Latest / Sid & Friends In The Morning / Brian Kilmeade | WABC Radio Host | 07-17-26
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- 0:00Speaker 1: So the two guys who have been the face of
- 0:03Speaker 1: this really successful World Cup tournament for me have been
- 0:08Speaker 1: Andrew Giuliani. He's going to join me coming up at
- 0:11Speaker 1: eight thirty this morning. And my dear friend and colleague
- 0:15Speaker 1: who follows me each and every morning here at ten
- 0:17Speaker 1: o'clock on WABC, also on Fox and Friends, and the
- 0:21Speaker 1: host of the Best Cables show out There today ten
- 0:24Speaker 1: PM Sunday nights on Fox News One Nation. Brian Kill Mead, Giuliani,
- 0:29Speaker 1: Kill Mead, Kill me Giuliani. It doesn't matter. They are
- 0:33Speaker 1: the faces of soccer here in New York City, and
- 0:37Speaker 1: here we go, Yama versus Messi. This is as good
- 0:41Speaker 1: as it gets. Now, you know who I'm looting for.
- 0:43Speaker 1: Spain has proven during the Iran War they hate America.
- 0:47Speaker 1: We know the Spaniards are also anti Semitic, and we
- 0:51Speaker 1: know Argentinian fans they hang Israeli flags at their games
- 0:57Speaker 1: and even pissed off the coaches of Egypt. So clearly
- 1:01Speaker 1: you know that sid Rosenberg is rooting enthusiastically for Argentina.
- 1:07Speaker 1: The problem is, I'm not a big soccer guy, but
- 1:10Speaker 1: I really learned a lot this tournament. I don't see
- 1:13Speaker 1: anybody beating Spain. Their defense is like the old New
- 1:17Speaker 1: Jersey Devils. You can't move the ball down the field.
- 1:21Speaker 1: They shut out France. My pier Is will do the
- 1:23Speaker 1: same to Argentina on Sunday.
- 1:25Speaker 2: But what do I know.
- 1:26Speaker 1: Here's Brian Kilmead, Brian, good morning. Let's start with this.
- 1:30Speaker 1: Is this the dream matchup?
- 1:32Speaker 3: I think it is. I mean for the world, absolutely,
- 1:35Speaker 3: for the people that love soccer. You got the match up.
- 1:37Speaker 3: You got the high profile.
- 1:38Speaker 4: European champions against the defending World Cup champions. There hasn't
- 1:43Speaker 4: been a repeat World Cup champion since I think nineteen
- 1:45Speaker 4: sixty two. And then you got the greatest player of
- 1:48Speaker 4: all time, still thriving at the age of thirty nine,
- 1:51Speaker 4: playing against the next great player, a nineteen year old,
- 1:54Speaker 4: which is they were just.
- 1:55Speaker 3: Featured him on sixty Minutes a couple of months ago.
- 1:58Speaker 4: A guy wears braces, the guys should really just be
- 2:01Speaker 4: go starting his first year of college and he's among
- 2:03Speaker 4: the best players in the world and the most popular
- 2:06Speaker 4: sport in the world, so it's gonna be fantastic. But look, Sid,
- 2:09Speaker 4: would you just described if you know sports, you could
- 2:11Speaker 4: get a feel through this. I've noticed like people that
- 2:14Speaker 4: are open and just watch a game. You got okay,
- 2:17Speaker 4: what's going on here? I watch a few games, got
- 2:18Speaker 4: a few trends. I could see the way offenses and
- 2:21Speaker 4: defenses lay out a similar to cross very similar to hockey.
- 2:24Speaker 4: There's a lot of the same concepts. How you move
- 2:26Speaker 4: without the puck, without the ball, very similar, So you
- 2:29Speaker 4: could figure it out.
- 2:30Speaker 3: And then what a team's doing in a way.
- 2:32Speaker 4: You know, Argentina's just finding a way to stay alive.
- 2:35Speaker 4: Remember they were down to Cape Verdi. Remember they were
- 2:38Speaker 4: down to Egypt and Egypt had a controversial goal taken away.
- 2:42Speaker 4: And then if England doesn't stop playing offense, my goodness,
- 2:46Speaker 4: these are the best coaches in the world.
- 2:47Speaker 3: They invented the game.
- 2:48Speaker 4: They go up on nothing, it's an evenly balanced game.
- 2:51Speaker 4: Maybe England's getting.
- 2:52Speaker 3: Better the play.
- 2:53Speaker 4: They take out their forward, they take their forward, they
- 2:55Speaker 4: drop them into midfield.
- 2:56Speaker 3: They were removing to the midfield that they put it
- 2:58Speaker 3: in a defender.
- 2:58Speaker 4: They give up on offense, and then you have the
- 3:01Speaker 4: best offense in the world able to go work for
- 3:04Speaker 4: thirty five minutes and try to find a seam, and
- 3:07Speaker 4: they finally do a beautiful cross over a six to
- 3:11Speaker 4: two defender into a off the head of a five
- 3:14Speaker 4: to eleven forward goal won to one, and then the
- 3:18Speaker 4: second goal. When it was time for England to get
- 3:20Speaker 4: back on offense, they heard he had subbed out their forwards,
- 3:23Speaker 4: so they can't get into offense. Now. Of course that's
- 3:26Speaker 4: a dumb move. And I just say to myself, wait,
- 3:29Speaker 4: you are coaching England. If I could sit at home
- 3:33Speaker 4: and say what are you doing? And now everyone's saying
- 3:36Speaker 4: what did they do? How could they possibly the same
- 3:40Speaker 4: team that came back against Mexico in Mexico on that elevation.
- 3:45Speaker 4: You know what's one hundred thousand feet above the above
- 3:48Speaker 4: the above the.
- 3:49Speaker 3: Earth, and that's Techa Stadium.
- 3:52Speaker 4: This same England that found a way to win just
- 3:55Speaker 4: gave up that game. So Spain should win. But Argentina's
- 4:00Speaker 4: got a way of finding finding a way.
- 4:04Speaker 3: To score and they got the best player ever.
- 4:07Speaker 4: And it's good for our league MLS that you could
- 4:10Speaker 4: come here at thirty five just win a World Cup
- 4:13Speaker 4: and they go all that mess.
- 4:14Speaker 3: He's given up.
- 4:15Speaker 4: He's going to that American league where he's just looking
- 4:17Speaker 4: to retire. Wrong, he wins a championship and then comes
- 4:21Speaker 4: back at thirty nine and hasn't lost a step in
- 4:24Speaker 4: his game.
- 4:25Speaker 3: That makes our league look good.
- 4:27Speaker 1: No question about it. And again, Miami plays his home games.
- 4:29Speaker 1: Excuse me, MESSI plays his home games in Miami, and
- 4:32Speaker 1: in Miami tomorrow the day before the big matchup at
- 4:36Speaker 1: Giants Stadium. You're gonna get the losers of the last
- 4:39Speaker 1: two games. And that, of course is France taking on England.
- 4:43Speaker 1: And my daughter has her friends saying at my house
- 4:46Speaker 1: for the last nine days. Emily, she lives in England.
- 4:49Speaker 1: She was heartbroken a couple nights ago. She's actually looking
- 4:52Speaker 1: forward to the game against France on Saturday, even though
- 4:55Speaker 1: it's really just for a consolation prize. So he got
- 4:59Speaker 1: a big game coming up tomorrow and the bigger one
- 5:01Speaker 1: coming up on Sunday. Let's talk Trump. I can't believe
- 5:05Speaker 1: in America twenty twenty six that two major networks don't
- 5:10Speaker 1: air his speech last night. I don't care if you
- 5:12Speaker 1: hate him, I don't care if you think he's talking
- 5:14Speaker 1: about the same nonsense for seven years. You don't want
- 5:17Speaker 1: to hear it anymore. He's the president of the United States.
- 5:21Speaker 1: How ABC and NBC did that. CBS carried it, but
- 5:25Speaker 1: they also kind of went out way through. They said, Okay,
- 5:28Speaker 1: enough of this. And to be honest, Brian, as I
- 5:30Speaker 1: was watching it, I was confused myself. It looks like
- 5:34Speaker 1: China did something wrong, but I didn't really hear the
- 5:38Speaker 1: President explain to me how China changed even one vote.
- 5:42Speaker 1: So the networks they should be embarrassed. But watching the speech,
- 5:47Speaker 1: I was mostly confused. I think I speak for most Americans.
- 5:50Speaker 3: Yeah, I look, I want to secure election.
- 5:52Speaker 4: I don't think I learned anything last night, But for
- 5:55Speaker 4: him to call out China, knowing how delicate those relations are,
- 5:59Speaker 4: you know, that's why he was holding off on the
- 6:00Speaker 4: massive Russian sanctions, because he wanted to sanction any country
- 6:04Speaker 4: doing business with Russia.
- 6:05Speaker 3: And he goes, really, you are met to sanction India
- 6:08Speaker 3: and China.
- 6:09Speaker 4: They're prominent trade partners with US. If I tariff them,
- 6:12Speaker 4: they'll tariff us. It's gonna hurt us too. But it's
- 6:15Speaker 4: to bring, you know, help bring Russia to its knees.
- 6:18Speaker 4: So he's so careful about that. At the same time,
- 6:21Speaker 4: he said, you affected two hundred You just hacked off
- 6:24Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty thousand voters. Information million, twenty million million,
- 6:28Speaker 4: excuse me, information but what do they do with it?
- 6:31Speaker 3: Someone pointed out to me.
- 6:32Speaker 4: Do you know if I'm from a political operative, I
- 6:35Speaker 4: could get voter information and then that figure I had
- 6:38Speaker 4: a target, I.
- 6:39Speaker 3: Would is it interested in?
- 6:40Speaker 1: You know?
- 6:40Speaker 4: These are the things he's interesting. This is how to
- 6:42Speaker 4: win him over, you know. So I'm pretty sure that
- 6:44Speaker 4: micro targeting existed. So I'm supposed to We're supposed to
- 6:47Speaker 4: get something from the CIA today. But I found most
- 6:50Speaker 4: intriguing is when he said he was not given his
- 6:53Speaker 4: full intelligence brief because people had sold in his intelligence
- 6:57Speaker 4: apparatus in twenty eighteen, were sold out to China.
- 7:00Speaker 3: They were holding certain things back.
- 7:02Speaker 4: Also, he said that certain people in the media were
- 7:04Speaker 4: paid to write negative things about him.
- 7:07Speaker 3: I need to know who those people are, right.
- 7:09Speaker 1: I think you could probably figure some of that out,
- 7:12Speaker 1: But yes, I want to know too. And I wasn't
- 7:14Speaker 1: trigued about that too, but I'll be figuring it out.
- 7:17Speaker 1: This is the great Brian kill Mead follows me each
- 7:19Speaker 1: and w morning right here on WABC one Nation and
- 7:23Speaker 1: Fox and Friends on Fox News. Okay, Brian, so you
- 7:27Speaker 1: are also great at this, and that is breaking down
- 7:30Speaker 1: where we are in this Iron conflict. I've got KT
- 7:35Speaker 1: coming up later on today. She's she's been very high
- 7:38Speaker 1: and with the President and America has done. I have
- 7:41Speaker 1: my moments. Some days I feel good about it. Some
- 7:44Speaker 1: days I'm like, Nah, Brian, kill mead, where are we?
- 7:48Speaker 3: Well? Look, this is what we said.
- 7:49Speaker 4: You know, he said, I don't know if we should
- 7:50Speaker 4: have done this, but if you're going to do it,
- 7:52Speaker 4: and you told me sid him I'm wrong. Tell me
- 7:53Speaker 4: if I'm wrong, finish it, do it right, don't go
- 7:56Speaker 4: halfway right.
- 7:57Speaker 3: So he's not going halfway.
- 7:59Speaker 4: And he's got assist and they got a plan and
- 8:01Speaker 4: they're gonna physically open up the straight physically. They're bombing
- 8:05Speaker 4: out structures, killing off bridges, uh strut, damaging roads that
- 8:10Speaker 4: would stop any infiltration. Little by little, we're gonna physically
- 8:13Speaker 4: take over the Strait and we're going We have begun
- 8:16Speaker 4: to blow up bridges last night.
- 8:19Speaker 3: At the same time, are are not much damage has
- 8:22Speaker 3: been done to our bases. They we know we're getting
- 8:24Speaker 3: to them. When they said that if you continue to
- 8:26Speaker 3: do this.
- 8:27Speaker 4: We're sending the Hoothies out to shut down the Red Sea,
- 8:30Speaker 4: which is seven percent of the world's oil.
- 8:32Speaker 3: Now they wondn't be able to shut it down.
- 8:33Speaker 4: They'll be able to damage it, and merchant ships don't
- 8:36Speaker 4: can't get insurance if they.
- 8:37Speaker 3: Go through there. But we're doing significant damage. We're not
- 8:42Speaker 3: gonna put people on the ground.
- 8:43Speaker 4: It's a if anyone says, oh, Donald Trump wants top
- 8:46Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty thousand troops on the ground.
- 8:48Speaker 3: No one's saying that, including JD. Vance. He's got to
- 8:51Speaker 3: knock it off. These people, these these warhawks want to do. Uh,
- 8:56Speaker 3: it's one hundred and fifty thousand. Nobody said that.
- 8:58Speaker 4: He don't just make up at like the Mets better
- 9:01Speaker 4: not trade their whole starting five. No one said they're
- 9:04Speaker 4: trading their starting five. So don't even bring it up
- 9:07Speaker 4: what Jdvans is doing behind the scenes. I'm not too
- 9:09Speaker 4: happy with the three hours with Joe Rogan, not too
- 9:12Speaker 4: happy with a lot of the stuff he was saying.
- 9:13Speaker 4: He sounds like a pundit. You're the vice president, all right,
- 9:16Speaker 4: back up the president. Stop the shots at Israel. There
- 9:20Speaker 4: are people in the Israeli government really they want to
- 9:23Speaker 4: have perpetual war?
- 9:24Speaker 3: Are you crazy? Are you that stupid?
- 9:27Speaker 4: There's nobody who wants war with Israel. Israel does not
- 9:30Speaker 4: want to have perpetual war. They have to reduce the
- 9:33Speaker 4: threat or eliminate it, and they want us don't want
- 9:36Speaker 4: to stop halfway. That's a lot different than people in
- 9:39Speaker 4: their government want perpetual war.
- 9:41Speaker 3: Nobody benefits.
- 9:42Speaker 4: You think Israel wants to take their economy and put
- 9:45Speaker 4: forty percent of it into military and not build up
- 9:48Speaker 4: their infrastructure and their innovation and their business sector. Come on,
- 9:52Speaker 4: and for the Vice president to say that, it's outrageous.
- 9:54Speaker 4: I love what the president's doing. I think he's letting
- 9:56Speaker 4: the military do it. I love the way he's keeping
- 9:59Speaker 4: his steady hand. I see a major breakthrough in the
- 10:01Speaker 4: next couple in the next few days.
- 10:03Speaker 3: I think by Monday, you're gonna see some things happening.
- 10:06Speaker 4: By the way, they have not shot at a single
- 10:08Speaker 4: ship in four days.
- 10:10Speaker 2: Ran, I'm glad you brought up JD. Vance.
- 10:12Speaker 1: I know you see my tweets and I ripped them.
- 10:14Speaker 1: But I've been ripping JD. Vans for months, and I've
- 10:17Speaker 1: been saying time and time again, I need Marco Rubio
- 10:20Speaker 1: to be my nominee in twenty twenty eight. I want
- 10:22Speaker 1: no part of Vance. And he didn't just sound like
- 10:25Speaker 1: a pundit. He sounded like Tucker Carlson, And he went
- 10:29Speaker 1: out of his way to say, Hey, I don't take
- 10:31Speaker 1: my marching orders from Tucker Carlson, but he sounds a
- 10:34Speaker 1: lot like him and all the sickopants of Trump and
- 10:38Speaker 1: this administration.
- 10:39Speaker 2: And I'm one of those. I'm a Trump sickopant, but
- 10:42Speaker 2: I don't like JD. Vance.
- 10:43Speaker 1: They're like, wait a second, what did JD say that
- 10:46Speaker 1: was so bad about Israel? What did JD say that
- 10:51Speaker 1: was so bad about Israel? Real people that I work
- 10:54Speaker 1: with that I respect. Are they kidding me? So I'm
- 10:57Speaker 1: glad you brought up JD. Vance because it's not just
- 11:00Speaker 1: the Jews. If you understand anything about the America Israel relationship,
- 11:06Speaker 1: you should be furious.
- 11:08Speaker 3: Yeah. And by the way, it's a two way relationship.
- 11:11Speaker 3: It's not just US helping Israel, Israel helps us.
- 11:14Speaker 4: Unbelievably, the latest was the assassination would be assassination attempt.
- 11:18Speaker 4: The intelligence shared if you talk to anyone in the CIA,
- 11:21Speaker 4: they're in awe of the massade. The way they work
- 11:24Speaker 4: together is it's indispensable. And these idiots one hundred and three,
- 11:31Speaker 4: the one hundred and three that voted against Israel aid
- 11:33Speaker 4: that's the future.
- 11:34Speaker 3: That's why Netanyao said what he said last month.
- 11:36Speaker 4: We've got to be prepared to manufacture our own weapons.
- 11:39Speaker 4: You're right, because he sees the He understands American politics
- 11:43Speaker 4: as good as any American politician.
- 11:45Speaker 1: Uh.
- 11:46Speaker 3: And they want to blame Netnao for everything. So well,
- 11:48Speaker 3: I like Israel or I don't have anything.
- 11:50Speaker 4: It's Jewish people. I just don't like this government. Well
- 11:52Speaker 4: just wait when the next government comes in. Whenever that is,
- 11:55Speaker 4: they're gonna go. My problem is Hesbla Hamas in Iran.
- 11:59Speaker 4: I don't don't care what your policy. Any other leader
- 12:02Speaker 4: unless they sell their soul in Israel has to handle Iran.
- 12:07Speaker 3: So they're going to realize or they know it already
- 12:10Speaker 3: that Netau is not the problem. You know.
- 12:12Speaker 4: I think Steve Woodcoff thinks netnaw is the problem. Oh
- 12:15Speaker 4: he's worried about his election. Yeah, because he wants to
- 12:17Speaker 4: do a good job and win.
- 12:18Speaker 3: Maybe, But he doesn't attack Hesbla for ratings points.
- 12:23Speaker 4: He's attacking Hesbela to get the northern part or northern resident,
- 12:27Speaker 4: the northern residents of Israel back in their homes because
- 12:30Speaker 4: they're getting rocketed. So I don't this is not hard.
- 12:34Speaker 4: I don't understand why people are being so stupid about it.
- 12:37Speaker 3: I really don't.
- 12:38Speaker 2: Well, because they hate the Jews. They hate the Jews.
- 12:42Speaker 1: They go, no, no, I'm not anti Jew, I'm anti Zionist.
- 12:46Speaker 2: I'm anti BB.
- 12:47Speaker 1: And you and I have both had BB on our
- 12:49Speaker 1: shows the last week or so. He was on with
- 12:51Speaker 1: you he was great, And on TV he was on
- 12:53Speaker 1: with me on this radio show Monday, he was great.
- 12:56Speaker 2: And he's tremendous.
- 12:58Speaker 1: It's not just wood Coff, it's even Jared Kush He's
- 13:00Speaker 1: another guy that's pretty critical of BB. So you know,
- 13:03Speaker 1: on one hand, Trump knows how great BB is. On
- 13:07Speaker 1: the other hand, in his other ear, he's got his
- 13:10Speaker 1: son in law, he's got Witkop, he's got the Vice
- 13:12Speaker 1: President telling him how banned BBE is. So that's why
- 13:16Speaker 1: I think the President sounds a little confused. Every now
- 13:19Speaker 1: and then, Okay, two days away from the Big Show
- 13:21Speaker 1: coming up on Sunday Night One Nation, ten pm Sunday Nights,
- 13:25Speaker 1: Great Show on Fox News, Brian, what can we look
- 13:28Speaker 1: forward to this?
- 13:29Speaker 4: Kathy Hokel comes out and says, no more data centers
- 13:32Speaker 4: in New York.
- 13:34Speaker 3: Really, you're banning data centers.
- 13:35Speaker 4: You're going to deny in the upstate New York more jobs,
- 13:38Speaker 4: more economic opportunity, just like Cuomo did with fracking and
- 13:42Speaker 4: hurting our utility bills by shutting down the nuclear powerplant
- 13:45Speaker 4: Indian Point. Micro is going to break down how many
- 13:48Speaker 4: jobs are we blowing? And are there legitimate concerns with
- 13:51Speaker 4: data centers? You know about water and.
- 13:53Speaker 3: About utility bills. Didn't the president handle that. Micro's going
- 13:57Speaker 3: to break it down.
- 13:57Speaker 4: Plumbers, pipefitters, electricians all building these data centers. And by
- 14:02Speaker 4: the way, I think that they'll turn out that if
- 14:04Speaker 4: China's doing anything, they're advertising trying to get people to
- 14:07Speaker 4: push back against these data centers so they can catch up.
- 14:10Speaker 4: Brian masked on this war. You know, he's Chairman of
- 14:12Speaker 4: Foreign Relations in the House. He wants to be the
- 14:14Speaker 4: next Secretary of State. Should Rubio ever run or step aside,
- 14:17Speaker 4: he's going to be with us too.
- 14:18Speaker 3: You know, he gave up his legs.
- 14:19Speaker 4: And fighting in the war. And then I got Brian Johnson.
- 14:22Speaker 4: You know, this guy wants to live forever, the biohacker.
- 14:25Speaker 4: He just got a terminal illness. Brian Johnson is the
- 14:29Speaker 4: guy who's basically living in a bubble doing reversing the aging.
- 14:33Speaker 3: Process, so I want to talk to him about what
- 14:35Speaker 3: he's going through. I also have my last guest is
- 14:40Speaker 3: Rob Blogoyevitch. He's going to be on what They're doing
- 14:42Speaker 3: a special on him.
- 14:43Speaker 4: I also want to get him on Chicago and everything
- 14:45Speaker 4: else going on with the Chicago Teachers Union, who are
- 14:47Speaker 4: basically communists. Tommy Larren's going to be with us, who
- 14:50Speaker 4: I am responsible for the relationship you have with her now,
- 14:53Speaker 4: so I feel as though she's going to be on
- 14:56Speaker 4: doing some media moments for us.
- 14:57Speaker 3: So it's gonna be a fun show.
- 14:58Speaker 2: Sounds like a great show.
- 15:00Speaker 1: And talking about Kathy Hokele, my next guest this morning
- 15:02Speaker 1: after you on this show, happens to be the man
- 15:04Speaker 1: that's going to beat Kathy Hokel, your executive and your
- 15:07Speaker 1: hometown in Nassau County, the great Bruce Blakeman kill meat
- 15:11Speaker 1: as always. What a tremendous job you just did here
- 15:14Speaker 1: this morning, will you amazing? I love you and I
- 15:17Speaker 1: really want Argentina to win. I don't think they're going to,
- 15:19Speaker 1: but I am rooting hard for Argentina.
- 15:23Speaker 2: Let's go Argentina, and.
- 15:25Speaker 4: Don't forget about October seventeenth Old Westbury. Sid will be
- 15:29Speaker 4: on stage in the round. Brian Kilme dot com his
- 15:33Speaker 4: the Uniting the States tour as my book launches. My
- 15:37Speaker 4: book launches on the thirteenth, so it'll be an exciting show.
- 15:40Speaker 4: Another reason to love America.
- 15:42Speaker 1: I love it, Another reason to love America. And you
- 15:45Speaker 1: have yourself a great weekend. Brian kill Me, wud all
- 15:47Speaker 1: be watching on Sunday night. You're the best. Thank you
- 15:49Speaker 1: so much. Go get him Sid there he is. Brian
- 15:51Speaker 1: kill Me comes up there after me each and w
- 15:53Speaker 1: weekday morning at ten o'clock right here on seventy seven WABC,
- 15:57Speaker 1: Fox and Friends. And you just heard it. What a
- 15:59Speaker 1: great show. Ya's coming your way ten pm Sunday night.
- 16:03Speaker 1: It is one Nation on Fox News. Take a break,
- 16:06Speaker 1: three more hours to come, big names, Bruce Blateman. We'll
- 16:09Speaker 1: talk to Joseph Tacopina. We got some surprise guests. Even
- 16:12Speaker 1: George Santos is stopping by today. The Friday edition of
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