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Social Workers, Police and UK Family Law Courts- State Protectors Turned Child Abusers · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, and welcome to the UK column viewers and
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Speaker 1: listeners wherever you are in the world. I'm joined today
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Speaker 1: by a lady called Juliet, and I've been speaking to
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Speaker 1: Julia over what is it, probably about six months now,
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Speaker 1: and she has been telling me a story about her
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Speaker 1: family and the interaction essentially with child protection services. And
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Speaker 1: today we decided that we would have a proper interview,
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Speaker 1: and of course the aim of this interview is to
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Speaker 1: help the wider public understand just some of the really
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Speaker 1: quite terrible things that are going on in the world
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Speaker 1: of child protection. So Juliet, welcome and thank you very
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Speaker 1: much for joining me today. Oh okay, Now, we've also
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Speaker 1: got to say to the audience that we have to
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Speaker 1: be very careful because the moment you try and talk
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Speaker 1: about problems with children, you're very quickly into reporting restrictions
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Speaker 1: with the courts. So we've got the difficult job of
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Speaker 1: trying to allow Juliet, as a grandmother, to tell the
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Speaker 1: story about what's been happening in her family. But we've
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Speaker 1: got to do it bearing in mind that if Juliet
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Speaker 1: says the wrong thing, this could cause a problem for
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Speaker 1: her because the UK state is constantly telling both the
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Speaker 1: nation and the wider world that it puts child protection
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Speaker 1: first and foremost in everybody's mind. But if anybody dares
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Speaker 1: to actually come up and point out that child abuse
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Speaker 1: is taking place within the child protection system, then very
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Speaker 1: quickly they can find that they're in trouble with the
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Speaker 1: court system. So that's a little bit of a convoluted
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Speaker 1: reduction to what we're going to talk about. But let's
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Speaker 1: see whether we can tiptoe through the minefield of child
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Speaker 1: protection in UK in twenty twenty five, Juliet, how long
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Speaker 1: have you been fighting for your family.
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Speaker 2: On this occasion? Because I've been fighting for many years
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Speaker 2: because of obviously my other two grand two turn in
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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, so but this time it's been since January
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Speaker 2: of last year, right.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'll ask for the question and you say
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Speaker 1: as much or as little as you can, but what
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Speaker 1: essentially has been happening that's ultimately led not to you,
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Speaker 1: not only to you spending a huge amount of time
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Speaker 1: trying to battle for the safety of your family through
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Speaker 1: the courts, but also getting to the point where you
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Speaker 1: feel that you have to speak out and tell a
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Speaker 1: much wider audience about what's been happening. What can you
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Speaker 1: give us about the background to what's been happening.
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Speaker 2: So my granddaughter was removed unlawfully in January for the
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Speaker 2: neglect charges. I have her other two full siblings which
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Speaker 2: have lived with me, who have lived with me for
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Speaker 2: eight years. They wouldn't allow her wealth. They made me
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Speaker 2: believe that they were bringing her to me. I waited
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Speaker 2: hours and she didn't turn up. So I actually made
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Speaker 2: an I nine nine call and said that my granddaughter
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Speaker 2: has been taken nap because obviously while they just remove
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Speaker 2: were told when she's got another you know, can go
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Speaker 2: to the family. You know, we wasn't informed. It wasn't
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Speaker 2: the police, didn't call. Social Services didn't call to say
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Speaker 2: that she's been going straight into postcare. That actually arranged
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Speaker 2: the foster care before they even got there. They arranged
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Speaker 2: for the police to meet them there. They didn't ask
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Speaker 2: my daughter any questions, which we because now we know
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Speaker 2: because we now have the police camcorders that show that
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Speaker 2: she actually beg the officers to test her for alcohol
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Speaker 2: and drugs there and then to stop them removing my
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Speaker 2: granddaughter that they refused and then told her that it'd
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Speaker 2: only be for one night, and so did the social
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Speaker 2: work up. They were just all saying, that's it. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's only for one night, it's only for one night.
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Speaker 2: And now she's actually been adopted. They've made an order
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Speaker 2: for adoption. So within the first fifteen hours of her removal,
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Speaker 2: they had ticked the box for adoption. And then what
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Speaker 2: I found when they removed my granddaughter. She had no injuries,
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Speaker 2: it stated on one of the police documents, no injuries
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Speaker 2: to my granddaughter. When five days later she was taken
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Speaker 2: to an in care doctor where she had a scratch
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Speaker 2: from her ear to her cheek, she had bruises on
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Speaker 2: her hips and fire and cut down her legs whilst
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Speaker 2: under police protection. And then from then on, every week
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Speaker 2: that I had contact, they kept her from her family
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Speaker 2: for three weeks. When I eventually saw her, she looked
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Speaker 2: like she'd been drugs and she also looked like she'd
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Speaker 2: been abused, so she had marks all over her.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So just just to stress a little bit of
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Speaker 1: this that without going into details, your daughter has had
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Speaker 1: some issues, but nothing connected with failure to look after
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Speaker 1: her daughter, your granddaughter, and that when.
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Speaker 2: The doctor said in her story, Brian, the doctor did
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Speaker 2: say in the report no signs of neglect.
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Speaker 1: Okay, right, So this is really important. So at the
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Speaker 1: time that your granddaughter is taken away from your daughter,
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Speaker 1: there's no signs of neglect, and there's no signs of
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Speaker 1: neglect recorded. But within a short space of time of
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Speaker 1: your granddaughter supposedly being taken into the child care system,
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Speaker 1: she's not only showing signs of some minor injuries, but
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Speaker 1: she's showing some other disturbing signs. Is that a reasonable summary.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. She couldn't speak, she couldn't live right.
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Speaker 1: And you've particularly you've talked to me about just noticing
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Speaker 1: that that when your granddaughter comes to see you, or
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Speaker 1: when you were able to see her, when she came
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Speaker 1: to you, she behaved in what you felt was an
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Speaker 1: unusual way.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. She was attending where it was the contact
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Speaker 2: centers we were going to, and every week she was
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Speaker 2: having bruises on her, especially in the nappy area that
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Speaker 2: appeared to be finger bruising. Two social workers independent social
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Speaker 2: workers started to speak out and even contacted the mash
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Speaker 2: Outbounds and said that she could not rule out sexual abuse.
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Speaker 2: It just falls on deaf. Nobody investigates, nobody does nothing,
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Speaker 2: and what I found through this journey and representing myself
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Speaker 2: in court was the counterfeit application form, the A one
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Speaker 2: ten sorry, the C one ten A application forms.
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Speaker 1: Okay, now, just explained to us what this form actually
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Speaker 1: is and the significance of when it was presented, when
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Speaker 1: it was used.
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Speaker 2: That's the application they use to take the children. I
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Speaker 2: think it's the IOP in IOP. Can't think what it's called. Sorry,
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Speaker 2: my mind's gone a bit blank. So basically, it's what
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Speaker 2: they used to take the children in the courts for
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Speaker 2: an interim care order and then follow on with replacement order.
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Speaker 2: So it's really to set that in place. So what
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Speaker 2: I found was is that their pages of their application
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Speaker 2: form were only eight pages long, but when I was
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Speaker 2: looking online at the application form, they were twenty two
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Speaker 2: pages long. So then I started getting suspicious. So then
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Speaker 2: I actually downloaded the twenty two pages and I put
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Speaker 2: it against the eight pages that they use and what
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Speaker 2: they print as their application form, and it was completely different.
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Speaker 2: And I did actually state this in court that you
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Speaker 2: know that this was how they were trafficking our children
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Speaker 2: through the courts, because for me, it's a counterfeit application forms.
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Speaker 2: And then obviously the police documents were also being falsified,
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Speaker 2: so wrong date of birth, say in the school were
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Speaker 2: in attendance, saying that she would have been removed through
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Speaker 2: sexual exploitation, which is what I believe how they were,
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Speaker 2: how they managed to go through in my daughter's phone
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Speaker 2: by using sexual exploitation. Okay, So with the police report
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Speaker 2: when they removed my granddaughter had the wrong day of birth,
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Speaker 2: it stated the school was there, and it stated that
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Speaker 2: she was removed due to sexual exp citation, which was untrue.
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Speaker 2: And any time you try to challenge this, you just
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Speaker 2: get shut down.
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Speaker 1: We'll add a little bit more depth to this. How
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Speaker 1: old is your granddaughter?
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Speaker 2: She was taken her twenty one month and she's now
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Speaker 2: two and a half.
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Speaker 1: Right, so we're talking about a very young a very
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Speaker 1: young child. And the story here is that the child
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Speaker 1: is fine when she's taken, but within a short space
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Speaker 1: of time there's clearly something happening, and you're you're watching that,
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Speaker 1: but you're also getting suspicious about the way the authorities
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Speaker 1: have acted and are acting around your granddaughter. And that
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Speaker 1: trail is also leading you to look at documentation which
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Speaker 1: your your analysis is coming to the conclusion that you've
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Speaker 1: got palsification of official child protection documents.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And also because the social worker was stating
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Speaker 2: that she'd done a children and family assessment, a children
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Speaker 2: and family assessment was never done. She also stated that
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Speaker 2: she did a sibling assessment that was never carried out.
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Speaker 2: So because of what they were saying, and because of
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Speaker 2: what they were saying, the reason is why she couldn't
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Speaker 2: come to me when I've never had any called or
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Speaker 2: anything with regards my parent in with my other two
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Speaker 2: grandchildren for the last day. This is all documented in
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Speaker 2: reports and from a social workers that used to work
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Speaker 2: at the council who then left. I wasn't allowed any
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Speaker 2: whistleblowers or allowed any witnesses in court because I wanted
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Speaker 2: this social worker to come forward because of what it
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Speaker 2: said me, which was please don't get involved in social services.
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Speaker 2: We're all leaving because they're asking us to do things
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Speaker 2: that we don't want to do. And when I said
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Speaker 2: this to the judge, I was still refused.
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Speaker 1: Juliet, how many from the time that your grand daughter
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Speaker 1: was taken, how many court cases have you actually attended?
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Speaker 2: Okay, so I tried to attend them in January, but
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Speaker 2: I was refused. I then kept applying that I kept
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Speaker 2: getting turned down. I went support I think it was
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Speaker 2: June to be made part to the proceedings. Again and
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Speaker 2: again I was turned down. It wasn't until about a
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Speaker 2: month later that they then allowed me to be joint party.
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Speaker 1: Right, And when these hearings were taking place, was your
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Speaker 1: daughter allowed to be in the proceedings or were they
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Speaker 1: or was it just you that was excluded or was
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Speaker 1: it mum and grand and the grandmother yourself excluded?
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Speaker 2: So at the time, my daughter was in prison due
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Speaker 2: to being arrested the next day after removing my daughter.
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Speaker 1: Removing your granddaughter.
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Speaker 2: You mean, because they removed my granddaughter and then my
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Speaker 2: daughter was arrested the next day. It triggered a recall
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Speaker 2: because my daughter was on license. Right, Okay, so she'd
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Speaker 2: been in prison with my granddaughter for eighteen months, no
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Speaker 2: concerns with her parents, in come to live with me
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Speaker 2: for a few weeks. Then she was put into emergency
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Speaker 2: housing in a hotel where she was being groomed by
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Speaker 2: the hotel's manager, where they were money laundry from her
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Speaker 2: as well taking money from her. And obviously I believe
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Speaker 2: the child trafficing attempt on three of my grandchildren were
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Speaker 2: covered up as well. The day before they removed my
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Speaker 2: granddaughters at that hotel, they were serveding vulnerable adult alcohol
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Speaker 2: in the hotel, which they're not allowed to serve alcohol tenants.
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Speaker 2: And they were also recording and videoing when it's not
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Speaker 2: even an approved premises, so it's not ap.
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Speaker 3: Approved, Okay.
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Speaker 1: So again I'm just going to try and emphasize the
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Speaker 1: situation for people. And I do this, Juliet because a
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Speaker 1: lot of people when they listen to these sorts of cases,
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Speaker 1: some of it's understandable, but a lot of people think, well,
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Speaker 1: there must be something that was going on. So it's
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Speaker 1: it's always important that in telling as much of the
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Speaker 1: story as we can, that were absolutely clear and accurate. So,
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Speaker 1: as I understand from what you've just said to me,
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Speaker 1: your daughter has had some problems and it ended up
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Speaker 1: in prison where she did have the youngest, your youngest
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Speaker 1: granddaughter with her. You'd already been looking after the two
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Speaker 1: older children, and you've told us that you had an
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Speaker 1: eight year track record, perfectly good eight year track record
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Speaker 1: of looking after those two children.
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Speaker 2: But your daughter and my granddaughter that's been taken, I
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Speaker 2: had her from their up until she was sixteen weeks too.
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Speaker 2: I reunited her with her mother in prison onto the
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Speaker 2: mother and baby unit.
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Speaker 3: All right, I see.
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Speaker 1: And then then your daughter comes out of prison and
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Speaker 1: she's given what presumably is described as approved accommodation. And
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Speaker 1: your key point here is that when your daughter, who
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Speaker 1: was clearly a vulnerable person, came into that accommodation, there
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Speaker 1: were things happening that, in a child protection sense, should
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Speaker 1: never have been happening.
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Speaker 2: Is that a yeah? And they admitted they should never
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Speaker 2: have put her into that hotel because she should never
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Speaker 2: have been in shed because of what she had already
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Speaker 2: been through through going through the care system herself, right, okay,
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Speaker 2: And that wasn't that wasn't due to my parent in
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Speaker 2: It was due to her putting herself at risk. She
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Speaker 2: is autistic, well, she's neary diversity. She does have her
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Speaker 2: problems and her understanding.
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Speaker 1: So we come to this key point that well, there's
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Speaker 1: another point that's emerged here, and that is, of course
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Speaker 1: that your daughter clearly needed help and support, and she
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Speaker 1: would look to social services and particularly child protection and
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Speaker 1: the police, since she's just come out of prison, to
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Speaker 1: provide that support. But that's absolutely not what she gets.
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Speaker 1: What actually takes place is that her later, her youngest
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Speaker 1: child is taken away from her, and then you, as
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Speaker 1: an experienced, as an experienced career or inverted Comma's mother
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Speaker 1: for your grandchildren, you see that that youngest child is
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Speaker 1: being abused within the care system itself.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, terrific every week. And then it was found also
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Speaker 2: that it was just when I was seeing her once
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Speaker 2: a week, it was actually being lockdown in the foster
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Speaker 2: care of records that she was also being armed during
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Speaker 2: the week as well. Okay, it's the needle marks as
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Speaker 2: well that were kept seeing in her just the way
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Speaker 2: she presented, didn't stand up, can't speak this and tourret
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Speaker 2: or disorientated. We took video for each other. We took
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Speaker 2: photos off the bruise in every week, and then we
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Speaker 2: were stopped. We were told what we had to sign
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Speaker 2: what I call a draconian on track to say that
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Speaker 2: I would not take my phone in there, I would
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Speaker 2: not try and change her nappy or try and take
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Speaker 2: any of the clothing off due to them telling me
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Speaker 2: that I was making militia allegations. But like I said,
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Speaker 2: I had two independent social workers that was also saying
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Speaker 2: they couldn't rule out the sexual abuse and that the
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Speaker 2: bruising were all in non accidental places, so we're talking
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Speaker 2: about her spine. He hit a five A nappy areas,
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Speaker 2: had a black eye. She's had injury to her head.
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Speaker 2: She's had a bite on her neck. She's had like
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Speaker 2: that appears to be a cigarette burn that they're telling
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Speaker 2: me that she caught on the hoover. I've been emailing
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Speaker 2: them for two to three weeks to get the name
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Speaker 2: of the hoover and the manufacturers so I could phone
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Speaker 2: them up. They would not allow her to go to hospital.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't allow her to be seen by a medical
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Speaker 2: doctor for the burn either. Or she's never had, ever
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Speaker 2: had a medical assessment for sexual abuse, and they were
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Speaker 2: the allegations that were being made. The doctor that looked
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Speaker 2: at her was only qualified to do CP medicals where
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Speaker 2: she should have had ASA medical and they all their
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Speaker 2: kids saying is we don't want to put her in
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Speaker 2: through intrusive medicals. Well, if you've just done a CP
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Speaker 2: medical with blood, why could you not have taken and
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Speaker 2: tested the blood to see if she's been having any
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Speaker 2: drugs or anything put into her? Because what has also
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Speaker 2: been found that her top teeth are rotting, so she's
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Speaker 2: got before, like at two years old, her teeth are
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Speaker 2: rotting at the top.
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Speaker 3: Right now.
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Speaker 2: That never normally happens with children at two years old.
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Speaker 2: She's always had even through prison, She's had organic food
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Speaker 2: as well, that was always delivered to the prison. She's
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Speaker 2: never you know, never drunk to water. It was always
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Speaker 2: filtered water. She had never had any of these problems
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Speaker 2: before she went into care. She's falling over, running into
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Speaker 2: things constantly. She never talks about anything, shoney. Yeah, she
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Speaker 2: doesn't talk about anything at all, not even the people
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Speaker 2: that she's She just started mentioning a few names the
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Speaker 2: other week and I started asking that who are these people?
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Speaker 2: And then I was told that she's been going to
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Speaker 2: the rest bite.
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Speaker 1: Juli, Can we clarify as much as we can where
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Speaker 1: your granddaughter has been because you've you've mentioned a foster care.
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Speaker 1: But if you're seen when you're talking about the times
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Speaker 1: you were able to see your granddaughter and you said
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Speaker 1: that you weren't able to or allowed to remove clothing,
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing that you were in some form of contact center,
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Speaker 1: was that correct?
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Speaker 2: Or yeah? Contact center where you'll find that the contact
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Speaker 2: center workers are also covering up the abuse to our children.
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Speaker 2: They don't log it down. They're meant to log any
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Speaker 2: bruising down, which was very rarely being lockdown. I was
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Speaker 2: taking notes in the end because I couldn't take my
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Speaker 2: phone in from June I think it was May June,
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Speaker 2: and them the notes that I were making were meant
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Speaker 2: to be sent straight to the local authority, and they wasn't.
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Speaker 2: One of the supervisors was just filing them at the
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Speaker 2: contact center.
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Speaker 1: Right, okay, And and you've you've also said, and I
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Speaker 1: think it's a very important point that that the independent
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Speaker 1: social workers that were working with you did also express concerns.
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Speaker 3: Is that correct?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? They did, Yeah, yeah, they did. And one of
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Speaker 2: the social workers wrote to the courts as well, because
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Speaker 2: she actually investigated us, the careme and of the careers.
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Speaker 2: So she had, you know, a lot of years of
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Speaker 2: experience into this and knew and she used to teach police,
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Speaker 2: she used to teach doctors, she used to teach social
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Speaker 2: workers what to look for within bruising with children, impostaca.
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Speaker 1: So when you see that your granddaughter has got these
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Speaker 1: bruises and bites and marks, and it's clear to you
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Speaker 1: at least that she is being abused, Yeah, who do
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Speaker 1: you approach to try and say we need to do
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Speaker 1: something about this. Which are the authorities did you talk to?
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Speaker 2: I spoke to obviously the local authority, and I also
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Speaker 2: spoke to the police. That the police refuse to take
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Speaker 2: a statement and also refused to look at any hardcourse
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Speaker 2: to my granddaughter. That's actually on videos that can be
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Speaker 2: found on YouTube with the officer refusing to take any
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Speaker 2: evidence or even to sit me down and take a
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Speaker 2: statement from of the harm that was happening to my granddaughter.
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Speaker 2: So we had to go out of our own police
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Speaker 2: force and we went to Metropolitan Police on the main land,
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Speaker 2: who then gave us to the crime number on a
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Speaker 2: card with neglect and child abuse written on it and
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Speaker 2: just sayd if it was if she was in there area,
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Speaker 2: they would have gone and got her out, but they
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Speaker 2: could not step in to the other police force. I've
24:29
Speaker 2: also been to multiple other police forces, and I've also
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Speaker 2: been to the military to us for help.
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Speaker 1: Okay, And this is an incredible situation, again against the
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Speaker 1: backdrop that the government says that child abuse is the
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Speaker 1: or child protection is the most important subject. And currently
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Speaker 1: in the background we've got a debate happening about it
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Speaker 1: becoming law that anybody coming across child abuse is obliged
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Speaker 1: to report it. But here you are going to the
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Speaker 1: police to say, and you're going with evidence to say
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Speaker 1: that a very young child is clearly being abused or
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Speaker 1: at least being badly neglected, depending on what the evidence
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Speaker 1: space is. But the local police refuse to act. And
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Speaker 1: then when you take it to a higher authority, if
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Speaker 1: you like in the police, the Metropolitan Police, they do
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Speaker 1: at least give you a crime number, but they then say, well,
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Speaker 1: we can't act because it's in the hands of another
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Speaker 1: police force. This is for me, this is truly outrageous
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Speaker 1: because it shows that the idea that there's a child
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Speaker 1: protection system running in the UK is a complete nonsense.
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Speaker 3: Nothing of the sort is happening.
25:57
Speaker 2: And place, and the child police, sorry, the child protection officers,
26:02
Speaker 2: are covering up the child sex abuse, all the abuse
26:05
Speaker 2: on our children. And that is the evidence that I
26:08
Speaker 2: have through their own police can of stopping an ambulance
26:14
Speaker 2: come in when my granddaughter have multiple bruises in an area,
26:20
Speaker 2: but also she had a massive bruise where it looked
26:23
Speaker 2: like a veins of glass where she'd had a needle
26:25
Speaker 2: put into her hands, and you could clearly see the
26:28
Speaker 2: needles being put into her hands.
26:31
Speaker 1: Right, did you say that the police stopped an ambulance coming.
26:35
Speaker 1: Did I hear that correctly?
26:37
Speaker 2: So the team leader, So the team leader of social
26:41
Speaker 2: services and the police stop the ambulance come in, stated
26:46
Speaker 2: that the doctor had looked at the phototograph, that they
26:50
Speaker 2: had taken photographs of my granddaughter and sent them to
26:53
Speaker 2: the doctor. They've been looked at and the doctors said
26:57
Speaker 2: there was no concern. We later found out that the
27:01
Speaker 2: doctor never stated that, so that she could not diagnose
27:04
Speaker 2: for a photograph and sent them diagrams of non accidental
27:10
Speaker 2: places which were all on my granddaughter that day. But
27:13
Speaker 2: the officer turned around and said that it's spoken her
27:17
Speaker 2: and that it was fine for my granddaughter to go
27:19
Speaker 2: back to camp.
27:21
Speaker 1: Right, So you've already talked about falsification of documentation around
27:28
Speaker 1: the protection or of your granddaughter, and now we've got
27:32
Speaker 1: we've got the police and others basically lying over conversations
27:42
Speaker 1: with medical professionals over injuries to a very young child.
27:48
Speaker 2: And doctors. The doctors are actually well, they were under investigation,
27:52
Speaker 2: and I'm waiting to hear from the GMC to whether
27:55
Speaker 2: they're they're open the inquiry that they were meant to
27:59
Speaker 2: let me know by now whether they are open an
28:01
Speaker 2: investigation on the freeing care doctors because their reports don't
28:06
Speaker 2: match any of the evidence that I have photographic evidence.
28:13
Speaker 1: Juliette, you correct me if I've got this wrong. But
28:16
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm trying to think as somebody might think.
28:20
Speaker 1: They're in the audience, they're watching, they're listening this, and
28:24
Speaker 1: they don't really have any knowledge of the child protection system.
28:29
Speaker 1: But the child protection system as it's set up at
28:32
Speaker 1: the moment is based through the local authorities. So it's
28:36
Speaker 1: clearly it's usually a part of social services, but child
28:43
Speaker 1: the child protection teams are usually a separate unit within
28:51
Speaker 1: what is the social service system, and they operate in
28:56
Speaker 1: a highly secretive manner because they hold on a child
29:02
Speaker 1: case is all held under data protection, and not even
29:10
Speaker 1: officers or elected members of their own council are able
29:17
Speaker 1: to see documentation and information relating to the child's protection
29:25
Speaker 1: services that that local authority is actually providing. So I'd
29:30
Speaker 1: say that again, the local authority provides the child protection
29:35
Speaker 1: teams and service, but not even the elected members of
29:40
Speaker 1: the council can go and examine what their own child
29:45
Speaker 1: protection teams are doing.
29:47
Speaker 2: I do believe that the council controls place, the judges, solicitors,
29:54
Speaker 2: the barristers.
29:55
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I'm not surprised you've said that to me,
29:58
Speaker 1: So I'll add another the thing because earlier on you
30:01
Speaker 1: mentioned MASH and that's probably a term which a lot
30:05
Speaker 1: of people won't know. MASH stands for the Multi Agency
30:09
Speaker 1: Support Support Hub and this is an organizational setup which
30:17
Speaker 1: was sold to the wider public as in order to
30:22
Speaker 1: protect children. It was very important that all the agencies
30:27
Speaker 1: that had an obligation to assist with the protection of
30:34
Speaker 1: children that they should work in a more coordinated way
30:39
Speaker 1: because in the past there have been terrible cases where
30:42
Speaker 1: children have been abused because one authority didn't realize what
30:47
Speaker 1: was happening to a family. For example, the social services
30:52
Speaker 1: didn't know what was happening and they didn't talk to
30:54
Speaker 1: the police properly, and therefore the child fell through the
30:59
Speaker 1: protect So they created the multi Agency support huber rag arrangements.
31:07
Speaker 1: But to my mind, the danger of this system was
31:10
Speaker 1: that you then had all of these teams working together
31:17
Speaker 1: in a partnership. So they meet together, they create records
31:24
Speaker 1: on cases together, but there is no separation of powers.
31:28
Speaker 1: And to me, this is particularly important with the police
31:31
Speaker 1: because instead of the police being independent of not only
31:36
Speaker 1: the family concerned, but also the authorities, the child protection
31:42
Speaker 1: authorities themselves, the police have become drawn in to this
31:48
Speaker 1: partnership or cabal or throw that word in deliberately, which
31:53
Speaker 1: claims it's protecting children. And what you are saying by
31:58
Speaker 1: mentioning the courts is is to say that that when
32:03
Speaker 1: you see the child's protection system working through the courts,
32:10
Speaker 1: the same failures and malpractices that exist at a local
32:15
Speaker 1: authority level also exist within the family court system itself.
32:22
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and in the High Court of Justice as well,
32:26
Speaker 2: So even when you're looking at the King's Bench as well,
32:29
Speaker 2: it's running very deep with all of the courts.
32:34
Speaker 1: Okay, And can you give us an example as to
32:37
Speaker 1: what you mean by that and why why would you
32:41
Speaker 1: need to go to the King's Bench if you've been
32:44
Speaker 1: if you've got access to the family court system in
32:47
Speaker 1: order to try and protect your granddaughter.
32:52
Speaker 2: Okay, Because in the lower court I wasn't being listened to.
33:00
Speaker 2: I requested multiple times for my granddaughter to be seen
33:03
Speaker 2: by an expert and for us to get forensic expert
33:07
Speaker 2: reports which I was refused every time, and every bit
33:14
Speaker 2: of evidence I had was just shoved under the carpet.
33:17
Speaker 2: So even when perjury was committed in court, it was
33:21
Speaker 2: just all shoved under the carpet. Even though I was
33:23
Speaker 2: showing with factual evidence, it was just shoved under the
33:28
Speaker 2: carpet and ignored.
33:31
Speaker 1: Okay, and these lower courts, the family court system. An
33:37
Speaker 1: important thing which I say in every interview to do
33:40
Speaker 1: with the family courts is, of course you are simply
33:43
Speaker 1: there in front of a judge. There is no jury,
33:47
Speaker 1: there's usually no press, and there are very very draconian
33:52
Speaker 1: reporting restrictions.
33:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I basically was threatened as well that if
34:00
Speaker 2: I put anything out or anything like that, I could
34:03
Speaker 2: go to prison. But you get to a point where
34:10
Speaker 2: you stay silent and your children are suffering. The worst
34:15
Speaker 2: point I mean is torture. And it's not just me.
34:21
Speaker 2: There's thousands, probably millions across the world that are going
34:25
Speaker 2: for exactly the same thing right now with the courts
34:28
Speaker 2: of their children being tortured and everything else. But we're
34:34
Speaker 2: just not listening to And I can't stay silent because
34:40
Speaker 2: if we stay silent, then what's going to happen to
34:43
Speaker 2: our children going forward, our future generation.
34:47
Speaker 3: Yes.
34:48
Speaker 1: And the other thing that goes with this is that
34:51
Speaker 1: it's clear from the statistics of the number of children
34:57
Speaker 1: taken into care there was a huge surge during COVID,
35:01
Speaker 1: for example, when that lockdown caused a lot of families
35:05
Speaker 1: big problems, and there was a huge increase in the
35:09
Speaker 1: number of children taken by child protection teams. But we
35:16
Speaker 1: are into somewhere around seventy so I think the figure
35:19
Speaker 1: is now seventy seventy five thousand children inside the care system.
35:25
Speaker 1: And the evidence from distraught parents and grandparents is that
35:31
Speaker 1: this is not the child protection system it claims to be,
35:34
Speaker 1: because many of the children are clearly being abused within
35:39
Speaker 1: that protection system itself.
35:42
Speaker 2: And they're also being taken for no reason from loving homes.
35:47
Speaker 2: And you know, they can't just say, oh, well, we
35:52
Speaker 2: don't think she'll cope, because you've got to have children
35:54
Speaker 2: are about my experience, and that's exactly what they said,
35:58
Speaker 2: we don't think this shall cope. But yeah, I coped
36:00
Speaker 2: with her as a newborn baby, which I find is
36:03
Speaker 2: more hard work because you're up probably every minute, probably
36:06
Speaker 2: every hour on the hour, and your body hasn't got
36:09
Speaker 2: ready to even do that yet. I showed them that
36:13
Speaker 2: I coped, so I don't see why they could even
36:15
Speaker 2: turn around and say that. I mean, they went to
36:20
Speaker 2: the doctors and they they got up when I took
36:24
Speaker 2: my daughter when this first happened, I took my teenage
36:27
Speaker 2: a daughter because she was having really bad pain in
36:30
Speaker 2: her heart and I knew it was because of my
36:34
Speaker 2: granddaughter being Nathan so she's not the mum, should be Auntie.
36:39
Speaker 2: So this is my younger daughter's. We have six children
36:41
Speaker 2: and eleven grandchildren and this is obviously my first granddaughter
36:45
Speaker 2: that's ever been adopted. And there's nothing I can do
36:49
Speaker 2: to stop it. A line. I don't know how they're
36:56
Speaker 2: allowed to do this, and the hell they can abuse
37:00
Speaker 2: our children like this and put them at such risks,
37:06
Speaker 2: and even the photo on the adoption PLIC application form
37:12
Speaker 2: shared a black ey and injury. For now, I know
37:16
Speaker 2: that the local authority owns the adoption agency as well,
37:20
Speaker 2: what's supposed to call them BASS one of the big
37:23
Speaker 2: largest adoptions in the UK, and they told me that
37:29
Speaker 2: the local authority by their applications from them. And when
37:38
Speaker 2: I tried to obviously I've tried to appeal the decision,
37:43
Speaker 2: but I was told that I cannot appeal and it's final,
37:51
Speaker 2: and there's no way of getting it to the Supreme
37:54
Speaker 2: because you can't represent yourself there, and nobody's things that
38:00
Speaker 2: nobody can take on my case because I've got so
38:03
Speaker 2: much evidence, and that seems to be the case. They're
38:06
Speaker 2: too scared to take it on because I have evidence
38:09
Speaker 2: from beginning to end of what they've done.
38:15
Speaker 1: Sorry, though you shouldn't apologize. You mustn't apologize, Juliet, because
38:22
Speaker 1: one of the things that I should say to you,
38:25
Speaker 1: and the audience should hear me say to you, is
38:27
Speaker 1: that I'm always stunned. Actually, how composed moms, Well you're
38:33
Speaker 1: a grandmom, but how composed you can stay when you
38:41
Speaker 1: are dealing with something as heart wrenching, heartbreaking as having
38:47
Speaker 1: not only having a child taken away from your family
38:52
Speaker 1: from that caring environment, but the child is put in
38:58
Speaker 1: the hands of other people. You don't even know who
39:00
Speaker 1: they are, you don't know what their values are, and
39:05
Speaker 1: then you discover that your child is being hurt supposedly
39:09
Speaker 1: within their care.
39:12
Speaker 3: This is a.
39:12
Speaker 1: Form, this is a form of torture as far as
39:15
Speaker 1: I'm concerned, and I am amazed at how composed many
39:19
Speaker 1: of the mums can be when they and there's fathers
39:22
Speaker 1: as well, so we'll say parents. But how composed you
39:26
Speaker 1: can stay stay when this is happening.
39:29
Speaker 2: I think it's because we know that we have to
39:31
Speaker 2: stay strong because if we go down then it's going
39:34
Speaker 2: to be fighting.
39:35
Speaker 1: Then well, this is important, isn't it, Because staying strong
39:41
Speaker 1: has got two benefits. Is one, staying strong means that
39:44
Speaker 1: you can continue to function yourself and fight for your
39:48
Speaker 1: child or your grandchild. And staying strong is also important
39:54
Speaker 1: because if you're composed as you are, I think you're
39:58
Speaker 1: doing a fantastic job and you're telling the story as
40:03
Speaker 1: to what's happened in a very measured way. This comes
40:06
Speaker 1: across much better with the public because it's something that
40:11
Speaker 1: I've found very surprising over the years when I've been
40:14
Speaker 1: trying to help some of the families report these terrible
40:17
Speaker 1: abuses of the United Kingdom's so called child protection system.
40:25
Speaker 1: That you know, families, if they get emotional, too emotional,
40:32
Speaker 1: quite a few people in the audience simply turn off
40:35
Speaker 1: because they can't cope with it. That might not be
40:38
Speaker 1: a sort of they don't mean it in an unkind way.
40:42
Speaker 1: It's just they can't cope with the emotion, yeah, because
40:46
Speaker 1: it hurts. And so for the families, they're faced with
40:50
Speaker 1: this terrible, this terrible sort of problem. You've got an
40:57
Speaker 1: incredibly emotional, damaging story which you're trying to get out,
41:02
Speaker 1: but you've got to tell it in a way where
41:04
Speaker 1: you stay very controlled and measured, and that can be
41:07
Speaker 1: pretty hard to do.
41:09
Speaker 2: As you've just when you're being threatened, you know, we
41:14
Speaker 2: don't we don't just get to live and be able
41:19
Speaker 2: and speak out about our children. Were also being threatened
41:22
Speaker 2: by the so called people that are meant to protect
41:27
Speaker 2: us and protect our children. So you're also getting that
41:31
Speaker 2: you're getting threatened. You're getting people sent around your home
41:37
Speaker 2: that won't give their names, that won't speak. As soon
41:41
Speaker 2: as I record everything, you know, they come to my house,
41:45
Speaker 2: I record them. If they don't want to come in
41:46
Speaker 2: my house because I'm recording, don't come in my house.
41:49
Speaker 2: It's my right to record everything, and I suggest, you know,
41:53
Speaker 2: I would say that to anybody that is having anything
41:57
Speaker 2: to do with these kinds of people, to record everything.
42:00
Speaker 1: Julia, as you've been fighting your case, if you have
42:05
Speaker 1: come into contact with.
42:07
Speaker 3: A lot of other mum's parents.
42:10
Speaker 1: Who've also are also embroiled in battles with child protection services.
42:17
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit obviously, you know,
42:21
Speaker 1: not to portray confidences. Are those parents that you've been
42:26
Speaker 1: able to speak to, But in general terms, what have
42:30
Speaker 1: you discovered by coming into contact with the other parents?
42:38
Speaker 2: Most parents are going through very similar stag It seems
42:47
Speaker 2: to be that everybody is going through the same thing
42:50
Speaker 2: that their children are being harmed. Most of the people
42:53
Speaker 2: that I'm talking to, most of their children have been
42:56
Speaker 2: harmed in care, you know. And even before this happened,
43:00
Speaker 2: I used to speak to parents because of what had
43:02
Speaker 2: happened with my grandchildren back in twenty sixteen, and I
43:07
Speaker 2: wanted to make sure no one else at the sample
43:09
Speaker 2: like I did then back then, because I had a
43:14
Speaker 2: seal judgment that proved false adoption exists, but it was
43:20
Speaker 2: suppressed in the court. It wasn't allowed to come out.
43:25
Speaker 2: But then they used that in my other case from
43:29
Speaker 2: my other granddaughter and trying to use that against me.
43:33
Speaker 2: Even so, there was a sealed judgment stating the local
43:38
Speaker 2: authority had lied, made fabricated lies up and was deceitful
43:43
Speaker 2: to try and get my other two grandchildren adopted. So
43:47
Speaker 2: I think this is where I got my strength. So
43:50
Speaker 2: I look at that experience in my life as a
43:53
Speaker 2: blessing for now, because it gave me the strength to
43:56
Speaker 2: be able to get through now.
43:58
Speaker 1: Okay, And those other parents that you've come into contact with,
44:04
Speaker 1: they would you say they're seeing the same things in
44:08
Speaker 1: the system that you see. Do they experience the same
44:11
Speaker 1: problems with say paper.
44:13
Speaker 2: Definitely, everybody's having the same experiences and the same judges.
44:19
Speaker 2: It's the same judges that are always coming up, that
44:23
Speaker 2: are turning down appeals and that are covering up the hearts.
44:28
Speaker 1: Yes, this is something that I've heard, and some of
44:32
Speaker 1: the people who will listen to this interview will know
44:34
Speaker 1: that I've recently done interviews. Well, particular series of interviews
44:40
Speaker 1: I did with a lady called sam Nas who'd had
44:44
Speaker 1: her two children taken away from her undercompletely false pretenses.
44:51
Speaker 1: Those children are now in a location where she is
44:55
Speaker 1: not to know where the children are and she has
44:58
Speaker 1: no right to see her childrenildren at all. That's that's
45:03
Speaker 1: one into you have done. But over the years, there
45:05
Speaker 1: have been many families that all describe the same procedure
45:09
Speaker 1: of the children being taken without any real evidence of
45:14
Speaker 1: harm against the children. But once the children are in
45:18
Speaker 1: the possession of the so called child protection system, the
45:22
Speaker 1: family court system, they have absolutely no power to overturn
45:29
Speaker 1: the process that the local authority in the family court
45:34
Speaker 1: system throws at them. And I'll just add, yeah, and
45:39
Speaker 1: just before I can just come back to you, Julia
45:44
Speaker 1: is and what's the other thing is the you know,
45:48
Speaker 1: the other key thing is that as you get larger
45:51
Speaker 1: groups of families that have suffered under this system, they
45:57
Speaker 1: invariably start to talk about the fact that they had
46:00
Speaker 1: the same social work, The same social worker that was
46:04
Speaker 1: involved in dirty dealings in one case is involved in
46:08
Speaker 1: their case, or the same judge that closed down irrefutable
46:14
Speaker 1: evidence that the family's case was correct, that same judge
46:20
Speaker 1: pops up in other cases. It's like a closed shop,
46:24
Speaker 1: is how some of them have described.
46:26
Speaker 3: It to me.
46:29
Speaker 2: I think, because when when a judge makes an order
46:34
Speaker 2: and then you put in other applications to have that
46:37
Speaker 2: order revoked, it's meant to go when you put your applications,
46:40
Speaker 2: and it's actually meant to go to another judge. In
46:42
Speaker 2: my case, it went back to the same judge. That's
46:48
Speaker 2: actually done what that I put in for covering up,
46:53
Speaker 2: yes and committing perjury within the port itself.
46:58
Speaker 1: Well, that's a very interesting word to use because in
47:02
Speaker 1: the very and I pick up on it because in
47:05
Speaker 1: the very early days when I was working to try
47:09
Speaker 1: and help, they were mothers who were involved in cases
47:14
Speaker 1: where their children were being taken. I was able to
47:18
Speaker 1: go with a mother as a McKenzie friend. So I
47:23
Speaker 1: did get into the family court hearing as a McKenzie friend,
47:27
Speaker 1: and on one occasion, the local authority produced a statement
47:33
Speaker 1: in court that I'd apparently attempted to break into a
47:39
Speaker 1: local contact center. At the time they claimed I'd done this,
47:44
Speaker 1: I was one hundred and sixty miles away, surrounded by
47:49
Speaker 1: a minimum of six witnesses as to what my location was.
47:54
Speaker 1: And when I subsequently challenged the judge he and said
48:00
Speaker 1: that it was perjury. I said what had been done
48:02
Speaker 1: was perjury because it was a deliberately false written statement.
48:07
Speaker 1: He smirked at me, he laughed at me and said
48:11
Speaker 1: that he rather thought it was a mistake. And so
48:15
Speaker 1: that was my personal experience of experiencing what I regard
48:21
Speaker 1: as an abuse of power within a closed family court
48:26
Speaker 1: that many people call a star chamber because there's simply
48:30
Speaker 1: one judge, and that judge becomes apparent to themselves in
48:36
Speaker 1: a closed court.
48:39
Speaker 2: And I also found that there's no signature when the
48:42
Speaker 2: judge makes the orders. There's no signature on these orders.
48:48
Speaker 2: And as we know that the council are the ones
48:51
Speaker 2: that are actually drawing up all these orders anyway, and
48:58
Speaker 2: that's what I was, I was representing myself. And then
49:05
Speaker 2: obviously we had documentation from this solicitor rehearsing with family
49:13
Speaker 2: solicitors that are meant to be representing parents and the
49:17
Speaker 2: children stating in an email that welcome on board this
49:22
Speaker 2: one's mind. That email was sent to us by a mistake.
49:27
Speaker 2: It was meant to go to another obviously email address.
49:31
Speaker 1: And when they said this one is mine, were they
49:34
Speaker 1: talking about the case or were they talking about the child?
49:38
Speaker 2: No, this was again it was Data Protection Act broken
49:44
Speaker 2: on on other children. And this is what I found
49:47
Speaker 2: all through our court bundles, at five other children's names
49:52
Speaker 2: has been mentioned instead of my granddaughters names, So they
49:56
Speaker 2: were using different names where they're just copying and pasting
50:01
Speaker 2: in these reports.
50:03
Speaker 1: So let me let me ask you. You're fighting this
50:07
Speaker 1: incredibly unequal battle where you can't go to any of
50:10
Speaker 1: the authorities which any normal, normal or uninformed person would
50:16
Speaker 1: turn to, the to the very agencies that you're fighting.
50:20
Speaker 1: The average person would automatically turn to the police for
50:24
Speaker 1: help or or child protection teams for help. But you
50:28
Speaker 1: are experiencing perjury, lies, falsified documents, cover ups, refusal to
50:37
Speaker 1: help even when a child is being abused by those
50:42
Speaker 1: various systems. What about when you've or have you Let's
50:46
Speaker 1: ask it a good question. Have you tried to take
50:50
Speaker 1: your case too? For example, your local.
50:53
Speaker 2: MP, Yeah, two MP that's obviously left now, and then
51:02
Speaker 2: obviously the new MP's not got back in touch with me.
51:04
Speaker 2: They asked me a couple of questions. I sent them
51:07
Speaker 2: the evidence because you can't get away from forensic ever,
51:11
Speaker 2: can you. So I sent them that with a breakdown
51:14
Speaker 2: of what's happened, and I just haven't heard anything back.
51:19
Speaker 3: And that's not uncommon.
51:20
Speaker 2: Even your MPs aren't even helping. I mean the first
51:24
Speaker 2: MP that was being told everything, he just basically dismissed everything. Yes, again,
51:31
Speaker 2: so you're not you're going there's nobody that you can
51:34
Speaker 2: actually go to. And that's what we're all finding there
51:36
Speaker 2: is nobody out there to protect our children and listen
51:40
Speaker 2: to our parents, which is why we were calling for
51:44
Speaker 2: again a public inquiry into the la care system and
51:48
Speaker 2: the court that it has to happen.
51:51
Speaker 1: And we're now at the heart of the system because
51:55
Speaker 1: what you are describing is that the child protections system
52:00
Speaker 1: in UK, which claims it's there to protect any and
52:04
Speaker 1: every child, is not only fling failing in its duty
52:09
Speaker 1: to protect children, it's actually involved in the abuse of children.
52:16
Speaker 1: And it fur the more elements of that child protection
52:19
Speaker 1: system are covering or deliberately covering up the abuse of children.
52:24
Speaker 1: So we're now into criminal activity within the verial authorities
52:30
Speaker 1: that claim they are there to protect children.
52:34
Speaker 2: Exactly. And this is why I said the PLA and
52:38
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not saying it slightly that I believe
52:43
Speaker 2: that this is a child trafficking pedrofile network that we're
52:48
Speaker 2: dealing with. I think there's two sides to social services.
52:54
Speaker 2: I think you'll get the poster carers where they're not
52:57
Speaker 2: being abused, and then they get into another to social
53:00
Speaker 2: services where they're actually taken because they're targeted and they
53:04
Speaker 2: know the children that they are going to abusing.
53:07
Speaker 1: Care let's stress as well, and I think you will
53:10
Speaker 1: agree with this that whilst we're describing some really vile
53:15
Speaker 1: activity within the child protection system and by social services,
53:21
Speaker 1: it's clear that not everybody is involved in this. And
53:27
Speaker 1: I'm going to stress the UK column has done two
53:31
Speaker 1: key interviews with ladies who were within social services who
53:37
Speaker 1: stood up to call out the sort of abuses that
53:40
Speaker 1: you're talking about, Juliet, and they were threatened and hounded
53:47
Speaker 1: and silenced, and the UK column has told their story.
53:50
Speaker 3: So for anybody thinking, oh, well.
53:52
Speaker 1: This can't be true because they're not all bad, the
53:56
Speaker 1: answer is no, they are not all bad. But even
53:59
Speaker 1: when that where members of social services and child protection
54:03
Speaker 1: teams attempt to protect children, they can be viciously attacked
54:11
Speaker 1: and warned off and silenced in order to one would
54:15
Speaker 1: presume keep these child abuse rings operational.
54:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the thing is is within our own system.
54:27
Speaker 2: They kept within our own systems. And so life with
54:31
Speaker 2: my granddaughter. The findings were that when she was being
54:35
Speaker 2: taken to the contact center, she wasn't having any bruising
54:40
Speaker 2: or anything like that before, but when she was going
54:43
Speaker 2: back that's when it was all being long, which is
54:46
Speaker 2: why I was being accused of blaming the poster Carer.
54:49
Speaker 2: But I never once that it was the poster Cara.
54:52
Speaker 2: I just knew it was somebody within the system.
54:56
Speaker 3: Ju. Yeah, what would you say.
54:58
Speaker 1: A lot of people in the country at the moment,
55:02
Speaker 1: they've got very excited over the fact that child abuse
55:07
Speaker 1: is something to do with Asian abuse gangs, And the
55:11
Speaker 1: only thing we should be worried about in the country
55:14
Speaker 1: is where Asian, largely Asian men have been abusing children.
55:21
Speaker 1: You've seen the whole system in rather the abuse the
55:25
Speaker 1: abusive system in rather a different way. What would you
55:28
Speaker 1: say to people that are maybe sitting at home thinking, well, well,
55:34
Speaker 1: I thought all the abuse was being carried out by
55:38
Speaker 1: Asian men in specific towns.
55:42
Speaker 2: Well, I've never believed that anyway. I'm not saying it
55:45
Speaker 2: doesn't I'm not saying I don't believe that they're doing that.
55:49
Speaker 2: I don't believe it's all Asian men. It's it's all
55:53
Speaker 2: walks of life, the ones, especially the people that we
55:57
Speaker 2: trust the most. We're talking police officers high up in
56:01
Speaker 2: the place. We're talking about all their child protection, of
56:04
Speaker 2: which is who I have evidence on. You're talking dotted
56:09
Speaker 2: social work, you know, so it's all the ones that
56:13
Speaker 2: you trust the most.
56:16
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a key thing.
56:17
Speaker 1: And the other thing is that over the years that
56:21
Speaker 1: this abuse within the protection systems themselves has been taking
56:25
Speaker 1: a place. Is true to say that for the vast
56:30
Speaker 1: majority of that time, the people who were actually controlling
56:34
Speaker 1: the child protection system were white, the judges were white.
56:39
Speaker 1: And yet surprisingly within that system it was clear that
56:46
Speaker 1: horrific abuses of children have been carried out over a
56:49
Speaker 1: great many years. We've seen we've seen the cases everywhere
56:54
Speaker 1: in UK.
56:54
Speaker 3: But of course we.
56:56
Speaker 1: Could mention Jimmy Saville, or we could talk about the
56:59
Speaker 1: North Wales children's homes, or we could talk about what's
57:03
Speaker 1: been happening in Scotland or the herorific abuses of children
57:07
Speaker 1: in children's homes across the country, Nottingham for example. So
57:13
Speaker 1: under that established system, the people not only that were
57:18
Speaker 1: abusing the children and the people in control of the
57:22
Speaker 1: system that protected those abuses were white. But it is
57:27
Speaker 1: remarkable that all of a sudden we seem to have
57:30
Speaker 1: a media in the country that wants to give everybody
57:35
Speaker 1: impression that the only people who are abusing and organizing
57:38
Speaker 1: the abuse of children are Asians.
57:42
Speaker 2: But that's to separate the people, isn't it? This is
57:45
Speaker 2: you know, it's just separation as far as I can
57:48
Speaker 2: see it, because I know, I know Asian people when
57:51
Speaker 2: they're amazing people. They're good and bad in everybody, regardless
57:56
Speaker 2: of our colors, you know. And I'm not saying that
57:59
Speaker 2: everybody is bad within the place, or within social services
58:03
Speaker 2: or even with the judges, because there are good people
58:06
Speaker 2: out there that are trying to break through it as well.
58:10
Speaker 1: And I will mention this it's a heavy subject, but
58:15
Speaker 1: it's a very important subject. And that is that as
58:18
Speaker 1: I began to understand myself what this system of child
58:24
Speaker 1: abuse was about, a man with considerable experience because he'd
58:30
Speaker 1: been abused as a child himself and many of his
58:33
Speaker 1: siblings had been abused in different parts of the care system.
58:39
Speaker 1: And I can remember very clearly in saying to me,
58:42
Speaker 1: the thing you've got to remember, Brian, is that this
58:49
Speaker 1: addiction to abuse of children means that you're going to
58:53
Speaker 1: be looking for where the children are. It's if you
58:57
Speaker 1: like sweets, you're going to visit the sweetie shop, and
59:01
Speaker 1: so wherever children are being brought together, particularly where children
59:05
Speaker 1: are being brought into an environment where they can be
59:12
Speaker 1: taken off. We'll call it dark corners, but they're out
59:17
Speaker 1: of sight of people who would really protect them, their children,
59:22
Speaker 1: or family and friends, or decent members of the public,
59:26
Speaker 1: people who would protect them. You take children into a
59:29
Speaker 1: system where the public can't see those children, and that's
59:33
Speaker 1: when they become most vulnerable. So people shouldn't be surprised
59:38
Speaker 1: that it's actually emerging that it's the child protection its
59:43
Speaker 1: system itself that helps facilitate the abuse because children can't
59:48
Speaker 1: be seen to be safe within that system. I'm not
59:53
Speaker 1: sure I've explained.
59:54
Speaker 3: That very well.
59:55
Speaker 1: Have I captured what you see?
1:00:00
Speaker 2: Yeah? And especially like with babies that can't speak, that
1:00:04
Speaker 2: can't speak out for themselves.
1:00:07
Speaker 1: What what about the press, Juliet, Have you had any
1:00:11
Speaker 1: help from mainstream I don't want to.
1:00:13
Speaker 2: Know, because no, you can't. You can't even get a
1:00:16
Speaker 2: journalist to even report on it. I think they're scared.
1:00:22
Speaker 2: I think because they're scared of being held in contempt
1:00:24
Speaker 2: of court as well, because this was this is what
1:00:28
Speaker 2: a lot of them were saying, that they can also
1:00:30
Speaker 2: be held in contempt of court for speaking about your caste.
1:00:34
Speaker 2: So really is stopping everybody from being able to get
1:00:38
Speaker 2: the truth out there with certain journalists. But I do
1:00:43
Speaker 2: find that the media will corrupt anyway.
1:00:46
Speaker 1: So right, But you know, it's quite a statement you've made.
1:00:51
Speaker 1: I thoroughly agree with you. But if we live in
1:00:54
Speaker 1: a country where where the press and the TV media
1:01:00
Speaker 1: can't speak out on the subject of child protection, that
1:01:04
Speaker 1: they can't expose the abuse of children, we are not
1:01:09
Speaker 1: living in a democracy. We're not only living in a
1:01:13
Speaker 1: controlled state a dictatorship. We're actually living in a dictatorship
1:01:18
Speaker 1: that approves of the abuse of children because it covers it.
1:01:25
Speaker 2: Up exactly exactly, And that's exactly what's happening, isn't it.
1:01:31
Speaker 1: Yes, that is what's happening.
1:01:34
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, how far do we have
1:01:37
Speaker 2: to go? You know, because believe me, we're not the
1:01:40
Speaker 2: only ones. They're coming for all our children. And I
1:01:42
Speaker 2: do feel like that because it's getting into that stage
1:01:46
Speaker 2: now where, like I said, they're just going into people's houses,
1:01:50
Speaker 2: kicking their doors in and removing their children. Some of
1:01:53
Speaker 2: these parents haven't even got papers, that haven't been and
1:01:58
Speaker 2: they've still got their children.
1:02:01
Speaker 3: This is absolutely true.
1:02:02
Speaker 2: I mean, my daughter is in court on neglect charges,
1:02:06
Speaker 2: even though the CPS said that there is nothing to
1:02:09
Speaker 2: charge her on and now she's going to be in
1:02:12
Speaker 2: Core and I've been told it's going to be child
1:02:14
Speaker 2: by Jewry, so it's going to be public in Groundport.
1:02:17
Speaker 2: And yet they've already adopted our daughter before she's even
1:02:20
Speaker 2: being found guilty or not guilty. I mean, how is it?
1:02:26
Speaker 1: The onus is then on the parent, who has minimal
1:02:31
Speaker 1: resources usually, but the onus is put on the parent
1:02:35
Speaker 1: to try and get their child back. Meanwhile, the local
1:02:38
Speaker 1: authority uses all of the taxpayers' money, all the council taxpayers,
1:02:43
Speaker 1: It uses their money in order to fund the legal
1:02:47
Speaker 1: teams and the barristers and the psychiatric teams who are
1:02:52
Speaker 1: all ranged up against the parents. This is something that
1:02:55
Speaker 1: I find particularly disgusting when you see it that the
1:02:58
Speaker 1: parents have nothing and they have to as you are doing, Juliet.
1:03:03
Speaker 1: They are the ones forced to fight the legal battle
1:03:07
Speaker 1: in order to try and protect children and to get
1:03:10
Speaker 1: them returned to the family home.
1:03:15
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm fighting. I was fighting this before
1:03:18
Speaker 2: my granddaughter anyway, but I have to fight. My daughter
1:03:23
Speaker 2: is in such a state that she's absolutely broken. She's
1:03:26
Speaker 2: been groomed all through her teenage years as well. She
1:03:32
Speaker 2: will be able to elaborate me more so on the
1:03:38
Speaker 2: care homes that she replaced in and secure units that
1:03:43
Speaker 2: she replaced in. My point is, how can somebody's child
1:03:48
Speaker 2: be adopted before they've even intercourse? And that's what's happened
1:03:53
Speaker 2: in our case.
1:03:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the simple answer to that is because the
1:03:58
Speaker 1: system is correct yeah, broken, and it's not accidentally corrupt.
1:04:04
Speaker 1: It is constructed in such a way to be corrupt
1:04:09
Speaker 1: in order that children can be stolen and abused within
1:04:15
Speaker 1: the state's own job protection system. This is a created system.
1:04:19
Speaker 1: It isn't accidental what's happening here, it's it's created. Julia, Well,
1:04:26
Speaker 1: what would you like to say to.
1:04:27
Speaker 2: The orgagin created? From the beginning, I was just that
1:04:33
Speaker 2: they are all businesses for profit, all corporations in England.
1:04:39
Speaker 2: And this is something that I did prove in court
1:04:41
Speaker 2: as well, that the actual court was the court and
1:04:45
Speaker 2: the local authorities are on done and brad straight. And
1:04:48
Speaker 2: now when I put this a course to the judge,
1:04:51
Speaker 2: she did look into it and she actually said that
1:04:54
Speaker 2: she found it to be a good thing that they
1:04:56
Speaker 2: were actually on done and bad straight. And so just
1:05:00
Speaker 2: goes to show and tell you everything that they know
1:05:04
Speaker 2: that they're a business for profits, that their shouldn't even
1:05:09
Speaker 2: be taking part in any kind of assessments on our
1:05:14
Speaker 2: children or even coming to our homes when they're a
1:05:17
Speaker 2: business because we don't want to.
1:05:20
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, an industry contracted with them. Yeah, an industry
1:05:27
Speaker 1: created around the children.
1:05:30
Speaker 2: My daughter. I wanted to say that my daughter's actually
1:05:32
Speaker 2: missed in at the moment due to this case. I
1:05:37
Speaker 2: would just like to say to anybody, if anybody has
1:05:39
Speaker 2: any dealings with these people, to make sure that they
1:05:42
Speaker 2: just record literally everything.
1:05:44
Speaker 1: And there's something else we can say, because we can
1:05:47
Speaker 1: say to maybe families that say they've got a little
1:05:50
Speaker 1: bit of an issue with a bit of marital trouble
1:05:56
Speaker 1: or trouble in the partnership mom and dad are not
1:05:59
Speaker 1: getting on. And the golden rule certainly appears to be
1:06:04
Speaker 1: be very careful because your family dispute, if social services
1:06:08
Speaker 1: get involved, could mean that you lose your children even
1:06:12
Speaker 1: though you've done nothing wrong. So be very careful in
1:06:16
Speaker 1: when and how and why you engage social services. I've
1:06:21
Speaker 1: heard many other parents talk about this. Let's Juliet, let's
1:06:26
Speaker 1: end on a little bit of a positive, And to me,
1:06:31
Speaker 1: the positive is that it's taken a long time. It's
1:06:35
Speaker 1: taken years, not only because you've been fighting for years,
1:06:39
Speaker 1: but there are many other parents who've been fighting their
1:06:42
Speaker 1: cases for years. I detect that finally truth is coming
1:06:49
Speaker 1: up to the surface on these cases. And why is
1:06:53
Speaker 1: this happening? I think a lot of it is because
1:06:55
Speaker 1: before families who who suffered through this process didn't realize
1:07:02
Speaker 1: it was happening in the same way to other families.
1:07:05
Speaker 1: But now, largely I think through the Internet, we've got
1:07:08
Speaker 1: families that can connect with each other. They've been through
1:07:13
Speaker 1: the same abuses, they can share their stories, they can
1:07:17
Speaker 1: support each other. If we're going to get the lid
1:07:20
Speaker 1: off what's really happening. I've always believed that what we
1:07:24
Speaker 1: need is the thousands of families that have been affected
1:07:30
Speaker 1: to come forward and tell their story.
1:07:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely need to uprise in Do.
1:07:35
Speaker 1: You think that people who are suffering what you and
1:07:39
Speaker 1: your daughter are suffering at the moment? Do you think
1:07:42
Speaker 1: people are brave enough to come together in numbers to
1:07:46
Speaker 1: tell their stories to speak out?
1:07:48
Speaker 2: I do, But I do believe that a lot of
1:07:51
Speaker 2: people as well are completely broken, and some people that
1:07:54
Speaker 2: I speak to who can't even get out of it,
1:07:57
Speaker 2: And I understand how it could easily get you way,
1:08:00
Speaker 2: because it can just get you like that all of
1:08:02
Speaker 2: a sudden. You have to, you know, you have to
1:08:06
Speaker 2: be really strong through these times, and you have to
1:08:08
Speaker 2: know that you can withstand this storm. But I do
1:08:11
Speaker 2: believe it's coming to an end. I do believe it's
1:08:14
Speaker 2: coming to an end. And I actually do see them
1:08:16
Speaker 2: all being arrested for their clients against you, money and
1:08:20
Speaker 2: what they're doing to our children. Yeah, and that's one
1:08:23
Speaker 2: good thing that keeps me going, and knowing that our
1:08:26
Speaker 2: children are the ones leading the way, Our children are
1:08:30
Speaker 2: the ones pushing us to do what we're doing right now.
1:08:33
Speaker 1: Brilliant And that must be what it's really about to
1:08:37
Speaker 1: be a parent, isn't it to be fighting for your children,
1:08:41
Speaker 1: because the children are not only the family, the children
1:08:45
Speaker 1: of the.
1:08:45
Speaker 2: Future exactly, and we have to take care of every
1:08:48
Speaker 2: single one of them.
1:08:49
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
1:08:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you very much for speaking to me. I
1:08:55
Speaker 1: know it always takes a lot of effort to talk
1:08:57
Speaker 1: through what's been happening to the family. I've learned a
1:09:02
Speaker 1: lot from speaking to you already, and I know that
1:09:06
Speaker 1: clearly you're not only fighting extremely well in your own case,
1:09:13
Speaker 1: but it's clear that you're helping to motivate other families,
1:09:17
Speaker 1: and I hope that we the UK column are going
1:09:22
Speaker 1: to be also able to stay helping families inasmuch as
1:09:28
Speaker 1: if we're going to solve the problem, we need to
1:09:30
Speaker 1: expose what's going on. So I'm certainly hoping that we're
1:09:35
Speaker 1: going to get more families that will speak, because the
1:09:38
Speaker 1: more people that come and speak, the greater the evidence
1:09:42
Speaker 1: space is as to what's actually happening.
1:09:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to be able to and it'd be good
1:09:47
Speaker 2: for us to be able to show actually our evidence
1:09:50
Speaker 2: to the public as well.
1:09:52
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, well we are, let's say we're going
1:09:56
Speaker 1: to be working on that in the background, but I
1:10:00
Speaker 1: think that's absolutely right. We need documentary evidence as well
1:10:05
Speaker 1: as the verbal statements from people and the recordings and
1:10:09
Speaker 1: the videos. We need that evidence to come in front
1:10:12
Speaker 1: of the public, and of course that is why the
1:10:17
Speaker 1: closed family courts and the judges who are accountable to
1:10:21
Speaker 1: nobody do not want that evidence release to the wider
1:10:25
Speaker 1: public in UK. Julie, I hope you're going to speak
1:10:29
Speaker 1: to me again. Well done with what you've been doing,
1:10:33
Speaker 1: Chin up and keep.
1:10:34
Speaker 2: Fighting well and thank you, Brian.
1:10:37
Speaker 3: Come on it's a pleasure.
1:10:39
Speaker 2: Thank you, and hopefully next time a few more of
1:10:42
Speaker 2: us on here. We're all here together. Thank you, Brian.
1:10:45
Speaker 2: Take care not to love