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Halloween Week: Lady of the Lake - Hallie Illingworth · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The Lady of the Lake. There are so many different
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  Speaker 1: tales and stories surrounding such a title. Ghost stories, cryptids,
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  Speaker 1: and the occasional heartwarming stories are thrown in there just
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  Speaker 1: for good measure. But a happy ending tale is not
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  Speaker 1: what you're here for, is it?
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  Speaker 2: Of course?
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  Speaker 1: Not what else would you expect from a show with
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  Speaker 1: a name wicked and grim. In today's case, The Lake
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  Speaker 1: Lady of the Lake is very much so a true story.
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  Speaker 1: It is one of the disappearance of Haley Illingsworth. It
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  Speaker 1: is a tale of murder, heartbreak, covering one's own tracks
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  Speaker 1: and sadness. But if you do like true crime, this
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  Speaker 1: will be right up your alley.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: All that on its own is not what makes this
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  Speaker 1: story worth telling for the third annual Halloween Week No no,
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  Speaker 1: no for you. See, when Haley's body was finally turned
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  Speaker 1: up in the cold waters of a lake, a very
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  Speaker 1: interesting thing had happened to her corpse over time, which
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  Speaker 1: left her almost not decomposed at all despite the year's passing.
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  Speaker 1: The results left are a story for the ages, one
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  Speaker 1: that will certainly transcend time into legend. Now, though without
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  Speaker 1: further ado, ladies, gentlemen, theys and damns, my name is Jacko,
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  Speaker 1: and I am your master of ceremonies. It is my
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  Speaker 1: absolute pleasure to hand you off to your host Ben
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  Speaker 1: and Nicole of Wicked and Grim to tell you the
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  Speaker 1: story of Lake Crescents, Lady of the Lake.
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  Speaker 3: Day three of the third annual Halloween week. Here we are.
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  Speaker 3: How's it going, Thanks Jacko for the intro. You're awesome
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  Speaker 3: as always.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, day three already we're just flying.
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  Speaker 3: By, flying through it, and that means Halloween's all that closer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is exciting.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm curious, do you guys have your Halloween costumes
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  Speaker 3: picked out yet? Because you're running out of time, So
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  Speaker 3: I'm here's your warning. A few jeez, we'll stop by
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  Speaker 3: after work somewhere get what you got to get. Hopefully
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  Speaker 3: that Amazon package arrives in time. I wouldn't rely on
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  Speaker 3: Amazon at this point.
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  Speaker 2: No, personally, they've let us down lately. Actually they have.
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  Speaker 2: But we have a few things to grab too.
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  Speaker 3: We do I need a wig? That's all he's gonna say,
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  Speaker 3: is I need Okay, Okay, it's all good.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, you're not supposed to say what we're
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  Speaker 2: going to be. That's for Instagram Live.
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  Speaker 3: To touche tooche. If you want to see what we're
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  Speaker 3: actually going to be, you have to catch up on
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  Speaker 3: the socials. But I do need a wig to finish
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  Speaker 3: my ensemble, if you will. And I think yours is complete,
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  Speaker 3: does it not?
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  Speaker 2: I might need one more piece, gotcha?
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  Speaker 3: Gotcha? I saw what you did there. I know what
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  Speaker 3: you're talking about. Y'all. Good, y'all good, Okay, So I
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  Speaker 3: have I have a confession to make. What's that you
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  Speaker 3: have not been following my itinerary for Halloween week at
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  Speaker 3: all yet?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I haven't.
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  Speaker 3: I have been, but I haven't.
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  Speaker 2: Well the case is that you have thought you were
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  Speaker 2: going to be doing exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I planned out like the cases for Halloween week,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like the day rolls around where it's like
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be like I'm researching today's case, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, it just doesn't feel right. So I go
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  Speaker 3: find something else and I'm like, ooh, this is better.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's what I've been doing.
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  Speaker 2: That's so interesting, but I loving't it. Yeah, hopefully that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't happen to me because I announced which when I
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  Speaker 2: was doing for Patreon.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah you fucked now. So yeah, stuck with it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I feel like they might forgive me. I also
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  Speaker 2: have to say I just have to do a side
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  Speaker 2: note here because we posted our photo shoot photos we
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  Speaker 2: did on Instagram and Facebook, and I would not kill
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  Speaker 2: Ben that quickly. I wouldn't, Okay, it was just for
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  Speaker 2: it was for.
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  Speaker 3: The photo shoot. And also I mean, like, if you
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  Speaker 3: look at the photos, like, because if you haven't seen it,
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  Speaker 3: we're having a picnic, zombie comes up, bites me. I
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  Speaker 3: kill it. I turned into a zombie. Nicole needs to
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  Speaker 3: kill me. If you look at the photos, I turn quick.
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  Speaker 2: Real quick. And yeah, there's been some comments about that,
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  Speaker 2: which is funny.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean some zombie movies A zombies turn real fast,
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  Speaker 3: do they? Oh yeah, there's even one zombie movie. I
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  Speaker 3: want to say it's twenty eight days later. I could
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  Speaker 3: be wrong, but there's a dude who gets a he's
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  Speaker 3: looking up at it like a structure, and there's a
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  Speaker 3: body hanging up there, and a drop of blood falls
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  Speaker 3: in his eye and he turns from that and like
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  Speaker 3: in seconds.
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  Speaker 2: Really, yes, holy shit, that's terrifying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because the virus got into his bloodstream via that transmission. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So but yeah, telling a story in ten photos on
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  Speaker 3: Instagram is a little difficult. So Facebook had it better.
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  Speaker 3: Facebook has it better. They got more photos to tell
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  Speaker 3: the in between a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: Well. The only I love all the photos. The only
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  Speaker 2: thing that I that was not my idea that I
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  Speaker 2: was like, this makes me look like a cold bit
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  Speaker 2: is the fact that I was supposed to take a
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  Speaker 2: sip of wine after.
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  Speaker 3: And walk away like a bad assal So.
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  Speaker 2: Walking away with the wine bottle was okay, but the
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  Speaker 2: actual like after I just like killed you, like taking
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  Speaker 2: a sip. I had wanted to put like a rose
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  Speaker 2: or something on your chest so I didn't look like
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  Speaker 2: such a bouch, but that didn't happen.
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  Speaker 3: It was a little cheesy. I thought, if you just
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  Speaker 3: have a sweach, like you just went through some trauma,
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  Speaker 3: so you're numbing your pain and you're off to take
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  Speaker 3: on the apocalypse.
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  Speaker 2: Oh shit, that would be that would be terrifying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be wow.
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  Speaker 2: Like just just now, for some reason, I actually put
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  Speaker 2: myself in those shoes. I didn't do that at the shoot,
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  Speaker 2: but now I'm like.
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  Speaker 3: Shit, yeah, I think we're gonna have to go to
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  Speaker 3: Patreon and actually start talking to people their their apocalypse plans. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: But we we've been rambling a little bit about apocalypse
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  Speaker 3: stuff and we should probably get to the case.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well, as Jacko so aptly said, this is
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  Speaker 3: the Lake Crescents, Lady of the Lake. And I have
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  Speaker 3: heard men of tails regarding Lady of the lake, this
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  Speaker 3: Lady of the Lake. That there's many Ladies of the lake,
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  Speaker 3: many of them being ghost stories and stuff. But this
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  Speaker 3: one is not a ghost story. It is a true
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  Speaker 3: crime case.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So it happened in the hazy summer of nineteen forty,
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  Speaker 3: so we're going back in time just a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: It was on the tranquil surface of Lake Crescent in
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  Speaker 3: Olympic National Park. Now this area bor witness to the
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  Speaker 3: whole eerie event, and it would send shivers down the
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  Speaker 3: spines of basically the entire community living in the area,
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  Speaker 3: and I mean rightfully so. So a blanket swathed bundle
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  Speaker 3: emerged floating on the water from the depths of the lake, prompting,
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  Speaker 3: of course, authorities to be called and launching an investigation.
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  Speaker 3: So they meticulously unraveled the layers of this bundled up
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  Speaker 3: bunch of blankets that was bound with rope, only to
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  Speaker 3: reveal the lifeless body of a woman. So what made
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  Speaker 3: this grim discovery even more chilling was the preservation of
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  Speaker 3: the body, despite the brutality that was clearly inflicted upon
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  Speaker 3: her body from obvious strangulation marks and trauma. For example,
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  Speaker 3: she had defied the natural course of decay. She was
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  Speaker 3: clearly in the water for her while for a while,
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  Speaker 3: and her skin which was void of facial features and
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  Speaker 3: fingertips because those had rotted away. She'd gone under an
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  Speaker 3: uncanny transformation.
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  Speaker 2: If you will, because just wait side note here. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: because be a body in water does not tend to
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  Speaker 2: speed up the decay.
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  Speaker 3: It speeds up the decay process. Yes, Okay, So in
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  Speaker 3: this case, the body was certainly in the water for
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  Speaker 3: a very long time, and we will touch on how
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  Speaker 3: long later, But she did not decay. In fact, she
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  Speaker 3: was preserved wow, which again we'll touch on later.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I have thought, but let's we'll touch on it later.
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  Speaker 3: Well, go ahead with your thought, because I haven't even
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  Speaker 3: finished talking here, and your thoughts probably going to change
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  Speaker 3: my next sentence.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, now I don't want to say it, but
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  Speaker 2: I was like maybe it's something within that water of
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  Speaker 2: the lake that's preserving her, is my thought.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean technically yes, but there's a whole chain
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  Speaker 3: of events though, ass to it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hear it.
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  Speaker 3: So, this whole transformation turned her skin basically into like
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  Speaker 3: a substance akin to soap. Really, yeah, it was a
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  Speaker 3: very macab phenomenon that is known as sap on effication.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying that slow so you can hear it. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: sap on afication.
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard of that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Now, this unsettling phenomenon occurs when fatty acids within
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  Speaker 3: the body react to the cold alkaline waters, creating a
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  Speaker 3: ghastly transformation. The results left her once nice, soft textured
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  Speaker 3: skin to be replaced with a grotesque form where the
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  Speaker 3: skin could be quote scooped away like putty.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Really yes, Oh okay, I really wanted.
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  Speaker 3: To put that term in there too, scooped away like putty,
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  Speaker 3: because that is a whole ass visual And I primarily
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  Speaker 3: picked this one for Halloween week because of.
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  Speaker 2: That, right, because of the scoop like puddy.
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  Speaker 3: Could you imagine like just like I can picture touching
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  Speaker 3: someone's face and just like your fingers sink in just
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  Speaker 3: like you're just like like it's like a putty and
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  Speaker 3: you can just like grab pieces off like a handful
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  Speaker 3: of flood. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's not okay, that's.
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  Speaker 3: Not okay, Okay, No, it was. It was a horror
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  Speaker 3: that basically defied explanation at the time, like how or
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  Speaker 3: why this happened basically just baffled everybody. Now the lake itself,
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  Speaker 3: Lake Crescent. Normally it's known for its serene pa but
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  Speaker 3: it does have a bit of a darker reputation beneath
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  Speaker 3: its waters. Now, there are some legends behind the lake,
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  Speaker 3: which I'm going to touch on here. And these legends
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  Speaker 3: talk about ancient battles between I'm probably gonna butcher the
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  Speaker 3: names here, but I'm going to do my best Klalam
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  Speaker 3: and Quilouette tribes. They battled beneath the looming mount storm King. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the mountain, which was enraged over this battle, hurled a
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  Speaker 3: massive stone into the valley, which damned the river, which
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  Speaker 3: and gave birth to Lake Crescent. Okay, So the aftermath
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  Speaker 3: of that mythical battle had instilled instilled fear into the
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  Speaker 3: hearts of like generations of these Native American individuals, causing
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  Speaker 3: them to actually steer clear of these lakes, believing it
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  Speaker 3: to basically be cursed, and according to the chilling lore,
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  Speaker 3: Crescent Lake never relinquishes it's dead, a belief that was
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  Speaker 3: held very stern until this summer of nineteen forty of.
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  Speaker 2: Course, Like what do you mean exactly by that? Like
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  Speaker 2: people die in there but they're never found kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm sure bodies are dumped in there too,
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  Speaker 3: because the lake is actually known to be over six
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  Speaker 3: hundred feet deep, and there are reports of some spots
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  Speaker 3: apparently even being up too close to one thousand feet
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  Speaker 3: deep in certain areas. Yeah, that's a deep ass lake.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems bizarre. Actually.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Now it's always been like notorious of this not
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  Speaker 3: giving up the dead thing, and I'm assuming it's because
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  Speaker 3: of that deep water. Even if you go back into
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  Speaker 3: like the history with all these legends and stuff, I'm
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  Speaker 3: assuming that deep water would make it hard to recover
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  Speaker 3: some bodies.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like I don't even know what you would
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  Speaker 2: use to if you could even really go that deep
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  Speaker 2: to look.
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  Speaker 3: Hey not really, No.
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  Speaker 2: I don't actually really know if i'd even want to
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  Speaker 2: swim in there.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds kind of terrified, just not knowing what's down there.
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  Speaker 2: But that lake that we had that we used to
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  Speaker 2: visit all the time, close to Jasper, it would have
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  Speaker 2: probably have been pretty dang deep too.
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  Speaker 3: I want that deep Horseshoe Lake. Yeah, no, no way,
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  Speaker 3: it's that deep. Okay, not even close.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I need the comparison, you know. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what lake I've been to that's been that deep.
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  Speaker 3: Probably none, No, I don't think so. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: I think the closest would probably be like Francois, But
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  Speaker 3: that's not even close to this. France was like maybe
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  Speaker 3: one hundred feet deep or something. I'm thinking, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I'm just kind of going off like the
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  Speaker 3: top of my head here. So anyways, it's a deep
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  Speaker 3: ass lake. That's what we need to know. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 3: the whole tale of Crescent Lake and what just happened
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  Speaker 3: was spreading the mysterious woman that was found in the
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  Speaker 3: heart of the lake swiftly acquired a very haunting moniker,
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  Speaker 3: the lady of the lake. So the public, fueled by
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  Speaker 3: this whole gripping narrative, had tabloids are going and it
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  Speaker 3: basically started this whole mystique around the story who is
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  Speaker 3: she what happened? How did she basically turn to fucking soap?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, and how long has she been in there?
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  Speaker 2: Like I have questions too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So the authorities were now faced with an immense challenge.
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  Speaker 3: They had to reveal the identity of this woman and
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  Speaker 3: perhaps even more daunting, apprehend her ruthless killer because she
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  Speaker 3: did have some marks of brutality on her body, right right,
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  Speaker 3: and she was bowed and bound and tied. So her
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  Speaker 3: body was taken in for examination, a vigil inspection and
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  Speaker 3: the subsequent autopsy of her body showed that the woman
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  Speaker 3: met a very violent death. Her neck was bruised and discolored,
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  Speaker 3: her chest showed evidence of extensive hemorrhaging. So she had
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  Speaker 3: clearly been beaten and strangled.
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  Speaker 2: That's freaking sad it is.
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  Speaker 3: Initially, there wasn't much to go on for identifying her,
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  Speaker 3: as I had already sent fingerprints her finger, the tips
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  Speaker 3: of her fingers, the tips of her toes, and her
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  Speaker 3: face had decayed away. Okay, so there wasn't much for
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  Speaker 3: identification unfortunately, But after tireless efforts, a breakthrough finally came
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  Speaker 3: from an unexpected source, a tenacious medical student by the
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  Speaker 3: name of Harlan McNutt. Now in the feet of sheer
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  Speaker 3: will and diligence and examining the student unearthed a critical clue,
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  Speaker 3: an upper dental plate. Okay, yeah, So this seemingly insignificant
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  Speaker 3: piece of evidence served as the literal missing link connecting
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  Speaker 3: the nameless victim to a woman who had vanished from
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  Speaker 3: the local landscape three years ago. Three years, three years
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  Speaker 3: she's been missing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So to even be able to tell how she died
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  Speaker 2: and stuff as a freaking miracle.
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  Speaker 3: Really, her body was preserved beautifully.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa Okay, I was thinking it was just going to
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  Speaker 2: maybe be like a couple months, and that in itself
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  Speaker 2: would almost be like a miracle that they could still
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  Speaker 2: tell stuff. Yeah, but three.
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  Speaker 3: Years, three years.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Also, kudos to this like doctor right for going
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  Speaker 2: the extra mile on right to that.
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  Speaker 3: And it wasn't even I don't think they were a
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  Speaker 3: doctor yet. They were a medical student. Yeah time, I
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  Speaker 3: love that, So good on them. Where am I here? Right? So,
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  Speaker 3: Ladya Lake was found to be a woman by the
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  Speaker 3: name of Haley Illingworth. She was a Port Angels waitress
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  Speaker 3: with a story both of hope and unfortunately despair. Now
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  Speaker 3: Haley was born on January eighth, nineteen oh one, into
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  Speaker 3: the humble abode of diligent farmers in Greenville, Kentucky. Throughout
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  Speaker 3: her young adult years, she embarked on series of journeys
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  Speaker 3: heading westward, driven by the pursuit of a better life,
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  Speaker 3: especially since she had gone through two marriages and just
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  Speaker 3: recently ended her second. And on that journey, she found
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  Speaker 3: her way to the shores of Lake Crescent. Yeah, amidst
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  Speaker 3: the whole like beauty of Olympic, the Olympic Peninsula and
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  Speaker 3: the whole surrounding area. Apparently it's gorgeous. Kind of want
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  Speaker 3: to check it out.
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  Speaker 2: How you first went about describing that though, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: my first self was, Oh, does she want to be
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  Speaker 2: an actress?
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  Speaker 3: No, she doesn't want to be an actress. No, she's
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  Speaker 3: just kinda like, I don't know, just you know, people
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  Speaker 3: want to leave the town there and just I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: just go find something new to start exactly, start over
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  Speaker 3: sort of thing, find something nice and find my own place.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of what she was doing.
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  Speaker 3: So she was trying to find her own place, and
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  Speaker 3: in that process she had found herself working a job
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  Speaker 3: as a barmaid at the Lake Crescent Tavern which is
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  Speaker 3: now known as Lake Crescent Lodge. So here fate introduced
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  Speaker 3: her to an individual named Montgomery aka monte j, a
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  Speaker 3: very charismatic guy known as apparently a ladies man. Oh
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  Speaker 3: and yet he was very deeply flawed. He was an
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  Speaker 3: individual who drove a beer truck which delivered was frothy,
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  Speaker 3: delicious beverages that I may or may not be enjoying.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, that you may enjoy like, you know, daily.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, semi daily. But he would deliver those drinks
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  Speaker 3: to the thirsty patrons at the tavern, you know, giving
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  Speaker 3: them their supply. And it was because she worked there,
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  Speaker 3: he made the deliveries. That's how they met.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: He probably liked going there then.
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  Speaker 3: Probably, and she probably liked him showing up.
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  Speaker 4: Ye.
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  Speaker 3: And it was because of this that Monty and Haley
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  Speaker 3: you know, had their their relationship bloom and their whole
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: romance thing began like a whole whirlwind. And that same
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: year they got married. It was June sixteenth, nineteen thirty six,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: when Haley was thirty six years old.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, and so they got married. This would have been
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: her third marriage then crrast.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, or sorry. I believe she was thirty five years old.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Technically my bad. So Yet behind the whole love and affection,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: as I had mentioned, Monty was somewhat of a flawed individual,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: and that began to show rather quickly.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Did he do this? Did he do this?
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Well, we're getting there. So their relationship turned out to
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: be quite volatile, if you will. Monty was known for
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: his charm, but he had this darker side. He didn't
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: even attempt to conceal his abuse on Haley or his
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: violence towards her. Only five months after their marriage, their
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: troubles in one event, spilled out into the streets in
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: the pre dawn altercation in front of a tavern that
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: they worked at. It was so fierce of a fight
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: apparently between the two, that law enforcement was called to
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: break it up.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I do not like that.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: No, not cool at all.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: No.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: So in the weeks leading up to the holiday season
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: of nineteen thirty seven, Haley would arrive to work each
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: day with her face marred with fresh bruises.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Sometimes her eyes would be swollen, blackened, and there would
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: be large marks and bruises on her arms and stuff
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Oh that's sickening.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she wasn't living a very good life, and I
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: don't think she was pretty happy, especially now this is
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: clearly going to be another marriage that she doesn't want
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: to be in, right.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: And then on the morning of December twenty second, only
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: a few days before Christmas, as the sun rose over
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: the horizon, Haley never showed up to work and she
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: was never seen alive again.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Wow, I mean I saw that coming, but frick that
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: pisses me off.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who do you think did it?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Actually, it's pretty clear. Well, I mean
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: sometimes you sure about that. I'm pretty sure about that.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: So sure things happen though, but I'm pretty sure about that.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: She feels so freaking bad for her, like she, i know,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: was trying to start her life and this was her
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: third marriage, and the fact that she didn't even give
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: up at that point, like she got married again, right,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and she's probably so hopeful and then just like yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Just getting kicked down over and over again. That that's heartbreaking,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: it is. I really feel for Haley that she especially
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: that she ended up with this dirt bag. I'm being honest.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, on dirt bag.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Monty was you know, question quickly where Haley was,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: and hey, do you know where where she is? What happened?
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Because hey, the spouse, right, always the first question, absolutely,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: and Monty offered a rather feeble explanation for the concerned
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: friends and family. He claimed that she decided to flee
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: with a sailor from Alaska.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, bullshit.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: It was like, oh, she went off with some other dude.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Would anyone even believe that?
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: No?
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: It pretty much just raised everyone's eyebrow, was like huh yeah. Yeah.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: So eventually months began passing by, but Haley's family received
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: no word from her, because like, hey, she'd probably send
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: letters or something, right, but didn't hear anything, And more
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: and more suspicions grew. But I mean, they couldn't do
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: anything right. Just Haley's gone. He says, she walked off
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: with another dude. What can you do?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: What can they do?
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And because his wife allegedly ran off, Monty was
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: granted a divorce, and he promptly relocated to California to
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: live with a woman who was the roommate of Haley's sister,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: and they apparently had already been having an affair before
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Haley's disappearance.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: This guy's a real winner.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's a dick.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm actually surprised at that Haley's sister's friend would
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: even wanting to do with him.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: No kidding, I'm surprised his name isn't Carl, Yeah, because
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: not cool Carl.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: What is his name?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Monty?
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Oh? Monty? Okay, I forgot. I was at the piece
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: of shit's name fair?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: That's fair. So it would be three agonizing years later,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: on the summer day of nineteen forty, when the secret
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: of Lake Crescent began to surface, two fishermen spotted Haley's
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: lifeless body wrapped up in the blankets and bound in
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: the water. So her journey to the surface of the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: water was a happenstance of the elements mixed with the
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: crime itself. So we're going to touch on one of
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: those right now. So Lake Crescent had Hailey's body submerged
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: in the frigid deep waters. The cold basically became the
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: way on how she was preserved, thwarting any sort of decomposition.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: She was basically thrown in a freezer is essentially what
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: It's a cold ass lake, a deep ass lake, and
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: she was down at the bottom, so bacterial growth and
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: stuff not happening, right, Yeah, which makes me think if
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: someone was to dive to the bottom of that lake,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: how many just bodies would be seen down there?
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Gosh, I don't even think anyone could pay me to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: That would be terrifying, right, It's not like you're seeing skeletons.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: You're just going to see a perfectly preserved person.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's my one of my worst nightmares right there. Like,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I hate the seeing the bottom of water is terrifying.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: The bottom of water is terrifying.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Really, why, because what the shit's down there? There's so
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: much we don't know. I think that's in like lakes and.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Well the ocean especially, Oh yeah no, yeah, so basically
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: being down there being thrown in this not not a freezer,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: She's not frozen, but she's damn near.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Right yea like a fridge or yeah, even more so.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so slowly the salt and the calcium in
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: the water initially was what started the whole alchemy process
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: transforming her flesh into this like soap akin like substance.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: So it became began this whole chemical process of breaking
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: her flesh down and turning it into something else. Okay,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: So and being down there for so long gave it
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: time for that process to work.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Now the other part of the puzzle, the puzzle, sorry,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: the puzzle. The other part of the puzzle was quickly
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: about two unfold. Now, suspicion around Monty quickly grew surprise, surprise,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: and he found himself thrust into the harsh, glaring eyes
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: of the law. And mind you, he was in California
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: at the time. He was quickly extradited from Long Beach.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: So one on October of nineteen forty one, Los Angeles
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: sheriff deputies knocked on his door, arrested, and charged him
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: with murder. Monty was swiftly transported back to the grounds
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: of Port Angels where justice was awaiting him.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, buddy, probably thought that he got away with this.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Probably sure, yeah he did.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, No, for sure, bud, for sure.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: But oh yeah. Was he still with that chick? Do
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: you know? I don't know, okay, because I was curious
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: if he was beating her.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: No, I don't know, okay. So the courtroom, of course,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: was a stage for this whole sensational drama. And that's
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: exactly what. It was a sensation. World War two events
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: were happening at the time, and they were even competing
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: for front page news attention against the trial. In the
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: areas really you bet you. Ordinary citizens were compelled by
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: their morbid curiosity. They flocked to witness the unfolding drama
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: in the courtroom. Seemed like everyone was crowded in his courtroom,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: their eyes wide with the mix of basically horror and fascination.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Much like myself at three am when I'm listening to
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: true crime podcast, watching murder documentaries, or researching cases, I
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: feel them.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: It's okay, yeah, I think we probably all do.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Definitely so in Montes's Montes's defense, or I was gonna say,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: in his defense, No, Montes's defense there we Go was
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: rather feeble at best, Just like his explanation earlier on.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: He argued adamantly that the deceased woman couldn't be Haley
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: because she was alive when he last saw her.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, right, she can't be dead.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I saw her alive before.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that, like everyone believes, you right, possibly be you right.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: It's like she took a breath of air once. How
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: can she be in the ground That's that's what life
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and death is, buddy. So anyways, evidence was clearly stacked
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: against him, and no one was believing this bullshit of Hey,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: she was once alive. Yeah, we know. So sorry, it's
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: just it's the dumbest excuse me.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: It is. I mean, but did you have any expectations
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: from him? Did he come up with anything better?
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: You got a point, No, I really didn't. But I mean,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I do always hope better for humanity, you know, high hopes,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: but I know I'm always going to get let down.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: So yeah, the evidence was stacked against him. It was
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: absolutely damning. There was a South Dakota dentist who actually
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: made the dental plate and they were the one who
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: helped identify the plate to Haley. They stood firm testifying
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: under the weight of the whole truth in the courtroom
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: that the dental plate found did in fact belong to her. Now,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: along with that dental plate, they were actually able to
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: identify approximate body type, build stature, that sort of stuff,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: some hair that was still on there with Haley's hair,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: and then also friends Cease were able to identify clothes
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: worn by the body as belonging to Haley. Wow, and
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Yet with all that evidence, the lynch pin in the
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: case was a very seemingly innocuous item, the rope that
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: bound Haley.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yep here I thought you were going to
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: be like, with all that evidence, he was found not guilty.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: It's like what no, no.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: No, there's another piece of evidence, really, because I mean,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: the rope, in all honesty, everything else is just painting
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: the picture that it's Haley. Right, there's no evidence that
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: ties Monty to her yet true to nothing. Yeah, but
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: that rope ties Monty to Haley.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: So the rope, apparently Monty had borrowed it from the
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: tavern where he worked. The owner or sorry, where he
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: delivered to the owner basically said, yeah, he borrowed fifty
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: feet a rope, but he never returned it. He borrowed
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: this rope to get his truck pulled out of some
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: mud or something like that. Now, I do want to
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: disclaim this. There was a couple sources. I saw one
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: hundred feet of rope. Other sources I saw fifty feet
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: of rope. I saw fifty more often, So I'm going
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: with that. So, whether it was fifty or one hundred feet,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: he borrowed a length of rope to apparently haul his
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: truck out but never returned it, and the fibers from
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: the rope were tested against fibers that still remained at
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: the tavern. The tavern still had some remnants of this rope,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: so they tested the fibers against each other and it
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: was a perfect match. It was the rope.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Whoa, Okay, I mean, idiot, could he not have just
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: gone and bought rope? Like I'm sore, Like, I mean,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: it's so good that he didn't, and then he's being
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: like caught here, but like what an idiot? Yeah, I mean,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: grant you. I guess someone wherever he bought the rope
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: would be like, yeah, I bought rope, I don't know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: But still what an idiot?
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean maybe he could just, I don't know,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: not kill his wife.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that would be much better. But like this
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: guy is like not cool.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: No, definitely not. So. The courtroom painted a picture and
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: they believed that how it went down was something like this.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: On that fateful day and this December night in nineteen
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: thirty seven, a fight erupted in their home. In a
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: fit of rage, Monty brutally beat and strangled Haley snuffing
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: out her life in a moment of violence. Now, Hollis
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Faults was the dedicated criminologist from the Washington State Attorney
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: General's Office who pieced together this puzzle, and he believes
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Monty had a desperate attempt to conceal his Hayinu's crime
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: and callously placed Haley's lifeless body into the trunk of
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: his car and then drove out to the water and
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: onto the darkness at Lake Crescent near the present day
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Cabin Resort or the Tavern. He wrapped Haley's bodies and blankets,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: securing the bundle with the rope that he had still
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: in the back of his vehicle, and in the dead
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: of night, he used a rowboat to make his way
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: out into the waters of the lake. He then tied
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Haley's body up with some weights to weigh it down
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: so that she would sink when he dropped the bundle
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: into the water. And then that's exactly what he did.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: He dropped her in the water, let the weights do
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: their thing, allowing the deep, dark water to swallow up
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: his terrible secret.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Well, his wife, what a cold hearted asshole? Yeah, like
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: that's his wife.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, For a split second, I thought you were
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: calling his wife a cold hearted asshole, but no, that's
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: his wife. He is a cold hearted asshole. Yeah, and
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: this brings us to the second part of the puzzle
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: on how that subponification occurred. Those ropes that tied Haley's
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: body to the weights eventually rotted and gave way. So
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: the weights are weighing her down while she's still kind
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: of floating and semi buoyant. So she's sitting there in
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: this whole process is a ring and eventually the ropes
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: let go, allowing her to float back to the surface.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's wild. Hey, that that all worked
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: out like that.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So during the investigation, there were rumors and whispers
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: that were circulating around of a potential accomplice, but none
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: were ever found and none where ever charged.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Hmmm. I wonder why they thought that, because, I mean,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: haven't we done cases actually before where they've kind of
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I can't remember which it was one of the ones
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: where he had killed his wife, I think anyway, and you're.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Going to have to be more specific, honestly.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: One of them that we've done and I'm about too.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: So they were showing something where he was trying to
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: throw her body overboard of a small boat with weights hard. Yes,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: they were saying like it's almost impossible to do as
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: a like a solo person, which I don't it did
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: he did do it? But yeah, well actually that one
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: they weren't sure he did it. I can't remember. His
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: name was a scot or something.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: That rings a bell, Yeah, but I can't recall, but
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I do remember that something like, I vaguely remember that.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: And I also being like, well, it is really tough
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: to like throw stuff out of a boat, but I mean, hey,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: if the like, you can have a weight five feet
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: of rope and then a body pushed the body in
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: the water. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So anyways, there was rumors
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: of an accomplice, but no one was ever found. Jurors
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: deliberated for hours, and finally, on March nineteen forty two,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: the verdict was delivered. Monty Illingworth was found guilty of
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: second degree murder and was sentenced to life behind bars
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: in Washington State Penitentiary in Walla, Walla. Good good Monty
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: only served nine years before he was released, and he
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: eventually passed away November fifth of nineteen seventy four.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: What the shit, Yeah, he was why only nine years.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: He was paroled after nine years. I couldn't find why,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: but he.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Was, Well that's a mistake.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he should have rotted. Unfortunately he didn't. But he
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: did leave behind a very legacy of terrifying legacy for
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: a whole town and this lake that is now scarred
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: by the memory of what happened to Haley and the
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: legend of the lady of the lake.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Huh, this is a terrible question to ask. Yes, but
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: is there any like photos of what her body look like?
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Then?
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I didn't search for it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, I mean, that's probably good, but
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I'm just it's intriguing what happened to her body, like
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: how it preserved. You know.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did see photos of her, but I didn't
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: find or come across an autopsy report, which I am
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: assuming that's where I would find those photos if they
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: are out there.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, but nine years is not enough because
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: he he not just like killed his wife, but he
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: was also beating her and and then he went about
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: hiding the crime. And like, what does that say or
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: term when you're basically.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're asking me another term, just.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Like yester, love of God it's like when you're doing
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: something bad to a.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Body, like desecration of them.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like that is so many things that he did. Yeah,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: and like he should also have been charged with those
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: beatings because there was witnesses and stuff. Right, So I
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: don't understand how nine years is.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't either, but that is what he served.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: That is the case. I'm honestly curious on why the
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: nine years really, but I have not been able to
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: find it yet. If I do ever find it out,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I'll let everyone out there know why. I'll just put
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: links and stuff.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: But things like that happen. Unfortunately.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: It is the justice system. Though it does sometimes come through,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: it is still very very flawed in many ways. But
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: it's I mean, it's the best we got.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: What a wild story. I've never heard of that one, neither.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Of I am. When I found that her skin was
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: could be scooped away like putty, that's what got you, Yes,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: very much.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: That would get yeah, wouldn't it? Well?
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Because I was looking at it, I was like, oh,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: she's like perfectly preserved after years. It's kind of like
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: haunting and scary. And then like, yeah, her skin gets
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: scooped away like putty. I'm like that could induce nightmares.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: That that's Halloween weekworthy.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that really is.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh boy, just imagine like looking at your face
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: in the mirror and touching your hand to your face
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: and then it's just like warm wax. Your just fingers
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: sink in and just scoop flesh off.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, imagine that while you're sleeping tonight.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. Thank you for that.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Sorry, not sorry, No, you're not sing at all at all. Nope,
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  Speaker 3: I regret nothing.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Gosh. Okay, Well, if you want to, you can still
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: tune into us tomorrow. But if we're not promising it'll
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: be any better.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: But I will promise I might try and induce more nightmares.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, no for sure.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Eh oh yeah, that's the point of this this week.
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  Speaker 3: It's Halloween. We we got to get the creepy. We
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: gotta get the gross. We got to get the gruesome,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: the the weird. That's that's Halloween week for you right there.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we need to post a picture of our cat.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Oh Kwi.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Have has Kiwi graced our socials?
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah he has before?
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he needs to be on there again. It's Halloween.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: We this is like his week before he thrives.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Oh it is. If you guys don't know, we don't
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: post him or talk about him very often, but we
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: do have a black cat named Kiwi. He is fifteen
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: years old.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Fourteen, our fifteen next year, I think it is. Yeah, okay, yeah.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Well he's starting to get up there, and yeah he is.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: H he's our best Halloween decoration. That's why we have him. Honestly,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: just just have a Halloween decoration all the time.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still thriving. Really.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good little boy, aren't you Kiwi?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah that was a lie. He was just Oh there
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: he is, Okay, Yeah, I thought he already went upstairs.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: No, he's chilling. He's chilling. You finished your drink?
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was finished my drink in the first
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: five minutes. I almost made you pause, so I can.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: I hardly got to sit mine at all. So when
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I turn this off, which we should probably do here
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: because we're starting to ramble, I think I'm gonna sit
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: in the couch, have a good finish off of a drink,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: and then probably go to bed. Well, no, I'm gonna
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: upload this and then I'm gonna go to bed. But
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: what you guys should do is you should check out
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: our social links down below. Go check out our zombie
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: photo shoot. If you haven't yet, go check out Jacko's
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: podcast Fearful. Oh yeah, because there's five new episodes out there.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I believe there's ten in total.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Now that's awesome.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: You can go listen to some Jacko narrating some pretty insane,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: wild stories. He covers, true crime, paranormal, just weird, you
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: name it. It's pretty cool and he does a damn
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: good job.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and you could also go and give us
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: a rating. Actually, you feel so kind.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: A rating would be fantastic. It helps the show immensely,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: especially just for a little indie podcast like us. Go
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: give us a rating. We give Jacko a rating. We
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: appreciate it. If not, you're here, you're doing your thing.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: You're taking part in Halloween Week and we love that
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: so thank you so much. That is cool too. Okay,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: will you ready for tomorrow? Ready, we're gonna have another
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: awesome case. We'll talk to you guys then.
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  Speaker 2: Until then, stay wicked