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#1768 Vitamin B6 Toxicity - David Gillespie · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get our team. Welcome to another installment the show.
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  Speaker 1: It's Fatty Harps, It's a less bow. It's Tiffany and
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  Speaker 1: I've got a rock in my bra and I've found
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  Speaker 1: Navana cook. Can I cook?
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  Speaker 2: Get they Harps?
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  Speaker 1: But do you still have that rock in your undergarments?
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  Speaker 2: Or have you sometimes it slips out?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Really?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? The weekend Christmas, I went missing for a week.
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  Speaker 1: Are you still holding onto any semblance of the inner
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  Speaker 1: tranquility and nirvana that you brought back from the far
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  Speaker 1: away lands? Or have you just faltered to your hangry self?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 4: There, I never let myself get angry because that's just dangerous,
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  Speaker 4: whether there's a rock in my bra or not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Well, there's a simple solution to hangar in ess.
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  Speaker 1: It's called food.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I'm all over that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going to have to catch me up a
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  Speaker 3: little here, guys, Why is Tiffany wearing a rock in
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  Speaker 3: around it?
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  Speaker 2: Actually it's in my bra.
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  Speaker 3: That's a lot part of you.
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  Speaker 1: That's part of your undergarments.
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  Speaker 2: Even no one calls them mondays.
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  Speaker 1: Al Right, all right, well, both gillispo and I am
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  Speaker 1: not fucking twenty one years old, So give us some break.
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  Speaker 1: I did so, explained to Gillespo the aforementioned correlation between
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  Speaker 1: Nirvana and the rock and your bra.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Gillispo, when I came back from my trip to
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  Speaker 4: the Himalayas late last year, I brought half of the
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  Speaker 4: Himalayas with me. I flogged a piece of the Himalayas
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  Speaker 4: off every peak we hiked to, and there was one
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  Speaker 4: little piece that I like to just one day, I
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  Speaker 4: walked and I popped it in my bra that I
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  Speaker 4: just stuck my hands down.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I didn't mean to do that. I was in
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  Speaker 2: my own world then, like this is.
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  Speaker 4: Not video, and I forgot about it right, and I
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  Speaker 4: slept with it in there, and that night I had
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  Speaker 4: the best night sleep I've ever had recorded on my
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  Speaker 4: stra on my garment in my life.
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  Speaker 3: So so now you do it every night, I'll put.
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  Speaker 2: It in there sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but when she did come back, and I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know any of the rock story, but there was a
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  Speaker 1: I reckon there was about a week where you were
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  Speaker 1: really different than a week where you were kind of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, still in the ballpark. But I reckon, you
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  Speaker 1: know you've not you. I reckon, you're still about thirty
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  Speaker 1: percent of that. But you're definitely not exactly where you
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  Speaker 1: were when you got back from me.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not since Christmas, since after Christmas the break and yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm exhaust Perhaps it's the pause, I reckon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's also because you fucked your back at
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  Speaker 1: the gym deadlifting that that's that's exhausting as well. So
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  Speaker 1: you have a deadlift glespo. I know we're not talking
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  Speaker 1: about deadlifting.
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  Speaker 3: I maybe you did it once or twice when I
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  Speaker 3: was young and stupid in university. But when I saw
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  Speaker 3: the guys, you know, strappen the belts on to stop
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  Speaker 3: there in its falling out when they did it, I thought, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: maybe that's not for me.
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  Speaker 1: I actually think that makes you in it's more likely
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  Speaker 1: to fall out because it adds abdominal pressure. Yeah there,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah. I'm not a big fan of the belts.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I'm just going to tell for everyone
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  Speaker 1: who wants to hear this, I'm going to give you
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  Speaker 1: a quick tip on belts. One, it's not that they're terrible,
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  Speaker 1: but the design of most belts is actually bad design.
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  Speaker 1: Because most weight belts that you see is wide at
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  Speaker 1: the back, like something like one hundred mil or ten
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  Speaker 1: centimeters or four inches and narrow at the front quite
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  Speaker 1: often like thirty mel or one and a quarter or
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  Speaker 1: one and a half inches. An actual fact, that should
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  Speaker 1: be the same with about one hundred mil all the
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  Speaker 1: way around to actually give you that stability. Nobody needed
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  Speaker 1: to know that. But just for all of those who
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  Speaker 1: think I'm thinking of getting a weight belt, no, you know, preferably, well,
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say don't you use one? But I haven't
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  Speaker 1: used one for I used one three times about forty
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  Speaker 1: years ago, in not one since, so that doesn't mean anything.
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  Speaker 1: David Gillespie, We're not talking about strength training rocks in
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  Speaker 1: bras or in a piece or Nirvana. We were going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about booze because you wrote an article about booze,
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  Speaker 1: but you wanted to chat and Tip has got very
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  Speaker 1: excited at the idea of chatting about vitamin B six.
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  Speaker 1: I did not read that article. I do not know anything.
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  Speaker 1: So Tip might have a question. But I'm just going
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  Speaker 1: to open the vitamin B six door and you're going
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  Speaker 1: to tell us, and if I think of something brilliant
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  Speaker 1: or not brilliant, I'll ask it as we go.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Oh okay, so.
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  Speaker 1: No pressure, no pressure be amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Can't take any credit for the original story, which was
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  Speaker 3: an investigation done I think on the seven thirty report
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  Speaker 3: last week on the ABC. Not a show I can
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  Speaker 3: admit to watching terribly regularly, but I and to be
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  Speaker 3: wandering past the telly when my wife was watching it,
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  Speaker 3: and she was very interested in it. And I'll tell
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  Speaker 3: you why in a moment. But the show was about
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  Speaker 3: people overdosing on vitamin B six and it was It
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  Speaker 3: featured a doctor, I think she's retired now, emergency medicine
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  Speaker 3: specialist who had been diagnosed with all sorts of consequences
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  Speaker 3: that are generally known to be associated with overdosing on
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  Speaker 3: vitamin B six, most notably the peripheral neuropathy, which is
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  Speaker 3: you know where you get tingling in your fingers and
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  Speaker 3: your toes, your extremities and so on, and sometimes associated
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  Speaker 3: with diabetes and so on. But B six overdosing can
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  Speaker 3: be really really bad. It can be extremely toxic. And
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  Speaker 3: what the story was about was that a lot of
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  Speaker 3: Australians are unintentionally, particularly older women, menopausal women in particular,
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  Speaker 3: unintentionally overdosing on this not because they're racing out and
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  Speaker 3: golfing down tubs of B six supplements, but because they're
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  Speaker 3: taking magnesium tablets. So really magnesium tablets are you know,
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  Speaker 3: the reason most people take them is that they help
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  Speaker 3: with leg cramps, so you know, they're good for muscles,
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  Speaker 3: they help with leg cramps. There's a lot of leg
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  Speaker 3: cramping going on in menopause, so a lot of women
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  Speaker 3: who are approaching or in menopause are often told to
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  Speaker 3: take magnesium tablets, which is of course why my dear
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  Speaker 3: wife was watching this show with great interest, because she's
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  Speaker 3: taking magnesium tablets. What she hadn't realized is that those
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  Speaker 3: tablets often come with a very significant dose of vitamin
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  Speaker 3: B six. The one she was taking had fifty milligrams
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  Speaker 3: per tablet. Now that's meaningless to anybody who doesn't know
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  Speaker 3: the dosing recommendations for vitamin B but the recommended dose
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  Speaker 3: of vitamin B six for Australians is somewhere between one
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  Speaker 3: and two milligrams per day, so fifty is a lot.
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  Speaker 3: It's a hell of a one one and two Mili.
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  Speaker 1: I was just looking right now, yeah one, as you
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  Speaker 1: were doing that, I was looking at one point three
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  Speaker 1: to one point seven, So yeah, give will take one
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  Speaker 1: to two yep. And what did you say? Fifty million,
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  Speaker 1: fifty and.
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  Speaker 3: Not even not even highlighted. So you're taking a magnesium tablet. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and if you if you read the fine print on
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  Speaker 3: the back, you realize, actually, this magnesium tablet has fifty
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  Speaker 3: milligrams per tablet? Was vitamin B six in it? Now?
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  Speaker 1: Can I just read something that's interesting for this? So
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  Speaker 1: this is the idea, this Australian RDII is right. So
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  Speaker 1: nine to fifty year old people one point three, fifty
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  Speaker 1: one to seventy that's you, David one point seven and
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  Speaker 1: U Tiff.
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  Speaker 3: Are we going to get to your age group soon?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, I'm making fun of you. Pregnant women one
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  Speaker 1: point nine breastfeeding women too, So the absolute upper limit
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  Speaker 1: is breastfeeding women where the RDI or recommended daily intagers
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  Speaker 1: two milligrams and based on that, so even at the
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  Speaker 1: very upper limit recommendation, that's got twenty five times the
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  Speaker 1: recommended amount in those magnesium cells.
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  Speaker 3: And they're not the worst. Like I had a quick
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  Speaker 3: look around the supermarket after this, and there are a
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  Speaker 3: few brands there with sixty milligrams in per tablet. And
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  Speaker 3: the first thing that might occur to you is why
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  Speaker 3: why is vitamin B six being added into these tablets,
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  Speaker 3: And the answer is because vitamin B six is thought
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  Speaker 3: to help with magnesium absorption. So the people are selling
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  Speaker 3: magnesium perls have said, oh, well, vitamin's helps with absorption,
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  Speaker 3: so we'll go ahead and whack that in the in
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  Speaker 3: the pill without any real regard by the look of it,
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  Speaker 3: to the possibility that you might be seriously overdosing vitamin
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  Speaker 3: B six. Now, the question, by the way, is do
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  Speaker 3: we need any vitamin B six. You won't find too
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  Speaker 3: many supplements that claim it or that you can just
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  Speaker 3: go on by the vitamin B six because we get
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  Speaker 3: that one to two milligrams easily from our food supply.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a water soluble vitamin. Green leafy veedged that
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  Speaker 3: the usual story about vitamins. Okay, it's it's the sort
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  Speaker 3: of thing that people don't need to supplement for deficiency.
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  Speaker 3: Envitamin B six in Australia is almost non existent. So
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  Speaker 3: and if you were deficient vitamin B six, then you
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  Speaker 3: would probably be seeing a doctor who would give you
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  Speaker 3: an appropriate prescription for an appropriate level of B six supplementation.
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  Speaker 3: But the problem here is that we've got a large
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  Speaker 3: segment of the population unintentionally taking very serious doses of
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  Speaker 3: this stuff. Now, the TGA recently reviewed the evidence on
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  Speaker 3: this in twenty twenty and decided, you know, whoopsie, this
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  Speaker 3: could be a bit of a problem and required the
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  Speaker 3: manufacturers to put in place warnings on anything that has
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  Speaker 3: more than ten milligrams per dose. So the TGA says,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the therapeutic goods. The regulator who regulates vitamins
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  Speaker 3: in Australia said, oh geez, that's a bit unfortunate. So listen.
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  Speaker 3: What we'll do is we'll make them put a warning
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  Speaker 3: on the label. So they've got more than ten milligrams in,
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  Speaker 3: they've got to say that that's the case. So I
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  Speaker 3: went looking for the warning on the ones that my
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  Speaker 3: wife was taking, because fifty milligrams is definitely more than ten,
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  Speaker 3: and I certainly hadn't noticed a warning when buying them.
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  Speaker 3: But it was there. It was there. It was in
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  Speaker 3: very very very small print under a lot of other
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  Speaker 3: very very small print in black on an orange background,
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  Speaker 3: which is really easy to read, and it said if
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  Speaker 3: you notice tingling in your fingers, stop taking these. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that is can I just read? Also, something else
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  Speaker 1: interesting I'm doing research while you're doing that. So vitin
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  Speaker 1: B six toxicity also known as mega vitamin B six
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  Speaker 1: syndrome because when someone takes too much, as David says,
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  Speaker 1: so symptoms everyone numbness and tingling hands, feet, blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 1: muscle weakness. Having a really scary thought as I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: all this, which I'll share with you, muscle weakness, weakness
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  Speaker 1: in the legs and glutes, or a gradual deterioration of
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  Speaker 1: muscle strength, painful skin lesions or bone pains, walking difficulty,
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  Speaker 1: balanced difficulty, other symptoms heartburn, nausea, sensitivity, sunlight. This I'm
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  Speaker 1: when I get off this call, I'm going to ring
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  Speaker 1: my mum and see if my dad started taking a
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  Speaker 1: magnesium supplement in the last six months, because my like,
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  Speaker 1: he's getting old, but in the last six months, his
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  Speaker 1: all of this stuff we're talking about is increased. It
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  Speaker 1: seems to have ten xt like at a disproportionate rate,
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  Speaker 1: which may or may have been not related. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's really interesting. And also here's another one, just quickly, David,
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  Speaker 1: A twenty fifteen study conducted at London Hospital, so just
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  Speaker 1: with random patients who are in there for other reasons.
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  Speaker 1: They check their B six and thirty eight percent of
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  Speaker 1: them had, So that's just a random sample thirty eight
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  Speaker 1: percent of a general group, and ten percent of them
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  Speaker 1: exhibited sensory in Europe fee and that's like they weren't
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  Speaker 1: in there for that. That was just a group that
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  Speaker 1: they wow.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, a lot of people could be seriously overdosing
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  Speaker 3: on B six without the slightest knowledge of it. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of multi vitamins included, as we said, but the
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  Speaker 3: big one here is magnesium. It's a seriously large dose.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, you can buy magnesium tablets that have
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  Speaker 3: no B six in them, which is of course what
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  Speaker 3: I've gone and done, but you have to really be
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  Speaker 3: looking for it because the vast majority of them have
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  Speaker 3: B six in them, and they all have the compulsory
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  Speaker 3: warning label on them in the very very fine print
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  Speaker 3: way way at the back. But this is a serious,
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  Speaker 3: serious issue, and the story on seven thirty, which I'd
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  Speaker 3: recommend anyone go take a look at. I'm sure Tiffany
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  Speaker 3: can put a link in the show notes, but anyone
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  Speaker 3: can go look at that, and I think it's worth
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  Speaker 3: watching it because this is a doctor that they're talking
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  Speaker 3: about She's an emergency medicine specialist, has been, has practiced
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  Speaker 3: all her life, and knew nothing about this, absolutely nothing
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  Speaker 3: about this. The TGA says, oh, we told all the doctors,
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  Speaker 3: and she's saying, well, no one told me. And I
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  Speaker 3: rather suspect that many gps don't know about this, and
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  Speaker 3: even if they do know about B six toxicity, they're
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  Speaker 3: probably not asking their patients are you taking magnesium tablets?
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  Speaker 3: Because putting the two together is a bit of a leap.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine if it was I mean anything else where we said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, for example, I think the idea for
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  Speaker 1: sodium is something like two thousand milligrams a day or something.
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  Speaker 1: Two grams is it? But imagine if imagine if so
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  Speaker 1: two thousand milligrams because it's salt, and we go, oh, yeah, fuck,
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  Speaker 1: you can't have too much sold it'll kill your blood
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  Speaker 1: pressure and all that, right, Imagine if there was something
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  Speaker 1: that had, you know, twenty five times that, so instead
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  Speaker 1: of two thousand, it had fifty thousand milligrams of salt,
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  Speaker 1: we'd all be running around with our arms in the air.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, well, the other thing to know about this,
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  Speaker 3: sorry to interrupt you, but the other thing to know
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  Speaker 3: about this is we get rid of I mean, we're
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  Speaker 3: urinate out like all water soluble vitamins. You know, we
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  Speaker 3: get rid of this stuff. The trouble is we're pretty
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  Speaker 3: good at retaining it too. So one tablet that contains
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  Speaker 3: fifty milligrams is thirty days worth. It will take us
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  Speaker 3: thirty days to get rid of that let alone. If
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  Speaker 3: we're taking it every single day, which is usually the
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  Speaker 3: recommended dose from magnesium tablet, then you are seriously taking
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  Speaker 3: it because then it's a cumulative effect.
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  Speaker 1: That old kind of I was going to say lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a lifestyle. But I actually used to train
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  Speaker 1: a doctor I wish I'm not going to mention in
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  Speaker 1: his name, and this was I've trained a bunch of doctors,
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  Speaker 1: but this was early day. I clearly remember him saying
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  Speaker 1: to me when I was talking him about vitamins. He goes, well,
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  Speaker 1: they don't really do much for a start, That's what
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  Speaker 1: he said. And he goes, but you can't overdose on
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  Speaker 1: any of that stuff. You'll just piss it out. Excuse
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  Speaker 1: my language, but that's what he said. But I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 1: and for a long time I believed him that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't really matter, like, you know, if you took
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  Speaker 1: if you took too much, it didn't matter because you're
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  Speaker 1: just weird out when you go to the toilet.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I was definitely in that camp too for
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  Speaker 3: a long time. But there's starting to be some really
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  Speaker 3: concerning things even with water. So there's two different types
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  Speaker 3: of vitamins, fat soluble and water soluble. The vast majority
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  Speaker 3: of them, the ones we come across normally are water soluble,
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  Speaker 3: so vitamin C, vitamin B and so on, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: will urinate those out. But even with vitamin C, the
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  Speaker 3: people think you you can't possibly have too much of
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  Speaker 3: a good thing with that. There really are some quite
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  Speaker 3: concerning studies about links between high dose vitamin C and
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  Speaker 3: urinary issues in males, so prostate cancer and other urinary difficulties.
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  Speaker 3: So look, I don't want to be scaring your listeners
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  Speaker 3: to death on that one, but there are studies out
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  Speaker 3: there that sort of ring alarm bells about that. Now
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  Speaker 3: they are high dose y. You know, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 3: popping the occasional vitamin C is going to be doing
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  Speaker 3: anyone any harm, But yeah, I don't think it's entirely
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  Speaker 3: true to say that there are no there's no chance
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  Speaker 3: of harm from vitamin consumption. But particularly where you're talking
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  Speaker 3: about something like this where the person's not intentionally taking
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  Speaker 3: the vitamin at all. They don't even know they're taking
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  Speaker 3: the vitamin.
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  Speaker 1: That's the important thing. Like they are literally being given
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  Speaker 1: a ridiculous sleep MEGAMEGAMEGA dose of something that they didn't choose,
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  Speaker 1: Like they're actually getting it for the magnesium.
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  Speaker 3: At least with vitamin C, if you're taking high dose
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  Speaker 3: vitamin C, you know, if you're chugging half a bottle
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  Speaker 3: of thousand milligram tablets vitamin C every day, you know
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  Speaker 3: you're doing it. It would be something to work your
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  Speaker 3: way through. So and you might well think to yourself,
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if I should do a bit of research
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  Speaker 3: about whether this is good for me or not. But
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  Speaker 3: in this circumstance, you don't even know you're doing it. Now,
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  Speaker 3: with the fat soluble vitamins, you've got to be even
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  Speaker 3: more cautious because a lot of them are permanently part
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  Speaker 3: of us or don't go away quickly. So there are
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  Speaker 3: certainly other vitamins where you know there are maximum limits
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  Speaker 3: for very very good reasons.
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  Speaker 1: So I've just enlisted the services of my personal assistant
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  Speaker 1: also known as chat GPT, and he tells me because
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  Speaker 1: mine's a bloke, so certain vitamins can be toxic when
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  Speaker 1: consuming excessive amounts, which we know, particularly fat soluble vitamins. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Vitamin A, D, E, and K is on their list.
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  Speaker 1: Wow A symptoms headache, dissiness, nausea, liver damage, blurred vision,
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  Speaker 1: fucking our bone pain or fractures, and during pregnancy, excessive
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  Speaker 1: viamin A can cause birth defects.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Vitamin D in takes above four thousand iu a day
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  Speaker 1: and not recommended. Nausea, vomiting, kidney damage, muscle weakness, calcification
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: of soft tissues. Vitamin E includes risk of bleeding, impaired
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: blood clotting blah but blood Vitamin K rare but can occur,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: liver damage and hemolytic anemia. Water the wages quickly, B
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: six and B three.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The thing though, once again coming back to it,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: is you're not going to be act dentally taking any
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: of those the BC except B six, except B six. Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I mean for most of those, you are going to
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: be quite intentionally taking them, probably under the advice of
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: a health professional, because you've been diagnosed as being deficient
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: in some way, and there's probably a really good reason
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: for that, but this one, you're getting huge doses, way
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: over the recommended limits, doses that require warnings on products,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: and and you don't even know it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Amazing, that's amazing, and so well that, like, what what
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: would happen from? I mean, you're a lawyer as well
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: as a researcher and a general bloody noel, but we
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: love you for that. What would what would have to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: happen for? I mean, this is maybe a bigger question
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: than then I should ask, But what would have to
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: happen for that? Like? What's the process? Would that years
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to undo that? So that they're assuming you warnings on
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: labels and stuff? Ah?
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I think it would take one
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: big lawsuit to get to get some pretty serious action there. Personally,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I think the TGA should be doing more than requiring
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: people to put virtually invisible warnings on labels when there's
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: something like this going on, particularly when they themselves have
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: assessed the evidence and said there is real risk of
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: harm here, you know, I feel we should get more
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: from our regulators when there's something like this going on.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think we should be hearing about it on
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: a news show on Telly. I think it should be
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: our regulators jumping all over this and saying, hang on,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: this can't happen.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, can I ask? I was going to say, can
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I ask a personal question and then ask a personal question?
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: So ignore the first question. My personal question is do
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you take any supplements? And if so, what if you're
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: happy to share?
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I have started in the last few years taking garlic pearls.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: That's the only supplement I take.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Is that because you've got six kids and you don't
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: want any more?
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: There are other ways to sort that out. I'll share
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: you some pictures later.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Ple he's done.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: No, but garlic piells are primarily because there's been some
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: really really interesting research. There's a particular chemical in garlic
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: that prevents the attachment of many viruses, and so if
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: you want a general prophylactic against being infected with a
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: multitude of viruses, then it's not a bad habit to
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: get into. And how that are chomping on garlic every day? Yeah?
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: What's in garlic pills? Here we go?
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, so does chat ebt have a name? Is it
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Fred or something like that?
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Brian, Brian Brian.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: What supplements do you I should know this, but I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: actually don't. What supplements do you take regularly?
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: I take creatine, fish oil, and I just had just
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: got back into taking magnesium, which is why I fell
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: over backwards after seeing that article.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Did you go did you look at the amount of
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: whatever I forget already? B six sorry B six in
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: your magnesium?
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: And I think it was from memory. I think it
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: was like forty milligrams or something.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wow?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: And where are those those pills now?
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: In the bin?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: It's a powder and he's going straight in the bin.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Hey, Gil, I spose I've got another related but not
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: specific to this conversation, but related question. So I recognize
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: started reading labels, you know, on food and supplements and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: pills and powders and potions. And I don't know when
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I was as long as they've been around late thirty years.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And and because I've read so many labels, and I
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: look at them, you know, look at the whatever I'm
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: going to buy, not just the ingredients, but then the
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: breakdown of what's in per hundred grams. I reckon that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: at least half of the things that I look at
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that what is in that what is in the the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: one hundred milligrams you know, per hundred milligrams, what you
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: know the different vitamins, minerals, macro nutrients, fat, protein, carbs, sugar.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I reckon they're inaccurate. I reckon a huge amount of
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: them are inaccurate. Do you do you is there Do
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you have any insight into that, like.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Any inaccurate in what sense what it was?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: As in, I don't like, I don't think what they're
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: saying is in there? Is in there? Yeah?
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I think what's an example?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I literally looked at something the other
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: day and it was per hundred grams and if you
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: added up that just the protein and the carbohydrate, it
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: came out to one hundred and twelve grams per hundred grams.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Well then that was it an American product?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: No, No, okay, it was Australian. But I mean literally,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: like when I was looking at it, and I don't
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: want to throw anyone under the bus, but I was
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: looking at it, I'm like, well, what this label says?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: And it also I was looking at something and it
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: also said like I literally looked at this product which
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: is a supplement, and it said that it had this
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: huge amount of protein in it, and I looked at
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the ingredients and there was not only was there not
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: that amount of protein, there was zero protein in there. Zero.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Wow, okay, like zero.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: There was not one ingredient in this product that contained protein.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: There are significant penalties for false and misleading conduct in
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: the labeling of products, so you could report that manufacturer
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: to the TGA or who I think they're the regulator,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: and they would be investigated. So by and large, I've
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: found products are roughly right. I would say that, but
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I'm only looking at food products. I'm not looking at
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: supplements and so on. Sometimes you see one where it's
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: clearly impossible, where either it doesn't add up to one
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: hundred or there's just no way that product contains that
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: much protein or fat or carbohydrate or whatever it is
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: they're claiming, and it's clearly an error on the label.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: But I'd say I've encountered that maybe one in one hundred,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: which is probably too high. But yeah, I haven't found
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: it's an extremely regular currents.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, wow, Well that was interesting. I think we'll
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: do the other one next time. But that was good.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Have you got any questions tip? Before we say goodbye
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: to the great man. I'm actually I'm actually keen to
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: go and look at my magnesium and see what's in there,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: because it might be going. I think it's probably going
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: to be going in the bin.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I'm just yeah, replacement.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I did find one, but I don't have it in
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: front of me. Unfortunately. I got it. I think it
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: was at the local calls. There's quite a lot of
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: brands of magnesium, but one of them had no added anything.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: It was just straight up magnesium.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: While I've got you here and while we're still recording,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I want to say two things. One is blatant plug
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: and one is some info that I keep getting when
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I say keep a couple of times a week I
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: get asked this. So the first one is, so the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: mayo that David recommended that it is, the mayo that
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I use is called good fat Mayo. It's called good
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: fat Mao. I buy it all worse. It's about twelve
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: bucks or something.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Too much, is what it is. It's too damn much.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: It is it is.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: It's kind of I mean, you can buy the shit
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: one for four, but fuck the shit one, shout and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: get the good one for twelve. But I mean, it's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: not unless you're spooning it on with a dessert spoon.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: It lasts a fair one. It's called good fat mayo.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I have no affiliation with them. I'm not suggesting you
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: buy it. But for the people who keep asking me,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: what was the one that he recommends and the one
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: that I use, That is the answer to your question.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Twelve bucks.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Just on that one, Hang on on that one. I
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: will send. I will send Tiffany the recipe. It is
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: very easy to make mayo? How very easy?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: How long does that?
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: It takes out takes me on a minute to make it.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: So you need olive oil and an egg. So it's, well, well.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: We're here, Just give the fucking recipe.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, he just did, didn't he.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I'll I'll give it to you in writing, because you
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: know there's some technique. But but yeah, it's it doesn't
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: take long as long as you've got a blender. If
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: you haven't got a blender, it will take you a
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: long time.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Wow, I'm pretty sure. Anyway. And the other thing I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: want to say, which is completely unrelated to guests by gillspo,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: but February three, my new mentoring program kicks off. Everybody,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: February three, go to my website Craig Harper dot net
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: and have a captain cooker that mate, We appreciate you
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: as always. That was I reckon. That was better than
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: last week. So well done. Keep trying.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I'll try try harder.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Do your best. And also, how fucking good is your
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: kid by the way, James.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: James, Yeah, I mean he's got a new cover.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: You're on the slide, he's on the rise.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Tell you what he's thing on Monday. I mean I
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: was watching the media keeping an eye off for him,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: and I think he ended up well over two hundred
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: media appearances on Monday, So that's amazing.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: And if you don't know what you're talking about. Everybody
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: interviewed James a week or so ago and it came
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: out well, it had to. It was embargoed until Monday yesterday.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: What is today? Monday? Monday six am and our stuff
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: goes up at midnight, so we had to put it
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: up yesterday. But great chat with him, and yeah, no,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: he is apart from the fact that the work he's
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: doing is great and great, I mean it's just a
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: great thing that he's doing and highlighting something that needs
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to be highlighted and addressing it. But also, Yeah, he's
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: so good. Is such a natural? Yeah, so well done him?
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Will you?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I know you probably don't say things like this because
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: you're an old fashioned dad, but is there any pride
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: in there? Do you go?
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Fuck?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: He's doing all right?
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Look I know he's got room improvement. You know what
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Have you been to the Ron Harper School of Platitudes?
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Come away with the two points? That's all the man is.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. All right, Mike, We'll see you next week.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Alright, I see you later.