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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
- 0:06S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
- 0:10S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
- 0:16S1: the truth daily.
- 0:17S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
- 0:21S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
- 0:25S2: that would make it worth it.
- 0:26S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:29S3: the life source, which is God.
- 0:32S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 0:36S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 0:39S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 0:44S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 0:48S1: and crew.
- 0:49S5: Boy, you have been a conduit of truth and hope
- 0:52S5: and love. And we want to celebrate with you. Boom crew.
- 0:56S5: I don't even know how to put words to it,
- 0:57S5: but the vast majority of 2.5 million was picked up
- 1:01S5: by you in the boom crew. Yeah. Finished up share
- 1:04S5: last week and we did some extra time. Ali and
- 1:08S5: I stuck around. Super D did as well, and we
- 1:11S5: were plugging away all the way until 11:00. And right
- 1:15S5: before 11:00 we broke the ribbon of 2.5 million, which
- 1:20S5: was beautiful. So we had another hour to go and
- 1:23S5: we piled in another, I don't know, 60 some thousand dollars.
- 1:27S5: But from the bottom of our heart, thank you to everyone.
- 1:31S5: All the prayers. In fact, I'm going to be getting
- 1:34S5: a video out to you. Just did we already get
- 1:37S5: it out the video thanking them for what happened? I
- 1:40S5: think we're getting it.
- 1:40S4: We're going to get it going. Going to get it out. Yes.
- 1:43S5: There we go. So we we love you. We are
- 1:45S5: grateful for you. And it is flat out amazing. We
- 1:49S5: had an hour that set an all time record, 250
- 1:53S5: plus gifts given in one hour, I think on Friday.
- 1:56S5: Was that Friday. My days are all mixed up.
- 1:59S4: That was Friday.
- 2:00S5: Was it Friday?
- 2:00S4: That was Friday.
- 2:01S5: So it was 250. Some gifts in an hour. That's.
- 2:04S5: That's six gifts a minute.
- 2:07S3: That's incredible.
- 2:08S5: That's you. Boom crew. That's what you do. And from
- 2:12S5: the bottom of our heart. Thank you. The unstoppable gospel.
- 2:16S5: It changes everything. And we are grateful that we can
- 2:20S5: even be with you this morning. We're humbled to even
- 2:23S5: be with you. We're just glad to. Thanks for letting
- 2:26S5: us hang out with you. It's pretty cool, isn't it? Super.
- 2:29S5: What's on your heart about that week?
- 2:31S4: My biggest thing with that week is just to see
- 2:33S4: how everyone came together. Didn't matter who, where, what, when.
- 2:38S4: Just everyone came together. The thing is, you know, do something.
- 2:42S4: And they did. Everyone just worked so much as a team.
- 2:44S4: And my biggest heart was how many new people came
- 2:48S4: to the crew. New givers this year. Those who just
- 2:51S4: tapped into the monthly giving upped their monthly giving. I mean,
- 2:54S4: come on. The response was overwhelming. And just as Carl said,
- 2:59S4: there's no words to share what's in our hearts this morning.
- 3:02S5: Yeah. Overwhelmed. Over overwhelmed. It was epic. And that last
- 3:08S5: hour before we broke the ribbon was just one of
- 3:10S5: the craziest things to behold. I mean, it was just nutso.
- 3:14S5: I lost my voice. And, uh, it's a little on
- 3:18S5: the edge, but who cares? That was worth being poured out, man,
- 3:21S5: that was a drink offering all the way. And it's beautiful. Uh,
- 3:28S5: there's some of you that weren't there, and you want to.
- 3:30S5: You understand it. You get it, man. The gospel changes everything.
- 3:33S5: And you believe in the unstoppable gospel. All you got
- 3:38S5: to do is, um, all you got to do. Uh,
- 3:42S5: if you want to be a part in zero arm twisting,
- 3:44S5: still super diet. You got the facts here. What do
- 3:47S5: you got?
- 3:47S4: Absolutely. If you text the word share, just text the
- 3:50S4: word share to 800 555 7898. We've got a link there.
- 3:55S4: There is a special designated number to still use. So
- 3:57S4: we'll get you all that information. Just text the word
- 3:59S4: share to 800 555, 78, 98 and we'll hook you up.
- 4:05S5: And one of the coolest things that happened on Saturday
- 4:09S5: is that super day was a birthday girl on the
- 4:12S5: day when we broke the ribbon.
- 4:14S3: That's a good birthday.
- 4:15S4: That was my gift. I know it was like the
- 4:16S4: best gift ever. Like thank you.
- 4:19S5: Happy birthday.
- 4:20S4: Thank you. Happy birthday. Thank you.
- 4:21S5: 38 years old and going strong.
- 4:24S4: 39.
- 4:25S5: 39.
- 4:26S3: How do you feel for 39?
- 4:28S4: Feeling great. Good. Feeling great. Yeah, yeah, it was a
- 4:31S4: good year, so I thought I'd do it again.
- 4:35S5: You know what I. I'm praying that this year is
- 4:38S5: the best year of your life. I wrote that on
- 4:41S5: a little card to you. I'm wanting this year to
- 4:43S5: be the best year of your life. Oh, great. She
- 4:46S5: didn't get the card yet. We haven't celebrated. Oh, great. Okay,
- 4:50S5: there we go. Carl. Way to go.
- 4:52S3: All right.
- 4:53S5: What do.
- 4:54S3: You mean?
- 4:54S5: What do.
- 4:54S4: You mean? Nothing.
- 4:56S3: It's a little tease ahead.
- 4:57S5: It's okay. Yeah. Little tease ahead. I like that. Basically,
- 4:59S5: that's what I said. This year to be the best
- 5:02S5: year of your life.
- 5:03S4: Thank you.
- 5:04S5: Oh my goodness. Thank you, thank you. So thank you,
- 5:07S5: thank you thank you. 800 696. 24. You can go
- 5:11S5: online to moody radio.org. If you didn't get a gift
- 5:14S5: in and you wanted to. We want to make sure
- 5:16S5: that you have an opportunity. Zero arm twisting. But hey,
- 5:21S5: we're not reaching a budget. We're reaching people. And you
- 5:24S5: get it. And we're so grateful for you. We love
- 5:26S5: you big time. We got some other big news. We
- 5:29S5: got some other big news. You might have heard a
- 5:31S5: voice in here you haven't heard in a while.
- 5:33S4: Who is.
- 5:33S3: That?
- 5:34S5: Who's that coming up here? In a moment, we're going
- 5:36S5: to reintroduce them to everyone.
- 5:38S3: So you might have forgotten who we know.
- 5:41S5: Listen, we've got some. No, nobody forgot, but we might
- 5:44S5: have some new people to the crew in the last month.
- 5:46S5: In fact, I know we do because we had people give.
- 5:48S5: That said, they've been listening for like a week or two.
- 5:50S3: Oh that's awesome.
- 5:51S4: That's a very good point. What we did.
- 5:53S5: So who is that voice? Who is that man? Who
- 5:58S5: is that man? The mysterious man.
- 6:00S4: It's a great story.
- 6:01S5: Yeah, it's a great story. And we'll have it for
- 6:03S5: you coming up here. Welcome aboard. For all of you
- 6:06S5: that are new to the crew. Let us introduce one
- 6:09S5: of the old golden oldies around here. Hang on. That's
- 6:12S5: coming up.
- 6:14S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 6:18S4: A lot of people prayed.
- 6:19S5: Yeah, a lot of people prayed during chairman. And we're
- 6:22S5: so grateful for all of you. How many were on
- 6:24S5: the prayer team this year?
- 6:25S4: 660.
- 6:27S3: Wow.
- 6:27S4: Prayer Warriors.
- 6:29S5: Six.
- 6:29S4: And we even had extra 60 others emailed me saying, hey,
- 6:32S4: I know I'm not in the schedule, but I'm still praying.
- 6:35S4: I'm like, wow.
- 6:36S5: That is so cool.
- 6:37S4: Yeah.
- 6:38S5: Well, we got a new voice here. Let's hear it. Who?
- 6:41S5: Who are you, sir?
- 6:42S3: Hey, it's me, Jonathan Radke. Or otherwise known as Young Thunder.
- 6:46S5: Yeah, man, we might have some new people to the crew,
- 6:48S5: but we've missed you for a month. But it's been good. What?
- 6:51S5: What is going on in your life and what are
- 6:54S5: you learning?
- 6:54S3: Well, what's going on in my life is I've got
- 6:58S3: a new baby girl at the home. Uh, little little sailor. Grace. Frankie. Uh.
- 7:06S5: Sailor grace. What a great.
- 7:08S3: Name. Yeah. I I'm so happy. My wife, my wife
- 7:11S3: came up with the name. And at first she said sailor.
- 7:13S3: And during the naming process. And I was like, I
- 7:16S3: don't really know. I don't think so. And then later
- 7:17S3: she brought it up again because she was pretty committed
- 7:20S3: to it. And I was like, you know what sounds good?
- 7:21S3: I think we need to do that. So. So we
- 7:24S3: did it. I'm glad you kept bringing.
- 7:26S5: It thrown in.
- 7:26S3: There. That's exactly. Uh, that was her too. She came
- 7:28S3: up with the whole name. That's good. Yeah, it was awesome.
- 7:31S3: And so, uh, she came September 11th, about 4:00 in
- 7:35S3: the morning, and she's been with us for a month now,
- 7:37S3: which is insane to think about what.
- 7:39S5: A good rewrite I on September 11th.
- 7:42S3: Yeah. Amen to that.
- 7:43S5: What a great contrast.
- 7:45S3: A nice way to remember a hard day for a
- 7:48S3: lot of people. Absolutely. And, uh, it was I was
- 7:51S3: just telling somebody that the day before, on the 10th, uh,
- 7:55S3: my wife and I were dropping off her car at
- 7:58S3: the auto body shop. And I was walking back to
- 8:01S3: my car and I said, wait a minute. Let me
- 8:03S3: go grab your hospital bag from your car just to
- 8:06S3: make in case something happens. And as.
- 8:08S5: Wise man.
- 8:09S4: I know.
- 8:09S3: Right. And as I'm walking back, she rolls down the
- 8:11S3: window and says, uh, I think my water broke. And
- 8:14S3: I said, are you serious? And she goes, yeah, I'm serious.
- 8:17S3: And then we got home and she goes, yeah, my
- 8:18S3: water definitely broke. And I said, okay, then we need
- 8:21S3: to get to the hospital.
- 8:22S4: What a.
- 8:23S3: Story. And so we got going. But, uh, this month
- 8:25S3: has been a really sweet time with my family. And
- 8:29S3: God's been teaching me a lot. First, he taught me
- 8:32S3: to appreciate the small moments because yeah, I was gone
- 8:35S3: for a month and, and you know, when you're, when
- 8:38S3: you're with a newborn and you're not getting a lot
- 8:40S3: of sleep and you know, when you're up in the
- 8:43S3: day and you got to take care of your toddler
- 8:45S3: and you still got to go to the park and
- 8:46S3: the library and all those things. so your your toddler
- 8:49S3: can have a lot of fun. You can feel really
- 8:51S3: tired and you can kind of want to fast forward
- 8:54S3: through those moments. But God communicated something to me during
- 8:57S3: that time that was really helpful. And he said, Jonathan,
- 9:00S3: this month off will be the longest period of time
- 9:05S3: that you have with your family without work. I want
- 9:09S3: you to enjoy it and savor it and appreciate it.
- 9:13S3: And that was really helpful to just say, hey, this
- 9:17S3: can be hard and it's difficult and it's tiring, but
- 9:20S3: don't have a desire to fast forward through these moments.
- 9:22S3: Experience them well because it is the last time, or
- 9:27S3: very well may be the last time that I experience
- 9:29S3: these things with them in that way. And then the
- 9:32S3: other thing is, is that, man, I learn it more
- 9:36S3: and more each day, especially now with more kids in
- 9:38S3: my house, is that I am not in control. Uh.
- 9:43S3: I'm really not. I'm really not.
- 9:46S5: And I didn't actually think you were. Did you?
- 9:48S3: No, but I desire it.
- 9:49S5: So much, soul man. It's like I am not in
- 9:52S5: control here.
- 9:53S3: I know I'm not in control. But the thing is,
- 9:55S3: is I fight for it so much. You know, I, I,
- 9:58S3: I have a little two and a half year old
- 10:00S3: who I really want her to go brush her teeth sometimes,
- 10:03S3: and she would rather run away from me and run
- 10:05S3: circles around the house instead of listen. And, and I
- 10:08S3: love that about her. But sometimes it's hard because I
- 10:11S3: want to be in control of things. And that's really difficult.
- 10:14S3: And this last week, my, you know, we had a
- 10:16S3: little cold going through the house and my infant got
- 10:18S3: the cold. And that's really hard to see your one
- 10:21S3: month old struggling with something that you can't do much about. Uh,
- 10:25S3: you're out of control.
- 10:27S5: That's good.
- 10:27S3: And, and that can be difficult, but it's good because
- 10:30S3: it led me to I was walking around the, you know,
- 10:33S3: I couldn't get her to calm down. The only place
- 10:35S3: I could was out on the deck at night. It
- 10:37S3: was cool. And the fresh air was helping her sleep.
- 10:40S3: And I was looking up at the stars and it
- 10:43S3: was just good to see.
- 10:44S5: You're going to get me crying.
- 10:45S3: Here.
- 10:46S4: I know right?
- 10:47S3: It was good to look up and say, God, whether
- 10:50S3: things work out the way I want them to or not.
- 10:53S3: You're good and I can trust you with it all.
- 10:56S3: And and that was a really sweet time I was
- 10:58S3: able to have with him. And so God, God taught
- 11:01S3: me a really good few things on this month off
- 11:04S3: and I'm really happy that I had it.
- 11:06S5: That is beautiful, man. Man.
- 11:07S3: Yeah.
- 11:09S5: Yeah. Welcome back, young Thunder.
- 11:10S3: Thank you.
- 11:11S4: It's so good to be back.
- 11:12S5: He's back in the saddle again.
- 11:14S3: I'm really. This is the longest I've sat down for, uh,
- 11:17S3: for a good couple of weeks. I'm up running around
- 11:20S3: and doing a lot of things. I'm like. I really
- 11:21S3: like sitting in this chair. It's nice.
- 11:23S5: We gotta get this show done so you can go
- 11:25S5: home and rescue your wife.
- 11:26S3: Yes, I know she's going to be working hard today
- 11:28S3: until I get home.
- 11:29S4: Now how's Eliana? How's Big Sis.
- 11:31S3: Doing? Oh my goodness. She loves being a big sister. She.
- 11:36S3: She wakes up in the morning and runs to Salem
- 11:38S3: and goes, hi, little Selah and kisses her on the
- 11:40S3: head and asks asks if.
- 11:42S5: She wakes her up.
- 11:44S3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. At night. We have to go. Okay.
- 11:47S3: We need to use your whisper voice because your little
- 11:49S3: sister's sleeping. But she she has not grown tired of it.
- 11:53S3: She really is happy about having her in the house.
- 11:55S3: And that makes things so much more easy.
- 11:57S5: How great is it that God designed kids needing major
- 12:01S5: sleep when they come out of the womb? Could you
- 12:03S5: imagine if a kid came out and all they need
- 12:05S5: is six hours?
- 12:07S3: Oh my gosh. No, no, because, uh, she well, she
- 12:11S3: also can't do anything. She's too small to do anything.
- 12:13S3: So you kind of have to hold her. And then
- 12:14S3: she's just looking at you and staring with her little, like,
- 12:16S3: shaky head because her neck muscles aren't strong enough yet.
- 12:19S3: And you're like, you're awake and, like, I can lay
- 12:22S3: you down on the floor in front of some stuff,
- 12:23S3: but you really can't play with much. So I am
- 12:25S3: glad you sleep a lot right now is helpful.
- 12:29S4: She's a beautiful little girl.
- 12:30S3: Oh, she's so sweet.
- 12:31S4: Oh, the pictures, man.
- 12:32S5: So I want to pitch it to you. Boom crew.
- 12:34S5: What are the little things that you, God is prompting
- 12:37S5: you by Jonathan sharing that story. By the power of
- 12:41S5: the spirit. I want you to think about a little
- 12:44S5: thing today that God is asking you to enjoy that.
- 12:49S5: Otherwise you might just fly right past.
- 12:52S3: Mhm.
- 12:53S5: I want you to think about that. What is that
- 12:56S5: little thing that God is asking you to enjoy that otherwise,
- 13:02S5: right on by it. I mean, come on, man. We
- 13:05S5: are living in the moment. There's a time for everything,
- 13:09S5: but there's always time for enjoying the small blessings from God.
- 13:15S5: What is that small blessing from God that the Spirit
- 13:20S5: of God is showing you? Enjoy this moment. Sometimes we're
- 13:25S5: going so fast we just run right past blessings. Or
- 13:29S5: we kind of hope that, well, maybe this will go
- 13:32S5: by more quickly. And maybe God saying no. Enjoy it.
- 13:37S5: 805 557898 text us your response to that. You can
- 13:41S5: call in as well. 805 557898. In fact, let's get
- 13:46S5: calls and texts in here. What is that little thing?
- 13:49S5: Because of what Jonathan shared, the Spirit of God is
- 13:52S5: prompting you. Enjoy this right now. 805 557898, 800 555, 78, 98.
- 14:03S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
- 14:07S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 14:10S5: Uh, we're getting some good feedback here. The sunshine coming
- 14:14S5: through my kitchen window. The fabulous early fall weather we
- 14:18S5: have been having. Okay. Talking about the little things you
- 14:22S5: need to stop and just say thank you, God for that.
- 14:26S5: My kids son graduated been has accepted his first job
- 14:30S5: as an engineer daughter at Urbana, major elementary teacher and
- 14:36S5: in the National Guard. You just go. Thanks God for
- 14:39S5: my kids.
- 14:40S4: Absolutely.
- 14:40S5: They aren't perfect, but boy, they're a blessing. Truly grateful
- 14:45S5: for the opportunity to be the caretaker for my mom. Oh.
- 14:49S5: Mom's got dementia, but she's grateful for those times. Wow.
- 14:55S5: Hard times. Because it allows me to rely on God
- 14:59S5: more and more. Boy, when you can get there. Now
- 15:02S5: we're growing up in grace.
- 15:04S3: Yeah. I love this one. I'm thankful for the young
- 15:06S3: man who sits behind me in church and sings every
- 15:08S3: worship song loudly and boldly. It blesses my heart to
- 15:11S3: hear this man unashamedly praise God.
- 15:13S5: Isn't that awesome?
- 15:14S4: That's so great.
- 15:15S3: That's so good.
- 15:16S5: Isn't that great?
- 15:18S4: This one I love because because of nature. God's hand
- 15:20S4: that paints a beautiful sunrise in the morning. Nothing like it.
- 15:24S3: Mhm.
- 15:25S5: Oh my goodness. Heavens declare I got a trucker here, man.
- 15:29S5: He's saying, yeah, I'm a trucker. I'm grateful for Moody
- 15:31S5: radio that I get to feed my mind with God's
- 15:34S5: word all day. Being a truck, that is great.
- 15:37S3: Truck driver. That's real.
- 15:38S5: Yeah. That is so good. Wallpapered your mind with that stuff. Yeah,
- 15:42S5: that young man thing. I'm just seeing that right now.
- 15:44S5: Gratitude for beautiful landscape as trees change colors during my
- 15:48S5: favorite time of year. This is becoming one of mine.
- 15:51S5: I'm getting to the point where I'm not digging all
- 15:53S5: this sweat.
- 15:54S3: No falls. The best summer falls. The best season.
- 15:57S5: I mean, I like warmth, but I think I like
- 15:59S5: it on vacation more than a steady diet.
- 16:01S3: 100%. Absolutely.
- 16:04S4: Uh oh. Someone's first grandchild. Eight months now. Oh, such
- 16:08S4: a joy to me. Oh.
- 16:10S5: Of course. So cool. Massive access to biblical truth and
- 16:13S5: freedom to pursue biblical scholarly resources in a cool, dark,
- 16:18S5: quiet bedroom every night. So grateful. That's awesome.
- 16:22S4: Man.
- 16:23S5: I didn't know where that was going. Here in a dungeon? No.
- 16:26S5: It's great. The blessing of having five senses. That's good.
- 16:32S3: Yeah, absolutely.
- 16:33S5: Yeah.
- 16:33S3: See, these are things that we can just blow by
- 16:37S3: On a, you know, on any given day.
- 16:39S5: On the on the regular.
- 16:40S3: On the regular, because there are things that we're, we're
- 16:42S3: exposed to most of the time, a lot of time. And, uh,
- 16:46S3: and it's good to be able to say, no, this
- 16:48S3: is a gift from God.
- 16:49S5: Somebody thankful for an interview with a potential new pastor
- 16:52S5: tonight to replace our retiring pastor. See, that's cool stuff.
- 16:55S3: Yeah.
- 16:56S5: New seasons, new stuff. Cooking. Grateful for the sunshine after
- 17:02S5: effects of Isaiah's. And I think I got that right.
- 17:05S5: I see.
- 17:06S3: The the hurricane.
- 17:07S5: That came through.
- 17:08S4: Alabama. Yes!
- 17:09S5: Wow. Way to go, guys. God's hand that paints a
- 17:14S5: beautiful sunrise in the morning. Nothing like it. Oh, see,
- 17:20S5: look at those things that are small and say thank you, God.
- 17:25S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
- 17:28S4: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
- 17:31S4: to stay in your past. And I want you to
- 17:33S4: know and believe that today.
- 17:35S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 17:37S5: Yeah. Thanking God for the little things here. Got a
- 17:40S5: couple brothers that held on. Glad you did. David and Sarasota, Florida.
- 17:44S5: What's the little stuff you're thanking God for today?
- 17:48S6: Hey there. How are you all doing?
- 17:50S5: Doing great man. What's on your heart?
- 17:52S6: Well, it sounds it's really. It's big. I was diagnosed
- 17:56S6: 26 years ago with a neuromuscular disorder that was a misdiagnosis.
- 18:01S6: And I now know that I have multiple sclerosis, which
- 18:05S6: sounds really, really bad and horrible. But the big truth
- 18:07S6: is that there's treatments for Ms. at my other disease
- 18:12S6: didn't have the diagnosis of the. Ms. explains so much
- 18:17S6: of my gait disorder that I've had for 30 plus years.
- 18:21S5: Bro, that's got to be freeing to hear that news,
- 18:24S5: isn't it?
- 18:25S6: It makes me cry to have the knowledge and the
- 18:29S6: truth and the freedom to go, oh, because there's a
- 18:33S6: big thing. Chronic fatigue is big with Ms.. It doesn't
- 18:36S6: matter how much you sleep, you just have it. So
- 18:39S6: I'm like, how do I always wake up tired? You know,
- 18:43S6: I go to bed early on, on Friday night to
- 18:45S6: sleep late on Saturday, you know, nine hours. And I'm like,
- 18:49S6: Holy crap that I would not sleep. And I slept great.
- 18:51S5: Yeah, no, that is that is huge, dude. David. That's awesome. Man.
- 18:57S5: I am so happy for you when you get those
- 18:59S5: blanks filled in. And you know what? Thanks for not
- 19:01S5: having bitterness. You've probably battled with that a little bit
- 19:04S5: being misdiagnosed, but well.
- 19:07S6: But the last doctors. Yes. How did they miss it
- 19:10S6: on the MRIs? But because God is sovereign and I
- 19:13S6: was not mature enough then to handle this, that today
- 19:18S6: I am. So God's timing is perfect.
- 19:20S5: How you got man, that's some maturity, bro. Dog. Let
- 19:24S5: me pray over you right now. Father, I pray in
- 19:26S5: Jesus name that you would heal my brother. And it's
- 19:30S5: so cool to hear him just elated with knowing what
- 19:34S5: in the world is going on. And Lord, when you
- 19:37S5: fill in those blanks for us, it's truly a gift
- 19:40S5: from you. And I pray that you will bless David
- 19:43S5: and heal our brother in mighty ways. And thank you
- 19:47S5: that he gives you glory in everything this morning. In
- 19:50S5: Jesus name, Amen. That's a wild one, isn't it, guys?
- 19:54S3: I, I love that it's so cool that what God
- 19:59S3: did to give him that diagnosis and how freeing it
- 20:03S3: would be to say, oh, this is what's going on.
- 20:06S3: And now we can do something about it.
- 20:08S5: That's so awesome. Jason, first time caller in Crandall, Georgia.
- 20:12S5: What do you say, my man?
- 20:15S7: First things first and foremost, the Word of God. It
- 20:19S7: being so readily available, whether it's the paperback Bible apps,
- 20:23S7: there's no restrictions in the U.S. that you can't download
- 20:26S7: the Word of God.
- 20:27S5: Yeah.
- 20:28S7: And what I'm doing right now, brother speaking, I ought
- 20:31S7: to be able to use an audible voice. Whether it's
- 20:33S7: to cry out to the Lord and praise, or just
- 20:35S7: go to him in prayer to share the Word of
- 20:38S7: God with others. The same thing y'all are doing right
- 20:40S7: now on the radio.
- 20:41S5: Yeah.
- 20:41S7: And what did you do? I heard your voice to hear.
- 20:44S7: I can hear the word of God. I can hear
- 20:46S7: y'all giving the word of God. I can hear his
- 20:49S7: songs on the radio. All those are so, so important.
- 20:53S7: I mean, those are little to some that we take
- 20:55S7: them for granted. You know, I know some people that
- 20:58S7: are deaf and have to use sign language. They can't
- 21:00S7: audibly speak to the Lord, you know, and I just,
- 21:03S7: I just thank the Lord for those three things because
- 21:05S7: the Word of God, that's how I reach you. That's
- 21:08S7: how I reach the lost. So.
- 21:10S5: Dude, Jason, first time caller. Boom brother and David boom brother.
- 21:16S5: That's why we call you the boom crew right there.
- 21:19S5: These are two spiritual stud muffins, man.
- 21:21S3: Yes they.
- 21:22S5: Are. They are finding God in that little sweet stuff. Now,
- 21:28S5: David's ain't no little thing. Let me tell you something.
- 21:30S5: You're battling something for 30 years, you've been misdiagnosed, and
- 21:33S5: then you get the real thing.
- 21:35S3: Sure ain't no little thing. It's life changing.
- 21:39S5: It's got a few people going out to get a
- 21:41S5: second opinion on.
- 21:42S8: Some things this morning, right?
- 21:45S5: Excuse me. Would you be willing to check my blood pressure, too? Oh.
- 21:49S5: It's normal. Oh, good.
- 21:51S8: Okay.
- 21:52S5: Wow.
- 21:53S9: So good.
- 21:54S5: That's big stuff. I don't know what you're looking at
- 21:57S5: today that you've taken for granted, but find God in
- 22:01S5: the little things. It will change the trajectory of your day.
- 22:07S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. This is.
- 22:12S5: War. That's the topic of our week. And I just
- 22:15S5: want to do a quick set here. We can fall
- 22:18S5: off on two sides of the high ridge. We can
- 22:22S5: begin to find, as is commonly said, a demon under
- 22:25S5: every rock that gets overly used, by the way. But
- 22:29S5: we can also become oblivious to the reality of spiritual war.
- 22:34S5: And there are fallen angels who defected with Satan out
- 22:39S5: of his pride and beauty. And they are being used
- 22:44S5: by the prince and power of the air to deceive,
- 22:47S5: to accuse, and to otherwise defeat followers of Christ. Even
- 22:52S5: born again people. Our guest right now, Doctor Michael Van Landingham.
- 22:56S5: Love this man, Allie. Boy. Michael, what do you think
- 23:00S5: about this spiritual war? We kind of miss it on
- 23:02S5: two sides often, don't we, friend?
- 23:04S10: We do. And it's a topic that's crucially important. That's
- 23:07S10: a huge understatement. You know, here in the West, I
- 23:11S10: think we probably don't think that Satan and demons are
- 23:15S10: as active as they are in some more animistic cultures,
- 23:19S10: in other parts of the world. And yet Satan does
- 23:22S10: things differently here, I think, than he does in those
- 23:25S10: parts of the world. And yet he's still very much
- 23:27S10: real and still very much at work.
- 23:30S2: Okay, so explain what you mean. You said you think
- 23:32S2: he operates differently in this part of the world compared
- 23:34S2: to others. That's going to raise some some questions from people.
- 23:39S2: Explain that a little bit more.
- 23:41S10: Sure. Well, in some parts of the world, third world areas, cultures,
- 23:46S10: you know, you've got shamanism, you have black magic, you
- 23:49S10: have more sort of outspoken, observable demonic activity that's taking place.
- 23:56S10: We don't have that as much here in the West.
- 23:58S10: But what we have here in the West are things
- 24:00S10: related to culture and values and idolatry and anti-God thinking,
- 24:08S10: all still demonic and still very real and still very damaging,
- 24:13S10: but slightly differently. Not, you know, I mean, in those
- 24:15S10: parts of the world, you've got theological issues and some
- 24:19S10: sort of philosophical, existential issues as well. But but you have,
- 24:24S10: I think, more common there, more observable, active demonic actions,
- 24:30S10: then you might actually observe here. But again, I'll just
- 24:32S10: say Satan is every bit still as active here as
- 24:35S10: he is there as well.
- 24:37S5: Doctor Michael Van Landingham, our guest right now. You know,
- 24:40S5: I've thought about this a lot, having lived in South
- 24:42S5: Africa and been in various different regions around the globe,
- 24:45S5: I have seen more demonstrative demonization in other countries. But
- 24:52S5: if Satan is smart and he is, it would seem
- 24:57S5: that there's strongholds with regard to the American dream, quite candidly, Michael,
- 25:02S5: and things that become. They enslave us and they don't
- 25:07S5: look as demonstrably horror film ish, but they're just as destructive.
- 25:14S5: Is that kind of where you're going here?
- 25:16S10: Yes, for sure. I mean, you mentioned things being here
- 25:19S10: in the West and the American dream and that kind
- 25:21S10: of thing. You know, I think preoccupation with material possessions
- 25:26S10: and accumulation of material goods and wealth. I think that
- 25:29S10: can be out of balance, and I think it can
- 25:32S10: make us susceptible to the attacks of Satan in these
- 25:35S10: very areas. And so it's all attacks. It's all attacks,
- 25:39S10: whether it's, you know, Satan doing what would appear to
- 25:42S10: be black miraculous things, or whether he's just messed us
- 25:47S10: up so that we are now focused more on money
- 25:49S10: than we are upon God. It's all satanic.
- 25:51S2: Doctor Michael Van Landingham A lot of times when it
- 25:54S2: comes to spiritual warfare, how you hear people use that
- 25:57S2: term is that, you know, they're going through a difficult
- 26:00S2: time in their life, or there's been some sort of
- 26:03S2: crisis or hardship. And so people will say, this is like,
- 26:07S2: this is definitely a spiritual war. Like I am under
- 26:10S2: attack sometimes true, sometimes not. But the question is, I
- 26:14S2: think most people wrestle with is, how do I know
- 26:15S2: the difference between spiritual warfare versus living in a fallen
- 26:20S2: world and therefore going through hard times?
- 26:23S10: None of us is guaranteed that life's going to be easy.
- 26:27S10: And so I think it would be wrong to always
- 26:30S10: equate hardship in life with satanic or demonic attack or
- 26:35S10: spiritual warfare. I just don't think that that's the case.
- 26:38S10: It could be. It certainly was the case with job,
- 26:41S10: but I don't know that it always is with us. Nevertheless,
- 26:45S10: I would say that sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
- 26:48S10: I'm of the opinion that we have three enemies the world,
- 26:52S10: the flesh and the devil. But I'm also of the
- 26:55S10: opinion that we respond to all three in exactly the
- 26:59S10: same way. And what is that? Well, in Ephesians chapter six,
- 27:04S10: it talks about putting on the whole armor of God
- 27:07S10: so that we'll be able to stand firm against the
- 27:08S10: schemes of the devil. And so there it's it's more
- 27:11S10: specifically about the enemy who is the devil? You know,
- 27:14S10: the world, the flesh and the devil. Well, there's the devil.
- 27:17S10: But the basic parts of the armor are things related to.
- 27:22S10: I'll boil it down to proper scriptural doctrinal understanding. So
- 27:28S10: we're to put on, for example, girding our loins with truth.
- 27:32S10: That's not us telling the truth to other people. We're
- 27:36S10: to gird our loins with the truth that God has
- 27:39S10: provided for us. The full armor of God is the
- 27:43S10: full armor of God. That is, he provides this armor
- 27:47S10: for us. It's not necessarily something we bring to the battle.
- 27:50S10: You know, I've got friends of mine who served in
- 27:52S10: the military, and when they went off to boot camp
- 27:54S10: and enlisted and went off to do war, they didn't
- 27:57S10: take along your grandfather's old Smith and Wesson 22 revolver.
- 28:02S10: And why is that? It's because Uncle Sam had better
- 28:05S10: weapons for them. And so when we're talking about these
- 28:08S10: things in Ephesians chapter six, we're not talking about us
- 28:12S10: telling the truth. We're talking about girding ourselves with the
- 28:14S10: truth of God. We're to put on the breastplate of righteousness.
- 28:17S10: This is not us being right or righteous. This is
- 28:20S10: to recognize that in Christ, God counts us righteous, and
- 28:25S10: we are righteous before him. And these things help us
- 28:29S10: in the battle to stand strong and to resist the devil.
- 28:32S10: Whether it's the devil, the flesh, or the world, we
- 28:36S10: use the same weapons of war to stand against those
- 28:39S10: things and to be victorious.
- 28:41S5: I love that Thomas Aquinas codified the world, the flesh,
- 28:46S5: and the devil, but that makes practical, healthy, biblical sense.
- 28:51S5: I love that, Michael. Uh, let's back up a little bit.
- 28:54S5: In Ephesians, the apostle Paul says, don't let the sun
- 28:58S5: go down on your anger and do not give Satan
- 29:00S5: a foothold or an opportunity. I think it says in
- 29:02S5: the ESV, now, that is not to be possessing a demon.
- 29:07S5: It's not oppression even, it is to be with demon.
- 29:12S5: But there is some kind of a toehold that is
- 29:15S5: given to Satan that is directly linked to Unresolved anger.
- 29:21S5: Is this just one example, or is it such a
- 29:25S5: big deal that Paul featured it?
- 29:27S10: Well, the answer is yes. Clearly, in the context, Paul
- 29:30S10: is talking about being angry and yet not sinning. So
- 29:33S10: we can be angry and yet not have it degenerate
- 29:36S10: into sin. But anger that's not dealt with well in
- 29:39S10: the church gives the devil a topos, which we get
- 29:42S10: the word topography from that. The idea is, is we
- 29:45S10: give him an opportunity, we give him, like you said, Carl,
- 29:49S10: a toehold. We give him a place to come in.
- 29:53S10: And so I think a lot of times, so many
- 29:54S10: problems in the church in particular, but also personally, we
- 29:58S10: give the devil an opportunity to really influence and mess
- 30:02S10: things up when we're not responding correctly to anger. And
- 30:06S10: the right way to handle anger in the church is
- 30:08S10: to go to the people that we're having an issue
- 30:10S10: with face to face, and actually try to work it
- 30:13S10: out with them. You don't go and talk about them
- 30:15S10: behind their back. That's something that Satan just loves. That's
- 30:19S10: us slandering. And Satan is a slanderer as well. And
- 30:22S10: so when we do that kind of thing, because we're
- 30:24S10: angry with somebody, that really gives it an opportunity to
- 30:27S10: come in and really mess things up. We have to
- 30:29S10: be much, much more savvy about being aware of the
- 30:32S10: kinds of things that he does and how he can
- 30:34S10: use anger to do real damage in the church.
- 30:37S2: Doctor Michael Van Landingham, retired professor at Moody Bible Institute
- 30:41S2: with us this morning. Is spiritual warfare always a personal thing,
- 30:46S2: or can it be corporate? Can a church, even a nation?
- 30:50S10: It can be all of that. It is very interesting.
- 30:53S10: In Ephesians chapter six, you know, we're to put on
- 30:55S10: the full armor of God so that you'll be able
- 30:57S10: to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. So
- 31:00S10: we're to take up the full armor of God so
- 31:02S10: you'll be able to resist in the evil day. Stand firm.
- 31:05S10: You know, our wrestling match is literally what the idea
- 31:09S10: is for. Our struggle is not against flesh and blood.
- 31:12S10: The word struggle there was used for a wrestling match
- 31:15S10: between two individual people. There is something intensely personal about
- 31:20S10: a wrestling match. You got two guys on a mat
- 31:22S10: and they're going at it with one another. It's not
- 31:24S10: like 22 guys on a football field. And so I
- 31:28S10: think the idea here is that it is intensely personal
- 31:32S10: and it can be individualized. The fighting that we have
- 31:35S10: now can spill over into the church as well, could
- 31:38S10: spill over into national things as well. But at least
- 31:40S10: in Ephesians chapter six, it's about me versus the evil
- 31:44S10: one and how I can, with God's armor, stand against him.
- 31:49S5: Doctor Michael Van Landingham, our guest. I want to tackle
- 31:52S5: one last thing here out of Ephesians six. There's four
- 31:55S5: different Greek words used in authorities cosmic powers present darkness,
- 32:00S5: spiritual forces of evil, heavenly places. And I was kicking
- 32:05S5: this around with a dear friend and theologian. His take
- 32:08S5: on this one, and I want to get yours, is
- 32:11S5: that it's much like the Prince of Tyre, I believe,
- 32:15S5: where you have these regional demonic forces. And we know
- 32:20S5: that Satan's strategic because the word schemes is where we
- 32:24S5: get our word method. So this is not haphazard attack.
- 32:29S5: How much of these Greek words lead us to understand
- 32:35S5: the strategies, the schemes, the methods of Satan?
- 32:39S10: Well, I think as we as we begin to really
- 32:42S10: study Scripture and we we try to look comprehensively at
- 32:45S10: what the Bible says about Satan and demons, then I
- 32:48S10: think we can get an idea of how it is
- 32:51S10: that he works. And basically, I think how he works
- 32:54S10: much of the time is through messing up our thinking.
- 32:59S10: You know, Paul in second Corinthians chapter 11 talks about
- 33:03S10: how he's fearful that while the Corinthians are betrothed to Christ,
- 33:07S10: that nevertheless Satan has deceived them, even born again Christian people,
- 33:12S10: Satan can deceive us. He can mislead us. And so,
- 33:14S10: you know, in three Corinthians chapter 11, verse two, I'm
- 33:17S10: jealous for you with a godly jealousy, for I betrothed
- 33:21S10: you to one husband, so that to Christ I might
- 33:24S10: present you as a pure virgin. But I'm afraid that
- 33:27S10: as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds
- 33:30S10: will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of
- 33:33S10: devotion to Christ.
- 33:34S5: Wow.
- 33:35S10: Yeah. And then he goes on and he talks about how,
- 33:37S10: you know, some of the Corinthians there were embracing the
- 33:41S10: arrival and the teachings of false apostles. That's just one
- 33:45S10: of the things that Satan can do, but he certainly
- 33:47S10: can and does mess up our thinking. And if he's
- 33:49S10: messed up our thinking, then it's a very short step
- 33:52S10: to having all kinds of problems and difficulties and hardship
- 33:56S10: in our lives in other ways also.
- 33:59S2: If you want more from our guest doctor Michael Van Landingham,
- 34:02S2: we want to get you to his website connected with
- 34:04S2: other resources. Just text a van to 805 557898. Van
- 34:10S2: van to 805 557898.
- 34:14S1: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the Cast and
- 34:17S1: Crew podcast wherever you like to stream.
- 34:19S5: Kathy is with us here today. And here's the question.
- 34:23S5: We got paper everywhere, says someone I struggle with. Getting
- 34:26S5: rid of paper represents my life journey, and when I
- 34:30S5: look at it, I just can't release it. Please help.
- 34:33S5: What do you say, Kathy?
- 34:34S11: Well, first of all, that may represent your life journey,
- 34:38S11: but it's not your life journey. And so I just
- 34:41S11: want to say there are levels of paper, you know,
- 34:44S11: we're going to keep the passport, we're going to pay
- 34:46S11: the bills. But one thing that I think is so
- 34:49S11: important is so much of that paper needs to be
- 34:52S11: kicked back into play. So some of it is bills
- 34:58S11: that we are just hanging on to too long because
- 35:01S11: out of fear, what if I don't? If I pay
- 35:03S11: the electric bill, am I going to have enough money
- 35:05S11: for the water bill? You know, so we we keep
- 35:07S11: things too long because of fear of not having enough.
- 35:11S11: And so that is something we definitely need to get
- 35:14S11: a handle on. But if we're looking at older papers,
- 35:17S11: things that are from your past, things that maybe there
- 35:21S11: are letters or something like that, you don't need to
- 35:23S11: keep every letter that your boyfriend from eighth grade sent.
- 35:28S11: Now I will say, you know, keep one because those
- 35:32S11: memories are sweet.
- 35:34S8: He was a good dude.
- 35:36S11: He was a good dude. He just wasn't your dude. Okay.
- 35:40S11: And so.
- 35:41S8: That's right.
- 35:41S11: One and release the rest. You know, when it comes
- 35:45S11: to maybe relatives who have passed on, we don't need
- 35:49S11: to keep everything that they've ever sent us, given us,
- 35:53S11: keep the thing that is most representative of that person
- 35:58S11: or your relationship, and hold that dear. If our people
- 36:02S11: that we love knew that we would be hanging on
- 36:05S11: to these things for the rest of our lives, they
- 36:08S11: would have sent us a lot less stuff. They don't
- 36:10S11: want you carrying around that burden.
- 36:12S2: Kathy with us right now, author, speaker, blogger, podcast host.
- 36:16S2: Her podcast is called the Clutter Free Academy. She also
- 36:20S2: has a Facebook group that's wildly popular, clutter free. Kathy.
- 36:24S2: This whole topic can bring a level of shame because
- 36:28S2: depending on the degree to which you feel like you're
- 36:31S2: living under the weight of clutter, you feel like I
- 36:34S2: just can't get it together. Everybody else is so much organized.
- 36:38S2: I've tried so many times to get a handle on
- 36:40S2: this house, speak to some of the emotions that sort
- 36:44S2: of keep us stuck in these patterns.
- 36:46S11: That feeling of everybody else has got their life together,
- 36:50S11: and I'm a loser is very prevalent. But UCLA did
- 36:55S11: a study that said that 66% of women say that
- 37:00S11: clutter is a big issue in their life. So you
- 37:03S11: are not alone, friend. You just are not. And so
- 37:07S11: to think about that shame. Maybe the shame is over
- 37:10S11: the money you've spent that on things. You know, those
- 37:14S11: things that are hanging in your closet that maybe still
- 37:17S11: have the tags that, uh, you know, they look like
- 37:20S11: a great idea at the time, but they don't actually
- 37:23S11: fit your life. Yeah. I just want to remind people,
- 37:26S11: this is your first time on earth, okay? We're all
- 37:29S11: just figuring this out. So we all make mistakes. We
- 37:32S11: all buy things we shouldn't. We all hold on to
- 37:35S11: things because of the memories attached. And so part of
- 37:40S11: maturing is saying, you know what, I made a mistake.
- 37:43S11: I'm going to release that. And when I was a
- 37:47S11: single mom, we went to a goodwill to find my
- 37:51S11: kids some shoes. And my son was desperate to feel
- 37:55S11: a part of school, and all he wanted in life
- 37:58S11: was a pair of cool shoes and we went to goodwill.
- 38:03S11: Goodwill is not known for their cool shoes. Let's just
- 38:05S11: say that that's not what their reputation is about. And
- 38:09S11: we get there. And my junior high going into high
- 38:13S11: school is wearing a men's size ten. And so we
- 38:16S11: go to the elevens to try to find something he
- 38:19S11: can grow into. And he gives me this pair of
- 38:22S11: shoes and he goes, mom, these are the ones I want.
- 38:25S11: They were an eight and a half. Okay? We would
- 38:27S11: have to cut the toes out. I look at those
- 38:30S11: shoes because they come from the eight and a half section.
- 38:34S11: And guys, they were a size 11. And I just
- 38:37S11: think about that guy. Or most likely his wife, who says,
- 38:42S11: you've never worn these? We need to donate them. They
- 38:45S11: didn't know that they were the miracle that my kid
- 38:48S11: needed that day. And I'm so grateful that somebody said,
- 38:52S11: I can release these.
- 38:53S5: I love that story. When it comes to clutter or hoarding,
- 38:57S5: it manifests itself in a lot of ways. We want
- 39:00S5: to talk solutions here.
- 39:01S8: Yeah.
- 39:01S2: Porsha calling in. First time caller from Bensenville, Illinois. Go
- 39:04S2: ahead with your question for Kathy?
- 39:06S12: We have a family of six sports and extracurriculars, plus
- 39:11S12: an in-law, and it seems like laundry is never ending
- 39:14S12: in our house. There's like piles of it. It just
- 39:17S12: it just feels so much. Is there a system that
- 39:20S12: I can put in place to make laundry easier and
- 39:23S12: more efficient for our household?
- 39:25S11: It's such a great question. And Portia, keeping up with
- 39:28S11: six people. I, you know, I'm going to get tips
- 39:30S11: from you. That's what I'm going to say. But one
- 39:33S11: thing I have really released from my life, uh, you know,
- 39:37S11: fabrics are so much better than they were even ten
- 39:40S11: years ago. And lots of people are sorting into like
- 39:43S11: micro piles and it is causing more work than you
- 39:47S11: actually need. So I would say, don't be precious about it.
- 39:52S11: And I love a shout stick more than anything else.
- 39:56S11: That's the best invention of the past ten years, right?
- 39:59S8: And so I don't know what that is.
- 40:01S5: What's a shout.
- 40:02S8: Stick.
- 40:02S2: Stain remover.
- 40:03S8: Oh, okay.
- 40:04S11: It's a stain remover that is just. It's fabulous. Or
- 40:09S11: there's also the oxiclean remover. But both of those, those
- 40:13S11: are going, you know, you put them on there and
- 40:15S11: then they sit. The other thing I would say, I
- 40:17S11: don't know how old your kids are, but I think
- 40:20S11: about 9 or 10 is a great time to start
- 40:23S11: learning laundry. Or the first time a child puts clean
- 40:27S11: clothes back into the laundry hamper. That's the sign that
- 40:32S11: they need to start learning how to do laundry. So
- 40:36S11: you start with folding and putting away, but then they
- 40:39S11: can start managing some of that on their own. And
- 40:42S11: I think with six people, you just have to resign
- 40:44S11: yourself to the fact that laundry is an everyday habit.
- 40:49S11: But if you can get into that everyday habit and
- 40:51S11: it doesn't pile up, you're going to feel so much
- 40:54S11: more at peace with all of those things. The last
- 40:58S11: thing I'll say, we just have two people, but we
- 41:01S11: have laundry hampers on both floors if you have an
- 41:05S11: upstairs and downstairs. And that's something we've just done recently
- 41:09S11: that has has made a huge difference.
- 41:12S5: Is this why moms sniff clothes?
- 41:15S8: Yes.
- 41:15S5: To see if it's dirty or not. Because moms. I've
- 41:18S5: noticed moms, they just sniff laundry. It's it's a little odd.
- 41:23S11: I have never been a person who struggles with deep,
- 41:28S11: deep anger until I found clean clothes. I mean, I
- 41:33S11: was going to say something.
- 41:34S8: More.
- 41:35S11: Powerful there.
- 41:36S8: But no, no, it's powerful enough.
- 41:39S11: You know, to find clean, folded clothes in your child's
- 41:43S11: laundry basket. Yes. Is is, you know, whatever crime is
- 41:48S11: committed after that, she is excused. And, you know, a
- 41:53S11: jury of women would not convict. And I think a
- 41:56S11: lot of it comes from overstuffed drawers. Most of our
- 42:00S11: kids aren't dealing with too little. They're dealing with too
- 42:02S11: much and they just it's hard for them to manage
- 42:05S11: the symptoms. So getting those older clothes out of there,
- 42:09S11: the things that, you know, maybe somebody bought for them
- 42:11S11: that they don't wear, they're outgrown. Get those out. Because
- 42:15S11: if they see a drawer that's too full, that's going
- 42:18S11: to go in the laundry hamper.
- 42:19S2: Kathie Lee with us right now, author, speaker, clutter Free
- 42:23S2: Academy is her thing. Coming up, we'll tackle this one
- 42:26S2: heartfelt Kathie. How do I help an elderly parent free
- 42:29S2: up clutter? They asked for my help, but when I help,
- 42:31S2: they don't want to get rid of anything. That's coming up.
- 42:36S1: Celebrating the unstoppable gospel.
- 42:39S3: It's not that I've got to fill in these check boxes,
- 42:41S3: so he's okay with me, but it's that I get
- 42:43S3: to stand close to him so that I can experience
- 42:46S3: the life that he has for me.
- 42:48S1: You're listening to Carl and Crew.
- 42:50S2: We have Kathy, lip clutter free expert. This question came
- 42:54S2: in from a dear listener who says, Kathy, how do
- 42:56S2: I help an elderly parent free up clutter? They ask
- 42:59S2: for help, but when I actually help, they don't want
- 43:02S2: to get rid of items that clearly they should. This
- 43:06S2: one is um. This is very near and dear to
- 43:09S2: the heart of many.
- 43:10S11: Yes, this is the universal thing that all of us
- 43:13S11: are going to have to deal with with very few exceptions.
- 43:16S11: So here's what I would say. Ask that parent what
- 43:20S11: their goal is. They say they want to declutter, but
- 43:23S11: why do they want to declutter? Is it because they
- 43:26S11: want to be able to have people over, or is
- 43:29S11: there a safety issue? Or do they just want less
- 43:33S11: so that it's easier to clean? Or maybe they say,
- 43:36S11: you know, think I don't want to leave all of
- 43:38S11: this for my kids? Because you can go back to
- 43:41S11: that answer over and over again when they are struggling
- 43:45S11: to get rid of things or to put things away,
- 43:49S11: to say, hey, mom, I want to make this a
- 43:51S11: safe place for you to be able to walk around.
- 43:54S11: I'm also worried about your safety. And so being able
- 43:57S11: to say those kind of things put the goal in
- 44:00S11: front of them. I think it's really important to ask
- 44:03S11: before you touch things like, can I go through this box?
- 44:07S11: We have to remember our parents aren't former people. They
- 44:11S11: are people and they have whole lives. They have, you know,
- 44:14S11: their their boundaries and then realize you're just going to
- 44:18S11: have to go slow. Sometimes they don't want to get
- 44:21S11: rid of things because they're worried that the story is
- 44:23S11: going to be gone. So you can ask, hey, tell
- 44:26S11: me about this picture or tell me about this. And
- 44:29S11: we also have to remember that they're grieving a season
- 44:32S11: of their lives, that that people who maybe are near
- 44:36S11: and dear to them are now gone and they can't share.
- 44:39S11: So I would say keep it to short amount of time,
- 44:43S11: 30 to 90 minutes. Pick one small area and I
- 44:48S11: would start with safety first. I think that's the most
- 44:52S11: important thing, especially if things are on the floor and
- 44:54S11: start with easy wins. The expired food. I know that
- 44:59S11: some people are still going to hold on. Those are
- 45:01S11: perfectly good fruit cocktails. But to say, you know what,
- 45:06S11: let's just start with a fresh pantry. The things that
- 45:09S11: you're actually eating. Because a lot of that food was
- 45:11S11: from a season that they are no longer in. And
- 45:15S11: so start with those small wins. But safety is the
- 45:18S11: most important thing. But also their emotional comfort is really,
- 45:23S11: really important. And we think about getting rid of stuff.
- 45:26S11: It's probably going to be more storing stuff until it's
- 45:30S11: the child's decision. It's not so much about getting rid
- 45:34S11: of stuff. It's about storing things in a systemized way
- 45:39S11: until some people just are not equipped to make those
- 45:42S11: emotional decisions.
- 45:43S5: Love it. Kathi Lipp is our expert right now. Got
- 45:46S5: a text that came in help. I got a husband
- 45:48S5: who's a hoarder, doesn't care to get things organized, but
- 45:52S5: then it obviously bleeds into my life and functioning. That's
- 45:56S5: a tough one, Cathy. What do you say?
- 45:59S11: Oh my goodness. I am with you guys. My dad
- 46:01S11: was a hoarder. I saw my mom struggle with this
- 46:04S11: not for years, but for decades. And so a couple
- 46:08S11: of things. If he wants help, there are now some
- 46:13S11: hoarding programs. So you can Google this that were not
- 46:16S11: available even two years ago. But if he doesn't want help,
- 46:21S11: then I think you have to put bigger goals in
- 46:25S11: front of you as a couple than I just want
- 46:29S11: to get rid of your stuff. So one of the
- 46:31S11: goals can be I want to be able to feel
- 46:34S11: safe in my own home. I want to be able
- 46:36S11: to feel peace in my own home. I want to
- 46:39S11: be able to have our kids. Or for a lot
- 46:42S11: of people, it's a safe place for the grandchildren to come.
- 46:46S11: That's really important. And sometimes this isn't a clutter issue.
- 46:52S11: It is a relationship issue to say I need safe
- 46:57S11: spaces to respect. And so with some couples, we have
- 47:02S11: to be able to say, hey, you get this room,
- 47:05S11: I get this room. I'm not going to talk about
- 47:08S11: anything that's in your room, but I need for our
- 47:11S11: kitchen and our living room to be safe, clear spaces
- 47:17S11: so that I can feel at peace. And, you know,
- 47:20S11: hoarding is a mental disorder that is not something that
- 47:25S11: you can train out of a person. And so you
- 47:27S11: need to get them in to get psychological help. Or
- 47:32S11: if it's really just a clutter issue that may be
- 47:36S11: marriage counseling and go see a marriage counselor that has
- 47:40S11: dealt with clutter and stuff and hoarding before because you're
- 47:45S11: going to need somebody with some background, you really will.
- 47:47S2: Kathy Lipp, our guest this morning, want to get as
- 47:50S2: many questions as we can. Anonymous caller from Miami, Florida.
- 47:53S2: Go ahead with your question.
- 47:54S13: My problem is I have a department store at home
- 47:58S13: and in the storage. I was a shopaholic. I still
- 48:03S13: love to shop. I cut down, but now I'm trying
- 48:06S13: to get rid of all of these clothes. And I
- 48:10S13: too am embarrassed because I don't invite anybody to my house.
- 48:13S13: My house is nice and clean, but it's full of clothes.
- 48:17S13: Sometimes I am very embarrassed and ashamed, and I have
- 48:21S13: to apologize to God for the bad use of the
- 48:25S13: money that he has given me, but I really and
- 48:29S13: truly want to get rid of this stuff. Every time
- 48:33S13: I start to get rid of them, you know, it
- 48:36S13: becomes so overbearing that I just stop. It's like I'm
- 48:39S13: not getting anything done on my own.
- 48:42S2: Yeah. Anonymous from Miami. Thank you for that honest call.
- 48:45S2: Go ahead Cathy.
- 48:46S11: Well, first of all, I just want to give her
- 48:48S11: a hug. I really do, because I know the shame
- 48:52S11: of buying too much and feeling like I've abused the
- 48:58S11: resources that God has given me. But I do believe
- 49:02S11: that there is redemption in this. And one of the
- 49:04S11: things I would say is cluttery people and shopaholics are
- 49:10S11: some of the kindest, most generous people I have ever
- 49:12S11: met in my entire life. And to our anonymous caller,
- 49:16S11: I would really encourage you to find a program that
- 49:21S11: is equipping women for the workforce or helping single moms
- 49:28S11: who are struggling. And once we know, oh my goodness,
- 49:33S11: there's a person on the other end who needs these clothes,
- 49:37S11: who needs these shoes, who needs these for a job interview,
- 49:43S11: or to be able to go to church on Sunday
- 49:46S11: and feel and feel confident? Find a A program that
- 49:51S11: works with those women. You know, whenever I talk with
- 49:55S11: cluttery women or Shopaholics, if they know the things that
- 49:59S11: they've bought can go to help somebody else, there's a
- 50:02S11: release in that. There is a freedom in that. And
- 50:06S11: so maybe God can, you know, just redeem those decisions
- 50:12S11: that you made when maybe you were in an emotionally
- 50:16S11: vulnerable place or just didn't know how to deal with
- 50:20S11: some of the emotions in your life. So shopping was
- 50:22S11: the answer. And now you can use those results to
- 50:25S11: help other women.
- 50:26S5: Yeah, this is good stuff. Kathy Lipp And I think
- 50:28S5: what we need to do is point people to an
- 50:31S5: amazing website here, right?
- 50:33S2: Yeah. Just text the word clutter to 805 five, five, 78, 98.
- 50:38S2: This is going to connect you to many resources from
- 50:42S2: Kathy on her website. You can get started on some
- 50:44S2: of this today. Very practical. Just text clutter to 800 555, 78, 98.