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- 0:00You're listening to Strictly Business Podcast with Lindsay Williams.
- 0:05This edition of It's My Money is brought to you by Brenthurst Wealth, your partner
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- 0:13Welcome to It's My Money.
- 0:15It's My Money is brought to you by Brenthurst Wealth, South Africa's
- 0:18multi-award winning boutique wealth manager.
- 0:20Here's a headline that caught my eye.
- 0:22It says the following.
- 0:24Are you losing 30,000 a year in unnecessary tax?
- 0:25This was an article written by Kristen Putter, a paraplanner.
- 0:30at Brenthurst Wealth in Pretoria and it's a complicated subject because
- 0:35Kristen it involves two different strategies in your portfolio doesn't it
- 0:42one involves unit trust and the other
- 0:44one involves a retirement annuity but one is good and one is bad and quite honestly
- 0:49I'm a little bit confused already so over to you please what what was the purpose of
- 0:56your article first of all
- 0:58Yeah, so I can start off.
- 0:58by saying that it's not an either or, one is good or one is bad.
- 1:03It depends entirely on your situation.
- 1:06So both can add benefits to your portfolio.
- 1:09It just depends on what your goals are, which product you would use.
- 1:14So on the one hand, you have the retirement annuity, which is a bit more
- 1:20limited,
- 1:22but it gives you tax advantages.
- 1:23And on the other side, you have the unit trusts, we have flexibility,
- 1:29but it does not offer any tax advantages.
- 1:33So it depends entirely on your profile.
- 1:36Okay, it depends on your profile, your situation, I suppose, your goals as well,
- 1:42your aspirations, how old you are, how much money you've got.
- 1:46But what's the general principle?
- 1:47You say that a unit trust gives you maximum control.
- 1:51What do you mean by that?
- 1:52So with a unit trust, If I can relate it.
- 1:56it can be like a bank account.
- 1:59So you can do what you want with the funds.
- 2:01You can put in whenever you want, how much you want.
- 2:05You can withdraw whenever you want.
- 2:07There's obviously a bit of a time delay with withdrawals with relation to a bank
- 2:14account,
- 2:16but it's still, it's the same fundamentals.
- 2:19You can choose whichever funds, there's no limits on where you can invest.
- 2:24So that's with the full control.
- 2:27You can have a say in whatever goes.
- 2:30Okay, and what sort of person would go for the full control option?
- 2:35You mentioned the sort of situation where your finances are uncertain, you say.
- 2:40So you mean if somebody doesn't really know how much is coming in each month,
- 2:47maybe it's an entrepreneur,
- 2:49a small business owner, something like that, they need the flexibility of the
- 2:51unit trust.
- 2:53Is that right?
- 2:55Yes, so with the flexibility and with the investment period, those are,
- 2:59if you have a goal, you want to buy a car in about five years' time.
- 3:04Then the unit trust will offer you more growth than a money market account would.
- 3:10So with the retirement annuity being locked away until 55,
- 3:16then the unit trust would be your better option because you can access the funds
- 3:21whenever.
- 3:23So if you want to withdraw them in five years time, then you can do it.
- 3:26If you want to put savings away,
- 3:29most people use this type of account for their children's education because it's
- 3:36also in a few
- 3:38years time, there's a lot of time for growth and it's flexible.
- 3:41You can draw the money as you go.
- 3:43Okay, moving on to something that's not quite as flexible.
- 3:46Again, you've mentioned it, but please tell us a little bit more about the
- 3:51retirement annuity,
- 3:53the different rules applying to that your annuity is locked away until you reach 55.
- 3:56As you've said, and if you're 35, you think to yourself, well, that's not what I
- 4:00want.
- 4:01But it does work for some people, apparently.
- 4:02Yeah, so the most beneficial aspect of the retirement annuity is the tax
- 4:09deduction.
- 4:10So that's mostly what...
- 4:13what clients use the retirement annuity for is it reduces your income when you do
- 4:20your tax return.
- 4:22So it might not be an immediate, immediate advantage.
- 4:26It's every year when you submit your tax return,
- 4:28then your total contribution subject to the limitations gets deducted from your
- 4:35income
- 4:37before they apply your tax.
- 4:39So that's the most useful advantage.
- 4:40And then The other limitation is the Regulation 28,
- 4:47which limits which sector and which asset class you can invest in.
- 4:54So the government applies this Regulation 28 to ensure that you don't, for example,
- 5:00put all of your money in equity funds.
- 5:03And then when you get to retirement, you've lost all of your money.
- 5:07So the regulation is important.
- 5:08place so you save your money against volatility and then also the other
- 5:15limitation is the age 55 so there are limited options before you retire like
- 5:22Immigration, for example, where you can access your funds before that time.
- 5:27But it's most likely you can only access on
- 5:3155. And then also after 55, you don't get access to the full amount.
- 5:37You can only cash out one third.
- 5:40So that's also.
- 5:43So there's a lot of rules, but there's the big tax advantage.
- 5:47Yeah.
- 5:48It's starting to get complicated now.
- 5:50But what we really want to know, to a simpleton like me that is, Kristen,
- 5:55but what we really want to know is what the 30,000 saving or where the 30,000
- 6:01saving comes from.
- 6:03Because that was your headline and that's what draws people in.
- 6:04They need to know how they can save that 30,000 or if they're paying 30,000 too
- 6:10much at the moment.
- 6:12There's some figures involved with this.
- 6:14So you've got to go very slowly with me, please.
- 6:16Okay,
- 6:18so the 30,000 savings comes in with your contributions towards a retirement
- 6:23annuity.
- 6:23So every contribution you make subject to the limitation of
- 6:2927.5% of your taxable income per annum.
- 6:34So every contribution limited to that limitation gets deducted from your
- 6:41income.
- 6:43So if you contribute...
- 6:45$100,000, then
- 6:48$100,000 gets deducted from your income at the end of the year.
- 6:54So let's say you did not make any contributions and you were taxed on the
- 7:00full
- 7:00$100,000, then you would have paid
- 7:04$30,000 tax on a 30% marginal rate.
- 7:09So that's where the 30,000 savings come in.
- 7:13So if you did not make the contribution, you would have paid 30,000 rand tax on
- 7:19100,000 income.
- 7:22But if you do the 100,000 contribution, after that deduction from your gross
- 7:28income,
- 7:30you get the 30,000 savings.
- 7:32So if you're earning a reasonable amount or a decent amount, you're paying tax at
- 7:37higher marginal rates.
- 7:39You get an immediate relief from this.
- 7:41Is that what you're saying as well?
- 7:43Yes, immediate as with reference to when you do your tax return.
- 7:46So it's not immediate like as and when you make the contribution, but at the end of
- 7:51the year.
- 7:51OK, we've got to look forward now.
- 7:53What does this look like?
- 7:54I mean, we always talk about compounding, the power of compounding when we have
- 8:00these podcasts.
- 8:02So we have to look forward.
- 8:04Let's have a look at what this might mean to you over a 10 year period, please,
- 8:06Kristen.
- 8:08Yes, so if I can compare it to the unit trust,
- 8:13let's say the unit trust earns interest income.
- 8:17So that interest income, as it accumulates, you get taxed on it.
- 8:23So in relation with the retirement annuity,
- 8:27there's no interest tax or capital gain tax applicable on the retirement annuity.
- 8:34So.
- 8:35all of the growth that you earn throughout the entire life of the retirement annuity
- 8:41is tax-free,
- 8:43where in the unit trust, it gets taxed as and when.
- 8:46So that's also the saving.
- 8:50Right.
- 8:51And of course, just like you said in your introduction, it's not a question of one
- 8:56or the other.
- 8:58It's all to do with your personal circumstances.
- 8:58And as I said, how old you are, how much you earn, what your aspirations and goals
- 9:03are.
- 9:04So we've got to go through what you do.
- 9:06I mean, the first thing you do, of course, is sit down with a paraplanner or with an
- 9:13investment advisor and tell them your
- 9:15situation and they'll guide you.
- 9:15But what would you say in general terms, who should do one thing and who should do
- 9:20another, please?
- 9:22Well, we generally advise to set up your emergency fund as a first point
- 9:29when starting to save.
- 9:30So the unit trust can be an emergency fund.
- 9:34in those aspects.
- 9:35And emergency funds are usually the equivalent of six months income.
- 9:41So if you have already the emergency fund and there's no other funds that you need
- 9:48access to in the near
- 9:50future, then you can look at the retirement annuity.
- 9:52Or in another case, if you have a specific goal for the funds, like a vehicle in five
- 9:58years,
- 10:00then you would go to the unit trust.
- 10:02But in most cases, we use both products.
- 10:04for one client to take advantage of both characteristics.
- 10:10It really sounds something that, first of all, is worthwhile looking into, and
- 10:16secondly, worthwhile looking into with your advisor,
- 10:18because that sort of money to be saved is definitely something that should be looked
- 10:22at, I say.
- 10:24Kristen, thank you very much for your time.
- 10:26It was a great explanation.
- 10:28Kristen Putter is a paraplanner at Brenthurst Wealth in Pretoria, and that
- 10:30was It's My Money.
- 10:32It's My Money was brought to you by Brenthurst Wealth, an award-winning
- 10:36boutique wealth management company.