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Wet Hot American Summer w/ Frank Garcia-Hejl · Everyone's A Critic

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Everyone's Critic.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: The show where a guest picks a movie rated below 40% on Rotten Tomatoes and tells us why critics got it wrong.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Yanis Cove, a formerly pretentious film school student.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: Ten years later sees the error of his ways.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: My guest today is comedian, writer, and actor Frank Garcia Hale.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: Hello.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: How's it going?
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, well, you know, as as you know.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_02: Uh uh, the world is uh an insane place, and uh yeah, I'm I'm grateful that I get to be on this podcast to talk about fun stuff.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a nice distraction from things going on right now, to be honest.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Other than that, how are you?
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh good.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just um, you know, I'm it's hard not to be like, okay, well, here's this other uh element uh to it.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I'm I'm luckily still teaching online and stuff, but uh and the bright side is I get to spend uh time with my my daughter and my wife, so that's good.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, spending time mostly just um you know uh uh editing podcasts and stuff too, so you know yeah, just trying to keep myself busy and educated.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so the movie that you've picked today, you wanted to choose to do wet, hot American summer.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so what made you pick this movie?
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, well, it I have uh a history with this movie, uh a very uh uh uh a long history with this movie.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I was a huge fan of The State, uh the sketch TV show on MTV uh back in the 90s when I was in junior high.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh when I did a uh uh one of the talent shows, I did one of the state sketches, uh Kevin Allison uh sketch called Chips.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I had to I had to change it, of course, to make it appropriate for school.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um but uh yeah, I I was always a big fan of them.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: And then uh when I was in high school, college, uh I guess that's around the time that Stella uh was a thing with uh Michael Show Walter, Michael Ian Black and David Wayne, and uh I was really into the shorts.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then when uh I was in college, my girlfriend at the time and I were over at a friend's place, and they were also fans of those things, and they said, Hey, we found out that there's this movie made by you know the guy from Stella and the States, uh, and it's gotten mostly people from the state, you know, uh, and mostly Stella.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: So like uh we let's watch it, let's watch it.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: And we're like, okay, great, yeah, cool.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: And uh from the moment it started, uh I was immediately like, okay, I'm I'm I'm on board with this.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_02: Uh everything about the sensibility, because if you like the state and you like Stella, um, this movie's like right there in your wheelhouse.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then later on, uh I just kind of became obsessed with the movie.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I owned it, I watched it a lot, and then eventually I was in a position.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_02: I used to host a radio show, uh a college radio show, and uh uh and I was hosting live comedy and music shows as well.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I reached out to uh Wet Hot American Summer at the time had a website, I think.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_02: And they were like, uh, here's some giveaways, you know, that you can give at uh if uh volunteer to to host midnight screenings and and give away uh autograph stuff and whatnot.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: And so I I volunteered and um they had a uh uh they had screenings of it at uh the Angelica Film Center in Dallas and Mockingbird Station.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I was uh I was uh they appointed me the host of that uh to give away all these prizes and stuff and to you know for people encourage people to dress up and whoever, you know, do trivia and sketches and all this stuff.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I really it's one of the most embarrassing memories because um people didn't want to do any of that at all.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and I made the mistake of starting to do that at midnight instead of before when people were coming in.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, people were like having to sit through me do 15 minutes of trying to do giveaways and sketches and songs and stuff.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I remember one time my friend, I try to rope my friend into helping me out, uh, Ben Meyercourt, he's an awesome musician, uh, and he was gonna do a song, and uh he I was like, Come on, Ben, come up and do a song, and he sunk in his seat and he like just shook his head, no, because he could just feel the audience being and eventually the audience was like, Shut the fuck up, played the movie, and I was like, but you don't want to win prizes and stuff, and they were like, No.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I did a good probably month of hosting those things.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, uh, and I was coming back home, you know.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I was living in Denton, Texas at the time, and driving to Dallas is like a 30 or 40 minute drive for me.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_02: So having to drive back at like two in the morning, you know, just feeling like shit, even though I love the movie and watch, you know, I've watched it so many times.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then on my radio show, I actually interviewed David Wayne.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, nice.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I did a uh interview with him and he said, because I I said, Oh, what what um what what advice do you have for uh uh aspiring comedians?
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I was asking for myself, yeah.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, uh either move to Chicago, New York, or LA because that's the only place you're gonna get good and uh be near industry for what you want to do.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh, and I was really discouraged by that, but then I was like, yeah, I guess he's right.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_02: And then uh it kind of encouraged me, in a way, David Wayne encouraged me to move to I was gonna move to Chicago, but then I ended up moving to New York to do UCB.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and I think him saying that kind of opened my eyes to be like, oh yeah, I guess I gotta do it.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_02: Because at the time YouTube and internet wasn't really that big.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um so it's like you couldn't really be exposed to the world as as as uh easily as you can now.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: What year are we talking about at this point?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: This is about 2002.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, like the internet existed, of course.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, very early days, though.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking when you said that, I was thinking about 2005, 2006, maybe like around when like just around when it's the the start of all that.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, very early days.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_02: 2002, 2003, yeah.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, nice.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's a nice history with that with the movie.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: How many times do you think you've seen it?
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: I I probably can predict um between first seeing it and then having to host those screenings and then just being a fan of it over the years.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: I I uh I mean easily over a hundred.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: Whoa.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_02: Easily, I don't think I've seen anything over.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: I I you know, when I was watching it last night, I was like, oh, I I don't know if I even have to re-watch this because I know every single line, I knew every single beat, and I knew exactly like yeah, it's it's it's funny though because I haven't seen it in probably four or five years.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I you know, I I rewatched it when the Netflix uh you know, did the series, but I watching it now, it's kind of interesting.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's still one of my favorite movies, but I can definitely see like, okay, there's some cracks here, you know, like where I'm like, okay.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: And maybe that comes with age or just experience, but there's some stuff that I'm like, okay, maybe not so much now, but um yeah, I but I still think it's it's uh I don't think it it's it's uh worthy of a under 40 score.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy how low it is though.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: I really surprised them.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's 36% with 73 uh reviews, which is just so low for it.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like there's so much to love within the movie that I wonder if it's because it was an indie film, it's uh because not many people are reviewing it, you know.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you get a lot of retrospective stuff from like A V Club or somewhere like that, but like at the time of its release, you know, 2001.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, which is a weird time to have it be released, and then also uh it's an independent release, and not that many critics are you know, so they're they're you they're aggregating the critic scores of that time and stuff, so it's like kind of that has a lot to do with it, I think.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean you say that, but there are some more recent reviews that are still rotten.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's like there's so a few that are from like 2014 and things like that that are just still rotten on them.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh those were the ones that surprise me more.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: I can more understand it like at of the time, that they maybe didn't get the humour of the at the time, and then like in retrospect it's funnier now, but to see the more the more modern reviews is quite interesting.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting, yeah.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_02: I guess I haven't looked at I've only seen like you know, retrospectives and stuff like that from the nerdy sites that we go to.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: Which is the ones where everyone loves all this stuff, so oh yeah, yeah, where it's a total comedy nerd culture where uh you know like you got your your vultures and your A V clubs and you know all that stuff.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I I also have a an interesting uh connection with this movie.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: I um Yeah, I would love to hear that.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: So in 2010, I worked at a summer camp.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um I applied to work at a summer camp, got flown out there, and then found out on flying out there that it was the summer camp that this was filmed at.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: And oh shit, the one in Pennsylvania?
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's the same camp.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it's still ex it was still exactly the same, all of the props were the same, nothing had changed whatsoever.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: Even like down to the plates they use in the movie, they're the still the same plates that they're using then.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: Holy crap.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it was crazy because it's like nearly ten years apart.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so I got to hear like loads of backstage stories, like behind the scenes stuff about it, and apparently like um originally David Wayne submitted a child a child-friendly version of the script, like a PG version of it, that had like nothing to do with what they had at all.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh and so and so they could get approval.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, then he got approval of it, they filmed it, and then the camp director found out and was furious, and so like we could not we weren't allowed to bring up the movie at the camp.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Which is so funny.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Holy crap.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's such a like shady That's definitely what you do to be like, oh yeah, like when you film at a restaurant or something, you're like, oh, we're totally gonna use the name and you know, we're gonna promote your restaurant, and millions of people are gonna see it's gonna go viral, and really, like, you know, only 20 people are gonna watch it, and you're not even gonna show the restaurant name.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: I asked um I asked David Wayne about it on Twitter like a few years later, and he said uh he's like, Yeah, we did that, but um like a few years down the line, once he saw like the the success of the film, he was fine with it.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't really care.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, but you were there in 2010.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: 2010, yeah.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: And that's you know, nine years after the fact.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: So he if he was still mad about it then, I don't think David Wayne was uh I don't know.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: Unless unless they brought more money to it because they I think they shot it at the same place for the the two Netflix shows.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: No, the Netflix ones they took to LA, I believe, and like recreated the set.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh really?
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so then yeah, I guess he still would have a chip on his shoulder.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they just recreated it all.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um and also like it's really interesting to see um the layout of the the camp in the film because um they film a lot on the girl the girls' side of the of the camp where all the girls' monks are and everything, and then they try and make that look like that's everyone's because it had the most space on that side, and then like the boys' camp, which is completely ignored like the entire film, you don't see it at all.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: And then you see them like going up a hill into some certain place, and you're like, that's not where it that leads to.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's always jarring, right, when you know a place where something gets filmed, or like I know like I lived in New York for you know a decade, and like when you see stuff that's supposed to take place in New York, especially sitcom stuff, and you're like, What?
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: Where is that?
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's really wild when you're walk walking on um you know, like some of the uh like the Warner Brothers sets or you know, like the the studio lots, and you're walking on their New York set, and you're like, oh yeah, this is where all that that junk is.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I guess you're more like exposed to it as well because you you're like in that industry yourself, so yeah, you see more of that sort of situation.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, barely, but yeah.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean definitely more than me.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just okay, yeah.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I would like to be in it more, but yeah.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: So uh actually we've already covered all those questions, so let's uh shall we talk about the movie itself then?
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, yeah.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh okay, so it opens with like a party around a campfire, um and then you see Amy Polar, and like at the time she she was on like Saturday Night Live at the time, wasn't she?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she had just joined the cast, like she was sort sort of a new cast member at that time because uh the UCB sketch show that ran on Comedy Central ended in '99 or two thousand, and after that she went to SNL.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, and I was I was a big fan of that TV show.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and I was uh across you know, when I was living in Texas, I was uh I was very aware of UCB, and I would visit the website and I knew about all the the shows and the teams and all that stuff, and so I was I was obsessed with it.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so when I saw Amy in the movie, that was the other thing too.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: As soon as I saw Amy, I was like, oh yeah, yeah, totally.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm way into this too.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's the other thing I wanted to ask, is like who uh I was I was just wondering who was big at the time because she's there with Bradley Cooper.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Bradley Cooper was not big, he was not known at the show.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: He was not big, yeah.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: It was his first movie.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: He was in the Stellar Shorts.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: I only knew Bradley Cooper from the Stellar Shorts.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know he was in the I haven't seen Stella or the State because we didn't get them here and I just haven't got round to like trying to source them out.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I've never seen that stuff.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you could probably find I mean you could find a lot of that stuff online, like on YouTube if you kind of search for it.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: But um on in Stella, he played a few parts, uh a few minor parts, but he played the devil in one of the shorts uh with Julie Bowen of Modern Family.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: If you watch those shorts, it's kind of insane because you look at all these actors who they knew from the New York scene.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: There was a weird thing in the New York uh the late like mid to late 90s, uh early aughts New York scene where comedians and theater actors and stuff like uh Sam Rockwell, you know, is in one of them.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: And uh there's so many try I'm trying to think of the other actors that are just like you're like, what?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: Why why how they associated?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: But they would, you know, go to um oh god, uh, where they used to host uh Invite Them Up.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I keep wanting to say the Rivoli, but that's Kids in the Hall, and that was in Canada in the 80s.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: But um Oh god, I wish I could remember the name of the venue.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but they they would do a show, they're they have a great comedy show called uh Invite Them Up.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that was really good.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um I wish I could remember because it was an Alphabet City, and when I moved to New York, they had uh I went to a few shows there and then they shut down.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh so that was sad.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, uh I think I think the biggest star at that time in that movie maybe was Paul Rudd.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it has to have been.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: And he I mean because he was he was in Romeo and Juliet and he was in Friends and he was in uh Clueless.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Clueless, yeah, right.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: So I think like as far as a star power goes, he was probably the oh Janine Garofalo.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah definitely now that I think about it, it was Janine Garofflo.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: And she's like almost David Hyde Pierce.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: I would yeah, David Hyde Pierce as well, yeah, defin I'd say him actually probably at the time.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I guess Chris Maloney was thinking about it too.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: I was he on uh was it Law and Order he's on, isn't it?
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: SVU.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was on SVU at the time.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: At the time uh because there's a scene where he it looks like he has a very patchy beard, it looks weird on him, and it's because he went back to filming SVU and they had to do a reshoot, and so they had to paste a beard on him.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, I think uh and also Molly Shannon, you know, she she was she had just got knocked off of SNL, so yeah.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, there's a lot of big there's actually a lot of big names in this like going into even before.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's some at least some comedy cred in there, yeah.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's definitely comedy credit.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: Elizabeth Banks wasn't as big as she is now, no, you know.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think yeah, I think it kind of started the comedy uh path for a lot of them as well.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um well, especially Elizabeth Banks.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um probably I'd say like I don't know, Bradley Cooper was not he didn't do a lot in the the next few years from what I remember.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was like Kitchen Confidential.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it was Yeah, a little bit later.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was uh maybe I don't know, I'm not that familiar with, but I do remember the show.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: And um Yeah, I think he started getting like bit parts and movies here and there, and that's when he started kind of taking off.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so actually I'm gonna explain the movie before we get into it.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'll just go over the Yeah, let's do it.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll do a run through of the plot.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: So it's basically just like um the final day at uh a summer camp in the 80s.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then it just shows the experiences of like what all the camp counsellors and some of the kids are going through on the lot on the final day, but it's just like in a very uh how do you sc how do you describe the comedy style of it?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's very um to me it felt like um my I mean it's very um absurdist, it's very um Yeah, I think it's it's to me, if you're familiar with the State or Stella, it the way that that was kind of described was like um uh for my generation, it was like um uh Stella was described as um the Marx brothers, you know, for you know, millennials.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Or, you know, like Generation X and Millennials.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: And uh for me, this movie felt like um kind of art our generations like uh National Lampoons back in its heyday, uh uh Zucker Brothers type of humor, airplane, you know, top secret, that type of stuff.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but the what I liked about the movie because at the time I was really into like uh Richard Linklater and you know Kevin Smith and like that kind of like the indie what they were at that time, you know.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: And to me, it combined all those elements of National Lampoon and uh and uh uh uh Zucker Brothers with the Linklater sensibility of kind of like, well, this movie doesn't really have a plot, but it's following uh a day, you know, so it's like it doesn't really need a plot.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, it's come it's combined, it's it's like adding the absurdist humor to it.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: That just it makes it much more interesting.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, completely silly, and it's very it's not a parody.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: No, that's what uh yeah.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people make that mistake saying, like, oh, it's a parody of 80s camp films, but it's like, no, it's more of like kind of Sean of the Dead is like an homage to zombie movies.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: This is more of an homage with absurd jokes, you know.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of hard.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's also like very much on its it's it has its own style.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think David Wayne has very much has his own style with his work that uh it's hard to like compare it to other things.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's very much distinct that gets uh it's it's been replicated a lot uh because it's influenced so many comedians, yeah, it's definitely comedians.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's influenced it a lot.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's definitely influenced me a lot.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, like it if you watch his work, you see a lot of patterns and stuff that come back.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like after Wet Hot American Summer, he did the 10, uh, which is not a great movie.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there's there's a few um uh bright spots in it, but for the most part it's it's pretty terrible.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um but they like uh but you even children's hospital, you know, like that humor lives very, very much in children's hospital and uh you know uh any of the other stuff he directs, you could just tell.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: He's always got these these certain jokes that he does over and over in them, too.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: The Jim Stancil stuff always appears, um uh The uh what are we doing, you know, uh make out scene.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there's so much.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: He always has like weird sound effects.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the glass breaking.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: There's so much glass breaking.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember watching the the commentary on this back in the day.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: They they have uh two types of commentary, or maybe three types of commentary on the DVD, and one of them is just uh fart soundtrack where it's just them making fart sounds through the whole movie.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, they're actually making them.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: They're not even just like it's not even just like a sound effect machine, it's that they're making them.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's them.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's them in the booth watching the movie and then just making fart sounds.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I watched it.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm not yeah, because you've seen it a hundred times, I'm not surprised that you've seen it that version as well.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that was one of those times.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I wouldn't be surprised if I watched it uh a few times trying to show friends.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: It would have been funnier if you like come into this today, like having seen that version last night and try to explain it.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: I I you know, I did the shitty thing as a young male who thought, like, oh, what you like is you know, uh defines you.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember like this was one of those movies that I would play for dates to see how they would react and be like, oh, if they like it, then they're cool.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, you dipshit, like who you know, like that's such a young 20s, like dumb thing that like every 20-year-old does.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: A 20-year-old male is just like, yeah, if you get this, then you can hang, and it's like, shut up.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: Watch Fight Club with me.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I ever did that, thankfully.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I've never seen that.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think now it would be like dudes being like, uh, oh wait, I I don't want to skip ahead too much because I'm gonna slam a popular movie, but yeah.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say Joker, but that's what I was gonna say.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's the one.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine, I'll slam it.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: I hate it.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: I hate it too.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: We can get into that later, but yeah.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so the movie itself, it's just like um What would you say is like who who would you say is like the key character in it?
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: I would probably say like Janica Ruffalo is like the lead if you had to pick someone.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: She is the even though she has like absurd moments and absurd jokes, I think she is the grounding factor of the movie.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: She is the voice of reason that doesn't fly off the rails too much.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: She can take part in the absurdity, but like she is the one grounded, glued character that people can at least, you know, uh latch on to without it being like what I mean, I I would say the kids too.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the k the kids play it very straight, you know.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's I think that's I think that uh its core is the heart of the movie, and then everybody else just gets to be as big as they want and just be completely unhinged, and uh I love it.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: So like um oh another thing, they're all playing like most of the most of the characters are playing like 16, 17-year-olds.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Teenagers.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're playing and they're in their like late 20s a lot.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: I loved it.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's so funny.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's a sensibility that uh, and I know David Wayne cites this a lot, but like one of my other favorite movies is The Jerk.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: And like that whole Steve Martin absurdist humor is definitely present in this, and uh them playing young, you know, like teenagers is funny, and they even kind of point to it in the scene where they're trying to uh schedule the 10 years from now.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, where he's like, Oh yeah, we'll be in our 20s, so there'll be no excuse, you know, we'll be in our early to mid-20s or whatever the line was.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Which ends up actually being a thing that they bring back when they come to the TV show because then it ends up happening.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I'll I think a lot of just because I had seen it so much and had to host those uh screenings.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: I remember the first time when I was like, wait, there's a post-credit scene to this movie where they Yeah, I didn't remember that post-credit scene.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: So when it came up when I was read-watching it the other day, I was like, wait, I'd I'd never seen this.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was the basis for the the Netflix show.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um and uh yeah, I I just remember my mind being blown, being like, Oh, that's so funny, that's so cool.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um Yeah.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, I thought the whole basis was there's a conversation like in the middle of the movie where they say let's let's free come back in ten years' time, and then there's one at the end where they are actually there's the end create scene where they are you see them at ten years time, but it's just like a very, very short scene.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just a joke about yeah, what they had talked about, just kind of a callback.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: But I I'd be interesting interested to go and look at the series now and see if they kind of matched that stuff, because I'm not sure if they did or not.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they they couldn't really match too much because of the fact of uh schedules and whatnot.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I know that was a big issue, and I think they call attention to that fact.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think they're they're not they don't try to hide it at all.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: I think they tried their best to recreate that scene and the the everybody in the cast, but then they really had to work around the fact that they only had so and so for this much time.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: So and you could tell, but they they they know it too and they address it.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: I just remember the whole the one with Bradley Cooper where he's just like wearing the ski mask the entire time or something like that.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: Which is clearly not him.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just a way to get around it.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's another gag that I always think is funny that they do in the movie is like the stand-in who's obviously not them, yeah.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, uh, which is a great joke in uh uh one of my favorite parody films, uh I'm gonna get you, sucker.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, when they throw them down the stairs.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, throw them down the stairs, and then uh also when um in the diner scene where she's fighting and it turns out to be a uh this older guy with a mustache who's the stand-in, uh, the stunt double.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's always funny to me.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so then again, like the movie itself is this kind of like it's just little moments that happen, and so it's kind of like we can just discuss the moments, I guess.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh do you have a favorite do you have a favorite moment from it?
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have a standout one?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh off the top of my head, I mean I just always loved the uh H.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: John Benjamin uh mixed vegetables, you know, the can.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: Truly insane.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: Any of the scenes with Gene were always good, but I think my favorite one, my wife pointed it out last night that um usually I'm always re- rewinding the scene as if uh with Andy in the mess hall, and he just dumps everything on the floor, and Beth says, uh, pick it up.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: And then he the way he just kind of seems so put out.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Paul Redd is so fucking funny.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, he's hilarious.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: And that was one of those movies where I was like, Oh, I'm in a hundred percent because of every little like nuanced thing that he does is just so good, and that scene itself is just so funny.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like his whole facial expression in the whole in the whole of the film, they're so funny.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: He's like so good at that.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's the facial expressions, the uh the way he delivers a line is just like always so perfect.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: There's one line in it, it's like um what is it he says?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you smell Oh no, you taste like um hamburger.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like you anymore.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he goes, You taste like a burger, I don't like you anymore.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that the way he delivers that is so funny.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: I remember when I first saw it, I laughed.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: We the first time I did see it with uh my girlfriend at the time, we uh we had to stop it multiple times and rewind because we were laughing so hard that we would miss the jokes after that, or we just have to be like, we we can't keep watching because we're like and that line I remember I laughed so so hard when I heard it because the way he delivers it and just it just surprised me.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_02: It was like from the start of the movie, too, when he says, Uh, I want you inside me, is like oh, you know, with uh Michael Showwalter's character, it's like uh Coop.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: It was like, What?
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: What is this?
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: It just felt so weird and funny to me.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: Michael Showwalter's character is so tragic in this, it's just so sad.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's such a like, but it's so funny because it uses that whole archetype and trope of the the underdog, you know, the nice guy, when really it's like he is a schmuck, you know.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like uh they never those in those movies that they always win or they somehow persevere, and it's like, no, we're not gonna give it to him.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: He's gonna lose at the end, he's gonna Yeah, let's just make it as uh realistic as possible, just being like, yeah, so what?
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_02: They're horny 16-year-olds, and like of course she's not ready for that type of relationship.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: She shouldn't have to be, yeah.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: Just go straight back to Paul Rudd.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean who wouldn't?
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um Paul Rudd is like initially he's his character is interested in uh so he's he's dating Katie.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um I can't remember her name in real life.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know her name?
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um um Margaret Moreau?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, what is uh something like Margaret She was in the uh Firestarter TV series.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh nice um Margaret Moreau, yeah.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: And then I can't remember Yeah.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so she he's taking ingrained, yeah.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: And you even know all their histories of everything else they've been in.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: Right, yeah, yeah.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: There was a time in my life I could be that obsessive about things.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: There was a time where I I had like the year of every movie memorized when someone would bring up a movie.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: Holy shit.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then now I'm just like slowly forgetting it over time.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I don't need that information.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know Arthur Meyer?
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: The uh Yeah, he uh he could if you to if you asked him uh if you said uh an SNL episode like a host or a musical guest, and you say what date did that air, he could tell you.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh well he has an encyclopedic knowledge of and I tested him on it because I'm a huge SNL fan too, and I uh every single time, right?
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, how?
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: And he's just like, yeah, when I was a kid I had that time to devote to it.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: So him being in like in that whole uh studio, like that environment, he's like right there now, isn't he?
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's not uh Fallon.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so he must be like loving loving life.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm sure he does I mean I'm sure he it's a very stressful job, but knowing Arthur and seeing some of his humor kind of come through on that show, I know that he's gotta uh feel like part of him is in hog heaven, you know, at that job.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: My first uh asket, he was the monologist for Oh yeah, yeah, and it that was so funny to watch yeah.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: Hit him and um uh it's funny because the association Pangea 3000 was the uh sketch group he had.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Seth Reese is one of the writers on um who was part of Pangea 3000, is uh a writer for uh Late Night with Seth Myers.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: Right and Dan Klein, who was also in that, was a writer and performer in the uh Wet Hot American Summer uh, you know, the the TV series on Netflix.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um and Zach Poitres too is uh a writer on Fallon as well.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: So um yeah.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's all connection.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: All connected man.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh did you did you ever try and like get it uh apart on uh the series or anything?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: I I I remember hearing about it and begging or trying my best to do because that first one came around um I can't remember what the the date was, the Netflix series.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: When was it 2015, I think.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: So that would be around the time that I was um I I had screen tested and I got very close to uh becoming a cast member on Saturday night.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, I've had this story.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and uh so I was some doors were opening up for me, and I believe I did I auditioned for a counselor and didn't get it, but I remember being very obsessive about being like, I gotta be a part of this somehow, and it just like you know, most of the stuff that I really want just didn't happen for me, uh, which is fine, you know, like that's fine because it's like whatever, you know, like it's nice to have the opportunity and to be in a position where you're like I was such a huge fan of the movie that I was able to be in a position that I could audition for it.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I guess like the the truth the truth of it is as well, is like they're they're mainly recasting the same people in it anyway.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: There's they're not gonna like take too many new characters to put into it.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: So there wasn't a lot going on there's some like fun additional characters and stuff, but yeah, it's it's definitely uh and the guy that they did get uh is really funny, and I can't remember his name.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um so what else is there with that we can talk about in the movie?
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Also, there's like some there's a whole subplot with something that's gonna crash to earth and we don't know what it is.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Skylab, right?
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, or sc yeah, yeah.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: Which is just like it's there to build the tension throughout the film.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: But it's just kind of a nidies reference.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like the entire time he's like okay, fine.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, why not?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: There has to be a threat.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we have to throw in this threat to give David Hyde Pierce an arc along with the romance angle, and to give the kids and Kevin Sussman's weird brother character some kind of um uh payoff.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's so absurd, but I love it because then it also gives more time to those kids, which I love.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh one of these different types of 80s nerds.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you have the one who's like dressed up like Mork, you know, from Mork and Mindy, and my favorite, the cure kid, because that was me.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um you know, the goth cure kid, uh and you know, the the the foreign exchange nerd and then the fashionista nerd and what's that the D kid.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the DD one especially.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like a lot of funny.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, I just it was charming uh having those kids.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: There were Spielberg.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like uh with the Molly Shannon arc too.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: One of the other things I think is funny in movies is when they make kids extremely wise.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh as they call it like the Spielberg effect, where kids are like way wiser than the adults.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and I always think that's funny too.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: And that arc, I know as uncomfortable as some people think it is, it's so absurd that it's like I don't see it as like um problematic or anything because it's just like it's just a dumb joke, you know?
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's very funny.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: And it just completely it's like it works well to play off of her her character who's just completely devastated and but Yeah, just completely unraveled, and then uh having somebody be there for her, and even the Judah Freelander coming in at the the end, you know, that moment of her standing up for herself and yeah.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then she's engaged to hit uh the the kid at the end.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: There's a really funny part uh when uh Beth uh when Janine Garofalo's character makes the jumbo shrimp oxymoron joke, yeah.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: David Hyde Pierce takes a moment to think about it and then he gets it and makes this face that, like, oh yeah, that's so funny that he has so many moments like that.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: I I was I wasn't a Frasier fan until later in life.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I never really appreciated his skill as an actor or comedic actor.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: And this was the first time I saw him in a light that it was like, man, he is so the precision of his delivery, and yeah, you know, from the moment that we see his character or introduced to his character when he after she says space the final frontier and the way he reacts to it is so funny.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then when she's like, Oh come on, and he's like, I said no, and he just screams so extreme.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's so good, but he's he's so good with like the physical and like the the timing of his delivery is just uh impeccable.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's so good.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think everyone is so well cast in this as well, and they're all they're all so suited for their roles.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, and there's a lot of like favorites too, like uh that David Wayne uses a lot, Zach Worth, you know, being one of them, uh Nina Hellman, who uh I knew uh she plays one of the counselors, um oh god, uh Nancy.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: She plays Nancy, uh the yeah, the nurse.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: And uh she played uh speaking of the state, you know, you know Carrie Kinney, uh Carrie Kinney Silver, who did Reno 911, and uh she was part of the state as well.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh she had a band uh with Nina Hellman called Cake Like, right?
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they were signed to um Vapor Records, which was um uh um Neil Young's uh label.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh wow, yeah, it was his record label.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_02: They put two albums out on that label, and then Rick O'Kasic produced one of their EPs.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: I loved that band.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh anybody listening to this, go to YouTube, look up Cake Like and uh the song Lorraine's Car, because David Wayne directed that music video.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, cool.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: And it's got um a lot of state people in it.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's got um uh oh man, I'm sorry, I'm I'm blanking right now.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um I can't believe I'm blanking on this.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he's so good.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he plays Victor in the movie.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Ken Marino.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um Ken Marino, yeah.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: Ken Marino's in it.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's got a lot of great people, but that band was so cool.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: There, if you liked uh bands like Sonic Youth or Girls Against Boys, like that's the kind of you know, or Jesus Lizard, stuff like that.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like a combination of those things.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: That is like a very uh deep cut.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: It feels like Yeah.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: I I figure there's gonna be like maybe one person listening to this who's like, yeah, yeah, that band.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: They played on Viva Variety, another state-related uh, you know, David Wayne.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Just get them to tweet you and then just like get I need more information about this, and then you can give them more.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'll just send you links, you know, just to kind of catch up on it.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: So uh who else is in the movie?
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: We got yeah, Ken, we haven't spoken about uh Ken Marino and um what's his name?
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: Joe Latrullio.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: Joe Latrullio, yeah.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like their whole dynamic is it's so funny.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: Is Joe Latrulio is very much the same sort of character here as he is in Brooklyn 9-9.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: I would say he has he has more authority in this movie.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he he is still weak, but then yet he still is able to have the upper hands, you know, by calling uh, you know, uh by uh shitting like Kim Marino's character.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: But in Brooklyn 9-9, he's just such a unique, weird uh weenie of a character.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's yeah, he's he's really great.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's a great actor.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and it was really cool to see him get to um because there was a couple of people from the state where you're like, they're so funny, but they just never found their their home.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_02: And that I guess that's true with a lot of great comedians where you're just like, ah, if they only had the right role or the right, you know, place to show off what they can do.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like that show was that for for Joe Latrulio for people to be like, Oh yeah, this dude's really funny.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: And Ken Marino kicked around for for for pilots and TV shows for years and years.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: And he did a lot of serious stuff too.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but man, he is so dependable.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: He's so good.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know, children's hospital, uh, medical police recently.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he's so funny.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's he's he's a really great actor.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: He's always funny and dependable.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: The other, yeah, the other two, really great.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: I just think he's like I don't know, he's so he always plays it in such a very he plays it in a weird he's always the weird but like not serious, but uh kind of playing it seriously.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um the um the Zucker Brothers type of delivery that I always loved where it's like said very straightforward, but then the what they're saying is the joke, you know, and it's the way the earnestness behind it really sells what's funny about it.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's the lesbian nods to it occasionally.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he nods to it occasionally, but I think overall it's like of that style of being like, I'm gonna kind of do this as earnestly as possible, but what I'm saying is so absurd.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, definitely.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's my favorite type of humor.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: His whole his whole uh storyline of like trying to uh so he's gotta take the kids out to uh the lake hours away.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, you don't even know how many it's like gonna take the whole day to get there.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: And he goes with Yeah, and that's another uh fun scene, another one of my favorite scenes of like the whole like chase scene afterwards, after he just randomly just wrecks the van and then having Joe Latrulio's character come after him chasing a by the way.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean the soundtrack's awesome too.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean I was um uh yeah, I I grew up on a lot of classic rock and like all that all.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: those uh those uh needle drops are amazing and him just jumping over the bale of hay and that being like the Jrudio's like oh he got away yeah and that's the kind of thing that just like it's right in my sweet spot right in that wheelhouse that I just love.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: And it's funny because watching this the move or the movie last night and kind of revisiting a lot of state and you know a lot of David Wayne stuff I'm just like oh yeah this definitely I wrote a I wrote a s uh a um a sample recently that is very uh heavily influenced by that kind of style.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh really?
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like oh I guess it it it permeated more than I remember you know I thought you know there's uh yeah there's also stuff with like uh there's weird stuff with the kids even like the the kid that's like doing the radio show and then you find out later down the line that it's not even plugged into anything.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and he won't take a shower.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah it also that that kid that poor kid they had that they ADR'd his voice with uh Sam Levine for Freaks and Geeks.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: I only realized that recently because I always saw Sam Levine like listed on the cast and I was like where is he in this yeah didn't realize he used the ADR voice for that kid.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: So weird there's just some great lines of stuff like you mean penis in vagina?
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_02: No I mean sex right right just yeah that's the other thing too because like with the uh uh distance you know from the release there there there are aspects of the movie where you're like oh is is this problematic is this you know like um you know the whole like gay sex scene it's like it's the first time you ever see kind of that done is like well is that the joke but then at the same time they're they're being kind of respectful in a way yeah I don't think it's played for loss I don't think it's actually played for loss um yeah I I I it it rides that line uh and then I think like that's stuff that I'm like oh yeah and then the fact that there are only two uh people of color in the movie uh one a camper and uh the other uh who's an Olympic runner playing capture the flag yeah you know and that's kind of one of those things where I I you know especially with the state you know like what eleven people in that group and not one person of color you know it's you know there there are aspects with separation that you're like I don't know how I feel about this in the lens of now but you know you can view it uh with the time period and being like okay I see I can appreciate it for what it was at that time and there is like a discussion to be had about like well what was it played for the laugh of that or was it actually kind of respectful so I'm probably not the one to have that conversation.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not the one to be like oh yeah no this is that or it's it's that you know but that's it I'll I'm not the one either so it just yeah I I don't think that I I'm not equipped to be the one who said like no it's totally respectful.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah fuck off.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I should take that back I don't know if it's respectful.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah no it's just I mean that's just my you know my prerogative yeah um yeah and then they they have like that secret wedding as well at one point.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah which is very interesting that that comes out of nowhere I thought yeah that that was uh yeah I I I love how yeah I just because they're playing the trope of that's again like they're playing the trope of the camp movies and then turning it on its head to be this beautiful ceremony so it's I love how it's just Coop there watching though.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: No one else is right yeah yeah except for uh Amy's character playing the flute yeah yeah no I mean it was like he's the two witnesses yeah just one camper there right yeah uh on the flip side there's a scene where um with uh Chris Maloney where he's just like talking about um going to Humper Fridge and and then uh yeah I I the Chris Maloney stuff is so funny to me because it's just like he's such um I I don't know if you saw the this other David Wayne movie called uh They came together.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: I love that yeah I it's it I love it too and uh he he is so funny in that as well yeah uh as the boss uh and it's so funny because I've heard multiple stories from people that he's not uh a very friendly person in real life or to work with or to serve uh at restaurants um yeah uh but man yeah his delivery everything about that character that he just he just goes for he just you could tell he's having a blast doing it yeah and I it makes me think like he would never while filming SVU um come back for a reshoot for that tiny movie if he didn't have fun doing it or come back for any of other David Wayne stuff yeah so it's like he obviously is having the time of his life and it shows you know and that whole subplot you know with just like you know accepting who you are and learning from the can of vegetables because from the can of vegetables which you find out in the the series how that happened with yeah it's John Benjamin being a can counselor who fell in radioactive I forgot what the he's someone who has gone to do so much since this as well but I think that it kind of kicked off his career as being like oh he's got a great voice because that in home movies you know um so good yeah it's just like yeah and now he's got like two of the previous two biggest cartoons of all time he's oh yeah Archer too yeah he's just so it's so just the way that the the the can is puppeted with that deep voice of his you know is just so funny.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah that is so that that too just made me I was like I remember f seeing it the first time and just throwing my hands up and just being like I can't I can't believe I yes I love I'm in love with this movie.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_02: Can of mixed vegetables is talking and it's got H.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_02: John Benjamin's voice.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm into it.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know who he was until this when I first saw it.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah there's a lot of people I didn't know because I saw it quite I wasn't into I wasn't I didn't have as much knowledge of the comedy scene at the time so I didn't know all these people.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah I think I knew like Amy Pollard maybe that's and Paul Rudd yeah yeah it's a it's a comedy nerd's kind of wet dream of all who's involved in this book.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_02: Even like the smallest cameos like Jake Fogel nest yeah you know uh in the car and it's like I was a big fan of Jake's um from Squirt TV on MTV when I was a kid who's like cool he gets to interview the beastie boys in his bedroom you know uh Matt Sharp from Weezer hates him you know like it's all this kind of like and I got to know Jake later um and uh yeah it it's it's one of those things where it's like yeah just like little things like that and like even with Judah Freelander coming in you know later there's all these like little co comedy cameos and drop-ins and yeah but there's also a thing with Judah Friedlander that you might you don't necessarily recognize him as well.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: He looks very different how at least I didn't I didn't originally I think I think I watched it around the time of 30 Rock first starting yeah and I didn't I don't remember not have that context I only recognized him from a Dave Matthews band video.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well I mean because I'm a huge I'm you know huge comedy and music fan and I don't even like the Dave Matthews band but I remember that video where he's hugging people so yeah interesting fact everyone at that summer camp was a big David Dave Matthews band fan they were just starstruck when he came in they all they all went to um they all went to some concert in the middle of like the camp and I was like I don't know who that is I'm not gonna go oh you mean you were you're being serious when I was no I'm being serious like when I was working there the the count the the counselors were all massive Dave Matthews band fans and they there was some concert at the time so they all like took time off to go see him.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_00: That checks out yep yep camp counselors love Dave Matthews band yeah okay so we're back and uh just to clear things up we we hope we were cut off at the end of last week uh when we were recording because uh Frank had a power cut and then yeah the neighborhood had a blackout uh so we were in the middle of a uh of our discussion and then all of a sudden bloop and it took about two hours for it to come back on so it's crazy here we are a week later at least you have power now.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah well I don't want to jinx it because you know yeah I can't believe how long that took though yeah it was crazy I don't think I've ever had one that long.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh when I lived in New York we had a couple uh because during the summertime especially with people running air conditioning units uh we'd get blackouts all the time um but luckily uh I mean only like a few times in my life have I experienced blackouts where we had to like uh cook or you know uh uh find other ways to uh keep food cool you know oh yeah I've never even had to think yeah yeah I guess we're quite lucky here yeah it's it's a real nightmare when that has that happens but it's uh as long as it's all good now um so uh let's pick up where we left off uh you you you mentioned you wanted to discuss one of the scenes in the film oh yeah I can't remember if I said this or not but one of my favorite films you know that stood out or one of my favorite scenes that uh stood out to me was when they go to the nurse's uh station and they're just destroying everything.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah uh it just feels so fun.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that scene you know I I think on the commentary they said they did three takes of it maybe um oh wow I I don't even know if they did that I I would be surprised if they did that many but uh yeah just them going through uh Janine Garofalo and Joe Latrullio just going through and screaming and just smashing everything it's so funny.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's weird that's that's the real nurses station as well and like um and so they they literally went through and like destroyed the actual nurses station it looks like holy crap.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean I'm sure they had breakaway stuff but I'm sure that they also that's probably one of the things that the the counselor the guy who runs it that you said he that was probably one of the things he wasn't privy to that was going to happen.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I can imagine he wasn't yeah because I don't I can't see him agreeing to that at all because like it looks it literally looks like they destroyed the whole place.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah but it's one of those absurdist moments that I just love about yeah the film and and about David Wayne's sense of humor too.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah yeah it's it's very similar to like that thing that other scene with Paul Rudd that we mentioned that uh where he like throws the trays on the floor is like tray of food it just stays on there for way too long.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah there are certain jokes like that where it's just like I mean that I think in comedy they say it's like the rule of 27 or whatever.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean this isn't the case for this scene but like you know something uh if you do it enough times repetition wise after 27 times it becomes funny again uh but I think like also just extending uh a scene for way past its life it it kind of like uh has adopts a little bit of that rule where it's just like this is still going and part of the what makes it funny is the fact of the length of it.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah um yeah I also like one thing he's really good at is like we talked about like the where they go into town right where um yeah and he says oh it's good to get out if only for an hour you know and they were did they did all that stuff in an hour and that's another thing that David Wayne does that I think is really funny of like with time there's a scene in the Stella TV show where he has to race to the airport uh David Wayne's character has to race to the airport and he's in a hurry but then he stops to get something to eat at a restaurant at a sit-down restaurant and he's like hurry hurry I I I'm in a hurry could you please you know and he's still like at a sit-down restaurant ordering a full meal uh while he's rushing to the airport.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah that kind of humor is so funny I don't know what it is but it's like something that something that really like works well about it and I I can't I've never been able to like work out what it is that like it's just silly.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think that for me I guess because I grew up with stuff like Three Stooges and just like slapstick stuff and I I think like absurd I really really love like the heady esoteric you know uh smart comedy but at the end of the day I'm gonna laugh at stuff like you know like recently like Angie Tri Angie Tribeca or um you know uh I'm trying to think of like you know or like when I was younger Strangers with candy and just kind of some of these like weirder absurd uh absurdist things that I I don't know just dumb and silly always makes me laugh yeah definitely so uh let's talk about uh in your opinion what makes it a good movie then so what makes it a good movie in my opinion is that uh it's it's the humor it's the it's the comedy of it um it's because at the time you weren't seeing a lot of comedies like this uh you know you were getting a lot of kind of romantic type of comedies or these kind of safe comedies or I guess even like Fairly brothers type of comedies which had slaps slapstick and um and uh you know silly aspects to them but like for me they were really hit or miss and I wasn't the biggest fan of some of the Faroughly brothers movies um and I think that for me it it was like kind of like in that era of um it was kind of in this peak of alternative comedy the alternative New York comedy scene and you know the stuff that was coming out of that and like even kind of adjacent to it the comedians of comedy you know Pat Noswalt and you know Maria Banford and uh Zach Alifanakis and a lot of that crew too um there's a certain sensibility that uh really came at the right time because not much comedy was like that then especially for like uh in a film in kind of like a uh in the um uh what's what am I looking for anyway like in film form you weren't seeing a lot of that especially mainstream film and this definitely wasn't a mainstream film but it influenced a lot what came after it absolutely and for me uh it influenced a whole generation of comedians and you know inspired a lot of comedians and it it it it shaped a sense of humor that uh you saw the shock waves over you know a a a decade and I think because of that it makes it a good movie.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_02: Is it perfect?
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_02: No but I think there's there's value to the movie because of its impact in the comedy scene yeah I I definitely agree with that I think it influenced so much that came after it.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah um do you do you think it influenced uh your style of comedy absolutely yeah 100% um I I see it a lot uh actually like I said I I'd written a sample recently that very much uses a lot of that kind of David Wayne uh sensibility and um yeah I I mean yeah absolutely I I would say yes yeah yeah that's the short answer yes yeah I mean yeah it's great I mean there there's like a it's an amalgamation of like of course with everything there's an amalgamation but I would say it it has a huge i it's a it's a big part of uh my sense of humor uh it it yeah it it it's undeniable that it's there well I think you mentioned didn't you mention that it uh it led to you uh kind of wanting to take that path to uh New York in the first place.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah because I was such a big fan of David Wayne's work uh when I had that radio show my college radio show and I reached out to interview some of my favorite musicians and comedians uh he was one of the people I really wanted to talk to and he made himself available and because of his advice uh it really did push me in the direction of moving to uh what was originally going to be Chicago to do Second City but then ended up being New York to do UCB um and if it wouldn't have been for that kind of fire I was kind of getting by and being lazy in Texas and kind of resting on my laurels of working and shipping and receiving and doing improv and sketch at um four-day weekend theater which is a fantastic theater but you can at that time you could only do so much there after you take the classes and you had to do your own independent thing.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_02: And when I was in the Dallas area Dallas Comedy House wasn't really a thing uh after I left a lot of uh Texas had an improv and you know uh sketch comedy house kind of boom especially in Austin yeah massively that didn't really Cold Town existed but like that's there really wasn't that outlet for me so I kind of it was just right time right you know right like just good timing that he gave that advice and I was like well I had nothing else to do once I graduate and the day I graduated I signed up for a UCB sketch class and I was like guess I gotta move now oh you went straight into sketch you didn't even go into improv first no because I felt I I foolishly thought like no I know improv I've been doing improv you know I I need more I want to be a sketchwriter I want to write sketch and I want to perform sketch and I went right into it Curtis Gwynn was my uh sketch 101 teacher and he was really he's like my papa bear from UCB he just really uh encouraged me and really um took me under his wing uh which I I don't know why maybe he saw something in me because like otherwise I mean I was pretty garbage uh you know uh sketch writer in 101 but I think he could see where I was coming from and the passion that I had for it and I think he tried to encourage that um but yeah I started with sketch and then uh some friends of mine from UCB that I made they're like hey sit in with our our improv group since you know uh improv and I totally just ate it and so I was like okay I should take the improv classes too so yeah that's amazing though that's yeah so uh um so let's talk about uh something else now let's go over uh do you have a movie that is um well reviewed and well loved by people that you consider to be a bad movie?
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I think Joker is a piece of shit plain and simple I really think it's one of the most overrated movies to come out in the last I don't know decade.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of overrated movies but that movie and I I I regret saying this but I saw it twice in theaters Oh wow yeah I saw it once um on my own and I I hated it then and then uh my wife wanted to see it so we saw it and I was like well I'll see what she thinks and she was like halfway through the movie she was like this is really bad I I want to read but I don't want to waste her money and especially when you have a kid you know it to it takes a lot to go out that's a lot to go out yeah um but yeah it's one of those things it just it's just uh Scorsese cosplay you know masked up as a smart movie that's just a bunch of stolen shots that's uh that I feel like I don't want to be too disparaging about you know if you like it that's fine that's fine I I understand because you know there are elements of it that I could see and some shots are beautiful but um the movie itself I have a problem with it with uh some of its uh message and politics and I don't like the representation of uh the Wayne family there's just like there's a lot of things that just as me just from me personally that I just really brush up against and the way that uh people get so defensive about if you talk when I when I tweeted about uh how much I hated it online I got a lot of um weird you can't say anything online about it yeah you get these really weird Reddit trolls that just kind of yeah come out from their swamp that just kind of uh these fucking assholes with no lives that That just uh like this shitty movie, and they're the same people who want, you know, who demanded the Snyder cut and love uh Batman versus Superman and all the and blame Josh Whedon for an impossible job that he couldn't, you know.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that's something I I don't want to get into that, but like Josh Whedon did the best he could with the turd burger he had, and he didn't have much time at all.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_02: And the fact that he gets blamed for how bad that movie is is not his fault.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, I agree with that.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh are you a big comic book fan then?
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I I recently got back into collecting maybe I don't know, what got me back into it was uh the Hickman run of uh X-Men, the the reboot, the Dawn of X series.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um when that happened, this was last summer, I I started going back to uh there's a really great comic book shop in Burbank called House of Secrets.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I was starting to frequent there every Wednesday uh before the pandemic.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but uh and I was starting to collect back getting back into the Batman.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_02: Tom King was doing a Batman run that wasn't very good and uh collecting some of the Superman stuff and then a bunch of I don't know, I just got back into it in a big bad way, and I had to scale back because I'm like, I can't afford to do this.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_00: Granted, it's only like expensive.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, granted, it was only like maybe 30 bucks or whatever a month, but still that's that's money I shouldn't be like really spending.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I just kind of whittled it down to the X titles, but then now there's like a ton of you know, X titles, and I I'm really behind on it, and I haven't really been collecting, even though House of Secrets is open again, sort of, they're doing like curbside pickup and only allowing so many people in the store.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um I haven't been really back to collect, and I don't know if I will just because of money and time.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, you can probably hear my toddler in the background here.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_00: You are a a grown man, you have a life.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you wouldn't think it if by me uh collecting comic books like that.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_02: Uh no, but I mean there's some really good stuff that's being written right now, and uh yeah, I mean that also helped kind of get the creative juices flowing.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_02: I can only consume comedy so much.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I know that's the other thing.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so like to read that stuff or sci-fi or drama, uh it really helps a lot because if you're just watching if you do comedy, you're just watching comedy, it starts to eat itself and it's not helpful whatsoever.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_02: And also you have to live a life in order to be inspired.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's something I try to tell my students is like, yes, see shows, but also go be a human in the real world.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's where you're gonna find your inspiration.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's what every UCB teacher has told me, actually.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's the only way you're gonna get good or get any kind of inspiration.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_00: I need I always find that I need to take a break every so often and just like go and live a life.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_00: When I first started, I went full in on it and it just exhausted me, and I just wasn't doing what I should be.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't like actually doing anything interesting in scenes, I was just live doing like repetitive stuff.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_02: So it becomes boring and it becomes repetitive, and you there's a lack of inspiration, and and I know that the state of comedy theaters these days is uh unknown, but some form of a stage or improv or sketch is gonna exist, so like you can put it aside for a bit so you can live your life and figure it out and then come back to it.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_02: I promise that you'll be better for it.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, this was great.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh thanks for coming back on as well.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm recording.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of course.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, I think uh I'm trying to think if there's anything else that I like missed.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think if you look at the thanks section, it's really interesting uh in the credits.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um you see a lot of familiar names from In the what section, sorry?
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_02: The thanks section at the end of the movie where they have the thank yous.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's like uh Stephen Colbert is in there, uh, although I think they misspell his name.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh uh Billy Kredup, uh uh Mark McKinney from Kids in the Hall, Mary Louise Parker, Leah Schreiber, uh, who ends up being in uh the 10, their next movie.
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Excuse me.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Frank Whaley, yeah, Thomas Lennon from you know the state, Reno 911, and then the UCD people.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_02: Mary Birdsong, who also ended up being in Reno 911.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_02: So it was like it was really interesting to see some of those names on there.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a lot of like some surprising names too that go back to what we talked about of like being like, oh, they know that person.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like it's it really feels like everyone was kind of everyone in that scene was connected there was a real scene around there at the time, and uh it felt like it I guess it was like it felt like the moment where it was fully growing and sparking there from that point, I guess.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it seems like to me.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh okay, so do you have any how can we find you?
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have any plugs that you want to make?
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_02: You can find me online.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm on Twitter at Frank Garcia Hale H-E-J-L.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I'm also on Instagram at Frank Garcia Hale H E J L.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I have a new movie that's out um called Scare Package that's going to be on or is on Shudder, the horror app.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, nice.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's called Scare Package.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, me and Noah Segan uh from Looper Knives Out.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we co-wrote and starred in this uh short uh that he directed for this horror comedy anthology film.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's really fun, it's really cool, and I'm glad that we we filmed it two years ago, so it's uh we're really relieved that it's seeing the light of day.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, and you can watch that on Shudder.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you can also check out I have two podcasts.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh one is a movie podcast that I host with Jeff Garlock, who's another UCB guy.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it's called The Canon Canon.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and we talk about the movies of Canon Films.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_02: If you're familiar with Canon Films, a lot of Chuck Norris uh stuff, um, uh a lot of like um Jean-Claude Van Damme.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh um, oh god, why am I blanking right now?
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um oh god, uh anyway, yeah.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but it you can find that online.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_02: Just look up the Canon Canon, and that second canon is with one in, as in movie canon.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then I host uh Smash and Pumpkins podcast with my buddy Pat O'Brien, who's another comedian uh called the Smashing Pump cast, and cast is spelled K-A-S-T.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, if you're into Smash and Pumpkins, you can check that out, or if you're into Canon films, you can check out the Canon Canon.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Charles Bronson, that's who I was thinking of.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, right.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of course.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was trying to think is Highland, is Highlander Canon.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that is.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, technically, it is Canon.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_02: And we cover that with Will Hines.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_02: If you're familiar with the improv sketch community, uh that episode is with Will Hines.
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  SPEAKER_02: We had a lot of fun guests uh guests come on to talk about these really uh incredible and uh really strange and wild movies from the Canon film group.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, cool.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely check those out.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_00: I've I've heard like a couple of bits and pieces from the Canon one, and it was it was a really interesting podcast.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_02: Very yeah.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a great documentary on Amazon called uh Electric Boogaloo, the story of Canon Films.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_02: I may I may have that uh a little bit wrong, the title, but uh if you look on there, it talks about the history of canon films and it's it's wild.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's really crazy.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, so electric uh electric boogaloo came uh uh what's it called?
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Breaking 2 came from that.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Canon as well.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well Electric Boogaloo, yeah, that was um one of the characters' names from uh from Breaking was uh Boogaloo, and that's what it's referring to.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_02: And then that became a what you call a snow clone, uh where people overuse it as a joke, uh, where it's just like you know, it they this too, Electric Boogaloo, and unfortunately recently uh some alt-right people had adopted it.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and yeah, it's fucking despicable and it's awful that they adopted the name and it's it's awful.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's awful.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so we're not happy about that at all.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_02: But the breaking movies themselves, uh you should watch them because they're they're so insane, but the breakdancing in it is amazing, and there's some really talented breakdancers in those movies, and it just it kind of like defies the logic of how a human body should move.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you know, the the 80s fret of stare, you know, is uh you know, turbo in the movie, and it's just it's it's awesome.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's really awesome.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_02: Amazing.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_02: And the soundtracks are great.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Have you covered them on the podcast yet?
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we covered one with uh Danielle Perez.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we covered the first break-in, and then eventually we'll be covering break-in two.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_00: I would definitely check those out then.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for coming on, Frank.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thanks for having me.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_02: I really appreciate it.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm glad I got to talk about this.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I wish uh I was disappointed that Kids in the Hall brain candy was just a little above the uh because that's another favorite cult classic of mine, but uh it was just a little too good uh for that 40%.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, what was it at?
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like 40, it was like 42 or something.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_00: It just missed slightly too high.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's something I've never seen as well, so I need to go and watch that.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, it's you know, the the the group itself does not love the movie.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh oh, interesting.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_02: Because it was in a very uh tumultuous, tumultuous time in the uh sketch group's history.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but that being said, uh fans like love it, and there's got so many great bits and characters, and yeah, it's it's really one of my favorite things, and I uh yeah, it's just uh it's a really funny movie, and it kind of fits into this whole thing of just being like it's a different kind of absurdist humor, and I I absolutely such a dark satire too that it's it's awesome.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, cool.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll try and check that out as well.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I think you give me like some amazing recommendations I've got.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, hopefully you and other listeners can kind of add all this stuff.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just kind of spouting off.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Just check out.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh like I said, some of it's a little dated, you know, as as most comedy does of a period.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_02: But you know.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for having me.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's the end of the podcast.
• 1:17:21
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• 1:17:26
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• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll see you next week for more movies that critics got roll.