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Episode one 27128 One. 28. 128 wow, 128 episodes of United.
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We scan and we're approaching another National Convention.
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But before we get to discussing our topic of the day, how was
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your week, Josh? Hot.
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Hot hot hot hot hot hot hot. F this.
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It's hot. I want winter now when it's 96°
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and 95% humidity. I thank God I have AC but I'm
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drinking like crazy. I'm hydrating.
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This is ridiculous folks. You go outside it's 80° at 7:30
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in the morning, 8:00 in the morning.
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It's like someone just sucks the life out of you.
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Please know your limits. Hydrate my week was good.
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The mail yesterday was just just a joke.
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I had maybe 20 get outs for the whole route and I'm thinking
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well Monday what's it going to be like?
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But week was good, not too much mail.
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Can't wait for a convention bill.
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Oh God I I had a very busy week. A lot of inquiries, specifically
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about some EOS and SPMS, The forcing of regulars to carry
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partial routes out, the use of the scanner for communication
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for non-emergency purposes. The list of carriers that were
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subject to be forced to go back out on routes.
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The thing, you know, partial routes, grandson, of course.
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And you know, the little booger was so wound up, he didn't get
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his nap on Wednesday. So by the time his parents came
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home, I was, you know, came over to get him and, you know, I was
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finally be able to get a shower at 7:00 PM this Wednesday night.
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I love the little sucker, though.
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He, he's, you know, he's, he looked at you with those eyes
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and you just, you melt, you know, I, I want to beat him, but
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I can. So other than that, I mean, I
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did, like I said, I, I did some shopping and it's, it's been hot
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and muggy up here. Humidity is, is the killer.
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I mean, you know, even if it's like 85° out, then the humidity
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is above 70%. You feel like you're walking
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into a, a, a, a sauna. You just take a breath and you
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feel the warmth go right into your lungs and it's like, this
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is this is not right. God bless you all.
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Yeah, out there. I mean, you know, places like
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New Mexico, Texas and all with the pure heat.
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But the rest of us, you know, on this Eastern seaboard, we get
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the humidity on top of the heat. And our heat can be 20° less
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than yours, but the humidity just, it saturates you.
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I mean, yeah, I, I can remember just going outside the loaded
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truck and jump, coming back in and, you know, having a towel on
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the back of my neck because I got to wipe all the perspiration
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off my head, my face and everything else.
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I just, it's brutal. So you're right.
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I mean, hydrate, hydrate the day before.
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And yeah, fog your glasses. I did that in the morning.
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Come out on my back neck here. You know, it's 7730 in the
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morning and I walked from the air conditioning unit.
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It's like, OK, now I got to wait for my glasses to clear up.
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It's it's ridiculous. So everybody hydrating you save
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from, you know, look out for each other.
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James, how about you? How was your week?
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All right, so I had to download a new recording software cuz
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last week we didn't have somebody to record for us, but
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this week I'm recording it and of course going through the
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growing pains of figuring out how to record this stuff and
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hopefully it's working right. If not, there won't be an
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episode posted, but I'm doing the best I can.
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You know, your, your voice is still still off a little bit.
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I don't know if you're moving around or not, but.
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No probably discord and because I'm using the recording, the
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system and a Bluetooth earpiece to talk on this so it's probably
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messing it up a little bit on discord.
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Hopefully the recording is coming through good though, but
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you know, it's normal week at work.
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Didn't have to work my relief day Saturday so luckily.
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But it's I apologize to everybody on Discord if there's
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issues going on. I'm trying to figure all this
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out myself. I do have my computer's not
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working hard to record this as it is, but I've never used
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Discord through my computer before so that could be also an
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issue. But just trying to get stuff
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ready for National Convention, getting stuff organized, getting
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stuff ordered, setting up for my table and things like that.
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Plus getting this house all cleaned up and organized.
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I spent all day today outside in the heat sweating my butt off,
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using shop towels to dry my forehead and my eyes out and
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went through 4 shop towels just doing the yard work and but
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other than that, I'm looking forward to our National
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Convention and helping carriers until that time through my page.
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But other than that, let's get into today's topic, which is
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National Convention. Now everybody that's here, I
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believe has already been to a National Convention.
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And so I want you guys, we've already done this last year as
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well. But I want you to talk about
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what you expect to see at National Convention.
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What do you expect to happen? What do you expect people to
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expect to see when they go to National Convention?
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Because there's all kinds of new people going to National
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Convention. I know there's quite a few first
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timers stepping up. So I kind of want to have you
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guys guide what the first timers are to expect to have and what
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even veteran attendees can expect.
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So we'll start with you, Bill, As the biggest veteran of
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national conventions on this podcast, we'll let you lead it
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off with what to expect at National Convention.
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Oh, oh God, let's, let's start off with the the fact that you
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can go in there on Sunday and you can start attending meetings
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morning, noon and night time. Same thing with Monday.
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There probably will be another rally thrown in there in regards
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to the privatization supporting the royal craft.
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Tuesday is the start of the actual convention and Tuesday is
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nothing but a his ass show of, you know, platitudes from
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everybody from the postmaster general.
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If he attends this year, I do not know.
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I believe our our convention will be the first that he has
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the opportunity to attend. It'll be the introduction of
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the, the local people, state hotels and everybody else.
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And it's a lot of glad handing and that backpack padding and
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everything else. It's, it's a complete waste of a
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convention day to me. And I, I just wish they would
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eliminate that, you know, from the get go.
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I mean, they, they could, they could take that and cut that
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down to a couple hours and we can get the business of the
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unions so much faster. But I think this is a, a
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redetermined act of convention so that they can control the end
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of the convention and kind of force us to rush through things
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at the end. And I, and I really hate that
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Wednesday comes along and that's when we're going to get to the
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gist of the business, including the, you know, nomination of
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officers for the different positions.
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And you get down to the business of the contract.
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And, and, you know, the president, Don Madsen, will be
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able to, you know, speak more freely in regards to the
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contract. And, you know, he may or may not
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take questions, but you're going to say no, OK Wednesday night is
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your banquet night. That's when everybody gets
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together and has a good time. There's good food, music, be
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flowing, alcohol. You're going to get your
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resolutions hopefully on Tuesday so we can start on them.
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But, you know, you typically can get them on Wednesdays and then
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people will be sitting around Wednesday nights, you know,
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going over to resolutions and everything.
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One of the things you notice at these conventions is the flick
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pocketing. OK.
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What I mean by that is the different cliques of, you know,
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the, the political allies and pocketing in small corners and
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rooms and stuff like that. And it and it's funny because
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the fact that you can sit there and say, OK, you know, this is a
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re election, but it's not. There are still states that
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almost require their individual delegates vote along a block
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forum, meaning we're voting for this individual.
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So everybody's voting for this individual.
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Well, that's not free voting, folks.
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I mean, you know, it, it's, it's one of those things where you,
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you sit there. My wife went to the one in Texas
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several years ago and she and she just sat there and, and for
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my wife to say they're a bunch of backstabbing son of bitches.
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She could see how people could come up and, you know, kind of
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endorse you and then turn around and stab you in the back.
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A some .2 inches ago in Grand Rapids, my state, the president
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was supposed to do my nomination and at 8:30 in the morning
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backed out on the morning of the denominations and my, my nice
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little Christian like wife went off.
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And I mean, you know, she, she uttered syllables I've never
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heard come out of her mouth. But that's the politics of the
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union. And and that's, that's the
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problem with our union. These people are more concerned
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about keeping their positions and not carrying our routes at
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our state level. We have it because of the fact
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that I've heard people say, oh, I don't understand why this
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person gets to go do orientations or, you know, do
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all the training. The Orient, what do you call it?
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What's the other one they do? Personality Seminar.
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No, no, the, the job, they have job fairs and yeah, they're
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concerned. They're more concerned about
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getting off their route than doing their job.
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Earlier there was a discussion about somebody in regards to,
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you know, the end of shifties, the red line and all that.
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And here, here's an ADR getting the wrong answers now in
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settling for language. Again, settling for language.
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If you have a vowed grievance, it should be settled or seize
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and dismiss and assist immediately and then attach a
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financial penalty that you know accumulates progressively for
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each, you know, instance after that date.
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But no, they settle for the languages like that does nothing
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but encumber management to say, well, we can do this again and
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get away with it because we're going to get slapped on the
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wrist. I digress.
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Thursdays, you know, it's more convention business.
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You get to the end of Thursday that it's caucus night, which is
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a foot race from, you know, room to room for different caucuses
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that have either singular states or groups of states in there.
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And you get to the pitch your ideas of where you want to lead
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the union, you know where the union has to concentrate and
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focus their efforts in regards to helping protect, educate and
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and promote the rule craft. It's a, it's a marathon.
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It really is folks. And depending on how many rooms
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they break it up, how many caucus rooms they break it into
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it, it can go well until 11 O clock at night.
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And when it's done, I mean, you're exhausted.
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Friday morning is more well, you may be able to get into the
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resolutions Thursday afternoon and then Friday morning and
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they'll they'll have for any more nominations for the the
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offices. And then, you know, they'll
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start with the presidential election.
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You know, the teller beads collects the ballots, get it out
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counsel, bring it back and announces the winner.
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And you know, then they get get up there for the vice president
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and so on down down the board and in between those sessions,
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while tellers beads out with the ballots, they're doing more
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resolutions in, in regards to what's accepted as binding and
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non binding. It it's a pretty filled
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atmosphere from, you know, I would say Tuesday on, especially
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if Tuesday, if they get the resolutions to us.
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A lot of the times that people say, oh, it looks like a party.
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The only time we ever partied was after caucus night because
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everything's said and done. You've made your cases as
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pointingly as possible to the, the, the body that's there.
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And unfortunately, most of the body that attends these national
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conventions until we get it changed is and are people who
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are affiliated with the national board, whether they be, you
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know, state officers who've been on, you know, the committees who
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get it brought, brought into Alexandria, Washington, DC to do
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their seminars there. Whether it's full time NSS
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employees who who mostly are required to be there.
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But you know, fortunately, we can control how many NSS
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employees go by voting for those people when delegate forms come
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out in the spring. And and please, you know, don't
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think that I don't support the NSSI.
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Do I just don't support individual in the NSS.
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And I don't think the NSS could be a house entity in Alexandria.
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The NSS could be run from whoever you know is the director
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of the NSS, the director of super steward operations that
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could be run from their own home stage, just like an executive
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committee person. The fact of the matter is that
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these people all owe their allegiance and they're paid
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substantial paychecks to the National Board because the
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National Board is the ones who created this lopsided pay scale
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for NSS employees. And they're, they're going to
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owe their loyalty to the national award as long as that's
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written into the constitution in regards to their renumeration
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and bag Friday, after the elections are are done, all said
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and done, we can continue with the resolutions and they can,
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depending on, you know, the facility and the requirements to
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clear the hall. You can go late, especially if
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the election gets dragged on for multiple phases in regards to
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how many times you have to elect the committee person or not.
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And then those are the positions.
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Usually they have three to four people running for that
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position. This year we only have one
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executive committee position games.
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Is that true? So far we have just Natasha
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Patterson is the only person currently nominated at the
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regional conferences for the executive committee bin
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position. There's nobody from the from the
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national board that is running. It is Jeanette Dwyer's seat this
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year. She hasn't announced that she's
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doing anything or running for any position.
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And so right now, as it stands before we get to National
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Convention, the Executive Committeeman 4 year position is
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currently unopposed. OK, well, so yeah, we're, we're,
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we're we're in that situation where, yeah, it, it might be a
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slam dunk in regards to getting through the elections in a
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fairly quick pace. And then after, you know, after
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Friday, the close of business Friday, most people are are
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smart enough to, you know, stay over till Saturday morning.
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Trying to get out of there and get to the airport on a Friday
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night and get home in a timely fashion is not reasonable.
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So I'll be leaving Saturday morning too.
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But you know, that's the gist of the convention.
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There's there's a lot of politics involved and you know,
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in regards to, you know, who's running and and who's who's
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supporting all that. And we saw that at the last
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Grand Rapids because of the fact that third people dropped out in
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the middle of an executive committee position because they
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wanted another individual who's most likely able to win.
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It's garner their votes that they would have taken away from
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that person. And then they turned around and
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jumped into the race on the next round.
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So, you know, it's all political folks.
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They're I can say without any question, at least 50% of our
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national award is there for their own interests, not for
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ours. You know, and just as this name,
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oh God, for daily, you know, spent 20 plus years as our
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secretary treasurer. I expect the same thing to
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happen with Tommy Turner because it's a neutral position and, you
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know, as long as he doesn't do anything, you know, too shady or
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allow members of the board or the, you know, the national
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board themselves, you know, to go outside their rights in
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expensing things. You know, nobody will ever
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question it and nobody will ever challenge it.
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I'm, I've always been amazed at with 50 states that we don't
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have more people running for these positions.
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And people say, well, you know, they got to work their way up
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the ladder together. These people have been in the,
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in the damn union 20-30 years. So what ladder do they have to
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work up that, you know, the national board ladder?
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Does that mean that they're, you know, they're confident in the
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upper state that they can't do national?
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Well, I, I can say that the same thing about Don Madison, but you
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know, I, I would, yeah, I have to say that I would compare Don
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Adam and Gavin Newsom in regards to running the state.
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Neither one are confident. So, yeah, that's my personal
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opinion. That's, that's the gist of the
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conventions. It it's, it's exciting, it's
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intriguing, it's boring. It it's, you know, it, it's a
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whole soap opera And I, I wish that we would ever get to the
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point where we would have. One number one vote in our
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Constitution because that would just destroy national boards
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whole. And I mean, you know, it's a
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chokehold on our craft. Well, that's my this will be my
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third National Convention. I'm going to tell any first
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timers listening, please go to the First timers seminar.
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You're going to hear possibly from Mr. Jim Slaughter, who is a
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resident of parliamentarian. He's going to give you a handout
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on how to ask a question, how to call the question, how to make
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an inquiry. Because while we as the body
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would like to recognize you, if you have a question, you have to
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say it properly. So if I get up to the microphone
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and I want to make a point, I have to say my name.
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So delegate North Carolina, then you have to wait to be
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recognized by the chairperson and then you can have your point
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of information, point of personal privilege, a question,
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call the question, whatever. I hope it this one because last
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time, I think last time James and Bill, correct me if I'm
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wrong, they were in Florida. They had the new vehicle.
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I would love to see that. It like Bill said, y'all it's
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you see pictures online, people have them drink.
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This is at the Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando.
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There's a big pool. You may see people hanging out
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by the pool. They need that drink because it
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is a whirlwind. Basically from Tuesday like Bill
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said until Friday night, you're going non-stop and you barely
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have enough time to eat breakfast in the morning, go
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into session and depending on your state, they're watching
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you. I want to make this point of
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information. They're watching you make sure
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that you attend everything. We had something to chat that
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asked if they should go to caucus night.
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Depending on your state, they're going to make sure you go to
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everything. And they have the authority, at
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least in my state of North Carolina, to dock your delegate
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pay as you're a paid delegate if you don't attend so much of the
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convention. So keep that in mind.
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You may be tempted to sneak off and go to the bar and get a
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drink and play hooky from the from the proceedings, but your
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delegate, larger secretary, treasurer or a member of your
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state board may be out there watching it.
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So it's, it's fun, it's boring, it's pompous circumstance.
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It's the business of the union. I hope to meet a lot of you.
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There. Just listen to this voice.
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But it's a great time and just think of it like this.
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If you're a paid delegate and you're voting on these
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resolutions and voting for president and vice president all
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on down the line, the math indicates that your vote
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represents the views and opinions, the hopes and dreams
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of roughly 100 rural carrier in most cases.
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So keep that in mind when you're making your decisions, James.
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I agree with everything you guys have said on here.
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I just want to, well, I disagree with a little bit of what Bill
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said, but that's okay. We have the right to disagree.
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Fuck. You.
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But. The big thing, like Josh said,
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come whether you are a delegate or an alternate delegate.
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Even if you're not a delegate, if you're just a member, you can
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attend National Convention and you should.
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And the reason why you want to attend as a delegate, you are
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the voice of the voiceless. You are the voice of the
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carriers who can't come to National Convention, whether
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it's because they're they can't hire enough relief carriers
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because of POV routes and the Rcas can't afford to buy a car,
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let alone maintain one at the wages that we pay.
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Or could be no Rcas because you have a toxic and hostile
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manager. So the carriers can't attend
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National Convention. So you're speaking on behalf of
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those who can't speak at National Convention.
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If you're an alternate delegate, it's important you attend too,
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because guess what? You are the backup to the the
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delegate, and you should attend everything as well.
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Because guess what? There's a possibility you could
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be moved up to delegate and you better know what's going on when
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you get up there. Otherwise you're going to be
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left behind scrambling to figure it all out.
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But the good news is, is there are people who get together to
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go through resolutions, to talk about what's going on, to figure
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out whether to support or object to resolutions.
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And our good friend Wild Bill does put on a resolutions
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committee for delegates. And they go through the
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delegate, all the resolutions in a room until they get through
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them all. And there could be 11 o'clock
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12:00, one o'clock 2:00 in the morning.
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But they get through all the resolutions in one night.
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You know, big things happen at National Convention.
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Bill was talking about the pomp and circumstance at the
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beginning of National Convention.
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Unfortunately, part of the cost savings for National Convention
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comes with those people who speak on Tuesday.
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Other than the Postmaster General, our president and a few
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of the people we have, like our legal team, APCUCVS, Aetna and
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all those other advertisers that also have tables, they're paying
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to be there. They're paying to advertise
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there, and that's supporting our National Convention.
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So they have to be able to advertise on Tuesday.
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Speaking of tables, there will be a room where there will be
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tables. Not only will you have your
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candidates for national office in the room, you'll also have
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sales tables like PJ signs where I get my shirts to say United
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States Postal Service, rural carrier.
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I either get them there or I get them from my pack table.
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Who buys them from him or cool dad Ass was there last year
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right across from my table. They were actually set up right
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there. They also had a table set up for
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the Insignia store for the NRLCA.
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But that's another thing. You should visit the tables of
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the people who are there to support or run for office.
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And that helps our National Convention as well because the
27:18
people that are selling stuff there, they paid for those
27:22
tables and that supports National Convention convention.
27:25
You know, when we pay for the banquets and we pay for, you
27:30
know, other stuff at National Convention that supports the
27:33
convention. But also don't be afraid to step
27:38
up to the mic. It may be your first time, but
27:40
guess what? There are people that have 1520
27:43
years of experience of going to National Convention that still
27:47
make mistakes on the mic. So don't be afraid to make a
27:51
mistake. I make plenty of mistakes.
27:54
I get called out for them all the time.
27:56
It's OK, I'm used to them. I actually acknowledge my
28:01
mistakes because I'm only human. But they'll definitely try and
28:05
throw it down my throat. But don't be afraid.
28:09
But James, if you don't make a mistake, that means you're not
28:13
making effort. It's easy to go through like not
28:16
attempting something and not making mistakes and
28:20
accomplishing nothing. The effort itself is worthwhile
28:23
and praiseworthy. OK, yes, and yes, you are right
28:27
in regards to the people that they turn around and they do
28:30
support, you know, through their payments and all for
28:33
sponsorship. But it's like watching a a a a
28:36
movie. OK, I don't need 18 commercials
28:39
in between, you know, the the movie breaks.
28:42
OK, I don't need A-40 minute dissertation from NARF.
28:48
I, I need, you know, clear, concise, let's get to the
28:52
business of the convention. That's what I want.
28:55
And, you know, look, if I'm going to hear from the
28:57
postmaster general, OK, I don't need to hear from a local, you
29:01
know, district manager at, at ASEC also, because you know,
29:06
they're, they're, you know, they're, they're hand in hand
29:09
with their policies. So I, I don't want to hear any
29:12
more gratuitous bullshit from somebody who's sitting there
29:16
violating the contract day in and day out with messages to
29:19
their postmasters and managers, supervisors in regards to how to
29:24
belittle the crap that are under them.
29:27
You know, if you want to put the postmaster down out there, fine.
29:30
I don't need to hear from anybody else, you know, from the
29:32
post office. We all know what really goes on
29:35
every day in our post offices, and that's easy.
29:39
Yeah. And somebody said this, you
29:41
know, as an alternate delegate, can you actually stand to speak?
29:45
You need to be to suspend the rules to allow an alternate to
29:51
speak. Now I actually have experience
29:53
with that because at my state convention I had Bridget Boziak
29:59
suspend the rules for me to present a resolution at state
30:03
convention. So it is possible.
30:07
At National, it's a little harder to get a 2/3 vote to
30:10
suspend the rules than it is at a state convention, but it is
30:14
possible. And don't be disheartened if
30:18
they say no. It happens.
30:20
But when they say yes, Oh yeah, it's great.
30:23
It's a great feeling to be recognized, even as an alternate
30:27
delegate to be able to speak. And yes, it does go long
30:31
sometimes. However, there are time limits
30:34
on things they do. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
30:38
they try to set time limit of closing business at normal
30:43
business hours so that way we can get to other things like
30:47
seminars or the banquet. But Friday it goes until it's
30:52
done. And it's the same with caucus
30:55
night. What did we get done at like,
30:58
what, 1:00 in the morning last year, Bill?
31:01
Oh God, yeah, yeah. You know, but there were so many
31:05
candidates that they actually had to have us have rest breaks
31:10
in between caucus rooms so that everybody had a chance to go to
31:15
all the caucus rooms. But yes, it is a very long, very
31:20
tedious process. But it is worthwhile to fight
31:25
for this craft. It's worthwhile to take those
31:28
steps and we are getting to that point of getting close to
31:35
National Convention, so we wanted to let you guys know what
31:38
you could expect. Bill, you have anything else you
31:40
want to add about National Convention?
31:43
It's a it's a huge learning curve.
31:46
I had a first timer attend our Pennsylvania convention with N
31:50
this year and was just amazed at everything that transpires
31:55
during convention itself. This is 10 times as much just
32:01
because of the amount of people there.
32:02
You know, there's there's for us.
32:05
It is 10 times as many people go to the Pennsylvania State
32:07
convention. You will run into people who
32:12
have different points of views and I would suggest if you do
32:15
address it cordially lightly in in regards to 11 human being to
32:21
another and if they disagree, explain you're welcome to
32:25
disagree. I don't feel that way.
32:27
I don't believe that, you know, this contract was in our best
32:31
interest. I don't believe that they're,
32:33
they have, you know, the carriers in mind when they
32:37
present these articles for consideration.
32:40
The inclusion of the contract disagreed politely.
32:43
OK, I I've never seen a fight break out at the National
32:48
Convention. You know, I'd like to start one,
32:51
but the fact of the matter is I've never seen one because most
32:53
people either, you know, will walk away from you or argue with
32:57
you or they'll discuss it with you.
32:59
But there's a certain decorum that you have to maintain in
33:03
spite of how you personally feel about that individual.
33:06
And I'm pretty sure you all know how I feel about about Don
33:10
Madison. But I will afford him all the
33:12
courtesies of the office of president.
33:15
I can respect the office of president.
33:17
I don't have to respect the man. And I don't though, you know,
33:21
hopefully, you know, if somebody actually, we actually get this,
33:25
you know, episode out on air, you know, I'm I don't like you,
33:30
you know, period. I don't think you're concerned
33:33
with the craft. I don't think you're concerned
33:35
with the future because you're retiring soon.
33:38
And you know, that's not the way.
33:40
You, you, you don't take the golden parachute for a year.
33:43
Just see cruising to retirement. You, you, you are in a position
33:47
as a service and you should be fighting for 24 hours a day
33:51
every day. Oh, we do all this work.
33:54
We do, you know, after the stuff you do is travel.
33:57
OK, I'm sorry. That's the inconvenience for
33:59
you, but this is the position you signed up for.
34:03
So do the best job possible, you know, and and don't give us this
34:09
glad hand language that you have.
34:11
You know, that that almost mirrored what the jury said last
34:14
year. I I couldn't believe that you
34:16
guys almost, you know, sat down next to each other, wrote your
34:19
feet without saying, oh, put this in, put that in it.
34:22
It was just such a slap in my face.
34:24
I just, like I said, you know, let's have a cage match after
34:30
banquet. How about that?
34:33
OK, Josh, no, we've gone past that political speech.
34:36
Go ahead. I want a commitment from you
34:41
James, from you Bill and from me, one of us.
34:46
We'll take a moment of personal privilege to thank the non paid
34:51
deli, the non paid guests and ultimate delegates that are in
34:56
the audience because I think we need to show our appreciation
35:00
for people that are willing to come on their own time and learn
35:07
this. I think your suggestion is going
35:09
to be taken up by the National board since they listen to this.
35:12
Hello, Don. You're welcome.
35:14
You can have that one. I'm not.
35:16
Going to mention somebody who's going to be a Sergeant at Arms
35:20
like I told that old lady a couple years ago.
35:24
It in my way and it's going to be a bad night for you.
35:28
I'm kidding. Well before I was so rudely
35:32
interrupted. Jesus, I said.
35:35
Excuse me, go ahead. Sorry, Sir.
35:38
That's all right. May culpa.
35:41
May culpa. Wow, interesting with the last
35:45
name. This is the.
35:49
This is game time, y'all. This is where the business of
35:52
the union is conducted. This is where we take what we
35:57
want our contract to be and put it up to the members to vote to
36:01
make changes, to accept it as on the face of it or to flat out
36:06
deny it. Now, I don't know how to say
36:11
this, but we have to put our best effort forward to make sure
36:18
that what could go into our next contract is to our best
36:21
interest. We don't, we don't have the
36:23
luxury of thinking about just the one person that wrote that
36:26
resolution. I mean, there was a resolution
36:30
last year that I remember that no carrier be allowed to deliver
36:32
after dark. OK, well, what about Alaska?
36:36
They deliver in the dark. So while it's good in theory, it
36:41
may not work for everybody. But as they said, this is where
36:47
views are different. We all want better, but
36:51
everybody has a different way of getting there.
36:55
For people in Texas, it's going to be different than for people
36:57
up in Minnesota. But all I ask is that we not
37:02
have a repeat in James's ability to jump in on this.
37:05
I do not want to have someone come up to the microphone or the
37:10
chair, have to address the the body, to chastise someone, bad
37:17
mouthing someone in the body. To me, that is counterintuitive
37:24
to our mission. We need to be professionals out
37:28
there because the fact that it had to be done three times to me
37:35
is sickening. I'm not.
37:39
One time is. I'm not.
37:40
I'm not. I Yeah, one time is too many.
37:43
And like your mom told you what you should have learned in
37:47
preschool, kindergarten, if you ain't got nothing to say, keep
37:52
your damn mouth shut. Oh, wait.
37:56
Well, that was right. Every politician.
37:57
I digress, but I hope to see all of y'all there.
38:04
Just listen for the raspy North Carolina voice.
38:09
But it's gonna be fun. We're gonna, you're gonna be a
38:12
lot country, gonna make new friends.
38:16
But just be ready. Don't have the Rose colored
38:20
glasses on. Think I'm just gonna have a good
38:22
old time and I'm gonna have a lot of free time.
38:24
You ain't. You're gonna be working hard.
38:27
And I dare say when you're sitting in there, especially
38:30
during elections, I would much rather be running my route even
38:35
as hot as hell as it is here in North Carolina.
38:37
Especially when you're going till 10:00 at night.
38:41
Like someone said that it is more mental worth than doing a
38:45
route. Yes that's it right there.
38:48
Preach it girl, preach it. So I'm fading, but that's that's
38:53
all I. Got.
38:56
That's OK, so. To follow up on it and to follow
38:59
up on this comment about the attacks on the floor and and I
39:03
was surprised that the Palmitarian did not actually
39:07
held on, you know, about the same rules in regards to that,
39:11
but just sat there like a lump through all three attacks.
39:15
I mean, you know that that should have been considered to
39:18
be out of order from the did go. And you know when you can't
39:23
command a room to follow your orders as a chair in regards to
39:28
treating people respectfully and everything, and you know there's
39:31
something wrong with your ability to lead because they
39:34
attacked and then attacked again.
39:37
So, you know, I hate to tell you, but you know that that was
39:42
a sign of your lack of leadership.
39:44
It also shows that in my view, the person that did that attack,
39:50
they're safe to take a measure and probably, I don't know,
39:54
maybe not outright eliminate, but maybe doctor, delegate, pay
40:00
an appropriate amount. Oh, here I go with something
40:03
new. But I mean, like I said, we're
40:06
adults, allegedly. Supposedly.
40:10
Act like it, supposedly, Hopefully.
40:14
I couldn't believe that in an environment where we are trying
40:19
to unite the craft and fight for the craft, that people could not
40:27
contain their vitriol. Instead of trying to work to
40:33
better everything for the rural craft, they would rather do
40:39
attacks on individuals or comments on individuals instead
40:45
of focusing on on why they are there in the 1st place.
40:49
And I'm going to I'm going to say this.
40:53
The individuals who were commented on at the mikes for
40:59
their toxic and hostile comments were all elected delegates.
41:07
They were not alternates. They were non not non delegates.
41:12
They were all elected delegates. It took some digging, but I
41:17
found each individual who was involved in that.
41:21
I know who they are, but that is up to their state to take care
41:27
of that issue. It's could be brought up by the
41:31
chair, but ultimately, because they are state delegates,
41:36
they're the delegates for the state.
41:38
It is supposed to be taken care of by the delegate at large.
41:43
I know that a lot of people find me controversial because I
41:47
haven't gone up the chain, started at local, then state and
41:51
then up to national. But what I do have is a care for
41:55
the craft and that is why the first person to actually make a
41:59
comment that night was me, because I was told by a
42:04
alternate delegate that they were spoken to in a negative way
42:10
by a delegate. And then we have a delegate step
42:13
up to the mic and tell the chair that it needs to stop also
42:19
because that delegate was attacked by a delegate verbally.
42:24
And then the chair got notified by another person that a
42:29
delegate had made a negative comment as well to where the
42:33
chair had to make a comment on stage 3 instances within two
42:39
days. So if you're going to make
42:41
comments, make them at the mic. Make your difference.
42:45
Be on the record. Be on the record.
42:48
Don't hide behind anonymous names or anonymous comments.
42:53
Be an adult and put your name behind it.
42:56
Show some gumption. Because there are first timers
42:59
that'll go up there and put their name behind their
43:01
comments. Why can't you?
43:04
Anyway, now we have an announcement to make, don't we
43:08
guys? Yes, we do.
43:10
Bill, you want to. Nobody told me, but what?
43:14
What? What?
43:18
Yeah. I feel like I'm in Antarctica.
43:20
You guys have an announcement to make and I don't know about it.
43:23
You do know? About it you do.
43:25
Know about it. You were the first one that was
43:26
talked to about it. Give me a hint.
43:32
It was an agreement between the three of us on this.
43:36
Our future. Yes, we're making here.
43:39
Yes, we are making an announcement that this will be
43:44
our last episode through National Convention.
43:48
Oh. God, OK, God, I thought you were
43:50
coming up with something new. Yeah, no, but we talked about
43:54
what we were going to do last week before we had no recorders.
43:58
So we stuck around for another week with everybody gearing up
44:03
for National Convention and getting everything together.
44:06
Bill having to get all his stuff together, get deal with all the
44:11
issues he's dealing with with carriers, me dealing with all
44:15
the setup and preparing for running for office and Josh
44:19
agreeing with us as well that he has to get ready for National
44:23
Convention as well and set himself up for that.
44:25
We decided that we are not going to produce any more episodes
44:30
until after National Convention. We can.
44:33
We will still be available on social media in the Discord
44:38
server and I'll be available on Facebook.
44:41
I'm sure Bill will too and Josh as well.
44:44
But we will not be taking the time to record episodes until
44:49
after National Convention. Go ahead, Josh.
44:53
You want to talk on this? I'll let you do the talking.
44:58
OK, Bill you. Don't talk.
45:00
Yeah, yeah, OK. I mean, but but the thing the
45:03
thing of it is that there there's a lot that goes into
45:07
getting ready for this. Ames has to prep, you know,
45:11
especially hard because of the fact that, you know, he's facing
45:15
an uphill battle with the status quo.
45:17
And I I suggested that we do it up to the week of, but with
45:23
James laying out his scheduling it, it wasn't advantageous for
45:27
him to participate. And I said, look, you know, I'll
45:31
do whatever I have to, to support you.
45:33
And I says, and Josh is willing to, I said we can make it
45:36
unanimous. I said, you know, I'm more
45:39
considered, I, I'm more in favor of James being as well prepared
45:43
as he possibly can be. And he has a lot more, you know,
45:47
to, to get ready for, in regards to, you know, his table, people
45:51
manning it, his caucus night, his speech, his acceptance
45:55
speech, you know, for, for the nomination, his acceptance
45:58
speech as a new president of the NRLCA.
46:03
It it, it's, it's a bit much and you know, I, I wish I'd have
46:07
done that probably one or two times.
46:09
But the fact of the matter that I can, you know, do fly better
46:14
than James can where he prepares to be more, you know, prepared
46:18
it. It's understandable that, you
46:19
know, we discontinue this until the national convention's over.
46:24
I mean that the Sunday most, most of you guys are getting in
46:27
there Sunday, aren't you? I'm getting in Saturday.
46:30
I figured out if Saturday and Sunday or Monday.
46:34
At this point I'm still figuring that out.
46:36
Well, I, I see me AL's comment there, you know, I, I tell you
46:40
what, OK, and, and James and I haven't discussed this, but as
46:45
much as a controversial figure as he is, I'm a bit more
46:49
galvanizing and polarizing as far as being a controversial
46:53
person. So, you know, I will discuss
46:56
with James as far as how far he wants me to get involved in the
47:00
convention itself in regards to his support.
47:03
I mean, I'll be there to support him, but do you really want the,
47:08
you know, the say tongue and Putin, you know, going to battle
47:13
together because, you know, nobody likes either one of them.
47:16
But that's the discussion that James and I will have to be
47:20
having in the future here because I don't want to affect
47:23
his tendency any negative fashion.
47:26
And some people do see me as that.
47:28
So we'll have that discussion later.
47:30
Well, the good news is I already have my nominator and it's not
47:34
Bill. Yep.
47:37
And so now I'm working on people to help at my table and people
47:43
to walk with me on caucus night. You know, that's a big thing and
47:49
getting everything organized for this.
47:52
You know, I'm not a big early planner, but this is such a
47:57
pivotal moment for this union that I believe I need to prepare
48:01
every single option that can happen, every single question
48:07
that can be asked at caucus. I have to prepare everything
48:11
together before that. And it's not easy.
48:16
It's not easy to step up there with absolutely no clue how
48:23
everything works and do a three day campaign and still get
48:28
almost a third of the votes. Well, 1/4 of the votes and then
48:34
the next year learning as much as you can for the the year and
48:39
expanding your your knowledge base.
48:43
Then turning around and also helping carriers left and right.
48:47
But The thing is, is I have been an advocate of this union and
48:52
getting people involved, getting people stepping up as stewards
48:56
stepping up and doing things for the craft.
48:59
So much so that now I am asking carriers to up for me and.
49:05
Y'all. Oh, it's him.
49:07
Thanks, Josh, But I know that caucus night walking, caucus
49:15
night is a lot of walking. You'll get your steps in for
49:17
sure, but if you choose to support, then talk with your
49:22
delegate at large and let them know that you will be walking
49:25
with a candidate for caucus. So that way they can mark you
49:30
down as you are there. And guess what?
49:33
When you go into their caucus room, they're going to see you
49:35
walking in the caucus. So they know you've been
49:37
attending caucus and seeing what's going on.
49:40
Other than that, if you want to help support out, just send me a
49:44
message on my Facebook page. Other than that, you know, we're
49:49
going to say good night to everybody here until after
49:53
National Convention and then we'll pick it back up and tell
49:56
you what's going on. After National Convention, I
50:00
believe Frequency, you'll be doing the live streaming of the
50:06
conversations going on like last year.
50:08
Hopefully we'll get a couple more people that'll step up and
50:11
help, even though Frequency was great at it last year.
50:15
But until then, what's your final thoughts, Josh?
50:19
We're about to enter the Thunderdome with the convention.
50:24
It's going to be fun. It's going to be pomp and
50:28
circumstance. It's going to be boring.
50:30
It's going to be a requirement of you to be involved.
50:36
If you know a delegate that is going and you're not going,
50:42
please encourage them and let them know that what they're
50:45
about to do, they represent the views, opinions and strategies
50:50
to use your terms. James of 100 carriers.
50:54
OK. To those of you that are going,
50:57
remember it's not all about you. It's about the craft.
51:02
We want to represent the craft. I hope to meet all all of you
51:08
there. Just look for the dorky looking
51:10
guy from North Carolina. But like I said at the opening,
51:17
it's hot hot as hell. We had a heat index near where I
51:22
am in North Carolina of 110 this year this week and it feels like
51:29
a year as long as this summer's been.
51:31
People are dying in this heat. It's 9:00 at night.
51:34
If y'all haven't started hydrating by now, good luck
51:39
tomorrow. Start hydrating 12 hours before
51:42
you go into work. I don't want to hear one more
51:46
report of a city or a rural carrier or hell even one of our
51:52
supposed competitors Amazon, FedEx, DHL, UPSI don't want to
51:58
hear of anybody getting sick and or dying in this heat.
52:02
I haven't seen it this bad this long for a long time.
52:07
This is an exceptional summer so be safe if y'all are going to
52:12
convention. Safe travels.
52:16
Good luck, I hope to see you there and just remember you are
52:21
the most important delivery at the end of the day.
52:24
Get home to your family safe and sound.
52:26
Yes, Bill, I stole your line again.
52:30
You break Thief, thief, thief. Well, I, you know, I, I want to
52:41
put it on record that I'm exceptionally proud of James in
52:44
regards to his social media platforms that he's maintained
52:48
and put information out there for the irregular carriers.
52:52
And that's the type of leadership that we should be
52:55
seeking. Constant communication in
52:58
regards to what's going on with your route adjustments, whether
53:03
it's, you know, anything going on in the office of being forced
53:08
to take pieces of vacant routes, people taking your vehicle
53:12
without your permission. It, it's one of those things
53:16
that, you know, I, I'm not exceptionally well at, you know,
53:20
with, with the social media. I, I'm a, you know, questions
53:24
and answers type person. You give me a question, I'll
53:27
give you the answer. You know, I, I get phone calls,
53:29
texts, IMS and everything all week long.
53:32
I'm, I'm surprised how much interaction I have with people
53:36
across the country, not just, you know, Mike, SD and C or
53:40
state, but across the country. And, you know, I'm happy to help
53:45
them. You know, that's part of the
53:47
problem with our national board. These are positions of service
53:52
and, and you're not there to make your retirement, you know,
53:55
had your retirement. You're not there, you know,
53:58
because you like the authority and the control and everything.
54:01
You're there for the betterment of every person underneath you
54:05
in the craft, and that includes the non union members.
54:09
It's like in my office, I said, if they attack a non union
54:12
member, how long before they come after a union member for
54:15
the same offense? So you have to stand up for each
54:19
and every individual in the craft.
54:22
And I'm glad to say that James is of enough integrity that when
54:27
he makes a mistake, he admits it And and and, you know, thanks a
54:30
person for bringing it to his, you know, knowledge that, you
54:33
know, he made a you don't hear that from our board.
54:37
You don't hear them apologizing for carriers having to pay money
54:41
back after the last last mini mail survey when they were
54:45
overpaid. But they they were never
54:48
overpaid when their routes were over evaluation over A48K.
54:53
And for the national board to unanimously agree that that was
54:57
the best option out of three that the post office gave them,
55:00
it gives me slight concern that these people carry about us at
55:05
all. If they gave you three options
55:07
and they all suck, you should have told them blow it out your
55:10
ass. And, and I'm telling you, if I
55:13
was president, I would say that exactly you can blow this out
55:17
your ass. This is not in the best interest
55:20
of our craft. You screwed up, OK?
55:24
The engineers screwed up. You knew this was coming along
55:27
and you did it anyway. So unless you want to turn
55:31
around and pay every person over A48K for all the hours they've
55:36
been working, like like I did for six years until I retired
55:40
and shut the hell up because you're coming after us for
55:43
nickels and Dimes, but we've been saving you millions.
55:47
Like I said, James, I'm, I'm proud of you in regards to you
55:50
reaching out, educating, informing people.
55:53
And you know, I, I pray that we get this changed this year
55:57
because after this contract, as I'm sitting in my caucus room
56:02
and Don Madsen and and you know, Patrick Pitts and Adams and
56:06
Mickey as they come through the rooms, guess what I'm going to
56:11
ask him. Don, in this magazine, you said
56:15
you were looking for substantial wage increases.
56:19
You were looking for the elimination of Table 2.
56:22
How did you fall so short of those goals that we were
56:27
seeking? And how dare you stand up here
56:30
and go run for re election on the basis that you failed to
56:34
perform and provide what you said you stood for.
56:38
I want some and accountability. I, I, you know, I, I amazed,
56:44
like, like I said, you know, people, you can't call them
56:47
sheep. Well, if you're not sheep, then
56:50
you're parasites, you know, and you're just attached to the fish
56:53
taking you for the swim because that's the way you're going to
56:57
make your mark in, in this union being a long term Dr. or ADR or,
57:03
you know, you know, as as executive committee person,
57:07
whatever. I'm sorry if you don't want to
57:10
work the long hours, OK, If you don't want to travel, if you
57:14
don't want to address the issues that affect us every day.
57:18
And that's the biggest problem. The everyday issues is what's
57:21
corroding the craft. And yet I don't hear anything
57:27
from the national board in regard to addressing these
57:30
issues. How many step fours do we have
57:32
sitting at arbitration? It could improve the life of the
57:36
craft. How many decisions do AD, Rs and
57:40
DRS make when they settle for language instead of going after
57:43
these bastards? I want better leadership.
57:47
I want directed leadership, informative leadership,
57:51
commutative leadership. I want somebody there who knows
57:55
the daily trials and tribulations that you all go
57:57
through. And that's not one person on
57:59
that board, except maybe John Adams, who recently moved up to
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his position. Ladies and gentlemen, you know I
58:06
can go on. I'll keep it short and shorten
58:09
it now. I believe in the craft.
58:12
I I'm just disillusioned by the board and I hope we get the
58:15
opportunity. We do have the opportunity this
58:19
year to change it, change it for the better.
58:21
But you rely on the other people with their experience to help
58:24
guide you and tutor you. You have an entire support staff
58:28
in Alexandria, VA to assist you. We've been there for years and
58:34
can help you tremendously. In regards to what who have to
58:39
do on a day-to-day basis, who you meet with, where you have to
58:41
be and everything else. But the fact of the matter is if
58:45
you don't put the hours in, you're not going to get the
58:49
results. And if you're not going to put
58:51
the hours in, get the hell out of the position.
58:53
Service does not mean you get rich off of it.
58:57
Service means you're of value to each and every member of our
59:03
craft. Josh says it's going to be hot
59:05
again, sticky, sweaty. Start hydrating tonight.
59:10
Don't wait till tomorrow. Salt, electrolytes, whatever you
59:13
need to do. Your brakes get out of that
59:16
vehicle, find some shade. If they have any problems with
59:19
you having undocumented stationary events and you know,
59:23
explain to them, you know, your messages tell us that, that, you
59:26
know, you gather the vehicle and and you know, prevent heat
59:29
stroke or reheat prostration. But the fact of the matter is,
59:32
you're the first one responsible for your own safety, and nobody
59:36
in management can contest that. Go out there, do your jobs
59:39
professionally, proficiently, efficiently.
59:43
Be safe. You know, I, I can't emphasize
59:47
that enough. Be safe, be smart, and take care
59:50
of yourselves. Who are the most important
59:52
delivery of the day? Get home to your loved ones
59:55
because they'll miss you. Post Office will.
59:59
They'll have you, God bless you all within a day.
1:00:02
James. Thank you guys.
1:00:04
I really appreciate you guys coming on to do this and I
1:00:07
appreciate you guys giving me the opportunity to step back and
1:00:11
work on my campaign on its own. You know, we are at the pivotal
1:00:16
point of this union. The comments that carriers are
1:00:19
making today are the exact same comments they were making in the
1:00:25
late 1960s. Word for word.
1:00:30
And yet the people who have been around since that time frame,
1:00:37
been alive since that time frame, don't recognize the
1:00:42
history there. And history is important.
1:00:46
Our history as not only an organization, one of the oldest
1:00:53
organizations in the United States, as well as our craft and
1:01:00
union. History matters, and those that
1:01:04
choose to ignore history tend to repeat it, and they are
1:01:09
repeating it right now. We have an opportunity to make a
1:01:13
difference every single day. It doesn't have to be a single
1:01:18
person at the top of the organization.
1:01:21
It can be each and every one of us on the workroom floor.
1:01:25
I know when I'm done being president, I will be going back
1:01:29
down onto the workroom floor. I will be going back to work her
1:01:33
out because that is what you are supposed to do when you are in
1:01:38
one of these service positions. I'm a carrier.
1:01:41
I will be a carrier because that's what we do.
1:01:45
Carriers are the only people in this organization I care about.
1:01:51
I can have interests in taking care of good management.
1:01:56
I can have interest in making sure things run smoothly for the
1:02:01
organization. But my love for the royal
1:02:04
carrier shines through it all. Take care of your brothers and
1:02:07
sisters out there of this craft. As both guys said, it's going to
1:02:12
be hot. There's going to be storms.
1:02:14
We just had our 30th tornado in the state of Michigan yesterday
1:02:22
and it's not going to stop. We've had tornadoes in Michigan
1:02:26
in December, so flooding, another big concern we've had
1:02:32
out there. Now I want to take a moment of
1:02:36
personal privilege. One of our listeners in our chat
1:02:40
stated one of her fellow rural carriers is battling cancer.
1:02:46
So I'm going to take a moment and say a prayer for her and
1:02:49
hopefully that she beats that cancer.
1:02:53
But we've got to do something for each other.
1:02:56
Reaching out to your brother or sister carrier and helping them,
1:03:00
giving guidance, things like that.
1:03:02
Just do anything to help your brother or sister out, even if
1:03:07
it's just lending them an ear. Well, they vent about the same
1:03:10
thing you've heard about 300 times because at the end of the
1:03:14
day, we're all in this together. Good night everybody.
1:03:18
Good night and good luck.