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6 - One Unhappy Camper (Is camping a real vacation?) · Arguing Ever After

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Hello and welcome to Arguing Ever After.
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I'm Luke and this is my wife Amber, who amazes me to this
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And so here we are, at our very 6th episode.
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Number six, I'm going to run out of fingers at some point.
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I hope not. I mean, let's keep the 10 you
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have. I'll try, but we'll have to use.
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We have together. We can go up to like 20.
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So. If we get to our 21st episode,
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we'll have to bring out toes. We use symbols.
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Oh, toes. We're not.
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We're not. No, sorry, no toes for you.
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No, not happening. I guess too far.
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So this weekend we just got back from a trip up north and we go
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up north, not regularly, but maybe a couple times a year.
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We have family, her sister lives up there and up north, just so
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you people know who maybe don't know us or live nearby in
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Minnesota. We have an up north, which is
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the northern half of the state and we border Canada.
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So it's like mostly a giant forest at some point.
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So that's where we go and we like it.
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Yeah, it's a lot of fun to get away a little bit from the
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cities for a lot of folks. I really do enjoy seeing my
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sister and some wonderful friends that we have who live
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again in practically Canada. So we we get to know it better
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and better every time we go. And we had a really great trip
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and we had some friends along too.
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So it was, it was a wonderful time.
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And it's just, it's always amazing how just getting away
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just for a little bit can just, well, recharge you a little.
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But then also, you know, travel is always, always its own thing.
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So I don't know but. I love to travel.
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I wish I could travel like all the time and just bring my life
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and my house and my bed and my pets.
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There's a lot of stuff I want to bring with.
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This could be a problem. I really just want to, but what
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is what is the word I'm looking for?
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Where you magically are in one spot to another?
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Teleport. Yes, I want to teleport.
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Back to sci-fi again. Except for you're right though,
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because you I don't think that there's so much stuff you have
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to bring with that probably wouldn't work for for anything
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really. So.
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Unless we had a massive teleportation tonight, because
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also I'd like to bring our friends sometimes.
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Yeah, no offense. I want to bring you sometimes.
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Well, so we were up north, which is again what we call it.
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It's we are north, but we're up north of our north and almost
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Canada. And one of the reasons why
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people go there is it's really beautiful and there's a lot of
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outdoorsy things to do that that isn't necessarily a reason why I
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go up there. But this last time, for sure,
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there was a lot of fun had by others.
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The other thing we like to do when we're up north, you can do
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it down South, you can do it anywhere.
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But when we go up north, we like to go off roading a little bit
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and. We have a Jeep.
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I, I kind of like the idea of being outside, but in a enclosed
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space so that the bugs can't get to me and you can just kind of
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drive through the woods. It's it's nice for sure.
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See, and I don't mind if we put the top down on the Jeep, put a
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little bug spray on and just hope we don't get eaten alive.
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You have to put bug spray on and you will still get bug bites
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when you're. That's true when you're in
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northern Minnesota, but. Mosquitoes are intense up north.
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They are, and they're hungry. There's not that many people,
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you know that's true. A few of the people though are
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fans of our podcast, so shout out to our Up North listeners or
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watchers however you're consuming.
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That was great. All of you almost Canadians.
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Almost Canadians good work, yes, and when we were up there, of
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course, you know, we talked to a couple people about, hey, well,
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we have this podcast and so you know, maybe we'll have some new
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listeners from there as well. And I and I hope so, but there's
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always a little bit of a contention between us as to what
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we do when we're up there. You know, there's other, there's
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a lot of cute little shops and things like that that I've never
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been to that I would like to go to.
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But it's, it's when we are in the day hours, it's about being
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outside and not doing the stuff that we could do at home.
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Are you talking about like the little kitschy stores?
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I love kitschy stores. Those are my favorite kind of
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stores. I love going into a store that
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has something that you just won't find everywhere.
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And we don't have a lot of that at all nearby.
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It's a lot of, you know, a lot of stores that well, I love the
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kitschy stores. While we were up there, I did
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happen to go into Target. That was the only store I went
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to, which is funny because even though, you know, we we drove
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where we were going and I filled up with everything I thought I
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needed, I still happened to have to go to Target.
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And it helped me out too, because one of the things that
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when we go off roading, so up north in Minnesota, a lot of it
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is and was iron ore mining territory, because there's iron
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in the soil, it turns the soil bright orange.
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So when you like, walk around up there.
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In some places, in some. Places like out in the woods, if
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it's been very rainy and you're near 1 of the iron ore deposits,
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the literally the mud is like unnaturally orange.
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Like you see it and you're like, what's going on with this
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radioactive Simpsons episode? Call back to one of our podcasts
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anyway, like you have to get stuff that you're ready to sort
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of ruin clothing wise. And I forgot my off roading
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shoes, which are shoes that you know, like it's like your grass
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cutting shoes. It's I bring those, but I forgot
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mine. So part of the Target run was
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Luke had to get some emergency very inexpensive shoes.
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And shout out to Target for having some very inexpensive
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shoe options for a guy that go walk around in the mud.
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The other part of the Target run is that the world hates me,
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nature hates me, and I forgot my allergy medication at home, so
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there was no way I was going out into the wild without having
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that allergy medication. It would have been a very
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miserable trip for, yeah, everyone, not just me.
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So. Shout out to future potential
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sponsor Target. Just want you guys.
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Yeah, yeah, I really. Appreciate good work there and
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if you ever need our help you just you hit us up.
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Yeah, I appreciate you being there when I when I need you the
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most when when the sinuses are all congested and you just know
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that it's going to be miserable of that.
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So, but just thinking about when you go even on a vacation or
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something, all the things that you need to bring, you know, and
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there are people who are choosing to do more than just
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like, I mean, we stayed at a hotel.
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There are people who go up north and they're camping.
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And I mean at a hotel, at least they have your towels and they
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have all these like they have a lot of the stuff that you need.
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But when you're camping, like you have to carry all of that
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stuff. So I, I'm definitely glad that
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we don't go camping when we're up there because I, well, I
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don't know how I would carry all the things it.
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Depends on the level of camping. There's also the new fad.
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Maybe it's not new glamping where I don't even know really
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what that means, but I feel like it's you have, do you have like
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an RV? Is it?
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I don't know if that's a. Requirement, but it would be for
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me or is it? Like you rent a tiny cabin that
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has running. Why is that called glamping and
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I don't know. We will.
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Have some listeners who know what glamping is.
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Please tell us in the comments because we literally don't know.
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No, I have no idea. It's glamorous camping, yes,
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which for you is a Does not compute I.
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No situation. No, I don't.
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There's no. Glamorous camping there's no.
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Glamorous camping and you know, like just the amount of things
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that you would need to make it glamorous.
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I just I was before. Fergie like camping because she
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is glamorous. She.
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Is glamorous glamorous but beforehand before we started
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talking this this episode has been in the discussion since
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almost immediately because this camping is one of those things
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that we live on different levels of existence with I.
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But before this episode, because, you know, I am the
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researcher of the two of us, no one would have guessed it.
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Yeah, but I was looking and there were a few things that I I
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looked at. And one of the things I was
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looking at was it was talking about 30 essential items for
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camping. And I that sounds.
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Like a lot, but it might be right, yeah.
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That's a lot of things to remember.
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Do you? Remember I forgot.
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My, I forgot my allergy medication.
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That's true. I take it every single day.
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Yeah. And they're like you take it.
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In the cities where we live, for pollen in the cities.
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And then we went up into the forest, Yeah, where there's like
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a lot more. There's a lot.
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More of all the things that just make make me not be able to
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breathe. But like that one, like one
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thing for me was that on. The list.
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No. So there's. 31 essential items
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well for. Me, there'd be a lot more than
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31 because actually while I was looking at the list, most of the
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items I was like, I would have never thought of ever bringing
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anywhere. They just say a.
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Pocket knife? I bet it did, no?
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They had a all in one tool or something like that which had
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lots of tools in it and but I don't know why I would need it.
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And they also, the other thing I thought was interesting is they
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had like lighting and that that was an essential thing, like a
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Lantern. No.
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Like string lights and stuff. String lights, well, a.
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String clip on I don't know this is.
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For glamping, no. Well, I have no idea 'cause I
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have. We don't know what.
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That is, I don't. I don't what else do you?
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Remember, this is interesting. They had.
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Thermal blankets thermal. Blanket.
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Why would you just have a sleeping bag?
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I don't. Know this is the world out there
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in the woods is unknowing. The other thing I saw that they
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had was well water. They had the thermal blanket and
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a waterproof blanket and I don't know why they can't make a
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thermal waterproof blanket and just solve both those problems,
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do they think? You're camping in a lake.
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Well, up north in the Boundary Waters, and it didn't say this
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wasn't just for up north. This was just camping in general
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anywhere and probably any place that you would go and, and there
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was a tent and they had a hammock and and they had a
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couple of items and I was like, that's pretty genius.
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And I don't know if you'd need it necessarily for camping.
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I object. To hammock.
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I mean, I think it'd be nice, but I don't know that I'd call
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it essential. What, do you guys just sit on a
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rock all the time? Yeah.
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Oh, that sounds pretty awful. OK.
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Maybe I maybe I'm wrong I guess. They also did have like, you
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know, a fire starter thing, which I don't, I don't know what
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that thing's called, but a quick start for Flintstick, Sure, a
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Flintstick rub a little. Thing and it sparks in there.
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Oh, it was. It was more sophisticated than
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that. It was called like fire start a
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lighter. No, no, not a lighter.
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I don't know. I have no idea, 'cause again, I
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when I go out into nature, I'm going to a hotel to go to
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nature. It's a short.
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Trip. Well, yeah.
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Oh, it's short duration. No, I have no desire to do an
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overnight outside. That's awful.
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I I really don't. I don't like when there's a bug
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in my house. Fair.
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So I mean, when you're outside, there's bugs everywhere.
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Well, Oh yeah, where isn't there bug I.
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Mean, I guess technically that's true.
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We well, when we were off roading and we were in the woods
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off roading and I don't know if anyone would I don't I consider
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it in the woods. I don't know if you consider it
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in the woods. I don't know if woods folks
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would consider it in the woods. The.
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Woods people. The woods people, I don't know
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if they would, but it was woodsy, but there were bugs
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everywhere. You can't be like, you roll down
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the window, they're just in there.
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There they are. Oh, those biting flies and all
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sorts of just so many mosquitoes.
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But they're just wanting to get wherever the human is and it's
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you're outnumbered. A lot.
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Massively outnumbered instead of, you know, like the one bug
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in my house, you know, and the one bug in my house I would be
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happy to like catch and set free.
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And in general, I say, if you're outside, that's where you live
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and I don't need to kill you. But I am, I am murderous when it
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comes to mosquitoes for sure. I just like, that's the one
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thing that I'm like, I have 0 sympathy for you.
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You're trying to eat me and that little.
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Vampire. Aren't they like the?
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Deadliest creature I think. Technically, yes, yeah.
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They spread all sorts of awful diseases.
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I they're, they're horrible, horrible.
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And you know, the other thing too with being outside is, you
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know, the weather's unpredictable, right?
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Like you can plan, you know, months in advance cause a lot of
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times you have to if you're going camping or something like
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that, which I don't do, but you have to plan that.
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And where we would be going in the up N Minnesota is like it,
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it could be snowing, it could be raining, who knows.
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When we were there, there was like some sort of pretty large
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storm system that went through. We didn't necessarily hear, but
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if we were out camping our tent would have gotten really wet.
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That's true. But we got to stay nice and dry.
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But I think there were like severe storms.
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I have no idea really what happened 'cause I was in the
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nice we did. Have fire alarms for no reason
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we. Did that that happened at our
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hotel but it wasn't. I would definitely prefer a fire
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alarm to having a tent that is soaked in severe thunderstorm,
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torrential rain type of type of scenario that they were talking
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about which you could not plan for seven months in advance.
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It's just weather be weather. I don't know.
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I haven't done any research as you pointed out.
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I don't know. I know that they make like
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different types of like base, like stuff you put under your
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tent, like there's always a tarp.
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So maybe they make like hardcore tarp, like if you're going
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during the rainy season or something.
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We have campy friends we could ask them.
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We do have our friends who camp and every once in a while they
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are really curious and if we'll go with them.
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And the answer from me is always no, not happening.
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If there's a hotel nearby, I will meet you wherever it is
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that you are. But I like to sleep in a bed.
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Beds are nice. I I.
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Really like beds I like I like electricity a lot I like showers
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oh that's the other thing one of the essential 30 items was a
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portable hot shower and I I it was this is for.
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Glamping. It looked like a a like a
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freaking IV bag that it said it was heated by the sun.
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Sun heated. By the sun I was.
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Blocking ears. She was like.
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This. Yeah, Yep.
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Sorry, trying to get volts. Over here.
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Heated by the solar. Heated.
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This is for sure glamping. I've been camping a bunch of
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times so far. Zero of the things you mentioned
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are on the list. So you didn't have like one of
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those cooler picnic table combos?
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A what it looks. Like a really bad, it was a
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cooler where you had like you, you moved some of the things and
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it turned into a cooler. Table combo, yeah.
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Yeah, I mean. OK so I've done different types
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of camping. Admittedly all of this was when
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I was younger, but. The world has changed,
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certainly. I'm sure.
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But like I've done some Boundary Waters camping and like you have
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to carry physically all of your gear and there's no car or
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motorized boat available to get you to the places you're going
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to go. So you have a canoe and you have
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huge backpacks. So like you're not carrying a
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cooler on your back or a picnic table or a solar powered shower
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or like I said it. Looks like AIV bag OK.
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I have done camping where we've brought like, you know,
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inflatable air mattresses and coolers and stuff because
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there's campsites that you can drive up to and then you walk a
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little bit to the campsite itself.
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Maybe that would fit some of these items.
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But I've yet so far I'm like I think I'm old for 0 for however
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many of the things you said on any camping thing that I've done
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or been a part of. There was special toilet paper,
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which really isn't toilet paper if you don't have a toilet.
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Well, that's true. Then it's just, well, I guess I
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was going to say bathroom tissue, no.
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There's no back. Just butt wipes at that point,
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I, I thought that was
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interesting. I would have never thought that
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you need a special kind of toilet paper.
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Yeah. There has to be no toilet.
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There is no toilet. Biodegradable, compostable,
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something like that. I mean if.
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There's not even a toilet. Why not even?
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A porta potty I. Oh and those are awful.
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I hate porta potties. I'm pretty everyone.
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Hates those. I know they're awful.
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I mean every once in a while you might find one that's like
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fresh, never been used or or whatever, I don't know, freshly
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cleaned or the beginning of a season.
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But man, I just. I still would prefer that though
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to no toilet. OK.
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I would be the opposite. OK, well we then.
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Again, we're different. We are.
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We are built a little differently, but I would I am
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and forever will be preferring some sort of toilet, which is
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why I don't want to camp. One of the reasons I don't camp.
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There's also don't like that you just you've.
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Been camping like how many times though?
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Once. That was enough.
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It was I. Didn't even know.
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I probably knew that and forgot because it's like a traumatic
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memory to think that you've only ever been camping once and wrote
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it on. I mean we.
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Tented in the backyard, but not in my backyard.
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We didn't have a tent, but I had a friend who had a tent and so
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we would, I mean. Backyard camping still counts,
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but it's not camping camping. So when I was a kid, my mom and
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dad worked really hard to get me to go to a Girl Scout camp.
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Oh. Like our our daughter who's a
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Girl Scout girl. Scout camps, yes.
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So that's what I did and and it was just wet, even though it
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wasn't everything was damp. It was buggy where I was
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camping. We did have cots and like the
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cots had mice in them and all sorts of I mean, I don't know if
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my cot did. Maybe it was a maybe it was a
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myth, but I'm I'm pretty sure so you don't.
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Even know if it's true I. Think it's true 'cause you would
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hear things moving in the middle of the night and that was.
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Very normal. I don't.
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Like that nature? Moves all 24 hours of the day.
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I don't. I really don't want something
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moving around me that is not trained.
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OK, like. I we have a dog and a cat and
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they are allowed to move around me.
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They're allowed. To move but.
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They also do not see my human body.
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Like, OK, I get the animals when you're camping are really being
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opportunistic. Like a bear wants your food and
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they know that you've got curious.
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A bear would be opportunist, so would a raccoon be
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opportunistic? Yeah.
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And my deer. A deer might be curious.
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Oh. I would think a deer is
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confused. They I don't, I have no idea if
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they'd wanna hang out with you. But like our animals, they, they
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know that we're gonna give them food.
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And so we have a a mutual relationship there instead of
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just I'm going to take from you and make sounds and and maybe I
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really do like animals, but I don't wanna I don't want to have
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animals that I don't know are there be there.
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You know, that sounds not interesting and I don't want
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something crawling by me. And we were.
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What about? Cute little chipmunks, they're.
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Cute during the day. OK, I.
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Like to see animals during the day when I.
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All of them at night should just go to bed.
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They. Should or like I wouldn't mind
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watching them from a place where I am in a.
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Like the zoo? Yes and I time 0 would be nice,
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but I just don't want them hanging out when I'm not
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expecting I want to see them. I do really want to see them
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just not at night. Raccoons are cute.
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I love raccoons Bears are cute. Wolves, wolves are they look
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like dogs. I've said that before and I'll
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say it again. They're absolutely adorable.
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You know it's. Not cute possums.
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No. And I know that there are people
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who really love possums and they do really good things.
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They eat ticks and they don't carry rabies, but they are a
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little terrifying. We used to have possums at our
23:49
last house or a possum. I'm not actually sure how many
23:53
there were, but they really enjoyed being around.
23:57
It's they really enjoyed being around our yard.
24:01
And so we had to look at those things and they had the beady
24:03
red eyes and the long tail. I mean, they just like, yeah,
24:06
not my, not my deal, but I know that they serve an important
24:10
purpose. I wonder if they.
24:12
Visit campsites. Why wouldn't they?
24:14
They like they like people food. I have no.
24:16
Idea we. Had a possum at this house too
24:18
years ago and I did research to see how to not be a a good host
24:24
to possums and stuff and it wasn't in our house, he was in
24:27
our yard I guess. And so then I figured out what
24:30
you need to do to not have them move.
24:32
Them out. That is what you needed to do,
24:35
actually. Yeah, I assisted the.
24:37
Possum in moving out, yes. He he went very far away and
24:41
he's not come back. So but those are just like some
24:44
really good reasons. The other thing I don't I'm not
24:46
really into camping is the food thing, right.
24:50
You were talking about you, you have to bring the cooler or you
24:54
can't bring a cooler. Well, you.
24:56
Just have to bring stuff that, you know, like you're not
25:00
bringing like Michelin star meals with you.
25:03
You're, you know, canned, canned goods.
25:06
That's a, you know. Fine with canned goods.
25:09
Dried foods, dried fruit for instance, that's a good one to
25:12
bring. Camping, trail mix, stuff like
25:15
nuts and and I. Don't mind that, but I'm I don't
25:20
know what I'm going to want to eat in seven days or three or
25:24
however long you're camping for. And so for me like well even on
25:31
our trip like I grabbed 3 bags worth of groceries.
25:35
That's true. Because I want to ensure that I
25:38
have whatever it is that I'm needing at that time.
25:41
If it's sweet, if it's savory, if it's a little bit of both, if
25:43
it's juicy, like all sorts of those things.
25:47
And that would be, I mean, just bringing all of our stuff up to
25:52
the hotel seems like a lot of work.
25:55
And then you have to bring it to a campsite.
25:57
That's awful. And I, I was also 'cause I was
26:00
trying to do a little bit of research and one of the things I
26:02
was reading is there's like the 333 rule and the 444 rule and
26:07
the, there's all these number rules, but it's very confusing.
26:11
What's? What's what's the 333 and the
26:14
four four? It's like the.
26:15
Distance that your camp needs to be from a trail at a minimum.
26:22
And I don't like remember if it was 300 yards, I have no 300
26:27
feet or three feet or what it was.
26:30
But then like it talked about building your camp into a
26:34
triangle and that that's proper. And I was like, this is so much
26:38
flipping work. But I feel like if you knew the
26:41
things, you would just know the things.
26:44
But how do you determine what's the right number to follow all
26:47
of these rules? Do you?
26:48
Remember the other Threes? No.
26:51
What about? The Fours, I think.
26:52
It was the same thing. They're just like now.
26:54
Now we're using. The number is that.
26:55
If you're building a square shape campsite.
26:58
No 'cause it was still only 3/4. OK, I feel.
27:03
Like if you and if you and I were to go camping, you haven't
27:07
done enough research and I will have expected that you know what
27:10
you're doing, but you haven't heard of any of the essential
27:14
items that they say that you must have to go camping, I mean.
27:17
If I was gonna go on a camping trip, I would certainly prepare,
27:21
but I also know that you're not coming with.
27:25
That's that's pretty true. You also don't know these rules.
27:28
I feel like there are people who listen to camping that know all
27:31
of these rules. They've done the work, they're
27:33
prepared. It's not just go into the woods
27:37
and throw up a tent. That even sounds like more than
27:40
I'd want to do. I mean.
27:41
If you're at one of the campsites that's near to a
27:45
vehicle, even if you've, let's say you've hiked into the
27:48
campsite and it's even, I don't know, half a mile away, that's a
27:53
pretty far distance. But you could like pretty easily
27:57
within a, you know, shortish walk, get back to your vehicle
28:02
if you needed something or it wasn't an emergency.
28:05
The camping that I have in my brain, the most memorable that
28:09
I've done in my life is the one where literally we like went
28:12
into the woods so far that there was no like no outside services.
28:19
The only hope for rescue you would have would be like a
28:23
helicopter. There's no cell phone service.
28:26
Go. Where the only hope for rescue
28:29
is a helicopter. Well, because.
28:31
You don't plan for death or dismemberment you, you're
28:34
supposed. To plan for those things I
28:36
don't. Think so.
28:37
I feel like you're supposed to be.
28:38
Prepared for camping. This is why people die when
28:42
camping, because they're not prepared.
28:45
The number one reason is exposure, but I'm it's not like,
28:49
you know, does. This mean that that level of
28:53
adventure camping falls into the category of Luke is a daredevil.
28:58
It does. That's hilarious.
29:01
I I. Don't know, 'cause I think when
29:03
your kid and your parents just take you places, you don't
29:05
necessarily think that it's dangerous, but it, it is.
29:09
It's, I mean, if you look at take a look at any of the
29:12
national parks numbers, it's pretty, I mean.
29:18
I mean, I've survived a National Park, I should get a bumper
29:21
sticker. I mean, I I've.
29:23
Survived camping in a National Park.
29:25
All right, there you go. Let's TM it and add a little
29:29
logo which we're working on and put it on there.
29:32
I just it. There's just so much that you
29:35
need to do that we're I. It doesn't sound to me like you
29:39
even you'd be a bad camping partner.
29:42
That's offensive. I'm not going camping everyone.
29:45
I've ever camped with has not told me that I was a bad camping
29:48
partner. When was the?
29:49
Last time I went camping. Few years ish ago with our kid
29:53
at Girl Scouts. Oh I mean I OK.
29:58
Also what's the point of getting away to just be with a bunch of
30:01
people too? I don't understand.
30:04
This Hey, you just offended like all of the listeners.
30:07
Why would you want to go be with people like?
30:11
Everybody, it's like, oh, it's so great to get away from it
30:13
all, but then they're campsites and there's like hundreds of
30:17
people around and you're like, there's like hundreds.
30:20
Of people that they book. Out you.
30:22
Have been camping as you admitted one time.
30:26
And. Whatever happened was
30:28
impressionable enough for you to never, ever want to do it again.
30:32
And I'm telling you as a person who is not even an experienced
30:36
camper, but certainly more experienced than you.
30:38
Like, there are not ever hundreds of people camping with
30:41
you. Unless you're going to one of
30:43
these like it's a music festival and it's near the woods, so all
30:47
the people are going to bring a tent.
30:50
That's not what we're talking about.
30:52
Most. Campsites have campsites and
30:54
they're like numbered and they're like sub 2025, maybe 30
30:59
and that's like it. I don't understand what you just
31:02
said about the. The sites and they're like
31:05
spread out over a so if. There's 30 sites and you have a
31:08
family of five. There's 150, no?
31:10
No, but they spread them out. It's not like they're it's row
31:13
houses in San Francisco or something.
31:15
It's like each campsite is just far enough away from the other
31:19
that like, you might be able to see their campfire at night, but
31:23
you're not like hearing their conversations or watching them
31:27
cook their food or, you know, this is.
31:29
No different than if I go to a hotel where there's 150 people
31:33
and I see that they exist, but I'm not paying attention to
31:35
that. Actually a lot different I.
31:37
I don't know. I don't know.
31:40
I just, I really think that there's so much more to what
31:43
you're saying than just the and what people say about that whole
31:47
simplicity of being out there and the nature and all of that.
31:51
You can visit nature, 'cause I do this.
31:54
Yeah, you. Can and.
31:55
Leave. You can.
31:56
That's what I like to do. That's true.
31:58
The staying there overnight and it's just, it's so much work you
32:03
were talking about. You can go back to your car and
32:05
get something if you wanted, right?
32:07
If I went back to my car, I'm leaving.
32:09
You're gone. Why?
32:10
Would I have just walked three hours to get back to my car?
32:14
Just It's fine. I just go home.
32:17
Go home. Amber, you're not.
32:19
You don't need to be there. I really don't want to do that
32:22
at all. So.
32:26
So, Luke, let me ask you a question.
32:28
And now, the moment you've all been waiting for in this corner,
32:35
we have Amber claiming to weigh in at 135 lbs.
32:39
And today she brings a little side eye which she might need
32:43
today. In this corner we have Luke
32:48
claiming to weigh in at 185 lbs with beautiful, glorious red
32:55
beard. It's red.
32:57
And he is coming in today at 3 losses and two wins.
33:05
And he's gonna. Trying to catch up.
33:10
I I, you know, if you ever get into one of those fights for
33:13
you, like I know I might lose. This might be his, his leveling
33:20
playing field here. But really, the real thing is
33:24
Luke, let me ask you a question. Go ahead is.
33:28
Camping a vacation? Does camping count as a
33:33
vacation? Yeah, absolutely.
33:37
Not even a question. I mean, so we've discussed some
33:41
of the insurance and outs and potentially hilarious essential
33:46
items that you need to bring. But I think I mean like 1, by
33:52
definition of vacation, I think for most people is leaving your
33:57
normal life, not even necessarily that far away, but
34:01
geographically you go somewhere else and you do something else
34:06
for a short amount of time anywhere from who knows, a few
34:09
days to a week or or more. I mean, you know, some people
34:12
are able to take multi week long vacations.
34:16
And but more importantly than the specifics of it, I think
34:22
that camping has been and will continue to be a vacation for
34:29
most people. Maybe, I mean maybe even more
34:32
than like a vacation that you would consider a vacation
34:35
because in camping, you're not only getting away from the
34:40
normal stuff like work and school and typical obligations,
34:46
but you're leaving the quote trappings of modern life behind
34:53
intentionally. You're like saying, OK, I don't
34:56
want electricity and a roof over my head and I and I don't want
35:02
running water and I don't want city lights.
35:05
I want to go far enough away so that I can pitch a tent in the
35:09
wood in the quiet of nature and at night fall asleep to the
35:13
sound of the trees swishing in the wind and the various life
35:19
outside that's scurrying about or buzzing through the air.
35:23
The call of an owl, for instance, is pretty cool to
35:26
hear. And then when you wake up and
35:29
you enjoy your day, you're going to do it just the simplest way
35:33
you can, which is you're going to strap your boots on and go
35:37
for a hike. You're going to go find a nice
35:40
body of water somewhere you might maybe be camping where
35:44
there's a canoe or a kayak and you're going to, you know, have
35:47
a little water time or you're going to like intentionally plan
35:52
out other stuff people do while they're camping.
35:54
There's so many options. And you're going to enjoy the
35:58
other things that are normal about camping, like campfires.
36:02
Who doesn't make AI mean? Who doesn't like a nice wood
36:05
fire? And you know, you've got like a
36:08
little camp stove and you make your simple meal and there's not
36:12
a lot of fancy to it. You could bring a couple of
36:15
seasonings, but you're not you're not going to bring your
36:18
whole kitchen lamp, dude. And.
36:22
Your salt? Yeah.
36:24
And pepper, sure. And other stuff.
36:27
I mean, you can obviously bring more and I mean, I think for a
36:32
lot of people it is that it's getting away.
36:33
It's getting to a place where your cell phone doesn't work
36:36
anymore. And you know what you're going
36:39
to do at night after the the activity of the day has happened
36:43
and you're not yet quite at bedtime.
36:45
Maybe you have a like a little camp light Lantern and you read
36:48
a little book. Maybe you have a quiet
36:51
conversation with a loved one and you talk about life and the
36:56
future and you know you do that while you're encompassed in the
37:00
stars and, and it's just a, it's a magical experience.
37:06
It really is. Magical experience.
37:09
So lutely. Magical experience.
37:12
I mean, I've been to the Magic Kingdom.
37:17
OK. That's a magical experience.
37:19
That's not camping. No, no.
37:22
But I mean, like, this does not sound like a vacation to me.
37:26
All of these things you're talking about sound like work,
37:30
like building a fire. I can build a fire at home too,
37:34
right? Like I don't have to go anywhere
37:35
to build a fire. You were talking about food.
37:40
And maybe if you carry with you salt and pepper and another
37:44
seasoning you, you cook your own food, which I do that every day,
37:50
right? Well, OK, I don't do it every
37:53
day, but I cook a lot. I cook a lot.
37:56
So, so the food thing that's that's not vacation.
38:00
When I'm on vacation, I, I have 0 desire to cook on vacation.
38:06
And then like The Walking, you can walk anywhere.
38:10
That's not. I mean I get what you're saying,
38:12
but the point of The Walking to a campsite is to get where
38:16
you're going to then put up your housing, right?
38:20
For me on a vacation, the housing already exists.
38:23
I don't have to build a house. It exists so I if I I would
38:30
think building a house is working, not vacation it's.
38:34
A. It's a little bit of work, yeah.
38:35
It's a. Lot of bit of work and again,
38:37
now camping with you, I don't know 'cause you have not, You do
38:41
not know the rules of camping according to what I've learned
38:44
about camping. So I don't know that you're even
38:47
going through as much as what you should be doing and like,
38:52
again, forgetting something, then what?
38:54
Then what? You know that it's just you
38:56
don't have whatever it is you need for, again, someone like
39:01
me, the allergy medication, like what am I going to do?
39:03
Just freaking wait. That sounds awful.
39:07
Well, all of the things you say that are the nice things about
39:13
camping, being in nature, all of those things, looking at the
39:16
stars, having a fire, you can do all of those things on a
39:20
vacation that doesn't involve camping.
39:23
So the work that is needed that that is required to do the
39:28
camping is where I'm saying it's not a vacation.
39:31
It's a choice. People make the choice to go
39:35
camping, but you've wanted me to go camping with you before and I
39:40
have no desire to take any of my very limited although better now
39:45
but limited PTO, to go work harder in the woods to have a
39:51
lower quality of life, uncomfortable bed, no
39:55
electricity, no shower, terrible food, and whatever I can carry
40:00
on my back like. No it is not.
40:04
That is not a vacation. That sounds stressful.
40:08
And awful just so that you can sleep like you're just looking
40:12
for all your whole time is dealing with your essential
40:15
items, right? Like your food, shelter and
40:18
clothing, right? Like that's that's what you got
40:22
a vacation. They've already done all that
40:23
for you. You don't have to think about
40:25
those things. Maybe you should bring your own
40:26
clothes, but you can buy clothes if you're vacationing somewhere.
40:31
You definitely. Want to bring your own clothes
40:33
on any vacation? Yes, but.
40:34
You don't have to worry about, you know, it's you're probably.
40:37
Not going to be able to buy any if you're camping though, no.
40:40
You're in trouble. You're in trouble if you lose
40:42
your shirt. Now you're cold.
40:46
If you lose. Your shirt, if you dropped your,
40:49
if you dropped your hoodie, you know however many miles away and
40:53
you don't know where that is now you're cold.
40:55
I'm just saying camping is not a a vacation and I have 0 desire
41:03
to do it. That is clear in my case is that
41:08
camping does count as a vacation.
41:11
The last little bit that I just want to add just because let it
41:15
be always got 40. 5 minutes to talk about camping little.
41:18
Just a little. It's way cheaper.
41:22
That's another argument. No, because you.
41:23
Need the 30 essential items, they're not cheap.
41:27
I was looking at those items, they are not cheap.
41:30
You you're probably right, you do need other supplies and
41:33
things to go camping. Yes, and if.
41:36
You had to buy them every time. It would probably be expensive.
41:40
Maybe it would be as expensive as a hotel.
41:42
I don't actually know. Well, if I had to do a camping
41:45
or a staycation, I would easily 150 million percent choose a
41:52
staycation. But I.
41:53
Think. Those are my only two choices,
41:55
that being. Said I don't think a staycation
41:57
is a vacation. It's.
41:58
More as because like. You're staying where you are.
42:01
Yeah, but I feel like you got to go somewhere.
42:03
You're going to vacation well. Vacate.
42:07
It Yeah, I was going to say the root of the word, do an old
42:10
thing like my dad does, but we'll leave it alone.
42:12
Yeah, we'll. Let that happen.
42:14
Well, I don't know. OK, so the question has been
42:17
asked and the question has been answered.
42:19
Yeah. Now it's up to you folks.
42:24
Yeah, you're going to want to go to the Spotify polls if you'd
42:28
like. We've left them open a little
42:30
bit longer for folks because people have said they've wanted
42:33
to vote in there like to the official vote.
42:35
However, we do take any comments and any I mean like when people
42:41
comment we on. Whatever social you're on, yeah.
42:45
We take that as official vote you send.
42:47
In an e-mail, whatever the that still counts we.
42:50
Still count that and. Unfortunately, I'm somehow
42:52
losing he's. Losing maybe?
42:55
This is the turn of the tide, this.
42:57
Could be I know a lot of a lot of friends that we have enjoy
43:01
camping and and the push that they always have to get me to go
43:05
is like you all would be miserable if I went so.
43:08
Miserable so. Not just me.
43:11
I mean, I would be miserable, but I would not and I would try
43:14
not to I feel like. You would be like one of those
43:17
cartoon strips in the Sunday paper from when we were kids
43:20
with like the person that got progressively worse through the
43:23
series of cartoons. If you ever can't.
43:26
Oh, I don't know. I don't know if I've seen this
43:28
cartoon, but I would be. It would be worse, and it would
43:31
be worse for everybody around me.
43:32
So to save everybody the anguish, I will officially hear
43:38
on the on the podcast, say I will pass on any camping
43:43
experience. I'll go outside with you all and
43:47
I will enjoy the wonderful things nearby, nearby the
43:51
camping places. But I will not be doing that
43:54
with you. So my answer is no, camping is
43:59
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