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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 323 - Library Of Secrets · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: I don't know what he's up to. It's picking me
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  Speaker 1: like chicken, shocking me like corns, throwing me like an ice.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't do sit ups, I don't do
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  Speaker 2: chill ups.
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  Speaker 3: I don't do.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing but get up through them guts.
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  Speaker 3: With my jawns on.
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  Speaker 4: Bro, the hell did you talk about it?
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  Speaker 5: Then?
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  Speaker 2: Anybody? I'm letting all y'all know my exercise is up
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  Speaker 2: to the thighs.
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  Speaker 6: Bro.
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  Speaker 2: Believe that bros out to be the.
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  Speaker 7: Jo Bees shoke Bees and the timer be made and
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  Speaker 7: trim beans and chow Beck. Then y' I'm I mean
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  Speaker 7: show be Joe Bes and the Ben and I'm gona
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  Speaker 7: bean and show me mean you'll ride.
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  Speaker 2: Sellom Joe kill me.
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  Speaker 3: And here we go.
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  Speaker 4: That was a pretty week. Here we go, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Gotta switch it up every week, sir, sound really pathetic,
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  Speaker 3: And here we go.
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  Speaker 4: There you go and checked the little electricity in your veins.
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  Speaker 3: Sir.
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  Speaker 4: You should be excited. It's Friday night at seven o'clock.
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  Speaker 4: We're going live. This is the Longecoming Podcast. This is
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  Speaker 4: episode number three hundred and twenty three, and this is
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  Speaker 4: called Library of Secrets Joe, because we are gonna dive
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  Speaker 4: into what in the hell was Oswald reading in nineteen
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  Speaker 4: sixty three? Apparently a lot dude had a lot of
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  Speaker 4: time on his hands, apparently. But we'll get into all that.
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  Speaker 4: So but before we do, let's welcome in some of
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  Speaker 4: our our lovely friends into the chat. Whom is here?
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  Speaker 4: Big bed Josh one.
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  Speaker 3: Forty four pm in Hawaii, says Josh, ha ha. We
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  Speaker 3: are jealous. You should probably be at the beach, but
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  Speaker 3: we respect you being here.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Trey is in the house. Bungles in the house.
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  Speaker 4: James is in the house.
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  Speaker 3: James Bungled, Trey Scott. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 6: Paul?
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  Speaker 4: See who else? Make yourself heard?
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  Speaker 3: Say hello, mister Mike Off for sixty six.
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  Speaker 4: There he is, and.
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  Speaker 3: Mister Anthony as well, Anthony.
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  Speaker 4: The rip yep. If you need some carpet down under,
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  Speaker 4: here's your guy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh from Australia. Yeah, hey Anthony, uh and happy holidays
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  Speaker 3: to you as well. So, speaking of how was your
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  Speaker 3: Christmas there, Rob.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it's incredibly short, Joe. One whole day and then
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  Speaker 4: right back to work.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to ask if you had any other
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  Speaker 3: days off than that Wednesday.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no rest for the Wickeds.
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  Speaker 3: Sir you're a hustler. I respect it.
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  Speaker 4: I respect that you gotta do what you gotta do. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: heay to be the boss.
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  Speaker 3: H Hello Ashley, Saturday morning in Australia. Very nice.
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  Speaker 4: What's up, Ashley?
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, we want to wish all our loyal listeners.
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  Speaker 3: We hope you had a very merry Christmas or the
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  Speaker 3: start of happy Honukkah or happy holidays, whatever you're celebrating.
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  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure hanka started like two weeks ago, but no,
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  Speaker 4: two days ago? Did it really go?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure of this.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure there's eight crazy nights of Hanukkah that started
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  Speaker 4: before Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: No, this year it started on Christmas Day night.
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  Speaker 4: Oh did it?
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  Speaker 3: Yes? So it just like day three or something.
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  Speaker 4: Oh well, happy Honakha Joe, Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, whatever you celebrate out there, we hope you
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  Speaker 3: had happy holidays. We're able to spend some time with
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  Speaker 3: family and got that out of the way so you
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  Speaker 3: could spend time with us on the government podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and tiny points out a very good thing here. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: our l A show does a whole lot of reading
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  Speaker 4: for a dude who is allegedly dyslexic AF, don't you think? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: maybe he reads it like sideways or backwards or every
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  Speaker 4: other word. And and I know what you're trying to say. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, for a guy who's seemingly an idiot or
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  Speaker 4: on the spectrum of some some kind. Yeah, it h
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  Speaker 4: it is a little bit odd. So we we agree.
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  Speaker 4: But we'll get there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get into all the books or most of
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  Speaker 3: the books he've read. And it's definitely not of the
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  Speaker 3: level that of his last his last grade, right a
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  Speaker 3: high school level or wherever.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but before we do, we have our man on
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  Speaker 4: the street, Big Mike Alpha sixty six, with a follow
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  Speaker 4: up to our last couple episodes. He's gonna take us
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  Speaker 4: to the mean streets of Dallas and show us what
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  Speaker 4: the Western Union Place looks like now, and also the
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  Speaker 4: basement of the the depd there or the jail, the
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  Speaker 4: county whatever it was called, City Hall, Dallas Police headquarters. So,
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  Speaker 4: without further ada, Big Mike was nice enough to make
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  Speaker 4: us a little video here. It's about I'll probably shorten
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  Speaker 4: it up here a little Mike and take the end
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  Speaker 4: off of it because he was looking for a plaqutice
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  Speaker 4: no longer there, so we won't show that. But that's
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  Speaker 4: not the juicy bits anyway, So let's get ready into
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  Speaker 4: a Joe Greeny. Let me know if this sounds okay
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  Speaker 4: to you, Joe when I start to play it, here
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  Speaker 4: for sure? All right, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Next or six coming back at you was another video.
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  Speaker 1: Today is Friday, December twenty seventh, twenty twenty four. I'm
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  Speaker 1: currently at the intersection of Maine in Pearl Street. Now
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna go take a look at that building right there,
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirty four Main Street. Now, before we go over there,
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  Speaker 1: that parking lot right there, I do not know if
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  Speaker 1: it was there in nineteen sixty three. And I do
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  Speaker 1: not know if that parking lot right there was there
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty three. But those two parking lots could
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  Speaker 1: have been a question of theory. And now we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: wait the light. We're gonna cross and go over to
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirty four Main Street, and I'll tell you what
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  Speaker 1: this video is about.
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  Speaker 8: We'll wait back across the street here. I think one
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  Speaker 8: of those two park lots is probably where Jack Rippey parks.
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  Speaker 8: Probably that one, that's my guess, but h.
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  Speaker 3: See, it's most likely.
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  Speaker 6: Mike press the button there you are? Is that a
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  Speaker 6: humble personal if you get like this a good flats there.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, we've crossed the street.
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  Speaker 1: We're approaching twenty thirty four Main Street here in downtown Dallas.
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  Speaker 1: And on November twenty fourth, nineteen sixty three, this little building,
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  Speaker 1: now a little law office, was a Western Union. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how much the interior today it looks like
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  Speaker 1: it didad back in sixty three. But this was the
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  Speaker 1: lee the Western Union that Jack Ruby went to and
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  Speaker 1: sent some money to one of his girls. Little inn
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  Speaker 1: over for worth, no mask, no entry, moments minutes before
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  Speaker 1: he went into the basement of Dowsbaech headquarters and shortly
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  Speaker 1: how godwalk Now we're going to walk over towards where
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  Speaker 1: the former Dawas Police Department headquarters was where Oswall was shot,
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  Speaker 1: and we can't get down there at the private law
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  Speaker 1: school now. Now her speculation as to how Ruby got
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  Speaker 1: down to Oswald's location, one video I've seen is she
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  Speaker 1: had double odle up there in about the middle of
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  Speaker 1: your screen. I've heard theories that he went in those
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  Speaker 1: doors like a back entrance, and made the way downstairs.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's where Paul Abban was talking about
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  Speaker 6: your brother.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing that i've heard, yeah, I think this is
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  Speaker 1: the more believable thing. As she walked down the sidewalk.
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  Speaker 1: As I'm walking down, I'm here on Main Street. This
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  Speaker 1: is this is the old Dash Street Headquarter building. The
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  Speaker 1: back of it, that's Commerce Street. Over there this is
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  Speaker 1: Main Street and back behind me is where the Western
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  Speaker 1: Union was in that building. Walked down the sidewalk and
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  Speaker 1: there's a ramp. Now I don't know which side is which.
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  Speaker 1: I think. I could be wrong, but I think the
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  Speaker 1: Commerce side is the entry ramp to the basement, and
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  Speaker 1: the Main Street side where I'm at is the exit
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  Speaker 1: side of the basement ramph Like I said, I strong belief,
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  Speaker 1: and I tend to believe this theory is that Jack
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  Speaker 1: Ruby walked down the Main Street ramp I'm approaching right here,
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  Speaker 1: got into a good spot as why you hord God?
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  Speaker 1: And that sign destrict for do you not enter by ramp?
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  Speaker 1: I do not know if that sign was there in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three looks like I also do not know, ironically,
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  Speaker 1: if that sign was there in nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty three, that looks a little doer have you put
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  Speaker 3: up after?
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  Speaker 1: If it wasn't. I like to believe both of the
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  Speaker 1: signs were put there because of Jack Ruby's actions that day.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, I can't get in there.
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  Speaker 6: Fucking Mike down there looking.
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  Speaker 1: That she's prohibited private parking.
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  Speaker 6: Mike going down there.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go up through to the window and she can see.
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  Speaker 6: I love how we ever owned man looking on the screen,
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  Speaker 6: it's great.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, you can see yeah, yeahun in there, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: off to the right it were os what would have
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  Speaker 1: been coming out at yeah, yeah, and she's rammed one
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  Speaker 1: back up come or so I think this would have
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  Speaker 1: been the side I'm on, the main street side.
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  Speaker 3: Did the jury.
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  Speaker 1: On the other side is actually because the car that
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  Speaker 1: was going to take ols Walder's Gounty jail came down
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  Speaker 1: that ramp on the opposite side over on Commerce. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, I firmly believe that's how Ruby got into
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  Speaker 1: the bation.
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  Speaker 8: Hell yeah, wow, hell yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you Mike for that man on the street. Thank you,
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  Speaker 4: sir Lo cow on location of what we talked about there,
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  Speaker 4: that is awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good follow up. So where he was
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  Speaker 3: kind of peering down into that's where the ambulance backed
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  Speaker 3: up into, right and they would have left from that
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  Speaker 3: way or the up.
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  Speaker 4: Well, one of those sides. I think had the armored
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  Speaker 4: car they were gonna.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's why I meant armor, Clark, I'm sorry, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: the transport vehicle. Yeah, and I think they were definitely
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  Speaker 3: picking up and they were going to possibly leave from
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  Speaker 3: from where Mike was peering in there. So yeah, very.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting, all right, Joe. So let's get into it. Let's
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  Speaker 4: throw up this Seeking Service report see twenty six fifty
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  Speaker 4: is what we're going to be talking about here this evening.
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  Speaker 4: And but let's let's throw up the uh, the graphic
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  Speaker 4: first of many of the titles that will be discussing
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  Speaker 4: here this evening.
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  Speaker 3: Rob, if I could just stop you for one second,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't mind.
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  Speaker 8: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: We want to give a shout out to our friend
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  Speaker 3: Larry Hancock for sending us the review copy of his
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  Speaker 3: new book, The Oswalt Puzzle. And it comes out and
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  Speaker 3: I think about two weeks we had he had gotten
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  Speaker 3: us an advanced copy to review because if as you
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  Speaker 3: will remember, we are going to do a part two.
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  Speaker 3: He was on in November in January sometime and it's thick, guys,
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  Speaker 3: and I can't wait to read it. I haven't cracked
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  Speaker 3: it yet. But our topic tonight will kind.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, definitely do that. I was not aware of that, sir,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, we are excited to have that part two
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  Speaker 3: for sure. And of course we give our thanks to
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  Speaker 3: Larry Hancock. And if you have not your copy yet
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  Speaker 4: Well hell yeah, brother, Oh, thank you very much. Welcome in, sir.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely. And all right, so let's bring this up.
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  Speaker 3: What was Lee reading in nineteen sixty three? And I
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  Speaker 3: kind of made this little graphic here on PowerPoint with
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  Speaker 3: a few, maybe half of some of the books and
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  Speaker 3: novels he was reading. And it goes from everything from
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  Speaker 3: you know, biography on MAO to you know something about
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  Speaker 3: the Berlin Wall, to like philosophy, to books about JFK,
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  Speaker 3: to many Ian Fleming, James Bond novels. But we will
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  Speaker 3: get into that first. But do you want me to okay? Yes?
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  Speaker 3: So this is a Commission Exhibit number two thousand, six
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty the Secret Service report from November twenty nine,
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  Speaker 3: sixty three to December fourth, nineteen sixty three, and a
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  Speaker 3: very interesting read. Here. I will start now references made
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  Speaker 3: to the something report of Special Agent Stuart Dallas, dated
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  Speaker 3: November twenty seventh, nineteen sixty three, in which it was
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  Speaker 3: mentioned that Lee Harvey Oswalt had among his belongings a
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  Speaker 3: New Orleans Public Library card number eight four six zero,
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  Speaker 3: and also to a telephone call from Special Agent Charge
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  Speaker 3: Bouck to Special Agent Charge Rice requesting inquiries be made
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  Speaker 3: to determine if Lee Harvey Oswalt had checked out any
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  Speaker 3: books pertaining to the US Secret Service. So this is
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  Speaker 3: a Secret Service document Treasury and their trying to figure
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  Speaker 3: out did he check out any books that might have
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  Speaker 3: related to the Secret Service. On November twenty ninth, nineteen
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  Speaker 3: sixty three, Jerome Cushman, had librarian New Orleans Public Library,
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  Speaker 3: was interviewed. Mister advised that the library card of Lee
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  Speaker 3: Harvey Oswald had been issued by the Napoleon Branch Library,
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  Speaker 3: NY thirteen Napoleon Avenue, New Orleans, that the original of
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  Speaker 3: this card had been picked up by the FBI along
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  Speaker 3: with all available books which had been checked out by Oswalt.
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  Speaker 3: He further stated that it would be extremely difficult to
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  Speaker 3: determine if Oswald had attained books from the main library.
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  Speaker 3: So there was a main library, and this Napoleon Branch
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  Speaker 3: library was closer to his Magazine Street apartment about less
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  Speaker 3: about a quarter mile to about a mile away, but
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  Speaker 3: to check out every card it will require examination of
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  Speaker 3: all the microfilms of all transactions since Oswald obtained the
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  Speaker 3: card to that date. He said that it was also
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  Speaker 3: quite possible that Oswalt could have any number of cards
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  Speaker 3: issued to him. These cards are filed numerically, and without
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  Speaker 3: knowing the exact card number, all cards would have had
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  Speaker 3: to have to be checked to determine if this was
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  Speaker 3: the case. On December two sixty three, Geraldine, the Cressen librarian,
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  Speaker 3: was interviewed by Special Agent in charge of Rice. She
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  Speaker 3: sounds sexy, yeah, right, and the writer and writer at
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  Speaker 3: the Napoleon Branch Library, and I think what they mean.
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  Speaker 3: There is the librarian who wrote Oswalt's library card. We'll
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  Speaker 3: get into the dates shortly. On that, Miss Vakressen said
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  Speaker 3: that the correct number in the library card issued to
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  Speaker 3: Lee Harvey Oswalt was eighty six forty, not eighty four
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  Speaker 3: to sixty. This card had an expiration date of May
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  Speaker 3: twenty seventh, sixty six, indicating that it had been issued
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  Speaker 3: on May twenty seventh, nineteen sixty three. Miss val Kressen
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  Speaker 3: said that the original card had been given to mister
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  Speaker 3: Cushman had librarian, who had in turn given it to
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  Speaker 3: the FBI. She also said that a number of the
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  Speaker 3: books which Oswald had checked out had been turned over
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  Speaker 3: to the FBI, and that she had not retained a
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  Speaker 3: list of these interesting On the next day, December third,
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  Speaker 3: sixty three, Special Agent Steve Kalander FBI was interviewed and
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  Speaker 3: a list of the books checked out by Oswalt was
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  Speaker 3: obtained see Attachment'll get into that shortly. This consisted of
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  Speaker 3: thirty four books, of which twenty seven are being held
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  Speaker 3: by the FBI. The remaining seven books that Oswald checked
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  Speaker 3: out are in possession of private citizens, as they were
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  Speaker 3: checked out at the time of the investigation by the FBI.
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  Speaker 3: So the FBI was actually seizing these books, right, Maybe
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  Speaker 3: they had some marks in it or I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what their thought process was. But seven of the thirty
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  Speaker 3: four books were checked out by other people, and they're
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  Speaker 3: saying we can't get them right now. You gotta wonder
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  Speaker 3: Rob what happened to those books, because.
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  Speaker 4: I would imagine they gave them back eventually, because I
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  Speaker 4: can't see them containing anything of value. But who knows, right, right?
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  Speaker 3: But then again, and if you go to the library
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  Speaker 3: in New Orleans and check out that book with say
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Lee Harvey Oswell's signature on that, you know, say the
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: back cover of the library card, that's worth a lot
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: of money. You could pay that lost book fee, right
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: and have a piece of history. So I don't know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: that would be very interesting. On a twelve December, third
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: call was received from Special Agent in Charge Bauch, requesting
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: that inquiry be made to determine if Oswald had obtained
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: any of the four books written by the following authors,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: UF Bogman, Harry Neil, Edward Starling or Michelle Michael Riley.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: December fourth, sixty three, visit was made to the Napoleon
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Branch Library, where was determined that none of the aforementioned
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: books had been checked out by Oswald. Translation, I don't
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: think he checked out any books. In regards to the
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Secret Services, what they're saying here, The difficulty in examining
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: the records of the main library has been explained above.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Of the nine remaining branch libraries, five have a record
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: system similar to the main library. They're essentially just comparing
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: what if Oswald checked out a book from one of
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: the branch libraries and me returned it to the main
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: library or vice versa. Would they have a record of
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: that and.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Ca Lamar was not writing books back then yet?
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: No? Okay, So that is the Secret Service report in
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: twenty six point fifty Commission exhibit got you.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: So let's start with the first anomaly on the list here, Joe,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: because I believe you said that Oswald attained his library
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: card on May twenty seventh, nineteen sixty three. Is that correct?
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: That is correct? I'll bring up in a second, sir.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Yet, somehow, on May the twenty second, he checked out
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: a book, a biography actually, Portrait of a Revolutionary mal Seytongue.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Yes. So this is a picture of his library card
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: with his address on Magazine Street, and also a picture
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: of the application for the library card. And you will
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: notice it is dated May twenty seventh, nineteen sixty.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Six, which basically means is good for three years.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: So the question becomes, how did he check out a
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: book on May twenty second without a library card?
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: You don't know.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: You think maybe he might have been using someone else's
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: library card.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I think it's very impossible.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that would be interesting for sure. Huh. All right,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: so he checked that out on May twenty second, that's sorry,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Portrait of a Revolutionary Mouse, say Tongue by Robert Payne,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: three hundred and eleven page book, and he returned it
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: on June third, so he had it for approximately ten days. Okay,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: that's good on him. Then we go to the Berlin Wall, okay,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Dean and David Hillner and it's something yeah, two hundred
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: and twenty three page book. On that same day, he
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: also checked out the Huey Long murder Case by Hermann Deutsch,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: a murder investigation by respected Chicago New Orleans journalists, one
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: hundred and eighty pages. And he returned both of those
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: books on June to fifteenth, so that was about two weeks.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: So he's reading some decent sized books at about one
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: a week at this point. Right now, at this time,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: he's living on Magazine Street with his pregnant wife and
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: his toddler, and he's also working at the William Riley
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Coffee Company, I believe at this time because that's the
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: employer that he put on his library card. So then
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: we move on to June the twelfth, So he goes
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: back to the library before he returns these two books
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: that we just talked about, and he checks out something
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: called Conflict by Robert Lecky, who was the author of
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: popular books on US military history. And this one is
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: a whopping four hundred and forty eight page book. So
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: after he checks this book out, three days later he
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: returns the hue Long murder Case in the Berlin Wall.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Can I stop you for a sucker, Rob, Sure? I
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: know so. Robert Lecky, you know I'm a big fan
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: of World War two things and you know, Band of Brothers, right,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: the popular paratrooper series on Netflix. There was another ten
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: part series called The Pacific on HBO, which followed members
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: of pretty much the First Marine Division, John Baslone, you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: and Robert Lecky was actually a main character in the
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: HBO series. He worked for a newspaper before he came back,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: worked for a newspaper and ended up being a really
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: successful author. So really funny that he's reading that book
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: because that guy was a fan of mine. Just just
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: very random, right, like coincidence. I'm sorry.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: The full title of the book was Conflict The History
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: of the Korean War from nineteen fifty to fifty three.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: So it's interesting, you know that Oswald is reading this book,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: clocking in almost four hundred and fifty pages. Yeah, now
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: he has this book again from June twelfth to the
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: twenty sixth, so for two weeks he has this book.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: And he did not have one. So you had to
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: return books within two weeks of when you took them
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: out when you know, rented them. He was not late once.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: So in my kind of power point here I cropped
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: out the return date. The checkout date is on the
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: right side, but it was almost always always under two weeks,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: if not ten days twelve days. He never was charged
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: a late fee, which is kind of consistent with Oswalt's
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: frugal nature.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: I think, well, what's interesting is that he while he
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: has books out, he's going back to the library and
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: checking more books out. For instance, so while he has
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: the Huey Long and the Berlin Wall checked out, he
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: gets back on the twelve and gets this five hundred
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: page book, and then returns those two books on the fifteenth,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: keeps the book till the twenty sixth. But on June seventeenth,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: in the middle of reading this four hundred and fifty
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: page book about the Korean War, So five days after
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: he checks that book out, he goes back to the library, okay,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: and checks out three more books, all right, One called
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Soviet Potentials, a Geographic Appraisal. It's about geography and Soviet economics.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: It's a textbook, right.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Kind of luck about the resources that were on the
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Soviet land.
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: Almost yeah, And this book was two hundred and sixty
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: two pages. He also checked out What we Must Know
• 32:43
  Speaker 9: about Communism, its beginnings, its growth, and presence status And
• 32:49
  Speaker 9: this was a three hundred and fifty page book. It
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: was an expository expository textbook on communism by a husband
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: and wife writing team in psychology and sociology. Jay Agar
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: Hoover wrote the recommendation. The book was checked out from.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: Uh okay, um, yeah, Harry and his wife Bernaro over Street.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: And then h I was.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Gonna say that that book is actually an anti communist book,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: and I have a little description of that if if
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: you'd let.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Me start go ahead, Uh uh, all right, you don't
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: need to keep this list up, Okay.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: It's what we know about communism right here is in language.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: This is from like the inside part of the book,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: like the cover. Here in language that is easy to comprehend,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: meaning it was translated. The authors explain how communism works
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: in Russia, the United States, and other parts of the world.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: They tell the true aims of the Soviet, or what
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: the truth aims of the Soviet are, and how the
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: communists are trying to accomplish their objective. The subject of
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: communism can no longer be left to the speculatists in government.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: It creates problems which must be faced by you and
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: every individual who believes in freedom. So this, although it
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: sounds like a communist book was actually an anti communist book.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, thank you. And the last one he checked out
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: on June seventeenth, well something called This Is My Philosophy,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: A collection of cerebral essays by Albert Schweitzer of Albert
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Sweiser College. Well, I don't know just how many, how.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Many Albert Schweizers can there be?
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Wow, it just said Schweitzer.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I know that's really interesting.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Sorry, Alis Huxley, Oppenheimer, Marcel Marceau, Sartra, etc. This is
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: a four hundred page book edited by Whitney Burnett. Full
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: title This Is My Philosophy Twenty of the world's outstanding
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: thinkers reveal the deepest messages that they have found in life.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: So so far, this is the one that grabs me.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: By the Cajones Joe as very interesting, you know, like,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: all right now, this dude's he's diving deep. He's diving deep.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: So, in the middle of having those three books out
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: that he returned on July first, okay, he checks out
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: two more books in June, won by Arthur C. Clark
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: entitled A Fall of Moondust and also Thunderball, a James
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Bond spy novel, A ninth in the series by Ian Fleming,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: each of these books clocking in it close to two
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty pages. Now, he must have been really
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: been digging the Thunderball, because he returned that on July eighth.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: He returned A Fall of Moondust on July twelfth. On
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: July first, he checks out JFK. Portrait of a President
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: by William Manchester, clocking in at two hundred and sixty
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: six pages. That was returned two weeks later on July fifteenth.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: On July sixth, third and a popular Napoleonic era quasi
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: historic adventure series by noted author C. S. Forrester called
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: The horn Blower and the Hotspur. And this some bitch
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: was four hundred pages. Okay. He checked that out on
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: July sixth, took it back July twentieth.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: And really quickly. The horn Blower and the Hotspur. Rob
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I got a little summary.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: It has to aka Judith Baker and Beverly Oliver, the
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: horn Blower and the Hotspur.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: So this guy Hornblower maris this woman named Maria, the
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: daughter of his landlady blah blah blah. He is unable
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: to bring himself to be so cruel as to stop
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: the ceremony despite thinking that Maria was not the right
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: woman to be his wife. That is interesting because you
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: have to think he's reading that and thinking.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: And maybe marine a one. But I've knocked her up again,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: stupid me.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Well sometimes people do that to save the marriage. Wrong.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Moving right along. Also checked
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: out on the same day as Hornblower in the Hotspur
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: was something called Soviet All I'm Sorry One Day in
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: the Life of Ivon Denisovitch Soviet prison camp Life by
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: a Nobel Prize winning anti communist Russian author, rocking in
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: at one hundred and ninety two pages.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Yep, and that plot line in the madness of World
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: War Two, a dutiful Russian soldier convicted of treason and
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: sentenced to a Siberian labor camp begins this masterpiece of
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: a modern Russian fiction, of a harrowing account of a
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: man who has conceded to all things evil with dignity
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: and strength.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sounds like a very enthralling book. Okay, moving right along.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: July tenth, he checks out two more books, one called
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Russia under Khrushev by Alexander Wirth, which was a documentary
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: history by the famed Russian born anti Nazi British journalist,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: clocking in at three hundred and fifty pages, return two
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: weeks later on July twenty fourth. And also something called
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: The You Go Winners, edited by Isaac Asimov. This was
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: a first volume of nine short stories of science fiction's
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: best edited by a noted science author who I said
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: as Isaac Asimov. Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Interesting, No, and there's a nice mix of science fiction
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: slash fantasy in these thirty four books. Oh yeah, that's
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: not the only one, as we'll see.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: True. So, like I said, those two were checked out
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: on the tenth and returned on the twenty fourth. Well,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: then we moved to five days later. I mean, it
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: seems like we have a pattern here, Joe, where he
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: goes and checks out some books, and then goes back
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: the next week and checks out a couple more books,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: and then he goes back and returns those and checks
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: out some more books and then returns those. So he's
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: always got something to read, for sure. So yeah, we're
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: up to the July fifteenth, and he checks out, like
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: I said, two more books, one called The Blue Nile,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: which is a history exploration of the Nile by the
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: renowned author and war correspondent Alan Moorehead, Allan Morehead, paging
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Allen Morehead, that one clocking in at three hundred and
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: sixty eight pages. Same day, he also checks out Profiles
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: and Courage by John F. Kennedy. Maybe you've heard of him? Okay,
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Then Senator John F. Kennedy's account of the eight US
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Senators whose courageous political battles created a better America, clocking
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: in at two hundred and seventy pages. Three days later,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: he goes back to the library and he checks out
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: uh five full length spy novels, The Great Impersonation by E.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Phillips Oppenheim, Green Mantle by John Buchan or Buckan Buckan
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Epitaph for a Spy by Eric Ambler, No Surrender by
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Martha Albrand, and No Entry by Manning Coles. And these
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: are five spy novels selected by Howard Haycraft. And this
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: book of five books clocks in at almost eight hundred
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: pages long and was returned on August. I checked out
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: July eighteenth. Then we move on to July thirtieth, where
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: he checks out two more books, one called The Hittite. Okay,
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: this was a historical fiction. At the head of the
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: on Russian Hittite legions was Lord Marduke. He was young,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: he had great wealth, high rank, and his wife Arena Marina,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: was the most beautiful woman in the empire, but her
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: warped passions drove him to seek another woman's arms and loins.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: The Hittite That Bitch by Noel Gerson two hundred and
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: twenty four pages. Also on July thirtieth, he checked out
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: a book entitled Mind Partner, Nine Novelettes of Life in
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: the Future, edited by H. L. Gold, clocking in at
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty pages. Then this is interesting. One
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: day later, July thirty first, so he goes back to
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: the library.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is interesting, and.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: He checks out Everyday Life in Ancient Rome by F. R.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Cow two hundred pages, and also nine short stories entitled
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: nine Tomorrow's by Isaac Asimov, which includes two comic poems
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: by the great Asimov regarding future computer dangers. And this
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: is two hundred and fifty pages. Okay, interesting, So he
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: went to the He returned the five novels book, the
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: eight hundred page book on August the first, So he
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: was at the library July thirtieth, July thirty first and
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: August first, and that brings us to August third. He
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: was there as well. Okay, so on August third, okay,
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: all right, lick my finger. Here he checks out two
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: more books, one called The Expert Dreamers, edited by Frederick Pohle.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: This was a science fiction anthology of fifteen stories, two
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty pages long. Returned on the nineteenth of August.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Half of the fifth but third of the fifth doesn't matter.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know. No. Also on August the third, he
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: checks out The Worlds of Clifford Simak by Clifford Simak,
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: twelve science fiction stories by the famed science or by
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: the famed classic science fiction writer, clocking in at three
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: hundred pages. Moving on, So you got to connect, And
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: I wish we had like a timeline of Oswald to
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: understand where he's at in his life at some of
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: these points. You know, we know he was arrested on
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: August ninth, right Street Fractus, but didn't arrested enough. Three
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: days after the street fact Fractus and his arrest. Hey,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: he goes back to the library. Yeah, because that's what
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: you do. And he checks out seventeen selections from the
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: writings of Huxley Wells, Poe, Edgar Allan, Poe, Jules Verne, etc.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Called the Treasury of Science Fiction Classics by Harold Kubler,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: clocking in It's seven is long. Now, you know, Joe,
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: I believe he went on the radio. I think it
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: was August sixteenth. It was all TV radio on August sixteenth, yeah,
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: I think. But on August twenty second he went and
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: checked out From Russia with Love by Ian Fleming, fifth
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: in the Fame James Bond series and one of JFK's
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: Favorite ten books, from the issue of Life magazine on
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: March seventeenth, nineteen sixty one. So he's checking out a
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: spy novel August twenty second. Same day as he checks
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: out From Russia with Love, he's also checking out something
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: called Portals of Tomorrow, The Best Tales of Science Fiction
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: and Other Fantasy, which is an anthology by August Derleth
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: of sixteen science fiction and fantasy stories, clocking in at
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: almost four hundred pages. Same day. Very busy. This day
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: he checks out how to Write Science Fiction and other
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: eleven science fiction stories called The Sixth Galaxy Reader by H. L.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: Gold two hundred and forty pages. Same day, August twenty second,
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: We're still there, been Her by Lou Wallace, the famed novel,
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: a Christian classic by a revered US general. Actual title
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: ben Her, a Story of the Christ five hundred and
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: ten pages, night not White reading same day The Big
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: Book of Science Fiction by Graft Conklin, considered the best
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: science fiction anthologists by many. This one's almost two hundred pages,
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: and also same day, August twenty second, he checks out
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: The Bridge over the River Qui by Pierre Boulets, translated
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: from French. The author was a former Japanese prisoner of war.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: And it's clocking in at two hundred and twenty five
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: pages long. Okay, and then there's a big gap. Joe
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: in his library at Tivite almost a month, almost a month.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: He returns some books on September the fifth, and he
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: was nice enough to return the other three before he
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: allegedly went to Mexico on the twenty third of September.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: But if as you say is true, if after two weeks,
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: he should have had late charges on been Her, the
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: Big Book of Science Fiction, and The Bridge over the
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: River Qui, because he kept those books out.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: For over a month, Okay, I read he was never late,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: but that would indicate otherwise for sure.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: Yeap. And like you said, they've all they all were
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: returned within two weeks prior to this, but now we're
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: a month.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Do you think that could have been because he was
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: in Mexico City. I mean, that's the lot.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: The weird thing is if he returned these three books
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: that he had had out for a month on the
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: twenty third. It's weird because on the nineteenth of September
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: eight in Essence by Aldus Huxley, which is science fiction,
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: and it Huxley's vision of a brutal world after nuclear
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: war circa twenty one oh eight Okay, two hundred and
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: seven pages, written in nineteen forty eight.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that four books on the nineteenth.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: No, yeah, that's the first one. But it's just weird
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: that he would return these three books on the twenty third,
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: but he went back on the nineteenth and checked out
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: four more. Why wouldn't he take out the three that
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: he had already had for a month back on the
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: nineteenth when he went there, instead of going back four
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: days later to return three late books.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: That's a good point. Yeah, I don't know.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: So also on the nineteenth. He must have been dropping
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: ascid this weekend because he's on a real Altis Huxley kick.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: He checks out Brave New World, ranked fifth on the
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: Modern Library's board list of one hundred best English Language
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: novels of the twentieth century, a futuristic novel of science fiction,
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: almost three hundred pages long, and then he also checks
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: out gold Finger by Ian Fleming, the seventh in the
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: James Bond novel series, two hundred and twenty pages. And
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: then he also checks out Moonraker, the third novel in
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: the James Bond series by Ian Fleming, two hundred and
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: fifty six pages out. Aj Weberman also has famously noted
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: that none of the books that Oswald read were written
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: by leftists, which differs greatly from the newspapers to which
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: he described.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: In the newspapers that described his readings, which we will
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: take a look at later in the show, they spun
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: out the complete opposite way right the type. If you
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: look at the titles that we've talked about, they sound
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: extreme and communist, and a couple of them were, but
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: for the most part they were a very right wing
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: and against communism, which is just interesting to see how
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: they spun that.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Yep. Now. Aj Weberman also says that in July nineteen
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: ninety three he contacted Chester Briggs, who was Oswald's landlord
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: on Mercedes Street when he was living there. He says,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: I saw him weekly. He was an aloof strange, different individual,
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: very quiet and he read quite a bit. Not an
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: aggressive person. He was relatively orderly. It was a low
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: income area. I don't know how Oswald found out that
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: property was for let. Oswald had his own entrance. The
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: postman that came there also delivered to my commercial building
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: where I had a business and told me and Oswald
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: was being investigated for receiving subversive literature. So very interesting stuff.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't It doesn't line up with exactly how
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: they portray it for sure. And I have a couple
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: comments from our loyal live audience, Rob. I want to
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: show you.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: Yes, he's in order.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: The Blue Nile by Moorhead is a great book, Okay.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Paul Cummings asked issue temp cards, and that is in
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: relation to the May twenty second slash the May May
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: twenty second sign out date May twenty seventh issue with
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: the library card. Yes, that is one of the theories
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: that he could have gotten a temporary card, been able
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: to take out a book and then got his regular card,
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: or like you mentioned, Rob, he was using someone else's
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: library card. Those seems to be the two main Scott
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Edwards with a great comment good guy David Ferry's library card. Uh,
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: good fery card and uh, yeah Robert Lecky from the
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Pacific series by Hanks and Spielberg. And yes, James, he
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: wrote the book Helmet for My Pillow, which was kind
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: of like a detailed The sounds like a detailed book
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: on his Oh, it's the opposite of that of his
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: experience in the Pacific. But uh and uh, I think slack.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Dan says happy dudes, Happy dudes, chat Happy twenty five
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: to all you two. Sir Paula Jane Aldus Huxley died eleven,
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: twenty seven, twenty second, sixty three. I don't know if
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: that's true, but that is true. That's crazy.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: While he was tripping balls.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: The last two books he checked out Oswald checked out
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: was from Huxley on the Yeah it was on the
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: same day, Yeah, nine to nineteen Ape in essence Brave
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: New World. At least based on the CE Report commissions,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: of it. We have four in the nineteenth so big
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: bag Josh to me as plausible the Lee Harvey als
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: won't read or checked out these library books, not justice
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: to set up a Marxist or hidell Yeah, it would
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: have to be going. It would be a lot to
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: say it's a conspiracy.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Although aj Hydale have a library card, that would be funny.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I know all the librarians were.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: There are millions of records we'd have to go through.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: I think they were in like those index cards. They're like,
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: we're not doing that. Even while.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: I grew up fucking camera swhere. So I grew up
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: in you know, in the seventies and even back then,
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: like I used to go to the library. Right, this
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: is way pre internet. Okay, so that's what you did
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: when you wanted a book, You went to the library.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: You know, mom took you to the library and you
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: picked out some books. Whatever. But I remember distinctly getting
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: my very first library card, and it wasn't a big deal.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: It wasn't like they idd you to death or ran
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: credit checks on you or anything like that. You just
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: basically had to fill lot of form saying this is me,
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: this is my name, this is where I live, this
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: is my phone number if you had one, and that
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: was it, I mean, is yeah, not a big deal.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: They didn't check anything, you know whatever. And like I said,
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: there was an envelope and on the back cover or
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: something where you pulled it out and you wrote your
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: name and you gave it to them and they kept
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: it in file. And yeah, each library had their own
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: rules for how long you could have a library book
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: checked out for before it was termed to be late
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: coming back. It's like for you kids, you know, back
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: in the nineties, when you had to check out a
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: video from Blockbuster, you had you know, three days to
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: return it, some of them one day, the very popular ones.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: But and if you didn't, you you had to pay
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: a fee, late fee. Same thing with the books back then.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: But you know, it was very lax, very lax. C. S.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: Lewis also died on November twenty second.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Well, some bitch, I just have a couple more starred
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: comments here, baby, Josh. Spy novels, history books, and biographies. Yeah,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: that pretty much sums that are pretty well. James says
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: there were some great class yeah, science fiction books on
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: that list for sure, and he is also impressed by
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: his reading, and it doesn't line up with his level
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: of education. And we've talked about how Oswald was kind
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: of or Larry did kind of know it all. So
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: you could see him possibly, if not self educating, reading
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: these type of books to kind of get those gotcha
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: moments in arguments, if if whatever. I don't know, I'm speculating.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is a snapshot of a couple months
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: of this dude's life, right, He just didn't become a
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: voracious reader overnight, folks, you know, and like Tinny was
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: saying earlier about dy dyslexic people would not read that
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: many books or even try to read that many books.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking a lot of these books are
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: three five hundred, eight hundred page books.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: And he is not easy reading. Not easy reading. You
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: have to be you know, you have to know a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: lot of vocabulary, I mean, and philosophy and history to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: really understand this stuff, you know what I mean.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: So Alice Huxley stuff when you know it's it's he's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: talking about a lot of a lot of Huxley's books
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: take place in the far future with concepts that are
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: very hard to understand at that time for those kind
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: of people. And you know with the book that he
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: was reading, you know, I think he was very much
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: a history buff, very intrigued with great war stories and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: the great leaders.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: And political ideologies, the differences of capitalism and communism and Marxism.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean even you know, he's reading about Kennedy,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: but he's also reading about Malse Tongue. You know, it's.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: All over the place, but.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: You know, it just shows the the vast differences in
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: his interests, you know, reading you know, he's reading Egyptian history,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: Napoleonic history, Roman war history, Roman history, Christian history, and
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: science fiction about outer space, the stars, you know, aliens
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: and the future, time track.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Futuristic technology.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: I think it was one of those, but also the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: spy novels. You know, who doesn't love a good James
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: Bond spy er, you know.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just had two more, but I haven't
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: looked at the chat in a second. Paul asked, does
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: that gap? And I think we briefly touched on that
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: coincide with Mexico City, and that was that time that
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: he was a little late in September.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: Well, the last thing he checked out, wasn't it In
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: November or September.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Nineteen Yeah, yeah, it was September nineteenth year.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he returned those books on October the third. I
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: don't think i'd said that, which would of course been
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: as soon as he got back from Mexico allegedly, and
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: the last time he checked anything out was on the nineteenth.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: So these are definitely around the Mexico City dates.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Right, Can you take over for me for thirty seconds, Robin.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: Sure Trey picked up a book today that was stamped
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: property of Beauregard Junior High School. Mind blown, I guess.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: So it's been even cool if it still had an
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: envelope in the card in the back that Lee Harvey
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: Oswall had checked it out, that would be even cooler.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: And yeah, and now he has a book written about him.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: He has a lot of books written about him, you know,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: a lot a lot. Mike says, maybe he was in
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: it for the pictures. I don't know, Mike. A lot
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: of these uh books he's reading, I think are more
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: words than pictures. Let's see what's up. Will Allegedly from
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: the twenty fifth to the third, he was in Mexico City. Well,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: he was returning books. Wait wait, wait, hold on timeout.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: So if he returned, if he returned books to the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: New Orleans library on October the third, does that make
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: sense when he didn't because didn't he leave Mexico City
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: and go back to Dallas. He didn't have anywhere to
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: live in New Orleans at the time. Or did he
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: just go back to New Orleans to return some library books?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: That's a good question. I don't think he went back
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: to New Orleans off the top of my head, but
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: I could be very wrong.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: What says he returned these? Yeah, these last four books
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: on the October the third, which is interesting. I think
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: we just cracked the case. Joe Oswald was in New
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: Orleans the whole time.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, I mean it doesn't line up, that's for sure.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: It's definitely more of a detour to go back to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: New Orleans from Mexico City than it would to be
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: to Dallas.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: Right where there's smoked this fire.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Well, how are you sir? Wow? That's a good point.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So what do you think will is that? Is
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: that legit? There's no way in hell he could have
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: been in New Orleans on the third if he went
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: to Mexico City, pretty sure, because I don't think he
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: ever went back to New Orleans after Mexico City.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think so either, but don't hold me to that.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: But that is and like I said, it's out of
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: the way, you know, it's it's easier to go back
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: to Texas at that point.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: So h you're saying the office is back in Dallas.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: What office.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: There is?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: The week? Does New Orleans have a satellite office in Dallas.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: That's the the Dallas not the Napoleon's not the Napoleon
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Street branch, the Dallas branch of the New Orleans Public Libor.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: And I have a document on that as well.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: Well, whip it out, Joe. Let's see, all.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: Right, I guess that's good time. Yeah, this is an
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: FBI document. Maybe Judy returned him for that is possible.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: Or good?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, David Ferry.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: And they interviewed a librarian, missus Lillian Bradshaw, director of
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: the Dallas Public Library, Commerce Street, Dallas Textas for furnished
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: the following information. A file of membership is not retained
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: by the Dallas Public Library System. Therefore, Miss Lillian has
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: no records pertaining to Lee Harvey Oswalt. She further advised
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: that the only records maintained by the library are key
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: to delinquencies. Therefore, it would be not be possible to
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: determine a listing of the books read by Oswalt in
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: Dallas in this.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: Well, we know we had a library card because then
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: that dude he put that dude from a jaggers Child
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: stovevall down as a reference on his library card.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we did go over that.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: So you know, it doesn't say when he might have
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: gotten the Dallas library card. You know we saw the
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: New Orleans well, uh lasted for three years, so.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: It's what had to be at least the beginning of
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: sixty three because that's when he was working at jaggers
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: Child's right.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: Right, So that's what I'm saying. My point is he
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: STI would have had an active card. I'll continue here.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Missus Bradshaw made available two copies of a Dallas Public
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: Library delinquency notice, which reflex Lee Harvey Oswalt six two Elsbeth,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Dallas was The link went on a book entitled The
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: Shark and the Sardines by Juan Jose. The book was
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: due on November thirteen, sixty three, and according to miss Bradshaw,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: it would have been charged out on November sixth, sixty three.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: The delinquency notice was never mailed, however, and the book
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: was never returned. Interesting. Bradshaw also indicated her records contained
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: no other delinquencies for Oswalt. She made an available copy
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: of the above described book, which was authored by a
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: former president of Guatemala, Juan Anvallo, transcribed from Spanish by
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: June Cobb.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's the old shit party.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, yeah again. Yeah, the gardening therapist will love
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: that one, and blah blah blah. But that's the one
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: I had on that. That was an FBI document from.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: So he's still checking out books and reading when he's
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: back in Dallas.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, although they said they couldn't check technically, but
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: they only could check the delinquencies. So I think I
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: read somewhere there was like two oh yeah, it would
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: take a detailed review of over two point six million
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: micro filmed records, which I think there are those like
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: index cards, and they were like, yo, we're not doing that.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: And that's exactly what the New Orleans librarian said to
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: them as well. They're like, we're not looking throughever like millions.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: They would have won with the last ones were if
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: if they weren't returned.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, we're not doing that. But interesting, rob
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: I have let's see Wow. So yeah, okay, so you
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: know they were on this, you know, a few days
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: after Oswald was killed, right, like the whole library thing,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: you know, his library card, the books, like within a
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: few days of when he was killed twenty seven, twenty ninth.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: They were good.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: But and I think somebody asked this before, why would
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: they be on this so quickly and be worried about
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: what he was reading? Well, it takes you into the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: mind of an accused assassin, of course, and his mindset,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: his personality. What you read is a very good judge
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: of character.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: Almost like today with like what websites you go to,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: what people you follow? Right, it's it's not much different.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what what you watch on TV? What shows do
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: you like?
• 1:12:52
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• 1:12:55
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• 1:12:59
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• 1:13:03
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• 1:13:18
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• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir, smash that. So I came across this Rob.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: And this is an FBI document November twenty seventh, sixty three.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: The mister Fred Powellage.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: Josh, what kind of porn you watch? Yes, it's very
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: good indicator of your personality as well. Hope they never
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: search my shit out.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: You know that's in there.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: Big Bad Bob is in the midget born.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: Oh boy.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: So I came across this random document and I was like,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: what's going on here? This mister Fred Poweledge is a
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: reporter for the New York Times, and this is an
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: FBI doc November twenty seven and sixty three, three days
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: after Lee was shot by Jack, Rebe advised telephonically, which
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: means to me that he called the FBI that he had.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: Via telephone.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, that he had been checking the Napoleon Branch Library
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: in New Orleans, Louisiana for books that Lee Harvey Oswald
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: had read. As a result of this search, he advised
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: that Oswald had checked out the following books and we
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: have gone through these, although the titles for these the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: Berlin Wall Portrait of Volutionary Huey Long Murder Case, Portrait
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: of a President Russia under Kushrev is kind of like.
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  Speaker 4: Very picky and there exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're choosing the titles that look that sound the worst, right, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: for sure. So then I come across this, Rob Sorry,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: I'm jumping around here a New York Times article coincidentally
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: enough the next day by Fred Palage, No Polage nosing
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: and around and the and the Napoleon Branch Library on
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Napoleon Street here. Oh man, you can't make this up.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: And I didn't even like I made this.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: I made this the immortal words of Ricky Bobby do.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: If you're not first, you last. So he had to
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: get on this article very quick.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you gotta, you gotta claim the narrative
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: for sure. It starts. Lee Harvey Oswald, accused assassin of
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: President Kennedy, borrowed last summer a library book on uh
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: the political assassination, and several on a political assassination, and
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: several critical of communism. The book on the political assassination
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: was an account of the death of Huey Long, the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: former He was the former governor of Louisiana and leader
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: politician continues. Oswald also checked out a number of science
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: fishing books by Ian and Ian Fleming, spy mysteries, which
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: we went over the list offered a glimpse into the
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: mind of a man accused by the Dallas police of
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: having killed mister Kennedy in that city last Friday. Oswald,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: who was shot dead on Sunday by a Dallas citizen.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: That's pretty vague. While being taken from one jail from another,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: was a quiet man given to reading. Acquaintances have recalled
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: he talked little to the people who he who with
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: whom he came in contact. When the book on mister
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: Kennedy was examined today, it bore the rubber stamp phrase
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: on the flyleaf fair Play for Cuba Committee, New Orleans, LA.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that means. When the book on
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: mister Kennedy was examined today, Are they referring to one
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: of the two books of Kennedy that he took out
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: in July.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: Could be.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: It bore this rubber stamped phrase on the fly leaf
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: fair Play for Cuba Committee, New Orleans. Are they saying
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: that he stamped in the fair Play for Cuba thing
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: on the Kennedy book. It sounds like that's what they're saying.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: Maybe why they confiscated or try to get all the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: books just to see if he was doing ye like that.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, that's why I said in the beginning, like
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: did he make any handwritten notes or or on the contrary,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: can we stamp any notes on there to make it
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: seem like you did?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, he needed somewhere to try to stamp out, Joe.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: What better place than in a book nobody's ever going
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: to read.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: Then, yeah, it is interesting why and they had confiscated
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: twenty seven out of thirty four books, and in the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: World Commission document it says, these other seven we can't
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: get because they're out a loan. So it's like, why
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: are you trying to get these books?
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: And real quick, Joe on this Huey long dude.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for those who might not know, let's see.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: At nine to twenty pm and Baton Rouge just after
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: the past of a bill, effectively removing Judge Benjamin Pavey,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: who had been on the bench for twenty eight years.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: The judge's son in law, a guy by the name
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: of Carl Weiss.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 10: What the fuck is going on with my camera? Okay,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 10: damn it, I give a come on, buddy, come on,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 10: little fellow, what are you doing?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: Carl Weiss approached Long and according to the generally accepted
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: version of events, this is what we call the official story,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: fired one single shot with a handgun from four feet away,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: striking Long in the torso or abdomen. Long's bodyguards, nicknamed
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: the Cossacks or the skull Crushers, then fired at Weiss
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: with their pistols, killing him instantly. And autops he found
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: that Weiss had been shot at least sixty times and
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: probably more. Long then ran down a flight of stairs
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: and across the Capitol grounds, hailing a car to take
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: him to Our Lady of the Lake hospital. He was
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: rushed to the operating room, where surgery closed perforations in
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: his intestines but failed to stop internal bleeding. Long died
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: thirty one hours after being shot. Yeah. His last words were, God,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: don't let me die. I have so much to do. Yeah.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: So that is the Huey Long legacy. Now there is
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: a conspiracy theory here Joe about the death of Huey Long. Apparently,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: evidence later surface that suggests Long was actually accidentally shot
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: by his bodyguards. Proponents of this theory a certain Long
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: was caught in the crossfire as his bodyguard shot Weiss
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: before Weiss could even get a shot off and a
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: bullet that ricocheted off the marble walls hit him in
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: the abdomen. So interesting, what is going on?
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: That is very interesting. And I know our previous guest,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: Janet Banister, had had an episode on Hugh Long right.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the King Fish Baby, Yes, yep.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: So just to read a little more of this article,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: it goes into a bunch of the books he was
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: reading and the ones he checked out, which are consistent
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: with the list. The FBI document the day before had
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: numbered or had talked about a portrait of a President
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: by W. R. Manchester, And they're kind of like spitting
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: this as like, oh, he's, you know, reading these books
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: on Kennedy's Kennedy. But the two books on Kennedy he
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: read were very pro Kennedy. So unless he was, you know,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: completely being a contrarian here, you would think those books,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: especially borrowed two weeks after the first one was, you
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: wouldn't read the second one if you weren't intrigued by
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: the first one. So I'm not sure what to make
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: of that. But you know, they talk about the Berlin
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: Wall Portrait of a Revolutionary, what we must know about communism,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: of course they don't say that that's an anti communism
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: book right in this article in New York Times. Probably
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: some type of mockingbird. Definitely, if he's looking through the
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: New Orleans Library the day before, you know, they're not
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: giving those type of details. Soviet potential and sorry, I'm
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: just skipping over here. Then the Overstreets book that we
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: had talked about, and a few fleming articles. An employee
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: at the Napoleon Library branch for Call today her meeting
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: with Oswald last summer. Miss Gerald Dane val Cressen, who
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: we had talked on earlier, said she had issued the
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: young man his library card around May twenty first, which
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: is about a week before May twenty, which is library card.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: Said that it was issued, so lends credence to either
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: he used another person's library card or he was issued
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: a possible temporary card. I don't think it's a mistake
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: in this instance.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: I just don't understand the point of a temporary library card.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: But no, I don't either. It's just a possible, plausible explanation.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't have certain things on him, Maybe he
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: came back. I'm just playing Devil's Out again. Oswalt's next
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: door neighbor, missus Jesse Gardner said today that the family
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: moved here in May. His belongings were transported in a
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: station wagon from Texas, driven by a woman. Don't know who.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: That could be wrong. That same station wagon and the
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: same woman returned in late September when the family left,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: mss Gardner said, Oswald left without paying rent and on
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: the something a month. I can't read that, but very interesting.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: This New York Times reporter, based on FBI document, is
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: rummaging through the Napoleon branch and the next day he
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: is writing an article that I think was firm page
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: on the New York Times. So what's going on here, sir?
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: Well? The tray was saying, that's one of the skull
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: crusher dudes. Paul Votier may have been related to LeHo, but.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: It comes from a somewhat sketchy source.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we would need to have to.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: I had a brain for it, so yeah. But and
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: that's one other thing too, about Judith very Baker's story.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: When did this dude have time to work, take care
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: of his wife and kids, read all these books and
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: carry on this elaborate affair with Jesus very Baker In
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: the summer of sixty three, Like, where can you fit
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: her in at really? I mean, seriously, there's no way.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: A late night booty call at best. I'm just saying
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: at best. But then again, where are you going to
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: do it? Because Marina is there at that point right.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know where they were doing it, don't
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: I don't even want to know where they were doing
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: you know, he's they didn't go anywhere in the evening,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: you know, he's no wonder Marina's pissed all this. All
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: this guy do is read.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: And Rob actually the warm commission.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: When they were questioning Marina asked him, ask her, I'm sorry,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: how many times Lee brought you to the library And
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: she said twice, maybe three times with the baby.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: You see all these books, Marina, you can't read them,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: but no, that is just for Americans.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: So and you know, Marina wasn't like thrilled with that.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: Maybe she was trying to, like, you know, just.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: Like any spirit time he had had to be reading.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: I think, well, I think a lot of Vastman already
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, that is a lot of books to consume,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: especially when we're not talking like you know, twenty page
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: little pocketbooks, you know what I mean? Like these were
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: legit three, four, five, six, seven, eight hundred page.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: Books, thought provoking, really academic.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: You know, not easy reads.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: No, no, and it's not what you would think for
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: someone of his education level, right.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: I think, like I think it was, I forget who
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: it was now. So I mentioned the one book missing
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: is uh Catcher in the Rye or Lord of the Flies,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: you know, one of these mk ulture books. Yeah, no doubt,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: but I think it's interesting too. You know, he's he's
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: into science fiction and biographies and history and all that,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: but he's also who doesn't like a good spy novel,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: you know, especially if you fancy yourself I want to
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: be spy?
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Rob when I uh so, when you read
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: this list in in the Warrant Commission exhibits, right, the
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: the books and the time that they're taken out from
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: the library and borrowed are not in order right of time.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: They're all mixed up, and it seems to me that
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: they put the most damning titles first.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, we had to go through and put these
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: in chronological order. They did not, No, no, they did not.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: They put them in order of damning or damning.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: Order, Yeah, because who's going to read the third page
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: when you read the first.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: Right right? And another James Bond.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And another thing is the the Manchester book on
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: the Portraits of JFK. Actually, in the warrant Commission they
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: have it as John Kennedy as the author, not Manchester,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: so it's consistent with the kind of his autobiography, right,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: it's it seems like they kind of switched around that
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: list to make it the most damning first is one
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: of my observations researching this in the past few days.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: For sure, very good observation. Thank you, thank you all right, Joe,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: Is that all you got, my friend?
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: I think it is. I think I apped enough, yeah,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: if I mean, I had a couple other things, but
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: kind of said the same thing, but pretty much, yes, sir.
• 1:31:01
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• 1:31:07
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• 1:31:10
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• 1:31:12
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  Speaker 1: The greatest lies are told in the name of truth,
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