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- Lucas: Luna, I want to tell you about a deal that closed last quarter—a mid-market SaaS company selling logistics software to a manufacturing firm with about eight hundred employees. Luna: Oh, I love a good manufacturing deal. Those cycles are usually nine months minimum. Lucas: Exactly. This one closed in forty-five days. And the secret wasn't a discount, a pilot, or a reference call. It was that the rep got the buyer to say no to themselves. Luna: Say no to themselves? You mean they pre-empted objections? Lucas: More than that. They made the buyer articulate the exact reasons not to buy—and then let the buyer shoot each one down themselves, without the rep ever pushing back. Luna: Okay, I need the full play-by-play. Who was the buyer? Lucas: CFO of the manufacturing firm. Let's call him Dan. Dan had been burned by three failed software implementations in the past five years. His natural posture was skeptical, almost adversarial. Luna: So how did the rep even get in the door? Lucas: She didn't pitch. She scheduled a thirty-minute call titled 'Why this probably isn't the right time.' She said to Dan, 'Look, I've done my homework. I know you've had bad experiences. Let me ask you a few questions, and if by the end you're not convinced we can avoid those pitfalls, I'll walk away.' Luna: Bold. And he agreed? Lucas: He was intrigued. So she started with the first killer objection: integration risk. She asked, 'Dan, what would need to be true about an integration process for you to feel confident it wouldn't disrupt your operations?' Luna: So she's getting him to define the criteria for success. Lucas: Exactly. He said, 'We'd need a dedicated implementation team, a sandbox environment for testing, and a parallel run of at least two weeks.' She wrote it down and said, 'Great. What else?' Luna: And then? Lucas: She moved to the second objection: cost. 'What would a realistic ROI timeline look like for you to feel comfortable with the investment?' He said, 'We need to see payback within eighteen months, ideally twelve.' She noted it. Third objection: change management. 'What would a successful adoption rate be in the first quarter?' He said, 'At least sixty percent of users logging in weekly.' Luna: So by the end of that call, she has a checklist of exactly what he needs. Lucas: Right. And here's the twist—she never said, 'We can do that.' She just said, 'Thank you, that's really clear. Let me schedule a follow-up where I bring my implementation lead to walk through how we'd map to those criteria.' Luna: So the buyer is already invested in his own criteria. Lucas: Exactly. On the next call, she brings her technical lead. They go through each of Dan's self-defined criteria one by one. The implementation lead says, 'Here's our dedicated team structure, here's our sandbox process, here's how we do parallel runs.' Dan nods the whole time. Luna: He can't object because he literally told them what he needed. Lucas: That's the whole point. She never had to overcome a single objection. She just held up a mirror. And it works psychologically because people trust their own reasoning more than any pitch. There's a 2025 Gong analysis that showed top-performing reps spend forty percent more time in discovery asking questions that force buyers to articulate their own decision criteria. Luna: I've seen similar data from Chorus—they found that when a buyer states a requirement unprompted, the likelihood of that requirement being met in the final deal is over ninety percent. Luna: And speaking of things that work, I have to say—if this kind of conversation helps you think about your own deals, it's because listeners like you support the show. There's no ad revenue, no sponsors. It's just a buy me a coffee model. So if today was worth a coffee to you, that's the link: buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Lucas: Yeah. It genuinely keeps us going. And honestly, the manufacturing rep's story isn't even the most extreme example I've heard. Luna: What's more extreme? Lucas: I talked to a rep at a cybersecurity firm who used this same technique with a Fortune 500 CISO. The CISO said, 'I need to see a SOC 2 Type II report, a third-party pen test from a specific vendor, and a reference from a company with at least ten thousand employees.' The rep said, 'Great, let me send those over. But also, what would make you say no even if we met all three?' Luna: So she's getting him to articulate the hidden objection. Lucas: Right. He said, 'Honestly, if your pricing isn't within ten percent of our current vendor, it's a no.' That was the real blocker—not security. So the rep came back with a price comparison showing they were actually five percent lower. The CISO had no move. Luna: That's brilliant. But there's a risk here, isn't there? Lucas: Huge risk. If you ask those questions and the buyer says something you can't deliver, you've just helped them disqualify you faster. Luna: So this only works if you have genuine conviction in your product's fit. Lucas: Exactly. It's not a trick. It's a diagnostic tool. If you're not confident, don't use this technique—because it will backfire. But if you are, it's the fastest way to let the buyer sell themselves. Luna: I love that framing. 'Let the buyer sell themselves.' Lucas: So let's unpack the framework. It's three questions. Number one: 'What would need to be true for you to feel comfortable moving forward?' Number two: 'What would make you say no even if those criteria were met?' Number three: 'Is there anyone else who would need to agree with those criteria?' Luna: That third one is key—because the manufacturing rep's Dan said his VP of Operations would also need to sign off. Lucas: Right. So she then scheduled a call with the VP of Operations and used the same approach. By the time the deal got to procurement, there were zero surprises. Every objection had been pre-empted. Luna: And the deal closed in forty-five days. That's less than half the typical cycle. Lucas: Seven figures, too. Not a small deal. And the rep told me she spent eighty percent of her time in discovery and only twenty percent in the actual pitch. Luna: That's the opposite of most reps I see. They pitch first, then discover objections later. Lucas: Exactly. And then they have to play defense. This method puts you on offense from the start. You're not overcoming objections—you're preventing them from ever being raised. Luna: So what's the one takeaway for our listeners? Lucas: Next time you have a discovery call, try asking the buyer to define the criteria for a no before you ever show them your solution. Let them build the fence, then show them how you fit inside it. Luna: I love that. And if you try it, let us know how it goes. We're always looking for new stories to share. Lucas: Absolutely. That's all for this episode of Closing the Deal. We'll see you next time.