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115: Carrie Bennett - The Quantum Biologic View of Cancer · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

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Meredith Oke: All right, Carrie Bennett, welcome back to the
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QVC podcast. You are one of our top regulars. I
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was saying to Jason, I'm like, I feel like
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there's, like, six people I could just have on
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over and over, and that would be the podcast
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forever. Just like, where are you at with pigs
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now? What's going on here?
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Carrie Bennett: There's so many amazing people in this world who
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have stuff to share.
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Meredith Oke: It's true. It's true. And. And people sharing
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their stories. I just, you know, I. I'm always so
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moved by people who just refused to, you know,
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accept where they're at and keep looking and
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pushing to find new things. So for all the people
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listening who are doing that, bless you. Welcome.
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We're going to cover lots of fun stuff today with
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Carrie. Okay, so I want to start off, as I often
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do, just going back to the basics. I'm going to
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send this episode out to a lot of people that I
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have encountered lately who are feeling super
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crap because it's flu season and it seems to have
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just, like, taken over the world. Everyone I talk
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to all over the place is sick or trying to get
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over being sick or taking care of someone who's
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sick. So let's just start with the foundational
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health principles as we see them in our context,
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obviously, in addition to whatever people
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understand already about the importance of eating
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healthy food and drinking quality water. But
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let's just go over our special sauce here.
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Carrie Bennett: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, first and foremost, I
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also like to reframe the concept of being sick,
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because it's actually an opportunity. When you
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get a fever or when you develop mucus, it's an
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opportunity for your body to get stuff out that
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doesn't serve it, which may include an exposure
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of some kind. Yes, that may have prompted the
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illness in the first place, but it is an
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opportunity. And then the question becomes, how
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can we help the body resolve that beneficial
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inflammatory cascade that is supporting our body
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and getting rid of stuff through that lens? We
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look at light first and how light affects
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mitochondria, because that really, truly is an
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important and still overlooked. Or maybe not
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even. I mean, maybe the awareness isn't even
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there yet in the collective conscious in terms of
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how beneficial it can be to support our light
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environment.
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Meredith Oke: Right. Okay. That's really interesting. It's
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funny. I was. So we, after experimenting with
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places locally, decided a couple years ago to
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invest in an infrared sauna, which we have our
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little tent, our little sauna space, tent in the
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garage. And so I. I usually put on a podcast and
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leave it Outside of the tent and listen and sit
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in there. And I was. This is a little out there
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for some people, but I was listening to this
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woman who is a. I don't know, I guess a psychic.
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I don't know. But she was talking about how she
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sees things energetically. So I'm sitting in the
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sauna, like let it just like having all this, all
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this mucus build up, you know, feeling the light
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really helping with that. And this woman is like
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talking about trauma and she's like, I don't know
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why, but when I energetically, what spirit shows
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to me that trauma looks like. It's like this very
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mucusy kind of energy, like kind of viscous
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energy. So you know, on an, on an esoteric level,
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what you were just saying about like sometimes
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our body needs to purge and go through these
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things. It's not necessarily bad. So there's a
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physical aspect to that. But I want. There's
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probably also some woo woo aspects.
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Carrie Bennett: Oh sure, I agree. I can totally get on board with
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that 100%. You know, I mean we, I think we
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touched the tip of the iceberg, but we only talk
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about the physical body. But I know that that's a
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really interesting place for people. Started with
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when it comes to how to support health. And so
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let's dive into that mucus.
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Meredith Oke: Right?
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Carrie Bennett: Or let's dive into that. Why am. Why is my body
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trying to get stuff out or why do I even get a
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fever? Well, our cells in order when they. When
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there's something invading the cells, right. And
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causing the cells to become dysfunctional. The
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body is beautifully intelligent and the body says
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this is not going to serve me if this stuff stays
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here long term. And so there's things that we can
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do to essentially push stuff out of the cell. And
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through our lens. We talk about the building of
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exclusion zones, water. And that's very lacking
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these days, Meredith. You know, because of the
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fact that we are not connected or frequently at
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least the average, we, the average human being on
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the planet who lives indoors the majority of the
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day, we're not connected to the wavelength range
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of light. Light that supports this exclusion
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zone. Water inside of the cell. And so Dr.
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Pollock's work. And for those of you who are not
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familiar, Dr. Pollock, fourth phase of water, he
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found that the water inside of our cells is
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different. And we need this different phase of
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water. It's not a liquid. It's actually a gelled
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phase of water. And when it's in that gelled
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phase and when it's adequate, like when we have
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an adequate amount of it inside of the cell, then
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that gel actually prevents, provides a base
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barrier. It basically makes the membrane
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selectively permeable. The cell can say, oh, I
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know when a mineral or a nutrient is coming in
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and I can let that in and go through a little
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phase transition of water. The water temporarily
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becomes more liquidy and says, come on in, and
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then goes right back to being that gelled water.
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But if we're in nowadays, we're in these
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environments where we're likely going to be
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deficient in this gelled water in the first place
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and have more of that liquid fluidy water in the
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research called bulk water. And when we do, we
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actually make ourselves more opportunistic for
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toxicity to get in and to cause these symptoms
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that we're experiencing when we get the cold, the
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flu, and when the body then says, okay, this
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isn't serving me, so what do I do? Well, it's
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trying to reestablish that gelled water again.
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And so likely in the vast majority of people,
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you'll oftentimes experience a fever. That's a
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good sign. A fever is a good thing because a
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fever is missing infrared. So as opposed to being
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able to get that infrared from sunlight or even
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from campfire like we would be getting, let's say
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in the winter months, more so our body is
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generating its own internal infrared as a means
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of that reestablishing that gelled water. So it's
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transforming that liquidy water and it's pushing
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the liquid water out and reestablishing the
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gelled barrier. And as the liquid water pushes
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out, it pushes out the toxins. And those toxins
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then can get into the lymphatic system that lives
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around the exterior of the cells and the immune
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system that lives around the exterior of the
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cells to then be cleared by the body through the
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various channels of elimination. And this is a
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beneficial thing. So sometimes we just need a
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little extra support to get that elimination
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process. Maybe we need some added infrared. One
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of the main ways that I've said this, I've done
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this with mastitis. A lot of times I could feel
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mastitis coming on. And for me at least it comes
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on like A, like 0 to 60. And the first thing that
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my body wants is heat. So I get in the hottest
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shower I possibly can and just let that hot water
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pour over my breast and I can literally feel my
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body soaking in that infrared. And I've avoided
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mastitis now full blown mastitis every single
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time since I first originally got it and didn't
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know what the heck it was. And so I know we can
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use infrared as a means of supporting the body's
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ability to get stuff out, because we can
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reestablish that exclusion zone water. And not
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only are we building that gelled water that is
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now this beautiful barrier, that gelled water is
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synonymous with a healthy cellular charge. Dr.
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Pollack showed that that cellular water has a
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negative charge, but that as we build exclusion
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zone water inside of the cell, we're also
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building it in our vessels, our blood vessels and
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our lymphatic vessels. And Dr. Pollock's work
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also showed that we need that charged water to
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line our vessels to help support the fluid flow
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through the lymphatic system and the circulatory
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system. This is just the body kind of
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understanding. We have this innate intelligence.
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So if something's in the body that's invading the
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cells, and we need to get it out. Thank you for
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this fever body, because now you've not only
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purged the toxins from the cells, but you've also
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helped to reestablish flow to get this fully out
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of the body, either through the lymphatic system,
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filtering through the liver and the circulatory
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system.
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Meredith Oke: That is such a much more empowering way to look
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at getting sick, because we really do. And I
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still feel like this. Feel like I've done
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something wrong, like I've failed in some way and
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all. There's people being like, I'm so healthy,
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I'd never get sick. And you're like, o I should
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be like that. But actually, what you're saying is
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getting the flu, getting a cold, spiking a fever,
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this is a healthy body resetting itself.
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Carrie Bennett: Absolutely. And we're designed to have this
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happen in the winter months independent of
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pathogen exposure. They show seasonally in the
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winter that our immune cells are more likely to
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produce inflammatory molecules. As a means, when
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inflammation is produced, things that are not
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things that we don't want in our body anymore can
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get cleared. We could either inactivate a
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pathogen, or again, we can dump a bunch of nitric
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oxide on something. And when we make nitric
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oxide, water is also made to help re establish
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that gelled water. So I have completely reframed
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my take on illness, and it's like, wait, this is
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an opportunity for my body to get stuff out. Now,
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if it lingers for an extended period of time,
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that's where it's like, I don't want to suppress
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the symptoms, but what can I do to ultimately
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support the full resolution of whatever this
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process is that's going on in my body. And that's
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where the key strategies that we talk about when
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it comes to adequate sleep. But not only adequate
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sleep, but building appropriate melatonin before
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we fall asleep and when we're asleep can be a
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full resolution for this. And so that's where
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layering on strategies involving light at night
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and blocking the artificial light at night can
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play a big role here too.
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Meredith Oke: Right. Okay. So these illnesses themselves are
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part of a healthy body keeping itself in balance
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and then diving down a little bit deeper. The way
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that it's keeping our body healthy is by getting
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rid of that kind of more liquidy water and
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building back up what you're calling exclusion
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zone water, which is the, the liquid crystal that
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we're, we're made of, that if it's, we have in,
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in an adequate levels will keep us vital, hold
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the charge, keep us feeling energized, and do all
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the things that our body is supposed to be able
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to do in terms of creating hormones and making
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everything work.
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Carrie Bennett: Yeah, absolutely. That's exactly it. Yep.
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Meredith Oke: Okay, so. Okay, so then let's talk a little bit
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more about this, you know, tending to our liquid
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crystal. So you were talking about the importance
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of, of our light exposure and our light routines
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and how they affect this special water that is
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inside almost all of our cells.
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Carrie Bennett: Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so what I, a lot of
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people think, oh, there's water inside of my
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cell, then I have to, must have to drink a
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certain water to maintain it. And I've not found
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that to be the case. I have found that drinking
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water, good quality water, is important,
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important. But this gelled water inside of the
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cell is maintained through water production in
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the mitochondria, the forgotten byproduct of
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mitochondrial metabolism. Right. We know that ATP
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is made, but very few people recognize that how
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important water is. Mitochondria are responsible
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for both producing and recycling the water inside
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of our cells in order to maintain a healthy,
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healthy intracellular hydration. And these days
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there's a lot of beautiful research that's being
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done. I'm so grateful for the researchers who are
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diving into this because they're showing that
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certain wavelengths of light help the
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mitochondria make that water, and certain
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wavelengths of light inhibit the mitochondria
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from making that water. So people are following
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along here. If we inhibit that water production,
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we essentially are going to be lacking in this
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charged gelled water inside the cell and instead
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allow just this kind of bulk water to take over.
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And this lack of cellular charge, which is Just
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synonymous with the lack of cellular vitality to
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take hold as well. And it turns out that. Can I.
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Are you cool with it if I keep going?
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Meredith Oke: Okay, yeah, just, I just, just to clarify. So
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when that the more liquidy water that we tend to
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think of, when we think of water doesn't hold a
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charge in the same way that, that this viscous
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liquid crystal water does.
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Carrie Bennett: Correct.
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Meredith Oke: So when that other liquidy water takes over, we
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feel the end result is we feel depleted, we feel
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low energy.
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Carrie Bennett: Right. And whether it's. Whether we physically
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feel it or it's just taking place deep inside our
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cellular terrain of a certain organ part of our
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body that can, that can be true as well.
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Meredith Oke: Okay.
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Carrie Bennett: And so that, that water that we would call the
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liquidy water inside of us is also called bulk
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water. And it's neutral. It doesn't, it doesn't
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hold a charge in the same. And then this
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negatively charged exclusion zone water is the
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source of healthy intracellular voltage. Healthy
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cells need approximately negative 30 to negative
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50 up to negative 100 millivolts inside of the
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cell. So that's just a cell that has a lot of
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negative charge, which is again with vitality.
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And when we don't have that, the drains of that
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charge, it has to start to shut down a little
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bit. It can't run all of its tasks. And when it
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can't run all of its tasks, it has. It'll pick
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and choose. But unfortunately over time, if we
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can't run about all of our tasks over, over time,
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it's like me like cleaning that if I'd like to
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clean the house in all these different ways.
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Right. But if over time I have to continuously
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neglect the toilet toilets, you could imagine
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what happens to the toilets. It's the same thing
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inside of our cells. Our mitochondria are
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responsible for making that water. That water is
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our energy inside of the cell. And if the cell
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doesn't have adequate energy, ultimately over
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time certain tasks are just going to get
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overlooked or they're just not going to get run.
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And that will ultimately lead to cellular
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dysfunction which we would express as a certain
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system symptom depending on the organ system
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that's affected.
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Meredith Oke: Okay. And that would explain why it would be
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different symptoms in different people. Right.
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Like correct your toilets gets, gets ignored. But
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in my house, like I'm hyper focused on the
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toilets, but we never clean the kitchen. And so
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we're going to have a different. So I might show
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up with chronic fatigue and someone else might
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show up with diabetes.
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Carrie Bennett: Absolutely. And some of this has to do with, for
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example, we know that heavy metals or certain
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toxins might have an affinity for certain cells
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or certain organs compared to others. Aluminum in
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the brain, for example. Right. So if I had maybe
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over time a certain aluminum exposure that's
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going to negatively impact the mitochondria
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specifically in my brain. And so that's why that
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might predispose me to feeling brain based
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symptoms. But the process is the same in terms of
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what's happening in the mitochondria. The toxic
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associates might be different.
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Meredith Oke: Okay. And so that's why the strategies that we're
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now going to talk about are universal and
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applicable to all of these symptoms. Because
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we're going right to the level of the
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mitochondria which are responsible for taking
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care of everything and making all this exclusion
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zone water that our body needs to function
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properly.
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Carrie Bennett: And not only that, but when the mitochondria are
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functioning well, like when they're very
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efficient in their metabolic function of making
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water natp, they're producing biophotons as well
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as they do. That's healthy. Those biophotons get
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sucked up by the DNA to help optimize gene
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expression. So what proteins should be made, you
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know, what should we be doing and prioritize,
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prioritizing inside the cell. And also those
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biophotons also go to the cell membrane and
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outside of the cell to communicate to the immune
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system that surrounds the cell. So all is
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copacetic. Right. No need to get overly
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aggressive with your inflammatory, you know,
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cascades or anything like, like that. We're doing
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okay. And so when the mitochondria start to
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become dysfunctional, yes, the cellular charge
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drains, but so does the communication with the
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DNA. So that's. And so does the communication
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with the immune system. So immune system is like
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what's going on in here? Is there, is there
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something, is there not? So that can look like
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different pathologies, including all the way to a
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pathology like cancer.
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Meredith Oke: Right. And that similarly to what we were just
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saying is why it shows up differently for
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different people. That's the genetic component.
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If I'm predisposed genetically to something and
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my mitochondria are not functioning and able to
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communicate, I'm going to flip the switch on that
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cancer gene. Potentially.
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Carrie Bennett: Sure. Yes and no. I mean it doesn't have to be a
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cancer gene that gets flipped on. And actually
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that's a misnomer that the gym.
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Meredith Oke: Okay, tell us.
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Carrie Bennett: Okay, so let's first, let's first, I want to
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first talk about this, this anomaly that I don't
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think People are very well aware of. And that's
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when you, when a tumor is dissected and you know,
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a pathologist is looking at the different cells,
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let's say this tumor was from the breast. It's
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not just going to have breast cells, it's going
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to have cells that all of a sudden this looks
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more like a liver cell, this looks more like a
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hair follicle cell cell, this looks more like a
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kidney cell. And all of those are. So it's
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essentially this tumor is made up of just a bunch
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of seemingly random cells that is a result of
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lack of poor communication to the DNA. And so the
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genes don't happen first, the gene changes don't
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happen first. Something is triggering the genetic
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changes to allow these cells to come together and
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grow into this tumor. And that in my opinion, and
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what I'm really liking about the research going
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into cancer as of late is there's less emphasis
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on the genome, there's more emphasis on what are
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called the electrical properties of the cancer
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cell. And then Dr. Pollack, just this past
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August, he just put out this beautiful article
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about how cancer cells are, are definitely
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drained of this exclusion zone water. And so
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connecting those dots right there means that step
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one, something might create mitochondrial
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dysfunction, which we know is a hallmark of
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cancer. And we can go into all these steps. I
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just want to lay the overview. When, when
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mitochondria are dysfunctional, the cancer cells
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no longer allow the mitochondria to make energy.
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So instead they do a secondary, like, almost
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survival energy pathway in the cytosol, the
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gelled water. It's called a Warburg metabolism.
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They form glucose in it, which is a little bit of
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ATP and they produce a very, you know, lactate
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rich environment. Can you imagine now that if you
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have a cell that's full of acid, like this
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lactate rich cell, that cell is going to continue
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to drain of charge. So you're not replenishing
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the water through the mitochondria and you're
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depleting the charge through a typical cancer
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metabolism called a Warburg metabolism. If the
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mitochondria are not in charge either, they're
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not making biophotonic communication to the DNA.
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So this cell has lost its identity. This is a
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cell that says, am I a breast cell, Am I a liver
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cell, Am I an eye cell? And so it starts to de.
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Differentiate, which is another hallmark feature
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of cancer cells. They lose that identity. Now the
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immune system, cancer cells have a very
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interesting capability to coat the tumor and
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themselves with something that's called sialic
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acid. Which is a common feature in the
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extracellular environment, but just not. But it's
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just way more aggressive in cancer cells. So now
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we're not communicating. The photonic
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communication is not happening with the immune
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system. So the immune system thinks everything's
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okay. And meanwhile, the mitochondria, who, if
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the ship is sinking, if this cell is going under,
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the mitochondria are responsible for initiating a
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programmed cell death called apoptosis. And
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again, they can't do it. And so it sets this
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stage for this environment where now the cells
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can divide uncontrollably. And the last step in
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that is that naturally, when natural cell
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division takes place, which is happening all the
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time in our body, the cell will naturally flip
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from this gelled, negatively charged water to
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neutral liquid water. Because things have to
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move. Right. That gelled water doesn't allow as
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much free movement, but when it quickly flips to
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a liquid state, temporarily, it allows for these
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spindles to form, for the cell to kind of pull
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its components into two different parts, and for
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those then two cells to divide. And then the
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gelled water's supposed to be reestablished. And
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that doesn't happen because the cell gets the
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signal to divide uncontrolled.
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Meredith Oke: Oh, okay. So the immune system has been walled
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off and is not helping.
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Carrie Bennett: Correct. And the mitochondria can't signal to
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them, they can't initiate apoptosis.
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Meredith Oke: And so the mitochondria can't kill off the cells
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that they should be because they can't
27:27
communicate with the immune system. So they do
27:32
their little flippening from the liquid crystal
27:37
structured, easy water to the bulk water, which
27:40
is supposed to be temporary in the healthy
27:45
process. And then it gets stuck there. Correct.
27:50
It stays in that. So we lose all the benefits of
27:54
the liquid crystal structured water. Correct. At
27:59
the same time enabling the cancer cells to
28:02
replicate. So we lose the healthy, beneficial
28:06
things, Parts of the mitochondria While creating
28:09
an environment for the bad stuff to flourish.
28:13
Carrie Bennett: Correct.
28:16
Meredith Oke: Oh, my God. Sorry. I don't mean to take the
28:20
lord's name in vain. Oh, my goodness. Okay. I
28:23
haven't, like, heard it laid out quite that
28:26
clearly. Thank you. Just gonna process how. What
28:31
we're doing to ourselves in this world. Okay.
28:35
Carrie Bennett: The aha moment for me was listening to Jerry lay
28:38
this out so I could tell he was working on a
28:41
paper about this when I met him in. Back in April
28:44
at Tracy's hydrate summit. And he laid out that
28:49
even in that, like, cells number one are supposed
28:52
to undergo this. This transition temporarily from
28:56
negatively charged gelled water to bulk water
28:59
during mitosis or cell division. But when cells
29:03
get drained of it and they can't re establish
29:05
that charge, it's not always malignant tumors,
29:08
even benign tumors can form in terms of this. So
29:11
it's just the off switch isn't there? And if I
29:15
take this then a step further, I think to myself,
29:17
okay, so cancer cells undergo classically are
29:21
undergoing what's called a Warburg metabolism,
29:23
meaning they're. Anyone who's ever unfortunately
29:27
had to go through this, you oftentimes get what's
29:29
called a PET scan, where you have this, what's
29:32
called radio labeled or like flu fluorescent
29:34
glucose. And they basically image the body to see
29:39
where is this glucose being hoarded. And so the
29:42
glucose gets hoarded into these cancerous cells
29:45
because those cancerous cells are taking the
29:48
glucose and instead of making 32 ATP like would
29:53
happen if the glucose was going through the
29:54
natural metabolism through the mitochondria
29:57
instead, each glucose is only making to ATP. So
30:01
they have to hoard it. Hoard it, hoard it. That
30:04
ATP is used in some capacity in the cell to
30:07
support this cancerous environment because they
30:11
only want to make two, but they want to make this
30:13
lactic acid, right, which helps them evade the
30:15
immune system, you know, keep the cell kind of in
30:17
this dysfunctional state. But the reason why we
30:20
need ATP in the first place in a healthy cell is
30:23
that when we have healthy amounts of ATP, that
30:27
ATP helps to pull potassium into the cell to help
30:31
keep it negatively charged. So again, another
30:35
hallmark of cancer cells is they don't have
30:36
enough intracellular potassium. And they thought
30:39
that what the research has been saying is, but
30:41
wait, these, technically we test potassium status
30:45
in these people and we don't see a lack of
30:47
potassium. It's not like a potassium deficiency.
30:50
But what people don't realize is that potassium
30:53
has almost like this magnetic pull to proteins
30:57
that are in their correct configuration, which is
30:59
an elongated state inside of the cell. And they
31:02
can only get into that elongated state when ATP
31:05
binds to them. When ATP binds to proteins inside
31:07
of the cell, it pulls them into their healthy
31:09
elongated state. And then the potassium goes, oh,
31:12
there's a spot for me to bind. There's a spot for
31:14
me to bind. And so it gets essentially it's
31:16
called adsorbed. But I just like view it as like
31:18
a magnetic suction gets suctioned into the cell
31:21
naturally. So again, we don't have to invoke
31:24
sodium potassium pumps here because that's not
31:28
what's happening. There's a natural adsorption of
31:31
potassium into the cell in order to stick to
31:34
these proteins in their elongated state. But
31:36
adequate ATP is required for that. And so again,
31:39
now the. Now the cell can't. It has another
31:43
whammy, if you will, in its ability to
31:44
reestablish healthy charge, because part of the
31:47
charge is the potassium inside of the cell,
31:49
Helping to keep that gelled water in the correct
31:52
amount.
31:55
Meredith Oke: Okay. All right. So in addition to having
31:59
communication with the immune system be shut
32:03
down, and in addition to losing that easy water
32:08
that is required for optimal functioning,
32:11
flipping into the bulk water that's meant to be
32:14
temporary, that is not optimal, that sets the
32:16
stage for the cancer cells to flourish. Now,
32:19
we're also seeing that those cancer cells are
32:22
less efficient at making ATP, so they hoard
32:27
glucose, but that downgrading of ATP production
32:32
means they're not attracting the potassium. So
32:34
they're also deficient. So the mitochondria is
32:38
now also deficient in this much. In this needed.
32:41
What do you call potassium nutrient or.
32:43
Carrie Bennett: Yeah, I mean, it's a nutrient that's needed for
32:44
the proteins to function in the body.
32:47
Meredith Oke: Okay, so now that's another layer of dysfunction.
32:53
Carrie Bennett: Correct.
32:54
Meredith Oke: When you lay it out like that, you see people
32:59
suffering with cancer and how quickly and
33:01
horrible it can be. Like there's just so many
33:04
things going wrong.
33:05
Carrie Bennett: Okay, there's so many things going wrong. And
33:07
here's another interesting thing, because you'll
33:09
see these studies that say, you know, 100% of
33:12
this type of cancer is associated with parasite
33:14
or fungal infection. And so what's fascinating is
33:18
that. Yes, but did the parasite and fungal
33:21
infection cause the cancer? Or do we now have
33:24
pleomorphic opportunistic entities inside of the
33:28
body that are helping to clear the damage
33:31
surrounding the cancer? And that's what's
33:33
happening. Right. These cells, they do try to
33:36
secrete, treat stuff, they kick stuff out.
33:38
There's. They have fragmented things. They're
33:40
trying to get rid of these dysfunctional proteins
33:42
inside of them. Right. And the fungal infection
33:46
or the parasites are there to help to clear that.
33:49
But, but at some point that can also overwhelm
33:51
the body. And so that's where you might see
33:54
certain antifungals or anti parasitics that have
33:56
been used in cancer treatments. A cancer
33:59
treatment strategy. But I still highly encourage
34:02
people. Yeah, you might need to give the body a
34:04
bit of a clearance of these opportunistic
34:07
pathogens, but they're not the bad guys. And
34:10
they're not ultimately necessarily going to
34:12
resolve, completely resolve the situation. We
34:15
have to understand how to build back this
34:18
Exclusion zone water and make these mitochondria
34:21
functional again.
34:24
Meredith Oke: Okay, so it sounds like in terms of both cancer
34:30
prevention and treatment, our goal, not giving.
34:35
Yes, sorry. Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't use
34:37
that word. And you know, whether you want to
34:40
prevent cancer or whether you want to optimize
34:43
yourself, no matter what state you're in, we
34:46
really want to focus on tending to this water.
34:50
Correct. This liquid, liquid crystal exclusion
34:55
zone structured water. It has some. Lots of names.
34:59
Carrie Bennett: Correct.
34:59
Meredith Oke: And just people do hear, excuse me, different
35:02
terms being thrown around. We're all. We're
35:04
talking about the same type of water. Okay.
35:08
Carrie Bennett: Yes. And so but this is why, right. Like, again,
35:11
it's like, okay, is there any instances where
35:14
things that rebuild this exclusion zone water,
35:17
which one of the main things is infrared
35:20
exposure? Are there any instances where infrared
35:23
exposure has been used to. Historically to affect
35:26
cancer. Cancer cells? Yes. Right. There is a
35:30
therapy that I don't believe it's approved of in
35:33
the United States, but there's something called
35:34
mistletoe therapy where, you know, mistletoe
35:37
essentially gets typically injected into the body
35:40
and it can stimulate a very high fever in people.
35:44
Meredith Oke: Like mistletoe, like the plant.
35:45
Carrie Bennett: Like the plant.
35:46
Meredith Oke: Like kiss under it at Christmas. Okay, correct.
35:49
Carrie Bennett: And I mean, that's also not just with mistletoe,
35:51
but when you look at the case studies of
35:53
spontaneous remission, a lot of times you will
35:56
see a spontaneous remission take place
35:58
immediately following a period of high fever. And
36:02
so it's like, you know, it becomes like, you
36:05
know, it's easy if you only. It's easy to be
36:07
like, oh, well, yep, the immune system was just
36:09
doing its thing until you're like, oh, but wait,
36:11
fever's infrared. And is it possible that the
36:15
body really needed an adequate amount of infrared
36:17
exposure to be able to clear. Clear whatever in
36:22
the cell and to re establish healthy gelled
36:24
water? I think that's the case. You also now see
36:27
this targeted treatment, again, not medical
36:30
advice at all. But I want people to know that
36:31
what the options and what's out there. I think, I
36:34
think knowledge is important. I think informed
36:35
consent is very important. And so there is
36:39
something called targeted hyperthermia, which is
36:43
where they will target general just the tumor.
36:45
Like they, like they figured out with targeted
36:47
radiation. But they'll target just the tumor with
36:49
high, high heat again, that, that inactivates,
36:53
basically it halts the cancer cells from grow
36:56
proliferating anymore because you've given the
36:59
signal to stop dividing. They're not going to.
37:02
They're not saying that in the Literature. And so
37:04
this is. This is just me kind of like working
37:06
through this, but you start to see these common.
37:10
I don't know, I just feel like reading the cancer
37:12
literature starts to make so much more sense when
37:14
you look at it from this viewpoint.
37:17
Meredith Oke: Right, so the mistletoe therapy, is that being
37:21
done like in. In Europe or.
37:23
Carrie Bennett: It was being done in Europe last time.
37:25
Meredith Oke: Okay.
37:25
Carrie Bennett: Into it. Yes.
37:26
Meredith Oke: Okay.
37:27
Carrie Bennett: I believe in South America as well. Yeah.
37:30
Meredith Oke: All right, so there are some sort of like cancer
37:34
treatments available probably outside of the
37:37
mainstream medical establishment of most
37:39
countries that most of us live in. But it is
37:42
available and it has been developed in order to
37:50
bring infrared into the system and to help with
37:54
cancer as a very specific treatment.
37:56
Carrie Bennett: And I don't know if it was designed to bring
37:57
infrared into the system, but just the
37:59
observation was, oh, look, when there's this
38:02
amount and intensity of infrared, whether it's
38:04
self generated through the immune system,
38:06
producing a fever, or whether it's exogenously
38:08
applied, oh, look what happens. It's beneficial
38:11
to the person.
38:12
Meredith Oke: Right.
38:12
Carrie Bennett: It ultimately helps them with, you know,
38:15
survival, remission, whatever data points they're
38:17
looking at.
38:18
Meredith Oke: Okay, so I want to bring up a case study with. Of
38:24
a woman who I interviewed called Diana Wanna. And
38:28
she had cancer. She was in hospice, basically.
38:36
Again, I'm not recommending people do this.
38:39
Please go listen to the interview with Deanna.
38:41
She's a highly, highly trained scientist and was
38:44
making her choices based on years and years of
38:49
research and experience. I am just sharing what
38:53
she chose to do and what the effect was. And
38:55
maybe you can help break, break down a little bit
38:57
what happened. So she had basically been told
39:01
that she was dead. And she, as a last ditch
39:07
effort, flew to Mexico and went on the beach
39:13
every day in the morning and then spent the
39:16
whole. And then spent most of the day soaking in
39:18
a cenote, like an underground cave. Underground
39:21
cave, water. Then going on the beach again in the
39:25
evening and then sleeping and. Well, she's still
39:32
here. So within a week she had recovered some
39:37
strength and was sort of on. Was sort of on the
39:39
road to recovery again. I'm just. This is a story
39:42
that was shared with me. Please, it's not advice.
39:44
This is just what happened with Deanna. So could
39:48
you explain how those choices, through the lens
39:53
of what you've just explained to us, how those
39:56
choices could have affected her outcome?
39:58
Carrie Bennett: Yeah, absolutely. Number one, that light on. Let
40:02
me just put it this way. Being connected to
40:04
earth, whether it's through bare feet on the sand
40:06
or in water, has been shown to build Exclusions
40:11
on water. So build this gelled water so has
40:15
exposure to things like the Schumann resonance,
40:17
which, you know, obviously she would have gotten
40:19
a very good exposure if she was there
40:21
continuously. And people are like, but the
40:22
Schumann resonance is always there. Yes, but our
40:25
modern indoor living makes it harder for us to
40:28
sense that signal because we've got all of this.
40:31
Number two, there's a huge circadian component to
40:34
this that we haven't talked about yet, because
40:36
there is a really strong correlation between
40:39
circadian rhythm disruption and cancer. And so
40:43
what she was doing was the, you know, what I
40:45
would say the quintessential day for resetting
40:47
your circadian rhythm, which is get that morning
40:50
light to tell your brain the morning has started.
40:52
You optimize hormone balance there. You optimize
40:55
immune function. You optimize digestion. You do
40:57
so many beautiful things there. And then being in
40:59
a cenote, she's still outside getting that
41:01
natural light signal. And then if she was again
41:04
on the beach singing the song, she was really
41:06
hoping to signal that the day has ended. So her
41:09
body was making more melatonin, potentially way
41:12
more melatonin, than she'd ever made because of
41:13
our modern living, how it depletes us of
41:16
nighttime melatonin. And then, you know, that
41:19
recovery period at night with that melatonin.
41:22
Melatonin is not something we've touched on here,
41:26
but it's key in this as well, which is because,
41:29
number one, melatonin helps the mitochondria to
41:32
run apoptosis, but also, which should help to,
41:35
you know, oh, now I can recognize that this cell
41:38
is dividing uncontrollably, and I can try to do
41:40
something about it, but that's the melatonin
41:43
that's secreted by the pineal gland at night, and
41:45
that's only 5% of our body's melatonin. 95% of
41:50
melatonin we make is throughout the day in
41:53
response to infrared, specifically near infrared
41:56
light. And by being outside like that, she was
41:59
always surrounding herself with near infrared
42:02
light. And so this is where that near infrared
42:05
light produces melatonin inside of the cell to
42:08
help clear damage inside of the cell, to help
42:11
restore mitochondria to their healthy
42:13
functioning, to help wipe out whatever has been
42:18
ravaged the cell from the cancerous metabolism.
42:20
And so what? One of the preeminent researchers in
42:23
the world, actually, I'm gonna say two now,
42:25
because I love Scott Zimmerman, too. But Scott
42:27
Zimmerman and Russell Ryder, who are both really
42:30
now diving into the melatonin aspect of being
42:34
generated through near infrared light, they
42:36
showed through both a study like that, but also a
42:40
nighttime darkness exposure that if you have
42:42
adequate melatonin inside the cell, you can shut
42:45
down the Warburg metabolism, you, you can help
42:48
the mitochondria regain control of the
42:51
metabolism. They can start to make that water
42:54
again. Adequate ATP, pull the potassium back into
42:58
the cell. That water can become that healthy
43:00
negative charge as well. And so melatonin is a
43:04
huge component here. And yes, we think, well, let
43:07
me take it, but it's way better for the body to
43:11
make it, because when we make it, we make it
43:13
inside side of the cells in response to infrared
43:16
light, specifically near infrared light. When we
43:18
take it, it has to go into the bloodstream first.
43:21
It has to get into the cell. And so I highly,
43:24
highly encourage people to kind of look at this
43:26
aspect of near infrared light exposure,
43:28
maximizing melatonin production. And that's also
43:31
interesting because in the photobiomodulation
43:33
research, the red light therapy research, in
43:36
which near infrared light is a prominent
43:38
wavelength range that they isolate in these red
43:40
light therapy panels, originally, and again, not
43:43
medical advice, but originally they were hesitant
43:45
to say, let's use red light therapy maybe as a
43:48
support for cancer because we don't want to help
43:52
these cancer cells get any more metabolically
43:54
active. But what they're now showing is that, but
43:57
wait a second, it looks as though we're actually
43:59
helping the mitochondria recover the healthy
44:02
metabolic function again. And tip of the iceberg
44:06
in terms of the research. Research. But I'm not
44:08
surprised by that in terms of the ability of the
44:10
mitochondria to take that melatonin and heal the
44:14
cell. And then not only is that subcellular
44:17
melatonin healing the cell, but that near
44:19
infrared light also, that is the wavelength range
44:22
of light that's needed for the mitochondria to
44:24
make water more effectively and ATP more
44:26
effectively again. So you're really providing the
44:28
body with some major things that it needs in
44:31
order to try to naturally hear, heal and get rid
44:34
of whatever was ultimately causing the, the
44:37
mitochondrial dysfunction in the first place.
44:42
Meredith Oke: Wow. It's a, it's amazing how important, how,
44:47
how, how important this light is. Yes. And all
44:50
the things that it's doing. And so, so it's not
44:54
just helping our bodies to create the exclusion
44:58
zone, liquid crystal structured water that we
45:00
need. It's also stimulating this other, this kind
45:04
of melatonin that we make, not the nighttime
45:09
melatonin, the other kind of melatonin. And that
45:11
melatonin is healing the cancer. And it has, that
45:15
melatonin is turning off that Warborg. Warburg,
45:19
yeah.
45:20
Carrie Bennett: Metabolism, doctor.
45:21
Meredith Oke: Where they can't. Where it's stopping the ATP
45:24
from being made properly and hoarding glucose,
45:26
which shuts that off.
45:27
Carrie Bennett: They call it like literally a crazy.
45:28
Meredith Oke: Holy crap.
45:29
Carrie Bennett: A quote from Dr. Reiter's published paper was. He
45:32
called it. He called it part time cancer. So they
45:37
showed that when you give adequate darkness
45:39
exposure at night, the cancer cells are no longer
45:42
in their Warburg metabolism. They can start to
45:44
recover healthy metabolic function at night. Now,
45:48
my thing would be, okay, likely the cells and
45:51
whatever was being studied, whether it was in
45:53
mice or in a petri dish in vitro, what if not
45:58
only did we give adequate darkness exposure at
46:00
night for melatonin production from the pineal
46:02
gland, but then we also bathed these animals, say
46:06
in the appropriate near infrared exposure during
46:08
the day. Would that make an additional difference
46:11
in recovering cells from that Warburg metabolism,
46:16
again allowing the cells to regain healthy
46:18
mitochondrial function? What if then we also had
46:21
adequate mid. Far infrared, right. Which is the
46:24
type of infrared we generate with. With fever. So
46:27
basically the infrared we feel is heat, which
46:29
would be getting from sunlight or campfire. What
46:32
if, then we also gave those mice that exposure so
46:35
that they could have that gelled charged water
46:37
recovered as well? What would that look like? I
46:42
mean, there's also anecdotal. I mean, there's an.
46:44
Anecdotally. Then there's a. There was a. An
46:48
actor on a large podcast recently, recently who
46:50
said he had four friends who had cancer and they
46:53
took a couple of different things. But
46:54
interestingly, methylene blue can fall into that
46:57
list because methylene blue, again, not medical
47:00
advice, but again, methylene blue specifically
47:03
addresses the mitochondria. It gives them
47:06
adequate electron donation and holds them in a
47:10
healthy configuration to again, be efficient in
47:14
terms of. It's like they can regain metabolic
47:16
function in that capacity. So, yeah, I mean,
47:20
it's. I just want this, my whole point of this,
47:22
again, it's not medical advice. I just want to
47:24
empower people to think about this a little bit
47:26
differently. Again, personal choice is personal
47:32
choice. But enough people have found that they've
47:34
had a certain cancer gene and decided to do what
47:37
I would consider to be fairly drastic
47:39
interventions out of fear to say, oh, I got the
47:41
gene. And I'm thinking, is it the presence of the
47:44
gene or is it these other dysfunctions, like you
47:48
said, that ultimately confuse the DNA so that
47:50
that gene can express itself?
47:53
Meredith Oke: Right.
47:53
Carrie Bennett: And I think that's really more likely what it is.
47:56
I think that we need to recognize how empowered
47:58
we can be when it comes to this story. And this
48:01
isn't just cancer. What we're talking about here,
48:03
Warburg metabolism happens in other pathologies.
48:07
It's been studied in Alzheimer's disease,
48:08
disease, Parkinson's disease, I mean, autoimmune
48:10
conditions. And so what we're talking about here
48:13
is not just specific to cancer likely. This is at
48:16
play in every single disease state that we know,
48:19
just to differing degrees. And that drainage of
48:22
cellular charge reaches a certain point where it
48:25
becomes. Where it becomes actually positively
48:27
charged. A cancerous cell is no longer negatively
48:30
charged, it's positively charged. And so that's
48:32
where we start to see the proliferation taking
48:35
place, that growth taking place. But this is
48:38
likely happening in every disease state that we
48:41
now know of.
48:43
Meredith Oke: Wow. So the good news of that is that the
48:49
strategies to heal and optimize the mitochondria
48:54
are also going to help with every disease. And so
48:58
that is sleeping and completely complete
49:00
darkness. Like, even. Because, yeah, there was
49:04
that recent paper where they showed Alzheimer's
49:08
was much higher prevalence in areas where there
49:11
was a lot of outdoor artificial light at night,
49:14
which is crazy. Okay, so sleeping in darkness and
49:18
then being exposed to natural sunlight throughout
49:21
the day.
49:22
Carrie Bennett: Correct.
49:23
Meredith Oke: And so when you talked about infrared, near
49:27
infrared, mid infrared, for somebody who is not
49:33
going to be able to be outside all day long. So
49:36
we could. We could, you know, like Deanna's
49:38
story. She's like, I'm about to die. I'm just
49:41
going to go somewhere where I can be outside all
49:44
day long and see what happens. So for people who
49:47
are maybe more of a preventative phase or not
49:49
quite in, like, in a crisis point, but they can't
49:52
be outside all day because it's freezing cold or
49:54
they're working or whatever, do. Okay, so two
49:58
questions. Does red light therapy help with this?
50:03
And second of all, does sauna help? Does the
50:05
heating up in a sauna sort of mimic what happens
50:07
when you get a fever, or is that a different
50:09
process?
50:10
Carrie Bennett: No, I mean, I think it's fair to say that, number
50:13
one, protect your melatonin at night. We can all
50:16
do that with blue blockers and blackout curses,
50:19
curtains, you know, things like that. So that's
50:20
number one. But when it comes to this kind of
50:23
mimicking the sun exposures when we can't get
50:25
outside. Yeah. I do believe, just based on my
50:29
clinical experience of seeing people who are
50:31
healing themselves from various conditions, that
50:35
appropriate red light therapy, which. Or
50:38
adequate, I should say, red light therapy and
50:40
sauna are beneficial. They absolutely are. Can I
50:44
say that, that if you sauna for 20 minutes at 140
50:48
degrees Fahrenheit every day, that that's all,
50:51
you know, that's all you're going to need. I
50:53
mean, I can't say that I can't make those
50:55
correlations, but what I can say is I absolutely
50:58
know that when we get into the sauna, we're
51:02
soaking up that infrared to build exclusion zone
51:04
water. And that's a very beneficial thing to do.
51:07
I can also say that when we're exposing our
51:09
bodies to that red and near infrared red light of
51:11
red light therapy panels, we're helping that
51:14
mitochondria, water and ATP production very
51:17
beneficial. We're making subcellular melatonin
51:20
very beneficial. But then it comes down to there
51:24
are other things at play. Like I said, what's our
51:26
toxin exposure like, what is our non native EMF
51:29
exposure like? Because that can also create
51:31
mitochondrial dysfunction. And even not to
51:35
underestimate, you know, trauma based mechanisms
51:38
as well, my belief is that trauma really can also
51:43
impact mitochondria in a negative way in terms of
51:46
making them less able to be as efficient as they
51:49
might need to be. So there might be other things
51:51
at play here, but I don't see why it would ever
51:56
be a bad strategy to say, block the artificial
51:59
light at night, go outside, whatever. You can
52:02
have a red light therapy panel and sauna at your
52:04
disposal if it's financially feasible to allow
52:08
you to allow those cells to thrive at the
52:11
mitochondrial level as best as possible.
52:14
Meredith Oke: Right. And so that these would be like
52:18
foundational practices that, you know,
52:23
historically would have just been how we lived.
52:27
We wouldn't have had an option. We didn't have
52:29
artificial light at night and we were mostly
52:34
outside during the day. Like up until probably
52:37
the industrial revolution there was whatever you
52:40
did in life would require a lot of outdoor
52:44
exposure, walking around, just doing gardening,
52:47
farming. Anyway, time you had to go anywhere you
52:50
would go, you would be outside. Yeah.
52:52
Carrie Bennett: And there wasn't window glass that was blocking
52:54
the infrared and ultraviolet. We still used
52:58
animal hides for our shoes. So we weren't just
53:00
ever disconnected from earth's electrons except
53:02
maybe when we were sleeping out of bed indoors,
53:05
you know, I mean, so like anytime outside we
53:07
would have been connected. It's just, you know,
53:10
we've essentially systematically, progressively
53:13
divorced ourselves from these things. And it's to
53:15
the detriment of our mitochondria, to the
53:17
detriment of our cellular charge, to the
53:19
detriment of our circadian rhythm. And it, it's
53:23
not, it doesn't take a lot to regain, you know,
53:27
connection back to these things, it just takes
53:29
the awareness.
53:31
Meredith Oke: Right. And so when we talk about doing these
53:34
things, it's not like, oh, this crazy biohacking.
53:37
It's like we're just restoring our body to the
53:41
environment and the connection to natural rhythms
53:44
that it needs to thrive. Just like you would need
53:47
to put a seed in the earth and water it and give
53:49
it sunlight if you expected it to grow. And it
53:51
wouldn't be a big mystery if you took those
53:55
things away. It died. Correct. Okay. So that's
54:00
sort of the foundational piece in terms of light
54:03
and darkness. Then you talked about in our modern
54:08
world. So there's kind of a couple pieces, right?
54:11
Like there's the way that we've disconnected
54:13
ourselves from nature and nature feeds, keeps our
54:17
bodies optimal. But then we're also then
54:22
assaulting our bodies with different types of
54:24
toxins in our, in our food, in our water and in
54:29
our, in the air with the EMFs. So how is that
54:34
then layering on in terms of what you've already
54:38
explained?
54:39
Carrie Bennett: Well, I mean, all of those things are just
54:42
driving mitochondrial dysfunction, Right. They're
54:45
changing our gelled water. So again, and Jerry
54:50
Pollack is amazing, right. I think he's really
54:54
just. I love where he's going with all of his
54:57
research. And what he showed a while ago now was
55:01
that, yes, we need this gelled water for cellular
55:04
health, but, oh, guess what? Glyphosate prevents
55:07
that gelled water from forming to the best
55:09
extent. Glyphosate also, not through Jerry's
55:11
work, but we know glyphosate also is
55:13
mitochondrial toxic. Oh, heavy metals impair the
55:17
ability to form that gelled water to the adequate
55:19
extent. Oh, by the way, heavy metals can also
55:21
harm the mitochondria. Fluoride, let me think. So
55:28
the heavy metals, glyphosate, fluoride, likely
55:31
microplastics, non native EMFs, all of these
55:34
things we know they affect both. It's likely that
55:37
the intersection of what truly makes something a
55:40
toxin is it both impairs exclusions on water from
55:45
forming to the adequate extent and impairs the
55:47
mitochondria. And again, over time. The cool
55:50
thing about the cool thing about our bodies is
55:52
that, number one, we can make new mitochondria
55:55
called mitochondrial biogenesis. And we do that
55:58
to what are called hormetic stressors. So it
56:01
could be exercise, it could be sauna, it could be
56:03
a cold plunge, it could be some different types
56:05
of aggressive, like almost say aggressive, but
56:07
different breath work techniques. We can make
56:10
nesting. Right. We can make mitochondria new
56:12
mitochondria. The other thing is, is that, so
56:17
those mitochondria then if they were getting
56:18
dysfunctional and we make them, okay, that's
56:20
great, we'll keep those. Let's say we still have
56:22
some dysfunctional functional mitochondria in an
56:23
area. The cell has to reach a really critical
56:27
threshold of about, you know, let's say 70 to 80%
56:31
of its mitochondria being very dysfunctional
56:34
before pathologies really start to take hold. So
56:37
it's not like, oh, I drank a little fluoridated
56:39
water at my friend's house because I know they
56:41
don't filter it and I'm out of luck. It's like,
56:43
no, you know, so I don't want this to be a fear
56:46
based mindset either because we are resilient
56:49
bodies and we really can withstand a lot. And so
56:52
I don't, I actually think, and I have seen this,
56:55
that fear based perfectionist mindset can
56:57
actually be as detrimental, if not so more
57:00
detrimental than having a, having a glass of tap
57:03
water every once in a while. You know, so, and so
57:06
I really think that we have to kind of balance
57:08
this out as well to recognize, yes, toxins are
57:10
there, yes, likely they both impact exclusion
57:14
zone water and the mitochondria. But we're making
57:17
new mitochondria. But we have light and darkness
57:20
as a means of clearing up damaged mitochondria,
57:24
supporting healthy mitochondria. And so I think
57:26
if we can just kind of think about it as a,
57:28
toxins are there, but let's not fear them. Let's
57:32
do the best we can to be resilient against them
57:34
and support healthy mitochondria. That goes a
57:36
long, long way.
57:38
Meredith Oke: Right. And so the practices that we talked about,
57:42
especially with the light, light and darkness
57:44
blocking artificial light at night, are
57:47
supporting us to have healthy mitochondria and
57:49
structured water, which makes us more resilient
57:50
to these toxins. So we want to lower them to the
57:54
best of our ability, but not to the point where
57:57
we are living in fear. Especially with EMFs like
58:03
WHO cell tower? Like, I can turn my wi fi off at
58:07
night, but I can't move the cell tower. That's in
58:09
my neigh. Yeah.
58:12
Carrie Bennett: If you're wearing a wireless technology on your
58:16
body or have it have something wireless near your
58:18
physical body for extended periods of time
58:20
throughout the day, consider doing something
58:23
different. So the watches, the AirPods, the cell
58:26
phone, consider just taking those away from your
58:28
body. Consider hardwiring your workstation if you
58:31
can, and positioning your bed In a way where
58:34
you're not next to the WI fi router, right. And
58:36
that's as far away from you as possible. And
58:39
those little things actually can go a long way
58:41
towards giving the mitochondria relief from those
58:44
non native EMFs so that they can kind of recover
58:47
healthy functioning.
58:50
Meredith Oke: Perfect. Amazing. And again like fairly, fairly
58:53
simple. This is, you know, unless you want to
58:55
invest in a red light panel or infrared sauna.
58:59
I've been encouraging that lately. Like I just,
59:01
when I first wanted to try, I put IFR sauna into
59:05
Google Maps and else there was like a little
59:07
sauna place in the next town over. I could rent a
59:11
room for half an hour with like a little phone
59:14
booth. You know, there's lots of, you know, lots
59:16
of probably options for that. But with the
59:19
exception of those things, like this is all, none
59:22
of this is, is expensive or difficult. We just
59:25
have to think about it and do it. Okay, so one
59:29
last question I wanted to ask, like on the
59:31
toxins, the glyphosate, the fluoride, those have
59:36
been coming up in, in the mainstream media a lot
59:39
lately. I spent a lot of time on, maybe more time
59:42
than I should on Twitter, like evaluating where
59:45
the conversation is at. And I have seen some very
59:50
smart, open minded people who are not like this
59:53
is all crap. Like they, they do their research,
59:56
they do some research and their, their question
59:59
was like, you know, it's such a small amount,
1:00:04
it's like X number of parts per million, like why
1:00:09
are we making such a, such a fuss about this? And
1:00:14
of course my thought is like they don't
1:00:16
understand. They're not taking the biology down
1:00:20
to it to the level that you need to, to
1:00:23
understand why this is a problem. So if you could
1:00:25
just speak to that argument for.
1:00:27
Carrie Bennett: Absolutely. And so it's correct, these are small
1:00:31
exposures, but these chemicals have never been
1:00:36
studied with small exposures for the duration
1:00:39
that we're using them or being exposed to them in
1:00:42
conjunction with thousands of other chemicals at
1:00:46
small exposures. And so perhaps a little bit of
1:00:49
fluoride in a mouse study that was done for her
1:00:53
long mouse study would be like 12 weeks, right.
1:00:57
Didn't show any changes. But what about that?
1:01:01
Giving those mice fluoride plus glyphosate in
1:01:05
their feed, plus microplastics and heavy water,
1:01:08
plus food dyes, plus irradiating their cage with
1:01:11
non native EMFs, plus extending that study
1:01:13
throughout their full lifespan, what would that
1:01:17
look like? And so what we're doing, unfortunately
1:01:19
what we're doing with those things is we're
1:01:22
thinking that they all exist in isolation and
1:01:24
they absolutely don't. I mean, I think the
1:01:27
average baby, when you study the cord blood, is
1:01:29
born with something like 300 chemicals in the
1:01:33
bloodstream. So you can't say that we're looking
1:01:36
at these things in isolation. We just aren't
1:01:38
because of things like statistics like that. And
1:01:41
so now we have to say, okay, maybe it's not just
1:01:43
one thing, but maybe it's the aggregation of all
1:01:48
of these things and how they accumulate over
1:01:50
time, which I think is the case, that's
1:01:52
ultimately resulting in the unfortunate health
1:01:55
detriment that we see these days in our, in our
1:01:58
modern society. And so that's, that's would be my
1:02:02
reply to that. And also that there is a lot of
1:02:05
research that shows that the mitochondria, when
1:02:07
you study the function of the mitochondria
1:02:10
isolate these chemicals, they absolutely,
1:02:11
absolutely create toxicity in the mitochondria at
1:02:16
small doses.
1:02:18
Meredith Oke: Right. And it's like my understanding, like
1:02:22
through the quantum lens, it's like the amount is
1:02:25
not what matters.
1:02:27
Carrie Bennett: Right.
1:02:30
Meredith Oke: You can have a asymmetric effect from a small,
1:02:33
small amount. And it's like a more kind of
1:02:37
Newtonian thought process to be like, oh well,
1:02:39
it's just such a tiny little bit. What does it
1:02:41
really matter?
1:02:42
Carrie Bennett: Yeah, yeah. There's so much. Our body is non
1:02:44
linear and, but we're, we're very linear in our
1:02:46
thinking. Like we need more or something for
1:02:49
something to be impactful or less of something.
1:02:51
And that's not the case. Sometimes the stimulus,
1:02:52
the small stimulus is all that's needed, like you
1:02:55
said, to kickstart a chain of events that
1:02:57
ultimately leads to some, some form of a disease.
1:02:59
And again, not fear, I don't want fear with that.
1:03:01
Yeah, but that's where you kind of have to see
1:03:03
the limitations in how we're studying and viewing
1:03:06
things like chemical exposure.
1:03:08
Meredith Oke: Right, right. And then to wrap, we'll bring it
1:03:11
back to the great good news is why, like there's
1:03:14
so much that we can do once we understand all of
1:03:18
these things that you have so beautifully laid
1:03:20
out for us, so much that we can do. So could you,
1:03:23
do you have any like stories or case studies to
1:03:28
share of like people that you've worked with or
1:03:31
heard about who applied these strategies in any
1:03:34
capacity. It could have been like, even for
1:03:36
something small, you know, I, I personally
1:03:39
applied all of these because, you know, I had
1:03:42
what I now realize was early stage chronic
1:03:44
fatigue. I can't believe people suffer for it for
1:03:47
so long. I was like, I Couldn't take it. But you
1:03:51
know, and I absolutely found a huge change in,
1:03:56
you know, like it changed my life. It really did.
1:03:59
Carrie Bennett: You know, it's hard. This might sound weird, but
1:04:02
I've got, I've had so many people, right. I'm
1:04:04
just blessed to work with so many people both one
1:04:08
on one, but also in my private community. The
1:04:10
private community has been fun because, you know,
1:04:11
you get to see people for years, like in a row
1:04:15
and it's like, it's like you hear time and time
1:04:18
again, well, my doctor can't believe that this
1:04:20
is, you know, this is where I'm at right now. You
1:04:22
know, when I was told that I, I would never get
1:04:24
to this point. And even if it's not a doctor
1:04:28
validating a disease like that, a disease
1:04:31
condition is improving. Sometimes it's little
1:04:33
tiny things like, oh my gosh, I didn't realize
1:04:37
that hydrogen rich water is something that my
1:04:41
body just needs. I need that redox support with
1:04:44
this. And now all of a sudden I actually feel for
1:04:46
the first time in my life that my body is moving
1:04:49
in the right direction. I actually had a, had a
1:04:52
community member who was take, who started taking
1:04:55
some hydrogen rich water, which is not something
1:04:57
we talked about here. We'll have to come back on
1:04:58
and do that. But it is another one of those
1:04:59
things that supports, like you said, like I said,
1:05:02
there's not one way to support healthy
1:05:03
mitochondria. This is another way that you can.
1:05:06
And her body developed a fever for the first time
1:05:09
in two years. And we're talking about a very
1:05:12
chronic debilitating disease progression that
1:05:15
she'd been, been under and this particular
1:05:17
community member, you know, normally people would
1:05:19
be like, oh no fever. It's like, and, and this
1:05:22
was being celebrated. It's like, yay. Now you've
1:05:25
given your body the adequate charge it needs to
1:05:28
start to clear stuff and push stuff out. You're
1:05:30
reestablishing exclusion zone water. And so it
1:05:33
could be as big as like a full reversal of
1:05:35
chronic fatigue or digestive issues or people
1:05:39
with cancers, neurocognitive things like you
1:05:43
could see like a huge shift. But you can also
1:05:46
celebrate these tiny little wins along the way as
1:05:48
well. Just to show that these are the things that
1:05:51
you give your body the correct stimulus. It will
1:05:54
do what it needs to do with that added energy and
1:05:56
support to continue the healing and hopefully
1:06:00
bring that healing to full circle into just a
1:06:02
thriving state of health. So you know, gosh,
1:06:06
there's so many like I have in my mind right now
1:06:09
that have just been riding this process out and
1:06:13
would never turn around and think, oh, what a
1:06:15
waste of time. Because it really truly. You see
1:06:18
them years from where they started and they just
1:06:21
look and act and seem like different people.
1:06:24
Meredith Oke: Wow. Yeah. It's so amazing. And yes, we'll have
1:06:28
to do a hydrogen water one. And what I find so
1:06:31
cool, what I've seen and experienced myself too,
1:06:34
is that it's like when you have like, like a.
1:06:38
Found a foundational, Understand how to have like
1:06:40
a foundational practice or live your life in a
1:06:43
way that's generally supportive of mitochondria,
1:06:46
then you can start to experiment and see, like,
1:06:50
oh, you know, then you do maybe homeopathy or we
1:06:53
were talking about earlier sound healing or
1:06:55
there's something. Or the hydrogen water or
1:06:58
there's. There's some other key that we find that
1:07:01
is just what we personally specifically needed as
1:07:05
opposed to what we've been talking about, which,
1:07:07
like, everybody needs. That was our body was
1:07:10
crying out for our biology, our history in some
1:07:15
way needed that. And now it's able to do its job
1:07:20
with that extra. That extra piece because we're
1:07:24
functional underneath.
1:07:26
Carrie Bennett: Exactly. Again, I'll say this time and time
1:07:29
again, the foundation is light, right? Yes. There
1:07:33
is a mindset component to it. Yes, I understand
1:07:36
nervous system. Right. But all of those things
1:07:39
are supported when you have the light environment
1:07:42
in place. When the light environment's in place,
1:07:45
the mitochondria are healthier. When the
1:07:48
mitochondria are healthier, the charge inside of
1:07:50
the cell is healthier. When that's healthier,
1:07:52
then the cell has the energy it needs, needs to
1:07:54
run all of its processes. And so this is why time
1:07:58
and time again, I've seen people make some minor,
1:08:02
seemingly minor changes in light. Like you said,
1:08:05
morning light exposure and blocking the
1:08:06
artificial light at night and all of a sudden
1:08:08
have a profound effect on their body in a short
1:08:11
period of time because their body then is taking
1:08:14
that energy and information and just doing so
1:08:16
much beneficial stuff with it. So I hope this
1:08:19
encourages people to continue to explore this
1:08:21
path here of light and light's effect on the
1:08:24
mitochondria and the water production inside of
1:08:26
us.
1:08:27
Meredith Oke: Yes. Carrie, thank you so much. As usual, this
1:08:33
was fantastic and I learned so many things.
1:08:37
Carrie is@carrieb wellness.com she has a
1:08:41
membership. If you want her ongoing support and
1:08:44
peer support to implement this in all of these. I
1:08:49
was going to say strategies, but it's just really
1:08:51
like to change your way of life. And Carrie, do
1:08:55
you have anything else going on or coming up you
1:08:57
want to share about?
1:08:58
Carrie Bennett: Well, you know, I mean by the time this comes
1:09:00
out, I think my cancer web, my live cancer
1:09:02
webinar will already have occurred. But it takes
1:09:05
this stuff, right? And in a small private session
1:09:09
like that with a small group of people, I can
1:09:11
really dive deeper, deeper into it. So if you're
1:09:13
interested in learning about specifically things
1:09:15
like the charge of cancer cells versus healthy
1:09:18
cells or you know, what's happening at the level
1:09:20
of the mitochondria there at an even deeper level
1:09:23
that's going to be available for purchase on my
1:09:25
website at this point.
1:09:26
Meredith Oke: Amazing. So the cancer webinar. Okay, yeah. That
1:09:30
would, you know, if you have cancer is affecting
1:09:34
your life in any way, this would, I would really
1:09:36
recommend to, to go to Kerry's webinar because we
1:09:39
really just. This is a great intro, but it'll be
1:09:44
really worth diving into if this is something
1:09:46
that you need to, that you're dealing with on a
1:09:47
day to day basis. And then also coming up in June
1:09:50
2025, you are hosting a retreat.
1:09:55
Carrie Bennett: That's so exciting. So June 26th and 27th in
1:09:59
Franklin, Tennessee which is just south of
1:10:01
Nashville. We've got this one hundred and sixty
1:10:04
acre pristine rock quarry. Natural, natural
1:10:08
water, you know, obviously tons of acreage of
1:10:12
just trails. The venue itself will allow for open
1:10:16
door, natural light. So like no stuffy
1:10:19
conference. It's a combination of learning and
1:10:21
experiential. Just getting together with all of
1:10:24
us. Fun. You know, I'll call us nerds. But you
1:10:27
know, just in this space, people really just want
1:10:29
to improve, embrace this stuff and learn more
1:10:31
about it and then just share our enthusiasm for
1:10:34
it. So that's on my website as well@carrieb
1:10:36
wellness.com.
1:10:38
Meredith Oke: That sounds amazing. Yeah. And to those of you
1:10:42
who leave beautiful messages and comments about
1:10:45
how impactful this podcast is for you, first of
1:10:48
all, thank you. And second of all, go to Carrie's
1:10:50
retreat. There is something about seeing people
1:10:55
in real life that changes the energy of your
1:10:59
intention and makes everything so much easier. I
1:11:02
think this is true. Whether it's for health or
1:11:04
business or learning a new language, you know,
1:11:08
whatever it is, that is a focus for your life. If
1:11:10
you can get around other people who are on the
1:11:13
same page in a positive way, that is a huge, huge
1:11:17
thing. And it's one of those things. I think the
1:11:20
benefits of going to a, a retreat like that, they
1:11:23
stay with you, right? It's like they put you,
1:11:25
they shift you to a new place and that's your new
1:11:28
place. So it might just be two days, but it lasts
1:11:31
forever.
1:11:32
Carrie Bennett: And I mean, all of our quantum friends are there,
1:11:35
right? Sarah Kleiner, Sarah Pugh, Stephen Hussey.
1:11:38
I mean, that's like Corey Gasvini, Peter
1:11:41
Forehand, who's new on the scene. But you're not
1:11:44
going to want to miss Peter stuff. It's all ether
1:11:46
crack, crystallization into matter. I mean, it's
1:11:49
so cool. Such cool stuff. And again, yeah, I'm
1:11:53
just excited, like you said, being with people in
1:11:56
person, just. There's something magical about it
1:11:58
when you can share that space together.
1:12:00
Meredith Oke: Yeah, no, that's going to be so fun. Okay, so
1:12:03
that's coming up June 2025, and there's info on
1:12:06
Carrie's website, carriebwellness.com. thank you,
1:12:10
Carrie. Oh, and of course, we have another cohort
1:12:14
in April for the Institute of Applied Quantum
1:12:17
Biology. There's a cohort currently running now
1:12:20
of just amazing people. I mean, you are all just.
1:12:23
I mean, I'm humbled every time I, I meet you all
1:12:27
and what people are bringing, the energy that
1:12:29
they're bringing and the hope and the. It's truly
1:12:33
remarkable.
1:12:34
Carrie Bennett: I love it.
1:12:35
Meredith Oke: Yes. And Carrie is our lead faculty for that, so
1:12:39
can go to qbcpod.com it'll link you to all the
1:12:43
places if you want to make sure you're on the
1:12:45
waitlist for April. All right, Carrie, thank you.
1:12:48
We'll see you again soon. Talk about hydrogen
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