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SMNTY Classics: Sister Act · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I want your stuff.
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Speaker 2: Never Told You Protection by her radio. Today we are
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Speaker 2: bringing back a classic in the midst of our discussion
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Speaker 2: of religious Horror, which if you're listening to this as
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Speaker 2: it comes out, we have two parts of I thought
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Speaker 2: we should bring back Sister Act, you know, as a
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Speaker 2: classic feminist movie Friday we did. I honestly think that
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Speaker 2: the Religious Horror episode we didn't even get into, Like
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Speaker 2: we kind of touched on it, but we didn't really
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Speaker 2: get into kind of the popular culture view on nuns
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Speaker 2: and priest and perhaps the sexualization of them are the
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Speaker 2: con twist of like I want to get the priest
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Speaker 2: to break his.
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Speaker 1: Vows or whatever. That's not what's going on here.
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Speaker 2: But I just I was thinking about what it did
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Speaker 2: come up in several articles I was researching for that
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Speaker 2: episode where people would talk about Sister Act, and I
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Speaker 2: just thought it was so funny because we were talking
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Speaker 2: about such dark material around this and they would bring
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Speaker 2: up Sister Act.
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Speaker 3: Was funny.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So here you go, listeners, here's a lighter a
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Speaker 2: lighter movie.
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Speaker 1: Yes, please enjoy.
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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stefan
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Speaker 2: Never Told you a protection of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 3: And for this feminist movie Friday, once again, Annie is
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Speaker 3: letting me well, letting my tea age itself live in
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Speaker 3: the wonderful memories of some of my favorite movies. So
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Speaker 3: excited and much like my love for Brandy and Whitney
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Speaker 3: Houston's Cinderella, these movies made my heart sore and it
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Speaker 3: still does. I rewatched it. I was like, it's so bad,
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Speaker 3: but it's so good. Yes, it's so bad, it's so good,
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Speaker 3: so we're gonna jump into it. And today we are
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Speaker 3: talking about the amazing performances by Oscar winner Whoopi Goldberg
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Speaker 3: in the smash Hits. I say both of them, sister
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Speaker 3: act and sister Act two back in the habit? You
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Speaker 3: get it? Annie, do you get it?
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Speaker 2: And we've used this pun before in one of our
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Speaker 2: titles about women in their habits.
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Speaker 3: Here we go. I love it. And yes, even though
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Speaker 3: the second one scored like I think of nineteen percent
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Speaker 3: and rotten tomatoes at this point, how dare they be
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Speaker 3: smirch such an amazing movie? Would I? Cause, like Lauren
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Speaker 3: Hill and Jennifer love Hewitt being a part of it,
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Speaker 3: how dare you digress? And as per usual, we come
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Speaker 3: on the hills of the anniversary of these films, the
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Speaker 3: thirtieth anniversary. That is. So the first one was made
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Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety two and the second one was made
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Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety three. So yes, every time we do this,
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Speaker 3: I don't know how we get it done, but we
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Speaker 3: do so I'd like to think that we are more
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Speaker 3: relevant than we know. That's a nice thought. But also,
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Speaker 3: there is a third one in the works, and this
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Speaker 3: is all done with Disney. If you want to watch it,
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Speaker 3: you can go watch it on Disney. Plus, it began
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Speaker 3: with Disney. I didn't realize that. I thought it was
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Speaker 3: touch snown but they actually was a Disney film to
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Speaker 3: begin with. And yeah, there's a third one coming coming soon. Actually,
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Speaker 3: I think Tyler Perry has signed on to be a producer.
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Speaker 3: Will Be Goldberg is very excited. Apparently, Harvey Kayitel was like,
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Speaker 3: I wanted to be in the second one. Put me
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Speaker 3: in the third one. So you probably really loved this movie.
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Speaker 3: The gangster dude really loved this movie, So we'll see
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Speaker 3: what happens. Also on Broadway, it was anyways, and was
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Speaker 3: made into a musical, as it should be. I feel
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Speaker 3: like that's only natural. But yeah, so let's get into it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, let's so.
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Speaker 2: Sister Act was released in nineteen ninety two, and though
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Speaker 2: it ran into several barriers, including going through several writers,
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Speaker 2: it was a success as in fact, it hit the
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Speaker 2: eighth highest grossing film worldwide that year, and it sat
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Speaker 2: in the number two spot for four straight weeks, behind
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Speaker 2: Lethal Weapon Three, Patriot Games, and Batman Returns. That's right, which, yes,
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Speaker 2: was one of our other feminist movie Friday double features.
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Speaker 2: I think that one was actually technically a triple feature.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, that was a fun one. Oh yeah, because
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Speaker 2: I threw in Spider Verse at the end.
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Speaker 3: That's right, Annie, Annie, you always got to add.
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Speaker 2: The extra I've al Yeah, we might be talking about
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Speaker 2: Spider Verse at the end of this one.
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Speaker 1: Who knows. Anytime I can take it.
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Speaker 2: And with its thirty one million dollar budget, it grossed
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Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty one million dollars worldwide, which was yeah,
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Speaker 2: not so bad for a comedy film that was led
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Speaker 2: by a mostly women cast. So yeah, we're excited to
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Speaker 2: talk about it. I did love this movie when I
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Speaker 2: was a kid. I think I was a little bit
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Speaker 2: young for it, you were, I was a little young,
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Speaker 2: but I did love it, as we said. The movie
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Speaker 2: starred Oscar winner Whoopi Goldberg, playing Dolores fan Cartier, who
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Speaker 2: had just won that award for her role in Ghost.
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Speaker 1: Which have I told you my story about Ghost?
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Speaker 2: No, I've never seen it, but randomly one day the
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Speaker 2: DVD just showed up outside of my door.
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Speaker 1: Oh, and I haven't watched it yet.
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Speaker 2: But as adult, yes, like within, like the past. It
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Speaker 2: was before the pandemic, but maybe the year before the pandemic.
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Speaker 3: Someone really wants to do the pottery scene with you.
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Speaker 1: I think it was a ghost obviously.
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Speaker 2: Also starring in this film was Dave Maggie Smith playing
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Speaker 2: the reverend Mother Kathyen and Jimmy as the sunshine Sister Mary, Patrick,
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Speaker 2: Wendy mckinna as shy Sister Mary, Robert Harvey Kaitel as
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Speaker 2: the gangster boyfriend Vince Larocca, and Bill Nunn as Lieutenant
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Speaker 2: Eddie Southern. The original script and screenplay was completed by
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Speaker 2: Paul Rudnick, but due to some disagreement with the studio
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Speaker 2: in studio execs, he backed off and other writers stepped in,
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Speaker 2: including The Loved Carrie Fisher and Nancy Meyers, of nineties
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Speaker 2: rom com fame.
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Speaker 3: Right, so there's a lot and apparently like they had
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Speaker 3: Bett Middler as the original star, but she thought that
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Speaker 3: her audience wouldn't like her as a nun and would
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Speaker 3: be Goldberg stepped in, which was kind of controversial at
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Speaker 3: the time because a black woman being a lead like
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Speaker 3: this for a big comedy was unheard of, especially that
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Speaker 3: it kind of crossed over into worldwide fame. Also, there
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Speaker 3: was a complication in that there was a debate whether
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Speaker 3: or not the lieutenant should have been black or white. Well,
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Speaker 3: but race being a huge issue, finally settled in having
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Speaker 3: Bill Nunn, who had come off of several other big films,
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Speaker 3: finally being cast, and for some reason, the romance part
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Speaker 3: between the two of them, even though you see a
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Speaker 3: little chemistry, it's really played down, so you know, who
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Speaker 3: knows how that went down. But okay, so Annie, I'm
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Speaker 3: going to just go into this because I'm gonna get
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Speaker 3: really excited, you know this, because I love these movies
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Speaker 3: so much. I'm just going to go world win through
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Speaker 3: for you listeners as well as Franny. So we first
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Speaker 3: meet Dolores as a child at Catholic school, acting out
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Speaker 3: and making jokes being admonished by the nun for her silliness,
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Speaker 3: but then we jumped to present day nineteen ninety two.
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Speaker 3: I know that's not present day, don't start with me.
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Speaker 3: We see Dolores performing with her girl group a montage
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Speaker 3: of different sixties, fifties, seventies classics for gamblers barely pay
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Speaker 3: attention at the Las Vegas casino. We soon find now
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Speaker 3: that she's having an affair with a married gangster, Vince Larroca,
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Speaker 3: who she is not happy with, and after receiving a
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Speaker 3: purple mink coat that was formerly Loroca's wife, Dolores goes
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Speaker 3: to confront him and break up with him, but as
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Speaker 3: she walks in, she witnesses him and his boys are
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Speaker 3: murdering his driver for snitching. Oh no, so she quickly leaves,
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Speaker 3: but it's being chased by her boyfriend and his men,
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Speaker 3: and she rushes the police station to report what has happened,
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Speaker 3: which brings us to this hilarious hygiens of our time
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Speaker 3: with the nuns, which yes, this is very very dark,
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Speaker 3: by the way, very very dark beginning. You're like, oh god,
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Speaker 3: someone immediately gets murdered. Okay, and I saw this at twelve,
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Speaker 3: like I love this movie Wow. But anyway, so she
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Speaker 3: is soon placed in protective custody and is hidden with
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Speaker 3: nuns at the Saint Catharine's Catholic Church, and due to
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Speaker 3: the nature of the case, Lieutenant Eddie Southern is the
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Speaker 3: only one who knows of the location. And to say
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Speaker 3: the least, Dolores is unhappy with the arrangement that gives
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Speaker 3: in so she dons her habit and meets the other
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Speaker 3: women of the convent. Here we meet Sister Mary Robert,
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Speaker 3: Sister Mary Patrick, and several others, including the Reverend Mother,
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Speaker 3: who is not thrilled because Dolores tells of all these
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Speaker 3: things that she had done previously, trying to pretend like
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Speaker 3: she was a nun in Las Vegas with all the sinners.
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Speaker 3: But of course whatever, and now we know Dolores as
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Speaker 3: Sister Mary Clarence. And at this point, while she's telling
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Speaker 3: these stories and complaining about the food, the Reverend mothers
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Speaker 3: suggests that maybe she needs to fast and stop talking
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Speaker 3: all those things. Kind of cool. So the next day,
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Speaker 3: Sister Clarence has woken up bright and early, I mean
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Speaker 3: bright and early to attend church. There we see the
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Speaker 3: sad choir of the ladies with an almost empty church,
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Speaker 3: and though she tries to fit in, Sister married Clarence
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Speaker 3: decides to go to a local biker bar because you know,
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Speaker 3: she needs to get out, who was followed by a
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Speaker 3: Sister Mary Patrick and Sister Mary Robert, both thinking she's
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Speaker 3: going out to preach to the communities they want to join.
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Speaker 3: They all rush back home after listening to some delightful
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Speaker 3: music and dancing, but are caught by the reverend Mother
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Speaker 3: once again. And the following day, the Reverend Mother puts
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Speaker 3: Sister Clarence in the choir because she's like, you need
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Speaker 3: something new here, you go do this. Sister Clarence quickly
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Speaker 3: assesses the situation and the talents of the different women.
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Speaker 3: We discover that the church mouse can sing very loudly,
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Speaker 3: that they can harmonize, and maybe sister Patrick is a
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Speaker 3: little too loud, just just a little too loud, Yeah, okay.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, that's how she auditioned for that roles,
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Speaker 3: by doing the operatic voice. And they loved it so
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Speaker 3: much they're like, don't do anything else. And so soon
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Speaker 3: we come to the following church service where we see
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Speaker 3: a whole different type of choir. Sister Mary Clarence has
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Speaker 3: shaken the choir up a bed and it brings in
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Speaker 3: some new church attendees. Oh but the reverend mother is
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Speaker 3: not happy. However, the Monseignor is delighted and encourages Sister
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Speaker 3: Merrick Clarance to continue to work with a choir and
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Speaker 3: even to go out into the community to minister to
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Speaker 3: the neighbor. Of course, this gets them a lot of attention,
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Speaker 3: including a news report on how the nuns are out
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Speaker 3: in the streets connecting with the community, which is of course,
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Speaker 3: is a no no, and Lieutenant has to be like,
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Speaker 3: don't do that anymore. You can't be.
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Speaker 1: Out like that.
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Speaker 3: How why are you? Why?
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Speaker 1: Just why?
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Speaker 3: And as everything seems to be going okay, we see
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Speaker 3: that there is a leak in the precinct and they
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Speaker 3: have discovered they being the gangsters that where Dolores is
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Speaker 3: and reports it to Vince, who's been on the hunt
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Speaker 3: for her the entire time, with a big hit out
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Speaker 3: on her. And though the legit comes to warn Dolores
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Speaker 3: because he figures it out, she tries to go back
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Speaker 3: to save the nuns from Vince because they're coming, and
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Speaker 3: only to be caught and taken back to the casinos
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Speaker 3: where he commands his men to shoot her, but they
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Speaker 3: can't because she's dressed like a nun. They're like, but
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Speaker 3: she's a nun, you can't, you can't kill on Lord.
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Speaker 3: Maybe she really converted and because of that, she's able
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Speaker 3: to get away. And at the same time, the nuns,
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Speaker 3: the actual nuns, have come to save her. And as
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Speaker 3: they catch up and they try to you know, trick them,
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Speaker 3: but no, the gangsters find them and catch up with
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Speaker 3: the nuns and Dolores and Vince's and his boys are
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Speaker 3: debating who's going to shoot home because again nuns, but
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Speaker 3: so that they get caught and arrested and everybody lives
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Speaker 3: happily ever after the.
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Speaker 1: End, also, the Pope shows up.
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Speaker 3: I should just oh, yes, because they have the big
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Speaker 3: show at the end.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my biggest So I can't believe I
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Speaker 2: forgot the Pope show again.
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Speaker 3: I probably forgot again even though I watched it again.
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, you don't see the Pope.
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Speaker 3: You just see the back.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just see the bag.
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Speaker 3: Because they've gotten so much attention. He shows up and
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Speaker 3: of course they do the final performance, and yes, then
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Speaker 3: the nuns discover her true identity. But everybody loves her.
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Speaker 1: Nonetheless, Yes, more on that to come.
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Speaker 2: We need to talk about the amazing sequel, very predictable
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Speaker 2: in hokey, but I know it's one of your faves.
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Speaker 3: I still love it so much.
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Speaker 1: This is my first I it's my first time seeing it.
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Speaker 1: I loved it too. It's fun. Sister Act two back
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Speaker 1: in the habit absolutely so.
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Speaker 3: And we have once again the incomparable Whoopy Goldberg, Dame
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Speaker 3: Maggie Smith, Kathy and Jimmy, Wendy mckinna, and a majority
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Speaker 3: of the previous nuns, joined this time by the amazing
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Speaker 3: talents of Lauren Hill in her breakout role as Rita
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Speaker 3: Louise Watson and yes you do hear her full name.
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Speaker 3: Oh I forgot to mention. Did you notice that Bobby
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Speaker 3: from Supernatural was in the first one? He was one
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Speaker 3: of the cops. No, a young, a young Jim Bieber
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Speaker 3: is in it, just so you know. But back to
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Speaker 3: the second onek my bed I just needed so. Yes,
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Speaker 3: we have Emmy Award winner Sheryl Lee Ralph as the
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Speaker 3: mother of Florence Wilson, Rita's mother, Ryan Toby as Wesley
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Speaker 3: Glenn Amal James who by the Way wrote Miami for
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Speaker 3: Will Smith, so he's a songwriters a piece of tribute
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Speaker 3: for you. And of course there's more fathers than in
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Speaker 3: this one. I think they call them friars in this one,
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Speaker 3: which I was like, huh, interesting, and we add that
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Speaker 3: to the mix, and a mister Crisp who is the
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Speaker 3: antagonist played by James Coburn. Oh, I know, of course,
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Speaker 3: we can't forget Jennifer Love Hewitt, who is a part
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Speaker 3: of this one, very slight part, but she's still there
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Speaker 3: with all her makeup and glory. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think I got to the end and I saw
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Speaker 2: her name show up and I was like, I knew it,
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Speaker 2: but the whole time it was kind of at the
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Speaker 2: back of my brain, like I know her from somewhere
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Speaker 2: you go, there you go, there you go.
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Speaker 1: So, yes, let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: So the second one starts and we discover that Dolores
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Speaker 2: is thriving as a headlighter in a new Las Vegas
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Speaker 2: show which highlights her adventures.
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Speaker 1: From the first sister Act.
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Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me of what happens in Chicago
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Speaker 2: where the end they have their like whole musical number
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Speaker 2: of Yes, what just happened in the movie sort of
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Speaker 2: like that. During the performance, her old friends Sister Mary
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Speaker 2: Patrick and Sister Mary Robert come to not just watch
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Speaker 2: the amazing performance, but to elicit her help. The sisters
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Speaker 2: had been sent by the Reverend Mother to help revive
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Speaker 2: the school that the teachers have started teaching at in
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Speaker 2: San Francisco. And so begins the new adventure of Sister
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Speaker 2: Mary Clarence.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so back in the habit I said it. Sister
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Speaker 3: Mary Clarence arrives at Saint Francis Academy, a school that
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Speaker 3: has not been doing well, as in fact, the school
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Speaker 3: was on the verge of being shut down, to the
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Speaker 3: dismay of the sisters, but to the delight of the administrator,
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Speaker 3: mister Crisp, who was seeking in an early retirement. And
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Speaker 3: during this time, Sister Clarence is assigned to the music class,
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Speaker 3: which is labeled the Bird Class as students quote, fly
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Speaker 3: right through it and the rambunctious crew does not disappoint
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Speaker 3: with a wonderful rendition of Io Mama Jokes and introduction
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Speaker 3: to the class, including the wonderful Rita Luise Watson right.
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Speaker 2: And Sister Mary Clarence's relationship with the class does have
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Speaker 2: a rough start, yeah, but she soon gets them together
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Speaker 2: by laying down the law and though some protest aka
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Speaker 2: some Rita, mostly the class comes together and we soon
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Speaker 2: discovered the classes full of talented singers and rappers.
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Speaker 1: And piano players some of them. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And here the sister Sister Mary Clarence decides, well, we
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Speaker 2: could make a choir. We can make this acchoir, and
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Speaker 2: that she does with the first performance, Oh Happy Day,
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Speaker 2: with an amazing solo from Wesley Slash a Mall. Soon
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Speaker 2: we discovered that school was once a reputable school that
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Speaker 2: won singing competitions like every year, and of course that
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Speaker 2: means this new choir would be joining this year, competing
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Speaker 2: and might even help save the school.
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Speaker 3: A very popular trope in the Night and It's here
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Speaker 3: we see the return of Rita after Sister may I
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Speaker 3: Roberts discovered her talent for singing. It was a beautiful,
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Speaker 3: beautiful song by the way. Sister Clarence talks Rita to
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Speaker 3: come back and join the competition, but Rita has to
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Speaker 3: hide her lover singing from her mother, as the mother
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Speaker 3: disapproves of the dreams of being a singer because her
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Speaker 3: father kind of wasted away and never fulfilling that dream,
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Speaker 3: so she's like get it together, essentially really stern, but
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Speaker 3: the secret doesn't stay a secret after her mother discovers
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Speaker 3: that she's a part of the choir Florence. The mother
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Speaker 3: makes Rita quit to focus on her studies, and even
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Speaker 3: a visit from Sister Clarence does nothing to change her mind.
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Speaker 3: But Rita's friend reminds her of the importance of the
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Speaker 3: competition and being one of the group, and after being
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Speaker 3: kind of sneaky sneaky, she joins. After they do a
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Speaker 3: huge fundraiser for this trip because they all had to
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Speaker 3: raise the money, and we have a great sequence of
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Speaker 3: will be gold Burg pretending to be James Brown, wonderful,
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Speaker 3: and they all go to the competition together.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, including Rita. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And at the com we see the many stumbling blocks
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Speaker 2: in front of the kids and the school, the disapproving mother,
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Speaker 2: the discovery of Sister Mary Clarence's real identity by mister Crisp,
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Speaker 2: and other groups who seem so put together, like they
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Speaker 2: hear another group sing the same song they're going to sing,
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Speaker 2: but of course they overcome with an updated rendition of Joyful, Joyful,
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Speaker 2: led by Rita.
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Speaker 1: They win the.
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Speaker 2: Competition and the approval to keep the school open. Her
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Speaker 2: u Rita also gets approval from her stern mother, who's like, wow,
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Speaker 2: I didn't know you.
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Speaker 1: Were that good.
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Speaker 2: And of course we couldn't end the movie without the
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Speaker 2: big reveal that sister Mary Clarence was not a sister
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Speaker 2: but a headliner of a Las Vegas show and she's like, yeah.
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Speaker 3: Show girl, and she's like, I have never been a showgirl.
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Speaker 3: I am a headliner. You know, you got to have
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Speaker 3: that moment. Of course, we do have to mention the
18:53
Speaker 3: fact that they were all in these fancy robes, but
18:56
Speaker 3: they were so uncomfortable they wore their street clothes. I'm
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Speaker 3: putting quotes here close so they can could be real
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Speaker 3: hip hop stars. Yeah, it's very cheesy. It is very cheesy.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of blacking. I would wish for more singing,
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Speaker 3: but I still love it. I still love everything about it.
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Speaker 3: I remember singing these songs, quoting these quotes like so good,
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Speaker 3: m hm, so good. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's a very uplifting, fun story because I
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Speaker 2: remember because this was the first time i'd seen the
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Speaker 2: second one, and I like was all twisted up, like
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Speaker 2: what if they don't win like they built it up.
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Speaker 2: But it was just nice. It was just nice that
19:35
Speaker 2: they won. It was nice that the school.
19:39
Speaker 3: Of course, but I love that when they were announcing
19:41
Speaker 3: the winner, the announcer was like so excited for them,
19:44
Speaker 3: like over the top acting. It's like, of course saying Francis, yeah,
19:49
Speaker 3: you're especially biased here, what's happening there. I did find
19:53
Speaker 3: it interesting that you had the split between the school
19:56
Speaker 3: that usually won, the one that sang the same song
19:59
Speaker 3: was all right and very put together, as in like
20:03
Speaker 3: they were polished, probably very rich school versus this school,
20:07
Speaker 3: which was apparently the only one in that district, and
20:10
Speaker 3: the because would have to have been pushed to other
20:13
Speaker 3: districts and would have been separated and may not even
20:14
Speaker 3: be able to go to those schools because of not
20:18
Speaker 3: being able to get there. So a lot of things
20:20
Speaker 3: that happened, but like, of course, it was an interesting
20:24
Speaker 3: like opposite of each other. We love we love the underdogs,
20:29
Speaker 3: we love an underdog. The nineties were all about the underdog,
20:34
Speaker 3: and of course I think things have flipped on its
20:36
Speaker 3: head more recently where they don't oftentimes win anymore, but
20:39
Speaker 3: they get a good lesson instead.
20:42
Speaker 1: I don't like that, well, I said it was nice.
20:45
Speaker 1: It was one of those things where I was just like,
20:47
Speaker 1: oh hey, I.
20:51
Speaker 3: Also loved about the second one. There was no romance,
20:53
Speaker 3: There was no like couple coupling. It was just literally
20:58
Speaker 3: a coming of age story about dreams. Speaking of which
21:03
Speaker 3: we'll get into some of the themes. I don't know.
21:06
Speaker 3: Of course, all movies have themes. I don't know if
21:08
Speaker 3: this one has a lot of themes. This is not
21:10
Speaker 3: so much feminist as much as really new and different
21:15
Speaker 3: in its perspective on how they did comedy and who
21:19
Speaker 3: led these comedies and why it was so significant. It's
21:22
Speaker 3: interesting to me because when this happened and Whoopi Goldberg
21:26
Speaker 3: took the role over Bet Milder, I didn't see a
21:30
Speaker 3: lot of articles where people were upset that a black
21:33
Speaker 3: actress had taken over for a white actress, which I
21:36
Speaker 3: think too often happens today when it doesn't even make sense.
21:39
Speaker 3: Even if you have no investment in these characters, people
21:42
Speaker 3: automatically have this conversation about what's woke, what's correct, what's
21:47
Speaker 3: not correct, instead of just letting it be, which is
21:50
Speaker 3: kind of that conversation we had about Brandy. There was
21:52
Speaker 3: a lot of controversy with Cinderella, because the idea of Cinderella,
21:57
Speaker 3: a very fictional character, was of one race, which is
22:00
Speaker 3: that it was superior of a race, which is a
22:02
Speaker 3: whole different conversation, but in this role it was not
22:06
Speaker 3: that way. There was a conversation about not seeing many
22:11
Speaker 3: black women being nuns and whether or not that's a thing,
22:16
Speaker 3: very minute conversation. I will say. There were a couple
22:19
Speaker 3: of lawsuits here. I don't know if you know this one.
22:23
Speaker 3: There was a black nun, I think a named de
22:27
Speaker 3: Luis or like. It was similar to Dolores who had
22:30
Speaker 3: written a book in the eighties seventies that was similar
22:34
Speaker 3: to this, how she got together the choir, revamped a city,
22:38
Speaker 3: all these things, and that she really and she tried
22:41
Speaker 3: to make it into a screenplay. No one took it,
22:43
Speaker 3: but she felt like that Disney and these screenwriters had
22:46
Speaker 3: taken their idea which was kind of similar. So they
22:48
Speaker 3: were like, maybe she lost that lawsuit because she tried
22:53
Speaker 3: for a billion dollars and that movie did not make
22:56
Speaker 3: a billion dollars, but so that kind of went to
22:59
Speaker 3: the wayside. It was another one with some fairly famous
23:03
Speaker 3: writers who said that they had that idea in the
23:07
Speaker 3: early eighties of a closeted nun so like a fake
23:11
Speaker 3: nun coming out and being a comedy. But they also lost.
23:17
Speaker 3: Even though Disney was willing to settle for a million dollars,
23:20
Speaker 3: they were trying to super multimillion dollars. They lost completely
23:24
Speaker 3: because they said there was not enough of the similarities.
23:27
Speaker 3: But a lot of the similarities were that it was
23:29
Speaker 3: a black nun. So I thought that was interesting in itself,
23:34
Speaker 3: that that's such a novel idea, that it became something
23:37
Speaker 3: that was like about copyright and infringement and all that.
23:41
Speaker 3: I love that today we still talk about it as
23:46
Speaker 3: just wholesome entertainment, even though again we talked about the
23:49
Speaker 3: gangster and an affair thing that happened. It's like, oh,
23:53
Speaker 3: but the fact that it happened, like she moved on
23:55
Speaker 3: to the nunnery the convent, made it more wholesome perhaps.
24:00
Speaker 3: And I think the only curse word I remember hearing
24:03
Speaker 3: is hell and damn the entire time.
24:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really liked about it that, which is not
24:11
Speaker 2: what I was anticipating, because again I saw this movie
24:13
Speaker 2: and everything liked it when I was a kid, but
24:14
Speaker 2: I was young, so I didn't remember a lot of it,
24:16
Speaker 2: but I.
24:17
Speaker 1: Really liked that.
24:18
Speaker 2: You know, they're kind of like painting Dolores as you know,
24:23
Speaker 2: the antithesis of a nun, Like, oh, yeah, she smokes,
24:27
Speaker 2: she drinks, she curses, she's like lived a life, as
24:32
Speaker 2: they say. But in the end, like they don't really
24:35
Speaker 2: judge her for that, and they also don't like throw
24:38
Speaker 2: her out when they realize she's not sister Mary Clarence.
24:41
Speaker 2: They're like, no, she's been somebody who's been there for us,
24:45
Speaker 2: you know, has helped does and we're going to go
24:47
Speaker 2: and be there for her and help her.
24:49
Speaker 1: Yes. I liked that a lot because I was expecting
24:52
Speaker 1: a lot more like oh you're a lot.
24:56
Speaker 3: The ending with with the kids too, like you deceived us.
24:59
Speaker 3: They right, that are more impressive, even say you don't
25:02
Speaker 3: act like a nun. I was like, wait, what, okay?
25:06
Speaker 3: Right anyway, so let's get into some of these themes.
25:08
Speaker 3: Of course, as you're mentioning about them rallying together sisterhood,
25:12
Speaker 3: I feel like the literals being sisterhood, but the cammaraderie,
25:18
Speaker 3: the love they have for each other, the fondness, and yeah,
25:21
Speaker 3: the encouragement to have it for each other instead of judging,
25:24
Speaker 3: they automatically are like, oh my god, that's amazing. Let's
25:26
Speaker 3: do this together. I want to help you, or this
25:28
Speaker 3: is even better, Like it's such a beautiful thing to
25:31
Speaker 3: see and you can even see that not necessarily sisterhood,
25:34
Speaker 3: but togetherness and the kids that they come together and
25:37
Speaker 3: rally together and they really feel like something is important
25:40
Speaker 3: and they fight for it and it's beautiful to see that.
25:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I really liked that too. One of my
25:47
Speaker 2: favorite parts of both of them is I feel like Whoope.
25:51
Speaker 1: Goldberg's character was such a good teacher.
25:53
Speaker 2: She was such a good like she could pick out
25:56
Speaker 2: like oh you you could really sing the shy sister,
26:00
Speaker 2: like oh you can do this, or you know, you
26:02
Speaker 2: need to be a little bit more quiet, but does
26:04
Speaker 2: it in a way that's very supportive and like not insulting.
26:08
Speaker 2: And then with the kids, like she's never there's never
26:11
Speaker 2: a piece of her even though she's confident in her
26:13
Speaker 2: like I'm a headliner, there's never a piece of her
26:15
Speaker 2: that's like putting down someone else for being better than
26:18
Speaker 2: her or anything.
26:18
Speaker 1: It's much more about like building.
26:20
Speaker 2: Up, yeah, to make the best choir, this group effort
26:25
Speaker 2: that she can make and everything like that, like in
26:27
Speaker 2: the second when it kind of starts where she's very successful,
26:30
Speaker 2: but it doesn't take much for them to convince her, like, hey,
26:32
Speaker 2: will you come helpless out with these kids, like this
26:34
Speaker 2: is my school.
26:35
Speaker 1: She's like okay.
26:37
Speaker 3: Immediately she just thinks that the reverend mother is in trouble,
26:40
Speaker 3: and she's she drops everything, even the publicist, who, by
26:43
Speaker 3: the way, is an actor from Designing Women and so
26:47
Speaker 3: he was pretty big back then, Yeah, he was. She's like, no, no,
26:50
Speaker 3: these are my friends. No, I'll do what they ask.
26:53
Speaker 3: I love that, but you know, apparently she was like
26:55
Speaker 3: that in real life as well. So the first sister
26:58
Speaker 3: act she'd gotten flew had to take off a couple
27:02
Speaker 3: of days. But it was at that time she had
27:04
Speaker 3: realized that the rest of the cast, the nuns who
27:07
Speaker 3: weren't scripted, who weren't stars, or who may not have
27:10
Speaker 3: speaking parts, were possibly paying for their own meals, paying
27:13
Speaker 3: for their own hotels, and she was not allowing that.
27:15
Speaker 3: So she took that time as to not necessarily protest,
27:18
Speaker 3: she said, but put things in line to make sure
27:21
Speaker 3: that their knees are being met and they're being taken
27:24
Speaker 3: care of. And so apparently like she did that for
27:27
Speaker 3: the cast Kathy and Jimmy had actually said that she
27:30
Speaker 3: was one of the most wonderful people that she had
27:32
Speaker 3: ever worked with, that she really cared about the rest
27:35
Speaker 3: of the people on the set and Kathy the Jimmy
27:39
Speaker 3: had worked with, and if I am correct, one of
27:42
Speaker 3: the either producers or directors or writers was also from
27:45
Speaker 3: hocus Pocus. So she really talked about how this was
27:48
Speaker 3: a catalyst for her career, which is hilarious because she
27:50
Speaker 3: would have met I don't know if she already knew
27:52
Speaker 3: Bette Midler, who was supposed to be on this film,
27:54
Speaker 3: so you know, you know the connections here. But it's
27:57
Speaker 3: lovely to read that that's what happened, even though if
28:01
Speaker 3: you read into it, there was a lot of controversy,
28:03
Speaker 3: a lot of back and forth and a lot of
28:06
Speaker 3: like uh not niceness that happened behind the scenes, not
28:11
Speaker 3: necessarily again with the actors, but even just the whole process.
28:15
Speaker 3: But yeah, that she stood up for her sisters literally
28:18
Speaker 3: and making sure that they are cared for. I was like, oh,
28:21
Speaker 3: I love that, and like you were talking about too,
28:23
Speaker 3: something that I love to see is that they grow together,
28:26
Speaker 3: like they learn from each other as where Willie Goldberg
28:29
Speaker 3: is Sister Clarence is teaching them how to sing and
28:32
Speaker 3: to be confident and to really come together as a group.
28:35
Speaker 3: So do this, kids, She brings them together even if
28:38
Speaker 3: they don't like the same thing. And I love the
28:41
Speaker 3: same part of the young woman who kid doesn't know
28:44
Speaker 3: Mary had a little lamb, so she sings show tunes,
28:46
Speaker 3: which we have coorger who loves show tunes loves show tunes.
28:53
Speaker 1: Yes, no, I love that. Again.
28:54
Speaker 2: That's like such a good example of her being a
28:56
Speaker 2: good teacher because she was like, no, we're not gonna
28:58
Speaker 2: make fun of her.
28:59
Speaker 1: She doesn't know it.
29:01
Speaker 2: What do you know, Like we can we can come
29:03
Speaker 2: from where you are and get this worked out. So
29:06
Speaker 2: I loved that too, and I loved like her relationship
29:10
Speaker 2: with the Reverend Mother, which was very kind of, you know, clashy.
29:14
Speaker 2: Here's the antagonist in the first one, but the reverend mother,
29:19
Speaker 2: you know, came around and was like, look, I can
29:21
Speaker 2: I can appreciate what you've done. I can see what
29:23
Speaker 2: you've done for this group and for this church. And
29:28
Speaker 2: then in the second one it is that they're good
29:30
Speaker 2: friends and protective of each other. So that was very
29:33
Speaker 2: sweet to see that. Yeah, it was. I don't know,
29:37
Speaker 2: it was very nice to see a character that was
29:39
Speaker 2: so like willing to be open. Like when she enters
29:43
Speaker 2: that class with the students, I would have like melted
29:46
Speaker 2: into a puddle and oh god, but she tried, Like
29:50
Speaker 2: she keeps, you know, talking about her favorite music and
29:54
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what they like and how she
29:56
Speaker 2: can get them to work together in the same the
30:00
Speaker 2: sisters at the convents, but just kind of being an
30:04
Speaker 2: open lister and open about how difficult things. I remember
30:07
Speaker 2: she has that line where she says something like, you know,
30:11
Speaker 2: the one thing I hate about this room is there's
30:12
Speaker 2: nothing to throw when.
30:13
Speaker 1: She's so frustrated.
30:15
Speaker 2: So it was nice to see a character like that
30:19
Speaker 2: that was so invested in other people growing together, coming
30:25
Speaker 2: together while also being like growing herself and getting to
30:29
Speaker 2: show off her own talent.
30:44
Speaker 3: And I have to say I forgot to add as
30:46
Speaker 3: part sister Mary Lazarus was actually played by an iconic actress,
30:52
Speaker 3: Mary Wicks, who was in movies like White Christmas that
30:56
Speaker 3: start being Crosby as well, like one of the biggest
31:00
Speaker 3: iconic Christmas movies Problematic, but you know, it's still there.
31:05
Speaker 3: She was also in one of my favorite movies, The
31:09
Speaker 3: Music Man, which I loved as well, so like she
31:12
Speaker 3: was a big part of that. But she is the
31:14
Speaker 3: original lead for the choir who steps down and instead
31:18
Speaker 3: of getting mad, which oftentimes happened, she supports her and
31:21
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, a great job. And she's also
31:23
Speaker 3: the one that does the show tunes of the second one.
31:25
Speaker 3: As we talked with these show tunes, but I kind
31:28
Speaker 3: of forget that these actors are iconic in themselves and
31:32
Speaker 3: even though we may not know their names. She has
31:34
Speaker 3: been in acting since nineteen forty two, if not earlier,
31:38
Speaker 3: so she's been around for a long time, and her
31:40
Speaker 3: face is very familiar. You should probably you'll see her
31:43
Speaker 3: and you'll be like, I've seen her in something. She's
31:45
Speaker 3: just movies, And yeah, I think another part of the
31:48
Speaker 3: growing together getting news believing in themselves. Of course, that's
31:52
Speaker 3: the huge part of the nineties, really, like understanding who
31:56
Speaker 3: you are, following your dreams. All of these things. The
31:59
Speaker 3: first one is believing yourself. We have Mary Roberts who
32:03
Speaker 3: doesn't sing loudly because she's so shy and embarrassed. You know,
32:07
Speaker 3: she helps her come out of herself. She does the
32:09
Speaker 3: same for Mary Patrick. She does the same for even
32:12
Speaker 3: a sister. Alma turns off her battery, but then she
32:16
Speaker 3: gives her a chance to play away on that piano
32:19
Speaker 3: and she really gets into it.
32:20
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, yeah, yeah, and that was nice to see
32:26
Speaker 2: because I feel like when the first one starts, you know,
32:30
Speaker 2: the church is empty, and you hear kind of several
32:34
Speaker 2: versions of you know, I joined to help people and
32:38
Speaker 2: we're just kind of sitting here and following rules, and
32:42
Speaker 2: then yeah, Dolorus comes in and it's like, no, here, well,
32:46
Speaker 2: we can revitalize this choir. I know that you have
32:48
Speaker 2: this strong voice. I know that you can do this,
32:51
Speaker 2: and I know that you can do this and all
32:52
Speaker 2: this stuff. But then that does lead to them going
32:54
Speaker 2: out and like getting to know the community and bringing
32:58
Speaker 2: other people in.
33:00
Speaker 1: And seeing that confidence growing.
33:02
Speaker 2: And the second one was the kids, because the kids
33:05
Speaker 2: were kind of like, well, this is a bird class,
33:06
Speaker 2: as you said, like this is there's no point to this,
33:10
Speaker 2: and she Dolores kind of kind of shows them like,
33:13
Speaker 2: oh no, they're you have talents. What you choose to
33:17
Speaker 2: do with it, it's up to you. But you have talent,
33:20
Speaker 2: and you should believe that you have talent. She does
33:22
Speaker 2: that with a mall especially and rita especially. Yeah, like
33:25
Speaker 2: you can do this and it's beautiful and wonderful and
33:28
Speaker 2: like this gifts.
33:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's good. It's beautiful and wonderful. To here
33:32
Speaker 1: is the audience.
33:33
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, a ma all that that note that hit
33:37
Speaker 3: hits you're like what? Yes, love sing and of course
33:44
Speaker 3: everything can be fixed with singing. Everything can be fixed
33:47
Speaker 3: with singing. And did you know this? I will not lie.
33:52
Speaker 3: I love musicals. And when I was explaining to a
33:55
Speaker 3: good friend of mine why I love it, I just like, man,
33:58
Speaker 3: I just wish a problem could be fixed with the song. Yeah,
34:01
Speaker 3: and then you just move on.
34:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, people join in.
34:08
Speaker 3: And people don't judge you.
34:10
Speaker 1: No, it is nice.
34:12
Speaker 2: I've told you that musicals make me nervous, but musicals
34:15
Speaker 2: like this don't because I can anticipate when the singing is.
34:18
Speaker 3: If it's surprise singing, then I'm yeah, the constant, over
34:21
Speaker 3: the top singing where everything is a song which I love.
34:24
Speaker 3: I love as in fact, went to karaoke this weekend
34:28
Speaker 3: and I did my friend and I because we love that,
34:31
Speaker 3: did a rendition of on my own from lay Miss
34:33
Speaker 3: because I love it.
34:35
Speaker 1: Nice Matt did we kill it?
34:37
Speaker 3: Yes? Did we sound good? No? She did, she sounded
34:40
Speaker 3: really good, screaming into the mike. But yeah, I just
34:46
Speaker 3: love all that. And honestly though, that's one of her
34:49
Speaker 3: things for Whoopy Goldberg, and I think it's like for
34:51
Speaker 3: a lot of people. It's one of those commonalities that
34:54
Speaker 3: people really can bond over, is music and songs and
34:58
Speaker 3: your interest. Then she talked about that, she talks about
35:01
Speaker 3: her love for old school motown music and the girl
35:05
Speaker 3: groups and how she found them dynamic and how that
35:09
Speaker 3: really really affects her heart. I feel the same way
35:13
Speaker 3: right now. I'm really caught up in K pop music
35:15
Speaker 3: a lot of it, trying to figure it out, and
35:17
Speaker 3: it feels very familiar, and so it's comforting to that,
35:20
Speaker 3: even though I have no idea what's happening right now.
35:24
Speaker 2: Music is very cathartic, Like you find a good song
35:27
Speaker 2: and it can just give you such emotions, such feelings.
35:33
Speaker 2: And it was I mean, like, you know, as.
35:38
Speaker 1: Hokey as it might be.
35:40
Speaker 2: At the end of the second one, all these kids
35:42
Speaker 2: are coming together, they're singing this song and it's so
35:44
Speaker 2: good and people are so into it, and you're just like, yes, Yeah,
35:50
Speaker 2: it's true.
35:51
Speaker 3: It's true. We all are I think onto all of that.
35:57
Speaker 3: One of the biggest complaints about the second one, and
36:00
Speaker 3: people were like, you know, they didn't do this right,
36:02
Speaker 3: was literally that there wasn't enough singing, that they cut
36:05
Speaker 3: off at the wrong times. So when we have you
36:09
Speaker 3: walking in to see Lauren Hill's character and her friend
36:12
Speaker 3: and singing I sing because I'm happy together, and then
36:18
Speaker 3: you only hear a snippet and you're like, no, why
36:21
Speaker 3: didn't you at least let them finish? Right?
36:23
Speaker 1: Hear that?
36:24
Speaker 3: And then that the only other song is joyful, Joyful
36:27
Speaker 3: and oh Happy Day? You want more? Although this is realistic, y'all.
36:32
Speaker 3: When you trying to rehearse for a song, it takes
36:34
Speaker 3: a whole semester, especially if you're trying to do competition
36:38
Speaker 3: to get it perfect.
36:39
Speaker 1: Right. Oh yeah, absolutely, I thought they were.
36:43
Speaker 2: When they heard the other like more quote polished group
36:47
Speaker 2: play the same song, I thought they were going to
36:49
Speaker 2: switch it to is it oh happy Day?
36:52
Speaker 1: They in the beginning, I thought they were going to
36:53
Speaker 1: switch it.
36:54
Speaker 2: I like what they did, it was good, but yeah,
36:56
Speaker 2: I was also like, I love these singing parts.
36:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say my one complaint is the dude,
37:04
Speaker 3: the white dude trying to rap. Oh yeah, yeah, it
37:09
Speaker 3: made me change a little bit.
37:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
37:14
Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding, but yeah, I love that they
37:16
Speaker 3: came together. I love that they try to add rap.
37:19
Speaker 3: It really did feel like old people try to figure
37:22
Speaker 3: out rap and be like this is what this is?
37:24
Speaker 2: Right?
37:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, but.
37:30
Speaker 3: You know what they tried, It's okay. I think someone's
37:33
Speaker 3: review said the Cassio beat and I was like, oh, oh,
37:36
Speaker 3: that dates, that's so dated. Why that hurt my feelings?
37:44
Speaker 3: Especially the quit quit hurting my feelings about this movie?
37:48
Speaker 3: I love it so much. I watched this one, I
37:51
Speaker 3: think way more than I did the first one. Uh.
37:54
Speaker 3: It's just something to that soulfulness to it, and it
37:57
Speaker 3: just felt so beautiful. My so used to direct our
38:03
Speaker 3: little church choir and she would take influences from there.
38:06
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why I love as much as I did,
38:07
Speaker 3: because she loved these movies, but she would try to
38:09
Speaker 3: do things from here. She would do that and then uh,
38:12
Speaker 3: oh brother, where art thal? We had different renditions from
38:15
Speaker 3: that too.
38:15
Speaker 1: Very interesting, that's right? We were cool? Oh not? Why? Well?
38:25
Speaker 2: These were certainly fun fun for me to watch I'm
38:27
Speaker 2: glad you got to watch them begin welcome. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
38:33
Speaker 2: they are available for streaming listeners if you want to
38:35
Speaker 2: check them out. And yeah, in the meantime, if you
38:39
Speaker 2: have any suggestions for what movies we should talk about next,
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