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Geoff Schwartz on CFB and NFL, Should Dante Moore keep playing (?), 2 NFL refs suspended after poor interactions with players + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 1: Hyundai Studio of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. Welcome back
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  Speaker 1: to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in football insider and expert Jeff Schwartz, former Oregon Duck,
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  Speaker 2: longtime NFL veteran, gambling expert, friend of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Jeff, how are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good. I just heard that Adam would be bummed
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  Speaker 3: I won't be in town for the snowmobile convention.
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  Speaker 1: You need a snowmobile for your Charlotte, North Carolina activities?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so you know how there's always stories about players,
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks and running backs getting their offensive linemen gifts? Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So when I was in Minnesota with Adrian Peterson, he
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  Speaker 3: rushed for 2,000 yards. He missed the record by a
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  Speaker 3: couple yards or 99 yards. It was a rough year.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't very connected to the team. Long story, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So I had already, I think, left town before he
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  Speaker 3: sort of gave his gifts. But his gift for that
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  Speaker 3: year was a snowmobile to his offensive lineman. I live
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  Speaker 3: in Charlotte, North Carolina. What was I going to do
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  Speaker 3: with a snowmobile? What are you going to do with
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  Speaker 3: the snowmobile? And I never got it because I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: in town. I had left town. Long story, but I
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  Speaker 3: just left Minnesota as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, that feels... Not great, right?
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  Speaker 2: If everyone gets the gift except for you because you
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  Speaker 2: left town early, it's silly.
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  Speaker 3: I never got with the Giants either because I had
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  Speaker 3: left town because I was hurt. So I was already
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  Speaker 3: out of town when Eli got like... I think Eli
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  Speaker 3: got the guys like cowboy boots one year in Nashville,
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  Speaker 3: but I was already... I was injured. I didn't travel
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  Speaker 3: in that game. It was already after my surgery. I
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  Speaker 3: was already back, I think, in Charlotte.
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  Speaker 2: I always buy my cowboy boots in Nashville, and that's
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  Speaker 2: not– Eli was making really good money then. Cowboy boots
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  Speaker 2: are cheap in Nashville. That's not a good gift for me.
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  Speaker 2: A snowmobile, that's a generous gift.
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  Speaker 3: I got a Breitling watch from Jonathan Stewart and Tanjo Williams. Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And then one year, Alex Smith bought us Louis Vuitton
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  Speaker 3: travel bags. Wow. But what I did is the travel
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  Speaker 3: bag was nice. I have very large feet, and I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't even put a pair of shoes in there. It
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  Speaker 3: would just be the end of my... So I traded
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  Speaker 3: in and got my wife a purse. That's nice. So
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  Speaker 3: that was Mary's first big designer purse I ever bought
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  Speaker 3: her was because of that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Don't say you bought it for her. Alex bought it
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  Speaker 1: for her.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Alex did. Alex bought her the purse. It
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  Speaker 3: was like a four grand gift.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was a nice purse I got her.
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  Speaker 1: Does Alex know that you didn't keep his gift?
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  Speaker 3: Now he does.
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  Speaker 1: He listens to the show, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure he does. But my shoes didn't fit in
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  Speaker 3: the bag. It was never going to work for me.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to wear shoes or use a bag
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't fit your stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: We started the show today weirdly talking about the Oregon Ducks.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about Dante more in the grand philosophical sense because
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  Speaker 2: he's back in practice. Non-contact is what we've been told.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you know a lot more than I do
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  Speaker 2: about it. But, you know, they're talking about having him
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  Speaker 2: play against UCLA. I feel like that's doubtful, but maybe
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  Speaker 2: he's going to come back and play. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when we're talking about someone who, is highly compensated as
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  Speaker 2: a college athlete, but is also projected to be in
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  Speaker 2: probably the top five of an upcoming NFL draft. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how you weigh these options out if you're
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  Speaker 2: somebody like Dante Moore. So as someone who actually played
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  Speaker 2: and someone who knows more about the Oregon atmosphere in
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  Speaker 2: that situation, like what are these conversations like right now
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  Speaker 2: with Dante Moore, his family, his agents?
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  Speaker 3: So I did see the reporters while he's practicing and, Um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, part of the steps of being cleared from
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  Speaker 3: concussion is you have to, you have to practice, right.
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  Speaker 3: To go through, you know, workouts and see how you
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  Speaker 3: feel afterwards. So I'm not, I'm not surprised he's doing it,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm also, it's a little probably ahead of schedule
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  Speaker 3: from what I thought after that injury. Right. I thought that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it would take a little bit longer, but again,
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  Speaker 3: everyone recovers differently from head injuries. Right. So we don't
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  Speaker 3: really know if, you know, if, uh, you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: on the same path as anyone else. So I think it's,
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  Speaker 3: it's good news. He's out there obviously. Right. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: clearly good enough to go out there and practice, but
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  Speaker 3: which is good. He came back to play, right? So
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  Speaker 3: clearly he is in it to play this year. And
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  Speaker 3: guys who are competitive and have a drive to win
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  Speaker 3: want to see the field. He doesn't want to sit out, right?
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  Speaker 3: He wants to play. And I think if he's healthy,
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  Speaker 3: he's going to play. I felt it was kind of
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  Speaker 3: odd that we immediately went to, like, Rayola should start
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  Speaker 3: when he comes back. No, we've seen Rayola play for
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  Speaker 3: 20 games. He might be great at some point for Oregon,
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  Speaker 3: but Dante Moore is their dude. Dante Moore is definitely
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  Speaker 3: going to start when he comes back. I think he'll
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  Speaker 3: play when he's healthy. I think if Dan Lanning and
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  Speaker 3: staff and the medical staff determine he's healthy to play
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  Speaker 3: this week, he'll play this week. If not, he won't
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  Speaker 3: play this week. And they'll be very cautious with it,
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  Speaker 3: but if you pass all the tests, man, and there's
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  Speaker 3: a multi-point test to come back to play, right? Part
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  Speaker 3: of it is you have to get through a practice, right?
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  Speaker 3: See how you feel afterwards. Do you have any more
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  Speaker 3: concussion symptoms? Do you have any headaches and And it
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  Speaker 3: starts with just a simple workout in the weight room,
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  Speaker 3: and then it progresses to this. If he passes all
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  Speaker 3: those checks, why would he not play, right? That's put
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  Speaker 3: in place to make sure that you stay as healthy
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  Speaker 3: as possible in these circumstances. You come back healthy as possible.
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  Speaker 3: If he's cleared, Sean, I imagine he's going to play.
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  Speaker 2: So you don't think there's any conversation in the Dante
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  Speaker 2: Moore camp of being like, look, you probably could have
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  Speaker 2: gone to the NFL draft last year.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't.
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  Speaker 2: And now we need to preserve whatever... This didn't seem like.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't seem like the injury that's going to end
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  Speaker 2: your season, but also Nick Bosa ended his season on
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  Speaker 2: like a twisted ankle. So like when you're in that conversation,
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  Speaker 2: do you say, Hey, you know what? Let's just be done.
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  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson at Kansas wanted to do this last year.
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  Speaker 2: The jazz ended up drafting him. He didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: play college basketball, but he did because he was getting
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of money.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And like Dante Moore, I don't know where, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if he loves playing at Oregon. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it's like, that he's just doing this to make
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  Speaker 2: it to the NFL and to sign a $ 27 million
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  Speaker 2: signing bonus or whatever?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think what's interesting is he hasn't played terribly well.
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  Speaker 3: I guess that's the wrong way to put it. He
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  Speaker 3: hasn't played up to what people thought he would this year.
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  Speaker 3: And so I wonder if some of him is like,
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  Speaker 3: I just got to get back and put better film
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  Speaker 3: out there. I'd rather just not sit out, that's the
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  Speaker 3: wrong word to say it, but I'm okay if I
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  Speaker 3: if I could have, if I could sit out or
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  Speaker 3: had good enough film, I'd sit out. But Sean, he
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  Speaker 3: has not played up to his standard so far this season.
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  Speaker 3: And that might be why he would come back and
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  Speaker 3: put better film out there. Nice. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So that is something that I think we have to
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  Speaker 2: factor in here. If you're, if your first four games
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  Speaker 2: are just like consensus, incredible, all American stuff, does it
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  Speaker 2: change the conversation?
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  Speaker 3: I think you would. Yes. He also has one more
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  Speaker 3: year to come back, by the way. He's going to
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  Speaker 3: have to go to the NFL. Right. I actually think
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  Speaker 3: Raiola has less years than him.
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  Speaker 1: Is that true?
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  Speaker 3: I think it might be. But he can still come back.
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  Speaker 3: So there's no rush in my mind for him to
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  Speaker 3: come back. But again, if he's healthy, he's going to play.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why he would. These people think Raiola's
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  Speaker 3: going to take his job. Raiola's not taking his job.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Warren Sharp and other people were tweeting about the... Excessive
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  Speaker 2: over-officiating of NFL games so far this season. More flags
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  Speaker 2: than you've had in over a decade through four weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Number one most red zone penalties per game by offenses
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  Speaker 2: in NFL history. Number one most penalties on third and
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  Speaker 2: fourth downs in the second half of games in history.
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  Speaker 2: 17 touchdowns nullified by penalties so far this year. Is
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  Speaker 2: the NFL being over-officiated?
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  Speaker 3: That just hurt my brain. It's like just... These people
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  Speaker 3: are just, dude, they're so obsessed with the officials. I've
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  Speaker 3: watched a lot of football. I'm sure you have on Sundays.
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  Speaker 3: I have never said once we have too many penalties
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  Speaker 3: this year. Now, do I think the officials are perfect? No,
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  Speaker 3: they miss calls all the time. But they are human.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very tough job to do. I think some
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  Speaker 3: calls you just can't miss. But I think for the
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  Speaker 3: most part, they do a pretty good job. I have
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  Speaker 3: not noticed too many flags. I haven't noticed a hole
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  Speaker 3: up in games with too many flags. And that's how,
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  Speaker 3: of course, people go right to like, Well, this is
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  Speaker 3: why I lost my bets. They're just– come on, man.
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  Speaker 3: Come on. I just– Sean, these tweets just feel like
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  Speaker 3: people trying to aggregate stuff. I watch a ton of football.
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  Speaker 3: I don't notice it at all. I don't notice it
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  Speaker 3: at all. The gameplay has been fine. The games have
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  Speaker 3: been really good. There are bad calls. The refs are
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  Speaker 3: not perfect. But I think it's just not close to
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  Speaker 3: the same way that this tweet wants to make it
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  Speaker 3: out to be.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever get a Trey McBride treatment from an official?
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  Speaker 1: What's the harshest treatment you ever got?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm glad we were talking about this. So
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  Speaker 3: for those who missed it, have you talked about this yet?
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  Speaker 1: Not really.
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  Speaker 3: So there was a video of an official cussing at
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  Speaker 3: a player. And my thought was like, yeah, that's what happens.
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  Speaker 3: Like we yell at them, they yell at us. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I thought a two-game suspension for that felt harsh. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the optics are not great, right? And maybe McBride was
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  Speaker 3: the nicest guy all game, and he didn't deserve any
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  Speaker 3: of this. But we cuss at referees, and they cuss
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  Speaker 3: back at us. I didn't see the big issue. I
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  Speaker 3: thought that was not that big of an issue. The
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  Speaker 3: optics of it are pretty bad. I'll get the optics
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  Speaker 3: of it don't look great. But, dude, that just did
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  Speaker 3: not seem like a two-game suspension-worthy incident for me, considering
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  Speaker 3: how much that they get abused from coaches and players
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  Speaker 3: throughout the game. And, and we do the fair share
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  Speaker 3: of that. It's a bad clip. I get it, but
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  Speaker 3: without the context of why he said that two games,
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  Speaker 3: it feels pretty heavy handed.
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  Speaker 1: What about the guy who got knocked over and got
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  Speaker 1: up mad?
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  Speaker 3: Okay. So it's Adrian Hill, right? I was told afterwards
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  Speaker 3: him and the guy, or he ran into it, how
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  Speaker 3: to chat about it. We're laughing about it. So, If
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  Speaker 3: that's the case and there's no ill will afterwards, why
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  Speaker 3: is he being suspended again for a game? Like if
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  Speaker 3: they talked it out, you got two grown men on
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  Speaker 3: the field. Emotions are high. He gets run over. I
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  Speaker 3: thought it was very unprofessional of the official to do that. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: But suspension, if they talked it out, like right after
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  Speaker 3: it happened and we're cool about it, it's supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be excessive. So doesn't it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yes.
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  Speaker 2: And there's an article where he says he felt like
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  Speaker 2: they were going to fight. You're not fighting a player.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's silly. He shouldn't have said that. He said that?
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  Speaker 3: That's not good.
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  Speaker 1: No, sorry, that the players were going to fight, so
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  Speaker 1: he got up and.
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  Speaker 3: Oh. Yeah, that's not a great excuse. But I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it's that big of a deal. I think the
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  Speaker 3: suspensions feel aggressive in both instances.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like the NFL is not usually as prisoner
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  Speaker 2: to the moment as everyone else is when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to stuff like this.
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  Speaker 3: They're not.
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  Speaker 1: But these are very reactive moves to the conversation, aren't they?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised. I think it's a lot to do with,
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  Speaker 3: so I think the NFL has been the best league
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  Speaker 3: at avoiding social media when it comes to how the
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  Speaker 3: discourse of their league goes and, and how the punishments
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  Speaker 3: go and just how they, how they, you know, basically
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  Speaker 3: run their league. And this does feel like you sort
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  Speaker 3: of have, you know, given into the mob, right? In essence,
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  Speaker 3: the online mob. So I I'm with you on this.
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  Speaker 3: I just, the NFL just has never really acted this way.
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  Speaker 3: And in these instances, and so I'm surprised they're doing
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  Speaker 3: it now. I really am like, there's just, there's no
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  Speaker 3: need to suspend these guys.
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  Speaker 2: No, there, there is, uh, to the world of college football,
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  Speaker 2: whose seat is hotter. Dion Sanders or Kyle Whittingham.
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  Speaker 3: Oof. Um, so my, my Kyle Whittingham rebuttal is basically,
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  Speaker 3: it's been this, right? Like, He's the only coach who
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  Speaker 3: didn't get to choose his quarterback this offseason.
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  Speaker 2: I made that point yesterday when we were talking about
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  Speaker 2: this because.
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  Speaker 1: That's a massive thing here. It's like the most important
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  Speaker 1: thing here.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. So every other coach got to keep their quarterback
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  Speaker 3: or get a new one, right? So, you know, Tosh
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  Speaker 3: Lapoi got JKS. Nico stayed with Bob Chesney. Everyone else
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  Speaker 3: got to bring in their own quarterback. He did not.
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  Speaker 3: He was stuck with Bryce Underwood and very clearly does
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  Speaker 3: not like Bryce Underwood as a quarterback. And it's unfair
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  Speaker 3: to me to judge him. Are we pretending that Colin
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  Speaker 3: had a coach? Of course he didn't forget he had
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  Speaker 3: a coach. Quarterback stinks. Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: We know this very well. I believe this about every coach.
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  Speaker 2: We definitely know it about Kyle Whittingham. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: you can overcome stinky quarterback play.
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham... proved in his final year at Utah, right?
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  Speaker 2: The reason he came back was to prove in his
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  Speaker 2: final year at Utah was that like, I, my legacy
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  Speaker 2: and who I am as a coach is not going
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  Speaker 2: to be determined by stinky quarterback play and having to
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  Speaker 2: go down to the fifth guy on the depth chart, right?
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  Speaker 1: That whole injury situation.
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  Speaker 2: And whether it was handled properly or not is a
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  Speaker 2: different conversation, but that mess of not having the right
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  Speaker 2: quarterback is why Kyle Whittingham was.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I'm not going out on the sour note, a
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  Speaker 1: losing record. I'm not doing it.
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  Speaker 2: And then he came back and he had an 11
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  Speaker 2: win season, 10 of which he coached. The 11th was
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  Speaker 2: the bowl game that Morgan Scali coached, of course. And,
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  Speaker 2: and that led to the Michigan opportunity. So look, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's going well. I don't think he's doing
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  Speaker 2: anything remotely perfect. I don't like the way that he
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  Speaker 2: talks in the post game press conferences and compared to
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  Speaker 2: what we got for 21 years from him at Utah.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Because he's more emotional than these?
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I will say 20 years from what we got
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  Speaker 1: at Utah.
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  Speaker 2: So Kyle Whittingham, for years and years and years, he
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  Speaker 2: was always like, dude, we screwed it up. Nobody cares. Injuries,
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  Speaker 2: our fault. Bad timeout, my fault. We made the wrong play.
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  Speaker 2: Our quarterback threw an interception, my fault. He was always
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  Speaker 2: that guy forever and ever. And then last year, he
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  Speaker 2: blamed the BYU loss on analytics. And then this year,
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  Speaker 2: he's like, you know, when they lost to Iowa, he's like, God,
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  Speaker 2: Jay Hill wanted to be in that formation.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, whoa. That's not you.
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  Speaker 3: I think... I just think it's... I don't know. I
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  Speaker 3: think he feels it because he wasn't able to choose
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback that he feels like maybe... He's just defending
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  Speaker 3: himself a little bit more, right?
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  Speaker 2: Which, by the way, I think is a totally valid excuse.
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  Speaker 2: And we could talk all day about this. If the
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  Speaker 2: money guys are the ones who decide who gets to
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  Speaker 2: be your coach, but then the money guys are also like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we already paid for this quarterback, so tell the coach
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  Speaker 2: you've got to keep him. Then does the coach get
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  Speaker 2: to go back to the money guys and be like,
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  Speaker 2: you can't fire me because you stuck me with this
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  Speaker 2: dumb kid?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think after this year, they'll let him choose
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  Speaker 3: his quarterback as my guess. If he's still their coach,
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  Speaker 3: maybe he's not. Yeah. Well, you know, the Dion thing,
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  Speaker 3: like guys, he's not a good coach. He had one
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  Speaker 3: year where he had, you know, his, his son, Travis Hunter.
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  Speaker 3: Otherwise it's very clearly not a good coach. Dude, did
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  Speaker 3: you see the play? They had eight players on the
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  Speaker 3: field for a field goal block and then call timeout
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  Speaker 3: and had nine players on the field. Next, next play.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: It's not a good coach. It's incredible. That's fine. It's
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: just not good. Like, Hot seat's the wrong way to
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: put it. I mean, he just won't be back next year. And,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: you know, I think that, you know, we talked about
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: this at a time when this happened. Like, sort of
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: the selling out of the program for Coach felt aggressive. Like,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: you had people that brought, you know, that bought, like,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: prime sweatshirts. They say prime on it, right, with the
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Colorado Buffalo logo? Yes. Well, when he leaves, what's the
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: value of that sweatshirt? Like, it's still the Colorado program.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: At that point, it's dead stock, so the value goes up.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I guess so. But it just feels dead. Like, you know,
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: he's run through coaches and players now, and they're not
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: a good football team. They're just really not. And, you know,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: he had his chance in the one year with his
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: son and with Travis Hunter in the second year, and
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: you guys are going to beat them by 50 points
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: in two weeks. You might win this weekend by a
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: lot of points, I feel like.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think of Kansas?
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're very good, and you guys are
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: off a bye. Doesn't it feel so much better on
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: a Saturday to not have to stress about your team playing?
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: No, I hate bye weeks.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: We both had byes. It was like Saturday was so stress-free.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: No, but so boring.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I think we had a Thunderbats win on Saturday, too,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: so we got a nice little win on Saturday. The
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: 6-0 Bats, baby.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: You want to know something? So we play Thursday, Sean,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: and I will not be there. I'm traveling back from
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: New York. On Thursday. And it's killing me because it's
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: the best team we play all year. I won't be there.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: I'll be watching on the app. We have a video
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: stream of the game. And yesterday I was joking with Emmy.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I'll just text you my thoughts to your watch during
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: the game. And she's like, really? I'm like, no, Emerson.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to text you. in the game. I
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: told her I'll just call pitches.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Is she tipping her pitches when there's a runner on
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: second base? Can they read like in the Padres-Brewers game?
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: How about that, dude? There had to be pitches tipped
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: because there's no way that Cheerio is taking a 1-2
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: slider after seeing 104. I was talking to one of
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: my producers on my bare-bed show. He's a former college
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: baseball player. Before he even saw all the stuff about
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: the tipping pitches. Yeah, they had to have it because
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: there's just no way you take that pitch after you've
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: seen four straight fastballs unless you know it's coming. And
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: then you saw, obviously, the Brewers' second baseman or the
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: runner on second signal. It's crazy that even with pitch
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: calm now, guys are still able to tip pitches based
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: on the way they hold the ball in the glove,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: which is basically what he was doing, was to tell
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: based on how he was holding the ball in the glove.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. It is crazy. A 104 fastball, then like
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: an 88 mile an hour slider. It's insane, dude.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: The, the trade craft in baseball is so fascinating to
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: me because it's like, we've played this game for 125
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: years and they've figured out longer than that. And they
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: figured out just every possible way to mess with things,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: to cheat things, to like rules versus unwritten rules.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: It's, Dude, we had two games this week where the
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: ball hit the roof, and it was playable. It was
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: an insane, insane rule.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Very crazy.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Like, it's crazy they can do that. And, yeah, baseball
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: is all about finding these little edges and whatnot. It's
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: so funny because for softball, like, my steals and goals,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I just touch my sleeve. It was shocking. And all
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: the other team will be like, they're stealing. I'm like,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: you can't throw anyone out anyways, so why does it matter? Congrats,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: you know we're stealing.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Good for you.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Not a single girl's been thrown out in the four
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: years I've been coaching at second base. So it's not
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: going to start now.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: You're fighting Justin Herbert's, our 0-4.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, geez, buddy.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: There's one team in the last million years that's started
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: 0-4 and still made the playoffs.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: You knew that was, right? The Giants. The 92 Chargers.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Is that true? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Well. They're bad.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Michael McDaniel, oof, man. You know, Michael McDaniel is running
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: the two offense for Herbert. Like, run the Herbert offense, man. Like,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: what are we doing here? You know, Herbert's not played great.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, but they do not help him
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: out with protection, with scheme, with drop passes. They just.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Harbaugh legitimately will be in the hot seat, dude.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh is on the hot seat with the Chargers
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: after four games, in your opinion.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Next USC head coach? He has, like, a one-year suspension, though,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: with a show clause. Yeah. But, I mean, if USC
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: can stomach one more year of Lincoln Riley, they can
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: just hire Harbaugh. Let's do one more year of Riley.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: James says two more years. Maybe you just trade. Lincoln
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Riley goes to the Chargers.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I want Lincoln Riley to stay forever.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: That would be nice.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: USC just continued to be angry for the next two decades.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: They've won one big game in five years. They beat
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame one of those years that he was there,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: maybe his first year. They lost Utah every time, lost
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Oregon every time. They've lost every big game they've played,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: and they've lost.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Should I buy my Super Bowl tickets yet because the
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: San Francisco 49ers are gone?
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, unless a substation takes the rest of your team. Don't.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Don't even mention it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: What do you make of the substitution thing?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I am a full believer.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Of course you are. I couldn't answer that for myself.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know exactly how I'm going to answer that question.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: By the way, I know you had texted me about
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: what to talk about today and talk about internet trolls. Yes.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I got a text from Guy Haberman this morning. It
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: was so good. He screenshotted one of the tweets I
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: sent out with this guy. I've been harassing for weeks.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: And he says, those guys don't know Jeff. Can't be offended.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Good luck to them. They don't know thy enemy. I'm like, yeah, buddy.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: You picked on the wrong person.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: They got to read a little Sun Tzu. They do
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: not know their enemy.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: No, they do not. But the substation, of course, you
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: would believe in that. No surprise for that. definitely not
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: the reason why, but if you have a, yeah, if
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: you have a, if you don't have guys healthy, but dude,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, Shanahan is such a good coach, man. Like it's,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: he's just an incredible coach. He deserves to win a
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: tight championship at some point. It's in, it's in Los Angeles.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: It's in LA.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I could go stay with your parents, save on the hotel.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Sure. They would love that actually.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: And, uh, yeah, there's tickets now are only like $ 7, 000
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: for obstructed view.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Meredith's probably coming to LA for super bowl week though. Really? Probably.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. That's see, then I give my wife
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: something to do. She can go hang out with your wife.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Although the shopping they did would cost me more than
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the super.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: How much money are they going to spend? Nevermind. Nevermind.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, how much money are
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: they going to spend? Um, yeah, dude, it's, uh, it's no, well, she's,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: she's actually been better with the shop being ish. I've been,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: I've been proud of her. She spends money everywhere things,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: but like, It's been better with shopping, which I do like.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: All our money on vacations, though.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I want you to.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Apropos of nothing, there was a former NFL linebacker on
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the UFC card this last weekend in Salt Lake City.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: He had his cup of coffee in the NFL. His
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: name is Anthony Wint. He fought for like 20 seconds.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: The guy that the guy that he was fighting was
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: just so scared of how like physically overwhelming he was
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: to beat him. He kind of like faked and fell down.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: He only got hit with one punch and just fell
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: down and was like, I'm done. I don't want to
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: do this anymore.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Sounds like a fix was in.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Well, it, it almost would have looked like that except
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the guy was just like, you know, he's like a
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: chubby 260 pound guy going up against a five foot
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: 11 inch, 240 pound.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Ball of muscle. And he was just like, Oh crap,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: this is crazy.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: So, um, I, The reason I want you to watch
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: it is because like this guy was not a good
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: NFL player.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: He was great in college.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: He's the all time leading tackler in Florida international history
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: or something. So he was an, he was an awesome
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: player at that level.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: And then he couldn't really hack into the NFL, but
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: now it's like, he is the best athlete in the
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: sport of MMA. And it just is as an MMA
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: guy or as an NFL guy, I just want to
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: show you what it looks like when people with your
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: athleticism are Come to this other sport.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Wasn't Scooby Wright doing some of this?
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: He did. He trained. He never fought.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Shout out to two-star Scoob.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I would probably be a good UFC guy.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Former NFL wide receiver in Colorado Buffalo, Michael Westbrook, actually
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: was a pro fighter after his NFL career, and he
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: had a long NFL career.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: He started fighting when he was in his 30s.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Did you go to the fights? I did. That's interesting.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: That's like someone who covers football go into a football
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: game where they don't cover it, I guess. Yeah. Did
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: your wife go with you?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: She did, yes.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: She liked it?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she likes fights. She enjoys fights.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: I've got to tell you, Meredith loves it now. Yeah, well.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: All in.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Hopefully we're in Charlotte again next year.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: When do you get the schedule again? You won't know
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: for a little bit, probably.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably like the month before we get the event.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: We're in. Hopefully there's a VIP section this time.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I'll do my best.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: My wife was so angry. I was like, does it
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: appear to be VIP sex? She's like, fine. We'll just
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: sit four rows in the cage. Yeah.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: How dare you?
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Sit four rows in the cage. Watch fights for nonstop
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: for four hours in a row. What do you do?
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: So when a fight goes one minute, right? You have
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: to fill the next 15. Are you guys prepared to
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: do that? Or do you have to make it up
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: on the fly?
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Well, you just make it up on the fly. But
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: you kind of know... what you're going to talk about.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: You push the next event, and then you push the
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: main event coming up on that same night.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Just repeating the same stuff, essentially.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: For the most part, yeah.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, you know, the first time you
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: stand up, you have 30 seconds or 60 seconds to
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: talk about it. So if you're emptying your clip with
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: that 60 seconds, it means you didn't do enough prep.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, certainly. I'm just saying, like, there were some
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: fights you had to do, like, 12 minutes of filibustering.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, for sure.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: But you know me. I can filibuster with the best
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: So can I. That's why we're never on time.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Just like right now, over the clock. Appreciate you joining
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: us as you do every single Tuesday. And I guess
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: we'll talk this weekend on the group chat when we're
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: making fun of USC.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, they're losing to Penn State this weekend, by the way, too.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a rough one.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: That'll be the nail in the coffin for Lincoln Riley, right?
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I can't feel like... I don't know who does Dan
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: root for. I can't figure it out.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: He roots for every team... That was in the Pac-12.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I was just a pure Pac-12 guy. Interesting. Just a
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: pure homer. Cool. Thanks, dude. Appreciate you. All right, bud. Bye.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Have a good week. Bye.
• 27:31
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• 27:37
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• 27:40
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• 27:42
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