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Breaking: NASCAR Considering Season Long Points Format | Charlie Marlow Show · Kenny Wallace Media

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You are live, we are live, you are looking live.
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Charlie Marlowe here reporting from my home in St.
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Louis, MO, more specifically Glendale.
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Huge NASCAR news, huge NASCAR news.
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You see the headline breaking. NASCAR is considering a 36 race
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championship format. I was dropping my kids off at
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school this morning and I have to admit, sometimes I will
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scroll Twitter at the stoplights.
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Of course, not when I'm driving. And Jeff Gluck dropped the
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article in the Athletic and this is a bombshell.
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This is very, very interesting to me and I'm not going to take
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away Jeff Gluck's shine here. You guys should all go and read
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Jeff Gluck's article, but I will kind of tell you some of the
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basics of it. And he tweeted out this was hour
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or so ago. It was 739 central time.
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So that's about hour and a half getting to two hours ago.
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And the headline is this. Seven months into NASCAR's
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process of overhauling its play offs, the full season points
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option is still on the table as a possibility.
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Here's a look at the case for why NASCAR could choose that
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route. And he has five bullet points
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there. Once again, I'm not going to
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steal all of Jeff Gluck's Thunder.
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I did read the article myself. I think you should as well.
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But I'll just kind of give you some basics.
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First of all, I give NASCAR a lot of credit for considering
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this. By the way, who's the happiest
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person in the world right now? Who is the happiest person in
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the world when they saw that tweet, when they read that
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article? Mark Martin, folks.
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And there's a there's a Mark Martin Viagra joke in there
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somewhere, right When Mark Martin and we love Mark Martin.
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I'm having fun here. When Mark Martin saw that that
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this is still a possibility. When Mark Martin was on Kenny
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conversation earlier this year, spring, summer, he was so
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adamant about wanting the 36 race championship, the old
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school way of doing things. I'll be honest with you, I never
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thought NASCAR would, would even consider this.
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And I'm not saying they're going to do it in a weird way.
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It's almost I, I don't want to say it's going to happen, but
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I'm, I'm just thinking through this as I'm, as I'm reading the
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article. Would NASCAR want this out?
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Would they want it reported if they know a lot of fans are
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going to get excited about the possibility of going back to the
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old school 36 race points championship and then it doesn't
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happen? That's fascinating in itself,
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right? I mean, like, you can't put that
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toothpaste back in the tube. There's going to be a lot of
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NASCAR fans that want the old way and they're going to read
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this article this morning and now you've got their hopes up
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that it's going to happen. And if it doesn't happen,
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they're going to be disappointed.
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Whereas if this article doesn't come out, and I'm not, by the
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way, I'm not in any way demonizing Jeff Glock in in
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writing the article. I mean, Jeff Glock, he has
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sources. He knows what's going on.
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So I 100% believe him in the fact that NASCAR is still
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considering this process. It's just, it's one of those
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deals, once you open up Pandora's box and you get fans
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excited. And then even if you were to
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change the, the format, remember, if if you look at the
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way things are trending in the media the last month or so,
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think about Jordan Bianchi also with the Athletic and how he's
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discussed this on his podcast with Jeff Glock.
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He's essentially, and these guys are well sourced.
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Let's be real. He's essentially insinuated that
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NASCAR is going to go to either a three or four race final
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round, right? Isn't that fair?
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That's essentially been insinuated through NASCAR media,
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through through high level sources that that's where NASCAR
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is going to go for 2026. Which by the way, I'm, I'm all
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for that. I actually like some semblance
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of the playoff. But also if you're going to go
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back to 36 races and the fans are happy, I I can't be mad at
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that. Look, I've just been following
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NASCAR hardcore the last four years.
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And even when I covered NASCAR and Lansing, MI back in O6 and
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O7, I mean, the Chase started in what, O 4?
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That's when I first got into TVI remember, I remember discussing
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the Chase in 2004. That was my first TV job in the
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Upper Peninsula of Michigan was essentially the fall of of 2004.
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So I just think this is fascinating and I give NASCAR a
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lot of credit. I don't think, and I want to
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hear from you guys. I'm going to go to the chat.
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I appreciate all you guys watching, 130 of you watching
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live. I don't think this coming out
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today is a coincidence. What was the big story
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yesterday? The big story yesterday was a
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fourth straight week of declining ratings, TV ratings
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for NASCAR playoff races. And I got in all these arguments
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yesterday online. I mean, Kenny Wallace even put a
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video out. We can talk about that later
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where there's some embellishment there about what I was saying.
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But my point is I give NASCAR credit for reacting to what the
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fans are are thinking and feeling.
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We can talk all the the time about fans complaining, right?
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There are going to be trolls, there are going to be people
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complaining. There are people that love to
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complain. And by the way, there are very
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reasonable people that have great comments.
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I read them all the time here on the Kenny Wallace YouTube
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channel. You guys put out very well
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thought out comments about what you'd like to see NASCAR change
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and I can tell you really mean it.
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Here's the deal, though. The way fans really complain is
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with their wallets, with their eyeballs.
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What really hits NASCAR in the pocketbook?
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What really slaps a league in the face.
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I mean, this is happening with the Saint Louis Cardinals this
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year. It's not just NASCAR.
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It's all over sports. Nobody's going to the Cardinals
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games. There is no better way to send a
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message. And I'm not even saying it's
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done by design all the time. Sometimes it is.
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I think baseball Cardinal fans are sending a message.
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I think there's some apathy and I've heard this from you guys
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with the NASCAR fan base, fans are sending a message.
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If you go to the races, which by the way, ticket sales are up a
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tick. I believe it was 6%.
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That article came out a couple weeks ago.
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We discussed that on Herman Trader.
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So, so tickets are up. That's good.
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But here's here's what it really comes down to in my opinion.
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Yesterday you had the 4th consecutive playoff race with
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with low TV ratings. And I've heard people say it's
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because of football. No, this is compared to last
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year, same time playoff races, similar playoff races.
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They're not always exactly the same because they changed the
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races. But the point is this is
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compared to going up against football season last year.
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We all know football's tough, especially NFL football.
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We know that's going to be always a, a a tough watch.
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By the way, also Charlie Kirk memorial memorial service this
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past Sunday. That's something different than
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years past. But this is not just a one week
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issue talking about Loudon. It's four straight weeks of
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declining TV ratings for the playoffs.
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And this is where NASCAR probably says this because I
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like the playoffs. But I understand if NASCAR is
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looking at the TV ratings and they're saying, well, wait a
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second. The whole reason we're doing
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playoffs is we're trying to create the excitement, the Game
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7 moments, whatever it is, the elimination scenarios, OK.
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And I think they're great. We just didn't get a lot of cut
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line drama this this year for the first cut off.
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Usually we do right. That's that's also part of this.
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That was the Bristol race, of course, with all the the
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craziness with the with the tire strategy, But usually there's a
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lot of cut line drama. I hope there's cut line drama at
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the Charlotte, Roeville coming up.
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That's what makes the playoffs really interesting for me.
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But the point is if NASCAR is saying, well, a lot of fans want
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the 36 race playoffs, the fans think it's more legitimate.
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The drivers think it's more legitimate.
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The old school important media voices, whoever it is, Dale
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Junior, when Tony Stewart, when people kind of talk about all
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this, they think it's more legitimate and oh, by the way
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that the TV ratings aren't helping us in the play offs.
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Well then sure, NASCAR should absolutely think about
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potentially going back to the 36 race playoff format.
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I just think it's a fascinating time to be a NASCAR fan or to be
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covering NASCAR because, and I could be wrong, I, I still think
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the root of the issue, NASCAR's main issue is the Next Gen. car,
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more so than the playoffs. But today the big news is the
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playoffs. That's what we're talking about.
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I will say this, this is a very small sample size.
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I put out a Twitter poll and I said could be skewed in light of
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today's big news. But as a NASCAR fan, what's more
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important to you? Fixing either the Next Gen. car
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or the playoff format? And again, this is only 35
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votes, very small sample size, but 74% of you have said fixing
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the Next Gen. car. And I, I also think we we need
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to follow the, the storylines. Again, when you talk about the
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important voices in NASCAR, I always say don't, don't listen
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to me. I mean, if you want to listen to
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me, that's fine. But think about Dirty MO Media,
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our fans, our friends over there at Dirty MO Media.
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What has been a big storyline the last the last week or two?
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How about how about a week or two ago, Dale Junior came out
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and said, has the Daytona 500 lost its luster because of this
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car? Because it's such a crapshoot,
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OK. And he said, back in the day,
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there would be a legitimate debate.
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Somebody would say, would you trade that Daytona 500 win for a
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championship? And Dale Junior said, well,
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nobody's having that conversation anymore.
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Tony Stewart has said that the Daytona 500 doesn't mean as much
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anymore. Just yesterday I saw a clip on
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door bumper clear where Freddie Craft asked Tyler Reddick, and
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Tyler Reddick said straight up, yes.
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He hates to say it, he hates to admit it, but because of the
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car, the Daytona 500 has lost its luster.
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That's the crown jewel event. As Dale Junior said a week or
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two ago, that's our Super Bowl. If you have less in the Super
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Bowl, what are we doing? And that's because of the car.
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Again, we're having two debates at the same time.
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My, my, my number one thing is always going to be the car.
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But today the news is the playoffs.
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And you guys are passionate about both of those things.
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And again, that poll that I just put out there, very small sample
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size, but 75% of you are thinking, hey, we'd rather see
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the car fixed than the playoff format.
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But I just think it's fascinating.
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And again, read Jeff Gluck's article I did, he puts out the
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five points and they're they're very, they're very interesting.
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I mentioned the TV ratings are falling.
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There was a discussion about superstar drivers and I think
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this is interesting. The reason I like the playoffs
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is because of the elimination style.
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But think about it like this, throughout the playoffs, you
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don't focus on the best drivers because what's all the drama
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about? The drama is about the cut line.
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And I think if you look this year, once we get to the final
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eight, I think you're going to really see 8 legitimate drivers
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that are deserving that have a chance to win the play offs.
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Maybe more like 5. But my point is at Bristol there
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wasn't cut line drama, but if there was, the focus was going
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to be on guys like Shane van Gisbergen, Austin Dillon, who
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else didn't make it? Josh Berry had a couple wrecks.
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You have you have another cut off race coming up in a couple
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weeks at Charlotte. Now we focus on who wins the
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races. Sure, we talked about Joe Gibbs
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dominating the first leg of the play offs.
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We talked about just this past week, of course, Penske coming
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back, Ryan Blaney wins the race. But throughout the play offs, a
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lot of the discussion is more about the back end drivers that
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get eliminated every three races.
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And so in this article and and NASCAR, I think they're thinking
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very smartly here. They're thinking how do we
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create superstar drivers? How do we how do we make the
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focus for the play offs on the superstars, on Denny Hamlin,
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Kyle Larson, whoever it is, William Byron, Ryan Blaney And I
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think this is apartment. The focus really isn't on the
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actual superstars, the guys that really have a chance to win the
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championship until the final two races, until Martinsville, where
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you're saying, OK, we're going from 8:00 to 4:00.
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And then you have that whole week, you have a media, you have
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a media week, right? You have media availabilities.
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But then that whole week is about the top 4.
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But it's kind of one week, right?
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It's kind of one or two weeks where NASCAR's argument is
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probably, well, if we want to make these guys superstars again
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and give Jeff Glock credit in his article, he brings up guys
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like back in the day that could host Saturday Night Live.
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He's talking about a Jeff Gordon.
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He's talking about a Dale senior, a Dale junior, Rusty
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Wallace, whoever, guys that could become superstars away
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from the track. And I agree with that.
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If you're trying to create superstars, you need the focus
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to be more on Denny Hamlin, Kyle Larson, Ryan Blaney, whoever it
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is, Christopher Bell for the majority of the 10 weeks of the
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playoffs and not just the final week or two.
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Because again, we're focusing mostly on who's getting
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eliminated in the round of 16, the round of 12.
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Again, the round of eight. I think it really gets more
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legitimate in the round of eight.
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And and look, I'll bring this up right now, but if you see who
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probably is going to make it to the round of eight, you start to
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say, OK, we're really we're really getting to the guys that
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really have a chance. We're really getting to the
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studs. Let's just think about it right
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now, OK? Right now the cut line is Bubba
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Wallace, Tyler Reddick, Austin Syndrich, Ross Chastain.
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Now Tyler Reddick made the Final four last year, hasn't had a
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great season this year. I would argue that Ross Chastain
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is right there knocking on the door to being a star.
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We know a couple years back there was kind of a neutering.
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Right when Rick Hendrick said I'm tired of him wrecking our
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cars. I thought that was bad for
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business. I think most people thought that
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was bad for business. But my point is, look at the top
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8 right now. Ryan Blaney, William Byron, Kyle
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Larson, C Bell, Denny Hamlin, Joey Logano, Chase Elliott,
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Chase Briscoe. Those are big name drivers.
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Those are the superstars of the sport.
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Chase Briscoe is the one guy who I'd say, and he's kind of
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elevating himself this year now that he's with Joe Gibbs Racing.
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But I mean, and, and so give Chase Briscoe all the credit in
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the world, but Blaney, Byron, Larson, Bell, Hamlin, Magano
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Elliott, those are the names. Those are when you go to the
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track, you see the merch, you see the fans wearing all those
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guys shirts, hats and all that. Those are the superstars.
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And that's what NASCAR wants more of the focus on in the
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playoffs as opposed to the cut line.
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So I think this is fascinating. We've gone 16 minutes and I'll
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you all. OK, Papa Paxton, we're going
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back here. Couple 20 minutes.
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Haven't seen the video yet, but the headline is hilarious.
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But it's true. NASCAR is considering a 36 race
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championship format. Mark Martin is excited this
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morning. All right, Zook 83 says please
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do. Ed Freeman says Mark, he knew
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earlier. I asked the question.
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I said who loves this news more than anybody and it's Mark the
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kid. Martin, as Kenny Wall says from
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Batesville, AR, he is smiling this morning.
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Louis Nado says about time they should go back to 36 races and
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earn it. Kendrick going to be great to
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crown a champion with three races left in the season.
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Some sarcasm there, but also that's greatness.
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If there's a driver who runs away with it, that's greatness.
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It's not going to happen every year.
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Sometimes you got to just bow down to greatness.
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Let's see. Brian Mccorchick, he always
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joins the live streams. I appreciate that it's a better
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way to determine a champion, but it has the chance to be boring
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and anti climactic. I agree, but I also, I mean
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NASCAR. They need to try things.
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I wouldn't mind them trying it and going back to the playoffs.
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Try it for a couple years. Right?
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Let's see James Barker. If NASCAR does away with this
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ridiculous point system, I might start watching again.
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How about that? Good time, says good morning,
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good morning. Let's see DC322.
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Martin was very vocal about the playoff format being a joke.
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I'm for the 36 race championship format.
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Let the best driver win. I hear that.
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I do like some semblance of the playoffs myself, but I'd like to
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see it more legitimate. So I don't want to see one race.
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I think it'd be cool if they go to 36 races just for something
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different after 2021 years, 22 years, whatever it'll be.
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But I also wouldn't mind them trying to trying the three or
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four race championship final and seeing if that changes things.
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We'll see. NASCAR couldn't fix a sandwich
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in the middle of a Subway restaurant.
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Come on now. I went to Subway a couple weeks
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ago, Brian says. I think with the parity and
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competition we have today, it should be compelling coming down
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to the final race. Still.
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I agree with that also, Brian. So you'll watch over a more
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fairpoint system even if the races aren't good.
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Well, that gets back to my original argument.
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I think fixing the next Gen. car fixes all of this.
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In my opinion, the core of this board is the racing.
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That's that's the biggest, that's the biggest issue.
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Martinsville looks like a total rain out.
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We're already looking ahead to the rain, to the weather.
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What is that about month and 1/2 from now?
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Chris Wolfe. The more important question is
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why you left Herman Schrader. I'm still I'm still producing
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Kenny conversations. Herman Schrader they got a new
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producer. It's all good.
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And hey, sometimes you have you have creative differences.
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It's all good. And this allows me to have all
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of my time devoted to the Kenny Wallace YouTube right, Building
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this up and Kenny Wallace Media, our own podcast, but Herman
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Schrader and Kenny conversations.
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You have great podcasts over there on Dirty MO Media as well.
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Boomer Taylor. I've been following NASCAR since
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the 70s. Shameless Trucking.
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It doesn't matter what NASCAR does until they fix the crappy
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car. That's always been my first and
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foremost point. I try to be nice about it.
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I try to be nice about it. I've I've held this opinion for
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a couple years now. That's the main issue.
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It's the core of the sport is the racing of the cars.
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That's it. There's nothing else that
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matters more. Joshua Roberts, Charlie M David,
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I don't care, I just like watching races.
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I love that Martinsville won't rain out lol.
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Unless it's for a hurricane. Tim Ferguson, yes, the
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championship, the Champions should be earned.
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Jesse James. Their TV schedule is ridiculous
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now. I've heard a lot of people
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complain about this too, and I think it's a valid I think it's
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a valid complaint. Are you talking about the fact
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they're on all different networks and they're jumping
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around Fox prime, NBC Turner, Is that what you're saying?
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All sports are going to that model that that's where the NFL,
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the NFL really has it made, though, because the NFL is on so
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much network television. You got Fox and CBS on Sundays,
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you have NBC Sunday Night Football.
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You have a BCESPN for I know it's ESPN, but Monday Night
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Football. I know they're doing the thing
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with prime on Thursdays. I get that.
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I get that. I'm I'm with you.
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I'm kind of old school, but I'm not super old.
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But look, I have to have all these streamings for my kids
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shows, but I get it. It's frustrating when you grab
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the remote and you got to go. Oh, you know what is it?
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What channel? USANBC, Fox Prime streaming.
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You got to switch remotes. You got the TV remote, you got
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the smart TV streaming remote. I get that.
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Unfortunately, that's the way all sports are going.
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And NASCAR got a big TV deal because they got all those.
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They got all those networks to buck up.
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By the way, while we're talking about the TV ratings, I thought
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this was fascinating. Yesterday I saw, I saw Denny
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Hamlin, I saw Corey Lajoie, I saw Eric Estep, who's really
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good here on YouTube, all discussing the ratings yesterday
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and how to fix it. All these guys want to fix it.
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And one thing they brought up was they thought that because
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the TD partners had to put so much money into getting the
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races that there wasn't as much money leftover for all of the
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programming to support the races, which I think is a very
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interesting point. Go to Eric Estep's tweet
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yesterday and you'll see Denny Hamlin and Corey Lajoie weighing
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in. I think that's interesting.
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So the point is, you can't just have the races.
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This is where Prime knocked it out of the park.
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Prime had the the great pregame, the hour long post game.
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It was fun, right? This is where people are talking
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about you need to have race day. You need to have a show
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throughout the week supporting the races, not just pre game,
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pre race, post race, but throughout the week, programming
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that gets you promoting the sport throughout the week from
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race to race. I've seen people discuss Sunday
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Night Football, NBC, that they need to mention the races, even
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if it's on, even if it's on USA. I mean, that is a huge audience.
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Sunday Night Football just to kind of have a quick little
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promo, remind people that NBC has the playoff races.
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I think these are all valid concerns.
23:52
And again, this is yesterday. Denny Hamlin, Corey Lajoie, Eric
23:56
Eastef, a lot of people talking about this yesterday.
23:59
I think it's good. It's good healthy conversation
24:01
about the TV ratings, which then spins into today's news about
24:05
NASCAR still considering the 36 race championship format.
24:09
And again, I don't think they consider this if the TV ratings
24:13
are good. I don't, that's my opinion.
24:15
I don't think they consider this if the TV ratings are the same
24:18
as last year or better. I think they're reacting to a
24:21
month's worth of low TV ratings for the play offs.
24:26
I'll reiterate what I said earlier.
24:27
If the whole point of play offs is creating the excitement, the
24:31
Game 7 moments and you're not getting those and the TV ratings
24:35
don't reflect that, well then yeah, you have to consider
24:38
everything. You have to consider going back
24:40
potentially to the 36 race championship format.
24:44
That will get Mark Martin super excited.
24:47
Let's see, Kendrick says. There have been great teams that
24:51
haven't won a Super Bowl or championships when they should
24:54
have. That's just the way it is.
24:55
The team that does the best on championship game day wins.
25:00
Chris, what do you mean he left them?
25:02
No, he was talking about Herman Trader.
25:05
I'm no longer producing Herman Trader, but I produce
25:08
everything. I produce Kenny Conversations.
25:11
I'm still working with the folks at Dirty MO Media.
25:13
I'm still working with the producer, Craig, great guy.
25:16
I'm still helping everybody out. That's just what it is, is it's
25:19
taking hours from my week, whatever it is.
25:22
Nobody cares about this. But if I was working 15 hours on
25:25
Herman Trader, I can now take that 15 hours and put it back
25:28
into the Kenny Wallace YouTube channel and put it back into the
25:32
Kenny Wallace Media podcast. That's that's the point.
25:35
I bootleg races on Twitch. I don't, but I get it.
25:41
I have to say I'm not going to. I'm not going to name any names.
25:44
I'm not going to say I would do this.
25:45
But there are apps out there where you can take a paywalled
25:50
article and dump it into this app and it removes the paywall.
25:55
That's all I'm saying. I know these apps exist.
25:58
I know these websites exist. I'm not saying I would ever use
26:00
them. I'm just saying they exist.
26:03
And I have to say so maybe Dana White is going to sue me for
26:06
this. There has been a time, there's
26:09
been AUFC fight, a big boxing match.
26:12
And again, not me, I'm not saying I would ever do this, but
26:18
you might go to Twitter and you might just kind of search, fight
26:22
stream, fight illegal stream and maybe something comes up.
26:27
Again, I'm not saying I would ever do this.
26:29
I'm saying people have done that.
26:31
It is possible, OK? That's all I'm saying, Boomer
26:35
Taylor says. I've been following NASCAR since
26:38
the 70s. Playoffs are for baseball.
26:40
A continuous point system and championship, as it was under
26:43
Winston Cup, is what built NASCAR and what will bring it
26:46
back. I love it.
26:47
I hope it's I hope it's the case.
26:49
I wonder if they're going to do this.
26:52
When you get it out there, you get fans excited.
26:55
Let's see Tim Ferguson. All playoff races should be on
26:58
regular TV so everybody can see them.
27:01
Why should we pay to watch NASCAR?
27:03
That's fair, David, we got too many low T crybaby men that are
27:10
harder to please than a woman. Women can be hard to please
27:14
sometimes, right? Sometimes.
27:19
Let's see, it's on USA. Ed Freeman says it's on USA and
27:23
against college Pro Football. How is a driver with 120 point
27:26
lead going to improve ratings versus 4 drivers within 25
27:30
points? Just saying.
27:32
All valid points, Jim Hubbler. Hubbler.
27:37
I can't be the only one that knows NASCAR is just in this
27:39
business for the money. Well, first of all, everybody's
27:42
in business for money or or to entertain, to do good things.
27:47
Let's be honest. Do you go to work for fun?
27:50
Do I do these videos for fun? Yeah, they're fun.
27:53
Does Kenny, come on here? What?
27:54
Do you do it for free? Kenny loves NASCAR.
27:56
I love NASCAR. This is a job also.
27:59
You're doing it for money. Would you go to your job every
28:01
day, five days a week, 40 hours a week if you weren't getting
28:04
paid? Let's be real, Everybody's in
28:07
it. This is capitalism, baby.
28:09
You're in it to make money. And guess what?
28:12
NASCAR changes their decision making when their money is
28:16
affected. Lower TV ratings affect the
28:19
money. Higher TV ratings affect the
28:21
money. They just did the huge $7.7
28:24
billion TV deal. These leagues are, they're
28:28
already looking forward to the next deal.
28:30
They're already looking forward to the next deal.
28:32
How do they turn 7.7 billion into 10 billion or whatever the
28:35
next TV deal? You know how you do that?
28:38
Higher TV ratings, higher TV ratings.
28:40
So next time you go, hey, our ratings used to be whatever
28:43
million .5. Now it's 2, whatever.
28:46
That's how you get 10 billion for your next TV deal.
28:50
James Barker too many illegitimate champions.
28:55
See, I don't, I don't think of them as illegitimate champions.
28:58
I understand why you would say that they were the best at the
29:02
format. I, I will say, I will say it's
29:06
not the best way to crown a champion, but I'm not going to
29:09
fault Joey Logano and Penske for being clutch when it matters the
29:12
most, Right. Everybody says, oh, Joey Logano,
29:15
he didn't do anything for 26 races.
29:17
Well, he did enough to get in and then he did the best over 10
29:21
races. And I don't love the format.
29:24
I would not call any of these champions Logano, Blaney,
29:29
Logano. That's the order I would not
29:32
call. And whoever wins this year, I
29:34
would never call them an illegitimate champion.
29:36
I would not. However, I will say it's not the
29:39
best way to crown a champion. I think that's fair Kendrick.
29:46
No matter what you do, you aren't going to please everyone.
29:48
They don't like playoff format. Then when championship is won
29:51
with three races left, they will be mad that it's not exciting.
29:53
I get that, but it's more about the majority of people what they
29:57
want. David.
29:59
And without the money there wouldn't be a race.
30:01
So true. Roscoe Treat Over the last 40
30:05
years I have followed NASCAR. I believe when they introduced
30:08
the Chase for the Cup, I thought it was cool, but I was still
30:10
slightly younger then. Now that all these years passed,
30:14
it has failed. I don't mind them trying
30:17
something. Jim Hubbler.
30:21
They don't care about the drivers, the owners or the fans,
30:23
just the money. Well, I think they care about
30:27
all of it. They probably don't like being
30:29
sued right now by a couple teams.
30:31
I do think. I think they care about the
30:33
fans. I do.
30:34
Do they care about the money? Every business carries about
30:37
money the most. But if you care about the fans,
30:40
the money comes and I think they've listened to you fans.
30:43
First of all, they're listening to the fans now and the TV
30:46
ratings, which is money. They're listening to you and
30:49
saying we might go back to 36 races.
30:51
They listen to you fans and said, hey, let's go back to some
30:53
of the tracks. The Bowman, Gray's, the North,
30:56
Wilkesboro, Rockingham, They're listening to you fans.
31:00
Don't you think they're going into new markets?
31:03
Saint Louis has a cup race. We love it here.
31:05
It's fantastic. They're trying things.
31:07
Mexico, they tried the the Clash in LA, they're going to move
31:12
that around. They're trying Rd. course, St.
31:14
courses, Chicago, San Diego. I give them credit.
31:17
Not everything's going to work. You got to give them credit for
31:19
trying. And some of those races have
31:21
been really, really cool. I think not everyone's a home
31:23
run. A lot of them have been really,
31:26
really cool. Let's see Shameless Trucking get
31:29
the car back up off the ground make the car travel high
31:33
horsepower lack of tire if you have to make it or they actually
31:36
have to drive the damn thing. Yeah, again, that's that's my
31:39
number one thing I've said this all along.
31:40
I've been very consistent for two years.
31:42
Fix the car. Everything else falls into place
31:46
make it racier. I miss speed weeks good time.
31:51
The next generation car is trash and this modern format is a
31:54
dumpster fire. That's from Roscoe Treat harsh
31:57
words. Lee Page Get rid of the green
32:00
white checkered. The drivers will start driving
32:02
better and not give them an opportunity 3 or 4 different
32:05
times to win a race. I think there's a happy medium
32:08
there. I think green white checkereds
32:09
are also exciting. I don't want six of them, but
32:13
yeah, I mean, is there a manufactured excitement out of a
32:15
green white checkered? Yes, that's fair.
32:19
Ultimate 3 gamer yes. The reason why they're on so
32:23
many networks right now is because they took the bag and
32:26
ran with no regards for fan complaints.
32:29
Well, you got to take the bag. They took the TV bag.
32:33
TV wants ratings. TV.
32:35
You don't think TV wants ratings to sell ads?
32:38
TV wants the ratings to improve. I'm telling you this, this live
32:42
stream I'm doing right now is because they're listening.
32:45
NASCAR listens to you by you not watching the races.
32:49
That's how they listen. Good times.
32:52
Says too many educated idiots making decisions for NASCAR.
32:55
Keep it simple, David. Can you imagine the Truck Series
32:59
championship going to anyone other than the stud winning it
33:02
all, talking about Corey Heim? Yeah, that's some of these
33:07
years. You do think, man, if Corey Heim
33:11
doesn't win the championship this year, there are some years
33:14
where it's just like, you know what?
33:16
Give it to the dude. Just give it to the dude.
33:19
He's freaking earned it. Corey Heim has nine wins this
33:23
year. Remember a couple years back,
33:26
wasn't it Noah Gregson that won a ton of races, but he didn't
33:28
win the championship when Ty Gibbs wasn't?
33:30
Wasn't it the year Ty Gibbs won it, but Noah Gregson was the one
33:33
who won a million races that year in Xfinity?
33:36
It happens. I do think when you have
33:39
dominance, when you have a dude win 98910 races, that dude
33:43
deserves to win the championship.
33:44
Sorry Roscoe Treat, I missed Daytona speed weeks and hate
33:50
these portable tracks along with crapshoot Rd. courses.
33:54
I'd I'd probably take a less less of a road course schedule.
33:57
I also think you need to spread them out.
33:58
I'd probably take one less Rd. course.
34:01
I don't really like Rd. courses either.
34:03
I like street courses though and I thought Coda was a good race.
34:06
But overall I'm not a fan of Rd. courses.
34:09
I'm an Oval guy, barn burner gaming.
34:13
Every single race would be a playoff race.
34:15
If it's a 36 race season, every single race is part of your
34:17
championship. I agree.
34:20
Now a lot of you, I don't even know if I can get to all you
34:22
guys. There's a million comments and I
34:25
really appreciate it. Roscoe treat.
34:28
The segments are garbage. What about this though?
34:32
I like the ability to go to the bathroom during a stage.
34:35
I kind of like stage racing. However, what if you just keep
34:39
them running? You pay the lap, but you keep
34:42
them running so then a driver who has a big lead can hold on
34:46
to that lead. I think that's more fair.
34:49
Tim Ferguson, if they're not going to eliminate the play
34:52
offs, I think the regular season champion should be automatically
34:55
put in the final race of the year because he earned it.
34:57
I'm for that, I'm for that You win, you're in is also trash.
35:03
I think that does that does create a lot of excitement
35:05
during the regular season, though.
35:07
I'm not totally against that. What about if you win 2 races?
35:11
You're definitely in two races Because I think some of the
35:15
superspeedway luck isn't super fair, but it also creates a lot
35:20
of good storylines. Good time.
35:24
Remember guys, most drivers are told not to speak other than
35:27
what they're told to say. But that's another thing NASCAR
35:30
needs to change. Can't we all agree?
35:31
You want more of the old school? You want more guys talking,
35:34
talking smack, maybe some fights.
35:38
That's good for business. Denny Hamlin talking trash.
35:41
That's good for business. Roscoe Treat, regular series
35:47
champion, is the season winner. That is all that matters.
35:50
Not everyone deserves a trophy. DEI and Woke has destroyed the
35:53
sport. James Adney says I'll go back to
35:57
watching NASCAR. I'm guessing he's saying if they
36:00
go back to the 36 race championship format, as it
36:03
should be. Ben Gerrard.
36:06
Let's see, gosh, there's so many of you guys commenting.
36:08
I really appreciate it. I don't know if I can get to all
36:10
you guys because this is a lot. I'm trying.
36:13
Hey, as long as you're watching, I'll keep going.
36:16
I'll keep going. Here we go.
36:18
Let's go back 936. I'm 18 minutes behind on the
36:22
chat. I appreciate you guys jumping in
36:25
though. That's why we do these, to talk
36:27
with you guys. Tennessee Smokey The NASCAR Cup
36:31
Series championship should be based on the race teams, which
36:33
demonstrate week in and week out that they're worthy of being the
36:36
NASCAR Cup Series championship. Period.
36:40
Jimmy Howard Let's be crystal clear.
36:43
If the 23 won the championship under this format, it would be
36:46
the greatest format ever. NASCAR executives and woke
36:49
sponsors would be licking themselves like a cat talking
36:52
about Bubba Wallace. I don't know about that.
36:56
I think Bubba is good for business too.
36:58
I understand all the stuff back in the day with the noose I I
37:02
think I think he gets a lot of hate that he doesn't deserve
37:05
also. But that was a spectacle.
37:08
I think we can all agree Jeremy Gilley.
37:10
Other sports have play offs yes. However the teams aren't
37:14
competing against every other team on the field every week.
37:16
Motorsports can't be treated like stick and ball sports.
37:19
That's fair. Max Smith says yes. 36 race
37:22
championship. Maybe put the whole weekend on
37:26
one TV channel. I will say this, the Xfinity
37:29
ratings have been pretty good. You tell me guys, that's on what
37:32
The CW network. Do you guys like the fact that
37:35
you can count on Xfinity being on CW every Saturday, network
37:40
TV? It's also great racing.
37:43
A lot of people think Xfinity racing is better overall racing.
37:46
Not better drivers, but better racing because of the car.
37:50
That guy. When you talk about points
37:52
leaders for 36 races, you create superstars.
37:54
Talking about them for two races after you forgot they won the
37:57
second race of the year makes ghosts.
37:59
I agree, and I said that earlier.
38:02
Donnie S Bring back the Chase. If we had it, we would watch an
38:05
extremely close battle between Briscoe and Blaney.
38:08
How about that? That's fair. 1-2 playoff format
38:13
is done. All drivers, every race is in a
38:16
playoff. Jimmy Howard as far as ratings.
38:20
The sport is so sanitized, is too sanitized and vanilla.
38:24
You want to see rivalries ever again.
38:26
They want all the drivers to get out of their car after the race
38:28
and hug and kiss five star. Yeah, that'll shut up the cry
38:34
babies until next year when the champion doesn't win a race.
38:37
That would be that would be difficult.
38:40
That would be difficult, especially with the parody.
38:43
So many different winners. Why can't they have season
38:46
champion plus the playoffs after champion?
38:51
I kind of like this idea. You know, I was thinking about,
38:55
I was going WWE, remember back in the day, probably still I
38:59
don't watch WWE anymore. Remember they had the WWE
39:02
Heavyweight Champion of the world.
39:05
Then also they had the Intercontinental, the
39:08
Intercontinental belt. Remember that?
39:09
They probably still have it. I don't know, just a way to have
39:12
another championship. I was kind of thinking about
39:14
that. You have the season long points
39:17
winner, you have the playoff winner, but also the season
39:23
would matter more. You race differently, probably
39:26
couldn't do that in racing. You would race totally different
39:29
if you're racing for a season long championship or if you're
39:32
racing for an elimination style. You'd take more risks obviously
39:38
to win a race in elimination style format, whereas the season
39:42
long of course reward you for consistency.
39:44
Race in race out. You're really penalized for bad
39:48
performances, whereas you're not really penalized that much for a
39:52
bad performance with this format.
39:53
If you if you DNF whatever you want to race, you're in the
39:57
playoffs. Let's see Misses or Mr.
40:05
Asmussen. The one or two weeks at the end
40:08
of the playoffs aren't necessarily superstars.
40:10
They may have been 30th place finishers one or two weeks at
40:15
the end. I mean, even Joey Logano, if
40:18
you're saying Joey Logano isn't deserving, he's still a
40:22
superstar. I mean, he's a, what, three time
40:25
champion? How many wins?
40:26
30 plus wins? He's going to be a Hall of
40:28
Famer. I understand if you say in one
40:30
particular year you thought it wasn't the most legitimate deal.
40:33
I get that. But I don't think you can say
40:35
Joey Logano himself is not a superstar.
40:39
We got grim prospects. The season long point system can
40:42
still use stages and bonus points to keep it exciting while
40:45
rewarding the drivers and teams that do the most work and get
40:48
the best results. To me, it's a no brainer.
40:50
By the way, thank you again for watching 41 Minutes.
40:53
We're going got 135 of you watching live on YouTube.
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We're going to replay this on the Kenny Wallace Media Podcast.
41:04
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41:05
I want to see how many people have watched total.
41:08
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watched this since we started about 41 minutes ago.
41:16
Robert Das Daisy says bring NASCAR back to Wisconsin.
41:23
Carrie Faber. I love Prime.
41:25
I did too. I thought Prime was great.
41:27
And Lee Page, I love the prime TV.
41:29
The bet they had the best out of all of them yeah we're kind of
41:32
going back here. I'm I'm 20 minutes behind on the
41:34
chat so we're kind of we're kind of bringing up things I talked
41:37
about 20 minutes ago but it's fine because so many people have
41:40
you have commented that I have to go backwards.
41:43
Just delightful. A single streaming solution
41:46
would help most yes, but then you couldn't squeeze the most
41:49
money out of what 4 different networks you're able to and I
41:54
say squeeze with love it's money, it's capitalism.
41:56
You're able to squeeze the dollars out of Fox.
42:00
NBC Prime. Turner I feel like I'm milking
42:04
cows here with the utters. That's how you maximize your TV
42:07
deal and you have the different partners broadcast networks
42:12
bidding against each other. Dwight Hall NASCAR needs one TV
42:17
channel available for everyone. Donnie S Prime actually took the
42:21
sport seriously. Just delightful, says Eric talks
42:25
to everyone like we are children.
42:26
Eric Eastup I like him. I think he's pretty factual and
42:30
matter of fact. Lee Page says get rid of the
42:34
stages also. Then the teams can have
42:35
different strategies instead of NASCAR determining their
42:38
strategy. Yeah, that also gets back to the
42:40
car with me if you fix the car. Somebody said this in a comment
42:43
earlier, which I think was really a good comment.
42:45
They said, they said they like strategy in NASCAR, but because
42:51
of the car, they said there's too much focus on a particular
42:55
race of a fuel saving strategy or a tire strategy because of
42:59
this particular car. They're saying they like
43:02
strategies. They don't like the fact that a
43:04
particular race is totally dictated by a tire strategy or a
43:09
fuel saving strategy because of the car.
43:11
And I think that's a very good point.
43:14
Somebody said that earlier, I don't remember who either on
43:16
this chat or on YouTube, and I thought that was very smart.
43:20
Somebody says I'm watching cockroaches blank.
43:24
It's more entertaining. I'm not going to put up your
43:26
swear word, OK, But I do enjoy cussing.
43:30
Fred Hagif. Fix the car, then go from there.
43:33
The playoffs, I think it should be at least 8 drivers battling
43:36
for a championship. The final four has run its
43:38
course. Thanks, Charlie.
43:39
OK, I'm agreeing with you there. Fix the car first.
43:42
Everything else falls into place.
43:43
But I was thinking about this when it was floated out that you
43:47
could have like a six race, 66 driver final for three or four
43:54
races. I still kind of like the
43:56
elimination though. What about this?
43:59
You want all the drivers to be able to battle at the end.
44:01
What if you did this though? Let's go four race championship.
44:04
Let's say we're not going back to 36 races.
44:06
Let's say we're going to four race championship.
44:08
Final start with six drivers, but you still eliminate the last
44:13
place driver after each race. So third race you got 5 drivers
44:19
going for it. Second to last race, you have 4
44:23
final race, you have three drivers going for it.
44:26
Now you can also start with seven, then you can still get
44:29
your final four. My point is you still eliminate
44:33
1 driver, but the drivers left the last three or four in this
44:37
scenario would still encompass all of their performances over 3
44:42
or 4 races, so it's more fair. What do you guys think of that?
44:45
I don't know, just think it out loud.
44:48
Carrie Faber, I don't like that the in car camera went to H Bo
44:51
Max. I'm not grading upgrading my
44:54
plan to watch, but I miss watching Ross's in car.
44:57
Yep, Noah's athletics says it's not a playoff, it's a race off.
45:02
Call it what it is please good Sir.
45:06
Just delightful. The format won't fix it alone.
45:09
Dumping races on USA Network is at least half the problem.
45:12
I understand people complaining about TVI get it?
45:15
We said that earlier. Tennessee Smokey This version of
45:18
the NASCAR Cup Series car is lacking seriously in competitive
45:20
performance. The cars are slower on most of
45:22
the speedways, qualifying and fastest lap averages.
45:25
Race fans want speed. Yes, I've said this forever fix
45:29
the car first. Everything else falls into
45:31
place. Samuel Farish 36 race season is
45:35
a win. Thank God, says Todd.
45:38
Bring back the old school to the sport.
45:41
Jimmy Howard says before every race on big screen.
45:44
Mike H, Robbie P boys have at it.
45:48
The crowd would go wild. Boys have at it.
45:53
Going back to oh, Robin Pemberton days.
45:55
Yes, Robbie P we got Toby has people become complete morons
46:02
with the TV. The first part of the season is
46:04
on Fox and FS1, then five races on Amazon, then five on TNT,
46:09
then the last stretch is USA and NBC.
46:11
It's not rocket science. Well, I will say for this
46:15
format, you obviously you got network there.
46:17
If you want to go old school rabbit ears, you got cable with
46:21
FS1, with TNT with USA and then you got streaming with Amazon.
46:26
So three different platforms, cable, network and streaming.
46:32
But yeah, like you said, that's what that's how many different
46:35
channels, FOX, FS1, Amazon, TNTUSA, NBC.
46:44
Are any of the Turner races on TBSI?
46:45
Can't remember. I'm not sure.
46:49
Let's see. John Haas need Kenny and
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Junior's opinion about having race and Victory Lane show every
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week. I think NASCAR though, should do
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like SMI does with Kenny and Junior, especially for the 500
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and championship race. I like that idea.
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By the way, we're 47 minutes in. One of the reasons I started
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this live stream also is because you know Kenny does his coffee
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with Kenny's. I haven't checked here in the
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last 47 minutes. We'll see if Kenny's done one.
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I also I need to jump off this and edit his.
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There you go 28 minutes ago. Coffee with Kenny is NASCAR
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going back to 36 points races, So I know you guys want to hear
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from Kenny more than me. I get it.
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So I'll wrap this up in a second here and I'll post Kenny's video
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because you want to hear from Kenny.
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Don't watch it on Twitter, don't watch it on Facebook, watch it
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on YouTube. See, it's all about the money.
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It all comes down to money. I have to say, Jeffrey King, I
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want a 10 race chase between best 10 drivers and after 26 add
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extra points for wins per race. Tell you what, I'll go 2 more
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minutes to make it 50 minutes because I got to get Kenny's
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video on. Blake Brewer says I love Lamp,
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just like Anchorman Steve Carell's character, I love Lamp,
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just delightful. I would pay for a singular app
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for all series, but I'm not doing 10 apps so instead I sail
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the high seas. Try Spider.
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Would love to see the whole series on Prime.
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No more starting late because another sporting event ran over.
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No more cutting off post race interviews because the race ran
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late Prime for every race. John Haas says 100%.
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Toby you guys are talking to each other.
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Roscoe Treat NASCAR might work better if they provide their own
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channel like Fox does with SPEED.
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Let's see. Just delightful.
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Kenny just lectured us so we could go that NASCAR is fine
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coming after Kenny Wallace. Hey, Kenny Wallace took shots at
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me yesterday, OK, a week ago. Kenny also likes to have fun,
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OK, we embellish sometimes we have fun.
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It's comedy, right? You take one comment that's bad,
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you do a whole video on it. That's kind of what we do
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sometimes in the media business. But I feel like for the most
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part, we're fair. Aren't we talking to you?
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Pretty fair. Shooting straight with you here,
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Roscoe Treat. Unfortunately, Fox deliberately
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killed speed by becoming FS1. Did you watch the video, by the
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way, with myself and John Roberts about why Speed Channel
49:24
went away? It's on the channel, it's very
49:26
good. It's on Kenny Wallace Media.
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Check it out. Justin Kids, I haven't had no
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interest in NASCAR for 20 years. I like Kenny's channel though.
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Thank you. This would get me interested.
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I would love to see the Cup Series go to GT3 cars.
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There's some typos in there. Lisa Jones.
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Thanks, Charlie. Love the info.
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Why can't they figure out what works?
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They need better customer service.
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Lol. They're listening, you guys,
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folks. They're listening, though.
49:52
They're trying things. OK Justin Bean says bring back
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the top ten final races. All right, 50 minutes.
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I really appreciate you guys. I mean, heck, there's another
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20-30 comments I couldn't get to you and that's a good thing
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though because 115 of you still watching.
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I really appreciate it. I just couldn't get to all the
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comments. I went 50 minutes.
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I appreciate you all, but I want to put Kenny's opinion out there
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because I know you care way more about that then you do my
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opinion. It's all good.
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All right, love you all. Peace out comment like
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subscribe. We'll see what happens.
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We'll see if they do this. NASCAR considering still a 36
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race championship format end stream.