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Why do you do what you do with Greg Dempster & 3 reasons we struggle with Identity with Philip Miller · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide. Overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined. Start
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  S1: your morning with a laugh.
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  S2: Practical from the Bible. Tips and tricks to kill. Not
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  S3: Tips and tricks to kill. Tips and tricks.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S4: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up
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  S4: with achievement in good works. Well, God wasn't impressed by that,
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  S4: even if other people were.
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  S2: The gospel changes everything.
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  S5: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement
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  S5: just falling to the ground.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew. The only way to open the show today
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  S1: is with a huge thank you.
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  S4: My goodness. Yeah.
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  S2: How could it be anything else?
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  S5: And some clapping and some cheer and praise.
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  S4: The last two days, our partnership with the Timothy initiative.
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  S4: Your response overwhelming from across the country. Grabbing on to this.
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  S4: I can plant a church. I can contribute to having
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  S4: a church planted in a place where they have little
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  S4: to no access to the gospel. Yeah.
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  S1: Yesterday, for the last two hours, we exceeded 100 churches.
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  S1: A half an hour, 400 churches in two hours. Actually
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  S1: more than that, more than 400 churches in two hours
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  S1: were planted as a result of you, the boom crew.
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  S4: So thank you. Thank you for whatever role that you played.
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  S4: You you prayed, you listened. You gave. Thank you for
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  S4: your partnership.
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  S1: Yeah. Yeah. And it's not too late to give. You
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  S1: can go to planet church. Planet church.com. I mean, I'm
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  S1: not going to stop trumpeting what they're doing at t
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  S1: t I what a strategic ministry.
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  S4: Ali, it was really cool to learn more about and
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  S4: hear so many stories, so many of the stories. We're
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  S4: kind of took your breath away a little bit. Yeah.
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  S4: When you, when you're reminded of the cost of following
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  S4: Jesus that people are paying around the world and that
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  S4: we have the opportunity to help plant a church so
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  S4: that believers are connected with other believers, where disciples are
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  S4: making disciples and churches are being planted. It's a special thing.
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  S1: Yeah, it's it's inspiring. It's breathtaking. It's, um, heartbreaking and
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  S1: heartwarming all at the same time, isn't it?
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  S4: It is. So again, we can't say it enough. Uh,
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  S4: on behalf of the team at the Timothy initiative, they
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  S4: walked out of here just so overjoyed and so grateful
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  S4: for you and us here at Moody Radio. Thank you.
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  S1: Yeah. Thank you so much. So we're talking what if
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  S1: all week long. What if. And Ali's got crazy ones?
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  S1: We're gonna. Oh, let's throw in a quick, crazy one.
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  S4: This one's a fun one. What if you could, in
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  S4: an instant have one talent or skill that you don't
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  S4: currently possess. So there's not years of building up to this.
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  S4: You could in an instant have a talent you don't
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  S4: currently have. What would you like that to be?
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  S1: Oh, I got to cogitate because the first thing that
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  S1: came to mind. I don't want to say so let
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  S1: me think on that one a little bit more. You
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  S1: got one young thunder.
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  S2: Yeah. I would love to play the piano. Okay. Yeah.
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  S2: I don't play the piano. I've tried and. And I'll
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  S2: probably get back into it. I have a really hard
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  S2: time keeping, you know, rhythm and stuff. Like the two
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  S2: hands are doing two different things. I don't think my
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  S2: hands can do that rhythm. Sometimes I do, definitely 100%.
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  S1: I've always wondered, how did these guys do this? Have
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  S1: you seen these guys on these YouTube shorts where they're
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  S1: out there? No joking. Yeah, they've got a microphone. They've
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  S1: got a guitar and they've got the way their feet
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  S1: are wired to ropes and stuff. They've got drums and
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  S1: cymbals on their back.
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  S2: The one man band type.
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  S1: One man band thing. And they're. It sounds like a
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  S1: real band. It's not like rinky dink. It sounds good.
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  S3: Good.
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  S4: Impressive.
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  S1: It blows my mind.
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  S2: It's pretty incredible.
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  S1: Okay. So. All right, I'm going to say what I
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  S1: thought first. Okay. And I don't know why, but I've
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  S1: been so inspired by Quad God. I would love to
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  S1: be able to do a quad on figure skates.
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  S3: Oh.
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  S4: That's amazing. Okay, that's.
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  S3: I never would have thought.
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  S1: And I'm an ice skater. I'm an ice skater.
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  S3: I can skate very well.
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  S4: To be able to get yourself up off the ground,
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  S4: do four rotations in the air and then land it
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  S4: with just perfection.
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  S1: Yeah, I don't think I've done a I can skate
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  S1: backwards fast and all that stuff. But yeah, I'm not
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  S1: one for spinning in the air. So if I could
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  S1: do a quad God thing, yeah, I'd go for that.
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  S1: That'd be good. And the bummer is Young Thunder took mine.
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  S1: I'd play the piano.
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  S2: Oh, really? Yeah. That's awesome.
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  S1: I'm not just following you. I would do it.
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  S2: I'm playing the piano. Piano is like one of the
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  S2: coolest instruments in terms of sound, but it looks so difficult.
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  S2: Why are you laughing?
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  S1: I'm not.
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  S2: Laughing. She is.
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  S4: Laughing. Two of them just having this conversation. So Super Di,
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  S4: who already possesses a lot of talent that we don't
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  S4: know about? What would what would you.
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  S1: What would you do? Super.
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  S5: You actually took mine.
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  S1: What was it?
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  S5: I would love to ice skate. I cannot I never
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  S5: have been able to ice skate since I was a kid.
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  S1: I gotta take you to a rink.
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  S5: I cannot ice skate for nothing. I can roller skate,
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  S5: but I cannot ice.
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  S1: Oh, if you can roller skate, you can ice skate.
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  S5: And to dance on ice with like with music. I
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  S5: love like the performances. I would love to do that.
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  S1: Yeah. I'm not wearing the outfits. Those guys where I'm
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  S1: going with Carhartts. Okay, okay. But but I want to
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  S1: be able to do that. And so super and I,
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  S1: we might need to find an ice rink somewhere else.
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  S4: Okay, I'm gonna paint a picture for mine.
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  S1: Oh, boy.
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  S4: Okay, so both of my kids play basketball. So I
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  S4: end up at a lot of games and you know,
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  S4: there's a timeout and everybody's just sitting there waiting for
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  S4: the game to resume. So I would love to be
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  S4: able in that time out, everybody's just kind of staring
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  S4: at their phone, looking around, chatting to go over casually
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  S4: pick up a basketball take off and jump up in
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  S4: the air, do a 360, take it through the legs
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  S4: and then slam it. Slam dunk the basketball. I've got
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  S4: the picture in my mind and then casually go sit
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  S4: back down in the stands as everybody goes. What in
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  S4: the world just happened? Did your mom just dunk?
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  S2: Is this like a Cinderella situation where you can only
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  S2: do it during timeouts specifically?
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  S4: Well, that would be for maximum impact. If people watching
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  S4: that is actually could happen.
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  S5: Jonathan.
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  S4: So not only do I want to be able to
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  S4: do it, I want to be able to have the
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  S4: opportunity to do it where everybody's watching and going, no
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  S4: way did that just happen. So I'm going slam dunk
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  S4: a basketball.
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  S1: Oh that's outstanding. Okay, okay. Speaking of what if we
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  S1: got some what ifs for you today. Philip Miller coming
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  S1: up here in just three minutes. Philip Miller's going to
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  S1: be joining us straight ahead. What if you could really
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  S1: sort out this one thing? Hang on.
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  S6: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
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  S6: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
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  S6: Moody Radio.
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  S1: So it's what if week and we've got a special guest.
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  S1: Matter of fact, Philip Miller, he's the pastor of the
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  S1: Moody Church. The Moody church right here in downtown Chicago.
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  S1: This guy's got a phenomenal thing we're going to jump
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  S1: into here. But first, Philip, you're going to be forced
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  S1: to answer the question we just answered. For Ali, it's
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  S1: a what if question. Ali, take it away.
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  S4: Okay. What if you could instantaneously have one skill or
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  S4: talent fully mastered that you do not currently have, i.e.
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  S4: play an instrument, speak a foreign language, or maybe something crazier?
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  S4: What would that be for you?
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  S7: Oh. Good grief. Well, you're surprising me here. I have
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  S7: to think about this. But I would say off the
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  S7: top of my head. Um. I would love to be
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  S7: able to be good at writing fiction. I, I really
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  S7: love J.R.R. Tolkien, I love Lewis. Those are some of
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  S7: my heroes and I love their fiction world. And I,
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  S7: I don't, I don't really have that skill. I'm, I'm
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  S7: more of a non-fiction kind of guy. And so, uh,
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  S7: but I love the creativity, you know, the, the imagination,
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  S7: the world building. I think, man, if I could figure
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  S7: out how to do some of that, that would be
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  S7: pretty cool.
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  S1: That's so great. Philip Miller, our guest right now, lead
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  S1: pastor of the Moody Church and just a great guy.
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  S1: I got to tell you, Philip, we just love having
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  S1: you on here, particularly around this issue of identity. Why
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  S1: don't you raise for us the problem and then we'll
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  S1: answer the what if God could really square away your
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  S1: identity in Christ Jesus? What's the problem we're overcoming?
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  S7: Yeah. Well, Okay, so here's the thing. In Christ, in
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  S7: the gospel, we have a new identity, right? Uh, Jesus has,
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  S7: in a sense, he's exchanged identities with us on the cross.
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  S7: He takes all of our sinful identity and in exchange,
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  S7: he extends to us his righteous identity. We are now
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  S7: in Christ, which means something massive has happened for each
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  S7: and every one of us. We we have a brand
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  S7: new identity in Christ, and there's resources there to help
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  S7: us be ourselves, become our true selves. But the problem
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  S7: is we've got this muscle memory from our life before Christ. Um,
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  S7: I call it orphan hearted living. It's that the way
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  S7: we learn to cope through life, uh, apart from God,
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  S7: you know, we wake up in this universe estranged from God,
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  S7: so we wake up as orphans. Um, and then we
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  S7: ratify that with our own sinful choices, our own rebellion. We,
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  S7: we continue to stiff arm God and keep him at
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  S7: a distance. And that means we've got to build an
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  S7: identity apart from God. And there's three big needs underneath
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  S7: our identity. We need to know that we're significant, secure,
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  S7: and satisfied. Those are the three big, big things. So
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  S7: we need to feel significant that we matter. We need
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  S7: to feel safe, like we belong. We need to feel
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  S7: satisfied and happy in life. And so what we do
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  S7: is we think, okay, I'll be whatever I need to be.
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  S7: I'll be whoever I need to be in order to
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  S7: get those deep soul needs met. And so what we
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  S7: do is we, we build a kind of orphan hearted
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  S7: pattern of living that's deep in our muscle memory. And
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  S7: then we have to unlearn that when we come to Christ,
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  S7: because we've been given a new identity by grace. And it, it,
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  S7: it plays by different rules. And so it's a totally
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  S7: different way of living that we're being called into as
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  S7: followers of Jesus. And that's the problem is we're not
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  S7: used to living out of that new identity.
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  S1: Yeah.
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  S4: Philip Miller, our guest this morning. You know, you mentioned
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  S4: those three that we are looking for when we're trying
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  S4: to figure out who we are, looking for satisfaction, looking
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  S4: for security, looking for significance. You think about the amount
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  S4: of people who our identity can be rooted in a job.
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  S4: Who are you? Well, I'm a doctor or I'm a teacher. We.
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  S4: We put it in the family roles. Oh, I'm a
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  S4: wife or I'm a mom, or I'm a this. And
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  S4: then our identity can feel totally stripped away when that
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  S4: status changes, right? Because we won't always be a teacher.
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  S4: We sometimes marriages have challenges and children have challenges. So
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  S4: we might not feel fulfilled in our role as a
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  S4: wife or a mom, or fill in the blank talk
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  S4: about some of the other ways that we try to
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  S4: tack on an identity in ways that are unhealthy.
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  S7: Yeah. So I think there's three primary avenues that we
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  S7: try to build identity to get those needs met. Okay,
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  S7: so we can look for security, significance and satisfaction, but
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  S7: we look for them in three primary ways apart from God.
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  S7: And that's we look to people, we look to power
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  S7: or we look to possessions. So I can look to
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  S7: people in order to validate who I am. You know,
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  S7: if I get enough affirmation and applause, then I'll know
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  S7: I'm worthwhile. Or if someone's happy with me, then I'll
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  S7: feel safe. Or if, if I just have the right
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  S7: person in my life, they'll they'll be the ones to
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  S7: make me happy. You know, and satisfied, right? So. Or
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  S7: I can run after power. You know, if I'm large
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  S7: and in charge. If I've got control in my life.
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  S7: If I've got a position of influence, then I'll get
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  S7: the respect I deserve. You know, I'll feel significant or
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  S7: I'll feel safe because no one can touch me. Or
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  S7: then I'll be happy because I can do whatever I want.
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  S7: You know, and I'll be satisfied. Or we can do
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  S7: it with possessions, right? We see this all the time
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  S7: in our materialistic culture. We we think, well, if I
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  S7: just drive the fancy car, have the corner office buy
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  S7: a bigger house and I can like, I can flaunt
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  S7: that status, I'll get the respect of people. Um, you know,
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  S7: then I'll be self secured, I'll have a nest egg
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  S7: and I'll be okay And then I can buy all
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  S7: the things that will make me happy in life and satisfied.
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  S7: So so we, we what we do though, those are
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  S7: functionally idols, aren't they? Uh, there are ways that I'm,
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  S7: we're looking for deep spiritual needs to be met apart
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  S7: from God, you and I, we were made for relationship
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  S7: with God, to find deep significance as his child, to
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  S7: be secure in his love, to be satisfied in his presence.
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  S7: And what we're doing is orphans, is we're running after
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  S7: all the wrong things we're looking for, for identity in
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  S7: all the wrong places. Those are idols that sin. It's
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  S7: rebellion against God at its most basic level, because we're saying,
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  S7: I can do this without you, God. And it always
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  S7: leads us to your point, Ali. It leads us vulnerable.
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  S7: It leaves us anxious because it'll never be enough. You know,
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  S7: those statuses can change. Um, things can ebb and flow
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  S7: and then we don't know who we are. And it
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  S7: leaves us really kind of scared underneath. We feel like
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  S7: orphans don't. Yeah.
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  S1: Yeah, we really do. Philip Miller we've got a resource
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  S1: that he has put together that is epic. And we're
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  S1: going to give you that link in just a minute.
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  S1: But you know, here's what I'm struck by. Number one,
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  S1: your resource is loaded with scriptural truth. We know that
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  S1: the truth can set us free. So before we go
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  S1: any further, because we want people to get this, I
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  S1: think their hearts are enlivened with it when they first
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  S1: see it. But how do you move from a status
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  S1: where you're guided by your emotions, your circumstances, your situation,
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  S1: the false security that you're hoping in, the false status?
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  S1: How do you retrain your mind? This is discipleship 101, right? Phillip,
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  S1: how do we retrain our minds to get aligned with
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  S1: where we're living out of our true identity?
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  S7: Uh, first of all, let's let's be really clear. We
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  S7: can't do that on our own. That's something only the
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  S7: Holy Spirit can do in terms of transformation in in
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  S7: our lives. Right? But the good news is the Holy
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  S7: Spirit is doing just that, right? In Romans eight, we're
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  S7: told that the Holy Spirit is bearing witness with our spirit,
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  S7: crying out, ABBA, father. And ABBA, of course, is the
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  S7: Aramaic word for daddy. It's like a little child's. The
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  S7: first one of the first words a kid learns his
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  S7: mama and Dada, right? And this is the Aramaic equivalent. Dada.
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  S7: Dada Dada. And, um. And so the Holy Spirit is
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  S7: teaching us to have childlike dependency, to have an identity
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  S7: that is simply rooted in the fact that we have
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  S7: a good Heavenly Father through Jesus Christ, who's adopted us
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  S7: as his beloved children, filled us with the Holy Spirit,
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  S7: who is reminding us who we really are. Now we've
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  S7: got this muscle memory at the same time from our past.
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  S7: Paul will call it the flesh, but it's all this
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  S7: false identity. We've learned to live in as orphans. And
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  S7: so what we have to continually do is start to
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  S7: shift the way we understand our identity from the old
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  S7: to the new. So here's how I do it in
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  S7: my life. So growing up, I learned early on, uh,
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  S7: the thing that I really wanted in life was to win,
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  S7: to be successful, to be distinguished. Right? So I wanted significance.
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  S7: That was my heart's cry. And what I did is
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  S7: I learned to look for that through people. So I
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  S7: looked for if people, you know, if I, if I
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  S7: got a good report card or if I scored a
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  S7: goal or if I distinguish myself in some sort of way,
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  S7: won an award or something as a kid. Um, I
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  S7: would get applause and I would get smiles and I'd
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  S7: get approval and my parents would clap and my teachers would,
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  S7: would grin and it felt good. Right? And so what I,
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  S7: what I learned habitually is to start to look to
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  S7: the people all around me for the significance my soul
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  S7: was craving. But then again, if you live for approval,
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  S7: you're going to die by rejection, right? And you're going
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  S7: to be constantly addicted to that approval. And so. So
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  S7: here's how the gospel works for me. I've got to say, okay,
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  S7: the desire for significance is not bad. That's a good thing.
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  S7: My identity actually needs to know that I matter, that
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  S7: I'm significant and worthwhile. But I've been looking to the
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  S7: wrong thing. And so what I need to do is
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  S7: redirect that soul appetite toward God and start to metabolize
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  S7: the resources in the gospel that remind me of who
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  S7: I am in Christ. So I need to remind myself,
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  S7: you know what? You are a beloved Son of God.
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  S7: And that means you're a, you're a, you're a prince,
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  S7: you're a son of the king, and he delights in you.
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  S7: And there's no higher status in earth than to to
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  S7: be a child of the King, and to know that
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  S7: I've got unfettered access to his presence, and that. That
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  S7: he dignifies and gives me value and worth, and so
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  S7: I can lose my job on earth. But I'm still
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  S7: a prince in the kingdom of God. Yeah. And I,
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  S7: I don't somebody can be upset with me and I
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  S7: can be rejected and abandoned and even hurt and betrayed.
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  S7: And all of that's going to it's going to stab
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  S7: at me, but it doesn't have to knock me all
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  S7: the way down because I know who I really am
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  S7: in Christ. So I've got to learn to preach the
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  S7: gospel to myself so that I remember what's true. And
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  S7: that's that I'm a child of God.
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  S1: What a practical way to use this tool.
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  S4: And as a child of God, we can know that
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  S4: we are satisfied, we are secure, we are significant. Those
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  S4: are more than just nice affirmations. That is right from
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  S4: the Word of God. We've got a resource that is
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  S4: into your heart. Just text the word identity to 800 555, 78,
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  S6: Take your next step with Jesus. Today you're listening to
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  S6: Carl and crew.
• 18:50
  S1: We're in a week called What If? And we're having
• 18:53
  S1: fun with this, and then we're getting caught content like
• 18:56
  S1: you just heard with Philip Miller. But Ali's got these crazy.
• 19:01
  S1: He use my dad's term cockamamie questions for us. All right?
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  S1: I don't even know what's coming our way. What if.
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  S1: What do you got, Ellen?
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  S8: What if you woke up.
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  S4: One morning and you were nine feet tall?
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  S1: What are we going anywhere with?
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  S2: What can I.
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  S1: Do? Oh, oh oh.
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  S8: What would you.
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  S1: Do? Okay.
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  S8: What would you do that.
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  S1: Well, my first thought was nine feet tall. I'm going
• 19:24
  S1: to the NBA. Even at even in my 60s, I
• 19:27
  S1: am going to the. That was my first thought. All right.
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  S1: First thought. You can't go a second thought.
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  S2: Young Thunder build a new house.
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  S1: You're right about that.
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  S2: Because I can't fit in my old one.
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  S1: There is a problem there. Uh, you look at your
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  S1: lineage to see if if you were the Nephilim.
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  S4: I would, um, I would accomplish all of the, like the,
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  S4: the small tasks in my home that require a ladder. Yes.
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  S4: I just knock all those out.
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  S1: So you mean to tell me there's new light bulbs?
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  S4: Like all the light bulbs are changed? Like the batteries
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  S4: and like the drapes. Those are changed. I'm taking all
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  S4: those out. Knocking those out while I'm nine feet tall. No.
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  S1: Okay. All right. Super Dave, you're nine feet tall. What if.
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  S5: Well, part of me wants to mess with people. If
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  S5: I'm that tall, I want to walk into a theater
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  S5: and just, like, kind of, like, move my way to
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  S5: the front seat.
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  S2: Buy a ticket in the front row.
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  S5: See what people do when I sit in the front seat.
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  S4: Because seated, you're still six feet tall.
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  S2: You're like, I bought a ticket just like you did. Okay.
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  S5: And just see reactions.
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  S1: My poor son, he's only six eight, but he has
• 20:36
  S1: to slump. so the people behind him can see. Oh
• 20:41
  S1: my goodness. Oh, having a little bit of fun with
• 20:43
  S1: the what if today. And speaking of what ifs, what
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  S1: if you can understand why? You know how much I
• 20:50
  S1: love y questions, right?
• 20:52
  S5: Yes, you.
• 20:52
  S1: Do, because you got you can't answer the what and
• 20:55
  S1: the how until you get the why. What if you
• 20:57
  S1: could understand why you do what you do? Boy, that's
• 21:04
  S1: coming up with Greg Dempster, one of our favorites here.
• 21:08
  S6: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
• 21:12
  S6: You're listening to Carl and Crew.
• 21:15
  S1: So we're gonna get into what ifs today with real
• 21:17
  S1: substantive content, but we got to have a little bit
• 21:20
  S1: of fun. I think it's fair that we ask our
• 21:22
  S1: guests the same question. Ali, take it away. We're hitting
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  S1: you cold here, Greg.
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  S4: Greg Dempster, our guest right now. What if you woke
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  S4: up tomorrow morning and you are nine feet tall? What
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  S4: would you do?
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  S1: Bring his. bring his wife back to life because she'd
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  S1: be passed out going, what in the world is this guy?
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  S9: I think it'd be. I think it'd be hilarious to
• 21:44
  S9: put on a crazy costume and walk around and cause
• 21:49
  S9: chaos in my neighborhood.
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  S1: You hear that.
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  S4: Laugh, evil laugh.
• 21:55
  S1: That is Greg all the way. That is Greg. He
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  S1: would he would do this, by the way. Greg's unafraid
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  S1: to do something like that. That's wild. Oh, Greg. Nine,
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  S1: nine foot tall. Greg. I couldn't handle that.
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  S9: I was thinking the same about you.
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  S1: Oh. Oh, I got places I want to go in
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  S1: my head that the Lord's telling me. Don't do it, Karl.
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  S4: That's the.
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  S9: Spirit.
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  S1: Of the Lord. That's the Spirit of God are with
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  S1: us right now. Greg Dempster, let's get a proper I.D.
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  S1: on this guy.
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  S4: He's the founder and director of Christ Life Ministries. The
• 22:28
  S4: Christ Life Ministries has been used to transform Christian leaders
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  S4: from so many backgrounds. They exist to remove the chasm
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  S4: that often exists between what someone believes to be true
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  S4: about God and what they experience daily.
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  S1: Yeah. So here's the what if today. Greg. What if
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  S1: the person listening could understand why they do what they do?
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  S1: What a great question, huh?
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  S9: You know, it's it's powerful. It's really the question that
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  S9: we all need to ask. What drives what is fueling
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  S9: the chasm between what I believe to be true about
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  S9: God and what I'm experiencing daily? I would say I
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  S9: would go with Augustine on this one. I mean, that's
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  S9: a safe choice, right? Augustine would say that the primary
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  S9: reason behind our twistedness is depravation, that God has hardwired
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  S9: us as the image bearers, to draw in life, to
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  S9: drink in life, to suck in life from the Almighty.
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  S9: And when we fill ourselves with other things, we just
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  S9: grow more and more thirsty and lost.
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  S4: Greg Dempster, our guest this morning. You know, when you
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  S4: think about this, why question. What if I could understand
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  S4: why I do what I do? You know, I think
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  S4: about my son. I remember a couple of years ago,
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  S4: he's 13 now. He was probably 8 or 9. And
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  S4: he had done something so unexpected. We we had driven somewhere.
• 23:48
  S4: He was in the car and like a drink had
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  S4: spilled inside of the door and he like, licked the
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  S4: door to get some of the drink off the door.
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  S4: And we looked at him and he said, we said, why? Like,
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  S4: why would you? You know how dirty that is. It's filthy.
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  S4: Why did you lick the inside of the door? And
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  S4: I'm looking at him like puzzled and he's like, I
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  S4: don't know, I just I just did it. And you know,
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  S4: when we think about our motivations, maybe we don't ask
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  S4: ourselves that question, but I think if we did, it
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  S4: would be, I don't know, I just, I.
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  S1: Just you're right about.
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  S4: That. Did it like, I don't know why I do
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  S4: what I do. Is that a common experience?
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  S9: Totally. It's common for each one of us. Paul lays
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  S9: it out and helps us understand what's behind the decisions
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  S9: that we make, why we do what we do. In
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  S9: Romans 12 two. He says, hey, if you're going to
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  S9: experience metamorphosis, it needs to happen through renewal of noose,
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  S9: which is the Greek word for mind, which represents how
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  S9: we perceive, how we interpret how we understand life. The
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  S9: question that we've got to ask is, how was my
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  S9: mind formed? What are the governing ideas that I learned
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  S9: over time that drive my life in the direction that
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  S9: it's going?
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  S1: Yeah. And it's, you know, Greg, it's interesting because you've really, you're,
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  S1: you're working with high octane leaders. You're working with, uh,
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  S1: people on the street you're working with and you are
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  S1: literally working with people on the streets around where you live.
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  S1: I've heard about that recently. You've got great ministry going on.
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  S1: Some might say, why do I have to go back?
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  S1: Why do I have to go back to when I
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  S1: was a kid? Uh, the things that shape me. Why
• 25:33
  S1: do they. Greg?
• 25:34
  S9: Because unresolved issues don't resolve themselves. They just continue to
• 25:38
  S9: swirl around like a doom loop inside you. And many
• 25:43
  S9: of you who are listening are just saying, yes, that's me.
• 25:46
  S9: I haven't been able to figure out what to do
• 25:48
  S9: about it, but I have that problem. And the step
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  S9: forward is to make your way to Jesus and begin
• 25:56
  S9: a process of looking more deeply at the way, especially
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  S9: birth to 13. I mean, the era where we're least
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  S9: able to make sense of life is often where distorted
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  S9: governing ideas begin to take root. And if you were
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  S9: to do nothing other than look at what triggers you
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  S9: today and try to chase it down to a governing idea,
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  S9: maybe it's that your value is dependent on your performance.
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  S9: Maybe that that you're only okay if other people are
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  S9: okay with you. Maybe. Maybe it's all about approval. Whatever
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  S9: it is, those are probably long standing perspectives that God
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  S9: wants to move into and bring change to.
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  S1: You know what? I got evidence of this. This is
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  S1: wild that you say this because I was talking with
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  S1: a dear friend yesterday and he told me, he said,
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  S1: I'm embarrassed to say this, but he said, I am
• 26:44
  S1: deathly afraid of needles. I have to almost get knocked
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  S1: out before I they, they take a blood sample. And
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  S1: I said, what's going on? He took me back. Greg,
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  S1: you guys, this is going to blow your mind. He
• 26:56
  S1: said his parents had dropped him off at a doctor's office,
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  S1: and he and his brother were in there, and he
• 27:01
  S1: didn't know they were going to get shots, but they
• 27:04
  S1: were booster shots. And the older brother got the shot,
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  S1: passed out, cracked his head, and he was like five
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  S1: when he saw his brother pass out. So he thought
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  S1: his brother had died. He ran and hid in his
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  S1: grandma's garage for like 12 hours. Parents couldn't find him anywhere. Greg,
• 27:25
  S1: that one incident carries with this man into his is
• 27:28
  S1: 60 today. We can't say that those things that happened
• 27:32
  S1: don't affect us. That's evidence right there, isn't it?
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  S9: Well, it's just basic brain function. God has given us
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  S9: brains that learn, adjust and simplify so we don't have
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  S9: to relearn where our office is. What car in the
• 27:47
  S9: parking lot is ours, what our wives or husbands names are.
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  S9: We just learn and we're able to use that information
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  S9: to move forward. Here's the problem it's not just wounding episodes,
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  S9: like getting too much of what we didn't need or
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  S9: not enough of what we did need. It's also good
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  S9: experiences that left unprocessed. I work with a guy who's
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  S9: an ex NFL player, and when the game is on
• 28:10
  S9: the line, the ball needed to be in his hands
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  S9: and he. He still has the passing records in his
• 28:15
  S9: D1 college. The reality, though, is that any distorted governing idea,
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  S9: whether it springs from good or from something that's wounding
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  S9: and trauma filled, can lead to a dead end, can
• 28:29
  S9: lead to a self-empowered life, really a graceless life. And
• 28:35
  S9: God allows us to feel disruptive emotion the way that
• 28:38
  S9: we do, to turn us to him. It's a kindness
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  S9: in many different ways. He's helping us understand that we're
• 28:45
  S9: carrying things that are too heavy for us to carry
• 28:47
  S9: on our own.
• 28:48
  S4: Greg Dempster, our guest right now from Christ Life Ministries.
• 28:51
  S4: Coming up, let's talk about how we move past just
• 28:54
  S4: the identifying what if you go, okay, I know exactly
• 28:57
  S4: why I do what I do, but we don't want
• 28:59
  S4: to use that certainly as an excuse to stay there
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  S4: or to excuse sinful behavior. So how do we take
• 29:05
  S4: that information, apply the Word of God and walk forward
• 29:09
  S4: in victory? More with Greg Dempster coming up.
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  S6: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
• 29:15
  S5: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
• 29:18
  S5: to stay in your past, and I want you to
• 29:20
  S5: know and believe that today.
• 29:22
  S6: You're listening to Carl and Crew.
• 29:24
  S4: So why do you do what you do? You know,
• 29:26
  S4: my husband played basketball for a lot of years, and
• 29:29
  S4: I remember he had a teammate who was a serial cheater.
• 29:32
  S4: He could not be faithful to his wife. And he said,
• 29:35
  S4: my dad was like this. I'm exactly like my dad.
• 29:38
  S4: This is all I know. It was great that he
• 29:40
  S4: identified Greg Dempster, our guest right now. A pattern of
• 29:43
  S4: behavior that clearly had a root in what he had
• 29:46
  S4: seen modeled growing up. The problem was he didn't seem
• 29:49
  S4: particularly motivated to change that behavior. He was simply okay
• 29:53
  S4: with the fact that I am who I am because
• 29:55
  S4: of how my dad was. How do we not use
• 29:57
  S4: that as an excuse, but as.
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  S1: Justification.
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  S4: Or justification, but allow it to propel us to not
• 30:04
  S4: be better because that's never what we're about, but to
• 30:06
  S4: be rooted in Christ where real change can happen.
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  S9: You know, I think it boils down to the fact
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  S9: that truth truly does set us free. And for some folks,
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  S9: all they know is the excuse. They were raised in
• 30:19
  S9: a family that was making excuses. They've made excuses for
• 30:23
  S9: their own lives. But hear me say this. But I've
• 30:26
  S9: just got passion in my heart for everyone who's listening.
• 30:29
  S9: You can break that cycle in your generation. You do
• 30:34
  S9: not need to pass this brokenness on to your kids.
• 30:37
  S9: This is not a pre-written storyline for you of brokenness
• 30:42
  S9: that you can approach the throne of, I will do
• 30:45
  S9: it for you, the throne of grace, and you can
• 30:47
  S9: encounter a living God who is more than willing to
• 30:51
  S9: break every chain that's in your life, everything that's holding
• 30:55
  S9: you to your father's or your mother's or your grandparents
• 30:59
  S9: past mistakes, or maybe new mistakes that have started in you.
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  S9: He wants to break that and set you free.
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  S1: You know, I look back at homes and having been
• 31:08
  S1: a pastor now for a lot of years, one of
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  S1: the prevailing are family of origin issues that shapes our
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  S1: identity and why we do what we do and gives
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  S1: us these distortions is there's a general sense, especially probably
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  S1: as a result of the American dream where you got
• 31:26
  S1: to prove yourself to someone. You've got to prove yourself,
• 31:32
  S1: and you get on that treadmill and you realize right away, shoot,
• 31:36
  S1: I'm on this hamster. There's no end to this stupid thing,
• 31:41
  S1: and I can't get off it. How do you get
• 31:43
  S1: off of this proving. Let's just use that as a sample.
• 31:47
  S1: I've been trying to prove myself since I was a kid.
• 31:51
  S1: I've been trying to prove myself forever. And then it
• 31:55
  S1: breaks down. When you get married, you realize I can't
• 31:58
  S1: do it and it's staring me in the face. Right, guys?
• 32:01
  S9: Here's the deal. We use something. A tool that we
• 32:03
  S9: call the framework for healing. And and it's a real
• 32:07
  S9: simple four step grid of interpretation. It helps us understand
• 32:12
  S9: what happened in the past and how it's affecting me
• 32:14
  S9: in the here and now. I'm going to give you
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  S9: those four components. They're on our website. I'm sure that
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  S9: you're going to share a link to people. We're offering
• 32:20
  S9: all of this free of charge, but here are the
• 32:22
  S9: four components of the framework for healing that that when
• 32:24
  S9: I have misinterpreted or uninterpreted life experiences, both good and bad,
• 32:29
  S9: they will lead to distortions. I'll have a distortion that
• 32:34
  S9: drives my life. One of those is just what you mentioned,
• 32:37
  S9: that I've got to perform in order to be valued,
• 32:40
  S9: or my values dependent on how I'm perceived, or my
• 32:44
  S9: value is dependent on approval. Those are all examples of distortions,
• 32:47
  S9: and there's millions of them. So unprocessed or misprocessed uninterpreted
• 32:51
  S9: misinterpreted life experiences lead to distortions. Distortions bear fruit. And
• 32:56
  S9: that's disruptive emotion. Disruptive emotion perpetuates dysfunctional lifestyle choices. Those
• 33:03
  S9: are the four categories misinterpreted Uninterpreted life experiences lead to distortions,
• 33:07
  S9: disruptive emotion, and dysfunctional lifestyle choices. Why is that important?
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  S9: Because it greatly simplifies your path to freedom. Instead of
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  S9: having to go through all of the mess of your life,
• 33:21
  S9: you can ask God to help you narrow down your
• 33:24
  S9: experience to core distortions that are bearing fruit and leading
• 33:28
  S9: to dysfunctional behavior. And then all of a sudden, bam,
• 33:32
  S9: you're in the power band or the pocket to pray
• 33:36
  S9: and invite God to meet with you, to counsel you,
• 33:39
  S9: and to change your perspective.
• 33:41
  S4: Greg, give us an example. I know in your ministry,
• 33:44
  S4: Christ's Life Ministries, you work with a lot of leaders
• 33:47
  S4: who are experiencing this big gap between what they truly
• 33:50
  S4: believe to be true about God and what they actually
• 33:53
  S4: see in their daily lives. Give us a story. No
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  S4: names obviously, but where you've seen this play out.
• 33:59
  S9: It was just last Friday. I had a guy that
• 34:02
  S9: traveled across the Midwest to do a five hour session,
• 34:06
  S9: and he was just worn out. His ministry was thriving,
• 34:11
  S9: no exaggeration. He started the conversation with me on 1 p.m.
• 34:16
  S9: last Friday by saying, gosh, by all standards, my ministry
• 34:20
  S9: is exploding. The children's ministry alone in one year has
• 34:25
  S9: grown 88%. And this isn't like a church of 10
• 34:28
  S9: or 50. This is a a good sized, healthy church.
• 34:33
  S9: But he said, no matter how hard I try, I
• 34:38
  S9: just feel like it's not going to be good enough.
• 34:41
  S9: And so this guy, as we talked through what he
• 34:45
  S9: must do in order to continue to be successful, the
• 34:49
  S9: weight that was resting on his shoulders, it started making
• 34:53
  S9: me feel weighed down. I mean, the reality was that
• 34:55
  S9: he was carrying it all on himself. And it wasn't
• 34:59
  S9: until we begin to understand that that wasn't just a
• 35:02
  S9: symptom or a reality of his adult life, but it
• 35:06
  S9: was something that was set in motion early on in
• 35:09
  S9: his childhood. And then in a moment, this was just
• 35:13
  S9: a a God filled moment where he was able to
• 35:15
  S9: just kind of look from his birth to 13 all
• 35:19
  S9: the way through his teenage years and his young adult
• 35:21
  S9: years and slowly see see that distortion slowly develop and
• 35:27
  S9: become more and more robust until he was in the
• 35:30
  S9: position that that he's in now. He's just beginning the
• 35:33
  S9: process of becoming aware. And awareness of the causal nature
• 35:39
  S9: of our history must lead to the John 1613 counseling
• 35:43
  S9: work of the Holy Spirit. We need to encounter God
• 35:46
  S9: and allow God to be our healer, or else all
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  S9: we're doing is discovering more to be discouraged about about ourselves.
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  S1: Yeah, this is beautiful, man. I mean, this is freedom.
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  S9: Carl. It's Grace. You know Grace, you know this as
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  S9: well as I do because you've I've heard you preach
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  S9: this numerous times, but Grace is not opposed to action
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  S9: or effort as opposed to earning. And that just is
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  S9: so helpful because we find ourselves. I find myself at
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  S9: times grace less like I'm driving. I'm just driving through
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  S9: life on empty. And God in his kindness, draws us back.
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  S9: And this renewal conversation, I'm telling you right now, this
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  S1: It's called What If week. And Ali, I'm teeing it
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  S1: up for you, sister. What do you got for us?
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  S4: Yeah, this one's going to require a little bit of
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  S4: creativity and some thought. You mentioned you went to the
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  S4: movies and had a good time and were really impacted
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  S4: by a movie. You just saw a great awakening. So
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  S4: I'm asking you team, but also you listening. If your
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  S4: life was made into a movie, your life story was
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  S4: made into a movie. I want you to come up
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  S4: with the movie title. Bonus points if you want to
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  S4: have a theme song, but for sure movie title. Think
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  S4: about the. Think about your transformation story, your testimony, some
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  S4: of the unique aspects of who you are. Think about
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  S4: all that playing out on a big screen. The trials,
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  S4: the triumphs. What would that movie title be? And bonus
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  S4: points if you want to put a theme song to it.
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  S4: I'd love to hear that as well. You want texts? Maybe.
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  S4: Maybe a couple phone calls on this one.
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  S1: Yeah. Let's do it all.
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  S1: The first things that are coming to mind, man. Okay.
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  S1: All right, we'll play along. We're going to go for it.
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  S1: It's what if? And we're wondering, what if your life
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  S1: was made into a movie, what would be the title
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  S1: in bonus points for a theme song I.
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  S4: Like, I there's a lot of I'm excited to hear
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  S4: the answers because there's a lot of creativity that you
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  S4: can put into this if you really reflect on your testimony.
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  S2: Well, we're doing classic. I mean, we're talking about movies,
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  S2: so I figured classic movie theme. But I also thought
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  S2: this would be a good theme for Carl. It's a
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  S2: Indiana Jones, one of your most famous adventurers.
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  S10: That's good.
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  S2: And I feel like this would be a good theme
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  S2: song for Carl because his whole life.
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  S1: Probably not bad.
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  S2: Adventure for Carl.
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  S1: Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's that's
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  S1: that's good.
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  S2: Carl's like my reference, my real life reference for Indiana Jones.
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  S1: So what's, uh, what's the, uh, what's the theme for
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  S1: death wish?
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  S2: For death wish.
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  S10: Oh.
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  S5: Charles Bronson, right.
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  S4: Is that a movie?
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  S5: Oh, it was a whole movie series. Yeah.
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  S2: I did not know that was a real movie.
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  S1: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Death wish.
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  S5: I don't know, Charles Bronson was the guy for a while.
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  S1: It's a play on words. So that's mine. Mine is
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  S1: death wish.
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  S4: Really?
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  S1: Yeah. Explain it. Well, I mean, it's got a double
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  S1: entendre there I was on a highway to hell, man.
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  S1: For sure. And not wanting to. At one point, I'm like,
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  S1: just in this thing. Uh. But then born again and
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  S1: found out that when you die to self, there really
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  S1: is life. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing.
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  S4: It's awesome. Do you have a song that you put
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  S4: to it?
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  S1: I don't know, I don't know if the Death Wish
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  S1: theme is even recognizable. I don't know if there is one.
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  S5: That's a good point.
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  S1: Yeah, I don't even know.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S1: Mine's a little morose there.
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  S4: Yeah.
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  S1: Let's let's. Ali, you got to tee us up. Sister. Here.
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  S1: Your first stop. Okay. If your life was made into
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  S1: a movie, what's the title and what's the theme music for?
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  S1: Bonus points.
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  S4: So I think I'm titling mine Grace discovered. Um, and
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  S4: you know, amazing Grace would be a good song choice. Um,
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  S4: or maybe it is well, with my soul. Um, so
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  S4: those are I'm over here making notes because I asked
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  S4: the question, not having an answer myself. I just thought
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  S4: it was an interesting question.
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  S1: So I'm a good question.
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  S4: As Carl likes to say, I'm cogitating on this one
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  S4: just like you are. So, uh, but I'm curious to
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  S4: hear what else we have.
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  S1: Yeah. That's great. Dave and Wheeling, what would what would
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  S1: it be? My man.
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  S11: Late bloomer would be the title late bloomer.
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  S4: Bloomer. Okay. Do you have a song?
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  S11: I have a music. Yeah. Take the long way home.
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  S4: Take the long way home.
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  S1: The long way home. That's a great title for that,
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  S1: for sure.
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  S4: I kind of like that for a movie.
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  S2: It sounds like a good movie.
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  S1: Make his life into a movie. Hey, Dave, what's the
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  S1: fresh thing God's doing in your life lately?
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  S11: Um, he just keeps showing me over and over again.
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  S11: His provision is just amazing. He just went through a
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  S11: rough patch, and mathematically, it shouldn't have worked. But we're
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  S11: not just paying our bills, but we're staying ahead of everything.
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  S11: And that's God. He does his weird math with these things.
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  S1: Yeah he.
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  S11: Does. Here he goes again.
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  S1: Yeah! Way to go, bro. Appreciate you. Thanks for calling in. Uh, Ryan. Crestwood, Illinois. Uh,
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  S1: what if your life was a movie? What's the title
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  S1: and what's the theme song for? Bonus points.
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  S12: I think we would name it The Lord's Circus. And, uh,
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  S12: you know the song. You know. You know the song
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  S12: they play when somebody's on the trapeze.
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  S1: Oh, yeah.
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  S13: Yeah. Yes, yes. Yeah.
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  S12: Oh, yeah. That's my wife and myself got married and
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  S12: we had, uh, we had three kids between the two
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  S12: of us and we weren't getting pregnant. So we've taken
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  S12: in 15 foster kids to date, and, uh, number 15
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  S12: stayed with us and we finalized his adoption six months ago.
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  S12: But it has been a circus.
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  S1: Dude, you are on a ride there. You are on
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  S1: a ride, Ryan. Oh my goodness. You know what your
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  S1: home needs. Your home. Your home needs a call and
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  S1: crew prize pack, bro. That's what.
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  S2: It does.
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  S1: Good. Every circus. Yeah. You need a call and crew
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  S1: prize pack. Stay on the horn. Mean, if you're in
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  S1: the Lord's circus. Yeah. You need a prize.
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  S2: Pack, a good title.
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  S1: That's a great title.
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  S4: I love that. Got some texts coming in and I
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  S4: love that there's a lot of creativity happening here. The
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  S4: pilgrimage of a Sojourner. I love that one that came
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  S4: from a listener in Georgia. How about this one as
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  S4: a as a movie title where thorns once grew?
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  S1: That's good.
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  S4: This one came with a picture and a little bit
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  S4: of a backstory. The movie title from 10,000 beers to
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  S4: 10,000 miles, the theme song redeemed by Big Daddy Weave.
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  S4: And then they add this last year I was an alcoholic.
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  S4: I figured out I drank over 10,000 beers. And that
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  S4: last year and my first year that I was sober
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  S4: after God gave me a bicycle as a tool, I
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  S4: rode 10,000 miles in my first year. So literally from
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  S4: 10,000 beers to 10,000 miles. Now that's redemption. God is
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  S4: good all the time.
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  S2: That's so cool.
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  S4: Are you kidding? And then there's a cool picture, uh,
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  S4: as well, I love that. So the song Redeemed by
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  S4: Big Daddy Weave.
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  S1: Well, he just shut down the whole show. Here, let.
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  S4: Me give you a couple more. A movie title, beauty
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  S4: for ashes. Love that one song. Uh, this gave the
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  S4: song choice, where would I Be and Tomorrow Changes Everything
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  S4: as the movie title, The Long Road Home for a
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  S4: movie title and the theme song to Smokey and the bandit. What? Okay.
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  S1: You gotta love that movie title.
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  S4: Found just one word. Just found song. Amazing grace.
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  S1: Yeah. Good stuff, good stuff.
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  S4: Oh, a couple more. Losing my religion. How do you
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  S4: like that as a movie title?
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  S1: Okay. Yeah, it's got some.
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  S4: Layers to it.
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  S1: Oh, losing my religion. That is great anymore.
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  S4: Um. Movie name sabotaged life. Okay, that's got a that's
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  S4: one of those ones like yours, Carl, where you got
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  S4: to watch the movie to see the redemptive thread in there? Yeah. Yeah.
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  S4: Another text landing in the life of Jesus.
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  S1: Love it. This is good stuff, guys. Yeah, it's it's
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  S1: interesting because as crazy as this, what if question is,
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  S1: it's good. It's good for us to stop and look
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  S1: at what God's done with us and what he's doing
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  S1: with us. You know, it just struck me. Somebody showed
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  S1: up here this morning. And you want God to rewrite
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  S1: the script of your life, and you don't even know
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  S1: why you're here, or you've been here and you've bottomed out.
• 47:05
  S1: I want to be very clear with you about where
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  S1: life is found. You know, the promise of abundant life
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  S1: is one of the greatest promises that we find in
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  S1: the Gospel of John, chapter ten, verse ten. He came
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  S1: that we might have life and have it more abundantly.
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  S1: And then the question for you is, how do I
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  S1: take hold of that? It's, it's simply this. The good
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  S1: news is that although we were born with our backs
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  S1: to God and on a broad path that leads to destruction,
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  S1: when we come to the end of ourself, life begins.
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  S1: Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the
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  S1: kingdom of heaven. And I just want to ask you now.
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  S1: Have you come to the end of yourself? There's no
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  S1: more that you can find. There's no more that you
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  S1: can do. It was always the case. But today you're
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  S1: realizing it like never before. You're in a great place,
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  S1: my friend. Blessed are the poor in spirit. And here's
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  S1: the call on our life to declare that Jesus Christ
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  S1: is Lord, that he is my highest authority. You see,
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  S1: when we're born on this broad path, we are our
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  S1: highest authority. No matter how shy or insecure we may feel,
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  S1: we are still. Striving in our own strength to make
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  S1: sense of our life and to find life that seems
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  S1: so elusive. But if today, friend, you are at the
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  S1: end of yourself. I want to welcome you into the
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  S1: arms of God and tell you how you get there.
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  S1: If you repent of your sin, not regret, but repentance,
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  S1: that means turning around, changing your mind, changing your life,
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  S1: and turning it all over to Jesus and confess with
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  S1: your mouth, Jesus is Lord. He's my ultimate authority. And
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  S1: you say to Jesus, I believe in my heart that
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  S1: you were raised from the dead, that you died for me,
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  S1: that you paid the price that I could not pay.
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  S1: That I'm sinful and I need a Savior. And I
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  S1: just want to ask you quickly, is that you? Is
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  S1: that you? You came here today not to say. Oh, yeah,
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  S1: I believe in Jesus. But to say I surrender my
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  S1: all to Jesus today. Every bit of me. All that
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  S1: I am. And today I'm repenting. I'm turning around. And
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  S1: you might even in this moment feel like I have nothing. Well,
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  S1: welcome to the family of God because that's how we
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  S1: embrace the kingdom. If that's you today, I'm going to
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  S1: pray for you in just a moment. But I want
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  S1: help you with the resource today. You might say, man,
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  S1: I'm wanting God to rewrite the script of my life.
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  S1: I want there to be a new title. I'm ready
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  S1: to be born again. So let me just ask you,
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  S1: are you repenting? Are you letting go of everything on
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  S1: that broad path? Turning to Jesus with all that you
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  S1: are today? Are you willing to acknowledge that you're a
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  S1: sinner who needs a Savior, and you're no longer making excuses, deflecting,
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  S1: or somehow diminishing the sin in your life, but today
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  S1: you're ready to surrender it all to Jesus. Is that you?
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  S1: I just want to ask you that. Is that you?
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  S1: Great father, in the name of Jesus, I thank you
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  S1: that by the power of your Holy Spirit, you reach
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  S1: in and catch people when we are at our worst.
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  S1: So you can show us your best. And I praise
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  S1: you that there are some today surrendering all they are
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  S1: to Jesus Christ, the Lord of Lords, the King of kings,
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  S1: and now the Lord of their life. Father, I pray
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  S1: that you would protect them from evil that wants to
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  S1: discourage them or whisper in their ear, this won't work. Lord,
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  S1: we thank you that you do the work. We have
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  S1: nothing to bring to the table today but dependence on you.
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  S1: And I praise you for these that are born again today,
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  S1: brand new in Jesus Christ. In Jesus name, Amen.
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  S4: Amen.
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  S1: I want to welcome you to the family, and we've
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