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Christian VS Atheism Morality Debate, Evolution Design, Universe Age · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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None. The
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None. Suicidal and I had a noose on my
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neck. I was that waiting too long to
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repent from and that was too strong, buddy.
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Save me, gave me a new song. Worship.
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Worship. Wake, Wake, wake, wake.
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They wanted to try suicide. They wanted to die.
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No longer suicidal Jesus pulling from the pit, he got mercy on my
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life now by his grace. For your Lord.
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A hard speed to the city streets, we began to feel the
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fire. We rise like tall buildings as
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the chemicals that take us higher.
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The night's young and it's just begun as she puts her hand in
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mind. We want to chase the day.
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We want to dance to the light. The horse goes from the sky.
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Just two hearts running wild. Never sleep, never stop.
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Every show from the top we're going to we're going to be two
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hearts running wild as he always has.
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We're going to do it all again. We want to chase the day, all it
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gets to the night with us from the sky.
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Just two hearts running wild. Never sleep, never stop as we
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shot from the top. We're going to, we're going to
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be. We're going to.
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We're the. I will give you a new heart and
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put a new spirit within you. I will take a heart of stone out
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of your flesh and give you a heart of.
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Flesh. Way too many times I had to do
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it alone, gnashing my teeth like I was chewing the bone.
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Battle Suicide ideation. But who would have known she
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would give me a heart? Flesh instead of a stone?
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I had nothing to show besides a bucket of junk.
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I'm totally sick and being stuck in the phone.
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Yeah, every time I'm thinking I'm taking the right path, it
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takes me a couple minutes to making the right.
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Hello there everyone. Welcome to GOD TV Radio.
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I'm TTOR and to my left is none other than Brett Keene and down
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below we got Daniel, also known as Darwin to Jesus.
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Say hello everyone. Hey folks, what's going on?
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Make sure you check us out on the GOD TV Radio international
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radio station. Yeah.
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I was a little worried about the rumble stream for a second
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because like for the 1st 2 minutes of the stream it didn't
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show up as going live and I'm like no, I wanted to stream to
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rumble. Why aren't you showing up?
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But then after refreshing the page 20 times in 2 minutes it
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showed up. Miracle.
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Yeah, everything's working, Dan. Know what you got for us,
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brother? Oh, not too much.
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It's great to be here with you guys again.
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Hope you're doing well. Why do I have to be on the
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bottom though? That's what I don't understand.
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Well, if we get a fourth person, we'll have an even even square.
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I'm just kidding. I don't care.
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Yeah. So anyway, today is going to
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generally be an open mic, open discussion day, but we're going
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to start things off with a particular subject.
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As a matter of fact, we're going to be talking about a particular
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atheist. YouTube Paula Gia, who recently
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has been going on a little bit of AI, don't know what to call
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it, like a crusade on X, declaring his moral superiority
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to the God of the Bible and the Bible itself in terms of
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morality. And So what we're going to do is
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we're going to look at some of his recent postings on X, and
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we're going to compare it to something he said on X last year
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That makes everything he's doing lately seem kind of pointless
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and stupid. But the thing we'll start with
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is the thing he posted today, which is about the 10
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Commandments. But first I have to screen share
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this whole thing. So we're going to go ahead and
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put you here and can we see His 10 commandments post?
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Yep. All right, so we see here a
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picture of the 10 commandments, which the first four have to do
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with your relationship with God in the last six have to do with
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your relationship with other people.
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And so Paula Gia, in response to the picture, says let's talk for
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a minute about how pitiful the Bible's 10 commandments are as a
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basis for morality. And before we get any further
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into it, I just have to point out how weird it is that he has
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a problem with commandments like honor your father and mother,
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don't kill, AKA murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal
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things, don't bear false witness against others, don't covet
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other people's stuff. Oh, ah, so horrible.
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I mean, if you follow those six things, you might actually be a
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person people want to be around. Oh, it's awful.
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But that aside, it it's kind of weird because this is not the
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first time he's declared his moral superiority to the
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biblical worldview and its morality.
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We see here from a couple days ago.
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Almost a week ago, Paula Gia made this post on X where he
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said I have forgiven people who do not love me and who have not
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asked for forgiveness. In this way, I am better than
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Christian God. Now, there's multiple problems
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with this, and the main problem is that the world view he holds
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to doesn't have any objective moral values or standards
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outside the human mind by which to judge things is right or
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wrong. So when he says he's forgiving
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people, what's he forgiving them of?
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They haven't done anything wrong according to his world view.
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They've just done what they do or did, and there's nothing to
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forgive. Who's that guy responding to him
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right under that? Yeah, no, I mean, he's this
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Strapping Young Lad that has a picture of a Bible character as
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his avatar, and he's always posting stuff like that.
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I mean, I yeah, I couldn't tell you who he is.
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I couldn't tell you who he is, Daniel.
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Seems like somebody might I might want to follow.
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I know. You should follow that guy.
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Oh, wait a minute. You can't double follow.
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That's right. And by the way, the jingle's a
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fine movie. Oh, yes.
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Yeah, I noticed that too. But this is the same Paula Gia
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who last year said on October 14th, 2022 and an ex post
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reminder that if God doesn't exist, then neither does sin.
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Don't fall for guilt tactics. Of course.
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This is a completely logical post if atheism is true.
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Because if there is no God, then that means there's no objective
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moral standard outside the human race by which to judge things as
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right or wrong. And that also means you can't do
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anything wrong against God, which mean which is what a sin
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is. So therefore if God doesn't
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exist, then sin logically doesn't exist either.
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But part of that is that wrong? In any objective sense, doesn't
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exist. Right?
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In any objective sense, doesn't exist.
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You are. Can I ask you as well as Daniel
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sent me here real quick, do you guys find it odd that the
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atheist will admit on their Twitter feeds and on video that
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there is no sin, there's no right or wrongs?
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But if you then turned around and repeat exactly what they
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said back to them and say, well, you don't have any moral
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framework, but say, wait a minute, I'm a good person, I
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don't need the Bible. But wait a minute.
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You just said that you don't need no sin or right or wrong or
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any of these kind of things, but now you're saying that there's a
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right and a wrong and you're good.
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I mean, they, they can't seem to stay consistent.
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What do you think? They basically assume a moral
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standard that allegedly exists outside of their minds in order
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to condemn the Bible. But then, as soon as you're not
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talking about the Bible, that standard just disappears.
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Poof. Well, it's really strange to me
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because they will admit most of them, the ones that are moral
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anti realist, meaning that they're moral subjectivist.
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Which means that morality basically, there's no point even
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talking about it because it's all just opinion.
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These kinds of atheists will rail against the God of the
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Bible and talk about what a bad person he is.
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And then you say, well aren't you a moral subjectivist?
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So isn't all this just your opinion?
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And they will kind of admit that, yeah, it is ultimately my
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opinion. But at the same time, they seem
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to think that morality is still somehow more than their opinion.
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And it's like, well, you don't have any objective standard.
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You don't believe in an objective standard, right?
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And they'll say, that's right. And it's like, OK, so then
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morality is just based on your preferences, right?
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And they don't seem to understand that like what it
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that ultimately morality just boils down to their preferences.
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If what they're saying is true and, you know, they they have
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this idea that if they can believe in something, like if
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they decide what is good and bad, then they're a moral
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person. You know, you hear it all the
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time. And to me, it just cracks me up.
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But they'll say, well, you need a God to tell you what's good
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and bad. And I I decide for myself And
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it's like, oh, really? So what does that mean?
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Does that mean that, like if you decide that raping is good, then
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it's good? So anything that you decide is
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good is is good, is that? And you you call that moral
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because you decided for yourself that something was good.
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Like that's what makes it good. Are you kidding me?
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So they just, I would say 97% of atheists, maybe more, probably
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more, have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to
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moral issues. They don't understand what
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objective morality means. They don't understand what
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subjective morality means. They don't understand humans.
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Guillotine, which says you cannot derive not from an IS.
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They don't understand anything when it comes to this stuff.
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So. Yeah, my thoughts exactly.
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But what's even funnier about this tweet from last year the
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Paula Gia made is that he actually made a video response
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to my video about it and admitted that I was right in my
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analysis of his tweet. And I want to show you admitted
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him admitting that in my video from last year titled Paula Gia
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responds to my video with flawed argumentation and straw man
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fallacies. But it is at the one hour, 2
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minute and 29 second mark of this video where we see Paula
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Gia admit that I'm right. Unfortunately, Brother, I can't
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hear the audio on there. And let me try that again.
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All I got to do is screen. While you're getting that set up
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just real quick in case some folks out there don't know this,
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especially non believers. But if you were to look at
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Jesus's teachings, Jesus said love the Lord your God with all
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your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
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This is the first and greatest commandment and the 2nd is like
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this. Love your neighbor as yourself.
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If you do those two greatest commands that Jesus spoke about,
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then you actually fulfill all of the commandments from the Old
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Testament, in case some of the folks out there don't realize
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that. All right, I shared this tab
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specifically and it has the audio enabled, so you should be
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able to hear it. I'd be curious how.
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Tell me, Justin, how does this tweet prove that I just want to
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sin? How does this tweet, my apology
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approve that he doesn't want to be held accountable for his
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sins? That's what I That's what I want
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to know. That's what we're here for.
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Well, it's really quite simple. Sin is simply a crime that you
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commit against God. You can either commit the crime
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against God directly, or you can commit against him indirectly by
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committing a sin against another human being.
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Thank you Justin. That is amazing.
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You are the first Christian on this whole thing to properly
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define, at least in my old orthodox view, what sin is.
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Sin is a gap between how we behave and how we think and how
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God wants us to behave in things.
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You get it. That is what sin is.
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Perfect. Perfect.
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I couldn't have said it any better myself.
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Well done. But as Paula Gia points out, if
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God doesn't exist, then neither does.
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Because after all, if a sin is a crime, you commit against God.
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But if there's no God to commit a crime against, then obviously
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it's fictitious. It doesn't.
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Yeah, so he completely, completely agrees with the first
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part of my tweet. It's a simple if then statement.
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If there is no God then sin can't exist because the
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definition of sin is a grievance against God.
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That's just a a simple if then it could not be more true.
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It doesn't say that God doesn't exist.
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It said if God doesn't exist then this concept of sin is not
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real. It's much like saying this is
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probably a bad example, but will comics are on my mind still if
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there is no planet Krypton then there is no Superman.
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I think that's a fair statement right?
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And again, accepting the the DC Comics lore, I think it's fair
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to say that without the planet to come from, there can be no
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Superman. That's a that's a fair true
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statement to make the same as my tweet in lore.
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All good. So as we could see in that clip,
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go ahead and stop that. As much as I like watching
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myself talk, but but yes, as you can see, Paula Gia says My
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analysis of the connection between sin and God as I
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presented it earlier in this stream and in that video,
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perfectly accurate. But sin falls under the category
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of objective wrong if it exists. So for him to deny the existence
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of objective wrong or any kind of moral failure in any
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objective sense, but then to turn around and say, oh, but I'm
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more forgiving than the God of the Bible is, and oh, the
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biblical 10 commandments of the Old Testament are a pitiful
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basis for morality. I don't see how he can get off
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making any of those claims if he truly believes that God and sin,
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and therefore objective, wrong and right, don't exist.
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See, this is one of the reasons Daniel and TTR why I find
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atheists to be intellectually dishonest and corrupt in every
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kind of way and immoral. Let me explain why.
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Whenever I was a non believer and I was actually seeking the
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truth, if a Christian came along and corrected me on something
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and I knew that they were right and I was wrong, I didn't go try
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to find the weakest babes in Christ and then repeat the same
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question, seeing if I can cause them to fall so I could
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embarrass them publicly or do something like that.
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If I was corrected on something, I accepted what I was told I I
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admit I'm wrong and that questions never even brought up
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again. No and no kind of twist or no
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kind of fashion. That's game's over, but they
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keep doing it. How many times have you seen
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where you correct them and then they come back and just try to
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resell the package? Well, it happens to me all the
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time. You know, I I have multiple
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conversations with the same person.
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You know. And and it's not just one person
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but I'll explain something to them and I'll explain it to them
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very thoroughly and the very next day I'm having the same
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conversation with them explaining the same thing and
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it's like I just walked you through this yesterday.
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You know like do you why do you even want to talk about this if
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you're just not going to listen and it's I'm not even saying
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anything that's that difficult to understand.
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You know, like, you know, people don't understand that if
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morality is subjective, then it's nothing more than arbitrary
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opinion. And these guys will call
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themselves subjective moralist. And I tell them that that this
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is what it means and they want to argue with me.
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And it's like you have no idea what you're talking about.
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You just don't understand what you're talking about because
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either morality is real or it's not real.
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So if it's not real, then it's just opinion.
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That's what opinions are. They're not like real things,
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you know? It's not a real thing that like,
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you know, I like my coffee hot, you know, it's or I like my
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coffee without sugar, right. It's true that I like my coffee
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without sugar, but that doesn't mean that it's objectively good
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that coffee without sugar, you know, somehow like good or
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something, because I like it that way.
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It's just my preference, you know.
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So that's all subjective morality boils down to is just
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preference. And that's all that morality is.
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If it's not real, it's just boils down to preference.
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So there's a lot of conversations like this that I
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have with atheists and I am constantly repeating myself.
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But you know, it doesn't really bother me that much because I
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used to be the same way when I was an atheist.
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And I completely agree with you, Daniel.
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That has been my experience with atheists, evolutionists,
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religion skeptics on the Internet is that I will debunk
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something that they say so thoroughly that there's no way
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they can logically hold their position.
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And yet, when I returned the next day, the next week, the
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next month, the next year, they're still repeating that
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same old, tired, completely debunked argument.
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No matter how wrong it is, no matter how skillfully I or
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others refuted it, they just keep holding to that position.
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And the funniest part about the whole experience is that
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atheists and evolutionists will then turn around and claim that
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it's us Christians and Bible believers and creationists who
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do that. Oh well, they just continue to
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believe what they want to believe, no matter how much
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evidence is against it. No matter how skillfully we
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refute their arguments, they just continue to believe what
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they want to believe, which is the world view they currently
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hold. Well, touché.
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That's what you guys do. You know it's word.
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For that, it's called projection.
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You know, it's funny is I wanted to be an atheist, right?
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Like, being a Christian is not convenient to my lifestyle.
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I didn't want to give up my smoking or my drinking or my
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pornography. You know, I didn't want to do
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any of that. I wanted to keep living for
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myself. So it's funny that people think
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that, you know, like that normal people want to be Christians
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because nobody really wants to be a Christian.
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We want to be our own masters. We want to decide what is good.
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You know, being a Christian is totally counterintuitive to
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normal human psychology. And that's why everybody hates
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Christianity. That's not a Christian.
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Because Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life, you
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know? And he said there's no way to go
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into heaven except through me, you know, so.
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And and he said, like, you have to carry your cross daily.
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You got to live from me and nobody wants to do that.
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You know, I didn't want to do it, so that's.
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One of the yeah, and that's one of the things I find fascinating
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too, is that over time atheist evolutionists and religion
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skeptics will claim that the Bible and the biblical worldview
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is essentially just a mind control device that's used to
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control the minds of human beings, control the minds of the
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masses, the weak and the feeble minded, etcetera.
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Well, if that's the case, then it is failed miserably as a mind
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control device. I mean, if that's what it was,
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then how come the most of the world rejects it?
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How come it goes against human nature when it comes to
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morality? How come the things that human
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nature finds satisfying or desirable, the Bible condemns
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like it's almost a perfect opposite of human nature.
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And yet, you'd think that's something that's the opposite of
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human nature would be horrible to use as a mind control device,
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but apparently it's the best one that's ever been done, according
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to atheists. Well, and not only that, but I
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mean, you look at the Catholic Church, and I'm not trying to
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get into it with a bunch of Catholics right now, but the
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Catholic Church was obviously pretty corrupt at certain
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points, and they had the opportunity to make the Bible
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available to everybody. And you know, it's apparently
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this great mind control device. And the Catholic Church
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definitely was interested in power.
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So why didn't they mass produce the Bible?
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But they didn't mass produce the Bible.
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They kept it hidden, and they basically persecuted anybody
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that tried to make the Bible available to the masses.
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And the persecution against people that were trying to do
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that was insanely aggressive. So if anything appears that the
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Bible is not about power, not about control, I think the Bible
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is actually about freedom, freedom from our sin, and
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freedom to serve God. And there's a whole documentary
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Kirk Cameron did back in, I think, 2012.
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I forget what it's called, but basically it's a documentary
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about the English people over in England that tried to produce
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the Bible in English and how the church and the state were trying
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to stop them from doing so. So basically they fled to
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America, to the colonies to basically live how they wanted
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to and create their own versions of the Bible that they could
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understand. And like Daniel said, the church
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and the state back then tried really hard to keep people from
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having a Bible written in a language they could understand.
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Because at the time I think it was written in Latin.
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And that way only the priests and people who understood Latin
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could read the Bible and know what it was saying, whereas
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everyone else would have to just trust what the priests and the
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leaders were saying about the Bible.
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But once it was mass produced in English, suddenly every common
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peasant can read and understand the Bible.
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And yeah, for some reason they try to stop that from happening.
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Kind of reminds me of this image that I looked at recently.
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There was a picture of what appeared to be a parrot sitting
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on a stool in front of a microphone, basically
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representing an atheist comedian.
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And you can see in the image that he's got a list of things
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that he wants to dog. Christians aren't basically tell
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Christians they're bad all the way down the line.
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Well, while he starts to get into it, somebody heckles him in
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the audience and says, yeah, we're sinners, that's the reason
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why we need a Messiah. And then the parrot starts
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looking around, starts sweating, and realizes, well, goodness
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gracious, what else can I name off this list?
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This guy's already pretty much trampled me.
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Yeah. You have to send that to me.
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That sounds pretty funny. So before we end the topic of
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apology and move on to other things, he actually has like a
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whole series of sub tweets to that tweet about the 10
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commandments. Well, he tries to explain why
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each one is wrong, and I just felt it would be the honest
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thing for us to do to actually respond to those as well.
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So I'm putting it right back here on the screen and let's see
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what he has such a big problem about with the 10 Commandments.
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Can I say something real quick? Sure.
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So I've actually done two like 15 to 20 minute video responses.
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Topology is moral argument or his rebuttal quote UN quote to
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William Lane Craig's moral argument.
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And if anybody wants to, you know, see that or whatever, it's
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on my YouTube channel. But if you want to, like, have a
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response to the kind of stuff that Paul G is saying on the
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morality, I would definitely recommend you go and watch those
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videos. Well, be sure to let us know.
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Let the audience know what your YouTube channel is, the way they
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can find you. It's Darwin to Jesus.
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There you go folks, probably at Darwin to Jesus.
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Check it out. He's got quite a few different
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videos up there, and as you can see, he's got a good voice.
32:04
And he points out the What needs to be done?
32:07
Go ahead, TTR, what do we got? We got that tweet where the guy
32:11
actually claims that he's God. And before we get into that, let
32:15
me ask you something. Even if we all the religious
32:18
folks in the world were to concede that there is no God,
32:21
that we simply came together through magical rock formations
32:25
that crashed into each other in space, creating snot that
32:28
somehow became sentient. Let me ask you something even
32:32
without a God, what's wrong with those commandments?
32:36
Is it really pitiful, the idea that we shouldn't kill or lie or
32:39
cheat or do these things? I mean, what is it inherently,
32:43
Mr. Paul, if you're listening out there, you ever get around
32:46
to paying attention when you're not feeding your narcissism?
32:49
What is it about those commandments?
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Even if you didn't associate it with God, that is wrong or
32:55
pitiful? I think I know what he'd say.
32:59
So you said earlier, Brett, that Paula Gia made a tweet, some
33:04
point in the recent past, claiming to be God.
33:08
Wasn't recent. It was probably about a month
33:10
and a half ago. But he said something about
33:12
being more moral than God and most to be fair to Paul, a
33:18
majority of atheists. Although one minute out of the
33:21
one side of their mouth, they'll claim that there is no moral,
33:25
that they're all nihilist and you know, there's no real
33:27
purpose or meaning to the universe.
33:29
They'll then turn around and actually say they're better than
33:32
God. And it really doesn't seem like
33:35
they understand why it is that there's objective morality due
33:39
to the existence of a God. Because I've seen questions, and
33:42
I know Daniel probably has, where they say, well, even if
33:45
there is a God, then what does? Why does that mean that there's
33:49
objective morality? My simple response would be if
33:52
you've got a developer that has constructed a game or a
33:55
simulation, you would expect that the rules themselves would
33:58
be objective because he developed them within the game.
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Now if you guys have a more smacks your way of expressing
34:05
that, go for it. I'm trying to keep it simple for
34:08
our gamer Atheist out there. Right.
34:11
Well, it's a complicated issue because to me, to my mind, you
34:17
need six things that need to be accounted for in order for
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objective morality to even be possible.
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And I don't really think that atheism can account for any of
34:27
those six things. Those six things I might forget
34:31
one, but it would be objective values.
34:34
So you need to have objective, some something grounding, actual
34:38
goodness and vadnais. You know, like what makes
34:41
something good or what makes something bad?
34:43
Is love good? You know, it's hate bad.
34:46
So you need objective values. The next thing you need is
34:50
objective duties, which are like obligations, like you ought not
34:54
steal, you ought to take care of your family somehow.
34:59
You have to account for where these type of obligations would
35:04
be coming from, and they have to be authoritative and they have
35:07
to transcend all of human beings.
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So where's this obligator coming from?
35:12
Where are these obligations coming from?
35:14
Very much seems like it's coming from a person.
35:17
Because if obligations are just a brute fact, well, brute facts
35:21
don't have any authority and they can't really give
35:26
obligations, right? Like they're just there's just
35:29
this brute fact just floating in the ether somewhere.
35:33
Like, give me a break. It's very silly that I heard a a
35:37
serious atheist philosopher make trying to make this argument
35:41
today. And I'm just like, OK, dude,
35:43
like that's really you think my view is dumb?
35:46
Anyway, the next thing is an objective moral standard.
35:50
So you need something that can actually tell us if an action is
35:54
right or wrong. You know, in the same way that
35:57
we have a N reference. So what's the reference for?
36:02
Right and wrongness, right and wrong actions?
36:05
And then you also need free will, because if we don't have
36:08
free will, or if their free will doesn't exist, well, then we
36:11
can't be moral, because how can we be moral if we don't have any
36:16
choice about what we do? The whole idea of morality is
36:19
that we do have a choice. We can choose to do the right
36:23
thing or the wrong thing. If we're like rocks rolling down
36:26
a hill, well, we're not moral, we're just being, you know,
36:31
we're just being acted upon by outside forces, and there's no
36:36
moral dimension to anything that we're doing.
36:38
So you have to have free will and some capacity, and I think
36:42
atheism has a really difficult time accounting for that.
36:47
Also, you need a purpose, like actual, real, objective purpose.
36:53
And I can't remember the justification for that one, but
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it's in my argument that I have on my Twitter.
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And then the last one, I've said five.
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Oh yeah, the last one is human dignity.
37:05
So what is it about human beings that separates us from other
37:09
animals? Why is it wrong to kick a baby
37:12
on the sidewalk, but it's fine if you kick a rock or an Ant?
37:17
You know what gives us this somehow intrinsic value?
37:21
It's very difficult to see why humans would actually have more
37:25
value than trees or ants or rocks under atheism.
37:31
But under Christianity and other kinds of theism, it actually
37:36
makes perfect sense because we were made for something
37:39
different. We were made, you know, in the
37:42
image of God, right? So six things.
37:46
And I think it's just incredibly difficult for atheists to try to
37:49
account for those without God. Well said.
37:55
So apology is first post sub tweet about the 10 commandments.
37:59
Is this The first four are entirely about God's feelings of
38:04
insecurity and jealousy a person can fulfill Love your neighbor
38:09
as yourself. Without any of these.
38:11
No human can actually harm God. So these are a moral at best
38:15
even if he exists. What do you say in response to
38:19
his complaint about the 1st 4 Commandments, fellas?
38:23
Well, I, to keep it simple, We see in reality all the time,
38:29
ladies and gentlemen, where there's parents that go through
38:31
divorces, right? We see that there's other people
38:35
who are not associated or related to a child that a child
38:38
ends up calling father. Would it be wrong for a
38:41
biological father, a biological mother to say, please don't call
38:45
that person your mother or father, please do not look at
38:49
them the same way that you look at me.
38:51
Would that be wrong or amoral for a parent to say that because
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they want their child to actually see the value and their
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parenting and who they are as a person?
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Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, I understand it.
39:05
I mean, the way I think about it is pretty similar.
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The way I think about it is that I don't want my wife to look at
39:13
other men the way that she looks at me.
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You know why? Because I love her, right?
39:19
And I know that other men don't care about her the same way that
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I do. So it's best for her if she
39:26
doesn't look at other men the same way that she looks at me
39:29
because I'm the one that actually cares about her.
39:31
So God is giving these commandments for the good of us,
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you know, It's good for us to love God because he's the true
39:41
God. And it's not good for us to love
39:44
other gods that don't actually care about us and want us to end
39:47
up in hell, you know? So these commandments are for
39:51
our good. Well, let's take a look at some
39:55
of these other commandments that are right alongside it that he
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says associates with God's feelings.
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Now something that worship and he engraved an image.
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Well, if you look on the net real quick, ladies and
40:06
gentlemen, Google up the definition.
40:07
This is pretty much it gets into idol worship.
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He doesn't want you to idolize. How many times have we have you
40:14
heard that cliche remark? The worst thing I ever did was I
40:17
met my hero. Right.
40:20
You. When you idolize someone, you
40:22
give yourself false expectations.
40:24
You start saying, I don't want to be me anymore.
40:26
I want to be like this person. Maybe God's got other goals for
40:30
you and plans in your life. Then you got the don't say God's
40:34
name in vain. Well, if you run around calling
40:37
your mom names and your actual dad and all that, you're not
40:40
honoring them and you're basically, you're dishonoring
40:44
yourself in the process, are you not?
40:47
So I I don't see how any of this, even though it's
40:50
associated with God, is considered wrong or pitiful in
40:55
any kind of way. Right.
40:58
And then he says in regards to the I think it's the 5th
41:04
commandments, many parents are not worthy of honor.
41:08
Why isn't this commandment to treat honorable people with
41:11
honor? Or a step further to just treat
41:14
everyone with honor or a command to be an honorable parent.
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The Bible does say that 100 million times.
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It tells you to love everyone. Treat everyone as you want to be
41:25
treated. And if you love everyone and you
41:28
treat everybody the way you want to be treated, then you're not
41:30
going to rape them. You're not going to murder them.
41:32
You're not going to enslave them.
41:33
You're not going to do all these horrible things that atheists
41:36
like to associate with the only God they enjoy talking about,
41:40
which is the Christian Jewish deity.
41:43
Right. And that's what I thought too
41:44
when I saw this earlier today. I thought, you know, college.
41:47
He acclaims that he used to be not just a Christian, but the
41:50
kind of orthodox, Bible believing Christian that I am.
41:54
So for him to ask these kind of questions in relation to the 5th
41:59
commandment makes me think that he's never read the Bible.
42:03
Because if you've read the Bible in its entirety, then like Brett
42:06
said, the Bible commands you and all these other places to do all
42:10
of those things that he's talking about.
42:12
So why would it need to be specifically mentioned in the
42:15
5th commandment? And ladies and gentlemen, it
42:18
doesn't just like do a drive by or just a a quick little remark
42:23
about it. It's mentioned over hundreds of
42:27
thousands of times. The problem is that PPOR and Mr.
42:31
Daniel is that our atheist friends like to go to
42:34
evilbible.com and they like to grab a couple verses.
42:38
They all pretend because they can read or have the literacy to
42:41
read a couple verses that somehow they're a Bible scholar
42:44
and know what everything's going to say in it.
42:46
Yep. And then Paula Jesus says don't
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kill, kill, steal or lie. These are really the three
42:56
morally relevant ones, but need heavy caveats to be universal.
43:00
Act with empathy covers more. I like my life, I like my stuff.
43:05
I need to be told the truth to navigate best, so do that for
43:09
others. I do want to answer this kind of
43:12
Sunday School question that he did put forth, because in a way
43:17
it's kind of valid because some young people are there are young
43:20
people out there who are abused, who they are hurt by their own
43:24
family members, are people of authority.
43:27
Are you supposed to still honor them?
43:29
Well, the Bible says that if you make one of these little ones
43:32
stumble, what happens? TTOR What does God say to those
43:37
who cause the little people to stumble?
43:40
Jesus said it would be better for you if a millstone were tied
43:44
around your neck and you were tossed into the sea.
43:47
So obviously the parents and authority figures who dishonor
43:50
their children, they're going to pay dearly for that.
43:55
So there's your answer. Yeah, God, that little.
44:00
What's that magic word? Muslims call it all the say it
44:03
all the time context. Yeah, Daniel, you got anything
44:10
you want to say on it? I always try to make sure
44:12
everybody gets their opinion then.
44:16
Let's see. No, I think I pretty much agree
44:20
with the with what you're saying.
44:24
I mean, why he he's making the point.
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Why should? Oh yeah.
44:30
I mean, because he's saying like, empathy is better, right?
44:33
I don't understand this idea that empathy is somehow good.
44:39
Why? Why is empathy good, given
44:42
atheism? You know, like, why not?
44:45
Why not selfishness, You know, they just like, it's like
44:48
they're arbitrarily picking out some emotion, quote UN quote,
44:52
that they have and they're like, well, this is good, but why
44:55
empathy? Why not anger?
44:57
You know, Why not wrath? You could have picked like, why
45:00
not lust? Why is empathy good?
45:02
Who said right? Are you just telling me?
45:05
And that's what I thought too when I was thinking about it as
45:08
well. I was like why the heck should I
45:10
be empathetic? Your world views doesn't give me
45:13
any incentive to be empathetic. I.
45:15
Mean. If I want to be empathetic, yay.
45:18
If I want to be the opposite of that and just dunk on people all
45:21
day. If negativity and curse words
45:24
and whatnot. And and empathy doesn't even
45:28
mean that you're going to do the right thing, right?
45:30
Like, empathy is just an emotion, right?
45:33
So if I find out that you just lost somebody in your family,
45:40
let's say, so now I feel bad for you.
45:42
Well, that doesn't mean that I'm necessarily going to do anything
45:46
for you or do the right thing or anything like that.
45:50
It just means that I am able to relate to you.
45:55
It doesn't mean I'm going to do the right thing though, you
45:58
know, and somebody can have no empathy for someone else and act
46:02
and still, based on principle, do the right thing for them and
46:07
towards them. So empathy does not just mean
46:11
that you're going to be a good person.
46:14
All it means is you are able to put yourself in someone else's
46:17
shoes. And to me, when you talk about
46:20
empathy, all you're doing really is just virtue signalling and
46:23
it's incredibly empty and shallow.
46:26
It's like, OK, so you can feel you.
46:29
You you think that you know how other people feel when they feel
46:33
bad, and you think that that makes you like a good person
46:37
somehow. Like last time I checked, being
46:40
a good person, if such a thing exists, which it doesn't give an
46:44
atheism. But if it exists, it's not about
46:46
feelings. It's about doings.
46:48
It's about what you do. And obviously the Bible says
46:52
none of us are good. But, you know, if any of us
46:55
were, it would be about our actions.
46:57
You know, it's not like, oh, well, I meant to help my family,
47:01
but, you know, I I ended up not. But I really wanted to.
47:05
You know, I could tell that my wife was really struggling,
47:08
right? Like what?
47:10
Really silly. You know, I've, I've heard
47:14
atheists try to describe, especially in the moral
47:17
landscape, how I believe the morality developed through
47:21
tribalism and what benefited the group and all that, that if you
47:25
work with a team, then things somehow will be better in that
47:29
kind of route. But what if you are the leader
47:31
of a tribe and your tribe comes to you and says all the old
47:35
people, mentally ill people, they're a drag.
47:38
They're a drag on our on our resources, on our economy, our
47:42
currency, everything. So can we just take them out of
47:45
the woods and end them? You know, just kill them and
47:48
everything? That way we can benefit from
47:51
having extra resources and be able to continue on.
47:54
And everyone who's weak and who can't do a job, we kill them as
47:58
well. What's the problem there in the
48:00
atheist moral system? I ask you guys, what's your
48:03
thoughts? Well, I completely agree.
48:06
And I would take it one step further because a lot of
48:09
atheists do make this obvious philosophical mistake by talking
48:14
about the way that something happened to come to be.
48:18
So they're like, well, empathy is good because we evolved to
48:22
have empathy. And so it's a useful survival
48:25
straight trait. Sorry.
48:27
And it's like, OK, let's just grant that.
48:30
So if something is good because it enabled us to survive, if
48:34
that's what makes something good, well, first of all, why is
48:38
survival good? Like, you're just assuming that,
48:41
but let's just grant it. If we grant that survival is
48:44
good, right? Let's grant it.
48:47
Well then we could have evolved any number of ways, right?
48:52
We could have evolved like praying mantises where we mate
48:55
with our spouse and then we chop their head off and eat it,
48:58
right? Like, and that would be good.
49:00
If as long as that enabled us to survive, then that's a good
49:04
thing. And why?
49:07
Why wouldn't it be a good thing? You know, like all you're doing
49:10
really is you're just saying, well, it happened to be this
49:12
way, therefore it's good. And that's totally arbitrary.
49:15
It could have been any number of other ways, you know, where
49:18
empathy would be bad and selfishness would be good.
49:21
And not only that, but we are selfish.
49:24
Why is it that empathy is thought to be what got us here?
49:27
Why not our brutality? Because we've killed a lot of
49:31
other, you know, based on their way of thinking, we have been
49:34
responsible for a lot of other species going extinct, you know,
49:38
like the woolly mammoths and all these other animals.
49:41
Because we've been just completely brutal and savage.
49:45
So why isn't it our savagery? That's good.
49:47
Why is it our empathy? You know, And and even if you
49:51
just study human history, we've been a completely savage to each
49:55
other. Look at all the genocide, Look
49:57
at all the rape, the brutality. I mean, history is written with
50:00
blood. That's all you see, basically.
50:04
It's just, you know, murder and death and horrible atrocity
50:08
after horrible atrocity. So why can't we say that
50:12
savagery is what enabled us to survive and to get here?
50:16
And why isn't that good? Why is it empathy?
50:18
You know, like it's all just so silly to me.
50:21
You know, Daniel, what you just said is very biblical as well.
50:25
There's a perfect example of that.
50:27
Whenever Christ has been captured and the people, the
50:31
humans that are around, they get to make a vote.
50:34
Is it going to be the Messiah or is it going to be the murderer?
50:37
What did they choose? The murderer.
50:41
They give us Barabbas. There you go, very biblical.
50:45
Everything you just said, Mr. Daniel.
50:47
Very good. Go ahead there.
50:49
TTR, what you got for us? What kind of filth do you have
50:52
for us, Sir? Apologia, says next, don't
50:56
commit adultery as a blanket for have sex only with your opposite
51:01
gender. Spouse has nothing to do with
51:03
harm. Sexual morals are about consent
51:06
and relationship. Morals are about honoring
51:09
commitments which may or may not include monogamy.
51:13
And just like that, Paula Gia has opened the door for polygamy
51:17
and pedophilia. Golf Clap PU.
51:19
Paula Gia. Yeah, we've been seeing that in
51:22
society, haven't we, PPOR? They've been trying to normalize
51:25
pedophilia and they say that it doesn't harm anybody to love
51:29
someone of the other gender or have sex with them and all this.
51:33
But what do we keep seeing on these videos?
51:35
All these people with pink and green hair and polka dots all
51:38
over them, earrings and tattoos all over their face?
51:41
They don't look like they're very healthy folks.
51:44
Just. Just ignore the psychosis and
51:47
the disease and you know, the shortened life spans and yeah,
51:51
it's all great. Let me hit you with one last
51:53
thing. Even if you weren't even to
51:55
bring God or the Bible into the picture, it medically shows.
51:59
If you look at the medical bills on this, you will see that
52:02
people who do these kind of things, you know, bottom top
52:05
type of stuff. I don't want to go into
52:07
pornography and detail on this. It causes damage to your system,
52:11
ladies and gentlemen, and that has been proven.
52:14
So to sit there and say, well, there's no harm being done,
52:17
there is, there is harm. Yeah.
52:20
And they don't care. I mean, just look at the AIDS
52:23
epidemic, you know, And and even if I, I don't.
52:28
And A and a monkey pox outbreak from last summer.
52:31
Yeah. I mean, no matter how much
52:33
disease is going around in that community, no matter how bad it
52:37
is for them to live that lifestyle, these people will
52:42
support it. And they're going to support it
52:45
not because they care about these homosexuals, but because
52:50
the homosexuals are rebelling against God and they're
52:53
supporting it. That's what it boils down to,
52:55
you know, I realize, yeah, I mean, that's what it boils down
53:00
to. Like, seriously, if anybody here
53:02
is listening to this and you are not a Christian, I ask you how
53:07
bad could homosexuality be for homosexuals?
53:11
Like, how bad could it be for them to live that lifestyle
53:15
where you would be? Like, OK, we need to encourage
53:18
these people to stop living this lifestyle.
53:20
This is not healthy for them. How bad the answer is, There's
53:24
no amount of vadnais that it could be.
53:26
You're always going to support it.
53:28
And you're going to support it because God says it's an
53:31
abomination. And we all know that it is and
53:34
that's what it is. It's rebellion.
53:36
And that's why there's six colors on the gay pride flag and
53:40
not 7, because six is the number of man and it's all about man's
53:46
rebellion against God. And God is the number represents
53:50
the number 7, and that's how many colors are actually in a
53:52
rainbow is 7, not 6. So they changed the number to
53:56
six. Go count it.
53:58
They took one of the colors off and it's totally symbolic and
54:02
their movement. And they've also corrupted what
54:04
the rainbow actually means. Yeah, yeah, of course.
54:08
And and and they call their movement pride, Right?
54:11
Which is a sin. Pride is a sin.
54:14
What? Why should we be proud?
54:16
What do we have to be proud about?
54:18
You know everything that we have.
54:20
Honestly, whether you're a Christian or an atheist, nothing
54:24
you have is merited by what you've done ultimately.
54:29
Like, think about the things that you've done well.
54:32
Why were you able to do them? Because you happen to be
54:35
intelligent, or you happen to have two arms and two legs.
54:38
You didn't earn any of that stuff.
54:40
Whether you're an atheist or a theist, none of that stuff was
54:45
earned by you. So everything that we've done or
54:48
or everything that we have, it is not something that we should
54:52
be proud to have. It's something we should be
54:54
grateful to have either way. Either way, so Pride is just
55:00
completing as far as. Daniel, are you are you there
55:05
with us? Yeah, I'm here.
55:07
Can you hear me? Yeah, I mean.
55:08
Your avatar disappeared and then you move further down on the
55:11
screen. He must be tapping on the phone.
55:14
He's getting so into what he's saying, which is awesome and
55:17
stuff that he just his ears are going teen hitting the phone or
55:20
something. Let Let me let me ask you
55:22
something. Let me ask you something Daniel
55:24
and TTOR and Dark Wolf. I'd I'd be more than happy to
55:27
hear from you. But you were speaking about free
55:30
will and morality and its association.
55:33
And we know that atheists like to claim that religion is about
55:36
control. But isn't atheism, the
55:39
naturalism more control than religion?
55:41
Let me give you an example. With God, we can actually make
55:45
an argument for free will. But if you're an atheist, then
55:48
you have to naturally be determined.
55:51
You're basically chemical stimuli that is responding and
55:54
reacting to your environment. There is no getting going where
55:59
you want to on this. It's whatever your monkey
56:02
chemicals or your evolved juices tell you to do.
56:05
So in saying that, you don't have morality, you don't have
56:09
free will because you have nothing to be accountable to.
56:12
You're nothing but a bucket of Windex, basically an animated
56:15
hamburger. Do you see what I mean?
56:17
There is no free will. Therefore, that equals that you
56:21
are under complete control over the laws of the universe.
56:26
I think we, I think Brett just made a cartoon with those words.
56:30
But I want to add, I I do want to say, in case any serious
56:33
thinkers happen to be watching this, that I am under the
56:37
impression that there are different forms of naturalism,
56:42
and it is possible theoretically that there might be a type of
56:49
naturalism that could account for free will.
56:51
I'm not going to say it's impossible.
56:53
Personally, I I find that incredibly implausible.
56:58
But when we talk about naturalism in the normal sense,
57:02
where it's like everything is physical and there's no soul,
57:06
everything is just subject to the laws of physics and that's
57:11
it, then yeah, I completely agree with you, Brett.
57:14
There's no such thing as free will.
57:18
Everything that we do where we think we're making a choice is
57:22
ultimately a complete and total illusion, and morality is de
57:28
facto also completely illusory. We're not making moral
57:32
decisions. We're not making any decisions.
57:35
All of our decisions are predetermined by mindless
57:40
physical forces that are completely outside of our
57:44
control. There you go.
57:46
So who's being controlled? Ladies and gentlemen, that was
57:50
Daniel's chemicals reacting to my chemicals forming an
57:54
explosion. You know, it.
57:56
It just, I I do want to say it just goes to show how absolutely
58:00
counterintuitive atheism is. This is why I left atheism,
58:04
because it is so counterintuitive to our actual
58:08
experience. Because who lives their life and
58:10
thinks that they're not the ones at the wheel who feels like
58:14
they're just a passenger and they're not actually responsible
58:18
for anything that they do? You know, does anybody really,
58:21
truly believe that none of us are making decisions that we
58:25
can't go to the store and decide if we grab the Snickers bar or
58:29
the Milky Way? You know, like we are making
58:32
decisions, we are actually able to decide if we're going to do
58:36
the right thing or the wrong thing.
58:38
We experienced this. But atheism is so
58:40
counterintuitive that it leads to the absurdity of having to
58:45
deny what is obvious to our fundamental experience.
58:49
And if you have a worldview that ends up denying or undermining
58:54
your fundamental experience, well, then maybe you should deny
58:59
that world view. And that's what I did.
59:02
But yeah, it's funny that you bring up the counter
59:04
intuitiveness of atheism, because there are atheist people
59:08
in the past who have actually admitted that the world view
59:12
that they hold and that the apparatuses of investigation,
59:16
they create an academia to lead you to the conclusion of
59:20
atheistic evolution. They admit that all those
59:23
systems themselves are counterintuitive, they go
59:26
against common sense. But you have to hold to those
59:30
counterintuitive things, because otherwise you'll allow God to
59:33
get a foot in the door. And once he gets a foot in the
59:36
door, it's over. Yes, science is always going to
59:41
be good at being able to explain what something is and its
59:44
purpose and its process. But it'll never be able to
59:47
really do a good job of explaining why or why that thing
59:51
even exists, if that makes sense, ladies and gentlemen.
59:55
Yeah, and not only that, but a lot of people don't understand
59:59
that science is based on philosophical presuppositions
1:00:03
that really don't make sense within the atheist worldview.
1:00:06
For example, every time we sit down to quote, UN quote do
1:00:10
science, we are making huge assumptions about the way that
1:00:15
the world works. One of the most obvious is the
1:00:18
assumption that. Our reasoning is sound, right?
1:00:21
When we set up an experiment, we come up with a hypothesis and we
1:00:25
say if this happens, then it will mean that, right?
1:00:30
Well, all of that requires us to be reasoning correctly.
1:00:34
You can't set up a proper experiment if you're crazy,
1:00:37
right? And if you you know what I mean,
1:00:40
like you can't do it. So if if you have no sanity, you
1:00:44
can't set up a valid experiment. So we need to be reasoning
1:00:49
soundly in order to do science. But why would we think that we
1:00:53
had sound reasoning? Given the atheist worldview?
1:00:57
If atheism is true, then all of our reasoning is really just the
1:01:02
result of a mindless chemical reaction.
1:01:05
It's just atoms spinning around in our head, right?
1:01:08
Our brains were not made to reason correctly evolution.
1:01:13
You know if that's even true, right?
1:01:16
Because like, do you believe that it's true?
1:01:18
Well, is that belief just based on Adam spinning around your
1:01:21
head? But let's say evolution is true.
1:01:23
OK, well, evolution doesn't select for truth, it selects for
1:01:28
survival. And truth and survival are not
1:01:30
the same thing, right? You can believe false things,
1:01:35
and that might have some kind of evolutionary advantage.
1:01:39
People have come up with scenarios where that could be
1:01:41
the case. So evolution doesn't select for
1:01:45
believing in truth. It selects for just passing on
1:01:49
your genetics or for survival, you know?
1:01:52
So that's just one of the philosophical presuppositions
1:01:56
that undergirds all of science. And that philosophical
1:02:01
presupposition doesn't make sense in atheism.
1:02:04
But it does make perfect sense in theism, where we are made by
1:02:09
a God, and we're made in order to interact with the world and
1:02:12
to reason soundly and to know God's will and to be caretakers
1:02:18
of his creation, right? We're supposed to be stewards of
1:02:22
the world that He gave us. So if God made a world for us
1:02:27
where we're supposed to govern, of course we would need to have
1:02:30
sound reasoning. So it makes perfect sense that
1:02:32
we would have sound reasoning given a given theism, but makes
1:02:37
no sense that we would have it given atheism.
1:02:39
And and that's just one of them. There's like five or six that at
1:02:43
least five or six that are presuppositions and they don't
1:02:49
make sense given atheism. So when atheists talk about
1:02:52
science, they know nothing about philosophy of science, which is
1:02:55
what I'm talking about. They know nothing really about
1:03:00
the what undergirds science and and it's just crazy to me how
1:03:03
ignorant they are about stuff like this.
1:03:05
Right. And Speaking of undergirding
1:03:07
science, the other thing that atheism does, that is on the
1:03:11
level of what you were just talking about, is that atheism
1:03:14
denies the law of cause and effect, which is the fundamental
1:03:18
truth of the scientific method and science itself.
1:03:23
Basically, the effect, it cannot be greater than its cause.
1:03:27
The cause must be equal to or greater than the effect in order
1:03:31
for the effect to come about. And in the biblical world view,
1:03:35
this is perfect because you have an all powerful God who knows
1:03:38
everything and he's present everywhere.
1:03:41
He makes reality and everything in it.
1:03:43
This entire reality and you and me being in it, it's all in
1:03:47
effect with an adequate cause. But an atheism, you have an
1:03:52
effect without a cause at all, and because there's no 'cause at
1:03:56
all, that means the effect is way greater than the cause.
1:04:00
Atheism literally has everything coming from nothing, with no
1:04:04
intelligent intervention whatsoever, which completely
1:04:07
violates the law of cause and effect, which undermines all of
1:04:11
science. Well, what would you?
1:04:13
I mean, if we see a lot of atheists who make this claim
1:04:17
that Christians and people who believe in God, they don't make
1:04:20
good scientists because they already have like this set idea
1:04:23
of what they think is going on out there.
1:04:26
But think about this for a minute.
1:04:27
Would you rather get your information or try to work with
1:04:31
someone who's open minded enough to believe that there's more to
1:04:34
be found in the universe or someone who says, well, I don't
1:04:38
see it, so therefore it's not there, it doesn't exist.
1:04:42
I mean, why would a person who believes that they're fionite go
1:04:45
out into a void where they can't breathe and they can't do
1:04:49
anything to go looking for things that are simply not
1:04:52
there? It seems like you need somebody
1:04:54
with ambition and desire who already believes that there's a
1:04:57
goal to be met if they're going to do it in the 1st place.
1:05:01
Especially if it requires putting your life on the line.
1:05:05
Right. OK, so without any further ado,
1:05:12
we're almost done with his thread.
1:05:14
The next one, the next to last one, says this apology or rights
1:05:19
do not covet is a thought crime, only even worse.
1:05:22
We know that most self and societal improvement is driven
1:05:26
by wanting to better for ourselves, wanting better for
1:05:29
ourselves, which very much includes coveting.
1:05:33
These are terrible. Now, I want to say right off the
1:05:36
bat that never in my entire life has coveting ever been defined
1:05:42
as simply wanting better for yourself, either as an
1:05:45
individual or as a society. We have always understood
1:05:50
coveting those of us who grew up in church and Sunday school and
1:05:53
reading the Bible, we've always understood coveting as you
1:05:58
wanting what belongs to someone else.
1:06:01
It's nothing to do with wanting better for yourself.
1:06:04
It's literally wanting to take from others.
1:06:06
You know, like all the woke socialists running around in the
1:06:09
world today, they want to take everyone's stuff and not do any
1:06:12
work to better themselves. And usually a lot of people get
1:06:17
this idea, especially young folks.
1:06:19
We've heard it time and time again.
1:06:21
You think that the more money you have, the more material
1:06:24
things you have, the more happier you're going to be.
1:06:27
And that's the reason why a lot of people find themselves at
1:06:29
40-50 years old where they're miserable and alone because they
1:06:33
realize that money doesn't buy you love material.
1:06:36
Things don't get you what you're looking for.
1:06:38
And well, I think we get the bottom line on that.
1:06:42
You got anything to say about that, Daniel?
1:06:45
Well, yeah, It's just a very strange way of thinking about
1:06:52
what God is saying when he says don't covet.
1:06:55
It's just completely uncharitable as far as I can
1:06:58
tell. And like you shouldn't be
1:07:03
jealous about the people for what they have.
1:07:06
It's not a healthy way to be. It just leads to resentment, you
1:07:10
know, and and once again, you're not being grateful for what you
1:07:14
have. Anytime you're looking at
1:07:16
somebody else and being upset at what they have, you're not being
1:07:21
grateful for what you have. And when you're not grateful,
1:07:25
it's bad for you and it might be bad for that other person, you
1:07:28
know. That's kind of what happened to
1:07:31
Abel, isn't it? You know Cain killed him because
1:07:34
he was jealous, right? Yeah, he literally coveted what
1:07:37
he had, and so he killed him. That's not better.
1:07:39
That's not bettering yourself. Paula Gia.
1:07:42
Right. McFly.
1:07:44
You know, and I just find it terribly interesting how an
1:07:50
atheist who doesn't believe in God, quote UN quote, is going
1:07:53
through the 10 Commandments and saying how he's better than God.
1:07:57
You know, I mean, it kind of reminds me of something that a
1:08:00
snake said to a woman in the garden.
1:08:02
You know, she said ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil.
1:08:05
Well, Paula, Jesus sure seems to think that he knows even better
1:08:08
than God what good and evil is. You know, and.
1:08:11
Even though he has to completely misrepresent what things like
1:08:14
coveting actually mean in relation in the into the Bible
1:08:18
in order to do it. There is.
1:08:21
There is also the thing that coveting something can also lead
1:08:25
you to try to steal it, so it would break another commandment
1:08:29
that way. Yeah, absolutely.
1:08:32
I mean, it really is something that is very fundamental to
1:08:37
human beings. We want of it.
1:08:40
We want to have what other people have.
1:08:42
And it's so unhealthy, you know, sometimes, well, maybe I'll just
1:08:48
say I know somebody that you know, can easily fall into that.
1:08:52
And I I try to talk to them, you know, and and get them to stop
1:09:00
because and and luckily they listened to me.
1:09:02
But yeah, it's luckily I don't covet hardly at all.
1:09:07
I have my own sins and my own struggles and that's not one of
1:09:11
them. But it's just an incredibly
1:09:12
unhealthy thing for us to do and it's very, very easy to look at
1:09:16
somebody else and want what they have, but it's just not good.
1:09:20
So I I think it's wonderful that it's on the 10 commandments.
1:09:24
It speaks to the wisdom of God to me.
1:09:27
It's not just coveting some things and all that.
1:09:30
Covet could actually be from a person to a person.
1:09:33
I'll give you an example of something Daniel, earlier today
1:09:36
you tweeted out. You said something to the effect
1:09:39
that when you watch movies you see that there's a certain
1:09:42
representation that homosexuals get on in there.
1:09:45
And you asked the question basically from what I got from
1:09:48
it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but how
1:09:50
come they don't ever represent them as villains or evil or or?
1:09:53
This trend of people is a certain way and one of the
1:09:56
images I put up was a Buffalo Bill.
1:09:59
Are you familiar with Buffalo Bill TTR?
1:10:03
No, I'm. Not I am.
1:10:04
It's from Silence of the Lambs. Pretty good movie, that'd be
1:10:06
why. So Buffalo.
1:10:09
Buffalo Bill, just a quick summary.
1:10:11
He was a a serial killer who basically wanted to be a woman.
1:10:16
He was a guy who wanted to be a woman, and it wasn't enough for
1:10:19
him to go get surgery and do all this transition stuff that these
1:10:22
other folks do. He literally went out and he
1:10:25
grabbed women and then peeled their skin off and wanted to use
1:10:28
it as a coat, his skin to become a woman.
1:10:31
So they're in that kind of form. That's kind of a sadistic, sick
1:10:34
way of coveting right there. Yeah, that's pretty sick.
1:10:39
I don't know if you saw my response to Daniel's tweet that
1:10:42
you're referring to, but I actually thought of another
1:10:44
movie right off the bat, the 2015 Liam Neeson mystery
1:10:49
thriller Walk Among the Tombstones, where basically he's
1:10:53
a Private Eye who's hired by drug dealers to go after these
1:10:57
two sadistic killers that used to be part of the DEA.
1:11:01
And one of the killers is hinted very strongly at not just being
1:11:06
homosexual, but also being in a relationship with his criminal
1:11:10
partner. And of course, you look at the
1:11:12
two guys throughout the movie, they're brutally torturing and
1:11:15
murdering and killing people and like the most brutal, grotesque
1:11:19
ways possible. So that movie, even though it
1:11:22
didn't set out to do it intentionally, did portray
1:11:25
homosexuals in a very negative light.
1:11:29
A lot of people don't like to talk about this, and I don't
1:11:32
want to get too far away from the topics that we originally
1:11:35
aren't, but Daniel as well. TTR Have you guys ever heard of
1:11:40
autogenophilia before? I have not, no.
1:11:46
It's a It's a strange mental illness that was diagnosed in
1:11:50
the last century and for some reason it hasn't found itself in
1:11:54
the discussion or debate on transgenders.
1:11:56
But what the mental illness instills is that men who get
1:12:01
sexually off by the idea of themselves being a woman, they
1:12:05
will get a sexually attracted. And a lot of them have been
1:12:08
known to have a pattern of being interested in children and will
1:12:11
try to do whatever they can to put themselves in a position
1:12:14
where they can basically take advantage of women and children.
1:12:18
Example like recently somebody assaulted a three-year old baby
1:12:22
inside of a bathroom while pretending to be a woman.
1:12:28
Great. Unbelievable.
1:12:30
It's probably just going to be happening in all the more.
1:12:33
But yeah, that doesn't make sense though, Brett, because
1:12:35
that kind of fits some of the profiles of people we've been
1:12:38
hearing about in the news that are part of the trans community.
1:12:42
Autogenitilia, you can look it up.
1:12:45
It's about 100 year old diagnosis and stuff that's been
1:12:48
known for a long time and people like this.
1:12:50
Usually the proper way to deal with them was medication therapy
1:12:55
as well as asylums. But we don't do that anymore.
1:12:58
Now we just let people run around on the street naked with
1:13:01
feathers hanging out of their bottom.
1:13:02
And we clap the whole time for it.
1:13:04
Bravo. Way to be true to yourself, Sir.
1:13:08
Ma'am, Whatever you are. Do you guys mind if I elaborate
1:13:11
a little bit on that tweet I sent out?
1:13:13
Of course, that's what you're in here, Daniel.
1:13:15
We love hearing you well. You know, I I didn't say
1:13:19
everything that I wanted to in the tweet, 'cause I wanted to
1:13:22
hear what other people thought first.
1:13:24
But since I'm in here, I did kind of want to share my my
1:13:29
thoughts in general about it, so.
1:13:32
So I don't, although there are some cases where homosexuals are
1:13:39
represented as the villain, I think it's incredibly rare.
1:13:42
I mean, if you actually look at how often it happens versus how
1:13:46
often they're represented in a positive light, I think it's
1:13:49
overwhelming. Like probably 98 to 99.5% of the
1:13:55
time. They're represented in a very,
1:13:57
very positive light where they're funny or charming or
1:14:01
charismatic or sympathetic, you know, with pretty much no flaws
1:14:06
whatsoever. You know, it's just like, over.
1:14:10
So wonderful. Yes.
1:14:12
And what I'm trying to get people to see is why that's
1:14:17
happening. And the reason why it's
1:14:19
happening is because this stuff works.
1:14:21
When you, when you do this, when you constantly portray a certain
1:14:26
group of people in a certain way, it changes public
1:14:30
perception And and it's incredibly successful at it.
1:14:34
And to give you an illustration of why this works, just think
1:14:38
about why you might not like bees.
1:14:41
OK, Why do people not like bees? Well, because bees sting, right?
1:14:46
If bees didn't sting you and didn't cause pain or have the
1:14:50
potential to, then people wouldn't mind bees.
1:14:53
They'd probably think they were irritating, like flies, maybe.
1:14:56
But you know, it wouldn't be the same type of feeling that we
1:15:00
have. So bees, The reason we don't
1:15:03
like bees is because of what they're associated with.
1:15:06
And have you guys heard of Pavlov's dog?
1:15:10
I have, but go ahead. So there was a scientist named
1:15:14
Pavlov. I don't know his full name,
1:15:16
maybe I should look that up. But anyway, he did this
1:15:19
experiment with his dogs where he would set their food out and
1:15:23
have them come eat it, and every time they would come to eat
1:15:27
their food he would ring a bell, OK?
1:15:30
And eventually after doing this for, I don't know, a few weeks
1:15:34
or a month or something, he would just ring the bell and
1:15:37
wouldn't give them food and they would start salivating.
1:15:40
Tell why did they start salivating?
1:15:43
Because the bell was ringing, because the dogs were
1:15:46
associating the bell with the food.
1:15:49
Do you see the association? So that caused the dogs to
1:15:53
salivate because he had built up that association.
1:15:56
So when you constantly are associating homosexuals with
1:16:03
being good people who are funny or sympathetic or you know have
1:16:08
like no flaws, If you're constantly doing that well then
1:16:11
how do normal Americans who are constantly seeing that start
1:16:16
associating homosexuals? Well, they start associating
1:16:19
homosexuals with being good people, right, and victims and
1:16:23
etcetera, etcetera. And that's what changed the
1:16:26
public perception was propaganda.
1:16:29
Because that's what we're ultimately talking about is
1:16:31
propaganda. You know, it's the same reason
1:16:33
why, if you want to sell a Whopper, put a very beautiful
1:16:37
woman in a bikini eating the Whopper, you know, you never
1:16:40
see, like an old grandma that's ugly with warts and hairs eating
1:16:45
a burger. Why?
1:16:46
Because they don't want their burger to be associated with,
1:16:49
like, death, right? They want their burger to be
1:16:52
associated with sex and vitality, right.
1:16:58
And. And it makes the burger seem
1:16:59
more appealing even though it's a burger either way.
1:17:02
Right. So they've basically changed the
1:17:06
way that he Americans in the West think about homosexuals by
1:17:11
doing this. And it's incredibly successful.
1:17:13
And I also, I also want to point out really quickly, how are
1:17:16
Christians typically portrayed in the media?
1:17:19
Are we portrayed as sympathetic? Are we portrayed as the good
1:17:22
guys? You know, like very often if
1:17:26
there's a Christian, we're either going to be portrayed as
1:17:29
an idiot or a fool or the bad guy.
1:17:33
Usually a villain. A villain.
1:17:35
Tap. Yeah, you know and why because
1:17:38
that's also part of the agenda and you know the agenda is anti
1:17:42
Christian always has been. So just I just wanted to say
1:17:49
that while I have, you know, some some time or whatnot, just
1:17:54
be aware that everything that you watch, whatever you watch is
1:17:58
edited and scripted by people who have agendas and the agenda
1:18:04
is not pro Christian, it's anti Christian.
1:18:09
The TTOR and I, we've talked about many of those kind of race
1:18:13
swapping and all these different issues that we've seen in movies
1:18:16
and all that. Just recently, Netflix got in
1:18:19
serious trouble because there were some investigators and
1:18:23
governors who had been involved in basically doing a raid and
1:18:27
they found tons of fentanyl. You know, that drug that's
1:18:30
coming over into our country? Well, they end up making a
1:18:33
Netflix movie about it, Daniel. And what they did was they race
1:18:37
swapped the lawyers. This is a true, this is supposed
1:18:40
to be based on a true story. And they swapped everybody out
1:18:44
with diversity. You got your Latinos obviously,
1:18:47
and the big time lawyer involved in it now became an old white
1:18:51
man to a lush black woman. Now I I don't have any problem
1:18:55
with races and movies and all that.
1:18:57
Some of my favorite people, Wesley Snipes, Denzel Washington
1:19:01
all this. But I do not like it when they
1:19:03
take a real story or a very epic, legendary, well grafted
1:19:09
hero or character, even in fiction, and replace them with
1:19:14
some nonsense. But I under we understand fully
1:19:17
what you're talking about Daniel.
1:19:18
They obviously are selling people like their products.
1:19:22
Yeah, I have some thoughts on that too, but I'll be quick.
1:19:26
I you know, I think it should go without saying it should be
1:19:30
pretty obvious at this point. It might be really obvious when
1:19:34
I say it, but diversity just means less white.
1:19:39
And I'm not like a Nazi or anything, but that's literally
1:19:44
what that actually means. You know, nobody says that
1:19:47
Africa needs to be more diverse and we need to add some more
1:19:50
white people there. Nobody says that the NBA needs
1:19:53
to be more diverse and we need more white people.
1:19:56
You know, diversity only goes One Direction.
1:19:58
It just means less white. It's inherently racist is what
1:20:03
it is. You know, nobody.
1:20:06
Nobody condemns the NBA for being vastly over representing
1:20:11
black people. Nobody and and and if anybody
1:20:14
started bringing that up, they would, it would be totally
1:20:18
politically incorrect. But it's fine to say that like
1:20:21
the NHL, you know, hockey, that they need more diversity because
1:20:25
diversity means less white. That's what it means, you know.
1:20:29
So it's just ridiculous. I don't like to talk about this
1:20:35
kind of stuff normally, but it should be called out because it
1:20:39
is racist, you know, and and I think all human beings have
1:20:44
intrinsic value and we shouldn't be all hung up on race in any
1:20:50
direction whatsoever. All human beings are created in
1:20:53
the image of God. You know what the problem with
1:20:56
that is, though? What's the problem with that
1:20:59
dark moon? It sounds like it was about
1:21:00
right to me, but go ahead, let's hear it.
1:21:03
Well, no, it's not a problem with what he said.
1:21:06
I mean, I'm just clarifying here that the problem with what he
1:21:08
said is that if a white person comes out and calls them out for
1:21:12
the stuff, they're perceived as being racist.
1:21:16
Yep, part of the. Social programming.
1:21:19
Yeah, exactly. That's for sure.
1:21:20
And and I think that if they could get away with it, they
1:21:24
wouldn't have white people in anything if they could just get
1:21:26
away with it. Well, that's what they're
1:21:28
basically moving towards right now.
1:21:32
You know, The thing is, is that I don't know if this makes
1:21:35
sense. I don't mind if someone decides
1:21:37
that they they want to make a movie about diversity.
1:21:40
If it's good, I'll watch it. If it's if it's just because
1:21:43
you're trying to push a political agenda or sell me a
1:21:46
product or you're trying to sell me on a certain group of people
1:21:50
that I ought to like or something like that.
1:21:52
And it's not really about a storyline or it's not going to
1:21:54
take me anywhere at the end of it.
1:21:56
Because folks, I get into movies and books for escapism or to
1:21:59
learn things and all that. Not to be like sermonized to or
1:22:04
are politically called you bad orange man, yadda yadda yadda
1:22:07
kind of nonsense. That's exactly my time.
1:22:10
And they and I and I still to this day can't stand Kathleen
1:22:14
Kennedy for what she did to my Star Wars.
1:22:16
I'll never forgive her for that. May she got me.
1:22:18
Needed. Me.
1:22:18
Needed. I'm with you there, Brett.
1:22:20
I'm with you. There.
1:22:24
But. Anyway, while we were all
1:22:26
having, while we were all having this lovely conversation, I was
1:22:30
dinking around on the admin side of quarter and we got a new
1:22:34
user. Would you guys like to see you
1:22:37
just joined quarter? I would.
1:22:40
Bill Clinton. No mush mouth Joe, this guy who
1:22:45
has over 3300 Subs to his YouTube channel.
1:22:51
Well, good deal. Welcome to the his house.
1:22:53
There much mouth. Yeah, he was in my comments
1:22:58
section yesterday day before asking about quarter, and I told
1:23:02
him that yeah, he could probably back up all his videos within a
1:23:06
few hours if he really got at it.
1:23:09
You know, I I got to be honest with you, I don't understand why
1:23:13
people are so hard on Joe Biden. To me, he reminds me of the
1:23:17
movie Weekend at Bernie's. Have you ever heard of that
1:23:19
movie before? For those out there who haven't,
1:23:23
Weekend at Bernie's is about an old man who died in his chair
1:23:27
and a bunch of people, younger people come along and they
1:23:29
basically stuff him and they carry him around like he's still
1:23:33
alive so they can make choices for him and decisions and get
1:23:36
things done. That's how I see Joe Biden.
1:23:39
He's a he's a mumbling corpse that they carry around and then
1:23:43
they basically pass laws and claim he did it.
1:23:45
It's it's beautiful. Well, I think that there's some
1:23:50
truth to that, but I also think Joe Biden is a very, very bad
1:23:53
man. Oh yeah, before his senility and
1:23:56
his, you know. But pretty much everybody
1:24:00
before. His cognitive skills degraded.
1:24:02
He was a very bad man as. Oh yeah, I seen the clips.
1:24:06
He's horrific. He's terrible.
1:24:08
Do you see that clip on Twitter where he's talking about how old
1:24:12
crackheads need to be imprisoned and all that?
1:24:14
And they got on the other side, his son smoking crack, watching
1:24:17
the screen. Oh my goodness.
1:24:20
Oh yeah, his son. Just His son just crashed a
1:24:23
congressional hearing recently. I heard I could be wrong, but I
1:24:29
was reading some of the tweets and we all know the Internet is
1:24:32
the gospel, right? But they said that somebody,
1:24:35
they started showing images of his wee wee and then suddenly
1:24:38
that got him excited and he took off.
1:24:40
Is that true? Because I I didn't see any kind
1:24:43
of resources to back that up. I didn't either.
1:24:47
I just heard that he crashed the hearing over his contempt of
1:24:50
court charges, which he initially didn't show up for.
1:24:53
Then he showed up and then after a little bit, he stormed out.
1:24:56
You know what would have happened to Donald Trump?
1:24:59
Junior did that, right? They would have had a football
1:25:01
team waiting for him outside. He would have got tackled and
1:25:04
dragged a mile across the 19. 84 Denver Broncos would have got
1:25:08
him just like they got Cartman's mom in South Park.
1:25:14
Oh no, off the rails. Off the rails, Yeah, I was about
1:25:20
to say something that's going to take us even further off the
1:25:22
rails. I'll keep it to my side.
1:25:23
You've seen that. Have you seen that episode of
1:25:25
South Park, Daniel The 1:00 where they're trying to figure
1:25:27
out who Eric Cartman's dad is? I think I have.
1:25:32
Yeah, and one of the options is the entire 1984 Denver Broncos
1:25:36
team. Oh yeah, 'cause his mom was like
1:25:39
a total. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:25:44
Is it Mr. Garrison Is it the counselor?
1:25:47
Is it the entire 1984 Denver Broncos team?
1:25:51
So besides, Daniel is supposed to eat you are Besides all this,
1:25:55
to take it back a little bit, Besides all this pompous tweets
1:25:59
and and stupid videos that I've glanced at of Paul, what is his
1:26:05
story? Because every atheist has some
1:26:07
kind of testimony. Mom was mean to me.
1:26:10
Daddy had, you know, God written on his belt with me with it.
1:26:13
What is the story on this? What happened?
1:26:16
Well, the story that Paula Gia presents on his channel is that
1:26:20
he's a former Christian who used to be a die hard Young Earth
1:26:24
Creationist, until eventually he figured out through deep study
1:26:28
that Young Earth Creationism and the biblical worldview itself
1:26:32
were both lies. And then that started down the
1:26:34
path of becoming an atheist. And then eventually he broke up
1:26:40
or divorced his Christian wife and left her for the atheist
1:26:45
YouTube Shannon Qi don't know the exact timing of when they
1:26:49
all met and when all that stuff happened, you know, when he
1:26:52
ended the relationship with his first was wife and then hooked
1:26:56
up with Shannon. But yeah, it kind.
1:26:59
Of wondered if he had any. I wonder if he had any
1:27:02
scientific sources for his deep research.
1:27:09
Well, basically at some point he decided that the Bible was no
1:27:13
longer authoritative on origins, and that what human beings say
1:27:18
is. And so he went with the majority
1:27:22
opinion of the academic world on origins.
1:27:25
And then that led into him accepting what they say about
1:27:28
basically everything else in the Bible.
1:27:31
Let me let me ask you TTOR as well as Mr. Daniel, a question,
1:27:36
especially since Daniel's into morality stuff.
1:27:39
Are you still with us, Daniel? I want to make sure you're not
1:27:42
here. Now let's let's pretend for a
1:27:45
moment we put God on the outside of this whole conversation and
1:27:49
just go with what atheists are claiming.
1:27:52
Let's say that we started out as snot on a rock and we began to
1:27:55
evolve through this process. The question that I would have
1:27:59
is why didn't it that the parents didn't immediately kill
1:28:03
their offspring upon giving birth to them?
1:28:06
And what gave them what was instilled with them to even make
1:28:09
them interested in reproduction or having sex in the 1st place
1:28:14
to create the offspring? It seems to me that if all that
1:28:18
isn't already within the Organism, it's not going to have
1:28:22
any desire to produce. We put off pheromones and all
1:28:26
this, this chemicals allegedly in order to attract a mate.
1:28:31
To be able to do this. Where did that come from?
1:28:35
It's not like nature's around making love.
1:28:37
So where is this coming from? What variables in the
1:28:40
environment said, Oh my goodness, look at that little
1:28:43
Buffalo over there. You get what I'm saying?
1:28:46
But try not to be nasty here. Yeah, well, I don't know that
1:28:50
you're asking a moral question right now, but I do understand
1:28:55
that, you know, you're you're asking about the implications of
1:29:00
what would come from evolution if it were true.
1:29:04
And yeah, it's it's pretty silly.
1:29:07
I mean I I would just go all the way back to the beginning and
1:29:12
look at the chances of a single cell arriving or you know,
1:29:18
somehow coming together purely by chance.
1:29:21
I mean you got the DNA, you got the the little thing that zips
1:29:26
up and down the DNA and reads it and then tells the amino acids
1:29:32
how to form correctly. And both of those are like
1:29:35
irreducibly complex. You need both of those at the
1:29:38
same time, you know and you need the amino acids to just be there
1:29:42
ready. Plus, you need a cell membrane
1:29:46
and all this stuff just has to come together at the exact right
1:29:49
time and you know, somehow it's insane.
1:29:54
And and when you actually study like cell membranes, they're
1:29:57
incredibly complex because they have to, they have to eject
1:30:02
certain things out of the cell, like waste.
1:30:04
They've got to get rid of that, otherwise the cells going to
1:30:07
die. But they also have to allow
1:30:09
certain things in, but only in the correct amounts.
1:30:13
So they have to be able to send things out and allow things in
1:30:17
and also protect the stuff that's happening inside the
1:30:20
cell. So you have to have a a very
1:30:23
complex and well working cell membrane and then there's a
1:30:26
whole bunch of other stuff that you need.
1:30:28
So you need a bunch of things all to come together at the
1:30:31
exact same time in the exact right place.
1:30:35
And the chances of this happening are just it's it, it's
1:30:42
a really, really, really, really, really big big number.
1:30:46
Insane. So Daniel, the reason why I
1:30:49
bring and and it sounds very mechanical.
1:30:52
I don't see how anybody thinks evolution is a friend to the
1:30:55
atheist. It sounds goal oriented.
1:30:58
It sounds like it has purpose and certain mechanics to work a
1:31:01
function in order to achieve a goal.
1:31:03
To me that sounds like a damn machine.
1:31:05
It sounds like something that was designed and set up to go.
1:31:09
Even if you were to accept the idea of evolution, it's not
1:31:12
something that seems to help the atheist in any kind of way.
1:31:15
The reason why I bring morality into this, Daniel, is when an
1:31:18
animal is looking at another animal, what is the mechanism in
1:31:22
its head that should have been instilled from the get go or
1:31:26
there would have been genocide? What stops the Buffalo from
1:31:29
killing the other Buffalo? Why does it associate that this
1:31:32
is something it can either Make Love with or it can just run
1:31:35
right over and trample? What's stopping it?
1:31:38
That mechanism. See.
1:31:40
There's a moral issue there. Well, I mean, the atheist is
1:31:44
just going to say that the animal wants to survive because
1:31:48
if the animal didn't want to survive, then it would have just
1:31:51
wandered off into a lake or something and drowned and it
1:31:54
wouldn't have reproduced. So only the animals that want to
1:31:57
survive, survive. And there is no moral dimension
1:32:00
to it. It's just do you have a will to
1:32:03
survive or don't you? And that's what I'm trying to
1:32:05
say is, you know, animals wanting to survive has nothing
1:32:09
to do with morality. That doesn't say what's good,
1:32:12
you know, why is survival good? Why is an extinction good?
1:32:16
You know, it's all just arbitrary.
1:32:18
You know, you're just picking what you like instead of, you
1:32:21
know, anything that actually makes sense, you know?
1:32:26
That's the point, Daniel. What what you're saying is
1:32:29
exactly that you're you're absolutely right.
1:32:31
That is how the atheist usually responds.
1:32:34
But that's talking about the horse.
1:32:36
That's not talking about the carriage.
1:32:38
If you don't mind me using a weird remark there, what I mean
1:32:41
is, why does it even have the ambition to like something or
1:32:46
want to go a certain route in the first place?
1:32:49
I mean TTOR, you know why you want to go get that Twinkie or
1:32:52
that bag of Doritos downstairs? You know why.
1:32:55
But why do you have the ability to even think about the damn
1:32:59
Doritos in the 1st place? You see what I mean?
1:33:02
Yeah. So you're asking, why do we have
1:33:06
this ability to think about wanting like to have the desire?
1:33:12
Yeah, it's obvious the way you describe the whole cell and the
1:33:15
Organism and all that. It kind of, if you think about
1:33:19
it, there's some kind of process that's going on there.
1:33:21
We immediately have the spark where, if you don't mind me
1:33:24
using you as an example, where T2R says I would like to get bag
1:33:29
of Doritos. So why does he want to do this?
1:33:32
He's hungry. He's got all these different
1:33:33
reasons. But why does he have it?
1:33:36
What is inside of his brain and his mind that would even give
1:33:40
him the visual and this future the the goal to go do in the 1st
1:33:45
place. Does that make sense to you?
1:33:47
Yeah, like it's it is really it. It's an abstract thought,
1:33:51
really, the idea of doing something that we're not
1:33:55
actively doing. You know, like right now I'm
1:33:57
sitting on my couch, But the idea of me being somewhere else
1:34:02
and going and doing something, having a goal, is kind of a an
1:34:07
abstract thought. And it's not really an instinct
1:34:10
either. So it is, you know, it's kind of
1:34:14
like part of consciousness, which is to me very much
1:34:19
indicative of the idea that God must exist because it's very
1:34:24
difficult to see why we would have consciousness, why we would
1:34:29
be able to think about other things, you know, like this
1:34:31
about Ness. You know, like I can think about
1:34:34
my wife would normally matter is just about itself, you know,
1:34:38
Like my pillow is my pillow, right?
1:34:41
My pillow can't be about my bed. You know, it can be on my bed
1:34:46
but can't be about my bed. But yet, in my mind, I can think
1:34:50
about all kinds of things. I can think about my pillow.
1:34:54
So it's very difficult to rationalize or to figure out why
1:35:00
we would have consciousness if fundamentally everything is
1:35:06
material and not mind, right? But if everything comes from a
1:35:11
mind, which is what we're really talking about when we're when
1:35:14
we're saying that we're theists, is that fundamentally everything
1:35:18
is mind. A God is a mind and he made
1:35:21
everything right. So at the bedrock of all reality
1:35:24
is a mind. You would expect for there to be
1:35:28
consciousness because that's what created everything and
1:35:32
consciousness could create other consciousness.
1:35:35
It's not a problem. So that's kind of long winded.
1:35:38
Sorry about that. No, I appreciate hearing you and
1:35:41
TTOR and what you guys views on that is I never am.
1:35:45
When when talking to non believers, I'm never able to
1:35:49
progress to the second level of philosophical thinking.
1:35:52
They get stuck at the horse. It's because the animal wanted
1:35:55
to. If the animal didn't have sex
1:35:58
and they couldn't, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:35:59
But why does it wanted it? Because it wants to.
1:36:02
It's it's like a circular reasoning.
1:36:05
It just goes back and forth, folks.
1:36:07
I'll be right back. I got to have an experience.
1:36:10
Be right back. Oh, an out of body experience.
1:36:16
Oh, he changed scenes. He vanished.
1:36:19
Maybe Brett Keene wasn't even really there at all.
1:36:24
I knew it. He's a ghost.
1:36:26
We've been talking to a ghost all these years.
1:36:28
You know, you know, while we're waiting, I did want to talk a
1:36:32
little bit more about Paula Gia, because I don't know if he's
1:36:36
going to watch this or not, probably not, but maybe because
1:36:40
because he has responded to you so and we are talking about him.
1:36:45
So if he does watch this or his fans, I just want to say that I
1:36:49
do appreciate Paula Gia in a few respects #1 I appreciate that he
1:36:54
actually makes arguments. He's not like the Amazing
1:36:59
Atheist who is just constant degeneracy and straw man.
1:37:05
Now, apology is not above straw man, but he does try to actually
1:37:09
make arguments that you can respond to.
1:37:12
And they're not like just obviously terrible arguments.
1:37:17
I think that they're not great, but at least I do believe he is
1:37:20
making an effort. And as far as Ace atheist go
1:37:24
that are popular, he's definitely one of the better
1:37:26
ones. I can respond to his video and I
1:37:28
don't have to believe everything and I can just respond to the
1:37:32
points that he's making and he is making points.
1:37:35
So I do appreciate that it's not just rhetoric.
1:37:38
It's not just sophistry. He's making points.
1:37:40
He's making arguments. So I would say we need more of
1:37:43
that coming from the atheist community and you know I I also
1:37:49
just want to say that the fact that he he's not constantly
1:37:52
swearing and he I don't think I've ever heard him swear
1:37:56
actually, but it's definitely rare if he does.
1:38:00
I also really appreciate that as well because I don't like to
1:38:04
respond to somebody that or or listen to somebody that is just
1:38:08
swearing and incredibly foul mouthed or lewd you know.
1:38:14
So he has some decency, which I think is very nice.
1:38:18
And yeah, it would be nice if more atheist, more like that as
1:38:23
well. I appreciate that.
1:38:25
So I just wanted to give him some props for those things that
1:38:28
because it's nice to see that. Yeah, I I think I said in my
1:38:34
extra long video about Paula Gia that I did and showed a clip
1:38:39
from earlier, the one that's like an hour and 43 minutes
1:38:41
long. It's a response to his video
1:38:43
response to me. I said in that video that Paula
1:38:47
Gia is probably the best of the best in the atheist YouTube
1:38:51
community because like you said, he actually tries to make
1:38:55
arguments and he doesn't swear a whole bunch, you know, if at
1:38:59
all. I don't think I've ever heard
1:39:00
him swear either. And he also, you know, doesn't
1:39:04
like smoke and drink and do drugs and all the other stuff
1:39:09
like the drunken peasants, for example, like to do or the Utah
1:39:12
outcasts like to do. Basically, he's still heavily
1:39:17
influenced by the Christian culture he grew up in and that
1:39:20
makes him a lot more pleasant to talk to.
1:39:24
But but like you said, even though he's got those things
1:39:28
going for him, the fact that he holds the world view he does
1:39:32
leads him to make silly arguments that we can easily
1:39:36
refute like we did in the stream.
1:39:38
But as far as the other guys who like to swear and curse and you
1:39:43
know do all the other nasty stuff in their videos, when they
1:39:46
respond to people like us, sometimes you just have to grit
1:39:50
your teeth and make a video response to them.
1:39:52
Because if you do and you just expertly refute them on maybe
1:39:56
one or two things that they said, you will stay in their
1:39:59
head for life and. They will.
1:40:02
Never be able. Yes, they will never forget you.
1:40:05
One perfect example is Jeffrey Doherty who is called the
1:40:11
Christian Whistleblower. He's like a religion skeptic who
1:40:15
used to be a priest or whatever for like 20 years and now he's
1:40:19
like part of the whole Jesus never existed Jews or bad crowd.
1:40:23
And couple years ago he was on a live stream with Adam Green of
1:40:27
No More News, making this whole case about how Jesus didn't
1:40:31
exist. And basically the New Testament
1:40:33
is just a 1st century Twitter war between the Apostle Paul and
1:40:37
the other disciples of Jesus. And so I made an hour and a half
1:40:41
long video responding to a lot of the things that Jeffrey put
1:40:47
out in like a 10 minute span. And then he tried challenging me
1:40:51
to a debate Right after that I said no.
1:40:54
Never heard from him again until Easter last year.
1:40:57
And then on Easter last year, he actually messaged me out of the
1:41:01
blue once again challenging me to a debate.
1:41:05
And I had to laugh the second time he did it because I
1:41:08
literally had not given that guy a single thought for almost 2
1:41:13
years. But he couldn't Get Me Out of
1:41:16
his head and he reached out to me on Easter just so you know,
1:41:20
at home and throw meaningless debate challenges at me.
1:41:24
And that's what you can do to someone like that when you
1:41:27
refute them is you can get inside their heads so deep, but
1:41:31
they will never ever forget you and they'll actively seek you
1:41:35
out years later. Yeah, in.
1:41:37
A negative way. Honestly, I would feel bad about
1:41:41
subjecting my Christian audience to somebody that was swearing
1:41:47
all the time. You know, 'cause I know I don't
1:41:49
want to listen to it, and I wouldn't want to subject a
1:41:53
Christian audience to that kind of filth.
1:41:55
That's that's the that's the really big issue that I have.
1:41:59
Because I'll listen to it, but I don't like to listen to it, but
1:42:01
I definitely don't want to subject others to it, you know,
1:42:04
and. Like Sir sick.
1:42:06
Yeah, exactly. You know, I would like to make a
1:42:09
response to his video. You know, he made a video about
1:42:12
me. He did one about me too.
1:42:14
Actually he did 2 about me. He made one.
1:42:17
He made one video response to me regarding the video I did about
1:42:20
Professor Stick and so then I made 1/2 hour long video
1:42:24
response to his response where I pointed out that he claims that
1:42:31
poor design was proof of no designer at all.
1:42:35
And when I made that video about him, he responded by making a 2
1:42:39
1/2 hour video about my video. Wow.
1:42:43
I never watched. I never watched his 2 1/2 hour
1:42:46
video for obvious reasons. Time.
1:42:49
But yeah, he spent 2 1/2 hours on me after I made a response to
1:42:55
his response to. Me.
1:42:57
Yeah. The That's the problem with
1:42:59
YouTube, Daniel. Once you start getting up there
1:43:02
and people start noticing your name, I've had people create
1:43:05
entire series based on me, whether it's about my nose or my
1:43:10
Gray hair or if I walk backwards like a dog.
1:43:13
I mean, it's it's always something for sure.
1:43:15
Remember that guy we had a while back, We unfortunately, although
1:43:19
we've had non believers who've obviously been after us and all
1:43:22
that, but we had a religious guy who actually got mad at us
1:43:26
because we unpackaged his arguments and he said he was
1:43:29
wanting to whoop up our new TTR and myself.
1:43:32
And he comes in, he comes in and and I let him up on the screen.
1:43:37
And I said, Sir, calm down. We'll have a calm discussion and
1:43:41
we'll talk about it and go ahead and unpackage you again.
1:43:45
And he's like, I'm going to, you know, whoop you and all that.
1:43:47
And I said, well, sounds like you've got quite the
1:43:49
imagination, Sir, because that ain't going to happen in Saint
1:43:52
Louis, I can assure you that. Yeah.
1:43:54
Because he said he was going to, he said he was going to learn
1:43:56
you. And you were like, oh, so you're
1:43:58
talking about a Bible study. And then he started talking
1:44:01
about, you know, beating you up. Yeah, and the champion,
1:44:06
Elizabeth, me and TTR, we were perfectly respectful and nice,
1:44:09
but it did get to the point where it was like, all right
1:44:12
there, guy. You're going to have to go
1:44:14
settle down, take a cold shower there guy.
1:44:16
Yeah, And then he challenged you to a music fight before he
1:44:20
backed out. And then after the music fight,
1:44:22
he challenged you to a boxing match.
1:44:26
And then he backed out again. Yeah, see, that's what I mean
1:44:29
when I say dumpster fire. And I don't want to have a
1:44:34
dumpster fire conversation, you know, 'cause that's all that is.
1:44:38
Well, you're absolutely right then, knowing that that's not
1:44:41
something that me and TTR were ambitious about either.
1:44:44
When I made my video. To him, it was perfectly calm
1:44:48
and relaxed, just as I'm talking to you right now.
1:44:51
I just didn't agree with some of his views and for some reason
1:44:54
that lit a fire under it. And to be honest with you, what
1:44:57
I unpackaged him. Warren wasn't that big of a deal
1:45:00
anyway, but for some reason I crawled up under him.
1:45:03
He did not like that. I think it was not more about
1:45:06
being wrong, but what it made him look like in public.
1:45:10
And he just needed to show me and TTR what Dum Dums we were
1:45:14
and it just wasn't open. Because he, at the time, he was
1:45:17
a visiting scholar for reasons to believe, and he was basically
1:45:21
very arrogant about it and used that status as something to beat
1:45:25
us down with, Well, you're just stupid and I'm right, because
1:45:29
I'm this and you're not, Of course.
1:45:31
Then he started threatening physical violence against
1:45:34
physically disabled Christian Youtubers.
1:45:36
And then he came out in defence of his pedophile friends Smokey
1:45:40
St. and actually. Oh, you mean Doctor Kylo, Ken?
1:45:44
There you go. Hello Ken, That guy?
1:45:46
Yeah, I watched a few of his videos.
1:45:48
They weren't very, very good. No, yeah.
1:45:53
Oh, he went down the dark, dark side after we basically just got
1:45:58
in his head. And Daniel, I I know that you
1:46:02
really, really you desire not to get a nunny dumpster fires.
1:46:06
But the problem is, Daniel, is that you're very articulate,
1:46:09
you're extremely intelligent, and you call things whenever
1:46:13
they're not, right. I mean, you call it for what it
1:46:15
is. So Daniel, as you,
1:46:18
unfortunately, YouTube is not like when you get bigger, things
1:46:21
get better. It actually starts raining more
1:46:24
garbage from the sky, aren't you?
1:46:26
The bigger you get. And it's sad.
1:46:28
No matter how good you are, Daniel, no matter how loving,
1:46:31
there's always someone that's going to hate you.
1:46:33
Yeah. And that is also the universal
1:46:36
truth at this point on the Internet is no matter who you
1:46:39
are, no matter how nice you are, no matter how pure and innocent
1:46:43
and good your content is on the Internet, there is always
1:46:47
someone out there who hates your guts because you exist.
1:46:51
You know, I actually, I don't know if you guys noticed, but I
1:46:53
actually gave an award to my best hater so far on Twitter.
1:46:57
Did you guys see that? I did, and that was a lovely
1:47:00
reward. I wish somebody would give me a
1:47:02
trophy. Well, there was a guy who
1:47:05
followed me for years on YouTube and bit shoot who was just, you
1:47:09
know, stalking me basically and leaving comments on like every
1:47:12
video I put out. And yeah, he's actually the
1:47:15
person who inspired me to create the diagnosis of Creationist
1:47:20
Derangement Syndrome. I never understood this, Daniel.
1:47:24
At all. TTR is one of the nicest,
1:47:27
sweetest, most awesome people you could talk to.
1:47:29
I don't understand for life me why atheists would strike out at
1:47:33
him. For me, I know that.
1:47:35
I know that I was a former atheist, and sometimes I like to
1:47:38
play in the mud with the pigs, sometimes I throw my pearls
1:47:41
right out there. So I kind of say, OK, I got what
1:47:44
was coming to me right. But TTR don't make no sense to
1:47:48
me. He's a he's a gentleman.
1:47:51
Well. You know that atheists, Well,
1:47:55
it's not all atheists, but some atheists will, you know, go
1:47:58
after like grandmas who are just online, like posting verses, you
1:48:03
know, and they'll be like sky daddy, sky daddy, you know.
1:48:07
So they don't have any shame whatsoever.
1:48:10
Some of them, you know, not all atheists will go that low.
1:48:13
I don't want to say that they will, but some some will go that
1:48:17
low, you know, so I and I know that how they how the Internet
1:48:21
is. I have really, really thick
1:48:23
skin. I'm like almost a psychopath or
1:48:28
a sociopath, whatever, whichever it is.
1:48:31
You know, you should have seen me before I got saved.
1:48:34
I didn't have any empathy, you know, all the atheists would
1:48:37
have thought I was just such a terrible person, 'cause I had no
1:48:41
empathy whatsoever. But yeah, it doesn't bother me.
1:48:46
I I think God made me to be on the Internet, 'cause when when
1:48:49
people insult me or whatever, it it doesn't bother me at all.
1:48:53
It actually I I feel like the Hulk.
1:48:55
It just makes me stronger, you know?
1:48:59
It's like when they shoot him and he grows bigger, you know?
1:49:01
That's how I feel. He's like the Incredible Hopper.
1:49:05
You don't want to see me angry, but at the end, no one TTR.
1:49:09
We're very creative people and that is one of their favorite
1:49:13
things to use, isn't it? Sky Daddy.
1:49:15
So why don't we come up with a mean you tell me if this is
1:49:18
going too far. When they say Sky daddy, we say,
1:49:21
oh Monkey daddy, Monkey daddy because they believe they come
1:49:23
from the womb of a baboon. So we'll say Monkey Daddy,
1:49:26
Monkey Daddy. What about what about bacteria
1:49:31
baby? That sounds like a disease.
1:49:38
Oh, you know, they they believe they ultimately come from some
1:49:40
bacteria that formed on some rocks in your hydrothermal vents
1:49:43
in the ocean. Bacteria, baby.
1:49:48
I made, I made a pretty funny meme a while back.
1:49:51
I don't know if you saw Brett or or TTR, but it basically was
1:49:57
saying that atheists are like Sky Daddy and they hate it, You
1:50:02
know, is that, oh is it like yes, no meme or whatever,
1:50:06
drawing a blank on this name. But anyway, it basically was
1:50:10
rock Daddy, you know, because they believe that a rock made
1:50:15
all of us. So we we we've got a rock Daddy
1:50:18
and. You know, we come from rocks,
1:50:21
yeah. Yeah, that we come from a Rock,
1:50:23
You know, And it's like, well, at least my daddy can fly, you
1:50:26
know, your daddy's stupid rock. That's hateful.
1:50:32
I love it. Yeah, it's it's pretty funny
1:50:34
actually, 'cause it's like, it's like I'm trying to remember what
1:50:38
it what it was. I actually made a few that were
1:50:40
in that vein. They did pretty well too.
1:50:43
That's what's so funny, though, about that whole particular
1:50:46
topic is that when we point out that their worldview teaches
1:50:50
that they ultimately come from some bacteria that formed on
1:50:54
some rocks near some hydrothermal vents under the
1:50:56
ocean 3.8 to 4.2 billion years ago, they claim that we're lying
1:51:00
and we're just making it up. But we're literally reading it
1:51:03
off of Wikipedia pages. I've been.
1:51:07
I've been meaning to ask you TTR 'cause I I know you're still,
1:51:10
you're still fighting for the Young Earth Creationism, and
1:51:13
there's a great deal of Christians out there doing this,
1:51:16
but what are you going to, what is going to be the process for
1:51:20
you? You've had to have thought of
1:51:21
this. They've already stated that the
1:51:23
moon is 40 billion years old now, so you have to.
1:51:27
And then the universe just went quadruple, because scientists
1:51:30
know how to take pictures now. So you do realize that sooner or
1:51:36
later they're going to quadruple the age of the Earth.
1:51:40
It's going to go from 4.5 billion because they need more
1:51:43
time for their slugs to turn into magical talking frogs at
1:51:46
roller skate. So what will, what will?
1:51:49
What do you think Young Earth Creationists are going to be
1:51:51
able to do with this? Basically the same thing we're
1:51:54
doing now, because by only increasing the age of the earth,
1:51:58
every time the age is revised, it just becomes more and more
1:52:01
obvious what they're doing. Right, right.
1:52:05
It wouldn't. Change it wouldn't change
1:52:07
anything for us fundamentally as far as how we.
1:52:09
Are right. So even if they threw a trillion
1:52:11
years on the planet and all that and said that it was growing
1:52:14
feed itself, you'd we'd you still hit it from the youngest
1:52:19
creationist argument A. Lot of and a lot of younger
1:52:22
creationists are really good with pattern recognition.
1:52:25
I mean, there's a lot of people that are good with pattern
1:52:27
recognition, but but it's also true in the young Earth
1:52:29
creationism movement. And when you observe over time
1:52:32
the pattern that every single time the age of the Earth is
1:52:35
revised, it is always made older and never younger, no matter
1:52:39
what. You recognize that pattern.
1:52:42
And you know, yeah, they're just doing that to make time deeper
1:52:46
so they can hide their theory in it.
1:52:48
You know what I was thinking about today?
1:52:50
You guys might find this interesting, but I was thinking
1:52:53
how if the Earth is really, really old, it's really kind of
1:52:57
crazy to think that, you know, like, well, because it's so old,
1:53:02
well, therefore, you know, it makes more sense that we're
1:53:06
evolved, OK? Because I was thinking, well,
1:53:09
that would also mean that there was a lot more time for epic
1:53:13
catastrophes that wiped out a bunch of life.
1:53:16
You know, that wasn't, you know, like taking things way back down
1:53:20
to a primordial level, right? So why couldn't, you know if
1:53:26
you've got lots and lots of time, you know you're talking
1:53:28
about like solar flares and meteorites and all kinds of
1:53:32
things could happen in that huge span of time.
1:53:35
You know, what you really need is you need like 400 billion
1:53:39
years or whatever million years or whatever it is of like
1:53:43
basically a pretty good environment where huge
1:53:48
catastrophes like that aren't happening.
1:53:50
Because if the catastrophe takes out like all the higher level
1:53:55
developed things, you're starting back kind of from like
1:53:57
scratch or almost from scratch. Oh, you mean like the flood of
1:54:01
NOAA? Oh yeah, Daniel's absolutely
1:54:05
correct, though the more time they put on it, the more
1:54:08
catastrophes and consequences that are inevitable to be a part
1:54:12
of it and that becomes a problem.
1:54:14
I've always this might make Daniel laugh over here and I've
1:54:17
pointed this out to you TTR, but their big thing is have you ever
1:54:21
heard of super evolution before where they believe at certain
1:54:24
times things quickened? Punctuated equilibrium is what
1:54:28
that's called. Yes, yes, something to this
1:54:31
effect. So they're stating, as you know,
1:54:33
especially on Twitter, the big thing is, is that dinosaurs
1:54:36
turned into birds. Well, exactly how did this
1:54:39
happen if even if we didn't have a full ARN extinction like we've
1:54:43
been taught in school, how did these things actually survive
1:54:47
the extinction process? And all the chemicals supposedly
1:54:51
this affected the earth for over 1000 years.
1:54:54
So how did these things manage to do that?
1:54:56
Especially if it takes the dinosaurs billions of years to
1:54:59
turn into our feathered friends. Anybody thought of?
1:55:03
That, and that's why they keep trying to make the universe and
1:55:05
Earth older than it is. Because there's not enough time,
1:55:09
according to their narrative, for that evolution to happen.
1:55:12
But even if you do say that, even if they were to throw on
1:55:16
you know that the Earth itself is eternal somehow, you still
1:55:20
don't get past that event, and you don't get past the Ice Age
1:55:24
that came along in the Cambrian period, where diverse life
1:55:27
exploded all over the place. Basically the Earth did a full
1:55:30
reset, but then they're going to turn around and say, oh the
1:55:33
flood couldn't happen. But wait a minute, the Earth is
1:55:36
a 75% water planet. We have 4 oceans worth of water
1:55:41
beneath us and you believe that it might be tough to throw a
1:55:44
couple extra ice cubes in the tea to make a flood over?
1:55:48
And they discovered a long time ago, like within the last 20-30
1:55:52
years or so, they discovered that there is water underneath
1:55:57
the surface of the Earth, underneath the oceans that is in
1:56:00
like some kind of hardened crystallized form that's keeping
1:56:04
it from coming up to the surface.
1:56:05
But if that water did come up to the surface and combined with
1:56:08
all the ocean water, that water would flood the earth just like
1:56:12
it did in the flood of NOAA. Only the tippy tops of
1:56:15
mountains, they theorize, would stick out of the water.
1:56:18
You know what's embarrassing? TTOR?
1:56:20
I don't know if you had a chance.
1:56:22
And I and it was embarrassing to watch the Ken Ham versus Bill
1:56:25
Nye debate. Bill Nye said repeatedly, Oh,
1:56:29
this is not possible. There's not this much water,
1:56:32
yadda yadda yadda, all kinds of nonsense.
1:56:35
But two weeks later, he's on Fox News.
1:56:37
This is before he started hating them and thinking they're at the
1:56:40
devil. But he gets up there and he says
1:56:43
we need to take climate change seriously because if the ice
1:56:47
caps melt, the world will flood and we'll all be, you know,
1:56:50
drowning in water. But he told Ken Ham on a public
1:56:54
debate that that's impossible to happen.
1:56:58
That's really funny. It's like I forgot about that.
1:57:01
He's trying to have his cake and eat it too.
1:57:04
Yeah, I pay attention to what atheists say.
1:57:07
You know, I pay attention to what these non believers say.
1:57:10
And then what's what's good about atheists is they don't
1:57:14
take like years down the road to contradict themselves.
1:57:17
They usually do it almost immediately in the next 5
1:57:20
minutes. So they make it simple for me.
1:57:23
I just archived the nonsense. That's.
1:57:25
True. Yeah, if the ice caps melted,
1:57:28
that would be a lot. A lot more water.
1:57:30
Yeah, I've never thought about that.
1:57:33
It's really interesting. I wonder how much more that
1:57:35
would be. Bill Nye is what I call the Pee
1:57:38
Wee Herman of atheism. You know what I mean?
1:57:43
Yeah, yeah, I used to dresses. He dresses like it.
1:57:46
Or at least he used to. I don't.
1:57:49
I don't think he's actually even a real scientist, though, No.
1:57:52
He's a, isn't he an engineer? I don't know.
1:57:55
I mean, I'm. I probably shouldn't talk about
1:57:57
if I don't know, but. I'm pretty sure he's like an
1:58:00
engineer, like the kind that deals with aerodynamics and all
1:58:03
that. But he's not an actual
1:58:05
scientist. That part is true.
1:58:07
Yeah, I remember I watched his debate with Ken Ham and I wasn't
1:58:10
saved at the time. I was still an atheist and I was
1:58:13
like, woohoo. Bill Nye did so good.
1:58:16
You know I. Was funny though, about Bill Nye
1:58:18
in that debate. He actually printed an article
1:58:22
for, I forget which publication, where he talked about his debate
1:58:25
strategy, and he literally admitted to using the Gish
1:58:29
Gallup technique to beat Ken Hammond, his debate.
1:58:33
You know, that technique that atheists always accused
1:58:36
creationists of doing, and that it's a logical fallacy.
1:58:40
And, you know, anyone who uses it is not really winning the
1:58:42
debate. They're just using a logical
1:58:44
fallacy to make it seem like they're winning.
1:58:47
He. Admitted to actually using that
1:58:49
technique against Ken Ham in the debate.
1:58:51
Basically, he just threw so many objections at Ken Ham that Ken
1:58:55
Ham couldn't possibly answer them all in the time he was
1:58:58
allotted. And because he couldn't, that
1:59:00
makes Bill Nye look like the winner.
1:59:02
That reasoning is why they say it's a logical fallacy for
1:59:05
creationist to use that technique, and yet they turn
1:59:08
around and use the technique against creationists and debates
1:59:11
and then declare themselves the. Winner Well, TTOR, I've said
1:59:14
this before, Atheists prefer to be on the aggressive where the
1:59:18
Christians put on trial for everything.
1:59:21
That's the reason why. And some Christians even think
1:59:23
I'm a little rough on this, but they don't understand.
1:59:26
I I know how the game is played because I used to be a former
1:59:30
atheist. The deal is, is when you are
1:59:32
confronting an atheist, you say, I will answer your question.
1:59:35
We'll do one question at a time and then I will try to respond
1:59:39
to what you're saying and then I will ask you a question and
1:59:41
we'll have what is referred to as a conversation here.
1:59:45
That's nicer than I am, I, I said.
1:59:50
That's nicer than I am. Usually.
1:59:52
It depends who I'm talking to. But if I'm talking to somebody
1:59:54
that I think just wants to control the conversation, I'm
1:59:57
just going to be like, well, you can either answer my questions
2:00:00
or I'll just move on because I'm not going to play their game at
2:00:03
all, but. You know what's funny about
2:00:05
that, too, Brett? Is that Dwayne Gish, the
2:00:07
creationist, that they named this logical fallacy after he
2:00:11
wrote books and did videos teaching creationists how to win
2:00:15
debates against evolutionists. And in his teaching materials,
2:00:18
one of which I actually have in my bedroom across the house, he
2:00:22
actually told creationists you need to keep evolutionists and
2:00:25
atheists on one subject at a time because they will try to
2:00:29
hop to other subjects when you start to pin them down on one
2:00:32
thing. So you got to keep the debate on
2:00:34
one subject until that subject has reached its completion.
2:00:39
Yeah, it's it's like dealing with attention deaths, the
2:00:42
disorder. You have to help them focus and
2:00:45
and keep on track. The idea for them is not to.
2:00:49
The goal is not to ever learn anything in the conversation.
2:00:53
It is to try to do what I referred to, and it's probably
2:00:56
the same as what you mentioned. I called the shotgun effect.
2:00:59
Bam, bam bam bam. Over and over until you can't
2:01:02
say nothing. So basically what happened is
2:01:05
Dwayne Gish found a way to beat their technique.
2:01:08
And so, because they didn't like it, what they decided to do was
2:01:12
project Dwayne Gish onto their Gish Galloping technique and
2:01:16
claim that he was the one doing it, when in reality he was
2:01:20
advocating for the opposite. And they were the ones doing it
2:01:23
in debates. Makes sense.
2:01:26
Makes sense? That's yeah, that's the
2:01:28
fascinating story behind Dwayne Gish and the Gish Gallop story
2:01:32
that they like to tell on Rational Wiki and.
2:01:34
Stuff. Is that where the term comes
2:01:36
from? Gish Gallop.
2:01:38
Yeah, they named it after Dwayne Gish because they claimed he
2:01:41
would throw so many arguments at creationists in a debate that he
2:01:45
they wouldn't have time to respond to all of them and it
2:01:47
would make him look like the winner.
2:01:48
And yet, in his books where he taught creationists how to
2:01:51
debate, he taught the opposite. He said, hey, stick to one
2:01:54
subject at a time and don't let the atheists go off topic.
2:01:58
That sounds like the instructions you would give if
2:02:01
the other side was the one. Oh, you can clearly see this
2:02:06
kind of behavior with Christopher Hitchens versus
2:02:09
Frank Turek. I I'm sure you guys all know who
2:02:11
Frank Turek is. He debated Hitchens a while
2:02:14
back, and every time Frank was getting ready to make a point to
2:02:17
respond to something, Hitchens would interrupt him and cut him
2:02:21
off. And it's one of the reasons why
2:02:23
Hitchens ended up getting that reputation for being a bully.
2:02:27
He would just cut somebody off when he didn't want to deal with
2:02:29
their topic and then mumble about how mean God is.
2:02:33
Or, you know, how Muslims, you know, cut off genitals and all
2:02:37
that. And that's how he played the
2:02:39
game. He wasn't looking for truth.
2:02:41
He just wanted to harm the reputation of religious people
2:02:44
as much as he could. And that's how a lot of atheists
2:02:47
are. They like to rant and rave for
2:02:48
five to 10 minutes, and then you barely get 2 words out and
2:02:52
they're cutting you off to rant again for another 5 to 10
2:02:55
minutes, even after they ask you a question.
2:02:57
That's why you have to take control right away and let
2:03:00
people know it. Basically, this is how it's
2:03:03
going to be. This is the rules of the room
2:03:05
and atheists hate that. They get mad at me whenever I
2:03:07
say, look, I'm the one host in this room and we're going to do
2:03:11
things in a conversation like way.
2:03:14
They do not like being told. No, they hate being controlled.
2:03:18
They just want to control everything essentially.
2:03:23
It's almost like they're control freaks.
2:03:25
Well, they're like children, you know?
2:03:27
I mean, when you, when you get saved, when you submit to God,
2:03:31
it makes you understand that you were being rebellious, You know,
2:03:37
like like a teenager. You know, if it's kind of part
2:03:42
of growing up, in my view, like a lot of these atheists that are
2:03:45
still old and should be grown up are still very immature because
2:03:49
it takes maturity to submit yourself to God and to put
2:03:53
yourself under authority because immature people don't want to do
2:03:58
that. They want to do what they want
2:04:00
to do. But when you get maturity,
2:04:02
you're like, oh, maybe what I want isn't actually what's best.
2:04:07
You know, maybe this guy over here, the one that made me,
2:04:11
maybe I should be doing what he's telling me to do it even if
2:04:13
I don't want to do it. You know, That takes a long
2:04:17
maturity, though. It's not what we want.
2:04:19
Daniel and TTR, We're going on 2 hours now and I know that you've
2:04:24
been tired, Daniel, and I know that TTR usually wraps things up
2:04:28
around here. But I wanted to say to Daniel
2:04:30
and Dark Moon if you guys have any suggestions or advice on how
2:04:34
to make the show better or some topics that we can discuss in
2:04:38
the future. As you know, Keith, you are and
2:04:41
myself are on Twitter. Anybody out there If there's
2:04:44
certain things you'd like to hear us talk about or discuss,
2:04:47
give us some advice, give us some suggestions, we'd
2:04:50
appreciate it. And you can also leave comments
2:04:53
on my rumble videos, my quarter videos, my YouTube videos
2:04:57
wherever you're watching me. Also you can make suggestions
2:05:00
and topics suggestions through that as well.
2:05:03
Have you guys ever done a debate review?
2:05:07
No, I have not. Well, no, that's not true.
2:05:11
I actually did do a debate review once with a friend of
2:05:13
mine years ago. I think that might be fun also.
2:05:18
You know any? Tweets that you see that and we
2:05:20
kind of did that tonight. Any tweets that you see that?
2:05:24
You think are interesting about a certain topic, you know, put
2:05:27
those in your bookmarks and talk about those.
2:05:30
I think is. I think that can be fun.
2:05:34
Probably could think of some other things too, but you know,
2:05:37
videos that might be relevant. Yeah, I know.
2:05:41
I've seen Calvinism come up a lot on Christian Twitter over
2:05:45
the last. Several months.
2:05:47
I don't want to talk about Calvinism.
2:05:49
At at some point I probably will tackle that either in a stream
2:05:53
or an individual. Video God.
2:05:54
Bless you haven't. Haven't decided that one yet.
2:05:58
With DPORI was also talking to Daniel and I said to him that if
2:06:01
he if he finds like a non believer or somebody whatever
2:06:06
their viewpoint is what a religious, spiritual or non
2:06:09
believer. If he ever wants to do like a
2:06:11
show where he talks to the person, does his wife, I'm more
2:06:15
than willing to open something up.
2:06:16
I know that your your time's a bit more strenuous with work,
2:06:20
editing of the church and doing a website, but yeah, so if he
2:06:26
decides to do that, people are welcome to come in.
2:06:29
But if he's actually in the middle of like a intellectual
2:06:32
discussion with someone, I would ask that anybody that does come
2:06:36
in because I put my public link out there, they have to be chill
2:06:40
and let points be said and don't be like a like a Vince McMahon
2:06:45
referee. I think you all know what I mean
2:06:46
by that. So I don't want any dogpiling
2:06:51
going on either way. Right, so before we get out of
2:06:56
here, since Dark Moon has said relatively few things in this
2:06:59
stream, I'd like to give him the chance to talk about what's
2:07:03
going on with him and anything of interest to him before we
2:07:06
head out. I think we can spare him about
2:07:08
10 to 15 minutes. No, I won't need that much.
2:07:13
I do want to say it's nice meeting Daniel.
2:07:16
I've been watching some of the stuff on YouTube and it's pretty
2:07:18
good content. Well, thanks man.
2:07:21
I appreciate that. What?
2:07:22
What have you watched? Yeah, mostly your recent videos.
2:07:29
It's been a few days, so you have to give me a moment, but
2:07:36
have any of you ever heard of a YouTube channel called Good
2:07:40
Fight Ministries? Oh, yeah, I know about them.
2:07:43
I I know exactly what they they're all about.
2:07:47
I've went down those rabbit holes.
2:07:50
It's not something I talk about hardly at all.
2:07:52
Mostly talk about philosophy, but I've went down those rabbit
2:07:56
holes. I know all about that.
2:08:00
I kind of like what they're doing with exposing the stuff
2:08:03
going on in the celebrity world and music and whatnot.
2:08:07
I've been watching a lot of their stuff too, Kind of like
2:08:10
see you guys tackle some of those subjects.
2:08:13
Yeah, honestly, that's some really good stuff right there.
2:08:18
So what they're basically talking about is occultism and
2:08:23
how we see occult themes in Hollywood and in mainstream
2:08:29
media. They talk about occult symbology
2:08:35
and things of that nature. It's very, very interesting,
2:08:38
extremely interesting. I just don't talk about it on my
2:08:41
account because I only want to fight so many battles on so many
2:08:47
fronts, right? And the Christian Trooper
2:08:49
movement's been fighting that particular battle for many, many
2:08:52
years now. Yeah, I get that.
2:08:55
Yep. And also I just if you start
2:09:00
bringing stuff up like that, then you lose legitimacy to
2:09:03
people who don't believe in it, you know?
2:09:07
But it is incredibly fascinating to me.
2:09:10
I I don't. I don't think that there's a
2:09:12
shadow of a doubt in my mind as far as far as all that, that
2:09:16
there's a lot of truth to it. You know, if you just, I mean
2:09:19
the Freemasons are like in every town, I've got them here, you
2:09:22
know. And you can literally read books
2:09:25
written by Freemasons where they say that it's about Lucifer.
2:09:30
You know I. Think there's a Masonic Lodge
2:09:33
right across Watson Stadium in the city I live in.
2:09:37
Yeah. That's where the Oregon Ducks,
2:09:39
my favorite football team, play all their home games.
2:09:41
So yeah, they're they're like everywhere and nobody talks
2:09:43
about them. They're very prevalent in
2:09:45
Hollywood. You even see their symbols in
2:09:48
movies like quite a bit. You know, like if you watch the
2:09:51
movie Tombstone, one of the guys, he's not the main
2:09:54
character, but he rides with the main character.
2:09:57
He's wearing a necklace that has the the square and compass, you
2:10:01
know, and they do that kind of thing all the time.
2:10:05
You just don't. But most people don't know how
2:10:08
to recognize it, and they're not paying attention.
2:10:10
But once you see it, you can't Unsee it.
2:10:17
Yep, absolutely. I used to.
2:10:19
I used to be really heavy into looking at the conspiracy
2:10:23
theories and all the symbolism and all that stuff.
2:10:25
So I I know a fair deal about some of the stuff.
2:10:29
But, and a lot of the stuff they say on that Channel, I kind of
2:10:33
have been over before, years ago, but they are exposing some
2:10:39
other stuff going on not just in not just in the secular music
2:10:43
and the and the acting and what not.
2:10:46
They're also doing in the the Christian music industry or
2:10:53
they're exposing some of the stuff going on in their lives
2:10:56
because a lot of them are welcoming like the LGBTQ
2:11:00
movement and all that into their churches and drag Queens and
2:11:03
everything. And I just thought that was an
2:11:06
interesting subject you guys might want to tackle at some
2:11:09
point are. You familiar with Spencer Smith?
2:11:13
Spencer Smith Yeah, I watched one of his videos earlier
2:11:16
tonight called The Third Adam, The Rise of the Divine Feminine,
2:11:20
Feminine. Yeah, that's so cool.
2:11:22
He's the reason why my wife and I ended up becoming Baptists
2:11:25
because of Spencer Smith. Yeah, I subbed him earlier
2:11:30
tonight. That's awesome.
2:11:32
Yeah, he's he's awesome. I actually got to talk with him
2:11:35
in a space. What was it, about a month ago?
2:11:39
And my wife and I are huge fans of his.
2:11:41
He's great and he. Really goes into detail with the
2:11:46
symbol. He goes into detail with all the
2:11:48
symbolism and stuff too. Yeah, yeah, he's great.
2:11:53
Yeah, well, that's about all I've got.
2:11:56
Oh, I noticed on your channel, Daniel, you did the video to
2:12:01
what appears to be Stephen Fry. Yeah, that's right.
2:12:06
Yeah, if it's the same Stephen Fry the that like comedy type of
2:12:11
atheist that we see on Twitter all the time.
2:12:17
He he's been in a lot of movies and stuff.
2:12:20
I don't know. I think he also does comedy.
2:12:23
He's like 60 years old. I think, if my memory serves me
2:12:27
right, he just recently got in the news for doing like talking
2:12:32
about Gaza and Israel and all that.
2:12:34
Is this the same guy? I'm not terribly familiar with
2:12:39
that, but I haven't been paying a lot of attention to Israel and
2:12:42
Gaza situation because it's a really toxic subject.
2:12:49
But. The reason why I bring it up, if
2:12:52
it is the same guy, it was trending for a little while
2:12:56
whenever all this stuff started out, and I was watching a video
2:12:59
with this older man and he's going on about how we should be
2:13:03
obligated to do this and obligated to that.
2:13:06
And I seen on the Twitter thing that he was an atheist.
2:13:08
And I'm like, Why would an atheist think that I'm morally
2:13:12
obligated to I I even give a damn about either side.
2:13:15
For I I just kept on thinking to myself, why does where does he
2:13:19
come off saying that we're morally obligated to be
2:13:22
interested? I do care, and I think that
2:13:24
something should be done. The point is, is why am I being
2:13:27
told by a nihilistic atheist that it's my moral provocation
2:13:32
to do something about it? Yeah, well, it's almost
2:13:35
definitely the guy that I made the video about.
2:13:38
And if you watch the video and he's making a case for morals
2:13:45
and saying that we don't need God in in order to be good, and
2:13:48
I basically just completely destroyed him.
2:13:50
I mean, even though they're atheists that have somewhat of a
2:13:55
grasp on the subject of morality, agree with everything
2:14:00
that I said and said that it was totally fair and that he doesn't
2:14:03
know what he's talking about. So I would say just go watch
2:14:06
that and see what his argument is and see why it doesn't work
2:14:11
at all. All right, I'll definitely check
2:14:14
it out. It does sound like the same guy.
2:14:16
Yeah, his his proclamation on Twitter was I'm Jewish.
2:14:21
I have Jewish heritage. And you know what's happening
2:14:24
here? We need to do something.
2:14:26
We need to, you know, making all these moral obligation demands.
2:14:30
And I'm like, but you don't even Why should I?
2:14:33
Why should it even matter? I mean, we all believe
2:14:36
religiously and spiritually that we're all cosmic brothers and
2:14:39
sisters designed by God. So you know, unless you got a
2:14:43
objective God who's actually stating the moral obligation,
2:14:47
why should we care what a subjective man thinks,
2:14:49
Especially a 60 year old washed up comedian?
2:14:54
Yeah, it sounds like that's definitely the same guy.
2:14:58
Yeah, and when people get washed up who used to be celebs, they
2:15:01
like to. They put in their two cents on
2:15:04
current events, usually taking up the globalist side to try and
2:15:09
get some popularity back. So TTORI noticed that you got
2:15:13
tickled by one of the memes that I put up.
2:15:15
Not the circular reasoning thing, but the fact that
2:15:19
atheists one of their big go TOS and Daniel, you probably heard
2:15:22
this 100 times. Well, you believe in this
2:15:24
garbage from thousands of years ago, but the same people are
2:15:28
telling us that they believe in the garbage of billions of years
2:15:32
ago. So if we're putting a time frame
2:15:35
on how things remain relevant, the atheist has destroyed
2:15:39
themselves by at least 4.5 billion years, according to that
2:15:42
argument. Yeah, it's like, oh, guys who
2:15:46
lived 2000 years ago talking about what happened 2000 years
2:15:50
ago. Oh wow, you can't believe a word
2:15:52
they say. What?
2:15:53
People living today talking about what happened billions of
2:15:56
years ago. Yeah, those are the trustworthy
2:15:59
ones. Listen to everything they say
2:16:01
and don't you dare dissent. It's such a terrible argument.
2:16:05
It's like something is either true or it's not.
2:16:07
Why does it matter? It just sounds so stupid.
2:16:09
Because it is. And yet, that's the reality.
2:16:13
It's just crazy to me it it's basically a current year
2:16:16
argument and everybody knows that current year arguments are
2:16:19
no longer current. You know, it's so last year,
2:16:23
honestly. Yeah, we should start saying
2:16:26
that to the atheist and evolutionist every time they
2:16:28
make an argument. Oh, that's so 2023.
2:16:32
That's so last. Year are are you really still
2:16:34
making the current year argument?
2:16:35
That's that's so last year. Are you still making that
2:16:40
argument? I wonder how they'd react if we
2:16:45
just end mass. Starting.
2:16:46
They probably wouldn't even get the joke.
2:16:47
Honestly, some of them, anyway. They're.
2:16:50
Here, yeah, woke lefties tend not to grasp humor very well.
2:16:54
So I still can't believe TTR that after all these years
2:16:58
they're still non believers where they get absolutely
2:17:01
shocked whenever I show them things in science like that
2:17:04
their ancestors were rats and worms and slugs.
2:17:07
They're like I ain't no damn a rat.
2:17:10
I I come from a monkey. They think that the monkey just
2:17:13
appeared and that's where they came from.
2:17:15
They don't realize there's a whole bunch of really neat
2:17:18
cheetah pets that they came from before that thing.
2:17:21
It shocked them. Right, right.
2:17:24
But it was Charles Darwin taught that all organic life, they came
2:17:28
from a single universal common ancestor, so they shouldn't be
2:17:32
surprised that everything's related to each other according
2:17:35
to their worldview. And yet they often are.
2:17:37
It's like they're ignorant about what their own worldview teaches
2:17:40
sometimes. Have you seen that meme that I
2:17:42
made? This is how atheists decide what
2:17:45
argument they make, and it's a wheel with like 6 different.
2:17:50
Posts. And one of them says, me Monkey
2:17:53
Fishman Oh. Wheel of Fortune.
2:18:01
Oh God. I can see where that's going
2:18:02
already. Cracked me up making that thing.
2:18:08
All right, well, it has been a fantastic show, and it's been a
2:18:12
pleasure having Brett and Daniel and Dark Moon on the show today
2:18:17
to talk about Paula, Gia, atheism, 10 commandments, and
2:18:21
morality in general. It's been a very deep show for
2:18:25
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2:19:25
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2:19:29
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2:19:32
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2:19:37
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