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[Ep 20] Peptide Skincare: Real Results or Hype? | The Naven Twins - Kymber and Alexis McClay · Age Defiantly with Mark Young

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  Welcome to Performance Driven Living, the podcast where we question everything.
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  Take what lands, leave what doesn't, but whatever you do, don't stop questioning.
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  We are here with the Performance Driven Living Podcast, I'm your host, Mark Young, and
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  I am joined here today by Kimber and Alexis McCray.
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  I said that wrong, that pisses me off when I say people's names wrong.
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  Kimber and Alexis McCray, now I'm going to be honest with you guys are identical twins,
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  and I don't know you well enough to tell you apart yet.
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  So funny enough, I actually used to play competitive volleyball with on a co-ed team, and the two
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  girls were twins.
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  And it's like they were identical twins, and I could tell them apart across the street
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  because they just, to me, had such a different energy.
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  You guys are clueless.
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  So which one is Kimber and which one is Alexis?
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  I'm Kimber, and it's McCray, by the way.
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  What did I say?
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  McCray.
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  McCruth.
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  I'm going to destroy this.
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  Literally, so I did a podcast a while back with, do you know who Philip von Holtzendor
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  failing is?
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  No.
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  Okay.
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  But you're impressed that I said that name without flinching, and I can't say McCray.
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  Yeah.
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  I think that's the problem.
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  So we are here today actually to talk to these ladies about their business opportunities
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  that they have out there, as well as their virtual clinic, because their mission, I'm going
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  to read you what I have here, that this is directly from the producer.
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  It says, from styling a list celebrities to founding the wellness brand Coalife, they've
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  embarked on a mission to empower women through holistic health.
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  Welcome to the show.
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  Thank you so much.
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  Yeah, excited to be here.
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  So I'll be honest with you, like before yesterday, I met you guys for the first time yesterday
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  when we were at the inaugural dinner for the Lifelong Wellbeing Foundation, which are
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  with our mutual friend, Nick Zaldestani.
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  Incredible event.
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  Incredible event.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  Yeah, it really was.
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  Yeah.
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  Like, people there, Callie Means and Dave Aspery and Del Big Tree, Candice McDonald.
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  Yeah.
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  Big, big name people.
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  They invited us.
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  I mean, that was nice.
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  Yeah.
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  I had a victory just to get powerhouses like that in one room who together can make such
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  change.
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  So I was really excited just to see everyone come together and what's going to blossom
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  from that.
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  Yeah.
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  I loved about that was the, and I realized that I had something to do with it.
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  So of course, I loved it.
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  But having the table conversations about how in each of the different aspects of student
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  life, because Lifelong Wellbeing Foundation's goal is to find ways to empower young people
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  and start healthy habits, whether that's social habits, physical habits, financial habits,
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  whatever, earlier in college years, and empower that curiosity in them earlier that start
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  setting the stage for life.
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  Right.
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  Get them to be ambassadors of things in college other than rubbles.
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  Yeah.
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  And I loved that foundation.
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  But when they went around from table to table and had everybody with a different topic
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  at the table, how can we impact students in the area of finance?
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  How can we impact students in the area of psychological wellness or social wellbeing?
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  To me, that was super powerful, and it was a getting the minds and the, just the power
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  houses, as you said, just like in that room, like what a think tank at your table.
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  What did you guys discuss?
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  You know, ours was really, really shooting because the whole topic was around how do you
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  and still new, healthy values into the school system?
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  And so for us, our entire life is focused around setting these tools and skills and really
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  making health kind of like in everyday protocol for you.
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  So I think the same applies in a school system as it would in your own personal life or
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  if you're incorporating health into your career and having your body kind of act as this
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  vessel or machine.
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  So that was the topic for us.
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  And I think some of the main things we touched on and feel free to jump in is using your
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  body as a machine as a vessel.
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  If you have a well functioning body and you're eating clean, using food as medicine and
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  brain fuel, you're able to just tackle college or tackle a job or tackle life with an
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  upper hand.
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  So that was a big conversation.
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  And then how do you instill kind of community as a community?
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  So that kind of initiative that you do need like mine to people who are on the same healthy
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  journey to support your journey, have that oxytocin and like social sharing and have
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  that support around you to kind of really move forward with those healthy practices instead
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  of choosing on a Saturday to go out and drink as a college student.
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  You're going to wake up early on a Sunday and add in some healthy protocols, do it with
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  your friends and then really move forward with that.
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  Yeah.
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  And I think a lot of that too is mental cleanliness and mental health too.
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  And community is such a big part of that for us we grew up athletes.
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  So having that support system, that team mentality, I think was one of our things that really
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  got us going and kept us in a healthy state.
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  And I think it's even starting younger than college.
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  It's really in high school, the younger the better.
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  So if you can get kids really used to creating these healthy habits and mentally and physically
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  eating the right foods to nourish your body, to nourish your mental health at a younger
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  age, it's just going to set them up for success.
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  Yeah.
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  And the conversation that we were having at my table was I used to be a college professor
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  years ago.
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  So a lot of experience on the college campus life and dealing with students and trying to
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  reel them in.
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  And I don't think reel them in, but I think young people for the first time that they
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  get out of their parents home, it's the first time they're making their decisions.
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  Yeah.
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  They get to decide what's in the refrigerator.
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  They get to decide how early I wake up.
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  I mean, not that they couldn't have done that in high school, but I can choose evening
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  classes or morning classes.
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  It's not that high school begins at 730 whether I like it or not, right?
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  Like they get to choose when they go work out.
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  They get to choose who their social circle is going to be because they're not with the
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  same friends who happen to live in the same zip code, right?
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  Like all of this changes.
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  And I think it's the first time that we see young people making decisions for themselves
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  that are impacting their lives.
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  So I love, I love that.
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  I love the conversation around how do we, how do we instill the good stuff earlier?
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  Because those early decisions become lifelong patterns and the way we can interrupt patterns
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  earlier or, or better yet, just make good patterns from the beginning.
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  So there's no need for an interrupt is a better option to allow them at that age to make
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  better choices.
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  So instead of having the freshman 15, they're going to become healthier individuals, build
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  those routines and those habits that are just going to set them up later on in life.
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  Or even looking at the people we surrounded ourselves with in college, those people can
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  later on be mentors to open up doorways for you and work, or they can bring you down
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  and create bad patterns and potentially things like over-drinking, binge eating, putting
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  off priorities.
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  So I think that part is so important as well as those group of friends you have in college
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  are really going to influence your life, big picture.
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  So making kids aware of that and teens aware of that and their younger population aware
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  of the choice you make now does trickle on later on in life and really creating healthy
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  habits.
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  Yeah.
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  And again, having a support system where we're really blessed as being identical twins,
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  we always had each other to show up for each other and we don't sugarcoat anything with
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  each other.
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  I think we keep each other in check and balance.
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  We're at check and balance.
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  Yeah, check and balance.
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  So we were able to support each other throughout our childhood and throughout college
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  with it go to different schools, but we always had that support case.
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  And I did away with anything when you have a twin sister and I always know what she's
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  thinking, so you can never lie to me.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, and I love that idea.
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  I mean, I'll be honest and tell you like when I was in college, like my lifestyle choices
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  were terrible.
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  Yeah.
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  And I think there's a, I'm going to blame society, nothing to do with my bad choices.
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  But we almost have this ethos around what college life should be.
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  And then I think when we get young people who go to college, they think that they're
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  supposed to participate in what should be, right?
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  So true.
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  I'm supposed to kegger.
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  Yeah.
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  Like I'm supposed to put on the freshman 15.
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  Like I'm supposed to write a passage.
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  I know.
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  You're supposed to have weird, unprotected sex.
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  Yeah.
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  Just like all of these things are just part of college experience, right?
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  It's supposed to be unhealthy and it's supposed to be promiscuous and it's supposed to be
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  inebriated.
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  Like, no, none of that.
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  Like literally none of that.
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  And I think young people today see that as their first big flex out of living at home,
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  and I love the mission of how do we get in and almost start that coaching with students
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  that that's not normal.
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  Yeah.
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  And I love that this is happening.
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  We're here at the Dave Aspery Biohacking Conference this week because we're all very
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  like-minded in that way.
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  But one of the things I love about what's going on, not necessarily with just the lifelong
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  well-being, but with the entire health and wellness, Bobby Kennedy, Maha, like all of
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  there's a tailwind right now.
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  And I think the tailwind actually, I'm going to say like, anybody in the Maha camp is
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  just like, yes, we're making it work, and you know, Bobby's feeling it and all of these
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  other things.
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  And that's great.
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  Like, I'm excited about that clearly.
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  Like, I'm a Maha fan, like, knees deep in it.
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  But the fact that I was just looking statistically that the generation, and this is you're familiar
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  with Domo, I'm sure, the new tropic drink.
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  Yeah.
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  And Philip and I were talking, but I was actually pulling some statistics for him on a marketing
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  thing because my primary business, I actually own an advertising agency that works with companies
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  in this space and whatnot.
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  And so I've been talking with Domo, in fact.
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  And generationally, you watch that alcohol use generation after generation has continued
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  to rise.
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  This current group, and part of it is accessibility, part of it is, you know, just social culture,
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  whatever part of it is increased levels of anxiety.
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  Just so many factors that we can correlate, not necessarily cause it, but this current
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  generation of college students, the 20-somethings right now, whatever the gen, whatever they
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  are, gen alpha or whatever they're calling them, it's like, has the lowest alcohol consumption
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  of the last like 60, 70 years.
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  That's incredible.
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  Yeah.
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  Wow.
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  The statistics right now, I was just watching that men in their early 20s are the fastest
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  growing segment of church attendance.
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  Oh, wow.
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  Right, right?
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  And I'm like, okay.
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  I've never seen that.
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  You know, I believe it.
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  My little brother, my half-brother is 19, and he's joined us already at ASU of all places.
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  I'm sorry.
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  I've fraternity.
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  He's too concerned.
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  He has joined a fraternity at ASU, and they don't really drink.
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  They have to maintain a certain GPA, so a grade level.
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  And they're all just phenomenal students and overachievers and brothers and athletes
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  and super healthy into biohacking, and you wouldn't think this of the ASU experience.
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  Right.
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  So I do think that things are shifting, even the way they communicate with one another
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  and there's just really healthy, deep communication that's intentional and it's emotional for men,
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  which is not normal, did not happen in our generation.
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  No.
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  So there is a shift that is happening where I think consciousness is shifting with the
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  younger generation, and it starts really with men because of way men treat other men
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  and then treat women that really does trickle down to the unity at home as well.
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  So I'm actually pretty optimistic, honestly, for future families and future children.
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  One of the things that's happened over the last few years is wellness is trending.
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  And I know it started as a trend on social media, but hey, let's use that influence
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  and the power of social media to further that trend and whatever influence you do have
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  to promote these healthy habits.
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  So I love seeing biohackers, celebrities really promoting things like pet-eyed therapies
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  or meditation any way to regulate your nervous system.
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  And I do think that the younger generation might be seeing it initially on social media,
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  but then incorporating it into their own daily practices.
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  And that's such a powerful tool that we can all use.
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  So I love it.
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  And you know, like I was mentioning, like the maha movement and Bobby Kennedy and all this stuff,
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  like all these things are great things.
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  And I think it's especially in the health industry, which we'll get into,
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  because it's like you guys work in this industry, you're seeing this.
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  And we see it as a tailwind.
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  And I think COVID started a lot of that too.
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  It's just going to say that.
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  People's awareness that my health is my problem, not somebody else's problem.
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  And I think what we're seeing on college campuses is actually a result of a lot of lock-ins
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  that did high school online.
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  But this tailwind, we're talking about people, let's just stay 20 years old.
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  It didn't start with Bobby Kennedy, right?
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  Bobby Kennedy really, I mean, not that he hasn't been obviously a prevalent person,
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  but his outspokenness and his current station is new.
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  Like college students didn't just jump on a Bobby Kennedy bandwagon.
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  This has been incubating for years in this.
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  You mentioned the consciousness, like there's a level up about health consciousness right
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  now.
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  And I think Bobby arrived on the scene at a time that it was already ready.
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  Yeah.
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  Like, and it's almost like he didn't start it.
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  He's actually part of the wave that had already been starting, if that makes sense.
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  Yeah.
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  He's just kind of a part of the conversation.
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  The conversation, one of the great things about social media, and I know there's adverse
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  things as well.
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  But one of the great things is information can spread and people can become empowered
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  with good information.
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  So the Gary Breka's, the Dave Asprey's, every single reel that's trending on biohacking
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  and health and wellness, 20-year-olds, 19-year-olds are exposed to this.
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  And I even have my brother sending me biohacks, so I don't go to.
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  And we're in the industry, you know?
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  There's a spread of information in this notion that we need to be empowered to become
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  the CEO of our own health and take our health into our own hands because conventional medicine,
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  even conventional society, doesn't really have our back in that regard.
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  And so people are becoming more empowered with knowledge, understanding the body, understanding
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  how to heal themselves, really doing the research themselves and taking that accountability.
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  And I think that's so important.
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  I'm going to go and learn about myself, learn about these modalities, bring information
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  to my doctor.
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  And then really make them accountable to look into it a little deeper.
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  So it's almost like we're becoming smarter with our own health.
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  And then that, in turn, really puts pressure on conventional medicine to and our regular
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  doctors to look into it a little bit more and up level and educate themselves and re-educate
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  and learn more about new practices.
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  So I think that there's this like revolution of power back to the people, which is good.
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  Love it.
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  And that starts at every level of society.
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  And it's interesting us working with a lot of women that are sort of in this paramedicosal
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  space.
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  They're kind of those college students who got into unhealthy patterns now, they're trying
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  to unbreak them, but they're doing it in their late 30s or early 40s.
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  And so you're unlearning everything that you had learned and now for the first time they're
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  taking their health into their own hands and doing things like how do I just manage my
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  weight, manage my mindset, how do I, what's basic health 101, which is really interesting
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  to see.
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  And I think a lot of that is we just didn't have the tools and information growing up,
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  what we thought was healthy even as far as nutrition wasn't actually healthy.
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  And I think as a world as a society, we're all just learning that and we're taking this
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  information and going and using it as we can to help even as far as like sugar and
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  to modulating our sugar and our insulin spikes.
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  I don't think we really knew any of this growing up, at least I didn't, I was eating what
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  I thought was healthy, I was eating whole wheat pasta and I was a vegetarian, I was a vegan
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  until I was 28 and an athlete training every day and wondering why I was lethargic, I was
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  tired, I was puffy and you know I'm in my early 20s and I'm feeling this way and I changed
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  my diet, I started eating more protein, high fiber proteins started regulating my hormones
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  optimizing my body at a really young age and just getting all of this like a sustainable
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  energy and feeling really good in my body.
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  And so I think at that point you start to learn and intuitively know what feels good
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  in your body and you gain more of the tools.
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  And now we have so many resources, there's AI, there's so much information online so
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  we have more of the tools and it's having a bigger conversation and it's really interesting.
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  The things we thought we were, I used to think that I was eating healthy because I would
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  eat kashi cereal and sped it and I was like, it must be good, like it's not frosted
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  flakes so this has to be good for you, like I would, and then again not that it didn't
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  taste good but I remember intentionally stopping to have some kashi for breakfast because
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  this was a healthy choice and I'm like man the things that we did and probably I'm going
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  to say we still do, that we just don't know otherwise, right, like we still do some
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  of that stuff.
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  I want to segue a little bit into what you do professionally because a couple of things
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  here and that is we could nerd out all day and I love the college campus, like the whole
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  time you guys are talking about this, you don't remember the Huey Lewis song, it's hip
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  to be square.
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  No.
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  You hear that song?
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  Yeah, it's an older song, I'm older than you, but it's like the whole song is it's
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  hip to be square and it was kind of this funny thing like, you know, if you're too
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  school for cool, like, you know, the pink lyric, like it's one of those things that like
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  the nerds actually are the ones that have it together and I'm like, and this, this college
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  campus group, like it's like the not the cool kids are actually turning into the cool kids
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  right now, right?
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  Yeah.
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  Like the bad asses are the ones who are actually taking care of their health and are going
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  to sleep on time and are not drinking, like, they're the ones that are going to take
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  over the world, right?
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  Like that, that's how that goes and I love that thought process.
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  Now, I'm going to tell you, before the show, I actually asked you because like I mentioned,
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  I met you guys last night and of course, I knew you as the, as, you're going to say
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  something?
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  No.
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  I was introduced to you as the Navin Girls and I was just like, oh, the Navin Girls, whatever.
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  And then you both come in, you're super cute, obviously.
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  And you know, you got your phones out and you're doing your selfies and I'm like, 20 something
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  influencers, whatever.
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  And obviously, I was like, whatever.
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  And you know, and then we have a deeper conversation today.
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  42 years old.
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  Yeah.
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  Now, I almost fell out of the chair when you told me that because I'm like, there's no way
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  you guys are 42 years old.
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  And yet looking at the list of accomplishments that you've managed to have together and the
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  way that you're actually doing that, like, you're your own advertisement.
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  Yeah.
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  You work in health coaching for women and you are your own advertising.
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  Well, I think everything that we've done in our career and a lot of it we've done together,
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  including identical twins, it's the work so well together.
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  Has come from our personal authentic journey from our health coaching.
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  We, like I mentioned before, I was a vegetarian for years in an athlete and I dealt with a lot
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  of health issues because of my diet and inflammation and not really knowing how to recover and
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  train properly and nourish my body.
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  So this started getting a lot of health issues later on in life.
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  My sister as well.
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  So that journey came from our own issues that we were dealing with, our skincare collection.
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  We started getting adult acne during that time as well.
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  So everything's been really authentic.
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  I think we can really speak to it from a really powerful place.
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  Yeah.
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  And the thing with women in this age group around 30 to 55, which is really when Perry
• 21:08
  Metapos starts.
• 21:09
  So I do say that sort of the core group is there's not a lot of information for us.
• 21:15
  We're really underserved.
• 21:16
  So.
• 21:17
  Well, and it's been a taboo topic, like I mean, women wanted to talk about that.
• 21:21
  It's been scary for women to think, oh my gosh, this next chapter of life, I'm kind of
• 21:25
  going to be undesirable to myself, expired.
• 21:28
  There's like a time limit on how valuable a woman's going to be and we don't talk about
• 21:33
  that.
• 21:34
  That's how we feel.
• 21:36
  And if you go to your doctor, they don't tell you when any of these things happen, they
• 21:39
  don't tell you about regulating your hormones.
• 21:41
  They don't talk about when metapos are paired, metapos happens.
• 21:45
  They don't talk about the changes in your skin and your body that can happen, what to
• 21:49
  expect.
• 21:50
  Our moms don't know, no one knows.
• 21:51
  So we're kind of like shooting in the dark in a way.
• 21:53
  But your moms also came out of the generation that believed that HRT was giving people breast
• 21:57
  cancer, which was complete misinformation as well.
• 22:00
  Yes, because of one study that happened.
• 22:01
  Because of one study that's performed badly.
• 22:03
  But by doctors properly, but um, correct, yes.
• 22:06
  So again, we're kind of like on helping women unlearn what they had learned in the past.
• 22:11
  So there's an opportunity for us because we have been our own advocates and kind of guinea
• 22:16
  pigs as to what works with doesn't work and we've been working with so many specialists
• 22:21
  and doctors and we actually partnered with an amazing compounding pharmacy.
• 22:25
  So we've been doing the work for women for about a decade and a half.
• 22:31
  So recently I had a conversation with somebody and it's actually come up a few times.
• 22:35
  You've used a word that I've seldom heard anybody use other than me.
• 22:39
  So I'm loving this and that is somebody had asked me, I was a guest on a podcast and the
• 22:44
  person was like, what are you learning lately?
• 22:47
  And it was kind of like, you know, we're all on this journey of self-development and, you
• 22:50
  know, what are you learning?
• 22:51
  What are you reading?
• 22:52
  What are you studying?
• 22:53
  And my answer was honestly, I don't know that I'm learning anything specific right now.
• 22:57
  I think I'm in a stage of life where I'm unlearning.
• 23:00
  Exactly.
• 23:01
  Yeah.
• 23:02
  And I got this response that was just kind of like, that was a weird answer to that.
• 23:06
  Like, what are you studying?
• 23:07
  Well, I'm learning everything again.
• 23:09
  And I was like, honestly, I'm unlearning.
• 23:10
  I'm challenging everything I knew and the dumbest stuff is just blowing my mind because
• 23:19
  there's so many things that we think we understand because it got anchored so many years back.
• 23:25
  And then all of a sudden we get into this present version of ourselves and we're like,
• 23:30
  wait a minute.
• 23:31
  And a dumb example, I like cut my finger off at Easter, like the entire thing, but like
• 23:37
  the entire top of my finger was cut off and it just healed that fast, you know, and
• 23:42
  I'm like a pioneer hecking.
• 23:44
  But what was funny is I actually looked up online because my first reaction, and this
• 23:47
  is something super stupid, but like my first reaction was to poor peroxide on it to
• 23:53
  clean it out, right?
• 23:54
  And I was like, I don't know why, but I'm in the stage of unlearning right now and I
• 23:57
  feel like I need to look up that fact.
• 24:00
  Only to learn that pouring peroxide on a cut is actually one of the worst things you
• 24:03
  can do because not only do you stop your body's own natural immune response to be able
• 24:10
  because your body's built to fight that type of infection up to a point, but I didn't
• 24:15
  know that the peroxide actually kills all the new growth because it can't tell the
• 24:19
  difference from an underdeveloped cell from an infectious cell and it kills everything
• 24:23
  which stunts regrowth.
• 24:24
  And I was like, well, like I never knew that.
• 24:28
  And when I think of something as silly as that, right?
• 24:31
  Like a, when I think of something as crazy as my chameleon, my iguana-type finger that
• 24:38
  just grows back after it gets chopped off, I do wonder about women.
• 24:44
  Like I just mentioned, like your moms didn't or your mom didn't come from a generation
• 24:49
  that understood menopause, right?
• 24:51
  It was the change of life and like I grew up with my grandmother and my grandmother was
• 24:56
  always the change of life and, you know, people are coming to the change and it was like
• 25:00
  you never said the word menopause, like there was just such a taboo topic and it was just
• 25:06
  always a thing and you run an online coaching business, you know, say an online clinic if
• 25:14
  you will where you are actually helping women understand what's going on with their own
• 25:19
  bodies and, I mean, you're literally unlearning coaches.
• 25:23
  Yeah, I love that, but it's such a good way to, so yeah, all the words that are taboo,
• 25:28
  like menstruation and menopause and all the things we talk about with women, but that
• 25:33
  conversation didn't happen before and we don't just focus on this sector, but I do feel
• 25:38
  like these women really need the most support on their health journey.
• 25:42
  So what we do through the Navon Clinic is we have a component that is a coaching, a wellness
• 25:47
  and weight loss component. So we have an amazing group of practitioners and coaches that will
• 25:52
  help women put together what we call a blueprint for whatever they're coming to us for.
• 25:57
  So say they're looking to lose weight or optimize their energy or balance their hormones and
• 26:03
  regulate their hormones, anything like that we put together a food protocol, a nutrition
• 26:08
  protocol, biohacking protocol, and we utilize peptide therapies. So we partnered with a
• 26:13
  compounding pharmacy and we do a lot of peptide therapies, vitamin injections, and medications
• 26:18
  that can help to really uplevel the biology. So for instance, I'm 42, but my biological age is
• 26:24
  25.6 because of these medalities. I've been able to completely transform what's going on inside
• 26:31
  the body. So I'd like to say when you look under the hood with testing, you're able to really fine-tune
• 26:35
  what's going on there. So we help to put together these protocols and we're huge trans of using
• 26:41
  things like NAD Plus or even like a microdose of a GLP1 to help a woman in that category who's
• 26:48
  just having trouble bringing off the extra weight, you know, that visceral fat. There's a great
• 26:55
  product I'm going to recommend to you. Do you know who Dr. Fab Mancini is? I do not.
• 26:59
  Senior Dr. Fab, I'll introduce you. These partners in a company called Brain IQ and before you
• 27:05
  leave, I want to give you one. It's actually a GLP1 formulated caramel. They're incredible.
• 27:11
  Amazing. I literally keep some in my bag because I'm like, it'll just like, you know, I'm hungry,
• 27:16
  but I don't have time to eat. I don't like eat a caramel. It tastes really good, but it literally
• 27:20
  has GLP1 effect. It's kind of like a custom formulated thing. I'll share with you. But there's
• 27:28
  so many things out there that you can be helping women with and obviously, you know, unlearning
• 27:34
  coaches, right? You know, like rewiring what's going on. A little bit has to do also with the
• 27:39
  emotional relationship to food, craving centers in the brain, feeling undesired if they're in a
• 27:47
  marriage or lost their identity after having children. There's a lot that goes on in a woman's
• 27:52
  mind and body connection. Even talking about unlearning, for instance, a lot, we treat a lot of
• 27:58
  people that have got dysbiosis from antibiotic use, you know, we didn't know that antibiotics
• 28:04
  really killed the entire community. So the good bacteria, the flora, all of that community that's
• 28:08
  a communication center between different parts of the body. When you're taking antibiotics and
• 28:14
  they used to give antibiotics for everything before people really knew the effect. It's killing
• 28:18
  everything in the body. What you need to really replenish and nourish and pull nutrients from the
• 28:23
  food is also being killed. So there's a lot of just basic health 101 that we help women with.
• 28:29
  And then again, focus really around weight loss because that's usually the biggest issue for
• 28:34
  women as they age and then look at cellular energy. So really mitochondrial health and then
• 28:39
  helping things like modulating glucose, insulin resistance and just doing kind of like an
• 28:46
  autophagy of the entire body. So a house cleaning of the entire body with our peptide therapies.
• 28:50
  Yeah. So it's been, it's been such a rewarding journey to help a lot of these women because we
• 28:56
  went through it ourselves too. Yeah. And one of the best parts, I think the program is the one
• 29:00
  on one coaching because we really look at the entire lifestyle. I think when you go to a doctor
• 29:04
  and you're like, here's a symptom. I'm overwhelmed. I want to lose weight or I'm tired. They'll give you
• 29:09
  something to treat that. But they don't really, I'm generalizing, but most doctors don't really
• 29:15
  look at your lifestyle, how's your sleep, what's your energy, what's what does the entire picture
• 29:20
  look like. So with our coaching program, we go through everything. We've also partnered with
• 29:24
  function health. So we look at all of your biomarkers with our doctors. Of course, we look at all of
• 29:30
  your levels, see where you're at. And you can just fine tune some of those things, shift a few things
• 29:34
  in your daily routine, up level, your nutrition, customize your fitness program for women,
• 29:41
  depending on where they're at and their stage of life and their cycles. And their cycle and it
• 29:46
  makes such a huge difference. Those things alone. And then you take that information and you can
• 29:51
  do it on your own. So you let us guide you for a month or two and to do it on your own. And what's
• 29:56
  really cool about the program is a lot of women come to us initially just wanting to lose weight
• 30:00
  because they want to look good and feel good. But really what they leave with is a healthier body,
• 30:06
  a healthier mind, a boosted immune system. Their hormones are regulated. If you've got higher
• 30:12
  cholesterol levels, the lower your cholesterol levels, like they leave us so much more and they
• 30:17
  feel really empowered. And they got the weight loss. And they got the weight loss. Yeah, because
• 30:21
  they fix that. That's just kind of like the cherry on top. And even if you think about just this
• 30:26
  70% of people in America have leaky got, you know, you fix a gut. You're fixing that center that
• 30:34
  produces a lot of the serotonin. So there's a gut brain access and you're actually shifting your
• 30:39
  mindset, helping to have a healthier brain, feeling better and more motivated every day when you wake
• 30:44
  up does really change your experience in life. And really know that because I wake up so excited
• 30:51
  for the day. You know, even if it's a stressful day and I have a head of time, I feel like your health
• 30:57
  changes your experience. And when you're healthy, you just have more vitality. And that really
• 31:02
  changes your entire life and your relationships too. It's really fun to see couples come in and
• 31:07
  do the program together because their relationship just improves exponentially through getting healthier.
• 31:14
  You know, it's like you're in a better mood. Your libido is increased. You just feel sexier and
• 31:19
  better about yourself. So it's fun to see couples come in. Our working relationship really up
• 31:24
  leveled when we started biohacking together. Yeah, really does. So it just trickles into your entire
• 31:28
  life. Absolutely. Well guys, so I want to ask, so we talked about naven clinics a bit and where
• 31:33
  people can, you know, engage with that and specifically to women, but not necessarily just women.
• 31:38
  Yeah. But you also have a skin care line called coa. Coa life. Coa life. And so I want to,
• 31:45
  I talk about that real quick, because one of the, we live in a culture and I don't know how
• 31:52
  I want to frame this real quick. We live in a culture of self love and, you know, you know,
• 32:00
  it's shameful to physically be attractive because, you know, you should love yourself the way you
• 32:07
  are. And all this other, you know, and I'm sorry, I find a lot of it. I think that people should
• 32:12
  have a healthy self image, but I think they should always be journeying towards improvement.
• 32:15
  Yeah, up level. Absolutely. Why would you not? Why not? And so you've got a skin care line.
• 32:22
  Clearly you're, you're both beautiful women. Now, thank you. Yeah, and I don't mean to make
• 32:27
  sound weird creeper, but like, I mean, you're both very attractive. But aside from that, I want to say,
• 32:33
  like, yes, you're beautiful, but clearly you take care of yourselves. And that's, that's the
• 32:38
  bigger compliment is not, oh, you were born with beauty, but rather you actually take time.
• 32:43
  Yeah, you're both put together. You're both dressed well. You both are, you know,
• 32:47
  your hair is done. Your makeup's done. Like you, you're very conscious of the way you look.
• 32:51
  Is that part of a person's wellbeing? Well, I think that the way you do one thing is the way
• 32:57
  you do everything. And I know this because I also have had a point in life where we experience
• 33:03
  burnout, which led to really bad cystic acne and bad time management, just everything kind
• 33:10
  of unraveled. And so when we changed that in our 30s, is when we developed co-life, we developed
• 33:17
  co-life the solution from a problem, which was burnout, not really having everything together
• 33:24
  in this proper order that organization was lost. And then we healed our skin and
• 33:29
  intern healed our body with these products. So a lot of it was our mental health as well,
• 33:34
  having cystic acne. And then we had mold poisoning, all the talks and overload really affected
• 33:41
  for me, my mental health. I was depressed. I didn't want to leave the house. You couldn't cover it
• 33:45
  up with makeup, but it wasn't just about the acne. I just was feeling lethargic and depressed
• 33:51
  all the time and low energy. And I didn't want to be social really affected. Yeah, and taking
• 33:55
  it back to this notion that taking care of yourself is self love. I think everyone has this opinion
• 34:02
  of what does it mean to love yourself? I really feel that it's feeling comfortable in your own
• 34:07
  skin. And for me, when I'm healthy, I feel comfortable. When I'm not inflamed, I feel comfortable.
• 34:12
  When I feel radiant and beautiful, however, that looks to the individual, I feel comfortable,
• 34:17
  because I feel confident I can have good eye contact. I can put my best foot forward. So energy.
• 34:23
  Yeah, so we focus on not just the vanity part of skincare, but the actual health of the skin cell.
• 34:30
  So it's all about skin health, skin barrier health. And so we do peptide and food skincare.
• 34:35
  And we partnered with the same amazing compounding pharmacy. So we have the purest grade peptides
• 34:40
  we use. NAD and then copper derived peptide in our skincare. And there's a lot of clinical
• 34:45
  studies on these ingredients helping to reduce sun damage by 70%. Helping to increase water
• 34:51
  retention by 25x. So there's a lot of research on these peptides actually going intracellular
• 34:58
  and helping DNA damage on a chromosomal level. So it's not just hydrating your skin.
• 35:04
  It's going into the cell and over a period of about 30 days, really healing a lot of the oxidative
• 35:09
  stress that might be in the cell causing havoc, causing it to deteriorate and helping to heal
• 35:14
  on such a deep, deep level. So it's really the differentiator is our peptide impuse premium
• 35:20
  skincare. So it's not just about what you look like. It's about actually saving the cell and
• 35:25
  healing the cell over time. But I think there's a synergy between those two things is what I'm
• 35:32
  going for and that is I'm always going back to my background's clinical psychology and I'm always
• 35:36
  going back to mindset. It's one thing to be healthy. And biologically we can be healthy, but a
• 35:42
  psychologically unhealthy person in a biologically healthy body doesn't exist. One impacts the other
• 35:49
  and the other way around. And I'll bottom shelf it and say I go back, my grandmother always
• 35:54
  used the phrase when you feel your worst look your best. And as much as that was her old Italian
• 35:59
  you know, widestism, the reality is I'm like those are probably the days that when you look good,
• 36:04
  you feel different. But you show up and you just show up in the world different. And I think when
• 36:10
  you guys are coaching, again women, but not necessarily women. And you're coaching on things as deep
• 36:18
  as gut microbiome reparation. But you're also coaching on things like skin care. I mean no one
• 36:25
  ever died from acne, right? Like that it's not that acne is a is a health condition that's life
• 36:30
  right. Unless it was an infection inside the body causing acne. Well, because the acne itself
• 36:34
  becomes a symptom of a deeper issue, which I agree. I'm a big fan of to express is your skin.
• 36:39
  Correct. But anything that goes on in your skin is an expression of something that's going
• 36:43
  into it. Your skin doesn't have a disease. Your skin is a biological signal. Yes, absolutely.
• 36:49
  But to the to the point, no one died of acne. But getting rid of the acne changed life. Yeah,
• 36:56
  exactly. Because you feel more social. You feel like you're willing to go engage. And I think
• 37:01
  that happened particularly even with COVID because you know, acne became the I have to wear a mask.
• 37:06
  Yeah. And as I got to wear a mask and go out in public, like I just don't even feel like doing
• 37:10
  it. I'll just stay home. But I love the fact. I mean, that was kind of a weird diversion. But it
• 37:16
  made me think of correlations there. But I think the way that you guys are dealing with people
• 37:21
  holistically is is what matters most. Like you're helping people unlearn. Yeah. So much. And part
• 37:28
  of that on learning to my point is you're helping people unlearn that vanity is not bad. Yeah.
• 37:33
  Like vanity is good because vanity shows up in your mental health. Oh, 100% and the phrase I like
• 37:38
  is be until you become where you can really it's like a fake it until you make it. But I like be
• 37:43
  until you become because we can all embody that person we want to become. And that's the notion.
• 37:48
  And you'll hear it from any coach that works with executives. So it can be physical. It can be
• 37:53
  this emotional embodiment. But you want to embody the boss or embody that like very feminine woman
• 37:59
  that you want to be. And then you start to become her. And so that has to do with how you get up
• 38:05
  every morning. Do you? Are you organized? Do you make your beds? Do you have your routine
• 38:09
  for supplements to invest in you first? Do you look good? Do you put your best foot forward? Do
• 38:15
  you keep your body healthy? This beautiful vessel that God has given us? Do you really treat it
• 38:20
  well? So it's like am I investing in me? And I think that comes back to that conversation is
• 38:25
  women have typically put themselves on the back. They're selfless. They take care of their kids.
• 38:30
  Their husbands are careers first. And so we're bringing the conversation, honing it back into
• 38:35
  let's invest in us first as women because we're first of all creating life. So our wellness is
• 38:41
  as important for the world as it is for us because future children come from women. So we really have
• 38:47
  to invest in our in women's health and then invest in us and allow us to put our best foot forward
• 38:52
  for every other aspect of our life. And everyone else is affected by that even in little ways.
• 38:57
  I mean, you're immediate relationships. If you put yourself first and you're feeling empowered,
• 39:01
  you've energetically feel good. You have more energy to show up for the people around you and
• 39:06
  you show up in such a better way. So there's yeah. And there's so much you mentioned the next
• 39:11
  generation type, you know, women are literally creating the next generation. Yeah. And yet what's
• 39:17
  going on in your body is being passed down to the next generation, you know, in vitro. Yeah,
• 39:24
  exactly. Yeah. The unhealthy habits of a woman now become biologically,
• 39:29
  yes, energetic and synergically, yes, but quite biologically, like the child is dealing with whatever
• 39:36
  the mother carried right down to trauma. Yeah. Like the child is getting that past the
• 39:42
  one. And I love what you guys are doing because again, I go back to that unlearning thing.
• 39:46
  That's probably my big takeaway from our conversation is that you're helping people unlearn
• 39:52
  the things that they thought and and one of those unlearnings I believe is that,
• 39:57
  you know, that you made the comment about how women are used to putting everybody else first.
• 40:01
  And they were taught that that was a virtue. Yeah. And one of the unlearnings is that it's okay
• 40:06
  to prioritize yourself. It's not selfish to put myself first. No. That's the unlearning is it's
• 40:13
  actually it's a beautiful and it should be your number one priority. It all starts with you first.
• 40:20
  If you show up day-to-day with mental cleanliness with your best foot forward with a calm nervous
• 40:27
  system, you are going to be better for everybody. You show up better for everybody. In the book that I
• 40:32
  read my most recent book that I publish called Radical Generosity. And it's like I actually go
• 40:37
  through the five, what do I want to use the five virtues or the five types of generosity. And
• 40:45
  I mean, it's funny because like financial, short time, yeah, wisdom, yeah, relational, got it.
• 40:52
  But the fifth one is actually generosity to yourself. And the whole chapter is talks about how I
• 40:58
  can't show up for anybody else in the world. It's the put on your own oxygen mask before you help
• 41:03
  the people next to you that I have to be generous to myself or I'm an empty vessel trying to help
• 41:09
  anybody else around me. And I love that you guys are actually teaching women again, not exclusively
• 41:15
  women. I don't want to niche you in that way. But you are, yeah, clearly. And it's like with the idea
• 41:22
  that you're helping women understand and feel validated that taking care of themselves physically,
• 41:29
  taking care of themselves psychologically, social hygiene in the way that they surround themselves
• 41:34
  with people that are like-minded. Because I think a lot of times we surround ourselves with people
• 41:39
  that say the college years, we end up becoming friends with the people that we end up staying friends
• 41:44
  with for a long time. But I can be honest and tell you like most of the friends that I had in college,
• 41:48
  like I don't have a lot in common with you anymore. And it's okay to do a bit of a social detox.
• 41:54
  I think that's healthy. You don't have to necessarily cut people out of your life. But knowing
• 42:00
  what you do want energetically in your life and what just isn't aligned anymore. And for me,
• 42:05
  personally, as soon as I hit about 35, I went through a huge detox in just the people in my life.
• 42:11
  And of course, I will be there for them. But I think I made a huge shift in just choosing
• 42:18
  better, more aligned people in my life energetically really helped. And people that are on the same
• 42:23
  mission as me. And I'll say this. When you're in a room full of winners,
• 42:29
  winning isn't bragging. And when you're in a room full of people who aren't on that same winning
• 42:35
  path, there's almost a shame to talking about how you're showing up in life really well. Because it
• 42:40
  sounds like you're bragging about it. And it's like my closest people now are people that I'm in a
• 42:46
  room full of people that I'm like, wow, what would they want to do with me? As opposed to who are
• 42:52
  these people that I'm in this room with, right? And it changes the entire shift and the way you
• 42:56
  show up. Guys, it has been like so nice having you guys here. I really had no idea what to expect
• 43:01
  when we started this conversation. But Navin is the is the clinic for people to look up. And Coal
• 43:09
  Life is the skincare that you have founded and continue to formulate new solutions for people.
• 43:14
  All of that information will be down below in all of the show notes here on the performance
• 43:18
  driven living podcast. Guys, what advice would you give to somebody? I always give you the last word.
• 43:23
  Would you give to anybody who is just wanting to live a life? Again, that's a driven by performance
• 43:30
  that that 1% difference. I think that it all comes back to health. So health is vitality. So
• 43:37
  it's number one, first and foremost. And then I do want to encourage women to have this notion of
• 43:43
  please take up space, be big, be around people that don't make you feel small, but feel big,
• 43:48
  be bright and bold. It's such a movement that we're trying to instill for women right now. So
• 43:53
  those are my two biggest kind of pieces of the vice. Yeah. Yeah. And wherever you're going to start,
• 43:59
  just make sure you do start. It can be overwhelming, but it's actually really simple. And you know,
• 44:07
  you just got to start somewhere. Yeah, step one, step one. Yeah. Love it. Thank you guys so much.
• 44:12
  Thank you for being here. I thank you for taking the time. I hope you enjoy the show. Thanks.
• 44:16
  And get to walk the floor a bit. Love it. Thank you for joining us today. And we will see more of you soon.