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Ryan Day Says The Big Ten Deserves HOW MANY Automatic Bids To The CFP? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 2: Well? You know, I seat hurt a little bit. I'm
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Speaker 2: a little thirsty.
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Speaker 1: Fantastic, fantastic, Thank you, thank you, fantastic. So we wanted
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Speaker 1: this is a show idea that you just sent me
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Speaker 1: a little bit ago, and this is we might start
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Speaker 1: getting getting into something here. Ryan Day spoke with ESPN
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Speaker 1: h Adam Rittberger I believe or somebody at ESPN and
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Speaker 1: was asked if the Big Ten should get automatic qualifiers
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Speaker 1: for the College Football Playoff and he said yes. I
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Speaker 1: think he's a proponent of the four four two two one,
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Speaker 1: which is the Big ten in the SEC getting four
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Speaker 1: automatic qualifiers in the new sixteen team playoffs that will
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Speaker 1: be coming just have not been announced yet. But Big
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Speaker 1: ten in SEC get four teams each end automatically, and
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Speaker 1: then the Big twelve and the ACC get two each
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Speaker 1: and then there's the highest ranked team, a group of
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Speaker 1: six champion, group of five champion that gets in there
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Speaker 1: as well, and then there's three at large teams. So
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Speaker 1: he is a proponent of this of having the Big
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Speaker 1: ten get four teams in. And I'll give you one
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Speaker 1: of his quotes. First, Kevin said, we're in the Big
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Speaker 1: ten and we have eighteen teams and some of the
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Speaker 1: best teams in the country. I feel like we deserve
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Speaker 1: at least four automatic qualifiers. Your thoughts, you know.
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Speaker 2: All the arguments that are going to be made, and
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Speaker 2: we'll make them on the show. But I tend to
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Speaker 2: think that the cream rises to the top, and last
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Speaker 2: year there wasn't a lot of cream in the SEC,
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Speaker 2: and the SEC did not get as many teams as
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Speaker 2: it would have liked. And now you have everybody going
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Speaker 2: full tribalism at this point, and you know, the SEC
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Speaker 2: wants to have its things and is going to try
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Speaker 2: and point out that this completely made up metric called
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Speaker 2: the FPI which means nothing should have some sort of
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Speaker 2: seat at the table and everything else. And obviously the
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Speaker 2: Big ten is going to come out and say that
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Speaker 2: it needs to have what it needs. I mean, obviously
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Speaker 2: you would like to be able to say, well, we
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Speaker 2: know that we're going to get at least four first
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Speaker 2: round shares. You know, we all share our money, blah
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Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah, so we know how to budget
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Speaker 2: and everything else. I am not a big fan of
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Speaker 2: what the output is supposed to be. The output is
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Speaker 2: for at least four teams in I think you need
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Speaker 2: to address the input. I think there needs to be
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Speaker 2: uniformity when it comes to if you want to be
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Speaker 2: part of this, you know this silly little club. You
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Speaker 2: all have to play nine conference games. You have to
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Speaker 2: do this. You have to do that. I'm sorry rop
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Speaker 2: FCS scheduling, and I know that Ohio State just announced
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Speaker 2: on Wednesday that it picked up a game against University
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Speaker 2: of New Hampshire Graduate from High School in New Hampshire,
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Speaker 2: not nearly as big on the scene there as Ryan
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Speaker 2: day Is or Chip Kelly or anybody like that. But
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Speaker 2: I have been I have been to a football game
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Speaker 2: at UNH at least I I'm not a huge fan
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Speaker 2: of this, but I also think that what Ryan days comments,
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Speaker 2: I think they were important because for whatever reason, the
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Speaker 2: Big Ten does not like to control its own narrative
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Speaker 2: and have media availabilities at spring meetings or whatever. So
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Speaker 2: you can't let the SEC have the last word, very
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Speaker 2: much like I won't let Tom or have the last word.
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Speaker 1: So let me just put this out there right now.
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Speaker 1: You are against the automatic qualifiers, correct? I am okay.
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Speaker 1: By the end of the show, my goal is for
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Speaker 1: you to be in favor of the automatic qualifiers. So
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Speaker 1: the rest of this episode is basically.
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Speaker 2: We're doing a twelve hour show.
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Speaker 1: Me presenting my case for this, and I have a
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Speaker 1: feeling it's not going to be a twelve minute buck
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Speaker 1: Eye tomorrow morning that you would have known to come
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Speaker 1: and know and love one of the I guess my
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Speaker 1: first piece of evidence goes along with something that Ryan
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Speaker 1: Day said. He said, if you don't have those automatic qualifiers,
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Speaker 1: you are less likely to play a game like we're
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Speaker 1: playing this year against Texas because it just won't make
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Speaker 1: any sense. If we do, then you're more likely to
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Speaker 1: do that. In terms of if we do have auto
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Speaker 1: automatic qualifiers, then you're more likely to do that play
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Speaker 1: a game like the Texas game because we play nine
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Speaker 1: conference games in a Big ten. The SEC doesn't SEC
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Speaker 1: it's not equal, so it's not equal. So basically, if
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Speaker 1: you don't have automatic qualifiers, there's no reason for Ohio
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Speaker 1: State to play Texas any longer. And if you don't
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Speaker 1: have automatic qualifiers, there's no reason for the SEC to
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Speaker 1: go beyond eight conference games. So right away, this five
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Speaker 1: plus eleven that is being thrown out there, that the
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Speaker 1: Big twelve is talked about. The a SEC would like
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Speaker 1: that your five automatic qualifiers are your five conference champions,
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Speaker 1: your five highest rated conference champions, and then eleven at larges,
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Speaker 1: which would be decided by the College Football Playoff Committee
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Speaker 1: most likely, which we all know everybody loves them. But
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Speaker 1: with those that five plus eleven, the SEC, the coaches,
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Speaker 1: the SEC coaches want that the SEC ads do not
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Speaker 1: because it leaves a bunch of money on the table
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Speaker 1: in terms of the extra conference game that they talked about,
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Speaker 1: the ninth conference game, and also some possible playing games
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Speaker 1: which I'll get into in a little bit. But the
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Speaker 1: first point here is if you just go five plus eleven,
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Speaker 1: nothing and when I say nothing changes, college football is
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Speaker 1: still the best thing going, you know. So, like the
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Speaker 1: worst thing that could happen is we just have college football.
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Speaker 1: But you're gonna lose, You're gonna you have given every
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Speaker 1: college program like Ohio State, like Alabama, like Texas more
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Speaker 1: reason to have a non conference schedule. Like we saw
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Speaker 1: last year for Ohio State. There's you've eliminated the reasons
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Speaker 1: to have big games because there's no incentive to do
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Speaker 1: so and because those losses can hurt you. And yes,
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Speaker 1: every game is so important, every game is important, that's
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Speaker 1: never been true. But if you can afford a loss
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Speaker 1: to Texas, that means you're gonna schedule more games against
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Speaker 1: Texas and Texas team. So that's my first point to Kevin.
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Speaker 1: If we if we don't have automatic qualifiers outside of
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Speaker 1: the conference champs, you're just gonna get the same old,
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Speaker 1: same ole. And not that that isn't great, but I
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Speaker 1: think it could be better.
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Speaker 2: I am going to start by talking about five plus
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Speaker 2: eleven and I hate that even more. I'm gonna go
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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go to the book, The Good Book,
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Speaker 2: the Script of Animal House, and a quote early in
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Speaker 2: the movie. Let the unacceptable candidates worry about that, because
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Speaker 2: after tonight there dot dot dot, the ACC and the
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Speaker 2: Big twelve are undesirable candidates. You have no say you're
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Speaker 2: just lucky to be here. I mean we can go,
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Speaker 2: we can go to the Good Book, a top gun
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Speaker 2: and you bike blank, You're just lucky to be here.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, And that's that they should just
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Speaker 2: be thankful that they're here. And I know, I'm proud.
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Speaker 2: Already had some Clemson fan get mad at me earlier
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Speaker 2: today about something else I said, And I really don't care.
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Speaker 2: I agree with what you're saying on the surface level.
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Speaker 2: And that's why I came out and made a preemptive
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Speaker 2: statement by saying everybody should be coming in with the
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Speaker 2: same rules eight or nine, eight or nine. Sorry Sec Hanks,
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Speaker 2: Sorry Peter Burns, Sorry dude. I don't know the name
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Speaker 2: of it, but I see it in jams and things weird.
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Speaker 2: I don't care what you're saying about your Your conference
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Speaker 2: isn't all that much better. Well, Mississippi State only lost
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Speaker 2: to Arizona State by X amount of points. Well, the
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Speaker 2: transit of property has no bearing in determinations of anything,
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Speaker 2: So everybody needs to be playing from an equal position. Now,
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Speaker 2: nine Big Ten games are still better than like eleven
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Speaker 2: Big twelve games, so you know, the math isn't always
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Speaker 2: going to be equal. We have a monoicum of integrity
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Speaker 2: of trying to have everything put together and making it
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Speaker 2: look similar. So yes, there is very little upside for
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Speaker 2: playing these grand games of Ohio State Texas series. You know,
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Speaker 2: the upcoming Ohio State Alabama series. You know, LSU finally
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Speaker 2: figured out that interstates do run north. You know they've
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Speaker 2: had their series with with with Wisconsin. You still have
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Speaker 2: teams there that are completely chicken to play anything. But
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Speaker 2: you know, with that being said, I could just sit
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Speaker 2: there and I could rip on scheduling non conference scheduling
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Speaker 2: in the Big Ten. Indiana's playing Old Dominion Kennesaw State
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Speaker 2: and Indiana State. That is that's horrible. That's horrible, bro.
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Speaker 2: I mean, at least, you know, I could make fun
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Speaker 2: of Iowa. But at least there's the game against Iowa
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Speaker 2: State along with all and UMass and the people I'll
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Speaker 2: be I'll be the first to say Youngstown State eight
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Speaker 2: nothing to write home about Senator ain't on the sidelines there.
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Speaker 2: Youngstown State keeps popping up on the on the on
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Speaker 2: the schedule, stop it, stop it. Nobody wants to see
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Speaker 2: that game. Nobody. I don't want to cover it. You
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Speaker 2: don't want to see it. Oh, we're keeping Ohio dollars
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Speaker 2: at home. You should be punished for playing those types
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Speaker 2: of games. You should be punished. Funish. If we go
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Speaker 2: into Starbucks to star Wars.
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Speaker 1: They used to be teams, used to be punished for
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Speaker 1: playing those games because they didn't count towards your Bowl eligibility.
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Speaker 2: Good.
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Speaker 1: But when if we go to IF, like if there's
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Speaker 1: no IF, it stays five plus eleven, and the Big
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Speaker 1: Ten gets upset about the SEC not going to nine
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Speaker 1: nine games, and the Big Ten decides to go back
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Speaker 1: to eight, which I don't think they would. You would
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Speaker 1: probably get rid of the FCS games, but you would
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Speaker 1: just replace them with like Akron instead of Youngstown State.
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Speaker 1: You're playing Akron, which you know, or Kannasas State or
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Speaker 1: Old Obinion who used to be FCS teams in the
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Speaker 1: past decade or so. At least with the nine games
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Speaker 1: that the Big Ten plays, you're getting nine conference games
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Speaker 1: and most of the teams, most of the programs that
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Speaker 1: care try to put in another powerful opponent in there.
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Speaker 1: If if you go to the four four two two one,
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Speaker 1: and you know that you only have to be in
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Speaker 1: the top four of your conference. And when they say only,
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Speaker 1: there's some caveats there because it's not a given, it's
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Speaker 1: not an easy thing to do. But as long as
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Speaker 1: you're in the top four, that means there's almost no
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Speaker 1: way that any non conference game is going to impact
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Speaker 1: you or hurt you, because conference records determine where you
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Speaker 1: finish in the conference, so you can schedule whoever you want,
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Speaker 1: and you'd have incentive to schedule a tougher non conference. Now,
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Speaker 1: of course, I've said the same thing every time the
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Speaker 1: playoff has expanded, and I've given too much credit to
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Speaker 1: the people that make these decisions for their bravery, which
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Speaker 1: they don't have. And and so, like you, the SEC coaches,
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Speaker 1: they're very much for the five plus eleven for obvious reasons,
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Speaker 1: because one, they know the committees.
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Speaker 2: Love the clicks.
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Speaker 1: The committee loves them, and they know that as long
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Speaker 1: as they stay at five plus eleven, they don't have
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Speaker 1: to play a ninth game. Because the Big Ten like
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Speaker 1: there's no there's the stricture in the structure, like that's
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Speaker 1: all out the window. So they can continue to do
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Speaker 1: what they do and play their eight games and whatever
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Speaker 1: else they do in a non conference and it's just easier,
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Speaker 1: and coaches are always going to side with easier. That's where
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Speaker 1: Ryan Day has been in favor of the playoff expanding.
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Speaker 1: He was in favor of twelve because it's like, hey,
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Speaker 1: it's easier to get to the playoffs. Why would I
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Speaker 1: not be in favor of it.
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Speaker 2: Teacher didn't signs no war.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but it's it's just it's an easier path forward.
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Speaker 1: And I'm saying four four two two one. Whether I
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Speaker 1: understand people not liking the whole four guaranteed spots, at
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Speaker 1: least four guaranteed spots, I understand that what I'm telling
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Speaker 1: you is the byproduct is will result in better games.
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Speaker 1: You'll get better week to week games, better non conference games,
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Speaker 1: better better conference games because you're gonna be jocking for
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Speaker 1: some position in terms of trying to get one of
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Speaker 1: those spots. And then, Kevin, here's my next point for you,
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Speaker 1: which I think is the most genius part of my
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Speaker 1: entire plan. I'm getting rid of conference championship games because
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Speaker 1: they're flamless. Yeah, all of the conference champions the conference
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Speaker 1: champions in the the CFP last last last year went
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Speaker 1: what zero to five, So there's there's no advantage to
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Speaker 1: winning your conference. And I remember Kirby Smart not even
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Speaker 1: wanting to play in the SEC championship last year, like
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Speaker 1: kind of rooting that they would just be the third
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Speaker 1: team from the SEC. So my plan get rid of
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Speaker 1: that one the first, the top two teams in the
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Speaker 1: standings for the Big Ten and the SEC, they make
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Speaker 1: it in and that's where the play in games come.
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Speaker 1: So then the Big ten and the SEC each Big
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Speaker 1: ten three versus six and four versus five, those two
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Speaker 1: winners are in, and maybe a loser gets one of
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Speaker 1: those three two or three at large bids, we don't know.
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Speaker 1: And then with the ACC and the Big twelve, get
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Speaker 1: rid of those conference championship championship games because it's one
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Speaker 1: versus four and two versus three, and these are all
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Speaker 1: home games. So I have just taken a four to
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Speaker 1: four to two two one, which you know, the Big
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Speaker 1: twelve in the ACC are like we need more than two.
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Speaker 1: I have just taken a four to four to two
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Speaker 1: two one and created a six six four four one basically,
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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go ahead and superpose all of the
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Speaker 1: the the numbers in the New Worlds and of course
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Speaker 1: do some Steiner math in here. But if you're playing
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Speaker 1: a play in game, you now control your destiny. You
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Speaker 1: are in the playoffs. Being a having a playing game
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Speaker 1: means you are in the playoffs. So I have just
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Speaker 1: expanded the playoffs without expanding the playoffs, and that's better, right.
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Speaker 2: I'm still living in the past because I need to
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Speaker 2: know what it is. Are not punishing and centivizing the
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Speaker 2: same thing, because they're not. We're not going to punish
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Speaker 2: you if you play this game, But are we really?
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Speaker 2: Are we really giving you an incentive to play this game.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't just because just because you may not sit
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Speaker 2: there and take it on the chin the way you
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Speaker 2: would if you sit there and you go to Iowa
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Speaker 2: City and you lose my thirty points in a league game.
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Speaker 2: I still don't see any reason why ole Miss is
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Speaker 2: going to agree to a home and home with Penn State,
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Speaker 2: or why USC is going to agree, you know, with
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Speaker 2: a home and home against whoever there's You're still you know,
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Speaker 2: we're still in a mindset of where perfection is the
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Speaker 2: only way that you can assure yourself of winning a
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Speaker 2: national championship. This is we're We're not in a world
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Speaker 2: of the NFL where a bunch of old duel dudes
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Speaker 2: are sitting there drinking champagne and metic muse will to
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Speaker 2: celebrate the seventy two Dolphins for being the last undefeated
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Speaker 2: team or whatever. I mean. Hell, I was born in
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Speaker 2: seventy one and I'm old as dirt, so it's been
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Speaker 2: a long time since that's happened. So we're still not
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Speaker 2: of a mindset where I think people really are accepting
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Speaker 2: that you can lose a couple of games along the way. Now,
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Speaker 2: of course, Ohio State lost a couple of games along
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Speaker 2: the way, but there are also going to be a
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Speaker 2: lot of people who are going to be like, oh,
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Speaker 2: but that really felt dirty because you know, certainly the
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Speaker 2: game at home against the team up north, and just
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Speaker 2: you know the way that nothing seemed to work right
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Speaker 2: at Oregon or whatever. So just because you open the
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Speaker 2: door to playing these types of series, if there's no
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Speaker 2: language in there saying no, seriously, guys, you need to
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Speaker 2: play those types of games. No, it's just opening up
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Speaker 2: the door for more games against Furman, the Citadel and VMI.
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Speaker 2: So I have I have no faith whatsoever that that
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Speaker 2: is going to change anything. Now. I know you, I
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Speaker 2: know your goal of this is to get me to
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Speaker 2: change my mind. And I'm just telling you right now
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Speaker 2: that my heels are so dug in that I'm basically
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Speaker 2: my heels are in the basement of my house right now.
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Speaker 2: They're so dug in they burrowed through the hardwood floors
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Speaker 2: everything else. You're not gonna move me an inch on that.
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Speaker 2: But I will say getting rid of the conference championship
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Speaker 2: games makes all the difference in the world because you
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Speaker 2: can replace those dollars with other content by you know,
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Speaker 2: going in and you know this isn't something you know,
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Speaker 2: this isn't apples to Apple to college basketball and creating
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Speaker 2: opportunity with the you know, the conference champion winner you
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Speaker 2: know doing this, I mean, what are going to be
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Speaker 2: the chances that there's not a scenario where like a
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Speaker 2: seven seed in the Big Ten is suddenly going to
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Speaker 2: find themselves in Indianapolis and play their way in. You're
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Speaker 2: not gonna end up with that thirteen and sixteen UC
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Speaker 2: Irvine team that's subtenly going to make the big dance
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Speaker 2: because they got hot at the right time, and you know,
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Speaker 2: Saint Mary's and Gonzaga and Loyal and Maramount and everybody
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Speaker 2: else got lost on the way to the arena or whatever.
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Speaker 2: And actually, I don't think they're the same conference. Ones
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Speaker 2: in the Big West and I think the others like
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Speaker 2: was in the Old West Coast Athletic Conference. But the
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Speaker 2: point being is you can lead a horse to water,
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Speaker 2: but we're dealing with a lot of jackasses and not
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Speaker 2: horses when it comes to scheduling, and they're they're gonna
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Speaker 2: get stuck in their old ways and the reality is
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Speaker 2: that congratulations, you make the playoffs at nine and three
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Speaker 2: or whatever and you could still get run. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'm really you know, mixing metaphors here, But the New
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Speaker 2: York Knicks had the most successful season like since you know,
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Speaker 2: free oxidation of the Statue of Liberty and Tom Thibodau's out,
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Speaker 2: so nobody really has any any real slack in in
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Speaker 2: terms of you know, the leash that's against them. So
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Speaker 2: I just I'm I think that you can come to
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Speaker 2: the table with all the best interests in the world,
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Speaker 2: you know, in the spirit of the game and the
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Speaker 2: spirit of goodness and everything else, and none of that's
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Speaker 2: going to be followed because the whole thing is just
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Speaker 2: a bunch of shenanigans.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, why did the Big ten go to nine conference
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Speaker 1: conference games?
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Speaker 2: Money? Exactly?
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Speaker 1: So that's why the SEC will go to nine conference
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Speaker 1: games because s ESPN wants it. The ADS won it,
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Speaker 1: They've basically already talked about it, and that's money that
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Speaker 1: they already have. In mind that the the ads don't
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Speaker 1: like the five plus eleven the coaches do. The networks
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Speaker 1: like the four four two two one, I would believe,
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Speaker 1: because there's more content for them. So that's why I
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Speaker 1: think you could have you could see them going to
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Speaker 1: nine conference games for the money. That's why you've also
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Speaker 1: seen the Big ten versus SEC challenge kind of thrown
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Speaker 1: out there where there's a scheduling agreement. So again that's
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Speaker 1: network Big.
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Speaker 2: Ten is really good at honoring those. Whenever you get
20:21
Speaker 2: into one of those deals with the Big ten, your
20:23
Speaker 2: conference fossil.
20:24
Speaker 1: Heart, well, well it's like when they yeah, crazy things
20:28
Speaker 1: happen when you do that. So just no, I just
20:31
Speaker 1: don't call it an alliance, just call it an agreement.
20:33
Speaker 1: A friendship bracelet of some sort. I tend to think
20:40
Speaker 1: the SEC would do some pushback, and maybe the Big
20:43
Speaker 1: ten would as well, because of all the SEC teams,
20:46
Speaker 1: Like if you go to nine conference games, and then
20:48
Speaker 1: you also have half of the SEC that plays their
20:51
Speaker 1: ACC in state rival, so now you'd be asking those
20:55
Speaker 1: teams to play eleven power for games, which is a
21:01
Speaker 1: lot for anybody, especially when you're already playing an SEC schedule.
21:05
Speaker 1: As we know, there's nothing, nothing more difficult than that.
21:10
Speaker 1: But I think you'd see that at least go to
21:14
Speaker 1: you know, I think you will see the SEC go
21:16
Speaker 1: to nine conference games unless they stick with the five
21:18
Speaker 1: plus eleven. Then there's no reason to change, unless, of
21:21
Speaker 1: course ESPN's like, hey, what was all this nine conference
21:25
Speaker 1: game talk? We would sure like that because some of
21:28
Speaker 1: these games they just aren't great, and we we'd like
21:32
Speaker 1: to create more great games. And it's almost like a
21:35
Speaker 1: which needs to happen. First they go to a four
21:37
Speaker 1: four two two one, or they go to a nine
21:40
Speaker 1: conference game schedule, because I think either way leads to
21:45
Speaker 1: the other. But it is interesting to see this five
21:49
Speaker 1: plus eleven thing gaining steam and you already said you're
21:52
Speaker 1: against it, so but that's what's gonna happen.
21:55
Speaker 2: It needs to be zero plus sixteen. You just will nothing, nothing, nothing,
22:01
Speaker 2: nobody's locked in. You win your conference and you're left out,
22:06
Speaker 2: then we need to have an investigation. I don't think
22:09
Speaker 2: there needs to be any I don't think there needs
22:11
Speaker 2: to be anything. It's a tournament. I don't think there
22:14
Speaker 2: needs to be any sort of things put in motion
22:17
Speaker 2: to have this here. I understand, and I said it earlier. Well,
22:19
Speaker 2: everybody wants to be able to know what they're the
22:21
Speaker 2: budget for and everything else. So you know, if you're
22:24
Speaker 2: in the big ten of the SEC and the number
22:26
Speaker 2: is sixteen, it's it's fair to say that each of
22:29
Speaker 2: you are going to get twenty five percent of the
22:31
Speaker 2: field in you're gonna get four teams. That's just the
22:33
Speaker 2: way things are going to work. The SEC, as I said,
22:36
Speaker 2: is already trying to cook the books and change the criteria.
22:40
Speaker 2: We know in the SEC, it's not who you beat,
22:43
Speaker 2: it's how you look, who you show up against. If
22:46
Speaker 2: they have a little dumb patch on their on their jersey,
22:49
Speaker 2: whatever the hell it is. I mean, I'm surprised that
22:52
Speaker 2: they spell graduate correctly. It's you know, all I'm full
22:56
Speaker 2: of pisson vititor. You really, you really got me on
22:59
Speaker 2: the topic that I have a lot of opinions about.
23:01
Speaker 2: But you know, with that being said, I don't think
23:04
Speaker 2: there needs to be anything. I think what we need
23:06
Speaker 2: to be taking all this time and figuring out some
23:12
Speaker 2: some level of fairness in how we determine the teams
23:19
Speaker 2: that get in. And of course you could say, well,
23:21
Speaker 2: we're creating fairness. Who was five plus eleven? We know
23:24
Speaker 2: that it's the five, and well then what the hell
23:26
Speaker 2: do you do with the eleven? I don't particularly like
23:29
Speaker 2: the you know, the four plus four plus two plus one. Oh,
23:33
Speaker 2: and then we got to have a spot for Notre
23:34
Speaker 2: Dame maybe who is in the pool but out of
23:37
Speaker 2: the pool and everything else. And you know there there
23:42
Speaker 2: are there are so many people that are only halfway
23:47
Speaker 2: in the pool, a quarter of the way in the pool,
23:48
Speaker 2: a third of the way in the pool. You can't
23:52
Speaker 2: come to the damn swim party and say, no, I
23:54
Speaker 2: just had a big lunch. I'm just gonna sit outside
23:56
Speaker 2: and just watch. I mean, you have you you're in
23:59
Speaker 2: or you're out. You're in or you're out, and you
24:01
Speaker 2: deal with it. And and as as long as everybody
24:04
Speaker 2: is sitting there with various levels of commitment, whether it
24:08
Speaker 2: be on a conference level or team level or whatever,
24:12
Speaker 2: you're never going to have a system that is really
24:15
Speaker 2: going to be representative of what it should be. I
24:17
Speaker 2: think we should just have like an electoral college. Well,
24:20
Speaker 2: there's how we do this.
24:22
Speaker 1: You want you you want some means of getting in,
24:26
Speaker 1: like you want to know how you're going to get in.
24:29
Speaker 1: But if we don't have automatic qualifiers, you're just leaving
24:32
Speaker 1: it up to complete opinion. And now generally, but it
24:38
Speaker 1: wouldn't be if you have you have a four four
24:41
Speaker 1: two two one, you have play in games. You have
24:43
Speaker 1: people actually playing their way in as opposed to you
24:46
Speaker 1: know what we think.
24:47
Speaker 2: But does everybody do it? But does everybody on board
24:49
Speaker 2: with play in games? I mean you brought up play
24:52
Speaker 2: in games, but I mean, is that is that? But
24:55
Speaker 2: is that? Is that truly the legislation that is written
24:59
Speaker 2: on the back of a bar napkin right now saying
25:01
Speaker 2: that four plus you know four plus four plus two
25:03
Speaker 2: plus two that it has that or are we just
25:06
Speaker 2: saying we're gonna have this pool of teams but we
25:10
Speaker 2: know four marbles are going in this in this Cup
25:13
Speaker 2: and four marbles are going in this cup, and two
25:15
Speaker 2: and two and whatever, and you're not necessarily addressing how
25:19
Speaker 2: that's there, and you still don't necessarily have any fairness
25:22
Speaker 2: if you don't have play in games. What is the
25:25
Speaker 2: difference between three and five in the league when you know,
25:29
Speaker 2: you all, I mean you're having you're having to get
25:31
Speaker 2: to some sort of you know, like you know, beauty
25:34
Speaker 2: contest or whatever. I mean if if you have if
25:36
Speaker 2: you have a bunch of teams that are you know,
25:39
Speaker 2: we'll just use nine conference games that are that are
25:42
Speaker 2: six and three. And again, you know, I in that
25:44
Speaker 2: for that to happen, we're talking of very top heavy
25:47
Speaker 2: league versus a more middle heavy league. And I don't
25:49
Speaker 2: necessarily want to get into like five and four because
25:52
Speaker 2: some things really getting money at that point. But again,
25:56
Speaker 2: I think it's I think criteria is the biggest issue
26:00
Speaker 2: right there, and I think that the Big ten really
26:03
Speaker 2: needs to kind of get on board with at least
26:06
Speaker 2: identifying what it feels some of this criteria should be
26:09
Speaker 2: because it makes too much sense to settle it on
26:12
Speaker 2: the field. It makes way too much sense to settle
26:14
Speaker 2: on the field. We're going to have a playoff and
26:16
Speaker 2: settle it on the field. Have we really had a
26:19
Speaker 2: year where there hasn't been at least a little bit
26:21
Speaker 2: of controversy, I mean controversy last year. I can't believe
26:24
Speaker 2: whole miss and in South Carolina and whoever the hell
26:27
Speaker 2: we were, we were left out, you know, you know,
26:30
Speaker 2: brought to you, you know, brought to you by the
26:32
Speaker 2: law firm of Crystal and calling every every coke of
26:37
Speaker 2: coke and whatever the hell else they do down in
26:39
Speaker 2: the South and and and and packer barrel.
26:46
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say, how do you determine, Like, how do
26:48
Speaker 1: you determine fifth place versus third place? You use the
26:51
Speaker 1: standings and that's how you do.
26:55
Speaker 2: Whether there's no head had let me let me.
26:57
Speaker 1: Finish, because what you're suggesting is just do based on opinion.
27:03
Speaker 1: You're saying you first, you you want to have a
27:06
Speaker 1: uniform way of deciding who's in the playoffs. But your
27:10
Speaker 1: solution is opinion, and Kevin.
27:13
Speaker 2: Because it's always going to be opinion.
27:15
Speaker 1: It's not, it's not it's standards.
27:19
Speaker 2: But standing standings aren't fair. If again, if if, if
27:25
Speaker 2: Indiana is in there at at the at the end
27:28
Speaker 2: and their non conference schedule again is old dominion, Kennesas
27:31
Speaker 2: State in Indiana State.
27:33
Speaker 1: It's not big ten conference standings though that does but that's.
27:35
Speaker 2: Still that's still going to be part of it. Because
27:37
Speaker 2: if you get to a point and there's no head
27:38
Speaker 2: to head, if two teams that you're trying to determine
27:42
Speaker 2: did not play each other of the same league record,
27:47
Speaker 2: as you go through the levels, at some point overall
27:51
Speaker 2: record and the you know, the assumption is going to
27:53
Speaker 2: be you're gonna win all your non conference games if
27:56
Speaker 2: you're not scheduling anybody. So how do you how do
27:58
Speaker 2: you get a how do you hit any sort of
28:00
Speaker 2: determination when when you just you have a bunch of
28:05
Speaker 2: nol entries like not in O N O L L
28:08
Speaker 2: our friend in U l l entries because nobody plays
28:12
Speaker 2: anybody in the non conference. So again, I just think
28:17
Speaker 2: that it's a case of we need to sit there
28:19
Speaker 2: and have if you really, if you really want to
28:21
Speaker 2: be part of this, this is how you have to
28:23
Speaker 2: handle your scheduling. You know, I'm starry, but not sorry,
28:28
Speaker 2: get rid of fcs. Sorry you're out, You're out. You
28:32
Speaker 2: have to play at least one game against you know,
28:35
Speaker 2: you have to play at least one game against a
28:38
Speaker 2: power for or foe or whatever to to get a
28:42
Speaker 2: point in whatever the formula is, you know, just sit
28:45
Speaker 2: there and get a get a scratch and sniff sticker
28:47
Speaker 2: on your paper, on your term paper, or whatever you
28:50
Speaker 2: have to you have to hit. You have to hit
28:51
Speaker 2: certain benchmarks. And if you choose, well, we're just happy
28:55
Speaker 2: to be here and you're not going to do that,
28:57
Speaker 2: well then you're just not really serious about it. Then
28:59
Speaker 2: this is all point because honestly, college football has to
29:03
Speaker 2: break away, has to break away from this current structure
29:06
Speaker 2: that it is because you have teams that have been
29:09
Speaker 2: born into old money, that are not spending any money,
29:14
Speaker 2: that don't deserve to be in the mix, and it's
29:17
Speaker 2: making everything more confusing, more cantankerous. And I do thrive
29:21
Speaker 2: on chaos some days, so I'm thriving on this. But
29:24
Speaker 2: I just I have no faith whatsoever that a bunch
29:30
Speaker 2: of people who are sitting there, you know, trying to
29:34
Speaker 2: enrich themselves and are the ones who are supposed to
29:38
Speaker 2: be looking after, you know, gatekeeping the best interests of
29:42
Speaker 2: the sport and of how things are set up. And
29:45
Speaker 2: it is an absolute conflict of interests. So I don't
29:48
Speaker 2: want to go to a blind I don't want to
29:50
Speaker 2: go to blind computers. I don't believe in that. But
29:52
Speaker 2: I also think that everything started to go downhill with
29:55
Speaker 2: the BCS and everything else took away margin of victory,
29:58
Speaker 2: and some of those other things won't hurt anybody's feelings.
30:01
Speaker 2: Oh grow the bleepop, I throw up.
30:04
Speaker 1: I think computers wouldn't be as bad nowadays because you're
30:07
Speaker 1: not just choosing the top two teams. And my thought
30:10
Speaker 1: on this every time when you went from two to
30:13
Speaker 1: four is it's better. And so that the team that
30:16
Speaker 1: is five has no reason to cry because everybody agreed
30:20
Speaker 1: that four was better than two, So shut up. Nobody
30:23
Speaker 1: at thirteen last year had a reason to cry because
30:25
Speaker 1: everybody agreed that twelve was better than four. And so
30:27
Speaker 1: somebody's always going to be upset. Somebody's always going to
30:30
Speaker 1: be left out. Shut up. You had your chance. You
30:32
Speaker 1: should have been a little bit better. Maybe next time you,
30:37
Speaker 1: mister I love computers.
30:38
Speaker 2: You know that all you have to do is go
30:40
Speaker 2: into Wikipedia, which of course is never wrong, but this
30:43
Speaker 2: is not wrong. Here and two computers named Oregon National Champions.
30:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying go to computers. I'm just saying
30:52
Speaker 1: it would be better if it wouldn't, it would be
30:55
Speaker 1: less controversial, and not to choose national champions, but to
30:59
Speaker 1: choose who is in the playoffs, because again, you're distrustful
31:03
Speaker 1: of the people that you are also trying to give
31:05
Speaker 1: all of the control to in terms of choosing who
31:07
Speaker 1: the playoffs are or the playoff teams are. And I
31:10
Speaker 1: think that's more dangerous than just having the teams play
31:14
Speaker 1: in terms of are there playing games They've been talked about,
31:18
Speaker 1: but you know what does that mean? The SEC has
31:20
Speaker 1: even talked about one versus eight, two versus seven, which
31:23
Speaker 1: is insane to me, Like, don't even make the imagine
31:27
Speaker 1: the anger that, say, Kirby Smart is the coach of
31:31
Speaker 1: the one seed having to play the eight seed for
31:34
Speaker 1: what for no reason? And really that's the same thing
31:37
Speaker 1: with the conference championship games. Now one other point tiebreakers,
31:41
Speaker 1: I just like Big ten tie breaker has they do
31:44
Speaker 1: not consider non conference scheduling at all and all that
31:47
Speaker 1: it's all just records against conference teams in this fashion
31:51
Speaker 1: or that fashion, and then it's sports source analytics as
31:54
Speaker 1: like the sixth or seventh tiebreaker chooses or then it's
31:57
Speaker 1: just a random job.
31:58
Speaker 2: And I was gonna say that as a coin flip,
32:00
Speaker 2: and then their pistols at dawn. I mean, there's just
32:02
Speaker 2: a lot of sopidity that's on there, and I understand it,
32:06
Speaker 2: but I think that you if you bring we can't
32:08
Speaker 2: sit there and talk about, well, the Big Ten wants
32:10
Speaker 2: this uniformity of nine conference games and everything else, and like, seriously,
32:15
Speaker 2: you're three levels away from playing Rochambau against each other
32:19
Speaker 2: to determine who who could be in the playoffs. I mean,
32:21
Speaker 2: it doesn't it doesn't make any sense at that point.
32:25
Speaker 2: So if you put in play, if you put in
32:27
Speaker 2: play in games to a certain extent and you cap it,
32:30
Speaker 2: at least you can say things are being taken care
32:33
Speaker 2: of on the field. But the reality is is we
32:38
Speaker 2: and we will. I guarantee you, I will write this
32:39
Speaker 2: story at some point about there are eleven teams going
32:44
Speaker 2: into twenty twenty five, and that's just random number, maybe smaller.
32:48
Speaker 2: There are eleven teams that realistically have a shot at
32:50
Speaker 2: winning the national championship, and we already have a playoff
32:53
Speaker 2: that's sitting at sixteen or we'll be sitting at sixteen.
32:57
Speaker 2: And then you sit there and you start expanding to
33:00
Speaker 2: play in games and everything else, and then before you
33:02
Speaker 2: know it, the n C two A basketball tournament is
33:05
Speaker 2: you know, two hundred and twelve teams.
33:07
Speaker 1: That's a different sport. That's not part that's not part
33:09
Speaker 1: of this.
33:09
Speaker 2: But that's not part of it. But but again, it's
33:11
Speaker 2: let's let's just keep expanding it out and dilute it
33:14
Speaker 2: to where it tasts like really bad kool aid. And
33:18
Speaker 2: that's that's that's the direction we're going in right now.
33:22
Speaker 2: I'm okay with twelve, I'm okay with sixteen. I'm not
33:26
Speaker 2: okay with more than that. I'm okay with more than that.
33:28
Speaker 2: If we sit there and we take the have nots
33:30
Speaker 2: out of these conferences that just happen to be in
33:33
Speaker 2: the right room at the right time in nineteen Dickity
33:36
Speaker 2: two and managed to get in and have not put
33:39
Speaker 2: a single investment, some of them playing in just you know,
33:44
Speaker 2: high school stadiums. Well that too, that too, but you know,
33:49
Speaker 2: at least, at least Purdue has been able to it
33:52
Speaker 2: has a little bit of a better track record of
33:54
Speaker 2: being a giant killer than Vanderbilt, you know not, I mean,
33:58
Speaker 2: notwithstanding there, you know, they're they're their thirty eighth year
34:01
Speaker 2: senior quarterbacks that they have right now, Well.
34:04
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, would you rather watch a
34:08
Speaker 1: Big Ten championship game between two teams that are obviously
34:12
Speaker 1: in because again, all of the all of the participants
34:16
Speaker 1: in the conference championship games, the major the four major
34:18
Speaker 1: conference championship games last year got into the playoffs. Nobody
34:22
Speaker 1: lost their way out, which is something that the committee
34:24
Speaker 1: said they don't plan on doing. They don't plan on
34:26
Speaker 1: punishing somebody for losing that game, which means the game
34:29
Speaker 1: is meaningless and there's no there's no cost to it,
34:33
Speaker 1: there's no benefit to it. So would you rather watch
34:35
Speaker 1: a Big ten championship game or two Big Ten games
34:39
Speaker 1: that same day where the winners are in the playoffs
34:42
Speaker 1: and the losers are more than likely out and there's
34:45
Speaker 1: actual stakes.
34:48
Speaker 2: Well, of course I'd want to see the ladder, but
34:51
Speaker 2: it needs to be a case of if you lose
34:52
Speaker 2: that game, your outs.
34:54
Speaker 1: Sorry, you can't do that because you still need the math.
34:57
Speaker 1: You still need.
34:59
Speaker 2: But if you just said there, if you sit there
35:01
Speaker 2: and you're just let you're breaking four into two plus two,
35:05
Speaker 2: one and two are in your your top two and
35:08
Speaker 2: then three verses six and four verses five if we're
35:11
Speaker 2: just if that's what we're saying there, if you're three.
35:16
Speaker 1: You may still have an opportunity, but it's gonna I
35:19
Speaker 1: don't like that.
35:20
Speaker 2: But I don't like that.
35:21
Speaker 1: I don't that's just that's math though, that's math.
35:24
Speaker 2: Well, I think it just has to be part of
35:25
Speaker 2: the arrangement. But then again, you're getting in a point
35:27
Speaker 2: of where if then if you're the Big twelve or
35:31
Speaker 2: or whoever, and you're not having that, so you're you're
35:34
Speaker 2: you're you're putting a disadvantage to the bigger conferences by
35:39
Speaker 2: potentially knocking out it's more powerful. You know, it's three
35:42
Speaker 2: and it's four. But if you sit there and you're three,
35:45
Speaker 2: and you and you lose to six and then you
35:48
Speaker 2: make it in and God forbidden six doesn't make it
35:51
Speaker 2: in because of math, then what what the hell? What
35:54
Speaker 2: the hell would we just do? Six?
35:56
Speaker 1: Six? Six wins their way in three? Like, I don't
35:59
Speaker 1: have a problem not saying you can't be in the
36:02
Speaker 1: playoffs if you lose a play in game. But what's
36:04
Speaker 1: gonna happen is somebody else is going to fill that spot,
36:08
Speaker 1: you know, somebody from the Big twelve or somebody that
36:12
Speaker 1: the seven team from the Big Ten is going to
36:14
Speaker 1: fill that spot. Basically, so you're gonna need three automate
36:18
Speaker 1: three at large teams, and one of them is probably
36:21
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. And then you're gonna have two teams two
36:24
Speaker 1: spots that are gonna have to be filled by either
36:26
Speaker 1: Big twelve or ACC teams that didn't make their play
36:29
Speaker 1: in games, or an ACC and a Big Ten team
36:32
Speaker 1: that lost their playing game. Now generally it's there may
36:37
Speaker 1: not be any of this happening, but like if you're
36:40
Speaker 1: the fifth seed or the sixth seed and you lose,
36:41
Speaker 1: you're most likely not going to be in. So it's
36:43
Speaker 1: gonna have to be a three or four and which case.
36:46
Speaker 1: Then it becomes a situation where it's like, well, we
36:49
Speaker 1: had to pick somebody and and so it's that third
36:52
Speaker 1: seed or that the Big ten of the SEC. Because
36:55
Speaker 1: again I would have a problem saying there's no way
36:58
Speaker 1: to get in after you lose. I just don't know
37:00
Speaker 1: how the math works on that. You know, like so
37:04
Speaker 1: Ohio State is the third seed and they lose, so
37:06
Speaker 1: they're out, but Kansas State gets in at eight and four.
37:11
Speaker 2: It's and it's the flawed system, and you know you
37:14
Speaker 2: can sit there and sell this under the under the
37:17
Speaker 2: pennant of opportunity, and all I'm seeing is hoop jumping.
37:22
Speaker 2: You're ever gonna jump through a lot of hoops if
37:23
Speaker 2: you're in a power, if you're truly in one of
37:26
Speaker 2: the consequential conferences, if you're in one of the two conferences,
37:31
Speaker 2: because there's not a power for it's power too. And
37:34
Speaker 2: then everybody else, you know, just damn glad to be here.
37:38
Speaker 2: And then then then you have Notre Dame just sitting
37:40
Speaker 2: there eating his full share, you know, listening to the
37:45
Speaker 2: stupid drop cake. Murphy's being annoying problem, spraying graffiti on
37:50
Speaker 2: some crap. I mean that again, there has to be
37:56
Speaker 2: I came into this whole thing, and all all I've
37:59
Speaker 2: done is not dug into molten earth. I'm so dug
38:02
Speaker 2: in on my on my positions. We're we're sitting there
38:05
Speaker 2: bending over backwards for people that we shouldn't be bending
38:08
Speaker 2: over backwards for. Sorry, your league sucks. Sorry, Miami has
38:14
Speaker 2: never won the ACC and it's entire time that it's
38:17
Speaker 2: been in the ACC. Sorry that the Big twelve lost.
38:21
Speaker 2: It's two you know, it's two war daddies. And had
38:25
Speaker 2: to sit there and pick the bones of the pac twelve,
38:28
Speaker 2: after the Big after the Big ten got what it wanted.
38:31
Speaker 2: I don't you know again, I think that further and
38:36
Speaker 2: foremost is no clean answer. There really is no clean answer.
38:39
Speaker 2: Uh guaranteed berths. I don't like, you know, I don't
38:44
Speaker 2: like a couple of guaranteed berths. And then you know,
38:47
Speaker 2: just this indiscriminate everybody, you know five plus eleven. Everybody
38:50
Speaker 2: else is just you know, is free to go about it. It's
38:52
Speaker 2: like cannonball run. You just know you need to get
38:55
Speaker 2: from from New York to to to Malibu and and
38:57
Speaker 2: and and do everything, whether or not you're in in
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Speaker 2: a really awesome Japanese car or a in an ambulance
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Speaker 2: with a really weird doctor and then and captain Chaos
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Speaker 2: or whatever. It's just it's it's way too willing nilly
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Speaker 2: for me. It doesn't it doesn't pass muster. And honestly,
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Speaker 2: we are within a thousand days of a conference suing
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Speaker 2: because they don't like the way that things were there.
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Speaker 2: And that'll truly be a dark day in the sport
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Speaker 2: because nobody can just sit there and take what it
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Speaker 2: is at face value. And everybody's got to be a
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Speaker 2: little cry baby female dog about it.
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Speaker 1: It feels like the easiest solution, or the solution with
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Speaker 1: the least amount of pushback, is five plus eleven because
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Speaker 1: the big twelve of the ACC and the SEC sounds
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Speaker 1: like we'd sign off on that, and I don't know
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Speaker 1: that well the big ten drag your feet on that.
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Speaker 1: Probably not James Delay, probably wouldn't have liked it, but
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Speaker 1: then he would have. We asked like he always did.
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Speaker 2: There was no laundry, money, he.
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Speaker 1: Didn't like uh, didn't like the playoffs, didn't like this,
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Speaker 1: didn't like that, but started a network which made a
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Speaker 1: bunch of money and changed the industry forever. But again,
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Speaker 1: we've gone over this. I think you're you've come to
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Speaker 1: my side of things.
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Speaker 2: Even if you want absolutely not, absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: Even if you're noncommittal on whether or not you've come
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Speaker 1: over to.
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Speaker 2: My side of things, absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: I think it's clear that you have. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for joining me today and the show. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it's the longest buck Eye Tomorrow morning ever,
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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna have to go ahead and put it in.
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Speaker 2: It's probably the best.
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Speaker 1: I should just give the countdown for the rest of
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Speaker 1: the weekend. Then also we'll make this a Friday show
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Speaker 1: as well. Uh, but now we'll have something for Friday.
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Speaker 1: going on. We got Burman Mark Gibler talking about that.
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Speaker 1: Of course, camp season has started. Today is the first
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Speaker 1: day of camp. We hopefully we'll have something after camp.
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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of possible rain and storms
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Speaker 1: on Thursday, so we'll see how that goes. And uh,
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Speaker 1: make that a little more interesting for Kevin will be
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Speaker 1: carrying around some some camera equipment.
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Speaker 2: Just maybe stard No, no, I won't.
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Speaker 1: So well, yeah, you know summer storms, there's not generally
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Speaker 1: a lot of lightning involved with that sort of stuff.
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