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Why You Are Not Dreaming · White Coat Black Sheep

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  Speaker 1: This is White Coat Black Sheep, where science gets curious and dogma gets uncomfortable. I'm doctor Sivelli, and we talk physiology, evidence, and real world medicine, plus the questions you're not supposed to ask but probably should. If you care about health and think there's a better way, welcome to our show. Hey, Justin. How's it going?
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  Speaker 2: Good. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Good. I'm sorry I forced you to just be on this side of the camera. I know it's not the usual preference.
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  Speaker 2: Nope, it's not usual, but yes, I will do it for you.
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  Speaker 1: It was really funny. I watched the control, need to control kind of kick in. He tried to run away. Yeah. That's what happened.
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  Speaker 2: This is not my comfort zone Yeah. At all.
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  Speaker 1: But you know my personality profile, I mean, I am the one that breaks the stagnation or like a resistant, like, I'm gonna push it in that other direction. You
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  Speaker 2: did force me to take a test to see if we're compatible. Even though we've been friends for a long time
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You did make me take a test to see if we are and we have work together, so I thought it was a little weird that I was demanded. I was I
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  Speaker 1: was Demanded.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Demanded to take a test, and it took me that test took me a good forty five minutes while I was watching Titanic with my son, and my wife was like, What are you doing? What are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I am taking a test. I am taking a personality test for Valerie, and I did it. Those are
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  Speaker 1: Did you learn anything about yourself?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, but I do also feel like those tests are little, like, I can go either kind of which way, and I always feel like I try to find a certain moment where I did go one way or the other, but there's moments where I feel both ways.
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  Speaker 1: So you felt like there was maybe a fork in the road that you skewed your results where you would otherwise land in a different personality box?
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  Speaker 2: I felt like a lot of my answers were going towards one direction, and I just felt like I had to kind of mix it up because there were times where, based off the question, I was like, no, I did sometimes feel like that. So in a lot of those questions, and then I didn't realize the slider was, it basically had steps. Uh-huh. Basically some steps, so I was like, oh crap. I went back and I started after about five questions, was like, oh, you can actually tap a section on that, so it kind of Yes.
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  So the slide and scale.
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  Speaker 1: So you came out as number one being Oh, that's mine, actually. Gonna pull your results up. And I'm like, I'm proud of you for doing it. Okay, so number one was empathizer, number two was coach, and number three, which is super fun to know about you, is catalyst because that's me. You also break stagnation.
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  You also push people into action where they would otherwise just kind of like, well, I'm thinking about this, and I'm gonna do that. You push them into the doing. That's a skill, and that also this really helps with learning how to better communicate with people that you already work with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the top one was empathy? Empathizer. Empathizer. I feel like that one's an obvious one because I always I feel like I I not self loathing.
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  I do feel like I I have empathy for other people more than myself usually. Yeah. I'm that person that we gotta hurry up and go, we gotta go because we're making somebody wait or, you know, and it's been a crux. It's been an issue with, you know, with us.
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  Speaker 1: So me knowing that to be true about you means that I would better know how to identify that and then recognize when you're doing that to, like I don't know, it's almost like I mean, I I have a very similar thing to you, but it'd be, like, not in your best interest every time.
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  Speaker 2: Mhmm. Yeah. It's it's definitely a detriment. It's it's sometimes it's I put others before myself and then realize I
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  Speaker 1: have It costs you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does cost me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, that brings us here. Let's see. Mine okay, so yours, Empathizer, Coach, Catalyst, and then mine was let's see, what was the name of the website? This is High Five.
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  That's where we Mhmm. Did
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  Speaker 2: Which was a it was a good website, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Right? So mine is strategist, catalyst, believer. So, yeah. Anyway, fun to know. Mhmm.
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  So we were just kind of going back over the last conversation because I'll let you share this part about the questions that you've received since you're a dad, you have kids, you have teens, well, really all different ages.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think that you're speaking of the my 15 year old son brought up the he brought up the b what is the the correct term for the peptide?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, b p c one five seven. Yeah. So he picked Body Protection Complex.
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  Speaker 2: Is it okay. So I I picked him up from wrestling, and he basically hits me with the dad, do you know what that is? And right when he said it, I believed that it was a peptide, and I said, yeah, I believe I do. Why? He's like, a kid from wrestling wants, says that he can get it for me because of my knees.
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  He's been he has been injured in his knees, and as some as dad, I my knee jerk reaction was like, no, absolutely not. That's not gonna happen. And then and then I
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  Speaker 1: did Because
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  Speaker 2: Just because I'm not knowing, I just didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm familiar with the product, and he's a kid.
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  Speaker 2: He's 15. Yeah. Thinking, like, if are you injured or are you hurt? If you're injured, there's a problem. If you're hurt, I feel like I'm, you know, I was born in the eighties.
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  I feel like you kind of put put some dirt on and walk it off. But yeah, he he he has injured his knees. His knees are a problem Okay. Because he is doing wrestling now, so he's never done wrestling. So I felt like, well, maybe you just don't because you're 15 and you're jumping into it and you don't know how to wrestle correctly.
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  I'm just giving him a bunch of excuses on why you don't need to add that. Yeah. And then I basically told him, was like, well, actually, I do take some peptides, and I believe I don't even
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  Speaker 1: But you told him in that moment?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I said, and we never really talked about that. We never talked about it. And then he said, are those those things that are in the fridge? I said, yes, they are.
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  And I basically, my excuse was, I'm two and a half times older than you, and I'm dad.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you told him?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. That's what I told him. I was like, I'm old, I'm in pain, you know, and I've, you know, spoken to a doctor about it, and then, you know, after your our conversation, I feel like maybe I was a little abrupt and should have maybe thought about it a little bit more, and now after having more conversations, I feel like it is something to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and definitely, like, knowing how to talk about it, and like I was telling you off camera, I get these questions from parents a little bit for education but also out of fear, and then some of them in the category of make my kid a superhuman. So there's definitely a space in between to navigate it. Don't have kids, but definitely for safety profile, these are non FDA, which what does that mean? There's a lot to say about it except that FDA is the language that doctors are trained to speak and and treat within.
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  You know, there's certain definitions and guidelines that we're supposed to abide by, but so within, like, the the realm of off label is as we call it. So sort of going rogue, but it's also in the supplement category. This is something that is relatively safe. Now, the reason that you take it, there's different reasons. It's supposed to have really good healing quality.
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  So if you have an acute injury, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't really so much matter, like, where's the injury? Like, your gut would benefit from it. There's nasal spray options. There's oral options. There's injectable options.
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  You can inject intramuscular for that. You can also, just do into the joint. I do that, if somebody has, like, say, they sprained their knee playing soccer, is that what
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  Speaker 2: Wrestling.
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  Speaker 1: Wrestling. Well, for you, I think
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  Speaker 2: you're Oh, doing for me. Oh, yeah. I yes. I and I'm telling him to suck it up, and I'm trying to do anything to fix my calf. I was doing parents versus kids soccer.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it was, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I believe the first time I did it about a month ago, I tore the bottom part of my calf, like below my calf, and spoke to a friend of ours that we know, a PA, and said, hey, I hurt myself. He said, can you point your toe? And I said, yes, I can. The issue is when I lift my toe up, said, okay, well, better than My understanding is I hurt something, but I hurt the better of the two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was checking you for Achilles rupture.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I thought, holy shit, I broke my Achilles. I went and I was like, oh, is my Achilles still there? I've never hurt my Achilles, and I was like, crap, it was cold. It was all that.
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  The next time, which happened, you know, four days ago, the wife said, you make sure you stretch, and Yeah. I stretched and did the whole routine, and went twice as long playing soccer, but I am 43 years old trying to run around with these little 12 year olds and did it again. I felt it. I was like, holy crap, is that was it my right calf? I I don't remember, but I feel like I was the right calf because I do have some, like, some little soreness in the back of my calf.
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  I still have it from a month ago. Yeah. I did the same damn injury to both legs.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I hate that phrase.
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  Speaker 2: Doing the same thing. So do I need peptide? Do I stick
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: stuff together? I would, without even, like, hesitation give you the peptides. I would do the VPC one five seven, Wolverine stack. I would, you know, I wouldn't even think twice. The difference really with kids, I mean, you just don't wanna do anything to interfere with their development.
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  If you think about how much you change from, like, day zero to two years old, you know, you see a rapid change. Or, like, when you shift into, your hormones and you become a teenager, your voice deepens if you're a male. Like, there's rapid change that happens, and so anything that you're giving would theoretically intercept those So what are we doing? Not sure. You know, the way I really like I said, just check more data.
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  So you could just check labs more often, like, how are the kidneys doing, are they impacted? Like, you could do that. The body's pretty pretty able to heal itself. Believe, you know, sometimes it needs a little bit of replacement of something, whether it's PPC, which is a healing compound, or rest or whatever. Like, it need a little bit goes a long way, especially when you're at that age.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I am taking testosterone. I don't know if we have public knowledge, but I'm not just built like this naturally.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: You might think you might think he's a stud.
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  Speaker 1: You're a teenager is what I was thinking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like, oh, he's got a teen body. No. The testosterone, obviously, based off of the doctor who educated, knowing that I could take the Wolverine stack and, you know
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  Speaker 1: Totally fine together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah, that feels well. And then the kid situation is just if it's, I think, the natural progression of, you know, me as, you know, was a teen and knowing that there's still a lot
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  Speaker 1: for Developmental Yeah, more development.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want to hinder that.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't
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  Speaker 2: want anything to be an issue, you know, do it today, and then there's an issue in ten years. Didn't want to be a part of that. Knowing that it's okay, it's not everything to excess. Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And theoretically, peptides are short acting. They're short term. How much can they really how much harm could you do in a long term platform? So, if you're comparing hormone replacement, which hormones cross into a cell, they control the DNA, like, if you're playing a video game I don't know how to play it, like this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even
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  Speaker 1: I had, like, a I don't know. Was imagining, like, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: or a Wii.
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  Speaker 1: Right? So if you have a substance that has access to the DNA, that's more permanent, that's more indefinite, that's more concerning and dangerous theoretically and more likely to, like, intercept in a very long term way some process of development. But if you're thinking peptides, they don't go into the DNA. They don't modify at that level.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Hormones like testosterone or estrogen or growth hormone, which, I mean, I take all of those. But, you know, those are supposed to be cycled. So so if I don't want to, as an adult, if I don't wanna shut down my body's ability to make those things, then in my case, I cycle. So you can really get away with hormones, things that can access the DNA of a cell, say, six weeks, eight weeks at a time before you should break. Or sometimes I'll do, like, a five days, Monday through Friday, and then off Saturday, Sunday.
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  So that still, that drop in the substance signals the body to step up and make.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, so you just don't do it for a long time, you give it a little jolt and then take it away Take it away. And let the body
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of ramp
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  Speaker 1: it up. So the cells stay alive, they keep the signal, the sensors are still there, the production system is still there because essentially, it's like a factory. And so if you don't keep up the maintenance, you don't keep the cells going, the mitochondria, which produce your energy, they will they'll shut down production. They'll go to sleep. It's called autophagy.
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  The clearance of those sleeping ones is autophagy. But if they're just sleeping, they're senescent. So, senescent sleeping cells are useless. They're just taking up real estate. There is no point, and that's like a guy standing in the way of a hallway.
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  Like, move. Move, dude. You walk through. So that's kind of a good way to think about it. And then if you're like, Okay, well, I'm taking all these supplements, and I don't care if I have to make it myself.
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  So, all right, great. So then those mitochondria kind of go to sleep. Now you wanna clear them. You wanna push this guy out the way. So that's where things like exercise is super important, that is good for turning like, moving debris and turning over cells, especially if they're useless and not working or needed.
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  The sauna, you know, just like Red light. Yeah, red light, exposure to extreme heat or cold plunges, and then you also get the feel good experience with those, but dopamine.
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  Speaker 2: But is our peptides, you know, guy talk? When somebody talks about peptides, hear that I don't go to the gym like I should, but when people start to know, oh, well, Justin does this or even testosterone, my understanding as somebody who's not a doctor was the bro talk was your base your testosterone's going lower and lower the older we get. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 1: There's a natural drop after the age of 35. Yes. Like significant, like a a water slide.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I understanding with the the people who I talked about, you you didn't give me my first dose of testosterone, but was your body's basically quote unquote dying. It's going down.
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  Speaker 1: And
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  Speaker 2: as a 15 year old, it's going up. I'm going down, and I'm trying to just keep it at that level.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great thing that you just said. Yeah. If you can imagine, like, when if I were to give a 15 year old testosterone, then the signal to keep making more, it would cap it. Mhmm. So what he has is what he has.
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  His development is what he is. And you know what would really So the main thing after you stop growing, because, like, say you reach, like, fifteen, seventeen, your growth plate fuses. The frontal lobe where your decision making is, where your higher executive functioning exists, that is dulled. Kind of like, I think about that and I'm like, I don't wanna I don't know. It seems super important.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And for this kid in question, I'm yeah, I'm not gonna do that because he needs an elope because, yeah, he he definitely needs that. Can I spitball a couple a couple, like, non non like, frequently asked questions or bro talk about Yeah? Testosterone? Yeah.
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  If I take testosterone, my body stops producing testosterone. Is that based off of how much I take, or am I
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  Speaker 1: It greatly reduces the amount that you make.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. And is that a if I'm not making any, I think when I first when I got tested, what is the scale? I guess, what is the scale for testosterone? I know that the women's the the women's scale is is lower. Correct?
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  Like, high testosterone, normal testosterone, what are where is that supposed to be?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I for for men, by reference range, normal medicine, boring lab, norms would be like 600 to 900.
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  Speaker 2: And that's normal?
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  Speaker 1: That's normal. Does it mean that people feel good at that range or that it's perfect for customized care. But if you're seeing a regular doctor and this is what your results come back as, then they'll say, Oh, you're good. And then there's probably no more conversation from there. So whether you feel good or you don't feel good, that's what it is.
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  Normal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. What is your magic number? Or I assume you can't box it all there, but if you saw
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 2: If you saw a 900, are you still thinking, hey, could probably be better, or how do you feel? Like you're saying, my number could have been 850, but I feel like shit.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: The number one thing that I always, always try to lead with is I'm treating the person, not the paper. So the labs are insightful, they're helpful, but they don't really give me the full decision. The full decision comes from the person.
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  Speaker 2: Conversation.
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  Speaker 1: How do you feel? Do you feel like you have mental clarity? Do you feel like your libido is good? Do you feel like you're working out? Are you lifting heavier?
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  I lift heavier with testosterone.
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  Speaker 2: How do you feel when somebody comes in like a person who doesn't? Like, there is those people that lift and work out and eat well, and then there's us, us, the others who are busy, dads, you know, can't, you know, maybe it might be golf. Golf is, you know, is my new thing, and I'm trying to make that health in my health in my healthy activity, but Yeah. When somebody comes in there, then they say, hey, I want testosterone, and you look at them, and you you obviously can tell that they're not at the gym regularly. It's just not in the cards for everybody.
• 18:36
  Not everybody's gonna be at the gym. Do you do you put them in a different box and try to help them get to a point?
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I'm a little aggressive. Okay. I'll tell you. You tell them
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: you gotta get in the gym or you're not gonna get any of this or
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: It depends on the person.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna go into you as the specimen at this moment, but I do have another client.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we're not talking about me. I'm asking for a friend.
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  Speaker 1: So, know, sometimes it means I do send people from my team out to that person whether they're not getting their shots because they're like, Oh, I forgot. Like, so inconsistent testosterone use is a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You have, like, other issues that come up with, like, estrogen, you know, rebound. But if it's failure to load your muscles, then I will it'll just be a very annoying, like, I won't go away. Like, we have to we have to, like, load your muscles. So sometimes sending a trainer to somebody is my next move, and it doesn't take long. It does not I mean, just say you did, like, ten, fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Something if you did that, it is tremendously more beneficial. Even, like, your your lifespan is gonna be more. So it's worth your time. So if you're like, oh, if I the act of going to the gym, I mean, there's pre gym anxiety, there's, like, procrastination that happens, like, there's just so many things. But even just the thought of you about to work out and then say you did work out for fifteen minutes, you just did, like, low reps.
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  So you did, you know, six to eight curls, and you did that three times, and you did maybe some some air squats. I mean, it does not take much.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: You can be calisthenics, Right? It doesn't Absolutely. Complete body weight. Yes. You can literally do it at home.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Literally do it at home. Make it a big deal, but you've got to do it. And so the I can't do it, I'm busy, all these things, I'm like, here's what I hear.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: We're not talking about me. Right?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: No. No. Friends.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. For my friend.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, but there's lots of people Yeah, like your lots of Yeah, And so I really it's part of, I guess, what I do to navigate that, and, like, as I hear in conversation things that keep kind of coming back up, I'm like, okay, so this is the barrier. I I try to identify the barriers. So if you're saying, well, I'm just busy, and and your schedule's erratic. Mhmm.
• 21:00
  Your friend's schedule's Right? In that scenario, so what could I What space could I find that's consistent for you? I mean, walking down the hallway
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It feels like you don't want You're not gonna find You're gonna find a place where there's not a no.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you fail.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You're gonna find Yes. Lay out your schedule, let me hear all the stuff you have to do. Yes.
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  And let's find a time where you can take ten minutes to do some body lunges.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Exactly. I mean, that's nothing. Yeah. That's nothing. I've wasted way more time.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I and I and I feel like as far as I've known you, and I've never been, you know, I'm not this person, but I assume that you're taking that you want this person to genuinely feel better, and you
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: know Absolutely. That
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  Speaker 2: magic peptide or a pill. There's not a magic pill.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, like, the peptides will help, and the testosterone will help. All these things will help, but you still, you need to put a little effort
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta what you put in, you get back.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because I mean, honestly, your success is my success. If you fail, then like we failed.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Mhmm.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, what? Okay, we're gonna get an a plus. And even even if we make like a b, that's better than the f you're trying to give yourself. So just, yeah, identifying those barriers and and people aren't you're not going you're not gonna get where you're trying to go or really make any traction just with one thing, one supplement, one injection, one product. It's going to be probably with a team, you know, surrounding yourself with the right recipe for success and giving your body the right tools for success.
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  One thing is not it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You definitely can't do 20 bad habits in a day or in a week and a month and fix it with one little thing.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Have
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: to kill some of those things off. I think it's impossible to do insanity. You can't do the same thing and expect a different result. So you have to change a little bit and maybe not for some of my, like, my friend, the weak minded friends, you know, it cut out, you know, maybe cut out eating late or eating a bad thing that I have is eating late. I love to eat late, and I and now I know that that is bad for me.
• 23:01
  My sleep has been bad for years, you know, from back and neck problems, but just why is my sleep so bad? Oh, well, I ate at nine Mhmm. And I'm going to bed at 09:30, 09:45, and my body is correct
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Mhmm.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Processing that food. So when I'm supposed to be sleeping, it's digesting food. Is that right or is that a myth or am I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: There's a lot to that. Is that
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  Speaker 2: a different topic?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think it is worthwhile to give it energy in a whole space, but the short version is it depends on the person. The major conversation is really asking what happens after I eat, and if I go to sleep, what happens when I go to sleep, and can these two things coexist together? So for some people, it might be helpful for them to sleep because you get insulin that goes up. It's called splanchnic dilation. You get your blood vessels that dilate.
• 23:57
  They give more blood to the stomach and digestion, rest and digest. Some people, like, a bowl of cereal or eating late makes them go to sleep, and it's that splanchnic dilation and the insulin that makes them feel sleepy.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. I feel sleepy, but, you I eat some food, I eat a sandwich, I feel sleepy, but is that helping my sleep? Is the sleep better
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: because Well, of okay, so your sleep might be good. Okay? So say it helps in the sleep performance category, like, feel like that helps me go to sleep and stay asleep, but in the space of longevity and efficiency and performance and your next day. So so it it takes away from that. Yeah.
• 24:39
  Just like I mean, I think that there's a really good podcast I listened to by this he's a neuroscientist, but essentially, you're always kind of balancing, like, okay, I have this long, this many years that I'm genetically predisposed to live, and my lifestyle counts for, you know, the range of, like, say, five to twenty years that you could add on or take away. Because you can live hard, die young. You can, you know, live slower, live longer. But you're always kind of thinking, like, against that. Insulin that is spiked and and that remains higher, you live shorter.
• 25:22
  A lower insulin, you live longer. Lower glucose, you live longer. You sleep more deeply, you live longer. If you clear out your cells more and have a healthier mitochondria with more autophagy, you live longer.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I think sleep's a whole different topic because there's a lot
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of Totally is.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: The getting up and going pee as a 40 year old and
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Cross state. That with friends?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my friend says he wakes up and goes to the bathroom a lot,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: so Okay.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And I know that's not regular, you know, anything. And some people, like, let's just say, it's me, let's just say, like, I wake up, I drink a big glass of water to go to bed because I feel like, oh, that's when I really take my water in is right before I go to bed. Why? I don't know because I don't drink water during the day. Like, my business partner literally has to give me brings me water while we're on set because I don't drink
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: water. That used to be me, yeah.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: And I just don't. I'm like, I don't need water, and then, like, yes, I know that's bad. I understand that's bad, and my daughter bought me a nice little Awala that I carry around, but
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I Sounds cute. A Awala, what is it?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: It's an Awala. It's like the I
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: even look that up
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: right Yeah, it's like everybody has them.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I could think of having Owala.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Owala's, and they're great because you can it's a straw, but also you can drink out of like a normal Like
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a sippy cup?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's basically like an adult sippy cup, but it also, you can drink out of it this way, but then if you don't want It
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: comes up as a baby something, okay, I must be listening.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: A wallow.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: How do you spell it?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: A. Shit. I think if you just look, yeah, I think there's a w, yeah.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, wallow. Wallow. A w.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But, you know, she bought me one of those, and I've had it for two years, and I usually will have it with me, but I think carrying it with you isn't as good as drinking out of it, like, So carrying it around with
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: my partner has an Awala, and I didn't know that that's what an Awala was or that it's a thing. The colors are great on it.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: The colors are great, yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: It doesn't fit into any cup holder heat drops.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Well, they do make, if you shop on Amazon or they do make adapters for that, which is a big old pain in the ass, but an adapter for that. Any water canteen doesn't fit in anything normal. Wall's not gonna fit in something that could fit into.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: So I think the water intake, yes, drinking water before bed because I just feel like I want to. It's right by the bed, and I drink it, and I wake up three times. And then
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Do you have your phone on you?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: No. Oh.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: What time do you wake up?
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I wake up at I wake I wake up multiple times a night, but when I wake up, it's 05:30.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: But I wake up constant, wake up, you know
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: The pillow between the legs. If we weren't talking about sleep, the pillow between the Oh, legs goes back sleep the back. The back and then here. Wake up, touch my phone. Crap, it's a I go to bed at nine to ten, sometimes.
• 28:08
  I know that I have other questions, try to go to bed at the same time, like a routine. And I read that, I was like, oh, makes sense. Go to bed at the same time all the time if you can. Go to bed, call it 10:00.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: That's better for your circadian rhythm.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: So go to bed at ten, I wake up, I feel like I've been asleep for hours, I roll over, I test my phone, it's two hours.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: That's right. Okay.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like what time is it? Because is it right before I have to wake up or what the effing time is it? So I go and click and then I'm back and forth and I'm grabbing my pillow, that long pillow that's right on the side of the bed, put it in between the legs, roll over, toss and turn, and maybe possibly go to the bathroom. The bathroom trips have been less than, but they definitely are still there. It's just one of those things where I think I can hold it, but I have two more hours of sleep, I'd rather just get this out of me and then try to relax.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: It's such a habit to grab the phone and check. It is such a habit, and it's such a bad one. I mean, every time that happens, I would think of that as toxic. It literally is toxic because you ruin your melatonin search, and then just in every loop of that circadian pattern is just like you've just murdered Yeah,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: and you have to start again.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean, to think of it in that extreme is like, it seems crazy, but now that we're here and, like, there's such a problem, I I have trouble too, just, like, resting, chilling, sitting.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Being bored?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Being I don't even know what is this. Yeah. So, I mean, just the touching of the phone, looking at the time, and then, you know, say you just stopped doing that part and you just slept through the whole night, well, what would that look like? Well, drinking water in the morning, so what would that look like? Because you can't think about it.
• 30:00
  Well, just wake up, and that's the first thing that you do. So set an alarm on your phone, like, you have your wake up alarm, then you have your water alarm.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: How is your sleep? How do you oh, okay, well, last thing before, because I'd like to hear your opinion. Dreaming. I used to dream a lot as a child and twenties, like vivid dreams. Not a lot of weird dreams, but dreams, and my son will wake up and he's like, dad, I had this dream.
• 30:23
  I'm like, mother, I haven't dreamt ever. And the only time I actually remember dreaming is waking up, checking my phone, and going back to bed for forty five minutes, and then boom, I remember my dream. I feel like that's when I remember my dream.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I will remember a dream maybe two or three times a year now, and I feel like I don't even dream anymore. I don't feel like I get to that point where my body even starts to dream.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: And then I'm waking up constantly. Waking up two to five times a night, going to the bathroom maybe once or twice and not dreaming. I'm like, what is your sleep like? I know how my wife sleeps. She sleeps like a damn rock.
• 30:57
  How do you sleep?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I don't well, okay, so
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: don't sleep at all.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: No, I I do. No, sleep, no. Sleep, I sleep eight hours, seven to eight hours. I am a tyrant on myself now about sleep, and if I break my own rules with myself of going to bed, say it's 09:30 and I'm not in bed, I hate myself and I'm like, I failed. And so that is, like, my new protected space because that's your longevity, that's when you
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: body fixes it. I feel like your body fixes yourself, that's where all that happens. Yeah. Do you put your phone away Yes. Tried, do you put your phone away an hour before or forty five At length before you go to bed, not here, here, here, I'm on the phone, drop it on my head, oh crap, now I have go to to bed, put it down and go straight to bed.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my phone is down, I don't look at it past nine usually, maybe 09:30 if I'm really slacking on my own rule, but, you know, to answer that question, I have had to look at this ring to better answer for myself because
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: What is that called?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: This is a RingCon.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Okay. R
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: A N G
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: C Kinda the whoop strap, but
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: it's a ring. The whoop. I think the whoop is more stylish, but this is good. If I'm working out, I don't like how it feels with weights in my hands, but, yeah, I think I would have said subjectively that I sleep great prior to me getting a tyrant on myself. But I feel great and I sleep well, it's not a problem, it's something else is wrong, right?
• 32:26
  But then after I got this and I actually looked at the real dad of my sleep, it was atrocities. I was like, I had, I don't know, maybe six to seven hours or often even four to five hours of light sleep. That's like, that's a sham. That's a joke. I was just, that is not no one's healing.
• 32:44
  No one's getting brain health in that.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You wanna get to REM? Is that
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: You want, ideally, four hours first four hours are gonna be your deep, restorative sleep, and you wouldn't dream in that. And then the second four hours is really where you REM, and if you're depleted on sleep, or if you're depleted in really, like, your prior REMs, you didn't have enough REM sleep, or you didn't have enough deep restorative, then you won't make it all the way to the REM sleep. This is a space where you really see dreams, and you have, like, longer, like, pulses of REM, and then they shorten. The next cycle is a little shorter, the next one's a little shorter, and this is the shorter. And this is the one that you usually, like, wake up from.
• 33:23
  And it's really weird because in sleep, your body is really, like, releasing these chemicals that paralyze you, and then they unparalyze you. Paralyze you? Unparalyze you. And some people with the disorder, they get paralyzed and they wake up.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: And they can't move.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: And they can't move. That's a hypnagogic state. It looks awful. I don't have it, but that would suck. But anyway, so I was not having that, you know, proper sleep.
• 33:52
  Was just all in, like, the light sleep zone that's garbage. Yeah. It's like a little cat nap. Mhmm. My cat?
• 33:58
  No. So I just I had to really, like, work on it. And certain things, like melatonin, can make you dream more. Mhmm. They don't do that for everybody, but I would say it probably does that for me.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I did Ambien a long time ago.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Did you like it?
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I was asleep
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: for the
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: whole night. I didn't feel rested. I felt like it just put me to bed and just kept me there, and then I woke up. The issue for me is waking up tired.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's the worst. Hangover. Nope. Or really probably just like you didn't have the deep restorative.
• 34:32
  You probably okay. Not probably.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Not drinking. I'm talking about going to bed, tired, exhausted, waking up, and still feeling tired.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: You stayed essentially in the light sleep zone, the one that I was in.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's where I live. Don't feel like I'm in REM. Is a common thing for people nowadays, or is it just based off of just?
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Think it's easier to achieve light sleep if we're saying like what is more challenging, what do people struggle with the most. They're going to struggle more with the deep restorative sleep to like drop in because like if you close your eyes, that's like alpha sleep, And if you drop into your first layer of sleep, beta sleep, you want delta sleep. That's like it's a different wavelength. If neurology has got, like, little stickers on your head
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Delta, you can track it. It's deep sleep. The waves of your brain are different. Your mitochondria respond different. Your energy shifts differently.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Is it all I'm a are you a deep sleeper, or are you, like, do you catnap? Do you wake
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I up never nap.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: No. Well, like, when you sleep, you know, one little crick at the door.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Could something, like, pull me out of deep sleep? I if I'm, like, in my usual, like, proper
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Proper normal
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, then if it's, like, probably early in the morning, then I might hear it, but otherwise I would probably be more in the deep sleep.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel like I'm a weird case because I don't feel rested, but I am a deep sleeper, and I'm that person, like I know there's some people that take a while to kinda get into sleep, I'm a put my head down, like my wife is like brushing her teeth, babe, let's wait up for me, I literally close my eyes, I'm out, I am out.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: That's such a life skill.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can sleep anywhere if I but had I also, like I've been notoriously bad at falling asleep at parties, like full blown house parties, and I'm just done, I'm tired.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I used to do that.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, literally there was a house party that I'm thinking about, We were at a party, there was 40 people there. I think it was like New Year's Eve, and I literally went to the living room, laid on the couch, I slept all the way through it, and people came up, took photos of me, I was out. I would not wake up for that, but when it's time to actually sleep and get really good sleep, I just can't. My kids are yelling, screaming, did you hear the bang? I don't wake up.
• 36:47
  I do not wake up. I'm probably not a good home invasion. We're screwed, but I like I get that rest. So I get to sleep fast, I sleep deep, I feel like it's a deep sleep, but I don't feel like it's restorative, like you're saying.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So if a patient like you came in, I would just have to get more data, so I would say
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Sleep study? Do you do a sleep study? Do you send them?
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: You can, you can, but
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You like sleep studies
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: as doctor? Yeah, yeah. And we actually do them at phase one. So if you saw the rooms with the beds
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I saw the beds.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: We have all the equipment.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I asked her about that because I'm, you know, I had some we can talk off
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: last night
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: because, yeah, want somebody to poke and prod and figure out what real, because I feel like I can tell you how I feel or the things that I'm doing, I could be even just not making that up and not giving you exactly the right info,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's in the subjective category.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. It could be subjective. Yeah. Yeah, didn't know they did that. What is Yep, phase
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: it's clinical trials. So we do pharmaceutical clinical trials. We have different durations in different pharmas that we work with. The premise basically kind of changes slightly based on which company we're working with. They could run anywhere from five weeks to twenty weeks.
• 38:02
  It just depends which one.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: So clinical, you're testing meds and seeing how they actually work?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's medication, sometimes it's just monitoring, looking at everybody's waves or their oxygen, snoring, sometimes there are behavioral studies, it just depends.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: We could talk about snoring.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, snoring is a major part of poor sleep.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Sleep apnea, you know?
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Apnea. So it's very relevant to when the conversation of how am I sleeping, why don't I feel great. So just everything that you told me now that I would look at your I would ask to see your data from your I'd be like, Okay, I hear you subjectively. This is how you feel, and this is what your behaviors are, but when you come back in one week, let me see your watch data or your whatever your device is. Yeah.
• 38:51
  So we'd look at that.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Before you go on, the the the ring, the watch, watch, the band
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Mhmm.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: There are I do have an app. I don't use it much anymore, but I do have an app where you lay by you, and it's not connected to you, but it can it can hear me grinding my teeth. It can hear me
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: snoring. Grinder?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's a lot. There's a lot to it.
• 39:10
  We're gonna unpack all that later. But do you like is there one that to me, as as a non doctor or a non clinician, it would be nice to be able to say, Here, take the ring, take the WHOOP, I'm gonna send it home with you. Want you to track yourself for thirty days and come back to me. I'm sure that is not as good as sending them to phase one and they do the sleep study, which is
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's for different purposes. So I think, you know, you can still get really good data just from a device, and in fact, I have affiliate links. Mean, like the RingCon, I like the Whoop, I have
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: So you can make money when I buy this?
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I would. I would make Yeah. Sometimes I just give I get discounts, right, for people that I send, but you
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: should But you believe in it, though.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I believe in it. I obviously
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: If you're using it, yeah, if you're using
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: It changed my life, so the fact that I just was I'm a doctor and I'm in this field and I was the one telling my doctor I sleep great, and then I was just, like, grossed out with the results of light sleep. Like, I'm a hypocrite. So, no, I felt like a total hypocrite. But anyway, I changed it, and in my case, I don't have structural issues of my breathing, airway, so that I and I don't snore, okay? I've asked.
• 40:25
  I've asked I don't snore.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask Chris. Pass the videos, like But
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I did evaluate, you know, myself for that, and even, like, with your device, like my Ring, it'll show my oxygen levels. So if I have moments where I'm not breathing, that'd be sleep apnea. And so really less than 88% for a period of time, that's a problem. You know, you're you're losing brain cells. Your sleep quality is terrible, and, obesity is a major side effect of that.
• 40:57
  High blood pressure. Really, can trace back a lot of comorbidities to that. So diabetes, metabolic issues, PCOS, infertility. There's so much. So really, like, I would say that'd be square one.
• 41:11
  Like, optimize your sleep. Are you sleeping? Yeah. How do you know? Check your data.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I think the next time we do this, I think because we're gonna glaze over a lot of topics, and I think most people want, at least in my circles, the sleep. Think really talking about sleep, but in the story, there's so many different, and then the devices, the tape, the tapes, the apnea machines, the devices that you kinda get sucked into, the straps, which I've done them all as a self diagnosed, I've done them. I've done tape, I've done the things, so those are nice. Then I think a lot with where we're at in society and the world now, you know, stress. Stress, I feel like stress Oh,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: huge, yeah. Cortisol is Business owner.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Kids, father, so I feel like cortisol is a thing that I've been kinda looking into, which I don't know enough to talk about it, but I feel like I have a lot of that, whatever that is. I think that would be a topic for her. I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: think the shortest version, just since you said cortisol, cortisol is good. I feel like so far the conversation has been how bad it is. We need it. What
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: is it?
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: So cortisol is a hormone. Considered a stress hormone, but really, you think about it, it's like, that is it should be high in the morning and low, like kind of an s, and then low at night when you go to bed. When you rise up from sleep, you have, like, an energy boost, and then it, you know, it tells your body to wake up, and that makes you feel alert.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: It's It's not like adrenaline, or is it like adrenaline?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: It can't it does act on adrenaline. So and, you know, it's just one of those things, like, you don't want high levels of that when you're sleeping. Yeah. If you had a sustained cortisol, then you would be looking into, like, burning out your adrenals. Like, then you're always, like, stimulating the energy, like, fight or flight signal, and then you get more fat oxidation, and fat oxidation really just means, like, you're sending, like, all of these energy particles to just trash randomly your your mitochondria.
• 43:17
  Yeah. So it's like the it's not good. It's good until it's bad. So if you have all of these signals to fight or flight and to go and to just push through this moment, you're not gonna just rest and sleep.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: What is if somebody has high cortisol, is it high body fat? Because I feel like the cortisol belly, like, it's, like, I don't have a beer belly, but I'm definitely not as fit as I was. I'm definitely not as fit as I was back then, but it's like, oh, my stomach's not soft. It's just hard, but then I'm like, oh, it's not hard because it's a six pack.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It might be
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: like a lot of cortisol. Is that
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of mixing of things there, but so if you think of everything as a signal, cortisol is a signal. It's a hormone signal, and it does direct fat to certain parts of the body. So if you see somebody who has a chronic state of high cortisol, you will see fat directed to the belly and to this little hump. You ever
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: It's not like a little hump. So they have sustained high levels of cortisol. So that means it breaks down fat here and sends it here and makes it central, central obesity.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I know some people that are like that, and is that you have it, or can it be passed down, or is it like my family has high blood pressure, or is it case by case, person by person?
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I would say most times it's really lifestyle. And in general, can think of it too like this, like there's ninetyten, so 10% is your genetics, 90% is epigenetics, so outside of what your family gives
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: you. Okay.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Does that help?
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and so for cortisol, like if you if you have a spike in your cortisol, like and you can get that just from, like, sprinting, like, gives you a spike. But if you have that, I mean, that does that tells your immune system to boost up. So you do temporarily boost your immune system, so it does help you.
• 45:15
  But if you don't if you just sustain in that region, then you burn out, right? Then it's like now you're in a chronic inflammatory state, you no longer have the helper cells that were now helping because they've died. Now you just have chronic inflammation. So it's like the aftermath of sustained cortisol that is problematic, and it also intercepts with all of your normal circuits. So, like, your circadian pattern, histamine can be also a trigger for cortisol.
• 45:48
  So it becomes bad very quickly when it's not spiking at the right time and stopping at the right time.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I can't remember who told me. Somebody within the last month or six weeks basically told me that they do not, they don't talk about anything stressful or important after 05:00 in the afternoon or six.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Do.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: It's like, hey, we're not gonna talk about life changes. We're, like, we'll
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: talk No about decisions.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No decisions are life threatening because, like, I I this is not the right time. Either tired, and I cannot further live from remembering who told me this, but I was like,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: that makes
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of sense. It might have been you shit, or it could have been you. It makes a lot of sense. Like, I'm not gonna do anything at this time because it will jeopardize, you know, maybe I'm tired, I had a long day, and I might not make a really sound decision, but then also, like, I gotta go to bed in four hours, and we're gonna have a stressful conversation about life and kids and marriages and blah and blah and blah, and then all of a sudden then I have to go to bed, and then that's gonna screw up my sleep, which my sleep is already screwed. But I've kind of defaulted to like, let's talk about tomorrow.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Totally. I think timing is everything.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Can you tell my wife? Can you tell my wife to not I will,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I know her. She's my friend, I'll tell her.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Tell her do not bring up anything in porn after 05:00.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: You didn't tell her yet? I tried. Because I tell that I genuinely, like, that's one of my rules for behavioral modifications, so don't look at your phone even. Even if, like, I get it, I'm a doctor, I know maybe this is the most important text or call. It might be, but they need to call 911.
• 47:14
  Because you
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: have to worry about yourself too.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I can't just, yeah. I'm can't tell other people. You can't tell them too early.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You can't tell me to do it Yes. And then not do. You you have to do it also.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Have to practice what I preach, and I'm really working to be diligent with that because I want to walk the walk, talk the talk, and teach people that they can do it. You can be an entrepreneur. You can you can have all these other categories that you perform in, but you can't sustain your performance in these categories and keep, you know, borrowing energy over here. Mhmm. Like, the Red Bulls are gonna stop working.
• 47:46
  Mhmm. Like, the classic, oh, I could have coffee at midnight. That doesn't do anything to me. You know how many times I hear that? I'm like, You know what?
• 47:53
  You have a problem.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm definitely that person. I always say that I don't I don't need the energy drink. Yeah. I just like the taste.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Well, that was me, too.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I do like the taste, though.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I love the taste, But now I don't touch them. I see that as poison.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Like the poison. It's so good. The fruity, it's so fruity and good. And coffee. I love coffee, but I feel like it's habitual now.
• 48:17
  Just do it just for and I don't feel like it gives me a pick me up. I have a cup today, but I think it's just a routine. It's that thing that I do. It reminds me of my dad, the smell of the coffee I do with my wife. We drink a cup of coffee, maybe two.
• 48:29
  Yeah. But then it's on to I don't know. I've been getting better about the Red Bulls and the drinks. I don't do Red Bulls, but I just love the taste, and I just like, if I can find something that I can do and just I don't know. It's habit.
• 48:39
  It's habit forming, it's gross that I know I shouldn't be doing it, and then No. It's how much
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: okay, caffeine is not gross. Caffeine is
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Coffee is not gross. But what's interesting is I did a gut health test, I used Viome, and I feel like out of all of them so far, that one's my favorite. It kind of makes it very clear, like, eat this, never eat this, eat a lot of this. And so, yeah, so coffee was on my list of never, and I was like, Oh, my God, that's so rude. I mean, in my case, I actually don't mind now learning that because I use a substitute.
• 49:17
  I don't know where you put those bags. Yeah, I use a that's like mushrooms ground
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: So not the weird ones, but like coffee. So that's my coffee substitute.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Is that what's in that?
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Yes. Ashwagandha, lion's mane, and then the creamer is collagen powder, protein, so altogether it's like 10 grams of protein and no sugar.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: That's a little funky.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Think it's
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe because it's cold now. Maybe because Yeah. Yeah, but
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny?
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't wanna
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: It's say what it smells like, but better than all of the other options. Most of them do taste like dirt. But for me, this was a good substitute. You can try it. It's like a cold coffee.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: It tastes like watered down coffee.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It smells worse than it tastes.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: It's got a little pee pee smell to it. It's got a smell it's got a it's got a smell if you be subjective and just smell it, it's got a little urine smell
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: And is that the creamer that you're putting in it, or is it the mushrooms? It's got
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: a I little pee don't touch creamer. This
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: is a
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: collagen powder when
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: It's collagen. I don't know. Smells It's probiotic. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about the brand, but it smells like
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: NBCAAs.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: So that could be it. Well, maybe it's because it's cold and I just, I don't know, but
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, well, god, we're going over so many topics.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We can always sort them out and, you know, watch episodes, but
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: The coffee's great. I know coffee black is the way you're supposed to take it. I can do that.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Sometimes that's harmful, too. If it's too acidic or if you have reflux or if you have, like, a gastritis or you take too much ibuprofen, like, it can be bad too.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: What about the synthetic creamers, fat? I do the sugar They don't. Have sugar
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: free
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: French vanilla, the big jug that's this big. Yeah. I love that.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: It's poison, and I feel like you're you're feeding your your microbiome, like, little the bad ones that are
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: still I substitute it with kimchi, though. Eat kimchi after, though.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Kimchi is good for some, but not all, and I used to really think it was good for all.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: What would you replace because so, yes, the wife and I do the sugar free because we feel like it's better. It's Should we just do the standard stuff if you have to pick Standard. Standard, non sugar free? Yeah. I love Diet Coke.
• 51:34
  If you say I can't have my Diet Coke, you're gonna get punched.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I would later remove that from there so I don't get punched, and maybe you just are it's a better time.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the sugar free thing is weird because you feel better about it, but drink more of it, and I know the aspartame and all, I know that those things aren't great for us.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: It's really not even that. It's more just feeding the bad flora, the bad bacteria that exist in your stomach. You cannot have sugar free Diet Coke or anything sugar free and still feel like not bloated. You will have bloat, period. Bloat.
• 52:06
  So this does not have a sugar free component to it. I just wanted to add, this is just not sweet.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Is there calories in that? Is there, like, normal calories?
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Low calories. Cal. But but really, like, you're adjusting your cravings. You're adjusting your sugar tolerance or intolerance, that that thing that, like, makes you feel a little bit of dopamine. Like, oh, this is a reward.
• 52:30
  It tastes good, like carb craving. You adjust that sensor so that if you have something that, say, is the same level of sweetness that you have now, you'll think it's gross later. You do, like, go through, like, a detox process, That's okay. You know, you're always choosing your poison. There's, like, a little
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: bit of that fish short.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: It is. Yolo. You can make it longer.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: But who wants to be 85? I would rather have a really good 65 than, like, the last 15 my grandpa, I don't know if I ever told you that my grandpa lived to 101. It was 101.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: So you better clean it up because that's gonna be a long stretch between, what was this age?
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: 65.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: 65 and 100. Like, that's gonna suck right here. This is the space I'm talking about.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Grandpa Bob did do really well with, like, riding his bike and exercising. He actually got hit by a car on his bike at, like, 85 and still rode his bike. Got his license taken away, like, in his nineties because he kept hitting shit, but, you know, he was a and he was a Marine, you know, he was in the Navy. He was, like, a solid a solid guy. My dad's still around.
• 53:31
  He's kicking. He's, you know, in sixties and doing well, but was a smoker forever, so we'll see how that goes. Yeah. But, yeah, I think I think having some remnants of a nice life.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, so let me add to that. We're adding vitality. That's the whole point of me, feel like, vitality, because I'm working with all these old people who, they live past that age of, as you said, I just wanna live a good life at 65. Okay, well, after that, what's your plan? That's where I'm kind of targeting is that the future you so that your last one to three decades are comfortable and you feel good.
• 54:10
  And you can have your bike accident because you're riding a bike. Mhmm. Because other grandpas can't even ride their bike.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Yep. That's what
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I want it to look like.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: That camera's gonna die, so Well, there we should because that was only supposed to be meant for, like, an hour, so
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Well, it was a great chat, and we have a lot more to touch on, so thank you for being a sport and sitting in the chair.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Thanks for helping me.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: More to come.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Awesome. Thanks.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: All right.