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- 0:00Break Fix's History of Motorsports Series is brought to you in part
- 0:04by the International Motor Racing Research Center, as well as the
- 0:07Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of
- 0:11Commerce and the Arge Singer family.
- 0:16On this episode of the Logbook, we opened with a figure whose
- 0:20career doesn't just intersect with American sports car racing history.
- 0:24He's documented it.
- 0:26Mark Raffauf has spent more than five decades inside the heartbeat of
- 0:29the International Motor Sports Association, better known to us as imsa.
- 0:33Shaping its rule book, guiding its evolution and preserving its
- 0:36stories with the clarity of someone who lived every chapter from the
- 0:40inside, from his earliest days.
- 0:42Working alongside John Bishop, IMSA's, founder and former SECA President and
- 0:46a driving force behind the I-M-R-R-C at Watkins Glen Mark witnessed the
- 0:50organization's rise from a bold idea to one of the most influential
- 0:54forces in global motor sport.
- 0:56His path through technical leadership, car regulation, development, and
- 0:59event operations, places him among the few who truly understand how the
- 1:03sport grew, fractured, reinvented itself and ultimately thrived.
- 1:08In his Gene S Ainger keynote address, mark weaves together vivid anecdotes
- 1:12and precise historical detail tracing both his own colorful career and the
- 1:16remarkable 60 year arc of IMSA racing.
- 1:19It's a story of innovation, resilience, and personalities told by someone
- 1:22who helped write the rule book and later wrote the history itself.
- 1:26Mark is now IMSA's senior director of competition and
- 1:29co-author with Mitch Bishop of two definitive volumes on the series.
- 1:33IMSA 1969 to 1989, the inside story of how John Bishop built the world's
- 1:38greatest sports car racing series and imsa, 1990 to 99, the turbulent
- 1:44years of American sports car racing.
- 1:46Together, they formed the written counterpart to the perspective
- 1:49he brings on the stage tonight.
- 1:51So without further ado, here is Mark Raffauf giving us a guided tour
- 1:55through 60 years of IMSA's influence, evolution, and enduring legacy.
- 2:01So please welcome Mark Raffauf.
- 2:03Thank you.
- 2:07So I'm gonna try and give you 56 years of history in about 45 minutes.
- 2:11It's all visual.
- 2:12You don't have to read anything other than that logo.
- 2:14Which I was inspired last night at the theater watching the film about Cameron
- 2:20and Gene Ainger starting the racing here, and wanted to say that John and
- 2:24Peg Bishop, who are given the credit for founding IMSA with help from people like
- 2:29Cameron and Gene Bill France at nascar.
- 2:32They're from Cortland, jc, and Duke's father was the one that convinced John
- 2:36Bishop to become the executive director of the SCCA in the sixties, which
- 2:39under his oversight created the Canam.
- 2:42TransAm and Formula 5,000.
- 2:45The schism that was brought up earlier or in that film about pro
- 2:49racing drivers versus amateur racing drivers, and the attitude of the SCCA
- 2:52at that time is what had John resign.
- 2:55And shortly after that, he got a call from Bill France in Daytona.
- 2:59Bill, John Cameron all knew each other from Sebring, 24 hours of Daytona, SCCA,
- 3:06sort of sanctioning other major events.
- 3:08And I wanted to start with that because kind of it all started right here
- 3:12along with a lot of other things.
- 3:14And what I'm gonna try and talk about is the people, not just the individuals,
- 3:17but they had groups of people they surrounded themselves with really
- 3:20smart people, really enthusiastic, and a passionate people for five decades
- 3:25through various ownerships and so on.
- 3:27So I start with this.
- 3:28This is actually resides in the I-M-R-R-C.
- 3:31It is John Bishop's original artwork of the logo of IMSA from day one.
- 3:35It has a little water spot on the eye up there, so he was a little
- 3:38sloppy with his watercolors.
- 3:40Anyway, it all started with a phone call between these two guys, both France
- 3:43on the right, John Bishop on the left.
- 3:45They're sitting outside the turn four tunnel at Daytona.
- 3:48Bill called him up and said, we need to do a road racing program with a
- 3:52NASCAR business mindset behind it.
- 3:55Away they went.
- 3:55So what was first Pocono International Raceway?
- 3:58This is actually the cover of the program of the very first IMSA race at Pocono,
- 4:03which is on the little, I think it's an eighth mile oval on the Tri Oval area.
- 4:07And, uh, I don't know that John designed it, but I bet he
- 4:09had something to do with it.
- 4:10So we started with Formula Fords.
- 4:12Initially there were small ovals that worked out pretty good.
- 4:15So Bill Fran said, well, let's go to Talladega in
- 4:18Daytona with 50 formula Fords.
- 4:20That didn't necessarily work as well because they ran around in
- 4:23big packs and had huge accidents.
- 4:25So we said, okay, we're not doing that anymore.
- 4:27The same time they started a Formula V program.
- 4:29So IMSA's legacy and throughout its careers of five decades
- 4:34always had open wheel elements.
- 4:36John and the little staff at the time tried that.
- 4:38It was great racing until they crashed into each other, which all you needed
- 4:41was one guy to sneeze in the middle of the pack, and you had a 20 car pile up.
- 4:44So we decided that wasn't a good idea.
- 4:46You could see how it sort of generates into pack racing with these guys.
- 4:50Great stuff, but kind of scary.
- 4:51So what was the next idea?
- 4:53We need closed wheel cars.
- 4:55John decided he would take his background in TransAm.
- 4:57We'll take those Camaros Mustangs Javelins.
- 5:00We'll mix it up with F-I-A-G-T cars.
- 5:02Porsche nine elevens in this case.
- 5:04That's I think Peter, Greg being chased by Juan Montalvo and a
- 5:07two liter escort from Europe.
- 5:09These were little GT cars and we mixed 'em up with the big GT cars.
- 5:12And next thing you know, in 1972, there was the Camel gt, which RJ Reynolds
- 5:16Tobacco came in, recognized it as a good product and away that went.
- 5:20The other thing we did was we created a series for what
- 5:24was then the new little cars.
- 5:26So in this you got a Fiat, a Gremlin, a Mazda, a Pinto, and I
- 5:30think that's a Volvo in the back.
- 5:32But John was astute enough and IMSA was a student enough to realize
- 5:35all these manufacturers had no place to race their new product.
- 5:38So we created this and that's when little cars, but I think the
- 5:40first Honda to ever race in the United States was a civic and imsa.
- 5:44Most of these brands, BMW and others just grew from this
- 5:48into gt cars and bigger cars.
- 5:50The American manufacturers, we had the Pinto, the Gremlin,
- 5:53and other similar cars.
- 5:55And what was great about this, they were running on street tires.
- 5:58They took BFGs initially, good years, shaved them down to three 30
- 6:02seconds so they wouldn't fall apart.
- 6:04And you could run around Daytona as an example.
- 6:06Tom Wall, in about 1975, did a closed course record at Talladega
- 6:11at over 150 miles an hour.
- 6:13And an A MC Hornet on street tires.
- 6:15Street tires on race cars, not new, but running a whole series
- 6:18on 'em was a relatively new idea.
- 6:20So this grew great.
- 6:22It also provided the cars that could fill the back of the GT fields as
- 6:26that grew in 72 and 73, raced in the daytime, raced at night, and
- 6:30then we got into the mid seventies.
- 6:32By that point, people like Porsche, BMW Ford with their Capris.
- 6:37Most of the European manufacturers would build a limited run of customer race
- 6:41cars, Porsche Carreras or whatever.
- 6:43Back then, I think Porsche made about 5,009 elevens a year.
- 6:47I think GM made about 300,000 Camaros.
- 6:50So to equate a Camaro with a Porsche was a technical.
- 6:55Problem.
- 6:55So John, and this is his original artwork, decided to apply what the FIA applied
- 7:00to the European cars, to American cars.
- 7:03And he created more or less by himself all American gt.
- 7:06This happens to be a Vega, which was replaced rapidly by the Chevy Mazda.
- 7:11And that became the mainstay, along with John Greenwood's, big Corvettes
- 7:14to compete against the European brands.
- 7:17And that's really where IMSA's growth started in production
- 7:20car racing, which was GT cars.
- 7:22So that was the first A A GT car, which of course is a Vega.
- 7:26Looks a little bit like the drawing, but that didn't last long.
- 7:30And as back to more RS cars, this is a typical RS race at Daytona.
- 7:33In this same timeframe, car and driver Pinto is up there.
- 7:36Nick crawl, president of the SECA in the BMW in second, George
- 7:41Alderman who drove in the first formula forward race at Pocono is
- 7:44in the lead in turn one in the wet.
- 7:46Lebanza Al Holbert doing an engine change during the 24 hour race, a
- 7:51planned engine change, which wasn't really the best way to go about a 24
- 7:54hour race, but they did it anyway.
- 7:56We did Formula Atlantic.
- 7:57We co sanctioned the Formula Atlantic Series in the era of Vinu and Ray
- 8:02Hall and Elliot Forbes Robinson.
- 8:04The Canadians did the Canadian races.
- 8:06IMSA did the US races.
- 8:071976. This is I think, the ski rule car that's Vinu in the back.
- 8:12So this is 1976 Road Atlanta.
- 8:16Those of you who know the track will be stunned at what the place
- 8:19looked like in 1976, but you see Camaros, Porsches, la Manza.
- 8:24This was the Manza that first all around A A GT victory, Al Holbert in the car.
- 8:29There's four or five of these little two minute clips of video.
- 8:33And this wasn't video.
- 8:34This was film because video hadn't been invented yet.
- 8:37And just to show you what the tracks were like, what the cars looked like, and not
- 8:40just still pictures, but this car was the first mass produced tube frame race
- 8:46car before nascar, before anybody else.
- 8:4914 of those were built.
- 8:50By Decon and three or four other constructors built cars to the same rules,
- 8:55but they had six liter Chevys in the front of a Chevy Mazda in a tube frame chassis.
- 9:00But the car captured the look of the road car just as the CSL and
- 9:04the Corvette, which was the intent.
- 9:06Marketing wise.
- 9:06The cars had to look like what they were supposed to look like.
- 9:09But you can see here the front straightaway at Atlanta, there's no
- 9:11pit lane on the right as there is now.
- 9:13There actually was a stream over there where people would be periodically pulled
- 9:17out of the water and there we have it on.
- 9:20Al Holbert winning the first All American GT overall victory
- 9:23at Road Atlanta in 1976.
- 9:25Those were the two main antagonists.
- 9:27That's Michael Kaiser on the right with Milt Minner a lot of times, and
- 9:30Al Holbert who used Doc Bundy, a whole bunch of other drivers, but I didn't
- 9:34want to talk too much about that, but beautiful car people remember them
- 9:37today and still go, you know what?
- 9:39For something from the mid seventies, it's still kind of a
- 9:41current looking piece of hardware.
- 9:43That was the antagonist for everybody, which is the Porsche, RSR.
- 9:46This is Mike Kaiser before he got the Mazda.
- 9:49But this car was sold in 1974.
- 9:52Brand new three liter Porsche, RSR was $23,000.
- 9:55Of course there's inflation, but it still was a pretty good deal.
- 9:57The other great car, the air was the C-S-L-B-M-W.
- 10:00This came about.
- 10:01In 1975, the factory decided IMSA in the US was the place to race.
- 10:06So they gave up their touring car program in Europe and brought the whole mess.
- 10:10Ronnie Peterson, Brian Redmond, Zi, Alan Moffitt, they brought
- 10:13the whole factory deal over here.
- 10:15They came to Daytona, didn't do too well.
- 10:17Moved into Bobby Allison shops in Hueytown, Alabama, and converted the
- 10:20cars from European touring cars to NASCAR stock cars with triple door bars
- 10:25and stiffened them all up, and then became the cars to beat because of that.
- 10:28That's a typical, let's turn one at at Laguna in that same era, but Monza,
- 10:32Monza, BMW, Carl Schaeffer's, big Block.
- 10:34Camaro.
- 10:35Porsche.
- 10:35Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Charlie, Kemp's, Mustang, at
- 10:39the very top on the right, which was also an All American GT car.
- 10:42And then we decided we'd go stock car racing.
- 10:44So we invented American Challenge.
- 10:46This is Gene Felton in a Buick Skylark.
- 10:48We didn't know what we were gonna do with them, but we basically created a
- 10:51class, and I want to emphasize all of this stuff you see here, John Bishop
- 10:55and the staff at the time, we'd sit around and say, what do we need?
- 10:58To have for our product.
- 10:59Our product is entertainment.
- 11:01We're not here to set the world on fire.
- 11:02We're here to entertain people.
- 11:03Go to places like Road Atlanta and Road America and have people come and watch.
- 11:07This is all before television as well.
- 11:09So we created this, we ran 'em with our GT cars for a couple years, and then
- 11:12Kelly came along and we ran 10 years of.
- 11:15Of American stock cars, which NASCAR tried to do at the same time.
- 11:18Didn't court work out as well as ours did, but road racing stock cars was a new idea.
- 11:22Again, sat around one day and decided what do we need to do?
- 11:25We need something like that.
- 11:26We need these kind of cars to be on the racetrack in some way.
- 11:29Again, this is Riverside BMW's, out front Ford Capri behind Gaggle of Porsche's.
- 11:35Great shot of Bert's car.
- 11:36Beautiful cars, beautifully turned out.
- 11:39And then we got into group five.
- 11:40So now you see the beginning of the big wings and things, and the
- 11:43extended front splitters car in the back is Chris Cord's Mazda.
- 11:47The car in the front is David Hobbes and the McLaren BMW three 20.
- 11:50I turbo.
- 11:51Also a factory deal, but run out of McLaren in, in Detroit.
- 11:55Group five came along, and again, it was the same situation.
- 11:57The OE in Europe made nine 30 fives, a few of these BMWs, and
- 12:02then they became the dominant cars.
- 12:04John Bishop always wanted a product that the little guy private
- 12:09team could win the big races in.
- 12:10So Daytona Sebring, there had to be something that you were not
- 12:14dependent on a car company to have to have a car because after a year
- 12:18or two, those guys quit making 'em.
- 12:19So every generational shift technically in IMSA GT racing has been due to
- 12:24coming up with something new that would take the place of OE Manufacture built
- 12:29purpose race cars, and have it available to anybody who wanted to buy it.
- 12:33And that was an underlying theme for five decades.
- 12:37That's the other big monsters, the big Greenwood Corvettes.
- 12:39This particular car at Daytona in 1974 did 212 miles an hour.
- 12:44It pit in at Daytona.
- 12:45It's the size of a small house that has a 494 cubic inch
- 12:49cross ram Can-Am engine in it.
- 12:50It's got tires on the back big enough for a semi, but it was fast.
- 12:54How did that work against the Porsches?
- 12:55Technically everybody got 32 gallons of gas.
- 12:58So 250 miles at Daytona.
- 13:00This car was two to three seconds, a lap faster than most of the other cars,
- 13:03but had to make two more pit stops to get the fuel and what happened In the
- 13:07end, they converged, and the racing was really quite excellent because of that.
- 13:11Another great shot at BMW at Sebring in the old days where you
- 13:13could see between the car and the big airplanes, there's nothing.
- 13:17But that's the way it was.
- 13:18Gives you an idea.
- 13:19That's the winning car from 1975.
- 13:21But yeah, these constellations, DC sixes, DC sevens lined up there, they're
- 13:25basically cutting them up for scrap, but there's a little vestige of a snow
- 13:29fence there in front of the windscreen.
- 13:30But there's nothing between parked airplanes and the race cars.
- 13:34There's a shot from Daytona same year where.
- 13:36There's actually trees there, which of course have been long chopped up by
- 13:40spectators for firewood or whatever, but there's no more trees in Daytona.
- 13:44Another good shot of Chris k Manza, mid Ohio.
- 13:47Again, beautiful cars.
- 13:48This is now 1978 and this is a pretty important year technically.
- 13:54Two front row cars are factory 9 35 Porsches.
- 13:57One's a customer car, which is Kramer, and the other one is the martini factory car.
- 14:01Behind them are the two in all Terra GTP cars.
- 14:04GTP came about through a collaboration with the A CO and the Lamar people to
- 14:08develop a prototype car that a number of private constructors could build and
- 14:13powered by engines that anybody could buy.
- 14:16So those two cars are powered by Cosworth, three Liter Cosworth,
- 14:19kind of a dune Formula one engine.
- 14:21They actually did pretty well, but a lot of people don't understand that
- 14:24that was a collaboration with the A CO. It then led to bigger political
- 14:27issues in a few years with the FIA.
- 14:29But we'll get to that.
- 14:30So every time we came out with new cars, Daytona's the first
- 14:34race, it's the Super Bowl race.
- 14:36At no time did any new car.
- 14:38Beat the old cars at Daytona when they first came out until the
- 14:41DPI cars in the mid 20 teens.
- 14:44The car that won is a little 43 Hurley Haywood up there in the
- 14:47upper right Porsche Carre, RSR.
- 14:49It's been in the game since 1974.
- 14:52It's been four years and it's still a competitive, big race winning car.
- 14:55All this other stuff broke or crashed.
- 14:57So that's part of it.
- 14:58Again, another shot showing you.
- 15:00The first prototype of the turbo car is the Zero zero Car, which Interscope
- 15:04had, which was driven by Dan and Guy is Factory car, Kramer car, one of the GTP.
- 15:08In Alters.
- 15:09We talked about consequential racetracks, a couple shots from Lime Rock.
- 15:13This is before the Chica.
- 15:14When you have 850 horsepower going up a hill.
- 15:17Wish was, I hate to say, kind of normal.
- 15:19There's even a more dramatic one.
- 15:20These cars were, uh.
- 15:22Absolutely terrible to drive.
- 15:23You had to really be on your game.
- 15:25Very difficult to drive huge amount of power based on a standard nine 11 shell,
- 15:29kind of a flexible flyer until they got here and everybody stiffened them up.
- 15:32Huge rear tires, tiny, small front tires.
- 15:35Aerodynamically, eh, not that good either.
- 15:38In those days you could run a twin turbo set up, or a single
- 15:41turbo set up with two different specifications of weight because of lag.
- 15:45No electronics existed yet to control turbo lag.
- 15:48So two small turbos.
- 15:50Worked a little better, but the big one made more power.
- 15:53So this is a rare photograph of Peter Greg's two cars, that road Atlanta,
- 15:57trying to decide which one he would race.
- 15:59One's a single, one's a double.
- 16:00Then they morphed into, this is JLP three.
- 16:02They began to get Kramer body work, body work design in California.
- 16:06And I would say by 19 79 80, we'd have 15,930 fives on the grid.
- 16:12One BMW, one or two Ford Mustang Z speed cars.
- 16:15But of the 15,930 fives, no, two of 'em the same.
- 16:18Every team got the cars hot, rotted 'em, changed them.
- 16:22The rules then philosophically were, if it didn't say you couldn't, you could,
- 16:28they had dry ice in the inner coolers.
- 16:30They had fon sprays in the intercos for qualifying, and everybody said they
- 16:34were cheating and we're going, well, no, it doesn't say you can't do that.
- 16:37So they're just being a little more innovative than you are.
- 16:40Try it, see if it works for you.
- 16:41So it generated a lot of diversity.
- 16:43Hot rods.
- 16:44This is, uh, lagoon Deka.
- 16:46It's Ray Hall on the Nine and Fitzpatrick.
- 16:49Whittington Brothers Ford, Zach.
- 16:51Speed Mustang pretty evenly matched in speed.
- 16:53Down the back straightaway at Daytona.
- 16:55Little lock up there.
- 16:56Yo.
- 16:57But you could see Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Porsche,
- 16:59Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Porsche, Paul Newman, and a Nissan Ford.
- 17:03Somebody crashing the end all car.
- 17:05But again, we got to another point where if you didn't have a Porsche
- 17:099 35, which you could no longer get, you had to build one out of a wreck
- 17:13street car or something like that.
- 17:14And that's what they did.
- 17:15But we got to the point where it was all the same car with one or two exceptions.
- 17:19So we needed this GTP concept to generate.
- 17:23Something new, and that was the Lola T 600.
- 17:26Also, the first customer, GTP car built about 15 of those.
- 17:31That's J, that's the ultimate form of the the 9 35, which by then in 82,
- 17:3683 was running full ground effects.
- 17:39Still a rear engine car, but the only thing left that was a nine 11 would be the
- 17:42front windshield cow, and side windows.
- 17:44The rest of it, as you can see, is heavily different from a nine 11.
- 17:48Again, all allowed.
- 17:50Shot from Daytona.
- 17:51These cars were great.
- 17:52They had mechanical waste gates.
- 17:53They made all kinds of weird noises.
- 17:55Spectators love them.
- 17:56They burned a lot of excess fuel through the turbo, so every time you got off the
- 17:59engine, you got a big flame out the back.
- 18:02So it was kind of spectacular to watch these cars and hear them.
- 18:05They were not just a visual thing, they were a great sensory
- 18:09overload in every regard.
- 18:11RS cars.
- 18:12They're still around, running around on street tires.
- 18:14Now you see Dotson's Gremlins still Gremlins Mazda in the back, BMW 2002.
- 18:18This series created an entire industry of people that IMSA tried to establish
- 18:24early on who then made their entire lives their business in racing.
- 18:28Roger Mandeville with Mazda's, Amos Johnson, a number of people built
- 18:32their entire life and business.
- 18:34Starting with these cars, we always had a place or always wanted a place.
- 18:39And this series in particular, along later with the Firestone
- 18:42Fire Hawk series, provided a place for the average guy to go racing.
- 18:46You didn't have to be elite, you didn't have to have a lot of money, but you
- 18:50could go out, you could have a great time.
- 18:52And I wanna say up till this point, one of the things IMSA did
- 18:55was we paid everybody something.
- 18:57You might have won 50 bucks back then.
- 18:5950 bucks was two nights in a hotel room, so you could go to
- 19:02registration on Sunday afternoon and get paid in cash to get home.
- 19:07But we did that for a decade.
- 19:08It was a completely novel thought process that you would actually get
- 19:11paid to do this even if you were last.
- 19:14But that was the philosophy.
- 19:15We paid everybody and it was appreciated.
- 19:18You also got an apple at registration.
- 19:20When you went to get your credentials.
- 19:21You got Peggy Bishop would give you an apple.
- 19:23So that was kind of cool too.
- 19:24So this is a typical RS race at Daytona.
- 19:26Mob racing.
- 19:27The only thing that made it better than Formula Fours is they had fenders
- 19:30and the wheels didn't come off.
- 19:31So there was a lot, a lot of stuff about that, but there's probably 10
- 19:34different kinds of cars in that picture.
- 19:36But that was what it was all about.
- 19:37You know, little guys racing who then became big guys later on,
- 19:40and that was really important to us to make that possible.
- 19:44Road America First Race.
- 19:46Road America 500 took us a while to crack the Cliff Tufty wall as well.
- 19:51But finally they realized that if they wanted to do this,
- 19:54they had to have a bigger race than what they had at the time.
- 19:57But this is the Road America 501st year.
- 19:59See the crowd's great.
- 20:00The little BMW won that race 500 miles.
- 20:03It's the longest it ever ran and its entire career, which is pretty good.
- 20:07The pit lane, no speed limit.
- 20:09A lot of brave people in my opinion, but that's what it looks like.
- 20:13That's Fitzpatrick, leaving him from a fuel stop.
- 20:15But that's the old pagoda, which when, uh, Lee Hall, who was the president at
- 20:19the time, said they were gonna take it down, I volunteered to fly to Wisconsin
- 20:22so that I could light the fire on one end that would burn it to the ground, which
- 20:26was the easiest way to get rid of it.
- 20:28Mazdas were huge technical innovations with rotary engines.
- 20:31They provided a 330 horsepower car for virtually nothing in money
- 20:35compared to piston engines, and we had lots of 'em that's cant racing.
- 20:39Uh, Lee Mueller, Kathy Rud, another weird great car, the R
- 20:42five Turbo by Patrick, Chuck Mart.
- 20:44Unfortunately, he.
- 20:45Was killed in it at Midio testing, but this was one of the other interesting
- 20:50cars that Im SA fostered sometimes writing special rules for special
- 20:55manufacturers to enable them to be there.
- 20:57The Zak speed Mustangs, again, blowing a lot of unused gas out the exhaust pipe.
- 21:01Klaus Ludwig, Ray Hall, Kevin Cogan, great Cars, two liter turbos.
- 21:06It's gotten kind of complicated at this point.
- 21:08Some of the other fun things that happened.
- 21:10This is testing Fitzpatrick's nine 30 5K three the week before
- 21:14Lama on the highway in German.
- 21:16So the crews would go over and build up these cars at Kramer and
- 21:19then take 'em right to Lama, but you had to run 'em a little bit.
- 21:22So took it out on the Audubon, gave it a little stroll down the highway, right?
- 21:25With a Volkswagen next to it.
- 21:27So if you read the sign, let's see, Doman, yeah, calm, they
- 21:29were, weren't calm, basically.
- 21:31A lot of that stuff went on all the time.
- 21:33Sometimes here, but in Europe it was routine to get a cake
- 21:36plate, which is a Kramer plate.
- 21:37It was a dealer plate, but they just stuck it on the race car
- 21:40and took it out on the highway.
- 21:41So at this point, 82, we have three series.
- 21:44We have Camel GT Champion, spark Plug was the RS Cars.
- 21:47We had a 15 year relationship with that company.
- 21:4912 years with Kelly Kelly Services with the Kelly American Challenge.
- 21:53And at this point we started working with Skip Barber on this Barber Sob
- 21:56series Open Wheel Cars, which generated people like Diego Montoya, Juan Montoya,
- 22:01Brian hurt a lot of IndyCar people.
- 22:03Paul Tracy ran in Skip Barber's beginning Pro series, but that was just
- 22:08starting and we were just contemplating another shot of Road America.
- 22:11Crowds were starting to get quite large at this time.
- 22:14Late eighties, early nineties.
- 22:16The 9 35 kept morphing into more bizarre high speed.
- 22:19This is a Moby Dick version actually.
- 22:21It's the end dial car done in Preston Hens colors at Road America, which you could
- 22:25see it's quite a long way from a nine 11.
- 22:27It's flatter, wider.
- 22:29And then came this piece.
- 22:30This is the Lola T 600, which was the first production series built GTP car.
- 22:35Eric broadly told Brian Redmond, I need two orders.
- 22:39These cars cost $75,000 in 1981.
- 22:43Get me two orders and we'll build them.
- 22:44And they ended up building about 15 of them.
- 22:46This was run by Garson Enterprises who had run Porsches and basically Brian
- 22:50Redmond won the first race as a true ground effects car with tunnels, which
- 22:55was fairly new concept at that time.
- 22:58How differently the car could use the racetrack over a conventional car.
- 23:02The downforce and aerodynamic development, two biggest changes in
- 23:07this kind of racing in 40 years are tire development and aero development.
- 23:11The engines made 800 horsepower 45 years ago that no big deal.
- 23:14Cheaper to make that power these days.
- 23:16But arrow and tires is what move these kind of cars.
- 23:20And in some cases you'll see outside the boundaries of what
- 23:23the race tracks could handle.
- 23:24John and Bill France always had a theory that the car needed to be bigger than the
- 23:29track, and that worked until something.
- 23:31Bad happened and then you had to kinda rethink that philosophy.
- 23:34So by the late eighties, these kind of cars had morphed into going to every
- 23:39racetrack We went, for instance here before the bus stop, the end of the back
- 23:43strait away was about 210 Laguna Seca before they made the inner loop turned
- 23:48two up the hill at the bridge, 205.
- 23:51Mid Ohio, two 10.
- 23:52Every track we went to the cars were faster than Indy cars, and at
- 23:55the tracks we shared, like at Road America and Portland Cars actually
- 23:58did faster lap times in an Indy car.
- 24:00We were pushing that envelope by the late eighties.
- 24:03But again, some views very simple.
- 24:04This is kind of, those are familiar with Lola's.
- 24:06It's kind of like a Lola T 70 from the sixties tub with
- 24:11a six liter Chevy V eight.
- 24:12This is a Franz Lease Chaparral engine car.
- 24:1575 grand.
- 24:16The engines were like 35, 40 grand.
- 24:18So Porsche 9 35 when you could last buy one was well over $200,000 from Porsche.
- 24:24And this was a much more cost effective.
- 24:26Most of the teams that got these were not OE manufacturer
- 24:29related, but they were race teams.
- 24:31And when the business of racing and we were trying to create an environment
- 24:34where they could be successful as teams with sponsors and everything else.
- 24:38So we kept morphing to new cars and everybody says, well,
- 24:41how did you think of this?
- 24:43Pretty simple.
- 24:44We needed a car that was half the price that could perform as good or
- 24:47better than what already existed.
- 24:49And then we figured out moving backwards from that end point
- 24:52of how to get there techniques.
- 24:53And what was frightening is none of us were engineers, but there were
- 24:56simple pieces of this, which were, the engine had to be made available
- 25:00to anybody who wanted to buy it.
- 25:02Car had to have two distinct things.
- 25:04It had to carry 32 gallons of gas.
- 25:06The driver's feet had to be behind the center line of the front axles
- 25:09when the pedals were depressed.
- 25:11This was the era where India and F1 guys all had broken feet and legs
- 25:14'cause they stuck out and they were the first thing to hit the fence.
- 25:16And when they went into it.
- 25:17But you can watch this video from Laguna of how this car could
- 25:21just kind of drive around people.
- 25:22That's Danny and guys in a Porsche.
- 25:24He just drove by him like he was tied to a tree.
- 25:26That's John Paul.
- 25:27Same thing.
- 25:27He's taking an outside line and turn 10 that you don't normally do.
- 25:31You're in the inside and he just drove by and it's all because of the ground.
- 25:34There's another good shot of watch how it's squares off these
- 25:37corners compared to the Porsche.
- 25:39It just was an amazing revelation because people didn't realize what
- 25:43the impact of that technology would be until they saw it and went, oh.
- 25:47We need to get one of these.
- 25:49So that was sort of the end of the 9 35.
- 25:50This is the first race that the car raced in and it won.
- 25:53It started fifth.
- 25:55Brian Redmond worked his way through the field, not by going any faster,
- 25:58but the speed the car could run.
- 25:59You could run the whole race at, well, the nine 30 fives, the Fords, all
- 26:03those other cars had tire degradation.
- 26:05They had too much power on two back wheels.
- 26:07These cars have the right amount of power, the right weight and the arrow
- 26:11package just made 'em really good.
- 26:13Another limerock shot.
- 26:14This is, uh, one of the coolest cars we ever developed with
- 26:17Audi, which also became the biggest pain in the butt for us.
- 26:19But this is, uh, the Audi 90 GTO car, full tube frame, five cylinder inline
- 26:24turbo hunch Stook, Hurley Haywood, and occasionally Walter Royal, the
- 26:28rally driver, who even people like hunch Stook said when he showed up.
- 26:31I raced for second.
- 26:32The man was amazing.
- 26:33So this is Lime Rock again, doing wheelies up the hill.
- 26:36The intriguing thing was constant all-wheel drive car, which meant it
- 26:40applied the drive you wanted on each wheel based on the grip level that
- 26:44the car was sensing that it needed.
- 26:46It wasn't 20% front, 80% back, it was applying that drive to
- 26:51the wheels as it saw it needed.
- 26:53So the hard part of it was we started it out.
- 26:55Goodyear made 'em special tires.
- 26:5714 inches wide.
- 26:58We realized after a couple races, they didn't go to Daytona and Sebring because
- 27:01they didn't think they could finish.
- 27:02So.
- 27:03They started on 14th.
- 27:06We summed down two, three races, changed that to 12 and then changed it
- 27:10to 10, a couple races later, and the end result was, it made no difference.
- 27:13The 10 inch wide tires work just as good as the 14 inch tire.
- 27:17Part of the reasons and the learning experience for us was technically
- 27:20what's going on with a car like this is the tire degradation is way better.
- 27:25The load of slowing down is spread over all four wheels.
- 27:29The braking was much better.
- 27:30And the acceleration was phenomenal.
- 27:32And there's some video of people like Ook would just pass people in the dirt or
- 27:37the grass because the car could do that.
- 27:39So the rest of the guys are like, what's he doing?
- 27:40He just drove me around me on the dirt.
- 27:42So it was an amazing car.
- 27:43It is probably, in my opinion, one of the coolest, most technically
- 27:48advanced things that IMSA created.
- 27:50We did some other stuff, but this one was sort of a challenge
- 27:53for them and us to do this.
- 27:54They won the TransAm the year before with a car, an Audi 100.
- 27:58Made out of a real production shell.
- 28:00This has nothing to do with that other than the greenhouse
- 28:02silhouette and so on, so forth.
- 28:03But spectacular Car two remain.
- 28:06One is here in USA and one is in Germany.
- 28:08And the significance to Audi is when they just showed their first concept
- 28:11Formula One car, the car that's behind the Formula one car in their display
- 28:15is that car, not the R eight prototype.
- 28:18That's off to the side, but that car is right there.
- 28:20That embodies Audi's performance thing, and it's 1989.
- 28:24Pretty amazing what they were able to do and how they did it.
- 28:27So more pictures.
- 28:28Here's the L is now taken the front all the time.
- 28:32And then Bob Tulia showed up with Jaguars with Big V 12 engines.
- 28:36One of the only teams in history whose people were always dressed
- 28:38in white and never got dirty.
- 28:40Not sure how they did that, but I think they had enough uniforms
- 28:44in the truck that if you did, you had to go change right away.
- 28:46But yeah.
- 28:46How many people have white crew guys, you know, beautiful car.
- 28:50Lee Drester design actually originated by Mike Dale, who was the head of uh, Jaguar,
- 28:54USA, had nothing to do with England.
- 28:56They didn't want anything to do with it, so they did it here themselves again.
- 29:00One of IMSA's goals was to provide the industry designers constructors,
- 29:04the opportunity to make a living and a business in this kind of race.
- 29:07So another example of that beautiful car.
- 29:11This is the hairpin at Miami.
- 29:12In the first treat races, which is the next sort of episode where
- 29:15we talked about racing on roads.
- 29:17Well, it came back with a vengeance in the eighties.
- 29:20At one point we had five downtown street races.
- 29:23Different concept, which was we're gonna bring this show to people.
- 29:27In their face, which is gonna mess up their town for at least a month
- 29:30so they'll know it's happening.
- 29:31Okay?
- 29:31The buses didn't run.
- 29:32It was, we messed everything up.
- 29:34But when all said and done, we turned on a lot of people to the game that would not
- 29:37have otherwise ever seen it, and it was spectacular to watch another innovation.
- 29:42The first plastic engine, it was tour on two liter.
- 29:45Most of the internal components are carbon or plastic, sponsored by Amaco.
- 29:50It actually got two podium finishes in Camel Lights.
- 29:52This is also early eighties.
- 29:55So we had a lot of innovative stuff going on and welcomed it.
- 29:59You know, we looked at what we did as a place for people to try new things.
- 30:02Some of 'em worked, some of 'em didn't.
- 30:04But I threw this in here only because a lot of people don't know about it, but.
- 30:07It actually scored two third places in a pretty competitive category
- 30:11in an engine made outta plastic.
- 30:12This is interesting.
- 30:13This is John Bishop's original drawing, which he drew in the meeting
- 30:16when we started arguing with Porsche between the 9 5 6 group C car and our
- 30:21desire for a different kind of car.
- 30:23So what's different?
- 30:24We put out our GTP rules with the A CO in 1980.
- 30:27It required that engine to be available, no aluminum roll cages, which the FIA
- 30:33insisted was okay, which never was.
- 30:35Everyone we ever saw failed and the driver had to be behind the front axle.
- 30:39John actually sketched this in the boardroom at Porsche Stuttgart and
- 30:43showed it to him and says, here, you can lengthen it in the back or you can
- 30:46lengthen it in the front, but you gotta make it longer to get the driver moved.
- 30:50And you can't have aluminum roll cages, and you gotta have an
- 30:54engine that everybody can get.
- 30:55So the group C formula, for those who don't know, was a fuel formula,
- 30:59more endurance championship Lama took kind of the same thing, the 56
- 31:04version, the group C car, which was shorter driver out front, the one that
- 31:07Stefan Beov was killed in its spa.
- 31:09And it probably, I don't wanna say it would be avoidable, but the way
- 31:13he was positioned in the car and what happened to the car was tragic.
- 31:16Should not have been that bad, but it did.
- 31:18They lasted about two years.
- 31:20And then finally after some bad accidents in Group C, they adopted
- 31:24IMSA's GTP rules because it made sense.
- 31:27And again, none of us are engineers, but we just looked at this thing and said.
- 31:30This can't be right.
- 31:31There is a better way to do this, and we just did what we thought was correct.
- 31:359 56 is probably the least successful Porsche car in that regard.
- 31:40In the 62, I think they built 145 of them.
- 31:43So you think about that 145 race cars that started at about 300 grand and at the end
- 31:47a decade later were 700 grand, but they still built 145 of 'em and sold them.
- 31:52So that's what the fields kind of look like.
- 31:53You got a Porsche Buick, March Jaguars.
- 31:56We had a lot of diversity.
- 31:57We had nine OE manufacturers in GTP in the eighties, as well as, I think five or
- 32:02six more in Camel Light, which was a lower division using normally aspirated engines,
- 32:06which is kind of where the gentleman guys went 'cause it was an easier car.
- 32:09These things started getting really fast.
- 32:12Miami, this is what street racing was like in the early eighties.
- 32:16Biscayne Boulevard.
- 32:17On the right pit lanes to the left.
- 32:18You could see cars coming around.
- 32:20Turn one.
- 32:21It was amazing to do this.
- 32:23I remember the first race had Sterling Moss as the color commentator on
- 32:28tv, and he was just fascinated because street racing at that
- 32:32point was pretty much Monaco.
- 32:34That was it.
- 32:34So we did this, then we did West Palm, then we did San Antonio, then
- 32:37we did Columbus, then we did New Orleans, and we just kept going.
- 32:40And the economic benefit was huge.
- 32:42The pushback from people whose businesses got messed up and couldn't get on the bus
- 32:46and everything else was equally great.
- 32:48Noise wasn't that big of an issue because everybody knew it was gonna be noisy.
- 32:51Just to give you an example, race control, the high rise building on
- 32:55the left was a new building and we were like 20 stories up and had a
- 32:59commanding view of the entire area.
- 33:01This is right along Biscayne Bay.
- 33:02The cruise ship port is to the left.
- 33:04It was just spectacular.
- 33:05Great idea.
- 33:06Firestone Fire Hawk.
- 33:08All right, other great idea.
- 33:09We took street cars.
- 33:11Told everybody to take the carpets out, put a bolt-in, roll cage
- 33:14in it that you could take out.
- 33:16If we ask you to take out, in other words, it could not be firmly affixed to the car.
- 33:19It had to be bolted in steel fire bottle.
- 33:22That was it.
- 33:22Belts and a seat.
- 33:23Go race it.
- 33:24So those were street cars, which everybody said there's no fuel cells,
- 33:27there's none of this, none of that.
- 33:28The standard of construction of these cars in that day was such that they were.
- 33:32Five layers of steel around the fuel tank already.
- 33:35It was past the Ford Pinto I explode experiences of a decade earlier.
- 33:40They were pretty solid cars.
- 33:42We'd roll these things up and what was cool is you could wreck it on
- 33:45a test day, go down a dealership, buy another one, and build it
- 33:48overnight and go race the next day.
- 33:49How bad was that?
- 33:50But you could see there's Dodge Chargers, BMWs, Camaros, Mustangs,
- 33:54just about everything you could.
- 33:56Now, what happened over time?
- 33:57We had three or four categories.
- 33:59Each category, we listed a group of cars, and out of that group, maybe three or
- 34:03four were really in that configuration, competitive with each other.
- 34:07Some of them were just hopeless.
- 34:09You didn't wanna run eos, they were terrible, but people tried.
- 34:13Picture of a Jaguar V 12, six and a half and seven liter engines based
- 34:17on the production Jaguar engine.
- 34:19Beautiful sound, very competitive.
- 34:21Another great picture from Sebring where you can see this Porsche is going
- 34:25down hangar straight at about 180.
- 34:27And there are people sitting in the grass to the left, and then there's a chain
- 34:31link fence, and then there's more people.
- 34:33And somehow we didn't manage to kill anybody, though.
- 34:35We certainly had all the parts to do that.
- 34:37No big accidents, but not what we do today.
- 34:40But this is about mid eighties.
- 34:41Bruce Levin's car, Daytona at night.
- 34:44Just a cool shot.
- 34:45That's a Nissan GTP car in the last one.
- 34:47And an interesting thing is the what shown this week.
- 34:50Of course, with endurance racing, we got the moniker of Racing with a Difference.
- 34:54We race at night and we race in the rain, and sometimes we race at night in
- 34:57the rain, which makes it really nasty.
- 34:59What I'm trying to illustrate here is just how people have adapted these
- 35:02cars to take on different race lengths, different kinds of racetrack, angling
- 35:06the lights out so that you could see where the wall was, was essential.
- 35:09This is pre-live tv.
- 35:12During the races, so now it's lit somewhat better.
- 35:15You can actually drive Daytona at night without headlights.
- 35:18People can't see you coming, but you could see where you're going.
- 35:20But back then you had to have lights and they had to work
- 35:23and they had to work this way.
- 35:24And places like Sebring, the old 5.2 mile track, part of
- 35:27which was that 86 Havelin car.
- 35:29If you lost your headlights or your alternate or your battery went dead,
- 35:32there were times where guys just stopped and had to wait till the end
- 35:34of a session 'cause they couldn't find their way back to the pits.
- 35:36That dark, certainly at speed, you wouldn't even try to pretty, uh, heroic
- 35:41if you won there in those conditions.
- 35:43As a driver, it was not just consequential, it was
- 35:46heroically consequential.
- 35:48Okay.
- 35:48Castrol Jag.
- 35:49These are the English cars from Walkinshaw.
- 35:51They replaced Jaguar finally adopted the GTP concept for Group C as well,
- 35:56so they were able to build new cars.
- 35:58Came in a variety of forms, V twelves at seven liters, twin turbo v sixes.
- 36:02The XJR 14, which comes up later was the Ross Bra Design Formula One designers
- 36:07version of a car powered by a Cosworth.
- 36:09But really super big program.
- 36:10Castrol, yours truly at the Ferrari Museum.
- 36:13I throw this in there for my own benefit, but I was the guy that had to
- 36:16go over there and homologate this car, Ferrari F 40, which is 1989 to run in
- 36:21GT racing, both in the US and Europe.
- 36:23So whenever I go back there, they always remind me I did two cars with Ferrari.
- 36:27That one in the 3 3 3 SP prototype, which will come up in a bit.
- 36:30So this one sits in the Ferrari museum.
- 36:32Hurley Haywood actually drove it.
- 36:34People don't realize that Hurley Haywood drove Audis.
- 36:36He drove Porsches, he drove Ferraris, he drove Jaguars.
- 36:38He drove a lot of stuff, but he lives and breathes Porsches great guy.
- 36:42Daytona Castro, banking early in the morning.
- 36:46They won in 90 and in 88.
- 36:48Another beautiful piece.
- 36:49The ni Nissans hard to miss these cars.
- 36:51This is the second generation GTP car.
- 36:54Okay?
- 36:54This has got some nasty, uh, accident stuff in it.
- 36:56This is where I talk about how the cars exceeded the racetrack.
- 37:00What's going on here is Road.
- 37:01Atlanta has not got a chicane.
- 37:03It is a flat out turn seven to turn, what is now 12, run 210.
- 37:09There's a dip in the middle, the dip and the downforce.
- 37:13At this point, these cars were running 7,500 to 8,000 pounds rear springs.
- 37:18They needed springs like that to keep the car from grinding into the road.
- 37:22That plus the weight of the car.
- 37:24You go down to a in a dip at 200 miles an hour, what's gonna happen?
- 37:27The tires are gonna explode.
- 37:29It's a little gruesome, but nobody got seriously hurt.
- 37:32Same race, both cars.
- 37:33There was a third one with the Toyota, which managed to get back to the
- 37:36pits 'cause it landed right side up.
- 37:38These guys didn't Pretty destructive.
- 37:40So this is when we started thinking about, okay, this stuff is simply going too fast.
- 37:45We don't need to go that fast to put on a quality show.
- 37:48To put on good entertainment.
- 37:49We're not in the business of wrecking this stuff this way.
- 37:51After that particular race, Goodyear refused to supply tires to these teams
- 37:55until they told them actually what the downforce potential would be.
- 37:58'cause the cars just exceeded what they could possibly do.
- 38:01So some other footage from this era, Holbert was the dominant
- 38:04car, the eighties followed by the Nissans in the late eighties.
- 38:07One of IMSA's most iconic car, low and brow car.
- 38:10John Lamers put that one in the fence when he went out of the pits
- 38:12with cold tires and new brake pads.
- 38:14Oops.
- 38:15Which is still happening today at Daytona Sebring.
- 38:18Again, that's turn one.
- 38:19Before there was the change in the track, the original Nissan GTP car.
- 38:24So at this point we had five or six major factory teams.
- 38:27We, once again, were struggling with a private tier, could not get the hardware
- 38:31to be able to compete with these people.
- 38:33Starting to think about what's next when this goes.
- 38:36We also were made aware at the time that RJ Reynolds, because of federal law, would
- 38:39have to stop their sponsorship in 1993.
- 38:42So we had a number of things going on into the next decade.
- 38:46The bishops and the original stockholders, the Francis and two
- 38:49other groups of stockholders sold IMSA to a businessman in Tampa, who
- 38:53was also the promoter of the St.
- 38:54Pete Grand Prix race.
- 38:55Mike Cohen and Jeff Parker.
- 38:57It wasn't the best idea.
- 38:58Neither one of 'em were racers.
- 39:00If you wanna read the gory details, I wrote a book about it with George
- 39:03Silverman, Mike Compatriot with this, they would do stuff like Mike
- 39:06was a construction guy, so he would take the purse for the 24 hours a
- 39:09Daytona, and he would use that to bond jobs for the state of Florida.
- 39:13I could say this now because when he finally got caught up,
- 39:16he did 15 years state and 15 years federal, non concurrent.
- 39:20Just got outta jail about two years ago.
- 39:23It was strange days, but basically he lasted three years and then basically
- 39:28sold to another guy who actually was a great guy, Charlie Slater, but the guy
- 39:33who talked Charlie Slater into buying it.
- 39:35It was the same guy that talked Mike Cone into buying it.
- 39:37He was the promoter at Tampa and St. Pete, both of which were temporary
- 39:41circuit events that failed mid nineties.
- 39:43In spite of all these underlying bad things going on, we exported our GT stuff
- 39:48first to Japan and we took, uh, anywhere from six to eight cars and helped the
- 39:53JAF develop what is now super gt super GT cars are essentially derivatives of
- 39:58the car on the right, which is a 300 ZX Cunningham car built in California.
- 40:03Just to show them this Nissan set this up at Fuji.
- 40:06There's the road car, there's the race car.
- 40:08The whole idea was to capture the spirit of the streetcar, but make it a real
- 40:12race car that makes it cheaper to run.
- 40:14We brought six or seven cars at their request.
- 40:16We ran two years at Fuji, one year at auto topless, I think.
- 40:19So three races where they started running, uh, Nismo Skylines.
- 40:23A modified group A cars and started developing a tube frame structured car,
- 40:29which then grew into what they do now, which is very similar to this, even
- 40:33beyond that, without much help from us, other than bringing a variety of GTO and
- 40:38GTU cars and American iron and opening them up and letting all the, their mo OE
- 40:42manufacturers just come and look at the cars and ask questions, how they made,
- 40:45what do you use, and so on and so forth.
- 40:47It too developed their own industry of parts and component manufacturers
- 40:51for their own cars, which is great.
- 40:53That was one of the big goals of IMSA was always to focus on that.
- 40:57Chevy Intrepid, Wayne Taylor, 1991.
- 41:001991, was the most successful GTP year because every OE manufacturer won at
- 41:04least one race, which rarely happened.
- 41:06The last nine 60 twos.
- 41:07This is Rob Dyson's.
- 41:09Quite a bit different than the earlier Holbrook pictures, A
- 41:11lot more arrow stuff on it.
- 41:13Triple element wing on the back, which originally was one element.
- 41:16The car won races in 1984, and it won its final race in 1993.
- 41:21And the reason I bring that up is the original layout of A GTP car.
- 41:25John Bishop drew on a piece of paper in his office in front of
- 41:27myself, Roger Bailey and Charlie Rainville, and that drawing remained
- 41:31in the IMSA Rule book for a decade.
- 41:33Unchanged.
- 41:34So when people talk about stability, people like Rob Dyson invested in these
- 41:38cars and he raced them for 10 years.
- 41:40Modified 'em, but it's the American hot rod mentality.
- 41:42You gotta fix it somehow.
- 41:43There's the XJR 14 brilliant car.
- 41:46Look at the size of the arrow device.
- 41:47On the back of that.
- 41:48The spray gives you some idea what's going on, but the air going under the car.
- 41:51This car, Davey Jones said many times, 73 to 7,500 pound rear springs on it.
- 41:56But it's basically a Formula One car with a three and a half liter engine.
- 42:00Widen tub holding 32 gallons of gas.
- 42:02Great little car, super quick.
- 42:04Davey Jones was one of our really good drivers, but the best company I ever
- 42:09heard was Tony Dow, who managed the British cars, said uh, Davey Jones has
- 42:13wrecked every model of GTP and Group C car we've ever made at least once.
- 42:18So you know, you got guys that are really fast, but you gotta expect them
- 42:21to damage the hardware occasionally or total it as he did a few times.
- 42:25Then came the Toyota's.
- 42:26This is gurney's effort.
- 42:27These cars were culmination of three generations of previous designs
- 42:31that became the dominant cars.
- 42:32What's really unique about this car is if you notice, there's no holes in
- 42:36it other than the hole in the front.
- 42:37All of the air going through the car created, added down force inside
- 42:41the car on a second floor, all the air for the radiators, intercos, and
- 42:45the only thing sticking out of those two little black things, which are
- 42:48brake ducts for the rear brake, but everything else went through the car.
- 42:51The tall scoop on the side was an intake for the turbo, just because it needed
- 42:55the cleaner air, because at the time the air got from the front to the engine
- 42:58bay for the turbo was pretty agitated.
- 43:00These cars also ran 7,500 pound springs.
- 43:04It was a 2.1 liter engine running 125 inches of boost and could
- 43:08make if they wanted a thousand horsepower out, a two liter.
- 43:11They didn't run that long that way, but it was there if you wanted it.
- 43:14Great cars having gurney in the series from GTU to GTO to GTP for
- 43:19close to a decade was a treat.
- 43:22Wonderful man.
- 43:23That was the year they won 24 hours, 93.
- 43:26We had carbon breaks by then, as you can see.
- 43:28So Japan, here's the group of cars we took to our topless.
- 43:31Seven of them, the whole group.
- 43:33That was a lot of fun.
- 43:34The Japanese were great hosts, but they also, you know, you see some of them, we
- 43:38had Exxon at that time instead of Camel.
- 43:40So because it was international, half the cars had so on it because they were
- 43:43still using Theso name overseas and not here, but Exxon was the US that's
- 43:48pouring rain at Fuji Lightener, GTU car and the two Cunningham, GTO cars in the.
- 43:53This is another weird car.
- 43:55This is the most successful Porsche car ever raced.
- 43:58This is the Jaguar Bud Light car that you saw earlier.
- 44:02With the rain coming out the back, they cut the roof off of it.
- 44:05Well, first what they did was they sold that car to Mazda, who ran it in
- 44:08Group C with a Mazda badged Cosworth engine, same car, but they changed
- 44:12it from a Jag to a Mazda just by putting Mazda covers on the engine.
- 44:16And they did that for about three, four months and decided that wasn't worth it.
- 44:19So Val Perez, Indiana, they had two or three of these chassis and.
- 44:22Tony Dow Max Welty, who was the Porsche head of Motorsport at
- 44:26Allen Springer in California, go.
- 44:27We need to do something with these.
- 44:28What'd they do?
- 44:29They drop the 9 62 spec engine in the back of one of these
- 44:32things, which cut the roof off.
- 44:35Reinforced the roll cage structures you could see with forward and rear braces.
- 44:38This is Mario Andrei testing it at Charlotte and it's the most successful
- 44:42car because in 1995 with the beginning of world sports cars, which side story?
- 44:49We knew in 93 no more GTP cars.
- 44:51So we had a new sponsor, which was Exxon.
- 44:53They had two requests, make the cars look different because we
- 44:55don't want to be viewed as taking over someone else's old stuff.
- 44:59And two, we need more of 'em.
- 45:01So the whole idea, again, was another technical shift to develop a car
- 45:05that private teams could buy and run.
- 45:08And so the World Sports Car was born.
- 45:10I bring this one up because it's so unique.
- 45:12It only raced in our races once after the roar.
- 45:15The test at Daytona in the beginning of January.
- 45:18Kramer had a CK five, which was a similar car made out of a 9 62 chassis.
- 45:22He brought one.
- 45:23Porsche brought two of these and we changed the rules on 'em between
- 45:26then and the race because we recognized that we really didn't
- 45:29set up world sports cars for turbos.
- 45:32We were trying to extend an arm to Lamar to go, you need to get rid
- 45:35of what you were now running, which are GT one cars and McLaren F ones.
- 45:39Porsche GT one cars, which at the time cost about $1.5 million a
- 45:43piece unavailable to everybody.
- 45:45Factory made so many and that was it done.
- 45:48So you're limiting your field.
- 45:49You're not looking forward about how you're gonna sustain this.
- 45:52So we needed cars like this that customer cars could be made out of existing stuff.
- 45:57So it never raced at Daytona that year.
- 46:00However, the Kramer CK five, the older version, won the race under the rules that
- 46:04Porsche didn't like with the same engine.
- 46:06I say it's the most successful.
- 46:07It ran Lama twice, won both times.
- 46:09Finish second.
- 46:10A third time, and then no finish.
- 46:12Second at Petite Lamont.
- 46:1319 98, 3 years later, we also extended a series to, um, central and South
- 46:18America, the NA Cam, Marlboro GT series.
- 46:20Again, IMSA Cars, IMSA Rules, IMSA teams, a place for them to sell their cars.
- 46:24Another good view of the World Sports Car taking the roof off.
- 46:27That's, uh, Andy Wallace, or might be Derek.
- 46:30And you could kind of see who was driving the car and what he was driving it with.
- 46:33So it was kind of a good view.
- 46:34James Weaver and Rob Dyson's Spice with a Ferrari engine in it.
- 46:37Again, all that stuff was generally available.
- 46:39Wayne Taylor won the first championship in a rotary powered car by not
- 46:43winning a race, but finishing in the top five, I think, 12 times.
- 46:46The car of the decade is clearly the 3, 3, 3 sp.
- 46:49This car again, I went to Ferrari with Jumpier.
- 46:52Met with Montezemolo and Pirro Ferrari and said, we need a customer car.
- 46:56So they committed to making this car solely for customers.
- 47:00Ferrari never ran one themselves.
- 47:02Pure customer car is exactly what we wanted.
- 47:05It wasn't that expensive as Pirro Ferrari said.
- 47:07The little badge on the front end, that's $25,000 just to get the little
- 47:10badge on it 'cause it's a Ferrari badge.
- 47:12So there was a little inflation to that.
- 47:14But you bought a car, you got an engine.
- 47:15Four corners, and a full body and a transmission.
- 47:18For about three quarters of a million dollars and that was most
- 47:20of the parts you needed to run a whole season, including the car.
- 47:23It's a great deal.
- 47:24Rob Dyson.
- 47:24The other great car was the Riley.
- 47:26Many engine combinations in it.
- 47:28Great shot of the Ferrari.
- 47:29They spit flames out the back and made great noises with
- 47:31a V 12 turning 12,500 RPM.
- 47:34It's magic spectators loved them.
- 47:36GT cars still the mainstay.
- 47:3999 Audi and BMW showed up at this point.
- 47:42The A CO and the FIA adopted IMSS W World Sports Car Rules, but then
- 47:46had to put their mark on it so they put bigger engines in it and put
- 47:49aerodynamic diffusers on 'em on cars that weren't designed to have 'em, which
- 47:53immediately obsoleted all the Ferrari and made the Audi and the BM BMW cars.
- 47:57That's a six liter V 12, the car to have.
- 48:00As you can see here, all the old cars are in the back.
- 48:03The two Panos is the two BMWs.
- 48:05The Lowell is a new car, but then you got the Ferrari's and the Riley's in
- 48:08the back, and they could no longer compete with the cars at the front.
- 48:11Grand Dam comes along 19 99, 19 97.
- 48:14George Silverman and I left when Andy Evans acquired imsa, which was the fifth
- 48:18owner in seven years, and decided we didn't like to work under his ethics.
- 48:23So IMSA got split in half.
- 48:26Half of the people, the management and.
- 48:28Director type level people ended up in NASCAR Daytona, the rank
- 48:32and file people, part-time.
- 48:34People that ran the races as race staff ended up getting the contract to
- 48:38run the A LMS with Don Panos program.
- 48:40Again, new car.
- 48:42We had to get rid of the old world sports cars again.
- 48:44Grand Dam did Daytona prototypes.
- 48:45Interesting design Ford.
- 48:47Lexus.
- 48:48Lexus.
- 48:48Ford.
- 48:49That's Adorn, which became a Dara Riley.
- 48:52So what happened there was the benefit Grand Am had was at the time
- 48:56International Speedway Corporation.
- 48:57We had Daytona, we had Watkins Glen, we had Phoenix, we had Fontana,
- 49:02we had racetracks that we owned that let us race there reasonably.
- 49:06The A LMS had Sebring in Atlanta, and we both would pick up mid
- 49:10Ohio or Three Rivers or some other events to build out a schedule.
- 49:14We used to go to the Glen twice.
- 49:16We used to go to Daytona twice, but basically for about six or seven
- 49:20years, these two things ran in parallel with opposite philosophies.
- 49:23One was cost effective, lots of cars, all prototypes in
- 49:26that shot, there's no GT cars.
- 49:28A LMS had OE Manufacturers spending a lot of marketing dollars.
- 49:32But they didn't have very big fields or lots of cars.
- 49:35They had a connection with LAMA and eventually, by the early teens, I don't
- 49:39wanna say one was better than the other, they were two different philosophies.
- 49:42But Grand Am had pretty much caught up and passed TV viewership on the car count,
- 49:48and on the spectator attendance at events.
- 49:50And then the smarter people got involved and said, why don't we combine these
- 49:53two things and make something better?
- 49:54And that's where we are today.
- 49:56We also did some cool stuff.
- 49:57This is Mike Shank, breaking the World Close Course Speed record at Daytona,
- 50:01which was held for 20 something years by the Mercedes C one 11 done
- 50:05at Nardo in Italy, which I think is a seven mile or nine mile oval.
- 50:09He beat it with a three liter eco-boost turbo production engine.
- 50:12You could see the line.
- 50:14You could see the four decimal points, pretty high tech stuff
- 50:17when we would do stuff like that along the lines of Bonneville.
- 50:21Then DP version three.
- 50:22These are the Corvettes.
- 50:23The final version, there were three generations of DP cars and A LMS.
- 50:27You have the Audi, the Corvettes.
- 50:29They were definitely the A LMS cars.
- 50:31Panos.
- 50:32This is a classic end of race.
- 50:34This is Yorg Burmeister, and I forget who's driving the Corvette.
- 50:37It's not very friendly at all, as you can about to see.
- 50:43Oh yeah.
- 50:43See that?
- 50:43That's a wall that was to the flag.
- 50:47So the Porsche won the race.
- 50:48The Corvette was second, but crossed the line backwards shedding
- 50:51parts, but luckily I didn't have to have anything to do with that.
- 50:53Vipers another Corvette.
- 50:55Beautiful cars.
- 50:57Now we're getting near the end.
- 50:57This is D-P-I-D-P-I followed the merger between two years of running
- 51:03A LMS and Grand Am Cars together, and then creating a new car.
- 51:07This is very similar to the car we have now without the hybrids.
- 51:11So at this point, IMSA is starting to really boom.
- 51:14When I say boom, record crowds great TV numbers, social media is,
- 51:18is exploding and it just grew from this point to where we are today.
- 51:23This was last lap at Petite Lamar.
- 51:25Diehard passed, but he's going so slow.
- 51:27The car he is trying to pass past them going down the hill
- 51:29and he still finished second.
- 51:30We don't push for that, but it's so competitive and so close.
- 51:34People talk about BOP and all the rule stuff.
- 51:36We're working margins of 0.03%.
- 51:40Where some of the teams, the two drivers cannot drive the same car on the same
- 51:45day within that number, and yet the manufacturers want us to fix that.
- 51:48It's like, no, some ending ones.
- 51:49We do this now every year at Daytona.
- 51:51That's the field for the Rolex 24, probably two years ago.
- 51:54Turn one SE bring just GT cars this time.
- 51:57Huge.
- 51:57We have 18 OEM partnership agreements with car manufacturers.
- 52:01Most of anyone in the world right now, Penske's, Porsches, Roger Penske,
- 52:06said when they first tested this car in Barcelona, these are the most
- 52:09technically advanced race cars on the planet, including Formula One, IndyCar.
- 52:13Anything else?
- 52:14They are made with stuff that was not off the shelf.
- 52:18Everything in these cars, hybrid wise, battery wise, MGU Wise was
- 52:21developed specifically for this.
- 52:23Again, in order to have a life until now, 2030.
- 52:26So we'll be using this componentry and it has scalability for another five years.
- 52:31Easy.
- 52:32Cars are really cool.
- 52:33They do really great things.
- 52:34They leave the pits on the electric, they have no alternator, and they
- 52:38just hit the ignition button and the car starts itself from the electric.
- 52:42It's got an 800 volt battery in it.
- 52:44The 800 volt battery can give it 150 more horsepower, not on
- 52:47demand, but over a period of time.
- 52:49It regenerates itself when you're on the brakes and when you disengage the
- 52:53clutch, the input shaft, that's where the MGU works is the input shaft BMWs.
- 52:59They just debuted their second generation of the car at Daytona last weekend.
- 53:02Here you have Aston Martin, and again, off we go.
- 53:06So Daytona tells us the Rolex 24 now is the second most profitable event at
- 53:10the racetrack after the Daytona 500.
- 53:12So road racing and sporty car stuff has come a long way, but you can see
- 53:16how quick these things are at Daytona.
- 53:18Now they're slightly over 200.
- 53:20I threw this in just to give some idea of IMSA and the Corvette
- 53:24from the third car from the top.
- 53:26It is all IMSA, A LMS, grand Am.
- 53:29Corvettes first two?
- 53:31No, the third one is a Greenwood, so that's where it starts, but it's kind
- 53:34of a neat photo to show how GM is used.
- 53:37Motorsports and Corvette, final picture, that's the Bishop France trophy.
- 53:41Every champion of every class.
- 53:43In the overall division, G-T-O-G-T-U-G-T-X-G-T-P, on the
- 53:48front straightaway in front of the new tower building at Road
- 53:51Atlanta with the Michelin man on it.
- 53:53And uh, I'm done.
- 53:55Thank you.
- 54:00Where all the pictures came from.
- 54:04I am sure there's some questions, mark.
- 54:06That was absolutely fabulous and I don't know if we wanna open it up for questions.
- 54:10How old were you when you started, uh, with John Bishop?
- 54:13I was, had just turned 16 in the spring of 1974 and I did my 50th 24
- 54:19hour race this year of only two years.
- 54:21One year I was actually kind of helping John Cooper at the Speedway
- 54:24after Andy Evans took over.
- 54:26George and I went over there at their request and then by 99 I was over there
- 54:30regularly beginning to make Grand Am for.
- 54:32Bill Junior and Jim Franz been a great run.
- 54:35I think the most important thing, which I could talk to, you know, the cars
- 54:38are cool and the events are cool and I took a lot of notes, but the people.
- 54:41Do you have the opportunity to work with your parents, John and Peg Bishop?
- 54:45Priceless.
- 54:45You know, I've been given great guidance, great teachings was told.
- 54:50Day one, you can make every mistake you want.
- 54:52Once, second time we're gonna start thinking you're stupid.
- 54:54And I said, okay, I don't wanna be stupid.
- 54:56That was direct quote.
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