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TCC #13 Richard Chase Part 2 · True Crime California

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and I'm glad you're here. Hey, everybody, welcome back to
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True Crime California. This is Part two of Richard Chase
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the Vampire Sacramento. I have to apologize you guys. I'd
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completely failed to put that part one was a part one.
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So I'm sure a ton of people listen to it
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thinking they're gonna get the whole story, and then when
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I stopped, We're like, what the hell, where's the rest
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of the story. It's been It was like a rough
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couple of weeks, but we're back in the swing of things.
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I'm gonna update that to say part one. This will
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be part two, and I apologize to anybody whose heart
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was broken when they realized they were gonna have to
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wait another week to finish this tale. Anyway, I want
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to thank a few people who have been emailing case
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suggestions letting me know they're enjoying the show. You guys, rule,
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Thank you so much for that. I'm definitely going to
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take some of these suggestions. Some of them were the
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ones that I wanted to do soon anyway, so it
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feels like a sign. So the next few cases will
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probably be ones that were sent in by listeners, which
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is always exciting to see that people are listening and
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want to hear more. So thank you everyone for that.
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I appreciate you, and I'm really excited to cover some
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more cases that I know everybody wants to hear. But
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for it now, let's get into part two. And do
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you want to tell you guys that I'm surrounded by animals.
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I have my two dogs next to me and my
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cat is on my lap cleaning himself. So if you
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hear any little animal noises, it's because I live in
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a zoom anyway, So this is such a horrific tale.
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I honestly think part of why it took me so
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long to put these out was because as I researched this,
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it's just been I've been doing a lot of heavy
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hitters to start this series, and I'm happy to do it,
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and like true crime is true crime, but like it
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wears on you, and I really really hate this case
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on so many life so I'll be happy when it's over,
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but I'm happy that I did it. I think it's
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a really interesting case to cover. Brings up a lot
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of weird you know, and interesting questions about mental health,
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which we will definitely discuss as we get to the
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end of this case. But for now, let's get back
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into it. So I believe we were at the end
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of nineteen seventy seven. Actually I keep confusing the months,
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but so we left off with Richard having killed his
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first victim, fifty one year old Ambrose Griffin, who was
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unloading groceries from his car with his wife in Sacramento
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when he was shot and killed. Richard did it basically
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a drive by. He was in a card shot this man.
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He also after this, so that was in December nineteen
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seventy seven, and then rolling into nineteen seventy eight, he
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attempted to kill a random woman who was doing dishes
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in her house, but shot the bullet through the bun
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like her hair was in a bun, and it shot
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through this bun. It was that close to killing her.
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He tried to enter the home of another woman but
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walked away because he didn't find any open doors or windows,
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and that was the woman that actually ended up staring
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him down like face to face through her sliding glass door,
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so super terrifying. And he successfully entered and ransacked the
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home of a young couple and also went to the
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bathroom in their baby's room and actually took a shit
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in their baby's crib, which is fucking insane. As I
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mentioned last time, I think this was January twenty third,
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nineteen seventy eight, and from here on out Richard continued
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this totally whacked out spree. So this was actually all
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in the same day, I believe. The same day he
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entered a home and tried to set it on fire,
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later claiming whoever lived there was spying on him. So
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one of his weird like paranoid fantasies. He actually definitely
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Also on January twenty third, ran into a woman he
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knew from school, so from high school. Now. He saw
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her at a grocery store and approached her in an aisle. Now,
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at first, the woman whose name is Nancy, had no
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clue who he was. As you may remember, Richard had
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been clean cut and relatively normal, at least outwardly during
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his high school years. And at this point, he's dirty,
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he has long, oily hair, he looks homeless. He's wearing
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like a blood spattered parka, which we'll talk about. He
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was actually wearing this because his father got it for
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him for Christmas, and he basically just like put it
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on his body and didn't take it off because he
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didn't he didn't shower, he didn't change his clothes, so
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you know, it was still it only been worn for
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about a month straight, so it was much cleaner than
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the rest of him, and it could still be seen
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that it was bright orange, which is very memorable, but
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you know, still dirty and disgusting. So anyway, at first,
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Nancy had no clue who this transient man was. But
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then Richard said something to her that was very, very specific,
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Nancy's boyfriend in high school, a boy named Kurt, had
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died in a motorcycle accident while they were in high school,
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which Richard obviously would have remembered because he went to
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school with them. The only thing that Richard said to
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this woman in the grocery store, or the first thing
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I guess he said to her, was were you on
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the motorcycle when Kurt died. It was at this point
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that the woman looked more closely at Richard, still couldn't
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figure out who he was, and then said who are you.
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He told her he was Rick Chase, and she was
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shocked because obviously, like I said, very very different look
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to him nowadays. He then started kind of following her
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around the store and asking her for a ride, saying, Oh,
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I don't have my car, can you give me a ride?
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She kept telling him no, I can't do that, and
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he continued to sort of follow her around and even
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followed her all the way out to her car. Nancy
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was so scared that she jumped into her car and
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locked him out, like he was trying to open the
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handle of her door to get in, even though she
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told him over and over, I can't give you a ride,
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so she locked the door and sped away. And this
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is important later it comes back, but it's also just
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like a really freaky interaction that shows kind of how
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out of it and scary he was at this time,
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even just despite like the things we know that he
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was doing, he just presented as a really whacked out,
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scary fucking dude. That same day, also January twenty third,
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nineteen seventy, this is a big day for Richard. He
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again escalated his crimes. So you know, this is a crazy,
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crazy fucking day. Now, around midday, he again went out
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walking in the area near his apartment, just sort of
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meandering around. He walked through people's yards onto their porches.
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He was trying doors and windows, and he was completely
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unbothered by the people who saw him doing this, which
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there were some. The worst thing about that is that
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nobody called the police. Many people were weirded out, but
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they didn't think that he was dangerous. So there were
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reports of like later on, like neighbors being like, oh, yeah,
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we saw him. We were talking to our neighbor about it.
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We thought it was really weird, but we didn't do anything,
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which really sucks. So anyway, he makes his way to
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twenty three sixty to Yoga Way in Sacramento, and this
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is the home of twenty two year old Teresa Wallen
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and her husband. Now, Teresa was pregnant at the time
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and had just returned home from the grocery store where
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she had cashed a ten dollar check. And yes, this
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was the same grocery store where he had just accosted Nancy.
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So if we want to talk about whether or not
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this was planned, that gives us a little bit of
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a clue, and that will kind of come up later. Now,
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very unfortunately, Teresa's door was unlocked, so when Richard tried it,
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he was able to go right inside, and he did
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in the middle of the day, in the middle of
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a big, busy city. When Richard entered, Teresa was walking
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from her kitchen to the front door with a bag
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of trash in her hands. She was going out through
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the front and she had done so. Had sorry, had
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she done so even ten seconds earlier, she probably would
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have been able to stop Richard from entering her home.
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But very unfortunately, that is not what happened. When Teresa
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saw Richard, she dropped the bag of trash, probably because
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Richard had already pulled his gun from his holster and
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was aiming it at Teresa. With no hesitation, he fired
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the gun. The first shot went through Teresa's hand, traveled
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up her arm and exited her elbow, then grazed her
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neck so that's horrifying. It went through inside of her hand,
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came out and hit her again, absolutely terrible. The next
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bullet hit her in the jaw, shattering her jaw and
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knocking her to the ground. Teresa, always smiling and happy,
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had a look of terror on her face at this moment.
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That was still there when detectives found her, and that
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haunted them for many years. While Teresa was on the ground,
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seriously wounded but not yet dead, Richard approached her, put
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the gun six inches from her head, and fired into
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her temple, and this killed Teresa instantly. Richard then dragged
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Teresa's body from the living room to a bedroom, then
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went to the kitchen to find a knife. This is
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a trigger warning moment. There will be another one, but
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this is the first one of this episode. Richard then
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raped her dead body while stabbing her in the stomach
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with the knife that he took from the kitchen. He
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also cut off one of her nipples and cut her
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open from her sternum to her hips, pulling out her intestines,
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cutting out both of her kidneys and placing them in
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different places in her body, and also cutting out her spleen.
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He found a yogurt cup in her trash bag and
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used it to drink her blood as it spilled out
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of her body, which is discussing on many many levels.
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As his final fuck you to this completely random, poor
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young woman, he went into her yard and found dog
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feces from her pet german shepherd and shoved it down
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her throat before leaving the house. Her husband came home
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hours later after work and found her body, which I
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cannot imagine what that's like. He called the police, and
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he also called Teresa's parents, who somehow ended up seeing
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her body. I don't know how that happened, but they
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did when police were called to the scene. When they
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got there, as I said, they were horrified, but they
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also took immediate action. They started interviewing neighbors and many
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came forward with that same story of a strange, disheveled
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man walking around the area that day. From these descriptions,
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people were able to create a sketch police wear, sorry,
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and also noted his clothing, including the orange parka, which
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is a pretty like that stands out right. Sadly, all
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of this took several days to put together, even though
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they were working quickly, These things take time, and meanwhile,
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Richard would continue his reign of terror on the people
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of Sacramento. Four days later, on January twenty seventh, Richard
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would kill again, but before he did that, he called
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his mother to talk about little green men, among totally
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unhinged things, just all sorts of weird shit. He also
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walked around the area knocking on doors and asking for
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used newspapers, which is super weird and had an but
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he opened the door for him. Perhaps he would have
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struck sooner. Now many people came forward with this story,
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as well as a description of the man that matched
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the one who murdered Teresa Wallin. Now. Unfortunately, I thought
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I should mention this because it just kind of shows
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the type of person he was and the things he
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was doing. On January twenty fifth, so two days before
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his next murder, he bought two Labrador puppies listed for
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sale in the newspaper. The couple who sold him the
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puppies later told police he was really weird and that
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they found it strange that he didn't care about the
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sex or condition of the dogs, but they still sold
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them to him. Fucking red flag guys. There were same
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couple actually found one of their other puppies dead in
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their backyard after selling Richard the dogs, having been shot
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to death and then split open with a knife. So
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you know, I think we all know what happened. In
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any case, on to the next human murders, And as
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bad as the last murder was, this one is far
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far worse in my mind. On January twenty seventh, nineteen
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seventy eight, Richard went out walking and eventually entered the
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unlocked home of Evelyn Moroth, a thirty eight year old
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single mother to a six year old boy named Jason. Now,
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on this day, Evelyn was also babysitting her sister's twenty
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month old son that day. His name was uh I
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think Daniel. Actually, she also had a friend over helping out,
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and his name was Dan Meredith and he went by Danny. Now,
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these two were not romantically involved, and Evelyn actually had
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a boyfriend, but they were good friends and Danny helped
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her out a lot, and he cared about her family
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a lot. Now. That morning, her good friend and neighbor
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from across the street, I think her name is NIONI
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had asked if Evelyn and Jason wanted to go to
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the snow in the nearby mountains. It doesn't snow very
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often up there. Really. I lived in Sacramento area for
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the Sacramentar area for years and years, and I think
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I saw snow once, So it was a big deal.
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You know, to you either have to drive to see
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it or if it was nearby. But anyway, this neighbor
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was like, hey, do you guys want to go? Evelyn said,
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you know, I can't, I'm babysitting, but if you can
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take Jason, that would be great. And Naoni agreed, and
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Evelyn said, you know, I'll have him over just after
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ten o'clock. I'm gonna go rent him some snow shoes.
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Now around eleven am, Naoi was like, where's Jason? So
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she sent her daughter, who was also six, over to
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the house to see where they were because they were
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super super late. When nobody answered, her daughter Tracy came
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back home, and a few minutes later Naoni herself went
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to see what was going on. When she knocked on
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the door again, nobody answered. She told another friend and neighbor,
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also named Nancy, who then went inside Evelyn's house from
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the back door and found a man's body on the
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floor covered in blood. Nancy began screaming, then shouted, then
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ran from the home, saying that someone was in there,
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but that something was terribly wrong. The police were called
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and they came to an absolutely horrific scene. Just inside
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the front door. Danny Meredith's body was lying on the
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floor covered in blood. He had been shot in the
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head and was later determined to have been dead for
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a few hours. Detectives then saw blood in a nearby
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bathroom and went in to find a tub full of
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bloody water. They then went into the main bedroom, where
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they found Evelyn's body. Evelyn had also been shot, but
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also horrifically mutilated, much in the way Teresa Wallen was.
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Evelyn was cut from her sternum to her hips and
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had her organs removed, also had them moved and her
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intestines pulled out of her body. She had also been
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raped post mortem and had also been stabbed in the
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anus repeatedly. Now these stabbings cut open her uterus from
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the other side. They were so violent and so hard
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that he actually cut almost all the way up through
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her body. One of her eyes was also horribly damaged,
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as it had been someone had attempted to cut it
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out but failed. We know who that someone is. Her son,
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six year old Jason Moroth, was found in another room
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and had also been shot to death. As for her
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twenty month old nephew, David, when police entered the home,
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they found that he was missing. A huge manhunt began,
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despite police believing he was almost certainly already dead. Now,
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obviously this was Richard who committed these crimes, and after
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he had killed Danny, Evelyn and Jason, he fled in
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Danny's red station wagon, which police then started looking for.
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And I'm gonna jump ahead in the story now to
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tell you that this baby David was in fact dead
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and had most likely been killed while in his crib
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by being shot in the head, then taken from his
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home by Richard after he fled when Jason's friend Tracy
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came to get him to go to the snow So
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it was thought later that Richard had been interrupted and
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so just took the body, almost like in a panic.
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Richard took the boy to his home, where he stabbed
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him in the anus, just as he had done to Evelyn,
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and also cut a hole in the back of his
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head to more easily drink his blood. So this is
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fucking awful. This boy's body was found after Richard was arrested.
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He was found in a box in a garbage bin
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in March, so it took almost two months to find him,
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but at least it was found, which I'm happy that
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his family had that closure. Now, as for what happened
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at the house, it is thought that Evelyn may have
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been taking a bath when Richard entered the home, which
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is how the tub came to be filled with bloody water.
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She was definitely dragged into her room after being killed
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and was found to be wet, so it's not clear
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if Richard placed her in the tub or took her
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from it. Maybe he even bathed in the bloody tub himself.
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It is thought that Danny came back into the home
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while Richard was murdering Evelyn and Jason and was shot
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as he was kind of walking into the house from
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the back door. So for Danny it was like a
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sneak attack by Richard. I think they kind of surprised
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each other, and then obviously Jason and David were just
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shot their children. They couldn't defend themselves. That's fucking horrific.
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So now we have these two horrific murders, nearly back
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to back, obviously perpetrated by the same person, and police
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are desperate for answers. They even had a few suspects
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they brought in for questioning the same day as the murders,
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but they were ultimately released within a couple of days.
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They had Robert Wrestler from the FBI help them with
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a profile, which is crazy because this case moved so quickly.
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It seemed there wouldn't have been time for this, but
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there was. And he put together a pretty accurate description
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like white man mid twenties, probably doesn't drive, or if
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he does, wasn't driving at this point, recently out of
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a mental hospital suffering from mental problems, like he was
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pretty on. It was pretty accurate, which is wild. Now,
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five days after the first murder, the woman from the
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grocery store, Nancy, told her father in law about her
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run in with Richard, and he called police, giving them
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the name Richard Chase. Police asked why it took them
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so long to report the crime, and their answer was
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that the woman didn't realize what was going on until
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she saw the sketch of the suspect, at which point
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she immediately told someone from here. Police began looking into
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Richard's past, and I mean, it's pretty crazy what they found,
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of course, you know, including the time Richard was found
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covered in cow's blood in a field, you know, pretty
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gnarly and weird. They also looked up some of his
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history of purchases and found that he had been buying bullets.
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I don't know that they knew that he had guns,
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but they could sort of track that he was buying bullets.
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Obviously you're buying bullets, probably because you have a gun.
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So they then go to his apartment building because they
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decide they're going to arrest him. They're not even going
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to interview him. They've got enough on him. They're just
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gonna go get him. So they go to the apartments,
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they talk to the manager, let the manager know what's
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going on, which is great, and they go up and
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they knock on Richard's door. Now, Richard refused to answer,
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even though he was home and police could hear him
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in the apartment so police stood outside for quite a
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while while Richard refused to come out or even answer them.
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At one point they called his home phone and he answered,
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and then when he realized who it was, he hung up,
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which is so weird that he would like answer in
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that moment. But again, there's so much weirdness about this case,
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including the way that police finally got him, was that
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they pretended to leave, making a big deal about walking
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down the stairs and walking away, and this apparently fooled Richard,
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who then came out of his apartment with a big
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bag of trash in his hands or a box I
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think of trash. He immediately saw the police, who ordered
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him to stop, but I bet you can guess what
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he did instead. He ran away or tried to, but
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police were able to stop him and arrest him on sight. Now,
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inside the bag, I think it was a bunch of
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torn up paper, which is super random. But more importantly,
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what they found in Richard's back pocket was a light
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brown wallet, and in this wallet was Danny Meredith's ID card,
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as well as as his bank account, his bank card,
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library card, all his identifying stuff. So this was his
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wallet and it was on Richard when they arrested him.
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Of course, police take Richard down to the station, and
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after being taken in for questioning, he refused to admit
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any wrongdoing in terms of the murders, but he did
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admit to killing many dogs. Now, he also killed cats
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and rabbits, but in this moment, he was just admitting
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to the dogs because police had found newspapers with ads
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for dogs for sales circled, so they were like they
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knew he was still on that shit now. Also in
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his apartment, I mean, it was just a fucking disgusting scene.
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It was putrid smelling everything. Everything was covered in blood.
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His couch, his floor, his refrigerator, his countertops, his clothing.
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Everything was just covered in blood spatter and drips. I mean,
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what the hell. Absolutely disgusting. And there were bullet holes
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in the walls and in the ceiling because Richard had
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been shooting his gun in some sort of paranoid fit. Anyway,
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Richard continued to refuse to cooperate with police, but they
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had enough evidence without his help, including bullets that matched
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his gun at both crime scenes. They also had his
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footprints from Evelyn Moroth's home, and he was fucking covered
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in blood head to toe when he was arrested. Now,
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there was a lot of back and forth here, but
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essentially Richard went to trial for the murders in nineteen
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seventy nine, and the main focus of the trial was
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not whether or not he did it. They had a
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pretty open and shutcase. They had the gun evidence, they
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had eyewitness testimony. They had his hair and fingerprints and shoeprints.
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I don't think they had like blood DNA in the
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same way, but they could do blood typing to see
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that it all kind of aligned. They had the wallet.
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It was a slam dunk case in terms of like, yes,
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he did this, but the main focus was whether or
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not he was sane at the time of the murders. Now,
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his defense, of course, said that he was not, and
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that he wasn't able to premeditate these killings because he
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was too mentally ill. They pointed to his post arrest interviews,
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during which time he claimed to be a persecuted Jew
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with Nazis out to get him. He also continued on
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with his stuff about being dead, about his blood not working,
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having to drink animal blood to replace his blood, he
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has blood poisoning, just all that same shit. Also, while
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he was being held. He said that the food at
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the jail was being poisoned, going as far as having
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his defense team test the food, which of course came
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back negative. While there was no argument really that he
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was very mentally ill, the Proseccuschin argued that he was
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still very much in control of his actions at the
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time of the killings, citing his refusal to open the
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door for the police, his washing of his hands before
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leaving certain crime scenes, which apparently he did, his stocking
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of women, including Teresa Wallen, which showed there was premeditation
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in terms of finding victims, and their biggest smoking gun
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was Richard Chase himself confessing his crimes to a fellow inmate,
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including giving details about how he chose his victims, which
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proved premeditation. Richard straight up admitted to this inmate that
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he had followed Teresa Wallen home before killing her, which
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is very much first degree murder, and this inmate agreed
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to testify for nothing in return, so he wasn't given
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a reduced sentence or any sort of favor. He just
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testified because this is what he heard and he wanted
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him to be held accountable. I guess now Richard's family
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stood by him during this trial, or at least his
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mother did, and to kind of show what kind of
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people his parents were, or at least his mother was.
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At one point during the trial, his mother confronted Teresa
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Wallen's husband and told him that it was their dog's
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fault for not protecting her from Richard, because apparently the
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dog was in the home and didn't keep Richard from
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killing her. So Richard's mother said it was the dog's
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fault that she died and not her son's fault. What
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a fucking asshole anyway. In May of nineteen seventy nine,
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after just a few weeks of trial, Richard was found
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guilty on all six counts of murder and was sentenced
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to the gas chamber. Uh oh, there's a car alarm
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going off. And to clarify, when I say six counts,
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I'm talking about Teresa Wallen, Evelyn Moroth, Jason Moroth, Danny Meredith,
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Daniel Ferrera or David Ferrera, her nephew, and Teresa Wallin's
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unborn child. Richard was found guilty and was sentenced to
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the gas chamber. Once in prison, Chase continued to be
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a big problem, acting in very psychotic ways, causing trouble
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and actually scaring other prisoners who kept away from him
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or tried to convince him to kill himself because they
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both hated and feared him. For a time. He was
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sent to a mental hospital, but returned to prison in
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nineteen eighty after being deemed ready for reintegration with the
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general prison population, which sounds like a little horseshit to me,
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but whatever that being said. To prove my point, he
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kept talking about the food being poisoned, there being UFOs,
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and all sorts of other crazy shit. Kind Of a
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cool part of this case, or an interesting part, I
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should say, is that the I took a really strong
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interest in Richard due to his being a perfect example
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of what is now called a quote disorganized killer. This
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meant like being a disorganized killer means you have no process,
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So he had no process to his killings, was completely
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random in his choice of victims, was socially withdrawn, and
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basically just had no rhyme or reason to what he
29:22
was doing, just like there was no rhyme or reason
29:25
to most of his life. Now there are organized killers
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and disorganized killers. An organized killer would be somebody like
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Israel Keys if you don't know who he is, look
29:33
him up. He's probably the most interesting serial killer in
29:37
my opinion. I can't really cover him because he wasn't
29:41
California based. But on Twisted Listers, I did like a
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Patreon episode that I think I posted on a regular podcast.
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You could hear about it. I did it a long
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time ago, but it's still interesting. I think I covered
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a lot. But anyway, he's a great example of like
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an organized killer. He plans everything well in advances, got
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his tools, he's got his like processes. It's also called
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like another factor. I don't know if they're the same thing,
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but as like a process killer, so a killer that
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has a particular way that they kill because they enjoy
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the kill. With Richard Chase, he was a product killer,
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and he was a disorganized killer. So he wasn't killing
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for the sake of killing. He was killing for the blood.
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He was killing for what he got from the dead body.
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And he was also extraordinarily disorganized in that process obviously.
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So to kind of figure out more about Richard Chase
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and the way that he worked, Robert Wrestler interviewed him
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a bunch of times between nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty,
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And obviously they weren't doing this just to find out
30:45
more about Richard, like they wanted to find out more
30:47
about killers like him. So it's really interesting that he
30:51
was so integral to the FBI's overall understanding of different
30:55
types of serial killers or different types of killers in general. Unfortunately,
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Wrestler had very little time with Chase as he died.
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Richard died at the end of nineteen eighty on December
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twenty sixth. In fact, nineteen eighty, around eleven am, Richard
31:15
Chase was found unresponsive in his jail cell. Now he
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had intentionally overdosed on sinequin, a drug he was prescribed
31:23
for his hallucinations and depression. He had pretended to take
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this pill every day for over a month, instead saving
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and hiding them until he had enough to overload his system,
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which is exactly what he did. So this is another
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instance of him being mentally ill enough to want to
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do something like kill himself and mentally cognizant enough to
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plan and execute his own death. So a very interesting
31:54
sort of look into how somebody can be very very
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mentally ill, very tormented and tortured, and still with it
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enough mentally to know what they're doing and to do
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horrible things. So it's interesting to have sympathy for him
32:15
on the level that he was mentally ill, he was tormented,
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he was never given the help that he needed, but
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also hold him accountable for the horrific things that he
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did as a murderer. Just absolutely fucking terrible the things
32:29
that he did. And the thing that the only thing
32:32
that I take solace in, which really isn't much of
32:35
anything at all, is that he did not mutilate and
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torture these people while they were alive, which is a
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very small favor. But in the end, at least these
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people died quickly, they were not tortured, they were not
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you know, assaulted sexually or otherwise while they were alive.
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But it's definitely not like a silver lining any means.
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It's definitely not like a happy ending to the story.
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It's just an at least moment, well, at least it
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wasn't the most horrifying thing I've ever heard. It was close,
33:15
but at least it wasn't. I don't know, I don't
33:17
know what I'm trying to say here. This is a
33:19
fucked up, fucking tale, and Honestly, I thought these two
33:23
parts were gonna be much longer. I think, now that
33:26
I'm looking at I probably could have done this in
33:27
one episode, and I apologize that I did not. I
33:30
think maybe mentally I needed the break, but I apologize
33:35
for the kind of shorter episodes these last two weeks.
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We'll be getting back to it full force next week
33:40
with something exciting and interesting. I think I'm gonna do
33:43
an unsolved mystery case. But yeah, Thanks everybody for listening.
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