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- Lucas: So we've talked a lot about headlines and single-word changes in past episodes. But today I want to get into something that's everywhere on landing pages and yet almost always done wrong: testimonials. Luna: You mean the little quote boxes at the bottom of a sales page? Yeah, most of them feel like filler. 'Great product, would recommend.' That kind of thing. Lucas: Exactly. And that's a problem because social proof is one of the most powerful persuaders we have. But if the testimonial is vague, it actually does nothing — or worse, it signals that even the customer couldn't find something specific to say. Luna: So what's the alternative? Do you want a paragraph-long case study every time? Lucas: Not necessarily. But there's a sweet spot. Let me give you a concrete example. In 2024, a B2B SaaS company called Leadfeeder — they do website visitor identification — ran a test. They had a testimonial from a marketing director that said: 'Leadfeeder helps us identify key accounts and prioritize outreach. It's a valuable tool for our sales team.' That's decent, right? It names a benefit. Luna: It's okay. It's not terrible. But it's a little generic. Lucas: Right. So they rewrote it with the exact same customer — they just asked for more specifics. The revised version said: 'With Leadfeeder, we identified 47 accounts in the first month that were actively researching us. Our sales team closed three of those accounts within two weeks — that's about $12,000 in new revenue directly attributed to the tool.' Luna: Oh, that's a completely different ballgame. You've got numbers, you've got a timeframe, you've got a dollar amount. Lucas: Exactly. And the conversion rate on the page with that new testimonial went up 34 percent. Not a small bump. One testimonial change moved the needle by a third. Luna: And I'm guessing the original customer was happy to provide those specifics once they were asked the right questions. Lucas: That's the key. Most copywriters just take whatever the customer says in an email and drop it in. But the best testimonials are almost always the result of a structured interview. You ask: 'What was the situation before? What specific numbers changed? How much time or money did you save?' Luna: It's basically the Claude Hopkins formula applied to testimonials. He said 'specificity is the soul of persuasion.' Lucas: Absolutely. And this goes back to direct mail in the 1920s. Hopkins would never run a testimonial that said 'this product is great.' He wanted names, addresses, and specific results. He knew that vague praise triggers skepticism — the reader thinks 'of course they'd say that.' But a specific claim like 'I saved $47 in the first week' feels verifiable. Luna: There's also a psychological principle at play here — the 'truth effect.' Concrete details make a statement feel more truthful, even if the reader doesn't verify it. Our brains associate specifics with real experience. Lucas: Right. And the absence of specifics has the opposite effect. If the testimonial is generic, the reader subconsciously assumes it's made up or that the customer isn't that impressed. So the bar is actually pretty low — just adding one specific number can transform a testimonial from useless to powerful. Luna: Do you have another example where the before and after is really stark? Lucas: Yeah, there's a classic from the software company Basecamp. They used to run a testimonial that said: 'Basecamp keeps our team organized and on track.' Fine, but boring. Then they rewrote it as: 'Since switching to Basecamp, we've cut our project turnaround time by 40 percent and reduced email volume by 200 messages a week.' That's a testimonial that actually sells the product. Luna: And it's credible because it's specific. The reader can picture the 40 percent reduction. They can imagine 200 fewer emails. That's concrete. Lucas: Exactly. And the other thing — the company didn't change the customer or the sentiment. They just changed the way they asked. Most customers have these specifics in their head, but they don't volunteer them. You have to pull them out. Luna: So if someone is listening and they want to improve their testimonials today, what's the one question they should ask their customers? Lucas: Ask: 'What was the one measurable result you got from using our product that surprised you the most?' That question forces them to think about a specific number or outcome, not just a general opinion. Luna: That's good. And then follow up with: 'How does that compare to what you were doing before?' Because the before and after framing is what creates the story. Lucas: Right. And if you can get a testimonial that includes a before and after with a specific metric, you've got gold. That's the format that made direct mail work for decades. Luna: It also makes the testimonial more shareable. When I hear 'we closed three accounts in two weeks for $12,000,' I could repeat that to a colleague. The vague one I'd forget in seconds. Lucas: Exactly. And that leads to another point — testimonials should be designed to be quotable. If someone reads it and can immediately retell it to a friend, it's doing its job. That's the viral loop of social proof. Luna: It's like a good headline. The best ones are sticky. Lucas: Speaking of which — if these marketing conversations have sparked something you've actually used, or even just made you think differently about a campaign, we just want to say that this show stays ad-free because a small number of listeners chip in. It's not a big thing, but it's how we keep doing episodes like this without selling your attention to sponsors. If that's something you value, there's a way to support it — it's buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Luna: And honestly, it's what lets us dig into these details instead of rushing to fit in ad breaks. So if you've gotten something out of today's episode, that's the only ask. And we appreciate it. Lucas: Yeah. So back to the specifics. One more thing I want to flag — the placement of the testimonial matters too. The Leadfeeder test placed their new testimonial right above the call to action button, and that's where they saw the lift. Luna: So not just the words, but where they sit on the page. Lucas: Right. Because at that moment, the reader is deciding whether to click. A specific testimonial right there can be the nudge that overcomes the last bit of hesitation. It's like having a trusted friend whisper in your ear at the critical moment. Luna: And that's actually consistent with a lot of eye-tracking studies. People do look at testimonials, but only if they're placed near the decision point. Lucas: Exactly. So if you're running a campaign this week, take one testimonial from your page and rewrite it using the before and after with a specific number. Test it for two weeks. My bet is you'll see something in the data. Luna: I think that's a challenge we can all take away. One testimonial rewrite. No big redesign. Just better words. Lucas: And that's really what this show is about — small changes that make a measurable difference. Thanks for listening.