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  Speaker 3: You're listening to Life Kit from NPR. Hey, everybody. It's Marielle.
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  Speaker 4: A few years ago, our digital editor, Malika Garib, lost
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  Speaker 4: her passport two days before a big international trip. Getting
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  Speaker 4: a new passport expedited would cost her hundreds of dollars,
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  Speaker 4: and she wasn't sure if it would even get to
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  Speaker 4: her in time.
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  Speaker 3: You can imagine how stressed I was. I mean, the
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  Speaker 3: last time I saw my passport was on the bed.
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  Speaker 3: But I retraced my steps about a dozen times and nothing.
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  Speaker 4: She was so stressed about the missing passport, she even
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  Speaker 4: took off work to look for it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I was really frazzled. I tore up the
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  Speaker 3: house and I was checking the most random places like
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  Speaker 3: the bathroom cabinets.
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  Speaker 4: That experience made Malika think, you know, there has to
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  Speaker 4: be a more methodical way of finding lost objects.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like, what do researchers know? And what about
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  Speaker 3: people like detectives and search and rescue responders? How do
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  Speaker 3: they hunt stuff down?
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  Speaker 4: On this episode of Life Kit, how to find the
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  Speaker 4: stuff you've lost. And we're not just going to tell
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  Speaker 4: you to look harder if you've lost something. Malika will
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  Speaker 4: bring you useful techniques to find things that don't have
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  Speaker 4: an air tag on them, whether that's something sentimental like
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  Speaker 4: a class ring or something valuable like an envelope full
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  Speaker 4: of cash or something you need to cross the border.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll reveal how I finally found my missing passport.
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  Speaker 6: Country singer and rapper Shaboosie wants us to remember our
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  Speaker 2: four cowboys were black.
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  Speaker 5: and to hear some of her dollyisms. I always say
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  Speaker 5: that it's a good thing I was a woman, because
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  Speaker 3: So after I called my boss and told him I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't coming in, I went into my bedroom where I
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  Speaker 3: lost my passport and I turned it upside down. I
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  Speaker 3: remember feeling so overwhelmed that I wasn't looking carefully enough.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly what you want to avoid when you're looking
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  Speaker 3: for a lost object. This is takeaway one. Your attention
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  Speaker 3: is like a spotlight and you need to be able
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  Speaker 3: to point it at the task at hand. To do that,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to relax, which I know is the last
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  Speaker 3: thing you want to hear when you've lost something important.
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  Speaker 3: Erin Robbins is a cognitive psychologist at the University of Richmond,
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  Speaker 3: and she specializes in visual search. She says that stress
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  Speaker 3: clouds our ability to focus.
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  Speaker 8: Stress can have a couple of different types of effects
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  Speaker 8: on us.
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  Speaker 3: So imagine you're.
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  Speaker 8: Highly distracted because you're thinking about something that's coming up, like.
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  Speaker 3: A big international trip that you're packing and getting ready for.
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  Speaker 8: That type of distraction, that mental distraction, is taking away
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  Speaker 8: attentional resources from the task at hand.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 3: I was already frazzled when I was handling my passport
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  Speaker 3: to begin with. Then I realized I lost it, which
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  Speaker 3: was my second layer of stress.
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  Speaker 8: In terms of visual processing, when you are stressed out,
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  Speaker 8: you have that sort of fight or flight response kicking in.
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  Speaker 8: That sympathetic nervous system is kicking into gear. Your heart
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  Speaker 8: is beating a little faster. You might get a little
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  Speaker 8: sweaty because you're anxious. What that does is it actually
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  Speaker 8: narrows your attention.
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  Speaker 3: So if your attention is like a spotlight, you could
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  Speaker 3: increase the size of that beam or shrink it down.
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  Speaker 3: When it's narrow, it's almost like you're having tunnel vision.
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  Speaker 3: On one hand, that can be great. You're able to
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  Speaker 3: process your environment with a lot more detail. But you,
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  Speaker 3: to some degree.
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  Speaker 8: Need your attention sort of expanded in order to get
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  Speaker 8: the gist of your search environment to know where to
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  Speaker 8: put that spotlight next.
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  Speaker 3: So take a moment to widen that beam.
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  Speaker 8: It helps to take a breath, kind of calm the
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  Speaker 8: body down, because it really is your body response to
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  Speaker 8: that stress that's causing that restriction and attention.
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  Speaker 3: Once you've calmed down and centered yourself again, it's time
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  Speaker 3: to start hunting. Takeaway two. If you've lost something important,
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  Speaker 3: think about the features of the object that would really
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  Speaker 3: make it stand out in the environment. Erin says it'll
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  Speaker 3: make your search easier and more efficient.
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  Speaker 8: When you are looking for objects, you're using... A bunch
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  Speaker 8: of different cognitive processes in your brain, but the two
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  Speaker 8: most important ones are memory and attention.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to rely on your memory to remind you
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  Speaker 3: what the lost object looks like and its likely location.
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  Speaker 8: It's visual features like color, shape, texture, size, memory for
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  Speaker 8: where the object is most likely going to be. And
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  Speaker 8: that information and memory is used to direct your attention.
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  Speaker 3: Say you're looking for a white sedan in the parking lot.
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  Speaker 3: To find it, you're not going to look at every
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  Speaker 3: single car in the lot.
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  Speaker 8: Your attention is going to be directed to cars that
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  Speaker 8: are white, that are sedan-shaped. You're going to skip over
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  Speaker 8: the black SUVs, and that helps you save time.
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  Speaker 3: This is what scientists call attentional guidance. It's the process
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  Speaker 3: of moving your attention toward areas in your environment where
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  Speaker 3: you'd most likely find your object, including important features of
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  Speaker 3: your object and where you tend to keep the object.
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  Speaker 3: It's something we do all the time without even realizing it.
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  Speaker 3: When we look for our toothbrush in the morning or
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  Speaker 3: favorite coffee mug, you only realize you're looking for something
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  Speaker 3: when it becomes challenging. For example, when you're looking for
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  Speaker 3: a white sedan in a parking lot full of white sedans.
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  Speaker 8: So in that case, you have to really think about
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  Speaker 8: what would make this object stand apart in the scene.
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  Speaker 8: What are some distinctive features of this object? Maybe you
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  Speaker 8: have a bumper sticker that sets it apart.
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  Speaker 3: Erin used this tactic recently when she lost the back
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  Speaker 3: of a rose gold earring on a carpet in a
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  Speaker 3: similar color.
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  Speaker 8: So I had to think about, okay, what would set
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  Speaker 8: my earring apart from this carpet that would allow me
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  Speaker 8: to find it? Well, my earring is shiny. It would
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  Speaker 8: reflect light. And so as soon as I thought about that,
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  Speaker 8: like almost instantly, I saw it.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 9: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So you've tried this technique and you still can't find
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  Speaker 3: what you're looking for. Time for takeaway three. Think about
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  Speaker 3: the likely scenarios of how and where your object got lost.
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  Speaker 3: Damien Garcia is a metal detecting enthusiast. For more than
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  Speaker 3: a decade, he's been using his metal detector to help
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  Speaker 3: people where he lives in Northern California find their lost
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  Speaker 3: jewelry in some pretty challenging environments. Parks, beaches, roads... His
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  Speaker 3: track record is impressive. Over the years, he says he's
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  Speaker 3: helped recover some 50 lost objects for folks. When people
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  Speaker 3: pay him to find a lost object, he charges around
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  Speaker 3: 25 to 35 bucks a search. He starts off by
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  Speaker 3: asking them questions.
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  Speaker 10: Do you have any locations that you put it normally?
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  Speaker 10: Have you lost it before? Has it fallen off before
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  Speaker 10: while doing something? You know, some people say, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 10: it always slips off when I'm in my car and
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  Speaker 10: I play with my ring while I'm driving.
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  Speaker 3: Then he goes through typical ways people lose rings off
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  Speaker 3: their hand. He's got a lot of experience in the
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  Speaker 3: behavior of rings, as you can imagine.
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  Speaker 10: Did you throw anything away that day? Were you dealing
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  Speaker 10: with cold water? Did you put on lotion somewhere?
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  Speaker 3: And one of my favorite ways that Damien helps people
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  Speaker 3: find their lost jewelry, without the use of a metal detector,
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  Speaker 3: is to recreate the scene.
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  Speaker 10: An example of that was that a couple... were pulled
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  Speaker 10: over on the side of the road and she tossed
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  Speaker 10: the ring out in the passenger seat.
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  Speaker 3: Side note, Damien says this scenario happens a lot. Couples
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  Speaker 3: get into an argument and one of them takes off
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  Speaker 3: their wedding band and chucks it out the window in anger.
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  Speaker 3: But then they make up and then they can't find
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  Speaker 3: where they threw their ring. So they contact Damien.
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  Speaker 10: And she kept going, it's right there. I threw it
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  Speaker 10: straight out the window right there.
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  Speaker 3: Damien wondered, was it really right there? He wanted to
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  Speaker 3: test the theory, so he took a cheap ring, tied
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  Speaker 3: a long red ribbon onto it, and asked the woman
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  Speaker 3: to throw the ring out the window again like she
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  Speaker 3: did with her wedding ring.
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  Speaker 10: Well, she threw it three times in a row, and
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  Speaker 10: it never went straight out the window like you would think.
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  Speaker 10: It went flying back behind the car because of her
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  Speaker 10: arm going out the window makes her hand throw it
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  Speaker 10: towards the back of the car. So it went back
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  Speaker 10: about 20 feet to the rear of the car going
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  Speaker 10: a different direction.
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  Speaker 3: Using this technique, he was able to find the woman's ring. Yay, Damien! So,
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  Speaker 3: the next time you lose something, try recreating the potential
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  Speaker 3: movement of the object. I should have done that with
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  Speaker 3: my passport. I could have taken something similar. similar to it,
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  Speaker 3: like a little booklet or something, laid it on my bed,
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  Speaker 3: the last place I saw it, and I could have
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  Speaker 3: ruffled the duvet cover around to see where something of
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  Speaker 3: that size and weight might have landed. Because where I
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  Speaker 3: ultimately found it was not that far from my bed, actually.
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  Speaker 3: More on the exact spot later. At this point in
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  Speaker 3: your search, you've probably looked in some pretty obvious places.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's time to change your perspective and scour elsewhere.
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  Speaker 3: This is Takeaway 4. Michael Hout is a cognitive psychologist
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  Speaker 3: and the director of the Vision Sciences and Memory Lab
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  Speaker 3: at New Mexico State University. He specializes in how people
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  Speaker 3: find things and where and why people move their eyes.
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  Speaker 3: He was telling me about this experiment that one of
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  Speaker 3: his students did. She had participants look for objects in
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  Speaker 3: a campus courtyard. And she found that people tended only
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  Speaker 3: to look at the ground when they searched.
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  Speaker 9: So they're not looking up. They're just kind of walking
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  Speaker 9: in a straight line and sweeping back and forth with
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  Speaker 9: their head and their eyes in front of them.
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  Speaker 3: This is different from how search and rescue responders and
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  Speaker 3: law enforcement operate. These professionals scan their environment in 360 degrees.
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  Speaker 3: That means.
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  Speaker 9: Looking down, looking up, looking left and right, crouching down
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  Speaker 9: to change your perspective. turning around to view things that
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  Speaker 9: weren't visible to you when you first approached them.
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  Speaker 3: He says if you've lost something, you need to engage
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  Speaker 3: in these kinds of perspective-changing behaviors too. That also means
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  Speaker 3: looking in unexpected places. So if you can't find your
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  Speaker 3: keys in the places where you normally leave them, your purse,
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  Speaker 3: your pocket, the entryway table at the front door.
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  Speaker 9: You also have to then... sort of force yourself to
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  Speaker 9: look in the low probability areas. I think sometimes people
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  Speaker 9: put their keys in weird places or they drop them
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  Speaker 9: or someone moves them.
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  Speaker 3: Search and rescue responders use this technique when they look
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  Speaker 3: for missing persons in the wilderness. Instead of just looking
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  Speaker 3: on a trail for clues like footprints or a cell phone,
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  Speaker 3: they look up at the trees and off the beaten path.
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  Speaker 9: A windbreaker that someone shed when they were getting hot,
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  Speaker 9: for example, might have been picked up by the wind
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  Speaker 9: and blown into a bush or a tree.
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  Speaker 3: When I was looking for my passport, I actually checked
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  Speaker 3: inside the fridge. I know this sounds far-fetched, but maybe
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  Speaker 3: I was holding it, intending to put it in my backpack,
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  Speaker 3: got hungry, and then brought it into the kitchen with me? No,
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  Speaker 3: I did not find it in the fridge. But it
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  Speaker 3: was still good that I did that anyway. This exercise
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  Speaker 3: is all about breaking out of the way you would
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  Speaker 3: normally search for something.
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  Speaker 9: And that takes a little bit of additional effort to
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  Speaker 9: sort of force yourself out of the routine that you
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  Speaker 9: might automatically use to look for something.
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  Speaker 3: More tips from LifeKit in a moment.
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  Speaker 11: This season on Planet Money Summer School, we have drilled
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  Speaker 11: for oil in Norway. We've smuggled products into North Korea.
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  Speaker 11: And now we make it to our seventh continent, Antarctica.
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  Speaker 10: That's right.
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  Speaker 11: Speak for me.
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  Speaker 4: Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Penguin, speak to me. That's another sound of Antarctica. That's
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  Speaker 3: a reporter trying to interview a penguin.
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  Speaker 11: We'll explain on Planet Money Summer School. Listen on the
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  Speaker 3: At this point, if you've looked in some weird places
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  Speaker 3: and you still can't find your lost object, it's time
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  Speaker 3: to bust out a more serious search technique. Takeaway five.
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  Speaker 3: Divide your space up into sections and then search each
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  Speaker 3: section thoroughly. Erin says grid search, as it's called, is
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  Speaker 3: one form of systematic search. It's sometimes used in search
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  Speaker 3: and rescue as a last resort to find missing people.
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  Speaker 3: But it can also be a useful tool if you're
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  Speaker 3: looking for something in a messy room where your missing
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  Speaker 3: object's distinctive features may be hard to spot.
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  Speaker 8: It's going to be slow, less efficient, but it's going
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  Speaker 8: to ensure that you find the thing that you're looking for.
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  Speaker 8: And so in this case, you might imagine that your
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  Speaker 8: search environment, whether it's a room or an office space,
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  Speaker 8: is like a grid, and you want to cover each
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  Speaker 8: square in the grid, maybe top to bottom, left to right.
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  Speaker 3: Erin says the general idea is to come up with
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  Speaker 3: a strategy to be thorough without having to remember every
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  Speaker 3: location you've already looked at. You don't necessarily have to
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  Speaker 3: measure out a grid, just imagine breaking down the search
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  Speaker 3: environment into smaller units. Sections of a room, pieces of furniture,
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  Speaker 3: then search those units in an order that makes sense
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  Speaker 3: to you. Erin says you are likely going to forget
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  Speaker 3: where you searched. So have a way to remember the
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  Speaker 3: places you already sifted through. When I lost my passport
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  Speaker 3: in my bedroom, I deployed a similar strategy. I divided
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  Speaker 3: the room into sections and I put a post-it note
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  Speaker 3: where I'd already looked. Erin thought that was an excellent strategy.
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  Speaker 3: But did I find my passport with this method?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 3: Looking back on my journey to find my passport, I
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  Speaker 3: realized I did one thing right. I was persistent. That's
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  Speaker 3: our final takeaway. Takeaway six, be persistent. Daryl Ellis is
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  Speaker 3: head of A1 Detective Agency in Illinois. He's been a
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  Speaker 3: private investigator since 1996. His whole job is to find stuff, people,
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  Speaker 3: to say, serve them legal papers, but sometimes physical items
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  Speaker 3: like vintage cars and important documents. I asked him what
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  Speaker 3: it takes to be a good detective.
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  Speaker 2: If I had to use one word, I would say tenacity.
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  Speaker 2: It's my client asking me to.
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  Speaker 2: Do a performer service for them, and I try to
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  Speaker 2: do my best to locate anybody that they're requesting me
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  Speaker 2: to locate.
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  Speaker 3: Daryl can spend hours doing surveillance, following targets, taking photos
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  Speaker 3: of them, logging their whereabouts, weeks tracking down information about
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  Speaker 3: the location of a specific individual.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking for a gentleman now. I've been
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  Speaker 2: looking for him for a month, and we've pulled out
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  Speaker 2: all the resources, kind of located him, been to five
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  Speaker 2: or six addresses, and he hasn't lived there.
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  Speaker 3: Daryl says he'll keep looking as long as his clients
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  Speaker 3: want him to. But Damien says sometimes they give up
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  Speaker 3: before he does.
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  Speaker 10: Sometimes they don't have the patience. And they're, you know,
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  Speaker 10: an hour into it, two hours into it, and I'm
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  Speaker 10: on my hands and knees and crawling through bushes and stuff,
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  Speaker 10: and they're looking at me like, you don't have to
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  Speaker 10: go anymore looking, and you don't, you know, they're kind
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  Speaker 10: of like, well, I guess it's gone. And I just
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  Speaker 10: tell them, no, no, I don't give up until I'm.
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  Speaker 3: So, if you've lost something you really care about, keep going.
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  Speaker 3: Don't lose hope. When I was looking for my passport,
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  Speaker 3: I remember sitting on my bed and looking around the room.
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  Speaker 3: At this point, it was about 3 p.m., and my
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  Speaker 3: brain was fried. There were post-it notes everywhere. I had
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  Speaker 3: emptied all the drawers in my cabinet to see if
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  Speaker 3: the passport was in there. And I just had this
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  Speaker 3: moment of clarity. The passport has to be near the bed.
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  Speaker 3: It has to be, because that's where I last saw it,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't remember taking it anywhere else. So, I
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  Speaker 3: pushed the mattress off the bed, and where did I
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  Speaker 3: find it? Wedged between the wall of the bed and
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  Speaker 3: the side of the mattress. Hallelujah! Reflecting back on that wild,
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  Speaker 3: wild search, I truly believe that if I had these
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  Speaker 3: tips I just gave you, I would have found it
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  Speaker 3: a lot faster. And listen, if you don't find the
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  Speaker 3: object you're looking for, hold on to the fact that
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  Speaker 3: you tried really, really hard to find it. That's what
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  Speaker 3: Damien does.
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  Speaker 10: It may help to know that I did my best
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  Speaker 10: to look for it, you know, and not to spend
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  Speaker 10: time looking in areas that I have looked and, you know,
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  Speaker 10: maybe it'll show up someday. Or if not, you know,
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  Speaker 10: you did the best you could.
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  Speaker 3: Let's recap. Takeaway one, your attention is a spotlight. You
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  Speaker 3: need to be relaxed so you can widen your beam
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  Speaker 3: and stay focused on your search. Takeaway two, speed up
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  Speaker 3: your search by identifying the qualities of your missing object
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  Speaker 3: that make it stand out from the environment. Takeaway three,
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  Speaker 3: search the obvious. Think about the likely scenarios of how
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  Speaker 3: and why your object might have gotten lost to begin
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  Speaker 3: with and where it might be. Takeaway four, change your perspective.
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  Speaker 3: Professional finders like search and rescue responders don't just look.
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  Speaker 1: At the floor.
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  Speaker 3: They look behind, they look above, and they look off
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  Speaker 3: the beaten path. Takeaway five, create a systematic way of
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  Speaker 3: searching for your lost object. Divide your room into a grid,
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  Speaker 3: search each square thoroughly, and use post-it notes to mark
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  Speaker 3: where you've already looked. And finally, takeaway six, don't give up.
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  Speaker 3: Be persistent, just like our detective and our metal detecting enthusiast,
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  Speaker 3: and you'll hopefully find what you're looking for.
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