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Mega Edition: Doug Band And His Epstein Related Congressional Transcript (Part 8-11) (10/5/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: left off with Doug Band and his interview with Congress.
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Question and Mr. Band, just to follow up on that. Answer, sure. Question,
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  Speaker 1: who's Alan Dershowitz? Answer, Alan Dershowitz is a, who is
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: he today? I don't know how he would describe himself.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a lawyer. He's a friend of President
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  Speaker 1: Clinton's from Martha's Vineyard from the 90s. When I was
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  Speaker 1: staffing the president, I met Alan. Question, and what's your
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  Speaker 1: relationship to Alan Dershowitz? Answer, I don't recall talking to
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  Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz in the last 10 to 15 years, or
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  Speaker 1: maybe even well beyond that. I don't know. I don't
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  Speaker 1: have any relationship with Mr. Dershowitz. Question, what was your
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  Speaker 1: understanding of Mr. Dershowitz's relationship to Epstein? Answer, I have
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  Speaker 1: no idea or knowledge of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've read things and heard things again in
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  Speaker 1: recent years, but I don't think I remember or know. Question,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever discussed allegations of sexual abuse against Mr. Dershowitz?
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  Speaker 1: With Mr. Dershowitz? Answer, no. Mr. Lynch, Mr. Band, how
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  Speaker 1: many times did you fly on Mr. Epstein's aircraft? Band,
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall. I think again, from in preparation for today,
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  Speaker 1: seeing the flight logs, I flew on the plane staffing
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  Speaker 1: President Clinton several times. Mr. Lynch, several meaning more than five? Band,
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  Speaker 1: I believe so. Lynch, more than 10? Band, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the exact number, but yeah, I think so. Mr. Lynch,
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  Speaker 1: more than 10? Banned, I think so, yeah. Lynch, okay,
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  Speaker 1: more than 15? Banned, I believe so. The logs, well, again,
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  Speaker 1: the logs were written by someone else, but I believe
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  Speaker 1: I was staffing the president on various trips, and those
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  Speaker 1: had different legs of them, so yes. Mr. Lynch, more
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  Speaker 1: than 20? Banned, I don't know. Lynch, you said a few,
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  Speaker 1: and we're over 15 already. Banned, I said several, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Lynch, you said several, we're over 15. Banned, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the exact number. Lynch, okay. Ban, this
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  Speaker 1: is a long time ago. Lynch, in any of those flights,
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  Speaker 1: 15 flights, were there young women on the plane? Ban,
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  Speaker 1: not that I recall. Lynch, do you have any first-hand
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  Speaker 1: knowledge of Epstein's relationship with any of the following individuals?
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  Speaker 1: And if yes, what was your understanding of that relationship?
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  Speaker 1: Sultan Ahmed bin Suleiman. Ban, no. Howard Lutnick. Ban, no.
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  Speaker 1: Paolo Zampoli. Ban, no. Do you know him? Ban, I
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  Speaker 1: met him many, many years ago. I don't have a
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  Speaker 1: relationship with him. and again, subsequently, read about the things
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  Speaker 1: in recent times. Mr. Lynch, but you don't know what
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  Speaker 1: the nature of his relationship with Epstein would be. Band,
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  Speaker 1: no sir, I do not. Lynch, Robert F. Kennedy, currently
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  Speaker 1: the secretary of HHS. Band, I don't know. Question, you
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  Speaker 1: have to answer yes or no. Band, I'm sorry. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Lynch, Kathy Rumler. Band, no. Question, was she
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  Speaker 1: employed with the president at the same time you were there? Band,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Lynch, Was she employed with the president at
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  Speaker 1: the same time you were there? Banned Kathy Rumler? Lynch? Yeah. Banned?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know her. I don't think she ever worked
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  Speaker 1: for President Clinton. Lynch? She was a White House counsel. Banned?
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  Speaker 1: Not for the president. Lynch? Steve Bannon? Banned? No. Leo Botstein? No.
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  Speaker 1: Noam Chomsky? No. The journalist Michael Wolff? No. How about
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Ferguson? No. Former Duchess of York? No. How about
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  Speaker 1: Peter Mandelson? A British politician? No. Kimball Musk? No. Question,
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  Speaker 1: so you don't know any connection between him and Epstein? Banned,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't know who that is. Lynch, Elon
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  Speaker 1: Musk's brother? Banned, no. Mr. Lynch, Martin Nowak, Harvard professor
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  Speaker 1: of mathematics and biology? Banned, no. How about Richard Branson
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  Speaker 1: of Virgin Group, Virgin Atlantic? No. How about the magician
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  Speaker 1: David Copperfield? No. How about David Blaine? No. How about
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  Speaker 1: Frederick Fokai? No. Henry Drecke? No. Stephen Hansen? No. Jean-Luc Brunel. No. Mr. Lynch.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever been on an aircraft with him? Brunel.
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  Speaker 1: I know he's a frequent flyer as well. Band. I
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  Speaker 1: don't recall ever being on an aircraft with him. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know who that is. Mr. Lynch. Okay. Alan Dershowitz. Band. No.
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  Speaker 1: Glenn Dubin. No. Ehud Barak. No. Mr. Lynch. That's all
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  Speaker 1: I have. Redacted. We'll stop there and go off the record. Mr. Harness,
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  Speaker 1: we'll go back on the record. Mr. Grant, before we begin,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to note for the record that Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Khanna and Mr. Perry were both present in the last
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  Speaker 1: hour and did not ask any questions. Question, Mr. Band,
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  Speaker 1: by Mr. Harness. I would like to enter into the
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  Speaker 1: record Majority Exhibit 2. This is a message, Shane, on
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  Speaker 1: April 21st, 2002, from the WJC email address to Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell's email address. It's marked with Bates number, EFTA, 0-2-3-3-5-6-0-7.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you a minute to look that over. Mr. Band,
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  Speaker 1: looking at the bottom message from the WJC email address,
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  Speaker 1: it reads, by the way, the social matchmaker part is
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  Speaker 1: pretty right on. I would have told them that you
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  Speaker 1: are my pimp, but that at the same time, you
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  Speaker 1: are my lover. Mr. Band, did you write this message? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall that message. Question, but it's from the
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  Speaker 1: WJC email address. So did you write the message? Answer, well,
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  Speaker 1: as I said, I don't recall sending it. And here
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  Speaker 1: it just looks like it says, you wrote. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know who you is. I'm not trying to be argumentative.
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  Speaker 1: Miss Mace, is it that you don't recall or that
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  Speaker 1: it didn't happen? Banned, I don't recall whether it happened
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  Speaker 1: or not. Mace, did your lawyers advise you to say
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  Speaker 1: you don't recall anything you didn't want to discuss today? Shapiro,
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  Speaker 1: don't discuss the legal advice your lawyers give you. Miss Mace,
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  Speaker 1: do you have a law degree? Banned, yes, ma'am. Mace,
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  Speaker 1: is that what they teach you in law school? That
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  Speaker 1: you don't recall? Mr. Green, I'm sorry, what was the question?
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  Speaker 1: Miss Mace, is that what they teach you in law school?
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  Speaker 1: Tell your clients you don't recall when you don't want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about something? Is that what they teach you
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  Speaker 1: in law school? Where did you go to law school? Band,
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  Speaker 1: I went to Georgetown, ma'am. Miss Mace, okay, do dumb
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  Speaker 1: people go to Georgetown? Mr. Band, I don't know. Nancy Mace,
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  Speaker 1: do you have to be smart to get into Georgetown? Band,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not the Georgetown admissions office, I don't know. Miss Mace,
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  Speaker 1: what was your LSAT score to get into Georgetown? Banned.
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  Speaker 1: I did not do well on my LSAT, as I recall.
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  Speaker 1: Miss Mace, what did you graduate? You graduated, right? So
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  Speaker 1: you had passing scores. What were your grades? A's, B's, C's, F's? Banned.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember. I went part-time at law school. I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a very present student because I was working full-time.
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  Speaker 1: Miss Mace, are you saying that you're dumb? Banned. No, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just answering your questions. Miss Mace, do you have
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  Speaker 1: memory issues? Have you been diagnosed with any memory recall
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  Speaker 1: issues by a health practitioner? Mr. Ban, no. Mace, okay,
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  Speaker 1: do you have any memory issues? Ban, not that I
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  Speaker 1: know of. Ms. Mace, how old are you? Mr. Ban, 53. Ms. Mace, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Question by Mr. Harness. Did you ever refer to Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: as your pimp? Answer, I don't recall ever referring to
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  Speaker 1: her as such. Question, but again, this is from the
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  Speaker 1: WJC email address that you wrote to Ms. Maxwell outside
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  Speaker 1: of this email. Did you ever refer to Ms. Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: as your pimp? Answer, I don't ever recall referring to
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  Speaker 1: her as that. Question, did you ever refer to her
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  Speaker 1: as your lover? Answer, I don't recall referring to her
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  Speaker 1: as that. Question, I would like to introduce Majority Exhibit 3.
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  Speaker 1: This is two separate email chains that have been compiled
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  Speaker 1: by the committee. The first chain with the Bates number
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  Speaker 1: EFTA 00011434 and the second with the Bates number EFTA 00581829.
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  Speaker 1: First email ending in 1434 is between you and Ms. Maxwell,
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  Speaker 1: but does not include a date. However, the second email,
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  Speaker 1: which is just the same message as the first email
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  Speaker 1: that's forwarded by Ms. Maxwell to Philip Levine, was sent
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  Speaker 1: on September 17th, 2001. I'll give you a minute to
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  Speaker 1: review that. Question, just looking at the second sentence again
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  Speaker 1: from the first email ending 1434, the second sentence reads,
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  Speaker 1: From Ms. Maxwell to your personal GSA.gov account. When we
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  Speaker 1: are all back in New York, the plan is to
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  Speaker 1: do dinner. We'll have the slutty Spanish girl, which will
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  Speaker 1: be nicely counterbalanced by the cool, poised Swedish type. Mr. Band,
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  Speaker 1: did you receive this message from Ms. Maxwell? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: don't recall this message at all. Question, did you receive
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  Speaker 1: it from Ms. Maxwell? Answer, as I said, I didn't recall.
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall this message or ever receiving it. Ms.
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: Mace jumps in again. Do you believe you have any
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  Speaker 1: reason to think that this document's not accurate? Band, I
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  Speaker 1: don't have any reason to believe it is or isn't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you I don't recall it. Miss Mace,
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  Speaker 1: is it that you don't recall it, or it didn't happen? Band,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, as you said, I don't recall receiving it.
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  Speaker 1: Miss Mace, so you're going to sit here today, and
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  Speaker 1: you can't tell the committee if it occurred or it
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  Speaker 1: didn't occur? Band, I'm just telling you, I don't recall
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  Speaker 1: receiving this email from 25 years ago. Mace, okay, alright. Question,
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  Speaker 1: that is your email address, correct? Answer, correct. I believe
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  Speaker 1: that is. I had a GSA email address shortly after
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  Speaker 1: leaving the White House. Yeah. Question. Do you know who Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell is referring to in the terms of Spanish girl? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea. Question. Did you ever meet anyone
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  Speaker 1: that fits that description that was associated or connected with Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell and Epstein? Answer. I don't recall meeting anybody with
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  Speaker 1: that description. Question. Did you ever meet a Swedish woman
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  Speaker 1: or young girl that was associated to or connected with Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell or Mr. Epstein? Answer. No. I don't recall ever
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  Speaker 1: meeting that person. Question she goes on to say, let
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  Speaker 1: me know when you next go to Europe as I
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  Speaker 1: do have some interesting and fun friends that could hook
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  Speaker 1: you up. Mr. Band, did you ever meet up with
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  Speaker 1: any person or people that had any association to Glenn
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell or Mr. Epstein in Europe? Answer, not that I recall. Mr. Emmer,
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  Speaker 1: did you ever travel to Europe with Maxwell or Epstein?
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  Speaker 1: banned well i think you asked earlier about morocco trip
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  Speaker 1: and other trips i don't ever recall traveling with them
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  Speaker 1: to europe but possible sure question by mr harnice question
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  Speaker 1: so the email that you received from miss maxwell was
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: around the time of 9 11 do you still not
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  Speaker 1: recall the email this is the week of 9 11
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  Speaker 1: you don't recall ever receiving the email Answer, I don't
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  Speaker 1: ever recall receiving the email. Question, did you ever reply
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  Speaker 1: to that email? Answer, I don't ever recall receiving it,
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  Speaker 1: so I have no idea. Question, I would like to
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  Speaker 1: introduce Majority Exhibit 4, which is a message chain between
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  Speaker 1: the WJC email address and Ghislaine Maxwell occurring on November 2, 2002.
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  Speaker 1: This is marked with the Bates number, EFTA 00582193. I'll
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  Speaker 1: give you a moment to read that. Answer, thanks. Question,
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  Speaker 1: the bottom message from WJC at 521 p.m., you're right.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: What's your deal tonight? Did you just want to ascertain
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  Speaker 1: what Ms. Maxwell was up to around this time? Answer again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't, I don't remember this email at all.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't see who it's from at the bottom.
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  Speaker 1: You said you wrote. I don't know that I wrote that,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't remember. Question, that message, Shane, whatever the
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  Speaker 1: bottom is, is from the WJC going to Glenn Maxwell.
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  Speaker 1: So then the top message would be from Ms. Maxwell. Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell then writes, we're going to the movies and then
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  Speaker 1: we will meet you. Two questions, where plus there is
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  Speaker 1: a crew here, redacted, plus two Brazilians. Can they come
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  Speaker 1: too if we come? Thoughts? Did you ever meet up
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  Speaker 1: with Ms. Maxwell around this date? Answer, no. Not that
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  Speaker 1: I recall. I don't know. Question, did Ms. Maxwell ever
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  Speaker 1: introduce you to two Brazilians? Answer, not that I can recall. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what was Ms. Maxwell referring to? In the two Brazilians,
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  Speaker 1: were they young women or girls? Answer, I have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: I think you should ask Ms. Maxwell. I don't know. Question,
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  Speaker 1: this is an email that you received. You're on this chain, Mr. Ban, correct? Answer, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not disputing that. But I don't know where it
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  Speaker 1: says that this is from me. You're saying it's to me.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't see, unless I'm missing something, where it
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  Speaker 1: says at the bottom. It just says 521 PM, 11-2, 2002. Question, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like I just said. But the bottom message says, The
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  Speaker 1: earlier message at 521, that is you writing from the WJC.
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  Speaker 1: What you see above is Maxwell writing back to you, correct?
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  Speaker 1: Do you agree? Answer, I don't know. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember the email, so I'm not going to say
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  Speaker 1: that this is from me because it doesn't say WJC
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  Speaker 1: on it. I mean, it doesn't say an email address
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  Speaker 1: on the bottom. I'm not trying to be combative. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying I don't remember it, but I don't see it.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea. Question, regardless, were you ever introduced
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  Speaker 1: to any group of women around Maxwell that were associated
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  Speaker 1: with or connected to Maxwell? Answer, not that I recall. Question,
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  Speaker 1: do you know what's underneath the redacted message? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember the email in the first place, so no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you ever meet any woman associated with or connected
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  Speaker 1: to Ms. Maxwell named Sarah? Answer, I vaguely remember she
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  Speaker 1: had someone that worked for her named Sarah. Sarah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know which one. Question, do you recall when you
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  Speaker 1: met Sarah? Answer, I recall she several years ago was
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  Speaker 1: married to someone that was a friend of a friend
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  Speaker 1: and I saw her out a few times with him. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and who was that? Answer, Brian Vickers. Question, do you
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  Speaker 1: recall the nature of your conversations with Sarah? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: do not. Question, do you recall anybody else when you
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  Speaker 1: had met Sarah? Answer, I don't. All right, folks, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode,
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  Speaker 1: dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where
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  Speaker 1: we left off. All the information that goes with this
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: episode can be found In the description box. What's up
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  Speaker 1: everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.
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  Speaker 1: In this episode we're picking up where we left off
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  Speaker 1: with Doug Band and his transcript from his congressional interview. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And the same question to a female named Redacted. Did
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  Speaker 1: you ever meet or become introduced to a girl named
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  Speaker 1: Redacted that had an association with Ms. Maxwell or Mr. Epstein? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: Not that I recall. Question. Question. And you did not
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  Speaker 1: meet with Ms. Maxwell on or around this date of
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  Speaker 1: November 2nd, 2002? Answer. I don't recall meeting with her
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  Speaker 1: around this date. Question. So it seems that in these messages, Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell is trying to introduce you to women or trying
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  Speaker 1: to introduce you, trying to meet up with a group
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  Speaker 1: or entourage of women. Do you recall anything about Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell trying to introduce you to women or young girls? Answer. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall that. Question. Do you have any knowledge
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  Speaker 1: as to why Ms. Maxwell was traveling with or inviting
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  Speaker 1: a group of women or young girls to meet with you? Answer, no,
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  Speaker 1: I do not. Question, Mr. Band. Ms. Maxwell was part
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: of one of the largest international sex trafficking operations. She
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: mentions international people, international women, and young girls, and she's
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  Speaker 1: clearly trying to invite them to introduce to you. Do
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  Speaker 1: you have any knowledge of Ms. Maxwell introducing a group
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  Speaker 1: of women or young girls to anyone that you knew
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  Speaker 1: at the time of your relationship with Ms. Maxwell? Answer, no. Mr.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: Emmer jumps in. We discussed Sarah and redacted. Do you
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  Speaker 1: recall seeing any other woman or women that are described
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  Speaker 1: as assistants with Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell? Ban, no.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: I don't recall seeing any other women. Nancy Mace jumps in.
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  Speaker 1: Can I follow up on something? You mentioned earlier you
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: remember meeting Sarah Kellan. Is that what the testimony was?
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: A woman named Sarah. Banned, yeah. Mace. And then you
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: mentioned a male named Brian Vickers. Who is Brian Vickers? Mr. Banned,
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  Speaker 1: her husband. Miss Mace. Okay, do you recall Sarah's last name? Answer,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I don't. Question, but you recall her husband's full name. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Vickers is a famous race car driver. He was
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  Speaker 1: a friend of Miss Mace. I don't know who he is.
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  Speaker 1: Doug Band, he was, as I said, a friend of
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  Speaker 1: a friend of mine. So I met him. This is
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  Speaker 1: probably mid-2000s. Miss Mace, how many years ago was that?
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  Speaker 1: Doug Band, 10, 12, something like that. Nancy Mace, mid-2000s. Band, no, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say mid-2010s, 20s. I don't remember specifically. Question,
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  Speaker 1: but you remember his name and that he was married
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  Speaker 1: to a girl named Sarah. But you don't recall anything
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  Speaker 1: else in any other question today but that one. You
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  Speaker 1: recall certain selective details, but not others. Answer. I think
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  Speaker 1: I've recalled a lot of things from various questions today.
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  Speaker 1: As I said, Brian is a friend of a friend.
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  Speaker 1: I saw him out socially. There were a couple of
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  Speaker 1: race car drivers who hung out and spent time with
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  Speaker 1: a friend of mine. That was a very different social circle,
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  Speaker 1: and I knew Brian. Nancy Mace. I don't know who
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  Speaker 1: he is. Okay. And your testimony today is that every
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  Speaker 1: single email from WJCAccount in the Epstein files is from you?
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  Speaker 1: Doug Band, I believe so. Nancy Mace, you believe so.
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  Speaker 1: Is it your testimony today that every single email in
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  Speaker 1: the Epstein files from this WJC email account is from you? Band, well,
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  Speaker 1: as I said, some of these emails, again, and I'm
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: not trying to be difficult. Nancy Mace, you're being difficult. Like,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I honestly had real hope for you to be like
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: a really great witness for us. I think this is
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: going to go down as one of the greatest cover-ups
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: in American history. And I think you know more than
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: what you're telling. And I'm just extremely disappointed to hear,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: do not recall. I'm not an attorney. I never went
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: to law school. I'm a high school dropout, but I'm
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: not a moron. And I just had so much. I
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: read that Vanity Fair interview and I thought it was
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: very honest and very telling. And here you are today
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: contradicting even some of your statements. So why would you
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: use an email that was reportedly from the president of
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the United States, former president of the United States, Why
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: would you be using an email with his name on it? Answer,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: like I said, I don't know. We had different emails.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: People were setting up different things back then. I don't know.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Nancy Mace, you don't know why? She gets cut off
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: by Band. I don't. She picks back up. I frequently
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: use an email of a current or former president. Mr. Band,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: President Clinton did not use email. Nancy Mace, so why
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: would you use? You had your own email, right? You
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: had your own email and the Epstein files that you
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: used from yourself, Doug Band. Band, we had. There were
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: different devices, different. It was different back then. Nancy Mace,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: did you and President Clinton share a device, a BlackBerry?
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Doug Band, no. Nancy Mace, you didn't share a BlackBerry.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Are you familiar with President Clinton's testimony in front of
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the House Oversight Committee? Did you review any of President
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Clinton's testimony before in preparation for today? Doug Band, we
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: reviewed a little bit in preparation. Ms. Mace and President Clinton,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: in his testimony, he said that they shared a BlackBerry.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Is that correct? Do I recall that you guys, they
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: shared an email or they shared a BlackBerry? Mr. Burleson,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: there's an email that says, sorry, there's an email from
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: that email from the WJC addressed to Ghislaine saying specifically
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: that this is a shared, gets cut off by Mace,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: a shared BlackBerry. Did you and the president share a BlackBerry?
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Doug Band, no, he did not. Nancy Mace, okay. So
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: are you familiar with an email dated October 4th, 2001?
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: It's from, it's to Glenn Maxwell. It's from you, Doug Band,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: your email. It says you back. Another way to get
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: in touch with me quicker is on my BlackBerry. Actually
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the president's, but we share it. Are you familiar with
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: this email? Mr. Shapiro, we'll call that five. Mr. Harnice, five,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: number five. Nancy Mace, I'm not an attorney. I just
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: pretend to be one. on oversight. Are you familiar with
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: this email? Doug Band, I don't recall this email. Nancy Mace,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: what's the date of the email? Band, Thursday, October 4th, 2001.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Nancy Mace, and who's the email from? Doug Band, it
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: says from Doug Band to Ghislaine. Nancy Mace, and who's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the email to? Doug Band, Ghislaine Maxwell, Nancy Mace. And
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: can you please read me the email for the record?
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Doug Band, I think the email. Nancy Mace cuts him off.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: What does the email say, Mr. Band? Will you please
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: read it to me? I don't have a copy in
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: front of me. Can you please read it? Mr. Band, yeah, ma'am.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: You back? Another way to get in touch with me
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: quicker is on my BlackBerry. Actually, the president's, but we
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: share it. Miss Mace, do you recall sending this email?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Let me guess. You don't recall. Mr. Band, no ma'am,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I do not recall sending that email. Ms. Mace, do
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you not recall, or is it a factually inaccurate statement,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that email? Is that inaccurate? Mr. Band, I just don't
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: recall this email or sending this email. Nancy Mace, okay,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: is the statement that you wrote in the email to
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell, is that true or false? Doug Band, I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: don't remember. I don't know what, as I said, we
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: didn't share a blackberry, it was mine. Ms. Mace, so
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: your testimony today is that you didn't share a blackberry
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: with the president. But we have an email saying you
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: shared a BlackBerry with the president from you to her.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: And then now you're saying that you don't recall. Is
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: this is that what we're doing today? Is that what
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: we're saying? I'm just clarifying for the record. Mr. Green, no.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: He also said he didn't share a BlackBerry with the president.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Miss Mace, then why would you send an email saying
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: you did? Mr. Band, again, I don't recall this email.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: As I sit here today, I was trying to sound
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: important or overstate something. It's possible. I don't know. Miss Mace,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: you say your testimony might be that you were trying
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to sound more important. Band, I just said that it's possible.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't remember. This is 25 years ago.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Miss Mace, so that would be braggadocious or bragging? Band,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: it could be. It's possible. Mace, we're going to get
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: into some bragging here in a minute, okay? All right?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Did Jeffrey Epstein ever visit any Clinton home, office, residence,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: property owned by the Clintons? Mr. Band, not that I,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: not that I know of. I don't know. Miss Mace,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: did Glenn Maxwell ever visit any Clinton home or office? Mr. Band,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: not that I recall, but it's possible, I don't know.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Nancy Mace, how many times were you in the presence
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: of the Clintons in either Jeffrey Epstein or Glenn Maxwell? Mr. Band,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: how many times in the presence of President Clinton? Mace,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: them together, everybody together. Band, I don't recall ever being
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: in the presence of all of them together other than
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the wedding which we talked about, Chelsea's wedding, I'm sorry.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think there was... I don't think he was
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: at the wedding. Miss Mace, okay. Wasn't there a dinner
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: somewhere where you met Epstein with Clinton present? Or no?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: At the very beginning. Mr. Band, that was just President Clinton.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: You said all of them. Sorry. Mace, okay. So today,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: your testimony, I want to clarify. You're testifying today that
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: President Clinton never visited Little St. James. Is that correct? Mr. Band,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: as I said earlier, I have no information that he
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: visited the island. Nancy Mace, have you ever personally... Been
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to the island? Banned, no. Mace, did you decline an
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: invitation to the island? Did you ever decline an invitation
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: to go? Banned, I don't ever recall being invited to
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the island. Mace, okay. In 2020, you spoke with Vanity
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Fair about your split from the Clintons. Banned, correct. Mace, okay.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Did you tell the Vanity Fair that President Clinton visited
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Little St. James in January of 2003? Doug Band, as
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I said earlier, I had several conversations with Vanity Fair
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: over a period of time. Miss Mace, okay, I know
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: this stuff you said earlier, and it's just a bunch
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of gobbly gook. Doug Band, okay, Miss Mace, did you
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: tell Vanity Fair that President Clinton visited Little St. James
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: in 2003? Band, I do not recall the specifics of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: my conversation. Mace, where would they get that quote? It
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: came from your mouth to his ear, Dan Adler, the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: reporter in Vanity Fair. Where would he get that quote? Mr. Shapiro,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: it's not a quote. Miss Mace, it's not a quote. Okay,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: not a quote. Technically, not a quote. He states that
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: you said that Clinton went to the island in January
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: of 2003. Where would he get that information from? Mr. Band,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I do not recall having the specifics of the conversation
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I had with Vanity Fair over a long period of time.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Miss Mace, how long ago was the interview? Mr. Band,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. The article was five or six years ago. Ms. Mace,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: do you recall what you did yesterday? Mr. Band, do
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I recall what I did yesterday? I came to Washington. Ms. Mace, okay.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: So your 2020 statement or conversation with Vanity Fair, not
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: a quote, and your testimony today are opposite. So Vanity
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Fair says that you claim that Bill Clinton went to
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the island in January of 2003. Your testimony today is
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: that he did not. So which one is true? Mr. Band, sorry.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: My testimony today is I said I don't have any
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: information that he did. Mace, are you being this way
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to be obtuse, to obfuscate, to be intentionally confusing? This
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: play on words? Why do this? Mr. Green, I'm sorry,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: what's the question? Miss Mace, you know what the question is.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Why do this today? Why answer questions in this manner
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to be obtuse? I have a feeling you know where
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: all these bodies are buried, and this is just disappointing. Mr. Band,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I'm answering the questions to the best of my ability.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Nancy Mace, no you're not. Banned, and the best of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: my recollection, I am, Ms. Mace. So you don't know
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: which statement is true, whether the Clintons visited the island
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: in 2003, which is what you told Vanity Fair, or
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: your testimony today, which is the opposite. Which one is true?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Which statement is true? A, the statement you told Vanity
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Fair that he visited the island in January 2003, or today,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: your testimony under oath, which one is true? Band, I'm
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: telling you today, as I sit here in a voluntary interview,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: that I do not have any information that he went
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: to the island. Miss Mace, why would you say that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: to Vanity Fair then? If you have no information that
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: he went to the island, if that's your testimony today,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: why'd you tell Vanity Fair that he did? Mr. Band,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: as I said, I don't recall conversations that I had
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: with the reporter over a period of time. Mace, did
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: anyone discuss your testimony on this subject with you before today? Mr. Green?
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: other than your attorneys. Miss Mace, other than your attorneys.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I didn't go to law school. You're so good. Mr. Band,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: not really. I talked to some friends here and there
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: about appearing. Miss Mace, did you talk to either of
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the Clintons before your testimony today? Mr. Band, no ma'am.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: As I said earlier, gets cut off by Mace. Did
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you talk to anyone affiliated with the Clintons regarding your
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: testimony today? Mr. Band, Cheryl Mills is an old friend
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: of mine, and I spoke to her about being asked
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to come provide this interview And who to select for counsel?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Miss Mace. Who is Cheryl Mills? Mr. Band. Cheryl Mills
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: is an old friend of mine who worked in the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: White House. Mace. Why is she affiliated with the Clintons?
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Who is she related to the Clintons? How is she
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: affiliated with the Clintons? Band. She worked for the Secretary
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Clinton at the State Department and I believe is a
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: friend of their advisor. Miss Mace. Is she an attorney? Band.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: She is. Miss Mace. Does she represent them? Band. I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: don't know if she represents them or not actually. Miss Mace,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: did she represent them in Epstein interviews? Mr. Emmer, she did.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Miss Mace, so did you know Cheryl Mills represented the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Clintons in their Epstein testimony? Were you aware of that? Mr. Band,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I saw her. That she was at the testimony, but again,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know the relationship. Miss Mace, when did you
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: speak to Cheryl Mills last? Band, I speak to Cheryl.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I've spoken to her regularly for 30 years. Mace, is
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: she an intermediary between you and the Clintons? Band, I
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: have no idea. Not that I know of. Miss Mace,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: have you ever suffered from depression? Mr. Band, no ma'am.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Miss Mace, do you have any suicidal ideation? Band, no.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Miss Mace, are you happy with your life? Mr. Band,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: yes ma'am. Mace, okay, all right. How would you characterize
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: your relationship with Maxwell? Mr. Band, we were friends. Miss Mace,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: how do you define friends? Band, we were socially friends
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and we spent time together. Mace, did you have any
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: sexual relationship with her? Mr. Band, no ma'am, absolutely not. Never.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Question by Mace. Okay, so you don't have a sexual
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: relationship with her. Why would you discuss sexual things with
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: her over email? Mr. Band, as I said again, it
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: was flirtatious, silly banter. Me providing poor attempts at humor
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and writing dumb emails that were obviously embarrassing to see now.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Miss Mace, so are you hung like a horse? Mr. Shapiro.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: You're not seriously asking that question, Congresswoman. Mr. Green, you
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: don't have to answer that. Mr. Shapiro, you don't have
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: to answer that. You don't need to answer questions about
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: your personal anatomy. Ms. Mace, why would she say you're
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: hung like a horse if you didn't have a sexual
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: relationship with her in an email that she wrote to you?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Why would she say that? Mr. Band, you'd have to
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: ask her. I don't know. Nancy Mace, okay. And in
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: an email from you in 2002 from the WJC account,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: it says you want to spank Bottoms tonight. What was
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: that in reference to? Band, I don't recall that email
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: or sending it at all. Mace, is spanking a fetish
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: of yours or hers? Mr. Green, again, you don't have
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to answer that. Mace, is this another one where you
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: don't recall? Is it her fetish or yours? Why is
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that in an email to a sexual predator of kids?
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: All right, in another email in 2002, you wrote to
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: her like, you like naughties. Why would you write that
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: in an email, that you like naughties, if you did
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: not have a sexual relationship with this woman? Band, I
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: don't remember the email, or recall the email. As I said,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I did not have a physical, romantic, or any relationship
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: with her, other than a friendship in any way whatsoever, ever. Mace, okay.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: In an email in 2002, Ghislaine Maxwell wrote to you
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: in reference to organizing a birthday thing. I think we
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: went over this earlier. I don't know if it was
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: your birthday or President Clinton's birthday. It was an email
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: where you talked about earlier Bear Mini. It was a
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: restaurant called Bear Mini. Was that for your birthday or
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: for President Clinton's birthday? Band, I have no idea. Miss Mace,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: when's your birthday? Mr. Band, October 28th. Miss Mace, when
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: is President Clinton's birthday? Band, August. Miss Mace, this is October.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So it was October 13th, 2002. So it must be
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: to organize your birthday. She references a birthday gift. Do
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you recall what the birthday gift was? Band, I do
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: not recall. Miss Mace, did you receive any gifts from
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Glenn Maxwell? Answer, I don't recall receiving gifts from Glenn Maxwell. Mace,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: did you receive any gifts from Jeffrey Epstein? Band, no.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I don't recall ever receiving any gifts from Jeffrey Epstein. Mace,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: is it that you don't recall or that it never happened? Mr. Band,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: as I said, I don't recall receiving any gifts from him.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I barely knew Epstein. Miss Mace, did you give Glenn
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Maxwell any gifts? Banned. Not that I know of. Mace.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: All right. Okay. How frequently did you communicate with Glenn Maxwell? Banned. Well,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, really. What answer is going to satisfy you?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: What the right answer is? I mean, I, on sort
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: of an average day, received and sent probably around 500
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and 1,000 emails. Question, so my question is, how frequently
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: did you communicate with Ghislaine Maxwell? Banned, I don't know. Mace,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: how much time did you spend with her in person? Banned,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much time I spent with her
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: in person. Mace, okay, did you request a plane, to
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: use a plane for Maxwell, for the NCAA Finals in 2006? Banned,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I don't recall doing that, but in preparation of today,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I've read that email. Mace, okay, did you ever have
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: any one-on-one time with her? Meaning, alone time, just the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: two of you in a room, with nobody else. Banned.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I don't recall ever being alone with her. Mace? Okay,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that's all I've got for right now. All right, folks,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here as well. And
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off. All the information
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: pick up where we left off with Doug Band and
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: his interview with Congress. Mr. Grant, Mr. Burleson. Mr. Burleson
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: asking the questions now. Mr. Band, who is Mark Middleton? Mr. Band,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't know who that is. Mr. Burleson,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you worked in the White House, correct? Band, yes, sir. Burleson,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Mark Clinton. You don't recall a gentleman named Mark Middleton
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: working for the Clintons? Band, I mean, I vaguely remember
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the name, but I don't know who Mark Middleton is.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: So even in all this reporting, you haven't heard the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: name Mark Middleton. When Epstein visited the White House 17 times,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Most of those visits were with a Mark Middleton. Band,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I don't recall knowing who that is. You know, again,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a vague recollection of the name. Burleson, it's not the
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: West Wing. It's not a huge office complex. Shapiro, he
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't there at the time, as he just testified. Mr. Burleson, Mr. Middleton,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and so in your knowledge, in your relationship with the Clintons,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the name never came up. Band, I didn't say the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: name never came up. I just said I don't remember
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: who that is or recall who that was. Mr. Burleson,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: thank you. I don't have any other questions. Mr. Harnice
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: is once again asking the questions. Question, Mr. Band. In 2005,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: police in Palm Beach, Florida began investigating Mr. Epstein. In
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: July of 2006, Mr. Epstein was arrested for the first
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: time for soliciting prostitution from minors. When did you first
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: learn of Jeffrey Epstein's 2006 arrest? Answer, I don't recall
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: when I first learned of it. Question, do you know
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: How you might have first learned about this through news reporting? Answer,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I don't want to speculate because I don't remember, but
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I assume through news reporting. But I don't remember anything
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: specific about learning of it. Mr. Grant, and you would
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: have learned of it at the time or somewhere around
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the time? Band, I don't know. But yeah, I believe
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: it was probably reading news reports, yes. Question, and when
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: did you become aware that Mr. Epstein served jail time
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: beginning in 2008? Answer, I don't recall when I became
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: aware of that. Again, I didn't really have a relationship
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: with him. Question, but you did become aware of his
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: arrest and jail time? Answer, I remember being aware of it.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I don't recall when I became aware of it. Question,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: did you ever discuss the arrest or jail time with Mr.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Epstein with anyone at the time? Answer, not that I recall. Grant,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: do you know who would have made you aware of
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: his arrest and subsequent time incarcerated? Band, as I said, no.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I just don't remember when, who, anything. Question, after learning
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: about the initial arrest of Mr. Epstein, did you have
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: any concerns about this? Answer, I don't recall having concerns
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: or not concerns. He wasn't someone that I knew or
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: engaged with frequently. And again, I don't remember whether he
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: was part of a friend of President Clinton or not
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: at that point, but no, I don't remember having any. Question,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: but you and respectively President Clinton did have a relationship
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: with him. When you learned about this, I'm just asking
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: if you were concerned at all about your relationship and
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: then now this arrest. Did you have any concerns at
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: that time about this? Answer, well, as I said, as
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it relates to me, I had very limited relationship with him.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I don't remember having concerns or not having concerns. Question,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: when did you find out about the 2008 non-prosecution agreement
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: with Mr. Epstein? Answer, I don't remember. I have no idea.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I don't recall when I learned of it. Question, what
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: was your understanding of what Mr. Epstein had admitted to
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: or been convicted of? Answer, I don't remember or recall
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: what he admitted to or had been convicted of. Question,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and when did you become aware of Mr. Epstein's status
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: as a sex offender? Answer, I don't remember when. Question, Mr. Bandt,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: have you ever been contacted by law enforcement entity in
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: regard to Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell? Answer, no. Question,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: with the benefit of hindsight, were there things that you
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: witnessed or observed about Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell that
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: could have suggested they were trafficking or and sexually abusing
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: young women or girls? Answer, no. Question, did Mr. Epstein
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: or Ms. Maxwell ever attempt to blackmail you? Answer, no. Question,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: did they ever try to threaten you? Answer, no. Question,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: so they did not threaten to expose any personal information
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: that you may have had? Answer, no. Question, do you
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: think that Ms. Maxwell was using you in order to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: get closer to President Clinton or any other member of
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the Clinton family? Answer, I have no idea. I don't know. Question,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: looking back now, Do you have any concerns that you
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: thought Ms. Maxwell may have been trying to use your
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: relationship with the Clintons in order to get closer to
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the family? Answer, as I've said, I don't know. You'd
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: have to ask her. I mean, I don't know. Question,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: why do you think Ms. Maxwell wanted to get close
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to you, wanted to build a relationship with you? Answer,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. Question, in emails, a lot of
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: which we have discussed and looked at today, seems that Ms.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Maxwell always wanted to do something or provide something for you.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Do you know why this was? Answer, no, I don't. Question,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: do you think it was just her attempt to get
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: close to a powerful, connected people? Answer, you know, as
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I said, I don't know. I guess it's possible, sure. Question,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: throughout the investigation, it seems that Mr. Epstein and Ms.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Maxwell would try to exert knowledge of people's personal information
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: in order to curry favor with powerful figures across the globe.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Looking back, were there any signs that Ms. Maxwell or Mr.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Epstein used your relationship in order to curry favor with
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: with powerful figures that you knew? Answer, no. Question, I
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: just want to jump back to the 2002 Africa trip.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: It's reported that Redacted gave President Clinton a neck massage.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Do you recall this? Answer, no, I do not. Question,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: so you had no knowledge at the time of President
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Clinton receiving a massage from Redacted? Answer, no. Question, have
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: you ever seen the photo of Redacted providing President Clinton
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the massage? Answer, I've seen the photo as it came
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: out recently or in the last year or two. Question,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: outside of preparation for this interview, when was the last
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: time you saw the photo? Answer, when it became public. Question,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and you did not receive any massage on this trip
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: in 2002? Answer, I didn't receive any massage on this
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: trip or ever. Mace, so you've never received a massage
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: before ever in your life? Band, I've had one massage.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: It was a couple's massage with my wife that I recall.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: That's it. Mace, were you familiar with any of the
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: massage therapists that were hired or used to travel with
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: or hung out with Ghislaine Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein? Mr. Ben,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: no ma'am. Mr. Harnice, asking the questions now. Question, I
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: know that I've asked you about the Vanity Fair article
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: where it stated that you had bad vibes from the trip.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Was Ron Burkle on the trip to Africa? Answer, no. Question,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: was he not on this trip? Answer, not that I recall, no. Question,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: we have flight logs showing that Mr. Burkle... was on
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: that 2002 trip to Africa. Did you not interact with Mr. Burkle? Answer,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I just don't. As I said earlier, I don't recall
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the trip. I don't recall him being there. Question, Mr.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Burkle had a pretty bad experience. He caught a pretty
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: bad vibe as well, as you call it, or as
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: you stated to Vanity Fair but you have no knowledge Mr.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Burkle ever having a creepy or odd feeling about Mr.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Epstein answer not that I recall no Mr. Grant did
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: you discuss Mr. Epstein with Mr. Burkle at any point Mr.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Band no not that I I don't recall discussing it
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: with him possible but I don't remember it Grant And
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: same question for Ms. Maxwell. Did you discuss Ms. Maxwell
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: with Mr. Burkle at any point? Mr. Band again, it's possible,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: but I don't recall discussing it, no. Mr. Harness, question
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: jumping around. Did Ms. Maxwell ever offer to lend you
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: a private plane or any private aircraft that she owned
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: for you to watch the 2006 NCAA men's basketball finals? Answer,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I don't remember the specifics of that in preparation for today.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I recall reading the email where there was back and forth,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: and I was asking her to charter a plane, and
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: she offered again, as best as I can recall, without
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: looking at the email, and I said something to the
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: effect that if I can't pay for it, then I'm
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: not going to take it, which I didn't. Question, so
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: you declined Ms. Maxwell's offer? Answer, based on those emails
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: that I've read in preparation for today, yes, I declined
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: her offer, and I did not take the plane. Question,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: why do you think Ms. Maxwell offered you this plane? Answer,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You'd have to ask Ms. Maxwell. Emmer,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: did you recall receiving any other offers to fly on Mr.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Epstein's plane? Banned, again, it's possible, but I don't recall any, no. Question,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: did you have any role in the White House Historical
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Association during your time in the Clinton administration? Answer, no,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I don't believe so. Question, so you did not attend
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: any White House Historical Association events? Answer, I wouldn't have
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: attended any on my own or been part of them
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: on my own. I was a staffer. If President Clinton
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: went to something and I accompanied him, staffing him, then
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I guess it's possible. But I don't recall anything or
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: having any involvement with them whatsoever. I don't even know
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: where they are housed or operate or anything. Question, were
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: you aware of Mr. Epstein's $ 10, 000 donation to the White
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: House Historical Association? Answer, no. Question, touching a little bit
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: on the Clinton Global Initiative, when did you cease employment
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: at the Clinton Global Initiative? Answer, well, I never worked
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: for the Clinton Global Initiative. I worked for President Clinton
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: in his personal office. The Clinton Global Initiative was one
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: of the things. And as I said, my best recollection
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: is that I left in the first half of 2012.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Question 2012. So how many Clinton Global Initiative conferences would
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: you say that you attended during this time of work? Answer,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't remember all of them. I guess
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: if it started in 2005 and then ended in 2012,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I went to all of those. And it's possible I
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: went after. Mr. Shapiro, you left in 2012. Band left entirely. Mr. Shapiro,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: it didn't end. Mr. Band, correct. Sorry. I left in 2012.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: CGI kept going. I may have attended one or two afterward.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I don't really remember. Question. I believe my colleague in
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the previous hour touched upon Ms. Maxwell's involvement with CGI
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: and the Clinton Foundation. Is that correct? Did you take
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: part in any budget discussion with Ms. Maxwell regarding the
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Clinton Foundation or CGI? Answer, no, not that I recall. Question,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: are you aware of any donation made to the Clinton
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Foundation or CGI from Ms. Maxwell or Mr. Epstein? Answer,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: you know, again, I wasn't aware of it at the time,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: but in preparation today, having seen the emails, it seems
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: as though she was. I don't recall having anything to
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: do with her being a part of it at all. Question,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: did Ms. Maxwell ever have a close relationship with anybody
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: else inside the Clinton Foundation or the Clinton Global Initiative? Mr. Shapiro,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: other than Mr. Band, you mean? Mr. Harness, other than Mr. Band?
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Doug Band, I don't know. I mean, she could have
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: had relationships with lots of people. I don't know. Question,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: so you never had a conversation with other Clinton Foundation staffers,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: anybody working at CGI, about Ms. Maxwell? Mr. Band, I
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: don't recall having conversations. It's certainly possible. I just don't
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: recall having them. Question, so Mr. Band? I just want
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: to make sure I have the timeline that's clear for
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the record. I believe in your opening statement, you mentioned
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: you sent a memo or a notice throughout the Clinton world,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: basically to cease their connections with Ms. Maxwell. Is that correct? Answer.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I sent the email to senior members of the staff
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: to remove her from all contact lists, which was an
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: attempt to remove her from President Clinton's world entirely. Yes. Question.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: And that was in 2011. Answer. Yes, sir. question and
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: then you subsequently stopped working for President Clinton by extension
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: of that the foundation and CGI in 2012 you said
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: answer sometime in 2012 again just to be clear I
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: never worked for CGI question understood and are you aware
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: that Miss Maxwell attended a CGI event and was honored
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: in 2013 answer I'm only aware of it as it
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: relates to having seen the reporting on it some point
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: in the past few years Question, you were not aware
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: of that in 2013? Answer, I did not work there
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: in 2013. Question, you didn't keep up with CGI and
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the work that you had helped start? Answer, no. Question,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: does this concern you now looking back that she was
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: able to recognize or be recognized at a CGI event
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: in 2013 after you had tried to remove her from
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the Clinton orbit? Answer, well again, all I can tell
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: you is that I took the step to write an
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: email to have her removed from all the lists and
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: therefore removed from the Clinton world. What happened after that
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: is not, I didn't have anything to do with it.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. Question understood. But I mean, it's
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: a big step to take to remove somebody from the
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Clinton orbit and have them not be involved anymore. This
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: was work that I would say you were intimately involved with.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: So knowing that, what you know now, looking back, that
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: she was honored in 2013, is that not disturbing to you? Answer,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you know, again, all of their activities are incredibly disturbing
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and horrific and evil to me. But I, again, I
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: left in 2012. So her involvement in what was going
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: on then and what decisions they made, I wasn't part of.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't have anything to do with it. So I
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: really don't know. Mr. Shapiro, just for the clarity of
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the record, I think you used they and their in
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: two different ways. All of their behavior was evil. The
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: there in the sentence was banned. Epstein and Maxwell. Shapiro, okay. Banned. Sorry.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you, counselor. Question. Do you have any knowledge of Ms.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Maxwell or Mr. Epstein? ever sending a gift to President Clinton? Answer,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I don't have any knowledge or recall them ever doing that. Again,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: it's possible. I just don't remember. All right, folks, we're
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: going to wrap up right here. And in the next
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: where we left off. All the information that goes with
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone?
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: off with Doug Band and his interview with Congress. Question,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I'll admit to you that there is an email between
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: you and Ms. Maxwell. Ms. Maxwell is speaking to you
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: about sending, quote, devil slippers to President Clinton. Were you
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: aware of her ever sending any gift at that time
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: to President Clinton? Answer, no. I don't recall that ever happening. Again,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: it's possible. People can do things that have nothing to
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: do with me, but I don't recall that ever happening. Question, Mr. Band.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: It was on the Moroccan trip with Epstein. There is
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: a famous photo of President Clinton in a swimming pool.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Do you recall this at all on this trip, President
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Clinton sitting in a hot tub with a woman whose
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: face is redacted? Answer, I do not recall that at all.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I saw the photo when it was released publicly earlier
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: this year the first time. Question, did you know who
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: any of the women or women were in any of
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the photographs? Were the women traveling on that trip? Answer,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't know. Mr. Harness, Harness.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: You don't know if there was any other women outside
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: of those listed on the flight log that were also
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: on the Moroccan trip or in the pool or the
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: hot tub? Band, I don't recall that trip really. Other
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: than you're asking about the wedding, which I recall a
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: little bit vaguely. But no, I don't have any idea. Mr. Grant,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: and just so the record's clear, you don't recall the
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: photograph being taken at the time? Mr. Band, no sir,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I wasn't there. I have no idea. The first time
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I saw it was probably when you did. Mr. Harness,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: outside of the flight logs, are there any other flights
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: on any other private aircraft that you took with Mr.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Epstein or Ms. Maxwell? Band, no, not that I recall. Mr. Harness,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: we'll go off the record. Question, all right, we'll go
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: back on. Redacted asking the questions now. Mr. Band, I
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: just have a few remaining questions for you. During the
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: time that you knew Mr. Epstein, what was your understanding
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: of his relationship with Donald Trump, now President Trump? Answer again.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I had very limited interaction with them, and I didn't
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: really know them. I don't know of any interaction or
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: relationship with President Trump. Question, did Mr. Epstein ever discuss
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump with you? Answer, no, not that I can recall. Question,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: did Ms. Maxwell ever discuss Donald Trump with you? Answer, no,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: not that I recall. Question, did you ever discuss a
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: relationship of Jeffrey Epstein and President Trump with President Clinton? Answer, no,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: not that I recall. Question, now it's our understanding... that
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: President Clinton once spoke to President Trump about Jeffrey Epstein
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: during a charity golf tournament at a golf course in
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: New York. The tournament benefited a foundation that Joe Torre
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: was affiliated with. We don't have the exact date of
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: this golf outing, but President Clinton explained that it may
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: have occurred in 2002 or 2003. It's possible it occurred
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: later than that. Do you have any knowledge of this conversation? Answer, no,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I do not. Question, did President Clinton ever speak to
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: you about Donald Trump? Answer, generally. Question, generally. Answer, I
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: don't recall anything specific. I recall the president way before
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: he was president asking President Clinton to join his Trump
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Westchester Golf Club. And I recall him, President Trump, about attending.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: There was some talk about him attending Chelsea's wedding. And
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: I said, that's up to, it's all Chelsea, over to
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Chelsea kind of thing. That's all I recall. But they
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: weren't really real conversations or anything serious. Question. When he
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: was in front of the committee earlier this year, President
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Clinton mentioned that President Trump may have told him that
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: he and Epstein, quote, had some great times together. Do
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: you have any idea of what President Trump may have
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: meant by that? Answer, I don't know. Anything about that
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: conversation or anything? I don't know. Question, and you touched
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: on this a bit earlier. Have you ever met President Trump? Answer,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: you know, I've shaken his hand briefly at some sort
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: of golf course, at the golf course type thing, but no,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: I don't really know him. Question, which golf course was that? Answer, Trump-Westchester,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: the one I was referring to earlier. Question, and was
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: President Clinton present for that? Answer, I recall him being there, yes. Question,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: and do you recall approximately when this occurred? Answer, early 2000s,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I believe. But again, I really don't know or remember
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: right now. Mr. Shapiro jumps in, post-presidency. Doug Band, post-presidency. Redacted,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: and do you recall President Clinton having a conversation with
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: President Trump of any kind during that interaction? Mr. Band, no,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I don't recall. I mean, again, I don't know if
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: they played golf or if he was there at the
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: golf club. Would they have had conversations? Certainly possible. I
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: just don't remember them having any. Question, all right, Mr. Band.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Thank you for your time. We'll go off the record. Mr. Harness,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: we'll go back on the record. Question, Mr. Band. I'm
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: going to ask some baseline questions regarding who you communicated
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: with and about what. If you don't recall specifics, but
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: you do recall who you communicated with, you should answer yes,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: but say you don't recall specifics. I'm going to run
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: through the list. For now, you can just say yes
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: or no to the question. Have you ever communicated with
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: any of the following people regarding Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell?
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton. Answer, yes. Secretary Hillary Clinton. Answer, I don't
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: recall ever. No. Question, Richard Kahn. Mr. Grant, can we
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: go back? For Secretary Clinton, you said, I don't recall,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: but no. Is that a yes or a no? Band,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Could I have talked about it? I don't
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: remember talking to her about it. About them, it's possible. Shapiro,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: so it's fair to say you don't think you did. Banned, correct. Shapiro,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: but you're not ruling it out. Banned, right. Question, Richard Kahn. Answer, no.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Darren Indyke. Answer, no. Sarah Kellan. Answer, no. Question, Cheryl Mills. Answer,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: have I talked to Cheryl about again? I don't want
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: to say no. I could have certainly talked to her
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: about them over the time, certainly in preparation for a
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: selection of counsel. As I said earlier, it's possible. Question,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Huma Abedin. Answer, I don't recall any specific conversations with
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Huma about them, but certainly it's possible. Question, Noam Chomsky. Answer, no. Question,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Leslie Groff. Answer, no. Question, Redacted. Answer, no. Question, Jean-Luc Brunel. Answer, no. Question,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz. Answer, no. Question, Reid Hoffman. Answer, no. Question,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Karina Shulak. Answer, no. Question, Woody Allen. Answer, no. Question,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Sandy Berger. Answer, no. Question, Jess Daly. Answer, no. Question
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Paul Morris. Answer, no. Question Justin Nelson. Answer, no. Question
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Eli DeRothschild. Answer, no. Question Ariane DeRothschild. Answer, no. Question
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Lynn Forrester DeRothschild. Answer, not that I recall. Again, it's
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: possible I could have talked to her about them, but
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I don't remember having any conversations. Question any other member
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: of the Rothschild family. Answer, I don't know any of
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: those people. Question Glenn Dubin. Answer, no. Question Eva Anderson Dubin. Answer, no.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Question Casey Wasserman. Mr. Shapiro, did you answer Eva Anderson Dubin?
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: You said no. Banned. Yeah, I said no. Sorry. Shapiro,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: thank you. Banned. Again, I don't recall any specific conversations,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: but it's possible. Question Frederick Fakai. Answer no. Larry Vazosky.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Answer no. Question pilot for Mr. Epstein. David Rogers. Answer
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't know who most of these people are,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: but I'm just saying no. Question no to David Rogers.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Answer correct. No. Question Ira Magaziner. Answer, Ira worked in
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: the foundation. I don't recall ever having conversations with him,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: but it's possible. Question Daniel Gilbert. Answer, no. Question Karen Ewing. Answer, no.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Question Stacey Plaskett. Answer, inaudible. The reporter is at a no. Band, no. Sorry, no. Band,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know who these people are. Shapiro, Stacey Plaskett. Band, no. Sorry.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Question Steve Bannon. No. Question David Gergen. Answer, no. Question
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Louis Freeh. Answer, no. Question Robert Rubin, answer no. Question
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Larry Summers, answer no. Question Pete Rathgeb, answer no. Question
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: John Podesta, answer no, not that I recall. But again,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: John and I are old friends, it's possible. I don't
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: remember anything. Question Andrew Friendly, answer no. Kathy Rumler, answer no.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Mark Middleton, answer no. Bill Richardson, answer no. Senator George Mitchell,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: answer no. Leslie Wexner, answer no. Bill Gates, answer no.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Leon Black, answer no. David Copperfield, answer no. David Blaine,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: answer no. Ehud Barak, answer no. Tony Blair, answer no.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, answer no. Peter Mandelson, answer no. Mohammed bin Salman,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: answer no. Sultan Ahmed bin Salman, answer no. Abigail Johnson,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: answer no. Jeff Bezos, answer no. Larry Page, answer no.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Sergey Brin, answer no. Eric Schmidt, answer no. Ron Barron,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: answer no. Tasha Alvarez, answer Tasha was on, was a
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: staff member. It's possible we talked about it at some point.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I don't recall anything specific. Question, any other staffers of
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: the Clinton Foundation? Answer, any other staffers that I recall
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: speaking with about Epstein? Well, again, just due to the
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: nature of the involvement of travel and those kinds of things,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: it's certainly possible that I talked to people in the
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Clinton Foundation. I mean, in the Clinton staff, I don't remember. Question,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: who would that be? Answer, it would be a lot
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: of people. Again, people have their own independent relationships. Mr. Shapiro,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: who handled the travel? Band, yeah, people who handled travel,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: people in the foundation, people that were trying to become
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: friends with them to seek support, people that traveled, I
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: don't know. And if I can, I'm sorry, the Tony
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Blair one, I don't remember having any specific conversation with
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister Blair, but it's possible. I don't think I did,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: but I just want to be super clear. Mr. Harnise,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: you stated yes to the original question saying, have you
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: ever communicated with any of the following? You said yes
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: to President Clinton. Can you expand upon that communication with
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: President Clinton? Banned. I don't remember any specific conversation. I
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: was just trying to be responsive. I mean, given they
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: were traveling and stuff and just giving him documents or
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: telling him whose plane we were on or telling him
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: that he was doing, we certainly had communications about it,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: but I believe we did. I don't remember anything specific. Mr. Emmer,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: during the previous hour, you mentioned having conversations with Cheryl Mills.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Answer, yes. Question, and that was related
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: to this committee's investigation. Is that correct? Answer again. Cheryl
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: and I are old close friends. I talk to her
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: regularly about a lot of things. After I was asked
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: to come provide a voluntary interview, I spoke with her
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: about that and about who to use as counsel, that
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: sort of thing. Question, but prior to the committee's letter,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: did you have any discussion with Cheryl Mills as it
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: relates to Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell? Answer, none that
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I recall. Question, did you, and I believe you were
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: asked this in a previous hour, but for the record,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: did you discuss this transcribed interview with anyone besides your counsel?
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Answer again, I'm just trying to be careful in answering
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: that question. I talked to friends, some friends of mine,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: who asked me questions about it. I tried not to
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: talk about it or have any discussions, but for a
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: few folks here and there, we were just talking about
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: the appearance, but nothing substantive or anything like that. Question
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: you answered, it's possible that you had a conversation with
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Lynn Forrester Dorothchild. Is that right? Answer, well, I don't
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: recall any or remember having any conversations with her, and
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I wasn't particularly close to her. but I'd just given
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: her proximity to London and her friendship with them, and
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: the Clintons, it's possible. Question, did you understand Ms. Rothschild
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: to have a relationship with Epstein or Maxwell? Answer, I
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: did not know whether she did or didn't. I just
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: know she was friends with the President and Secretary Clinton. Question,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you also said that it was possible that you may
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: have had a conversation with Ira Magaziner. Do you understand
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: him to have a relationship with Epstein or Maxwell? Answer again,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: It's just the same answer as Tasha. He worked, he
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: ran several initiatives for a president. They were all friends.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, college, law school. And so I'm just
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: making sure that I'm being responsive to the question and
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: saying it's possible. I don't recall anything, but it's certainly possible.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: And also, and I'm sorry to interrupt, but in preparation
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: for today and just seeing emails, I know there were
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: things sent back and forth between him and them. So
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: it's certainly possible. Finally, same question as it relates to
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: John Podesta. Did you have any understanding of him having
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: a relationship with epstein or maxwell answer no i didn't
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: again john's a mentor and a longtime friend former law
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: school professor boss colleague friend at my wedding those kinds
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: of things and so i just saying that it's possible
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: i don't recall anything Question, is it possible that he
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: would have been, he would have expressed concerns about the
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: former president having any sort of relationship with Epstein and Maxwell? Answer,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I don't recall him having any of those concerns or
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: conversations at all. Question, Grant, and one more. You also
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: said you couldn't recall, but it was possible to Casey Wasserman.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Is it possible that Mr. Wasserman had a connection or
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: relationship to Epstein or Maxwell? Ban, no, again, I don't
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: remember anything specific or recall conversations. You know, he traveled.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: I remember him traveling at some point. Again, in preparation
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: for today, sort of reviewing stuff and seeing that he
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: was on one or two of the humanitarian trips. He
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: was also a very significant supporter of President Clinton's work.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: So I was just saying that it's possible. Mr. Harness, question.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Outside of the list of people that we've already named
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: and asked if you had any conversations or communications with
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: about Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell... Is there anyone else
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: that we did not list you had a conversation with
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: about Ms. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell? Answer, no. Not that
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I recall. Question. Do you have any non-disclosure agreements? Answer, no. Question.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: So you don't have any NDAs with any women? Answer, no, sir. Question.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Do you have any men that have NDAs with women? Answer, no.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: I don't have any first-hand knowledge or anything other than, again,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: reading about some of the stuff. Question. Question. but you
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: don't have any knowledge of any person having an NDA
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: with a woman or young female that has a connection
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: with Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell? Answer, no. Emmer, our
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: questioning is coming to an end. As a general question,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: is there anything that we have not asked you that
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: you believe is relevant to this committee's investigation? Answer, no,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: nothing that I can think of. Mr. Harnice, we'll go
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: off the record. All right, so that is the Doug
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Band testimony, the transcripts in their entirety. And as we're
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: waiting for the Catherine Rumler transcripts to hit, we're going
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: to be diving into a deposition that Jeffrey Epstein gave
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: to the SEC when he was under investigation for his bullshit.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: But until then, that's going to do it for this one.
• 1:01:35
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