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Ep. 16 | Fellowship Of The Fringe | Thanksgiving Special | Sasquatch & Sourdough Podcast · Sasquatch & Sourdough

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Stasquatch and Sour Hill, the podcast where we embark on a journey into the depths of the unknown.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: Weaving together threads of ancient scripture.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: Whether you're a secret.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_06: I am your host, Christina, and tonight is a very special night.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_06: It is ladies' night.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_06: I can't even say it without laughing.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_06: We've been trying to roll for about a half an hour here, and uh we made it work.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so this is different content than we usually put out on the pod.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I've been felt like God has really just put it on my heart to have some fellowship with some really cool people in the fringe space.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_06: So I've got some guests tonight.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I've got author, poet, amazing woman of God, Vicki Joy Anderson.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_06: Hi, Vicki Joy.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_06: Hello.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_06: I have um the amazing photographer and experiencer Alex Shea.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_06: Hey guys.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_06: And then I have one not lady from from the Cryptid Warfare podcast.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_06: Uh Drewski is joining us tonight.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a man.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_04: I guess.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_06: You are because you just went into the woods with a bunch of other guys.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_06: And actually, also uh Jessica, I want to I want to like get in touch with her because she's got some cool stuff going on.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_06: But you guys just were rolling around in the woods with a whole bunch of guns.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_06: So yes, very, very manly indeed.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so I wanted to take some time.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_06: Usually, like what we do on the podcast is we have, you know, it's a little bit lighter, we tell some stories, but then we also kind of talk about like food, uh, basic premises.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_06: You know, it's weird out there, but we still have to eat.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and we have to, you know, come to come to the table and and talk about weird stuff.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_06: But um, so I wanted to do like a little bit of a a quick uh kind of round table, just rapid fire questions for Thanksgiving.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_06: Because it's this is actually gonna come out as like our Thanksgiving episode.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_06: So it'll be out next week.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_06: Uh so it's a perfect time to get together and just talk about weird stuff and food.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_06: So, really quick, I'm gonna ask uh go around and ask uh Vicky Joy cranberry sauce, fresh or from the can.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_06: Can I say neither?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, this is a safe, this is a safe space.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_06: Disgusting.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: Not my thing.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, not my jam, fun and do.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, look at that.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_06: You're a poet and don't know it.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_05: All right, Alex.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_05: I'd say fresh.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_05: Fresh.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, my grandma used to make that, so that's where it comes from.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_06: Nice, like on the stove, like cinnamon cinnamon, uh, like a simmer pot.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, delicious.
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  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_06: All right, so one fresh.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_06: All right, Drew.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_03: I have to go with the can in the fridge, man.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, the yes, it's almost like jello.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_03: Come on now.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like it like bread with the can rings still around it.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_06: And it just like poor, it just pours out in that chunk, like on almost like spam.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_06: Let me present you with this.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_06: Here you are, family.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_06: That was my uh that was my pot.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm gonna go with I I I will have whatever is offered because I love cranberry sauce.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_06: So I enjoy making it from scratch because it does kind of smell like a simmer pot.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_06: Like you just put a whole bunch of cranberries and oranges and all that stuff and just let it go, and then it makes your house smell amazing.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_06: Um okay, so one more, uh, just because we're we're running, we've already like we're it's it's far away from the time we were supposed to score because of our tech issues.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_06: Um, okay, so Vicky Joy, ham or turkey?
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_06: Turkey.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_06: Do you shoot one yourself?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, already dead.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_06: All right, Alex, ham or turkey.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_06: I'm the same.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_06: I'm turkey, for sure.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_06: Turkey.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm frying it, girl.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, you fry it?
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, really?
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_03: That's my that's my duty with the family.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm the fryer guy, the turkey fryer guy.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_06: Do you so are you like so?
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_06: I have a um I have a couple family members that will do that in their garage.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm always like, you're gonna we're gonna get blown up.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I always do it outside.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_03: I never do it in the freaking garage.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's just me though.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's just me.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm afraid of that.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_06: Deep fried turkey.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_06: So American.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm turkey too.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_06: I love turkey.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_06: All right, four for four.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_06: Excellent.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_06: Well, happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_06: All right, so I wanted to, I had everybody kind of do like a little bit of a homework assignment.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_06: I think um I can I'll I'll start us off with what God's really put on my heart.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_06: It kind of started when I was on Drew's show.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I was talking about I started doing these like prayer walks in a certain area um that's kind of next to a graveyard.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_06: It's a a forest in my neighborhood that is like well known for just all kinds of different activities.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_06: So I've just been kind of reclaiming that space, uh hiking and and just being super prayerful.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_06: And one scripture that God has put on my heart with that is actually, let me get my Bible.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so it's Joshua uh one, three.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_06: So every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon, I have given to you just as I have promised to Moses.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_06: And this is like a cool part.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not like in any way a like biblical scholar, but this is such a cool part, um, like in the book because Joshua is just about to go and like be in some serious battle.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_06: And so I love that.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I actually saw a video of a lady that recommended like writing that scripture on your feet, because then you can kind of just remember that like you have the authority everywhere you go.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_03: I like that.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and for me, it's been like just changing the atmosphere.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um, you know, everywhere we walk, every space, and especially in it's funny that you, Vicky Joy, were talking about the digital space because that's been kind of on my heart too.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_06: I think as AI is getting so much smarter, you know, I think it's just gonna be crazier and crazier on the on the interwebs.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_06: So I don't know.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know if you guys are seeing anything like that, but I definitely I noticed that like the algorithm is totally paying more attention to the little nuances of things that I'm looking at or talking about for sure.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_06: Cool.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_06: Anyone else um have Alex?
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, you have some news that you should definitely share.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_06: My baptism.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, yeah, that was awesome.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I think I shared with you, I'm not sure if me and Drew really talked about it much, but all the stuff that I had been capturing with like the winged creatures and stuff like that really um just helped me become closer with God.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_05: Because at first I was kind of, I won't say terrified, but I had no idea why I was seeing all these things or capturing them with my phone.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_05: And it just really helped me dive into scripture and just realize that God gave me these abilities for a reason and that I should really like dive into that more.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_05: And um, it's actually been really life-changing.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_05: And when I told the ordained minister's wife, you know, why I was wanting to learn more about God and and be at church more, um, you know, then they asked me to do a baptism video.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_05: And it was kind of funny because the lady who was recording it, she didn't know me or anything.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_05: And the lady's like, Well, do you want to share, you know, what really inspired you?
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, I don't really feel comfortable talking about moving creatures with this lady.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_05: And uh, but it was funny because she's like, you don't have to share that part.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_05: That's okay.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_05: She's like, that's between me and you, don't worry.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah, that was uh really that was life changing.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_05: And it's it's funny because there's a lot of people in my life that think, oh, you know, you got baptized, your life you you think you're perfect now, or that you know, you don't have any problems, and it's actually the complete opposite.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_05: And I definitely don't think I would be in such a good mental space if I hadn't leaned on God after all of this, you know, and like even the day of my baptism was probably one of the most like struggles mentally.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_05: And the, you know, Matt's wife was like, you know, are you doing okay?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_05: I'm sure the enemy's really upset with you right now.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, just breathe and we'll get through this.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, just just that she was just so happy, you know.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_05: We prayed before and it was it was great.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_05: It was really life-changing, honestly.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_06: That's so awesome.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_06: That is so cool.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_06: How did you feel when you like came?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_06: Did you feel like an instant like I'm not everybody has tip experience, so like did you have like an instant relief or was it just like overwhelming?
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_05: I will say right before I got baptized, like we prayed and stuff, but then uh my son's father, he's at a federal penitentiary, and uh I had found out some really bad stuff that he has been dealing with for like the last four years.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_05: And in my heart, I was like, okay, I'm doing I'm doing the right thing for like for my family, for my son's father, because like he's in a place where it's really hard to to be close with God, which is all the the horrible things that he sees every single day.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um and so to me, you know, I'm I'm reading this stuff and I'm in front of like a hundred people and I'm about to be baptized, and in in my head, my whole world is really, you know, really crumbling in that moment, you know.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_05: And then then I was like, I have I have to do this for myself and for my family.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_05: And that's all I kept thinking about.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_05: And what's really cool is like I wanted to be baptized outside.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_05: I really want to be baptized in a river, and I plan to next summer because they're like, you can be baptized more than once, you know.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_05: I thought maybe like an anniversary baptism or something, but I just told them I want to be outside.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_05: I know it's cold, but I just want to be outside because that's where I feel closest with God is in nature and stuff.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_05: And so I was I was outside and he's you know, talking to everybody and telling everybody my story and um my video played, and and I was crying, but the second I went in the water and I came back out, like you could just tell how happy I was.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_05: I really was because I was just happy I made that choice to show, you know, not only my kids, but just anybody that, you know, redemption's possible.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_05: And um, what was really neat is that night, all these people that go to my food pantry, um, they just come to do this community meal.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_05: And there was a 10-year-old girl there who saw my testimony, saw me be baptized, and that watching me get baptized inspired her to get baptized, and she's actually getting baptized here in a couple weeks.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_05: So that was really cool.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_06: That's so cool.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_03: And then uh hell yeah.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_06: Sweet.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_06: I love that.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_06: And you didn't even have to talk about the winged creature, right?
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_06: And give and give him any time of day.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_06: He doesn't matter, right?
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_06: That's so cool.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_06: That's awesome.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_06: What about you, Drew?
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_06: Did you have any like cool stories to share?
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, um yeah, anyways, yeah, so where I work at, um a lot of guys listen to the podcast, but they also listen to like a lot of your guys' stuff too.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_03: And uh one of the guys who does music at the end of my podcast, his name's D.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_03: He's a really good friend of mine, good brother in Christ.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: So him and I really these last past couple months, we've been really having a fire in our butt.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know what, dude.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_03: With everything that's going on in the world, like, you know, we really only got one shot at this life.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_03: So you know what?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_03: Our main priority, it doesn't matter about your it doesn't matter about like your rap um uh career, it doesn't matter about like my podcasting or hunting career.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_03: Like, well what matters is souls for Christ.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's what matters.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: And our war zone is at work.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: So him and I started a Bible study at work, so it started off with two guys, now it's grown to like 10 to like 15 guys, and it's still going.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: So and we're gonna plan it because we only do it like once a month, but this next year 2025, we're gonna try to hit it harder, maybe do like twice a month and stuff like that.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: So it's it's grown, so now we're kind of outside of work now.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_03: We're kind of bringing it to my house or to his house or whatever.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_03: So we're just um so we're just praying and hoping that it just you know we're just hoping to see what God does with it.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_03: And um, yeah, yeah, we're pretty, we're really they're really definitely excited about it.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: And then also too, with this whole um God's kind of giving me giving me an opportunity to consult, I guess, when it comes to things that are happening at people's houses, land, animals, stuff like that.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_03: God's giving me the opportunity to talk to people about Jesus that you know, like if I'm going there investigating something like let's say, like we last couple weeks, we had someone here in Murfreesboro, like um where animals are getting like killed and stuff like that, and then a couple buddies of mine are police officers, they don't want to deal with it because they're just relaying it to animal attacks.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_03: So and then, anyways, yeah, so God's opening up doors for that and me to instead of go out and kill physical things to actually to kill things in the spirit there, right?
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_03: To pray over them, you know, to pray over the land, to teach them about Jesus, and to plug them into a church.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_03: So to me, that's that's a freaking win.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's so good.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_06: And I feel like right now, especially, uh, there seems to be like more of an attack on men.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and I think that it's really I mean, that's so much men, but just like the family man, I guess, you know, like I think it's a good thing that you're bringing together people and giving them an opportunity to just kind of come together in faith, um, and just guys being able to like express themselves that way.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I've noticed that in my church too, like my home church, it's been like the men's ministry specifically, I think has grown because people are just looking to come together.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and only that too, a lot of the guys are because the way I try to hold it is I try to keep all of us accountable, right?
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_03: Like, hey man, if I'm struggling right now, I need somebody to talk to.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: If I'm struggling with certain things, like drinking, pornography, whatever, you know, like these guys need to be able to reach somebody at that exact time at that exact moment, you know.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: And with all 15 of us, like, you know, like one of us is gonna text them back or call them or something.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_03: So, and that's that's basically the main thing is just all of us being true and being humble and being accountable to each other and holding each other accountable, you know.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, that's so important.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: Cause then if we just like do our own thing, you know, it never you isolate yourself, and that's when the enemy comes in and does the job.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_06: So yes, awesome.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_06: Vicky Joy, do you have a cool story?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is kind of cool.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just kind of going off of the heels of what Drewski was talking about, you know, by way of isolating and pretty much my entire life I've been like legendary level recluse, you know.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm not I, you know, maybe introverted is maybe that touches on it.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm I'm not shy and I I don't lack friends and like hanging out, but I've I've just my whole life kind of flipped upside down to, you know, quote fresh prints.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: I did not ever want any attention ever.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: That was the one thing I avoided my whole life.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: I would turn down job promotions, I would do anything if it meant I had to have anything to do with it.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just wanted to sit in the shadows and do what I was told and be invisible.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of my the goal for my life, and so you know, it's been really um kind of cool the way the Lord has done this because you know, I really picked my career at 10 years old because I felt like I could be um I could hide away the rest of my life, you know.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, back when I was a kid, if you were a writer, you could move into the woods and use a pen name and nobody would ever know who you were or what you looked like.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought this is perfect.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: This is oh yeah, I can hide a pen name, no one's gonna know.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: So by the time I actually grew up and it was all this internet stuff, I was like, oh no, you know, and and so what's been really cool about the last three years is seeing the Lord very, very slowly sort of trick me into a forward-facing ministry.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it it's been a slow process, um, uh, where I went from I just want to write books and hide behind my my computer screen to realizing that the most important part of my ministry is the people who are suffering from spiritual warfare.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and so it's to the point now where I spend way more time on the telephone talking to people than writing.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't written in a couple months now.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like way behind on deadlines.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: But um there's just something so amazing about being able to interact with people who have never been able to share this with other people or be taken seriously, or they weren't crazy.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I was actually really encouraged, Alex, as you were telling your story.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, whoa, a pastor and his wife that listen to stuff like that and don't give you the side eye from that point forward.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that is so cool.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I don't have one specific story, and I have to kind of keep my stories on the DL because you know, these are confidential channels, but I'm you know getting calls from people from many different countries, men, women, all different ages, which is really cool because I'm getting to see how these spiritual warfare fringe like phenomenons are different for each generation.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: These things really do know how to culturally morph.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm learning a lot, and um it's a double-edged sword.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure is everybody that's in this space understands that what comes with the territory part of the spiritual warfare is your own audience can be so easily triggered, you know.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: And you know that's a good point.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you've got people um who are more in the new age occult realm, and they can be very triggered when you start bringing up the Jesus Bible stuff.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but even more prevalent, interestingly, at least in the topics I'm talking about, it's very easy to make Christians uncomfortable without trying.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I've heard LA Marzuli and other people in this community, the you know, the trailblazers, as I like to call it, I've I've heard them talk about this, but recognizing how um leery and uncomfortable the church is with the supernatural, and even when they're staring at it right in black and white under their noses in their devotions every day, how our brains are not trained to see some of the supernatural stuff in the scripture.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: And when you attempt to try to convince people how absolutely exciting God is and the redemptive plan is, and how cool some of this stuff is going on, especially in the Old Testament, and when you try to kind of uh uh tiptoe into the supernatural aspects of it by just showing how uh powerful it makes God look and how it's all for his glory and it's all part of his plan, and it shows his sovereignty and his forethought and his mercy.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: But it seems that if we tread a little too far over that line, it's the instant label of uh you're talking.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: New age stuff, you're you're you know that kind of thing, and so yes, um, that's really where I'm always kind of trying to walk the tightrope in this fringe community where I want to absolutely turn every podcast into an opportunity to preach the gospel, Jesus is the way, the truth, the life.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and and I want to stretch people on both sides of the fence.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not one of those people that enjoys being divisive or like I don't like trolling people.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, I don't, you know, I just want to, you know, talk truth.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: But we we as Christians, it's like, how do we walk that line where we know we're gonna probably get friendly fire?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of our bullet wounds are gonna be from our own side of the army, right?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of it's friendly fire, but then how do we talk about these very dark things, kind of like what you're saying at the front of the show, Christina?
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: How do we talk about all this stuff, but constantly be aware of turning it back to the glory of God?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, we don't want to go so deep in the woods that we're just vicariously enjoying talking about the devil all the time and all of his plans and his agendas.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because we are curious about it, and and it is fascinating because it's beyond our understanding.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: So these are sort of the things that I wrestle with, sort of on a on a daily basis, the things that I bring to prayer and try to um work out with fear and trembling.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, I um I definitely it's it's it is I think saying that it walking the tightrope is really kind of a good way of of thinking about it.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and now especially for my background, coming out of new age witchcraft, occult sort of things, and then it's kind of like, well, how do I navigate?
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_06: I I'm never like overly sensitive to, you know, I don't want people to feel any sort of way.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_06: I just want to present sort of you know, the facts really, you know, like this this person saw this, this is what we found in our research, but then also this was my experience.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_06: So I feel like speaking to that is coming back and telling the truth and the experiences and sort of sticking to the stories, is what I kind of love about all of this.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_06: Um, the more that we can can create a space for people to feel safe.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and this and like with Alex, I mean, that's just amazing.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_06: I I didn't even pick up on that when you were telling that that you had a pastor that would sit there and listen to that and not judge it.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_05: It was really his wife.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I told them basically what I told him is like, is there scripture that I can read?
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I had just started going to this church and I was like, is there scripture that I can read?
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_05: Like I have serious spiritual warfare going on in my life, and I have experienced sleep paralysis in the past at a specific house, and I had it multiple times at that house, and I thought it was just based at that house.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_05: And then once I started going to church and I started really reading scripture, it started happening again, and this is recently like within the last two months.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and then it started affecting my kids as well.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_05: And I I put two and two together, what was really happening and what was really going on.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_05: And so I reached out to him and he was busy at the moment, and he said, I need you to speak to my wife.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_05: My wife is the perfect person for you to talk to.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_05: And it took me a while for me, you know, she kept saying, Just tell me what you want to tell me, honey.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_05: Just, you know, just let it out.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's okay.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_05: And I was really like very leery about telling her because I was like, These people are gonna look at me like I'm crazy, they're gonna think I'm crazy.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_05: And after I tell her and show her these pictures, she's really gonna think I'm crazy.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_05: But I was like, you know what?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_05: If I can't talk about this with the people that I am like trying to read scripture with, then this isn't the place for me.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_05: And I wanted to know, you know, is this a place for me?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_05: And I made it very clear to her that like my abuse as a child from my father, that was being done through a church.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_05: And so me reaching out to any church in general was very hard for me.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_05: And it was like, I want to protect my kids, I want to protect myself, but at the same time, I was like, you know, I felt good.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_05: I had been going there for a few, you know, a couple of times, and and they were just very helpful, very kind, and um, and I just felt comfortable with opening up with that to her.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_05: And, you know, she she looked at my tattoos and she had clearly could see, you know, I was very interested in mythical things, um, quote unquote mythical.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_05: But it's just I was so glad that she she just said, Hey, do you want to get coffee and we can talk more about this?
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_05: You know, and I was like, wow, like I actually have people who are going to listen to me.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_05: And that was really refreshing because I felt so alone.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_05: And I have you guys, you know, I have the community of people, and you guys are also brothers and sisters in Christ.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_05: So that that is so helpful, but it's hard when you need someone here, you know, physically that you can go to, that you can spend time with in church, you can, you know, go to Bible study with, like Drew said, like having those people that you can always call or or go grab a coffee with and say, Hey, look, this is what's been going on.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_05: And they've been super supportive because they know everything that's going on with my son's father, who's in the the penitentiary, and um, and they just keep praying for us because it is a really bad situation, but I've just leaned so much.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_05: Like I I pray, I used to pray as a kid, but I have never prayed more in my entire life than I have as I do now.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_05: And and it feels good that I can do that because I know all these struggles are just strengthening me for whatever God is preparing for me for the rest of you know my life.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_05: And I just want to share that with people because people who probably knew me even just a year ago would never in a million years think that I would be preaching God to all of my like all my followers, anybody at my work.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I feel sad for those people because they they've made fun of me.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_05: Like I've shared that with Christina, they've made fun of me.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_05: And I just say, you know what?
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_05: I'm I just I'm sad for you guys.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_05: I can't save you, but Jesus can.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah, um, I just wish you the best.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_06: I'll thank you for you.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_06: Sometimes it's just as simple as that, right?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I mean that sometimes that's just the the easiest way to to say, you know what?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_06: Hey, I'm I'm here for you.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_06: I'm I wanna I wanna do life with you, like we say in the church world.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_06: But you know, if you if you I feel like the word sometimes when you are sort of trying to minister to people that don't believe, it's it's hard, you know, and especially when you're when you're brand new.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_06: When I first started walking with the Lord, I wanted to tell everybody everything.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_06: And it's overwhelming to people because I instantly forgot what it was like when you when you have all the you know all the stuff in your ears, when you're just when you can't hear him and when you don't want to hear anything about him.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_06: I instantly forgot that when I started walking.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_06: Well, not instantly, but you know what I mean.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_06: Like it just went away.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so you kind of forget, like, whoa, wait a second.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_06: And I know like here in my space, you know, I I kind of I want everyone to to be here because we're all experiencing weird stuff.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but I hope that you would meet Jesus along the way.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_06: Uh and and I've had a lot of, I guess, you know, non-believers kind of reach out to me too.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_06: But I I definitely have, um, I don't know, I I never want to get to, I think personally for me, like I never want to get to a point where I am censoring myself or stopping myself from saying what I need to say about the Lord, like because I'm afraid that it's going to make somebody like a little squirmy.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_06: I actually just uh in my own personal account, like you know, private Instagram accounts, like made a post about that.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_06: Like, you know what?
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_06: I kind of hope that this makes you squirm a little bit because it's the truth.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_06: And we're kind of at that time where it's gonna really start mattering what side you're on.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_05: I've never been more happy to make people uncomfortable by screen Jesus, Jesus, Jesus at my word.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_05: There's only 10 people in our lab.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm gonna tell you right now, I did not realize how blind the enemy made me for so long, for so many years.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_05: And now I'm walking around in my lab and I'm I'm looking at everyone.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_05: And some lady said the other day, have you noticed Jackie's been acting weird and she's been going out to her car every day and coming in and being all weird?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_05: And and in my head, I'm thinking, yeah, I know exactly what she's doing, and I can see it before I was blind because I was just not I was not caring about that in other people.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_05: And now I see it.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_05: I see everyone who is blind, and it's just so crazy that I'm I'm not blind anymore, and I'm literally free.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_05: That's what it feels like.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_05: Like I feel so free to just be myself and and not care if anyone doesn't like my relationship with Jesus because it's not their relationship, it's my relationship.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_05: And if you don't like it, I'm sorry, but I'm I'm so happy.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_06: And that's the tough thing, I think, because I I was just in which I have to I I always have to make sure that I'm careful with things like this.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_06: But now getting back to the algorithm, I I liked something, and then now I'm getting stuff about like witchcraft again.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_06: Like every once in a while I have to sort of like clean things out, um, because I you just that's where your feed goes.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_06: And so I've I saw this one um like witch like witch influencer, and she made a reel, and it was just kind of like me when the comment section starts looking like, well, Jesus loves you.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_06: And so I was like, of course, I'm like, well, let me look in the comments, let me look in here and see what this says.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_06: And there were so many people trying to minister to her and how she was not receiving it, her audience wasn't receiving it, and then people started going back and forth.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_06: And I was just like, see, that's I can see both sides of it, you know.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_06: I can see the side of, well, I want to share the gospel with you, but then I can also see the side of, well, I'm not gonna hear it because I was hurt by the church.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_06: I saw a lot of comments in there about that.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_06: Or Jesus was presented in a way, uh a human presented Jesus in a way that is not representative of the way that he is, and so that's just what it is.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_06: People aren't going to him, they're going to people.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is where Mars Hill is a really good contemporary application.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um Paul knew how to not put the cart before the horse.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it the agnostics and the atheists and the occultists and the new ages they expect us to come right out of the shoot with Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, you should go to church, blah blah blah.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: They're already tuned out, you're gonna trigger all their walls to go up.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I love how Paul went into this completely pagan area with all of these false gods, and he looked for and found a cultural opening.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so instead of starting with Jesus, Jesus, you guys are all pagans, you're gonna burn it.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, no, he's like, Hey, friendship with him, yeah, unknown God.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, do you want to hear about him?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Because I know who the unknown god is.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I love that.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's the way I look at it is okay, what does everybody want to talk about right now?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone wants to talk about you know, the Bigfoots and the Cryptids and this, yeah, the hat man aliens and the demons and the aliens and the UFOs, and so okay, I'll meet you where you're at.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: I can talk all day long about that stuff because not even with just my own sleep paralysis stuff.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: My dad, I was raised by a guy.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: We were talking about Roswell in the 70s.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was like a six-year-old at the kitchen table, and he's talking about JFK and now like you know, all this.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, oh yeah, I I was bowing and braided on this stuff.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyway, um okay, let's sit, let's talk about aliens.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm I'm not gonna force a discussion prematurely.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to find all the commonalities, I'm gonna listen to this person, we're gonna talk about this stuff, and then what you can do be again, this is why it is important to see the supernatural in the scripture, because at that point, then you can say, Well, you know, and and you don't even have to use trigger words like the Bible says, you know, you can say things like, you know, um, there was a first century scholar that once talked about visiting the third heaven.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: So you don't have to say the apostle Paul and Corinthians, and you don't have to use the buzzwords, you can you can draw them in and then um gotcha, yeah.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then and then because they don't know they're getting fire hosed, uh you you've got them at their level of curiosity, and then they're open-minded to it.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, one of the things that I love, like I'll just give you an example in case there's people out there going, Well, what is this chip talking about?
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: So, like when when I'm on a podcast, I'll spend, you know, we'll we'll talk about the the sleep paralysis entities.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, they come to the door at night, and you know, this and that.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so then you get into all the vampire lore and the Akkadian and the like the epic of Gilgamesh, and so they know, like, okay, cool, this is the history, and and then you say, This is actually not just vampiric or demonic, this is actually the law of the entire spirit realm, like even Jesus in Revelation 3:20.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: Behold, I stand at the door and knock.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: If anyone and so then you correlate this uh being from another dimensional realm who has come down and wants to interact with human beings, there has to be a portal, there has to be a door, there has to be an invitation, there's permissions, and then all of a sudden they don't understand, you're not cramming Jesus down their throat, but you're showing, you're putting puzzle pieces together for them.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so the thing that I love about the fringe space that's been created in in this day and age now is it's our Mars Hill.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's our opportunity as believers to play Apostle Paul, it's our opportunity to meet the culture where it's out and seize the opportunity appropriately and unobnoxiously, but through their entryway of curiosity, you start there and then you draw them in and say, You think that's cool.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: I got something way cooler to share with you.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_06: And that's it's so interesting to me because I I actually was able to um when I got back into church, I I didn't know what to do.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_06: And then I thought, like, okay, well, I guess I have to be like church people now, and this is what church people are.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_06: And then I found myself really wanting to kind of do my own thing, and then it was like, well, I don't know how to, I don't know how to fit into this because it Jesus isn't gonna come in and be like flippando, you are now a you know, a Christian lady that loves to bake bread in homeschool.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_06: Like that's just not who I'm gonna ever be.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um, you know, because he uses our gifts and our talents that he's given us to to build upon and to to do whatever it is he wants us to do.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_06: And so I needed to kind of go through that.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_06: And then I got super religious with things, and it was actually finding this space that that's when I was able to kind of level out and sort of find my balance again and say, well, wait a second, hold on.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_06: I've actually put these things in you, you know, you like doing all this research, you like talking to people, all the all the stuff, and you like the weird stuff.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe we can, you know, find the balance again.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_06: So for me, it was kind of like coming through the religious and getting rid of the religious spirit.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_06: Um, because that's a whole thing too.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_06: Um, that I feel like people kind of get trapped in.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I was actually talking to a lady that um I I'm I don't want to share her story because I'm not sure if she's gonna actually come on the show and share it, but a really interesting connection that she and I made with we both had this weird thing happen in our um in our youth with not so much sleep paralysis.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_06: Vicky Joy, I'm sorry, it always comes back.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_06: You just pull it out of us.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_06: We're just like, we want to talk about sleep paralysis again.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_06: I think it's just I think it's really just a common thread, is what it is.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_06: Um but she and I were able to, I had an experience that I had never heard of anyone else, I just hadn't heard anyone else experience this specific thing before.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_06: And it was almost like a um like a covering of lights that would come down that I could still see when I closed my eyes, and I could feel like an atmosphere of covering, and I don't really know what exactly that was or what it was meant for.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_06: And I think sometimes what happens is we get so caught up in the why, right?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_06: Like, why did this happen to me and what was that?
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_06: And then we try to then we go right into research and try to figure it out, but it's almost just like maybe I need to just take it to the Lord and figure out what he wants to do with it, and maybe it's something I need to put down.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_06: But it was cool because she and I actually were like, Well, we both experienced the same thing and we were thrilled.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_06: We had a great conversation for an hour of just fellowshipping, because it was just like I was getting chills, just hearing her experience, and she was able to kind of have a little bit of breakthrough telling the story because she'd never been able to tell it before.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_06: And I said, you know, I don't I don't care if you ever come on the show and explain that.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_06: I don't really care, but the fact that we're able to have this conversation, and hey, if you're experiencing something again and you just need someone to call about it, because you can't talk about people or you can't talk about it at church, or you can't talk about it to your family because they think you're crazy, you know.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just want to talk a little bit about that, the why that a lot of people get hung up on because I do talk to and hear from a lot of people who are Christians and they're distraught, like this shouldn't be happening to me.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a Christian, and so then they start some in some cases, they start to question the veracity of their own faith.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Does Jesus really love me?
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe, maybe the occult does have more power, like it can be very um off-putting and confusing to people if it persists.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then you've got other people online, which unfortunately it's a double-edged sword because you've got a bunch of people online that will always say, You just say the name of Jesus, and it goes away and it never came back.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: And that is the case for some people, but if it always works that way, it doesn't always work that way.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're not one of those people, you think, Well, if if all I do is say the name of Jesus and it goes away and it never comes back, and it did come back for me, I must have this open door, and what did I do?
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so it can get very confusing.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so, on both sides of the fence, whether you're a believer or a non-believer, well-versed in scripture or not well versed in scripture, believe in God, don't believe in God, potentially one of the reasons why the Lord might permit this type of experience to go on more than one time or more than a couple times, is on one side of the fence, you've got hundreds, if not thousands, of people telling stories similar to Alex.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: There are people out there, and this isn't you know pertaining specifically to Alex because I don't know her story, but I talk to people every day that are I determined the moment I moved out of my parents' house that I would never enter a church or read a Bible or open a Bible ever again.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: And these experiences kind of force them down that path because they're like they recognize this is a spiritual battle.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: And and so maybe the Lord permits some of that stuff to happen.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: He promises in scripture that he's with us.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: Lo, I am with you always.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: That includes when we're asleep, he's there, why is he permitting it?
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: In some cases, it's because he's drawing that person to himself, he's drawing them out of their skepticism or out of their bitterness, their anger, their their lack of forgiveness, the the church hurt, all look, everybody's been hurt by church guys, even people who've been in Christians their whole life.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: I I I have church hurt, it's just we're gonna have it, right?
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_06: It's part of the part of the territory, yeah.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: On the other side, okay, why would the Lord permit like born again serious about their faith, believers?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why would he let it go on for decades in some of these cases and whatever?
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: And what I'm really finding the more I talk to people, and you know, there's definitely an MO.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: After you talk to hundreds of people with this, like I have, you start to see certain things always rise to the surface.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's like an MO for a lot of these.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: And what I've realized is oh, I get it.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's raising up a warrior class, he's raising up people who are going through a very arduous boot camp of spiritual warfare because we're not learning it in the churches, some churches, right?
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: But sure if the crap hits the fan and the church uh thinks everything supernatural is the occult or new age, and we can't talk about it, and we can't we are actually under this uh unbiblical idea that if anything of spiritual warfare nature happens to you, it either means you're this mega super saint, or it means that you're being attacked by the devil because you have an open door.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: And the fact of the matter is um somebody better be prepared when these things manifest and come down here.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it's the Anunnaki or the Giants or the killer tomatoes rolling down the streets of New York City, I don't know what it's going to look like, but somebody in the church better know how to wield the sword.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so for those of us that can't seem to fully shake these experiences, um, I try to tell people, okay, look, everybody wants to be the one lone Job in the Sea of Peters, right?
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: We all want to think that we're being persecuted because it's this grand test because we're so righteous, right?
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we got to look constantly look at our sin and our open doors.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: We have to constantly be repenting.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: We have to be humble.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: If you're not a humble person, you're gonna get tore up in in these spiritual warfare scenarios.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: But we have to come to the conclusion that it actually is loving of God to prepare his people for a coming war if they're going to be part of it.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because I'm gonna I'm gonna feather off of what what what Vicky said.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I totally agree with that because example, how do you prepare soldiers, how do you prepare warriors?
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_03: You put them in the pit, you have them grind, you know, they're gonna have good days, they're gonna have bad days, and as Christian warriors that God is building up for this time that's gonna be coming up, you know.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: For just for example, just for like a lot of guys and women who just keep constantly having these attacks over and over and over again.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's building them up spiritually, it's building up their faith.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they're definitely diving into God a lot more, you know, like you know, like like they should.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_03: And like you like like like basically on like what Vicky said, you know, like when when crap hits the fan, basically law enforcement and SWAT and stuff like that, you're not gonna know how someone's gonna react unless they run stress tests over and over and over and over and over again.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: So when time does happen, when a crap does hit the fan, that's gonna be just like another day for you.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah what I mean.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_03: And like like like Vicky said, you know, like during that time when crap does hit the fan, there is gonna be a lot of people who have been struggling but have been keeping their faith, just like Job, you know, to God that when this stuff does happen, that like they said, this is gonna be just like another day for them, but also too, it's gonna be a part of their testimony to be lifting people up at the same time, like, hey man, I've been there, I've done that.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_03: Let me show you what God's done for me, and let me show you how he brought me out of it.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_03: Or if not, he's still working through this through me, you know.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_03: Just yeah.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_03: Anyways, yeah, that was it.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_06: No, I love I love that because uh in and just kind of reminds me that you know, we serve a God of order.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_06: He doesn't he doesn't want us just out here willy-nilly trying to figure things out.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but also, you know, I I love the fact that he's he's creating in this space, in this whole fringe, I don't know what else to call it, like blurry fringe, whatever, this melting pot that we have here.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_06: I feel like what he's doing, at least it's my hope to be a part of this, is to be able to say, Hey, you come on, you know, I hear your story.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_06: That sounds really crazy.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_06: I know someone that I can say, like, hey, I have a guy that will talk about the weird stuff going on outside of your house and maybe what you can do.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_06: Hey, I know somebody, you know, Vicki Join knows a lot about um sleep paralysis.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_06: Let me send you her way.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_06: You know, hey, Alex had the same experience, let me send you her way.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_06: So that way there's just kind of these directional ways of sending people to someone that has a little bit of authority and that there's weight behind it, you know.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_06: Hey, because I experienced it, I'm not just reading it in a book.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_06: I've actually experienced what you know is going on with you.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_03: And only that, too.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_03: You know how it says in the scripture, too, how the whole body of Christ, you know, one's the head, one's the tail, one's the arm, one's the left arm, you know.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody that, you know, that God specifically put in certain seasons and certain times in certain areas, all have different gifts in certain areas, right?
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: Just like Derek Gilbert, the Gary Wains, the Ellie Marzelli, the Vickies, Alex's, the Christina's, like, you know, they all have different gifts in certain ways on how to combat the enemy.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_03: You know, some people are made to worship, some people are made to preach, some people are made to talk about sleep paralysis, you know, it, you know, and uh like Alex, you know, how to combat flying cryptids, whatever, you know what I'm saying?
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, there's there is a place for everybody in the body of Christ, and they have specific details on what God's given them gifts to do.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I love it.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, it's awesome.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_06: And I think like getting back to what Vicky said about getting ready, like I feel like he's getting us ready in this, because if if I I think what's gonna happen is that we're just gonna see a just a whole bunch of people coming out of these other areas of new age because that doesn't answer anything.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_06: You know, when things get weirder and weirder, witchcraft doesn't answer it, the occult doesn't well, unless you're really, you know, high up level, we can that's a whole other thing.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_06: Like, you know, if you're really into it, then that's a different story.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_06: But you know, those things don't answer it and they're not gonna answer the questions that people are gonna have.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_06: So they're gonna have to come to this space because I don't think the church, I think it's gonna get to a point where you know there's gonna be pastors that are like, hey, I need you to just go talk to you know these people because they have more experience than we do, you know, like we are that part of the church.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I agree.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_03: What's it's it's it's funny that you said that because um my pastor knows me really, really good.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_03: Like really good.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's funny.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_03: We anyways, yeah.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_03: So but this this this person who is dealing with a certain thing, um, he's like, dude, I have no freaking clue.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_03: Go talk to Andrew about this.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right, you know, exactly.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like, oh buddy, let me tell you.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_06: I know.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_06: Sometimes I'm like, maybe I just started this because I just want one big small group, you know, like hey, let's just let's just be weirdos and talk about weird stuff in Jesus.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_06: Like, that's you know, that's just what it is.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, my pastor's the same way.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_06: Like when I told him I started this podcast, he's like, of course you start a bigfoot podcast, weirdo.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, Well, you knew, yes, someone's gotta do it.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and you know, it's it's always kind of tough.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I always call LA and the you know, the the Tom Horns and things, I call them the trail, the trailblazers.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: They were out talking about this before it was cool and a god only um I can only imagine the kind of persecution within and without that they they got right.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: So mad props are the ones that laid the groundwork for us.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: We're here today, but anyway, we are still ahead of the curveball here.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: People like to talk about cryptids and bigfoot and sleep paralysis and demons because it's entertaining and it's in the films.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: They they enjoy talking about it because it's titillating, they're they're not talking about it because they think, oh man, this stuff might all manifest.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: And like the the days of the days of Noah might we we might live, they're not thinking about it in terms of this applies to me.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so we're a little ahead of the curve where people want to talk about this stuff outside of the realms of entertainment, and so that's where we get our persecution, like, oh, you guys are crazy, you're schizophrenic, you're this, you know, all the the typical, typical gaslighting right.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so one thing that I have found really encouraging is um two things.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, the the verse, the name of the Lord is a strong tower, the righteous run to it and they're safe.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so whenever I have those days, because there's always days where you're getting more mud flung at you than other days.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I always just say, okay, the name of the Lord is a strong tower, the righteous run to it and they're safe.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: And and I just like envision that and I just declare that to the Lord, like, Father, I I am running to your name right now, it's a strong tower.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: I believe that I will be kept safe.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: And when what I mean by safety isn't like these people are coming after me, I mean safe from my own head, my own thoughts, my own condemnation, my own shame, my own like rejection.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: But the the second thing is I can't believe how applicable the gospels are when you're reading how Jesus was treated by the religious circles and the outside world, and when you read about how his disciples were treated, um, just the hatred, the vitriol, the mocking, the condescending.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: And when you see the way Jesus handled that and how his eyes were just on the prize, man, like the joy set before him, he endured the cross.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like he just he knew what uh the payoff was, you know, and so it it's just it's really another aspect of this fringe community that I think we need to continue doing and maybe doing better.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_01: We we can't all be compartmentalized doing our own little show, and then occasionally we see each other at conferences and put photos together, but we have to understand that we have to come together and continually it's it's a command in scripture, encourage one another daily, as long as it is called today.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_01: And encourage doesn't mean like, hey, have a great day, you know, or a compliment or a funny little meme.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Encouraging each other basically means because life is so hard, and the arrows are flying all around us.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: We have to preach the gospel to each other daily because that's the only hope, that's the only thing that's we're gonna rise above with all of what's going on.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so I just I hope another thing that kind of comes out of this sort of organic process of like more roundtables and more, you know, the Bible studies like Drewski's talking about, like we have to be very conscious on a daily basis to follow the command to encourage one another daily, and that means we preach the gospel to each other, we put things in an eternal perspective.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: So if one of us has a bad day because we got called a new age witch three times because our reel got a little too supernatural or whatever, we call up another one of our friends and say, Man, I'm getting hit hard today, or just calling me all these names.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: Then we we don't say it's okay, I've been there, I've been called worse.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, we say we are gonna preach the gospel, we are on a mission, we've been given a co-mission.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: We are we are part of a seed war, we are gonna be part of a royal priest, we preach the gospel to each other, and the things of earth grow strangely dim.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's one of the things that I'm really excited about with um kind of even what you've started here tonight, Christina.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, let's not just we we podcasters, we're we're not competing with each other.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_06: We are it's amazing that we aren't.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_06: It's it's just so incredible.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: We're on the same we're a family, same team.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: We we need every part of this body.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: Guess what happens if there's body parts missing?
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: Our armor falls off.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: Armor doesn't stay, yeah.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you know, you're not gonna be able to wear like the shoes of the gospel if you're missing a foot.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: So we our armor falls off if our body falls apart.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: So we we need each other and we got to encourage each other daily.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: And hey, if somebody out there is bigger than we are, they got more likes, they're more popular, they sell more merch, whatever.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: We cheer and root for them because they are one of and pray for them, pray for them, pray for them.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_06: Definitely pray.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_06: I'm sorry, I started laughing because as soon as you said that a body part falls off, I just went right to Monty Python and where I went.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_06: I'm sorry.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's that's what we look like.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_06: It's just a flesh wound.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_06: That's just a flesh wound.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_06: Like, that's what but no, but the funny thing is we do that, right?
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_06: Like, there's plenty of times I do that all the time in in my own walk where I'm just like, I can do it myself.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_06: It's okay.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_06: That that guy, I invited him on the show, and he thinks that what I'm doing is I had that conversation the other day.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_06: Too new, it's too, I'm really super Christian.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_06: So what you're doing is I don't really want to, I don't want to get together with you because whatever.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_06: And it's just like, okay, well, I can either pray for him and wish him well and know that I'm doing my thing, or I can let that seed get in my head because that's where the enemy goes for me too.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_06: He gets right into my head and he doesn't have to do much work because if I allow it, he'll it'll just it'll just be on repeat, you know.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_06: That's how he kept that's how he kept me in bondage for years.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_03: We are professional self-sabotager for sure.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so this has been really fruit.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_06: I really just wanted to see some just a good kind of fellowship.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I really appreciate everyone's time on here.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_06: And that's kind of was my heart behind this is just starting the groundwork of it.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know where it's gonna go.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but God has really just put it all together.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_06: And I hope that this is a space where people, you know, other podcasters can feel like, hey, you know what?
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_06: I kind of want to talk about this.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_06: I'm seeing this trend with my audience, or this is what God's put on my heart for this space.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_06: Because we don't have that really.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_06: We don't have that sort of church feel of, hey, let's have a staff meeting, you know, let's pour into each other type of a deal.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but what I really wanted to do is Alex, you're really quiet.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_06: You're gonna take a middle in okay.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_05: All right, cool.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_05: I just want to make hearing I just want everyone to know like each one of you in your own ways inspires me every single day.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_05: Like when I get on my social media, I'm just so glad to see everything Drew's doing, you, Christina, you, Vicky, like just all the lives that were affecting positively and like sharing the word, like that's that's so important.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_05: And I do.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_05: I I love seeing everybody's stuff, and I'm just I'm just happy to to know all of you, honestly.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_05: You guys have all inspired me daily on walk with Christ.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_05: So it's amazing.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I agree with you because example, like we have no excuse.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_03: God gave us a platform to preach the word, so we have no freaking excuse at all.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I shared that with you guys earlier, is like, you know, when I'm sort of making just doing some research just for the shows that we're doing, it's like sometimes I get down these certain little rabbit holes and I'm like, oh my, this is really getting dark again.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_06: And what am I doing this for?
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_06: You know, again, Vicky Joy, I'm just it, I just want to look at the spooky stuff, you know.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_06: And I and you don't want to isolate, you know, you kind of want to try to hit the target audience.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_06: So it's like, what's the balance of all the content?
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_06: All that, you know, I probably went a little bit too hard on that for Halloween, but I but God works some stuff out of my heart with Halloween where it's just like, you know what?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_06: I don't, I have a big problem with that.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_06: And I feel confident explaining that to my audience and say and sharing that.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_06: Like, hey, you know what?
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_06: I kind of wrestle with this holiday.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe you do too, maybe you don't, if you celebrate it, whatever.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_02: But I think making an episode you should hear.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: What happened?
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_02: I got an episode you should hear on Halloween, but anyways, oh really?
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I know there's I know there's a lot of people that have like problems with Christmas, not problems, but I know that Christmas has a lot of stuff too.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_06: And I just said this the other day.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, you know what?
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not, I'm not ready.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not ready to let go of my Christmas.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm gonna I'm holding, I'm holding on to that.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_03: I'm ready to major on the majors, minor on the minor minor exactly.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_03: What major is spreading the gospel, spreading Jesus, getting people to heaven.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's the major.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_03: Disciples, girl.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_06: That's right, exactly.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_06: That's what we're doing.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so what I want to do, if uh we've I know we've been on here for a while, but um, I want to try to get some practical like next steps or some good advice for people.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_06: So a lot of us are ministering to and sharing stories and content with people that are still going in spaces, paranormal spaces.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_06: Um, you know, Drew, you've got people like out there in the woods trying to hunt actually looking for things.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_06: So a lot of my audience, Vicky Joe, I don't know if you see people the same way, probably, that are going out and still looking for things.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_06: What would be some practical tips?
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_06: Like if you really feel like you got to go get that research or you really got to go figure out what's going on in this house or check out these woods, what are some practical things that you would say and suggest to people?
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, boom or video.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_06: Go ahead.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_06: You yeah, you go ahead.
• 1:00:23
  unknown: Okay.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_03: Drew.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, first of all, with me, I always make sure that if it's something I'm asked to do, I don't just go out and just look for it.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I pray about it.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_03: And if someone hits me up on something like, hey, Drew, I'm really having problems with it, okay, and I pray about it, I'm gonna go check it out.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_03: Because I'm feeling the pull to it.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not just gonna go out there and just be like, Yeah, let's just let's go see if we find something.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna do that because to me that's when bad things happen.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_03: So um, yeah, so definitely be prayed up.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_03: Read your word every day.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_03: Because to me, that is based I'm all about EDC, which is everyday carry, right?
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_03: I want to carry on and use my personal and stuff, but the main thing I carry is my is my little pocket bible and my anointing oil.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_03: Those are freaking I carry my anointing oil too.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_03: So that's just me.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_03: So I can get anywhere with these things.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_03: So, anyways, but anyways, yeah, so those are like the main things I carry that, but um, yeah, definitely trade up.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_03: Be in your word every day, be in prayer.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_03: You have a family, you know.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely be plugged in with them.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_03: If you can, you know, just go to church as much as you can, be in fellowship with people, you know.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_03: That is basically like the main thing, and you know, just make sure you guys have like accountable partners too, because that is one thing I love about the guys on my team, about all the seven guys, is that we bless each other's V-A-L-L-Z, but we are on it when it comes to keeping each other accountable, dude.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like if I'm getting so psyched up about something that they pull me back, like hey Drew, let's think about this.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_03: Try to find you a good, good core of people that you trust, you love, and God has put in your life.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_06: And uh no, that's great.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so Drew knows how to go to Ladies' Night.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_06: He brought his anointing oil, he brought his pocket scripture, and he brought his gun.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_06: So he also had a recipe in the beginning.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_02: And my coffee, my coffee.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, the coffee's prepared for everything.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_06: He's ready.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_06: Oh my gosh.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I would say that too, with uh like research.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_06: So I do a lot of research and I I shared somewhere out in the ether an experience that I had looking into, I had to look into a specific area for for witchcraft, and I came across books that I just should not have been looking at.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_06: And actually, I took pictures and then I brought the pictures home with me.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_06: And I got I started feeling really sick on the way home, went right to the Holy Spirit, which I should have done beforehand.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_06: So again, I I'm gonna say that I agree with Drew.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_06: Like, even if it's just research, you think, oh, I'm going to the library, or oh, I need to, I need to look into this area.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_06: Um, be prayerful and ask the Holy Spirit, what is it that you want me to show here?
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_06: What is it that I'm supposed to find in this research?
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_06: And I do the same thing with people, guests, or potential podcasts that I'm going to go on too.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_06: Hey, Holy Spirit, should I have this person on?
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_06: Should I go to this, to this um, you know, person's pod, go on this podcast?
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_06: And then what would I even bring to their audience type of thing?
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_06: So I think always being prayerful first before you have to, you know, what's the saying?
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_06: Like ask ask permission first before you have to like apologize or whatever.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_03: I don't basically just like, hey God, here's my plan, sign it off.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, right.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_06: Or whatever you put in my heart, I'm gonna give it back to you.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_06: And then if it's if it's what I'm supposed to be doing, then let's go.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_06: But if it's not and it turns into the Christina show, I don't want to do any of it.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_06: For sure.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_06: Vicky Joy, you got anything else for us?
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would definitely say you had better be a hundred percent sure you're being called into spiritual warfare ministry.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm on.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you and even once you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that that's your calling, you still have to employ first John 4 1 daily.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_01: And Drewski was talking about this.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you test every spirit because if you if you're out on all these weird places and you're having all the success and you're breaking Canaanite altars and you're you're you know reversing curses, that doesn't mean that every single place on planet earth you're supposed to go.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so um you have to just constantly test every spirit.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: You also have to understand that even if you go out, whether it's okay, I'm gonna go into the woods, I'm gonna go to a graveyard, I'm gonna go into a haunted house, I'm gonna go into uh area 51, like all these places that people want to go.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_01: You have to understand that even if nothing happens, you don't see anything, you don't feel anything, you don't get any goosebumps, nothing met measures on your like little, you know, ghost hunting devices.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_01: These things are clever and they are covert.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_01: You could go home with an attachment and not even know it.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_01: So understand that if you're if you think you're a super Christian and you're gonna walk through a portal and come back without having an attachment, you're wrong.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we need to take this very seriously.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_01: People have lost their lives over this.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_01: We have to have humility.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: One of our strongest weapons is humility.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_01: I really bristle at this.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a warrior, I got a target on my back.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_01: Satan trembles when I get up in the morning.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like that we have got to maintain a stance of humility.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to tell you one story to kind of like back up what I'm saying.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: Henry Groover, who passed away a few years ago, he was really in this space where he would go around and he would um he would find old like Canaanite altars and and he would find old um uh strongholds and he would go there and he would pray and he would break strongholds and principalities over certain areas and he was successful at it.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_01: He had just the craziest adventures there.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: He told one story where he had a dream that he was pulled, I think, into some underground area.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember if it was the castle in Germany, because I might be getting that mixed up with Russ Dizdar because I know he'd been there.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think it was actually the Vatican, but he his whole prayer group was there in the dream, and they were praying over this altar and these these entities, and they broke this stronghold, and he couldn't wait till he woke up and he called his prayer group.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_01: They were they all had the same dream, they were wow, they were likely there.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_01: And and I've talked to people who have had um, they do spiritual warfare in in in the night, right?
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_01: So Henry Groover, class act, called into this ministry, humble, humble guy.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he decided one day to go to the serpent mound.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, because hey man, I've had all this success.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_01: And he went there and he almost lost his life.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_01: He's told the story publicly many times.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: He fell to the ground in some sort of like a heart attack scenario.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: He couldn't get up and he was wrestling for hours.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_01: He was there till like dusk, I think.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_01: And he he did survive and he got up and he was like, Father, what in the world happened?
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_01: And the answer was, I did not tell you to go there.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so, um, and you know what?
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe there's someone out there that God has or will say, go to the go to the serpent mound.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_01: But we even when we're called, we have to maintain humility, we have to test every spirit, and we have to do all of the cleansing prayers when we get home because whether you feel it or not, there may be attachments.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so we just we got to be careful.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't a game, guys.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's uh that is a powerful story.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_06: Um, because I think, yeah, you're right.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_06: We don't sometimes we just we don't think about it in the forefront, and then it's something that could affect our lives in big ways.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or even or even worse, and I see this more often, I I just I I beat this home in almost every podcast.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_01: If you open a door, you bring that thing home, you cross the threshold into your home with an attachment, the entities aren't going to necessarily go after the person that offered the invitation or opened the door.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna go over they're going to go after the most vulnerable, defenseless member of that household.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_01: So it could be your two-year-old in the crib, it could be your 14-year-old, and and you might not even know because it could be a sleep paralysis scenario or it could be a hidden sin that they're struggling with that they don't talk about.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_01: You might not even figure out until that kid's 18, 20 years old what had been happening under your roof that whole time.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not a joke, you guys.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is not a joke.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_06: And then you've put and you've opened a door and planted a seed, probably, too.
• 1:09:28
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_06: Alex, did you want to say something?
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I just want to say I really needed to hear.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, me and Drew have talked about this and Christina as well, but I really needed to hear all this stuff because when I go out to that park that I've been having all these experiences at, I've not been looking for that.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_05: It's been showing itself to me just when I'm not even thinking about it.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_05: And it's it's hard because it's showing itself to my kids.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_05: And and it's just this really um that's really why I drove like like into scripture so hard, because I I didn't I didn't think that it could happen to me, especially at a place like that.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, it's it's in the most populated area.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_05: It is a very old park, um, but it's I think it did open doors being at that park, and I just did not even, you know, you just you think that you're safe, you think you're at a park, a family-friendly park, but I honestly like I need to be thinking about what I'm doing before I go while I'm there, and when I come home, you know, when we do go to that place, because we've experienced so many different things at that park that I honestly cannot explain.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_05: And and and still nobody's been able to tell me, you know, the things that I've experienced or like what what they really are, and I probably never will know.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think I want to, um, but it's helped me really um come closer to God, honestly.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_05: Like all those experiences, and I don't want them affecting my kids, and I feel like they have been, um, especially my oldest son, and he's the one that's going through the hardest times right now.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so that's like, you know, that's a little scary to think about.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_06: I think I would definitely just ask the Lord at this point.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_06: I think because you just got baptized, you're you're, you know, you're very you're in a vulnerable state still, yeah, spiritually.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_06: I would absolutely bring every little thing to him in that respect of father.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_06: Should I even be going here?
• 1:11:33
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_06: And then be be prepared to be obedient when he says no.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_06: Because that's when you find out the hard way too.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_06: And I don't want to, you know, I don't want to be too bossy about that, but I I've learned in my experience, there's been plenty of times where I've gotten a big smack on the hand, you know, like, nope, you shouldn't have done that.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_05: I always felt like all these places that I've been drawn to, which are a lot of like, like Vicky said, like abandoned places.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_05: And it's not me wanting to go, it's something telling me you need to come here, please.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_05: Like, please come here.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_05: And in my head, I'm thinking, is this something I should be doing?
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_05: But this is before, you know, I was like, I gave my life to Christ.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_05: It was just I was constantly being drawn to these places.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_05: And we've talked before, like the dress, like that was a really big thing for me to like understand that like this is not like Vicky said, this is not a game, this is not something to toy with.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_05: Like, don't bring this to your home, you know.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_05: And I I realized what I was doing, how it was affecting myself, my kids.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and I feel like it's continued to follow me, but I also feel like the trauma that I dealt with as a child, like almost like I was like given away in a way, like not by choice, but by other people who thought they could, you know, give me to somebody.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_05: And that was like really, I feel like I've always had this enemy really on like the forefront of my life.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_05: And now that I am, you know, I am finding my relationship with God is just testing me even harder, like and and more stronger.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_05: And, you know, it's not been easy, but I'm so glad that I have, you know, taken the steps in the right direction for myself for the long run, because in the end, you know, I'm the one that's gonna have to to meet with God and and nobody else.
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_05: So I just try to just do my best for myself and my kids, and I'm just glad I have people like you guys to encourage me to to keep um seeking the truth.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_03: Also, another thing I'm gonna kind of capitalize on that too.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um just uh going off what you're saying about going to certain areas and whatnot, and what Becky said, things follow you home, right?
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_03: There's one thing I I do every single freaking time is me and my wife, before I go out somewhere, we pray over the house, we anoint everything, and we put up scriptures throughout the house, right?
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_03: And we pray over our kids too.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_03: And then when I get back before I even enter the house, we actually pray together and stuff.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_03: And then I I Alex, I definitely suggest that too.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_03: You know, whenever you got time, you know, if your kids ain't around or whatever, um last some worship music in the house and start praying over every crevice of that house, the windows, the doorways, everything.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_03: Just have God's angels come in and just clear it out.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I suggest you do that routinely if you can, maybe at least like once a month.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and yeah.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_06: Or anytime you're cleaning your house.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, I I I have a schedule of cleaning and it's usually, you know, Tuesdays and nobody's in the house, and I'm I'm I'm cleaning in the natural and in the spiritual.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_06: Like we're cleaning house today.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_06: I yeah, I agree.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_06: That's great advice.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_06: Um well, this has been great, guys.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_06: I hope that we can we can keep this going.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, I'd like to do this at some point.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_06: We'll we'll talk about scheduling something.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe if you guys know anybody else that would want to join in.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I mean, let's just let's just do this.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_06: Let's talk about what's going on in this space and how we are ministering to people and how God's ministering to our hearts too.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so let's wrap it up.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_06: Um, hope you guys have a great Thanksgiving.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_06: Vicky Joy, how can people find you?
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, if they and and and just I guess maybe tell people what like your ministry is about real quick, do a little plug.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh oh.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, anything um that people are experiencing by way of spiritual warfare, um, especially um it's like sleep paralysis and nocturnal stuff, night terrors, paranormal activity, that kind of stuff.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I I write books, but I also do just a lot of podcasts.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_01: I do do phone calls for people who are are struggling.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you can get me at VickyJoyanderson.com.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_01: You can listen to all my media on there for free.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_01: All the podcasts is just on the media tab.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then TikTok and Instagram are both Vicky Joy Author, and then I have a YouTube channel, just Vicky Joy Anderson.
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_06: Which is awesome.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_06: Go subscribe to it.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_06: All right, Alex.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_06: Oh what, Drew, what was you gonna say?
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_03: No, I just agreed.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_03: I said yes.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_06: Oh yeah, it's awesome.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_06: I love Vicky Joy's YouTube channel.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_06: Um, Alex, how do you uh how can people find you?
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_05: Instagram.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_05: That's my that's my only social media that I have.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_05: So um I I post all kinds of videos, but my photography is on there as well for anyone who wants to to see that.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_05: Awesome.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_05: All right, Drisky.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_03: All right, uh, yeah, I'm the host of Cryptid Warfare and Conspiracies Podcast.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, if you guys got any prayer requests or stories or anything like that, you guys want to hit me up, hit me up at cryptidwarfare at gmail.com.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_03: And then if you guys have any other things physically that are going on, spiritual warfare, anything like that, or things that are harassing you, hit me up at uh c.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_03: uh w operations17905 at gmail.com.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_03: You guys can find me on Instagram, that's cryptidwarfare and uh Facebook and TikTok.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_03: So glad to help either way, or you want to chat, let me know.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_06: Awesome.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_06: And you know that you're here at sasquatchandsourdough.com.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_06: Um, the website is live.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_06: Give us all of your encounters.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_06: If you guys know of people that can share encounters with me that I can put on the website, um, we're gonna try to just generate like a bird's eye view of what's going on uh so people can kind of cross-reference for their research or their prayer, all that stuff.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so yeah, until next time, uh just remember that the truth is out there, God is with you, and everyone always ends up in the kitchen.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_06: You have been listening to Stasquatch and Sourdough.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_06: I'm Christina, and thank you so much for tuning in.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_06: Sasquatch and Sourdough is so much more than just a podcast.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_06: We are a community of kindred spirits united by our curiosity and fascination with the extraordinary.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_06: And we want to bring you into the conversation.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_06: So whether you've had a brush with the unexplainable, seen something that you can't quite wrap your head around, this is your space.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_06: We invite you to join us as we break bread and break down the barriers between the known and the unknown.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_06: If you want to share your story, you can email us at Sasquatch and Sourdough at gmail.com or send us a DM on Instagram.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_06: Until next time, remember the truth is out there, God is with you, and everyone always ends up in the kitchen.