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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Tonight, I'm going to tell a
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Speaker 1: secret I've kept for a year, a secret that's outraged
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Speaker 1: me about the final act of disrespect to Cardinal George pell,
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Speaker 1: a great and innocent man, what some of the Vaticans
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Speaker 1: did to his body when they sent it to Australia.
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Speaker 1: The Vatican should be ashamed, wells tonight. In this dangerous world,
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Speaker 1: wars raging, wars threatened. Guess how many ships our Navy
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Speaker 1: could send to an important exercise with a US just one.
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Speaker 1: I'll talk to the Oppositions Defense spokesman Andrew Hasty plus
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Speaker 1: seeing your Democrats move and Joe Barden the president is
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Speaker 1: the crisis over his mental incompetence grows. Lots more coming
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Speaker 1: up to including a weird tour in Holland that I
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Speaker 1: think every scare mangry labor politicians should be sent off
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Speaker 1: to take because maybe then would get a sensible debate.
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Speaker 1: But first, there are two Albanezy government policies that are
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Speaker 1: so plainly stupid and now so damaging, damaging to everyone
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Speaker 1: with a mortgage because they're paying for them, everyone trying
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Speaker 1: to buy or rent a home. But the government today
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Speaker 1: just dug in deeper Now, one of those crazy policies is,
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Speaker 1: of course immigration, bringing in nearly a million immigrants in
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Speaker 1: just two years. What kind of government does that when
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Speaker 1: we clearly don't have enough homes for them all and
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Speaker 1: are building many fewer than we need. The result, of course,
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Speaker 1: you see it, house prices in our cities insane. Young
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Speaker 1: strands are now kind offord to buy. Now, what's really
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Speaker 1: weird is why our own government doesn't get this when
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Speaker 1: even some tourists in this country can in this case
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Speaker 1: stuck at Colson the form of Foxing New Star Now
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Speaker 1: he on a lecture tour.
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Speaker 2: He asked someone I was traveling with your housing prices
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Speaker 2: and not just in Sydney Harbor, but just like normal
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Speaker 2: houses you know far from Sydney Harbor are so expensive.
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Speaker 2: How does anybody live here? And this person SAI will
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Speaker 2: increasingly they don't. They have to leave lot of homeless people.
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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I said, that sounds like a crisis.
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Speaker 2: Why is it happening? Well, one of the reasons that's
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Speaker 2: happening is a principle be called supply and demand. And
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Speaker 2: when there's a greater demand for something than there is
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Speaker 2: a supply, the price rises, and that is purely a
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Speaker 2: matter of population. If you have more people than you
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Speaker 2: have houses, guess what happens to housing prices?
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Speaker 3: They rise.
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Speaker 2: This is the most obvious principle in nature and real estate.
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Speaker 1: Yes, really, it's that simple, And I can understand Carlson
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Speaker 1: shock at a house prisis. I'm my holidays in Europe.
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Speaker 1: I look at house prices in one country after another,
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Speaker 1: probably half the cost of the most places. I looked
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Speaker 1: of what you pay here half or less. Now what
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Speaker 1: are we doing to how young? You got to ask
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Speaker 1: how are they going to feel truly settled? And they
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Speaker 1: can't even by How can they feel truly citizens of
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Speaker 1: this country if they can't have afford their own home. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is a totally government made disaster. And it's not
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Speaker 1: as the immigration that's the blame. There's also the government's
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Speaker 1: believe it or not, global warming policies. Because they're not
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Speaker 1: just driving up your power bills. We now have economists
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Speaker 1: warning that these climate policies are also helping to make
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Speaker 1: interest rates your mortgage prices higher as well, because they
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Speaker 1: add to inflation, which means interest rates must go up,
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Speaker 1: as the Financial Review reports, Again, it's so obvious except
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Speaker 1: to this government. Now, as you know, this government insists,
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Speaker 1: I'm telling us what everyone now must knows, the fraud.
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Speaker 1: The more wind and solar power we get, oh, it's
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Speaker 1: going to be cheaper, cheapest, the cheapest there is. Instead,
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Speaker 1: as you know exactly, the opposite has happened your power
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Speaker 1: bills of sword. And the thing is these power prices
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Speaker 1: will keep going up. Ubs. The Financial Services chart predicts
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Speaker 1: power prices will keep rising for at least another five
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Speaker 1: years to fifty percent more than what they were last year.
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Speaker 1: The government ever predicted this. It claimed it would cut
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Speaker 1: your power bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 1: and said we're told they're going to go up yet
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Speaker 1: again by another fifty percent, and that of course adds
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Speaker 1: to inflation, and that means higher interest rates to counter it.
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Speaker 1: Everyone's going to pay. But as I say, the government
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Speaker 1: today double down today unveiled this new future Made in
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Speaker 1: Australia plan. Now from that deceitful name, you would think, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is this is all about just making stuff. You're
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Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. Who'd be against that? Except, of
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Speaker 1: course that's wrong. It It really is a nice label
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Speaker 1: to hide the fact that it's throwing away twenty three
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Speaker 1: billion dollars over ten years on its Screen Energy plan.
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Speaker 1: That's all it is. The Treasure was pretty clear about that.
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Speaker 4: A future made in Australia is all all about secure
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Speaker 4: jobs and more opportunities and a new generation of prosperity
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Speaker 4: in an economy power by cleaner and cheaper energy. It's
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Speaker 4: all about broadening and deepening our industrial base and becoming
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Speaker 4: a renewable energy superpower.
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Speaker 1: Now, if you were thinking, wow, that's not too bad,
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Speaker 1: is it the treasure of saying today, well, in fact nothing.
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Speaker 1: You've got to remember nothing about this government Screen Energy
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Speaker 1: plan so far as worked as it should, and this
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Speaker 1: good reason to think this latest scheme won't either. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this plan is suspend those billions and billions to encourage
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Speaker 1: private investors to spend even more billions on things like
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Speaker 1: renewable and hydrogen, a very technology is still not proven
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Speaker 1: at scale, big doubts it will work. Plus it will
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Speaker 1: spend on green metals, low carbon liquid fuels, et cetera,
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Speaker 1: and making things such solar panels, which China in fact
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Speaker 1: already makes for far cheaper now.
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Speaker 3: A lot of.
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Speaker 1: Economists and form of productivity commissioned bosses are warning this
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Speaker 1: could actually be a huge waste of money. After all,
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Speaker 1: here's the government led by a man has never had
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Speaker 1: a job in business, thinking you can pick the next
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Speaker 1: big business winners.
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Speaker 5: We were also setting Australia up for the future, and
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Speaker 5: that's what the Future Made in Australia Act is all
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Speaker 5: about engaging and investing.
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Speaker 1: When he says investing, what he actually means is spending.
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Speaker 1: And chances are that all this extra spending and all
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Speaker 1: that more expensive green power that's coming means inflation will
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Speaker 1: continue to stay too high and with it your mortgage repayments.
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Speaker 1: You see simple for this government with the green stars
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Speaker 1: in its eyes, cannot see it. Another development today promised anything.
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Speaker 1: Ali today gave a big hint in Parliament that he
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Speaker 1: had heard something that suggests that Muslim Labor Senator Fatima
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Speaker 1: Payment has actually been playing games with him and the
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Speaker 1: Labor Party and is about to dump it. A Payment
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Speaker 1: broke Labor rules by voting against Labor and for the
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Speaker 1: Greens that demand the immediate recognition of Palestine, now led
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Speaker 1: by terrorist and extremes, that didn't seem to stop her.
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Speaker 1: Now writing on the party is normally a sacking offense
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Speaker 1: in Labor, but AWENEZI wouldn't sack Payment. Even when she
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Speaker 1: announced she'd vote against Labor all again, he just suspended her.
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Speaker 1: And even when she then said she would stop voting
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Speaker 1: and consider her future, it's like daring him. And that
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Speaker 1: was of course a hint that she would join the
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Speaker 1: Greens or maybe some Labor in Peace Fear form or
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Speaker 1: join a pro Muslim party of her own. Now it
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Speaker 1: seems the Prime Minister has now learned it's all part
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Speaker 1: of a plan.
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Speaker 5: Senator Payment. Senator Payment, of course, has made a decision
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Speaker 5: to place herself outside the Labor Party. That's a decision
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Speaker 5: that she made. I expect further announcements in coming days
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Speaker 5: which will explain exactly what the strategy has been over
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Speaker 5: now more than a month.
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Speaker 1: Joining me a form a cameraon Milner, former chief of
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Speaker 1: staff to Labor leader Bill Shorten, now director of g
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Speaker 1: XO Strategies and Liberal MP Gaff Hamilton. Gaff Hamilton, what
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Speaker 1: do you make of what's going on here?
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Speaker 3: But look now it's not opposition back bench.
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Speaker 6: In one of the great joyes, I get the freedom
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Speaker 6: to speak my mind and like the rest of Australia
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Speaker 6: in the coalition, we have a of views, and I
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Speaker 6: want to give you the story of two different floor
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Speaker 6: crosses here. You know, compare the treatment of Bridget Archer
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Speaker 6: within the Liberal Party, who has crossed the floor countless
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Speaker 6: times and has expressed her views as is her right
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Speaker 6: as a member of the party, the treatment within the party.
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Speaker 6: Compare that to what Senator Payment has had and we
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Speaker 6: have allegations of bullying and abuse being raised from within
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Speaker 6: the Labor Party towards her. Obviously that very different parties
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Speaker 6: treat each other very differently, but I think this shows
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Speaker 6: that that iron fist authority that you would expect a
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Speaker 6: leader of Labored Party to have has fallen away. And
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Speaker 6: it's extraordinary that it's on this issue there so divisive,
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Speaker 6: an issue where we're seeing things happening in the Middle
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Speaker 6: East tearing Australia apart along lines. Goodness, me Andrew I
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Speaker 6: we would never be torn on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, how comes she's never made a point of
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Speaker 1: principle to cross the floor again against Labor about anything.
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Speaker 1: It's thue to Australians. It's all about Gaza where he's
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Speaker 1: just got no effect Australia does will have any real
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Speaker 1: effect there. I mean to me, it's extraordinary I've got
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Speaker 1: to say, though, Garth, it seems to me the oppositions
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Speaker 1: in a bit of strife as well. Here you've had
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Speaker 1: this nuclear power plan, right, build seven power stations. I
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Speaker 1: don't know whether you needed to go that far, to
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Speaker 1: be honest, I think you just need to say we're
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Speaker 1: going to overturn the band nuclear power. You've got to
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Speaker 1: hit in the last poll three percent down primary, and
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Speaker 1: the Liberals have said almost nothing lately about that nuclear
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Speaker 1: power plan. It's like it's gone or you're not. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's the thing that must not be mentioned. What's going
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Speaker 1: on here?
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Speaker 6: Well, look, I think the key point is, yes, this
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Speaker 6: is a nuance debate and there's a lot for people
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Speaker 6: to take in, and we need to take people through
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Speaker 6: that conversation. I think the real thing we're seeing though
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Speaker 6: in those numbers is that when we stop talking about
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Speaker 6: cost of living, which is the number one issue across
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Speaker 6: kitchen tables businesses around the country, people turn away from us.
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Speaker 6: But you know, this is a time when these pressures
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Speaker 6: have not been felt in this way for such a
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Speaker 6: long time. I talked to constituents who are taking kids
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Speaker 6: out of swimming lessons. You know, her making significant decisions
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Speaker 6: that you would never expect to see happened right across
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Speaker 6: the board. And we've got young kids are able to
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Speaker 6: buy a house, unable to save, unable to put a
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Speaker 6: deposit down. We've got retired pensioners who are renting, who
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Speaker 6: have no ability to enjoy their golden years as the
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Speaker 6: cost of everything goes up on a fixed income.
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Speaker 1: This is the thing. But you put out a policy,
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Speaker 1: you put out a policy which is so dramatic. I
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Speaker 1: mean it's a huge policy. I've got lots of questions
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Speaker 1: about it. And you're not out there now arguing for Cameron.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you were in opposition, right, you would
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Speaker 1: have had to deal with a lot of scare campaigns
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Speaker 1: coming at you from the government. What would your advice
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Speaker 1: be to the Liberals on this one? Well, I think
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Speaker 1: Guard's right.
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Speaker 7: I mean, cost of living is the absolute number one issue.
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Speaker 7: And when Australians who are under huge cost of living
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Speaker 7: pressure don't hear either leave the Opposition talking about or
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Speaker 7: indeed their prime minister is the prime ministers be seeing
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Speaker 7: all the time talking about himself. Recently, they really react
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Speaker 7: and that's what's happened in the most.
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Speaker 1: Recent news pole.
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Speaker 7: So cost of living is the only issue people want
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Speaker 7: to hear about because it's the only number one issue
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Speaker 7: living through at the moment. But I think Competer Dutton
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Speaker 7: should be congratulated. I mean he's actually come out whether
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Speaker 7: alternative and bold and courageous plan which has got proven
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Speaker 7: around the world. Nineteen to the twenty largest economies have
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Speaker 7: nuclear power.
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Speaker 1: Why not Australia.
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Speaker 7: And when we dig it up, we process it here,
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Speaker 7: we send off to father people to have in their
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Speaker 7: nuclear power stations. We don't have a nuclear submarines, why
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Speaker 7: not nuclear power stations. The problem with the policy is
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Speaker 7: it's too long dated. Andrew, people be relief right now.
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Speaker 7: Can I just push you on that? I think he
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Speaker 7: said something interesting.
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Speaker 1: Do I read you right? That you think the coalition
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Speaker 1: vote went down not because it has a nuclear power plan,
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Speaker 1: but simply because we stopped talking about costs of the living.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, and because Labour's vote went down. Labors vote went
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Speaker 7: down to in the nearest pole. And so that's both
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Speaker 7: major parties who weren't talking about cost of leting both
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Speaker 7: their votes fell away.
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Speaker 6: And Andrew, can I just say I remember a time
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Speaker 6: coming on you'res talking about another issue when we were
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Speaker 6: talking about the Voice when it wasn't popular, and we
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Speaker 6: took our time and we articulated a case the Australian people.
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Speaker 6: We bought them with us and I expect exactly the
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Speaker 6: same thing here. The worst thing we can do is
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Speaker 6: get jittery and look at one pole. We've got a
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Speaker 6: long long way to go. There's been a lot of
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Speaker 6: good work go into this and this is a bold plan.
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Speaker 6: This is us taking a vision of Australia's future to
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Speaker 6: the electorate, which is something the Albanize government is not doing.
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Speaker 1: Except, of course, Garth. You've got about a year to
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Speaker 1: argue about against the Voice. It was very sticky and
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Speaker 1: up in the air at one stage, but it came
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Speaker 1: good at the end. Cameron Milner, as you read it,
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Speaker 1: the opposition doesn't have a year to sell this nuclear
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Speaker 1: power proposal. How much time do you think it's Scott
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Speaker 1: before Anthony Albanesi dashes through an election.
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Speaker 7: Oh well, if the interest rates rise in August, we're
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Speaker 7: going to be at the back end of May next
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Speaker 7: year for Albo to go.
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Speaker 1: Before the people.
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Speaker 7: But the reality here is both the Voice, cost of
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Speaker 7: living and this policy have got one secret weapon for
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Speaker 7: Peter Dutton and the Liberal party. It's called Anthony Albanese.
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Speaker 7: I mean, he's the guy fronting the labor campaign and
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Speaker 7: it's weak because of it, and that's the problem for
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Speaker 7: labor in the next federal election.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much to you both, Cameron Milner and
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Speaker 1: Gath Hamilton Graceff appreciate it. After the break the scary
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Speaker 1: support in Western Sydney IO a Muslim political party, this
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Speaker 1: new Muslim political group to get Candide selected on a
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Speaker 1: Muslim platform. I'll show you we're disturbing Fox Pop in
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Speaker 1: the second. But first the news that shopped me. We're
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Speaker 1: supposed to send ships to America's biggest military exercise. It's
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Speaker 1: on now naval exercise, so that you know, our navy
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Speaker 1: can learn how to work together with the US Navy
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Speaker 1: and others in war. Now, guess how many ships we
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Speaker 1: could spare to send to these to these by any
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Speaker 1: rim of the Pacific war games off away just a
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Speaker 1: single warship, just one the might of the Australian Navy.
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Speaker 1: Now last exercises, we sent three plus a submarine and
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Speaker 1: a clear and starving team and more. Joining me is
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Speaker 1: the opposition's defense spokesman and former SS Captain Andrew Hasty
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Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty, thank you so much for your time. Sending
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Speaker 1: just one ship to this major exercise with the US.
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Speaker 1: Is that extraordinary?
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Speaker 8: It is extraordinary, Andrew, and good evening to you and
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Speaker 8: your viewers. Under the Albanezi government, the Defense Force has
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Speaker 8: grown weaker, our nation security has grown weaker.
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Speaker 3: And here is another data point.
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Speaker 8: We're seeing an eighty percent reduction in the size of
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Speaker 8: the force element that is going to participate in the
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Speaker 8: largest US led exercise in the Pacific RIMPAC, which happens
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Speaker 8: every two years. We last participated in twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 8: and since we've had two years now of labor, the
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Speaker 8: force element that's going to participate this year has been
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Speaker 8: reduced by eighty percent to one battleship and just over
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Speaker 8: three hundred people and a single aircraft.
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Speaker 1: No doubt China will be terrified by the thought that
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Speaker 1: we can put one ship at sea. Why are we
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Speaker 1: down to such small pickings.
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Speaker 8: There are a number of issues here. I think there
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Speaker 8: is a recruiting at a retention crisis. The numbers bear
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Speaker 8: that out. We're about five thousand people short in the
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Speaker 8: Defense force. We can only crew five of our seven
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Speaker 8: frig But we're also not retaining enough people. The separation
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Speaker 8: rate is too high. Are there are a number of
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Speaker 8: reasons why this is happening. There as structural problems with
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Speaker 8: the Defense Force, with the incentives for people to continue serving.
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Speaker 8: I think there's been issues, at least at the lower
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Speaker 8: levels with leadership. But I also think the political signals
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Speaker 8: that our serving members are getting from the Defense Force
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Speaker 8: is that this government is not serious about defense. This
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Speaker 8: government is apparently investing fifty billion dollars into the Defense
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Speaker 8: Force over the next ten years, and they keep telling
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Speaker 8: us that we are living the most dangerous time since
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Speaker 8: the end of the Second World War, but they're only
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Speaker 8: spending five point seven billion dollars of that money over
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Speaker 8: the next four years, and three point eight billion in
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Speaker 8: the fourth year of that four year period. So this
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Speaker 8: is a government that's only doing window dressing. They're not
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Speaker 8: serious about defense. They're actually weakening our defense force. And
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Speaker 8: I think this small poultry contribution to impact this year
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Speaker 8: is another data point that bears this out. And I
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Speaker 8: should remind you of you as as well that we
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Speaker 8: were asked to participate in the Red Sea operations policing
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Speaker 8: the Huthis and their affiliates, keeping our shipping lanes open.
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Speaker 8: We couldn't even contribute a single ship, and that says everything.
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Speaker 3: You need to know about the Albanese government.
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Speaker 1: That is really shocking, because that's a major sea lane
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Speaker 1: that's been strangled by just the ragtag bunch of Islamist fighters.
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Speaker 1: Is just quite extraordinary. And now we've got number of
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Speaker 1: ships played up in dock submarines as well. Boy, we
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Speaker 1: really down to next to nothing. Can you tell us
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Speaker 1: give us a bit of context here? These exercises with
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Speaker 1: the US, How important are they?
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Speaker 8: They're very important because they are part of our deterrence strategy.
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Speaker 8: When we come together as an allied force and we
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Speaker 8: demonstrate our prowess across all the domains, whether it be sea,
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Speaker 8: a land, space, and cyber, all of that matters because
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Speaker 8: it demonstrates to the world and our potential adversaries that
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Speaker 8: we have hard power that we can put into the field,
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Speaker 8: that we can deploy at short notice. And so we're
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Speaker 8: actually signaling by reducing our force element by about eighty
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Speaker 8: percent is weakness was suggesting that we don't actually care
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Speaker 8: so much about our alliance contributions at the operational level.
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Speaker 8: It demonstrates that we have problems with sustaining our force,
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Speaker 8: and it also asked it raises the question for all
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Speaker 8: of us, why this reduction over two years?
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Speaker 3: Why is this happening? There are a lot of unknowns here.
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Speaker 8: And I suspect it's potentially due to the influence.
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Speaker 3: Of one of our neighbors to the north.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's not forget the prime ministers and even
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Speaker 1: going next week to the meeting of NATO, which is
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Speaker 1: the worst's biggest defense organization, despite being invited, it's all
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Speaker 1: quite extraordinary. Can I ask you one thing you mentioned?
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Speaker 1: There's problems of retention. I mean, shortage is all over
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Speaker 1: by the way. I'm sure that we should be training
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Speaker 1: the forces a bit more as well. Number of is
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Speaker 1: one problem. The fact that we put such a low
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Speaker 1: price these days on patriotism. We talk down nationalism, we
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Speaker 1: trash our history. Do you think the glamor of serving
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Speaker 1: is going.
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Speaker 8: I think there are definitely cultural problems at work here.
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Speaker 8: If young Australians are told that Australia is basically a
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Speaker 8: bad hangover from the colonial era, that we have bad history,
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Speaker 8: that we have problems as a country, that our institutions
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Speaker 8: are themselves problematic and not worth defending. Well of course
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Speaker 8: we're going to have people who are ambivalent about Australia
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Speaker 8: and who aren't prepared to defend it. So I do
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Speaker 8: think education is a critical part of this, and I
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Speaker 8: think one of the challenge is restoring our sense of history,
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Speaker 8: our sense of pride in Australia. As an experiment, it's
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Speaker 8: a very unique experiment. We have people from all over
21:10
Speaker 8: the world who live peaceably, democratically together and that's something
21:16
Speaker 8: that needs to be preserved. But it only comes with stewardship.
21:19
Speaker 8: It only comes with a good education system and inform
21:22
Speaker 8: citizenry and people who are prepared to defend it.
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Speaker 3: And so I think you put your finger on it.
21:26
Speaker 8: There are big cultural issues here and it's not easily
21:29
Speaker 8: fixed by recruitment or incentives. I think we need political
21:33
Speaker 8: leadership and we actually need to look hard at the
21:35
Speaker 8: education system as well.
21:39
Speaker 1: Oh. I really do think it's a full court press
21:42
Speaker 1: for any future coalition government to try to get this
21:46
Speaker 1: off the ground, try to get the military in good shape.
21:51
Speaker 1: Andrew Hasey, thank you so much, indeed for your time.
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Speaker 3: My pleasure. Andrew, thank you.
21:58
Speaker 1: You know it's right worry. How are we going to
22:03
Speaker 1: have future generations wanting to lay down their life for
22:06
Speaker 1: a country that they have been told for by then decades.
22:11
Speaker 1: Is genocidal, is racist, is built on stolen land. It
22:17
Speaker 1: belongs to not you. It just belongs to people identify
22:21
Speaker 1: as aboriginally, not anyone else. Boy, it's a bit hard
22:26
Speaker 1: to say I'm going to sacrifice my life potentially for
22:29
Speaker 1: that country with these three flags and it's confused national anthem.
22:33
Speaker 1: And we have a problem here. We have a real
22:36
Speaker 1: problem here now talking about things that divide us. This
22:40
Speaker 1: push for a new Muslim political force getting members into parliament,
22:45
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. This is backed by I think
22:48
Speaker 1: called Muslim vote, which I described last night and which
22:53
Speaker 1: is hoping that Labour's entered Fatima payment backs it when
22:57
Speaker 1: she quit slave, I think hoping gets so maybe now
23:01
Speaker 1: Sydney scone new senior reporter Fiona will And went to
23:04
Speaker 1: check on support for this idea in Watson in Sydney.
23:09
Speaker 1: And that is important because this is a seat that
23:12
Speaker 1: has twenty five percent of Muslim's resident and it is
23:18
Speaker 1: held by Employment Minister Tony Burke has really been pushing
23:22
Speaker 1: the pro Palestini in line. But is that likely to
23:24
Speaker 1: save him if a quarter of his constituents think, no,
23:28
Speaker 1: we really do want someone who's much even more pro Palestinian,
23:33
Speaker 1: et cetera. Fiona went there and found support from Muslim
23:38
Speaker 1: Party is pretty high, it seems. But also she found
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Speaker 1: people warning, as I did last night, this really is
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Speaker 1: a divisive idea.
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Speaker 9: I think it's a good, good concept just to get
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Speaker 9: the opinion of what the Muslims are going through, what
23:55
Speaker 9: our thoughts are, and what's going on in Palestine. And
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Speaker 9: they need it. They need someone, They need someone to
24:00
Speaker 9: have a voice for a community. If you're not supporting Palestine,
24:04
Speaker 9: I wouldn't even look at you.
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Speaker 10: That in a way brings some sort of divisiveness within
24:08
Speaker 10: the community, saying that what if Christians as well, say
24:12
Speaker 10: we also want to be had and all of that,
24:14
Speaker 10: So it wouldn't you bring us forget as much as
24:17
Speaker 10: we do out say, as a cook people in the
24:19
Speaker 10: community they should be had, not because they are Muslimits,
24:22
Speaker 10: but because they're Australians.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, why not?
24:24
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it would be a great idea if possible. Obviously,
24:28
Speaker 11: government should support Palestine as Australian, as a good multicultural,
24:34
Speaker 11: democratic country, we should do something for it.
24:37
Speaker 1: One of those three spoke a great deal of sense.
24:40
Speaker 1: The other two though, join me is Ron Dean, The Spectator,
24:44
Speaker 1: Australian hosts of Outsiders on Sky News each Sunday at
24:47
Speaker 1: nine am. I never miss it, Rowan, This is a
24:51
Speaker 1: dangerous development, isn't it? This idea there's eight hundred thousand Muslims.
24:56
Speaker 1: Do they really need their own lobby group or political
24:58
Speaker 1: force or political membership.
25:03
Speaker 12: Well, what you've touched on there Andrew are very separate thing.
25:06
Speaker 12: So our democracy relies on people standing for parliament if
25:11
Speaker 12: they have strong views on any given issue or multiple issues,
25:16
Speaker 12: and standing for parliament, getting yourself, getting the community behind you,
25:20
Speaker 12: persuading people, door knocking, going around and saying here's what
25:23
Speaker 12: I believe in, here are the things I think we
25:24
Speaker 12: should be doing. That's a terrific thing. That's the heart
25:27
Speaker 12: of our democracy and that's what we want to see
25:28
Speaker 12: more of. But this Muslim vote is not a political party.
25:33
Speaker 12: It is a political lobby group who are going to
25:35
Speaker 12: put pressure on other candidates. Now that's a very different thing.
25:39
Speaker 12: It's nothing wrong with lobby groups. So lobby groups are
25:40
Speaker 12: all sorts of things, and that's great, but it has
25:43
Speaker 12: to be open, and it has to be it has
25:47
Speaker 12: to be transparent so that people know what the lobby
25:50
Speaker 12: group is doing, who's funding it, who's behind.
25:53
Speaker 3: It, and what their platform or their program is.
25:55
Speaker 12: But this idea that we saw with the Teals for example,
26:00
Speaker 12: where oh, we're not really a political party, so we
26:02
Speaker 12: skate around all sorts of you know, the sort of
26:07
Speaker 12: rules or the accepted norms that go with being a
26:09
Speaker 12: political party. We skirt around all that, but we still
26:12
Speaker 12: have political power. That's very dangerous. And this is what
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Speaker 12: this group is talking about. And you just heard the
26:18
Speaker 12: young lady there saying it. You know, I want in Australia,
26:21
Speaker 12: I want my politicians to support Palestine.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry. This is Australia first and foremost.
26:27
Speaker 12: It should be what your politicians are going to do
26:30
Speaker 12: for your local community, not I wonder if she has
26:33
Speaker 12: opinions on wars in Syria or Sudan or elsewhere around
26:37
Speaker 12: the world that she thinks should be the primary interest
26:40
Speaker 12: of Australian politicians, that it should not be. And this
26:44
Speaker 12: is a dangerous development. By all means, have a Muslim
26:47
Speaker 12: political party, but lobby groups that then try to pull
26:51
Speaker 12: tricks with horse whispering whatever it's called vote whispering. Preference
26:55
Speaker 12: whispering is not a healthy development.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I think I would like the
27:03
Speaker 1: idea of a political party that any Australian could choose
27:06
Speaker 1: to join if they shared those political views. Right, I
27:09
Speaker 1: want more freedom or I think a little bit more control.
27:13
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what race or color, or whatever you
27:15
Speaker 1: are or religion. Everyone could potentially join that with the
27:19
Speaker 1: same sort of political views. But to have one that
27:22
Speaker 1: is limited to well you have to be of this
27:25
Speaker 1: religion or of this race, I think is very dangerous.
27:29
Speaker 1: And you just mentioned how easy it is for a
27:31
Speaker 1: party like that to import foreign conflicts as if they're
27:34
Speaker 1: of primary importance here. You can imagine where that's going
27:37
Speaker 1: to take us. But to something Rowan I mentioned on Monday,
27:42
Speaker 1: how amazed, how discussed that I was by the quality
27:46
Speaker 1: of the debate over this nuclear power issue. You know,
27:49
Speaker 1: the plan of the Liberal Party where we had labor
27:55
Speaker 1: politicians posting a cartoon, for instance, of a three eyed
27:59
Speaker 1: kaha for heaven's sake, I mean, how mature is that
28:02
Speaker 1: we had the Victorian labor premier posting a picture of
28:05
Speaker 1: a three eyed fish as a consequence of these alleged
28:10
Speaker 1: nuclear hazard unions Australia. Picture of your family dog turned
28:14
Speaker 1: into some mutant freak childish seems to be winning. I
28:19
Speaker 1: think I fear Rowan in this debate, But in Holland,
28:24
Speaker 1: where I was just the last week, much more adult,
28:27
Speaker 1: no fuss, because there you can just book a tour
28:29
Speaker 1: into a nuclear waste facility to see for yourself. It's
28:33
Speaker 1: as safe as houses. You can go and hug a
28:35
Speaker 1: nuclear waste facility. Out debate looks pathetic in comparison.
28:42
Speaker 3: Totally, and you know the danger.
28:44
Speaker 12: You know, the Labor Party are undergraduate. They are children
28:48
Speaker 12: on pretty much every issue, or they certainly children who
28:52
Speaker 12: didn't get past the first or second arts degree at
28:54
Speaker 12: Sydney UNI and never held a job. Any of them
28:58
Speaker 12: never seriously understood what it is to create wealth and
29:03
Speaker 12: what it is to actually create a society that can
29:07
Speaker 12: can generate its own wealth and not rely on others.
29:10
Speaker 12: So they're talking. What they're refusing to understand is that
29:14
Speaker 12: the nuclear debate is over in the rest of the world.
29:17
Speaker 12: The rest of the world understands that nuclear power is cheap, efficient,
29:21
Speaker 12: you build it, it's there for decades, if not hundreds
29:24
Speaker 12: of years, versus renewables, which are windmills which are falling
29:28
Speaker 12: into the sea after a couple of years and have
29:30
Speaker 12: to be scraped up off the bottom of the sea,
29:32
Speaker 12: or whatever it is. But the reality is nuclear is
29:35
Speaker 12: where we will go. Nuclear is where we will be.
29:37
Speaker 12: In the meantime, we have a juvenile, ridiculous labor party
29:42
Speaker 12: with their silly three eyed fish or whatever it is, ideas,
29:45
Speaker 12: cartoon ideas from the Simpsons that have no relevance to reality.
29:51
Speaker 12: They are crippling this country. They are destroying our manufacturing,
29:54
Speaker 12: our economy, our ability. You're just talking brilliantly with Andrew Hasty.
29:59
Speaker 12: How can we, ever, I hope to be a serious
30:01
Speaker 12: military industrial power If we don't, if we're relying on
30:04
Speaker 12: solar panels and windmills, the Chinese must be laughing themselves
30:08
Speaker 12: at us as well in this debate.
30:10
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that our decline isn't like going off jumping
30:14
Speaker 1: off a cliff, that it's at least a gentle decline.
30:17
Speaker 1: You know, I've abandoned all hope that we're going to progress,
30:20
Speaker 1: and we were going to get relatively poorer in my opinion,
30:23
Speaker 1: and the relatively weaker, and it could be quite dramatic
30:26
Speaker 1: at some stage. Ron Deine. Thank you so much. We'll
30:29
Speaker 1: make that a topic for another day. Thank you for
30:31
Speaker 1: your time. After the break. Now even senior Democrat politicians
30:37
Speaker 1: in the US are saying, Joe's got to go. But
30:41
Speaker 1: why did the media left cover up his mental decline
30:44
Speaker 1: for years? Plus what I kept secret about George hell
30:54
Speaker 1: in a moment, the secret I've kept on George pel
30:56
Speaker 1: but before that news watch now. For years, the media
31:00
Speaker 1: in America and Democrat politicians have been in virtual Cahertz
31:04
Speaker 1: in covering up or ignoring just how much US President
31:08
Speaker 1: Joe Bardener's mentally decayed until it all blew up in
31:13
Speaker 1: their faces with Barden's disastrous debate last week with challenger
31:17
Speaker 1: Donald Trump losing his train of thoughts. They're invacantly into
31:20
Speaker 1: space mumbling that kind of thing. And now even sitting
31:23
Speaker 1: Democrat members of Congress like Nancy Pelosi are publicly saying, well, yes, indeed,
31:29
Speaker 1: there could be a real problem with Joe Biden.
31:33
Speaker 11: He has a bad name.
31:34
Speaker 5: Now again, I think it's a legitimate question to say,
31:39
Speaker 5: is this an episode or is this a condition?
31:43
Speaker 1: One sitting Democrat member of Congress has even called for
31:46
Speaker 1: Joe Biden to quit as the Democrats candidate in the
31:49
Speaker 1: November election. I think we would be better off if
31:53
Speaker 1: we had a new candidate who could present a new
31:56
Speaker 1: vision for our country. No something yet that Budon will
32:01
Speaker 1: step down, even though the White House sources are saying
32:03
Speaker 1: it can only work well for six hours a day
32:06
Speaker 1: and is nodding off. But the media here, I mean
32:09
Speaker 1: Carl Bernstein, right, one of the two legendary Watergate reporters.
32:13
Speaker 1: Now reports of his sources have been telling him that
32:16
Speaker 1: Barden has been in a bad way for a year.
32:19
Speaker 13: That there have been numerous instances where the President has
32:23
Speaker 13: lost his train of thought can't pick it up again.
32:27
Speaker 13: There was a fundraiser at which he started at the podium,
32:31
Speaker 13: and then he became very stiff, according to the people there,
32:34
Speaker 13: as if it were almost a kind of rigor mortis.
32:37
Speaker 3: That's what.
32:39
Speaker 1: A scoop from the Watergate man, except, of course it's
32:42
Speaker 1: one year too late. We knew that before now joining
32:46
Speaker 1: me on news watch It, Sophie Elsworth, media writer of
32:49
Speaker 1: the Australian newspaper. Sophie known for a year Sis Bernstein.
32:54
Speaker 1: So why does the media left only now tell us
32:57
Speaker 1: this and agree that Biden is actually too's gone now?
33:01
Speaker 1: When it's too late, has already been selected by the
33:03
Speaker 1: Democrats AzID in the election. This is a complete media failure.
33:07
Speaker 1: Worse than a failure, I think it's a scandal.
33:13
Speaker 14: Welcome back, Andrew, great to talk to again. Look, this
33:15
Speaker 14: is nothing new and as you say, a scoop, I mean,
33:19
Speaker 14: what a joke. We have been talking about this on
33:22
Speaker 14: this channel, and many other reporters in the media landscape
33:26
Speaker 14: have been talking about Joe Biden's decline, but a large
33:30
Speaker 14: contingency of the media, particularly on the left leaning side,
33:35
Speaker 14: outlets such as CNN, have been in usher denial on this, Andrew,
33:39
Speaker 14: and now it's gotten to the point where last week
33:42
Speaker 14: they couldn't ignore it, and we had President Biden really
33:46
Speaker 14: you know, shocking stuff, terrible performance. He had no teleprompter,
33:51
Speaker 14: he had no notes, he wasn't able to rely on anything,
33:54
Speaker 14: and he was exposed for all to see. Now the
33:57
Speaker 14: media cannot ignore this. They have egg on their face.
34:01
Speaker 14: And this is why the media people lose trust in it.
34:03
Speaker 14: We've known this for years. He's been on a decline
34:07
Speaker 14: for some time, but they're acting as though it's just
34:10
Speaker 14: suddenly dawned on them that there's a problem.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Seriously, the level.
34:17
Speaker 1: Of denial is still right there, Sophie, because when hearing
34:19
Speaker 1: I think burns, they might have said about others as well.
34:23
Speaker 1: The president has got to go out and just do
34:25
Speaker 1: an unscripted, not reading from teleprompter Q and a do
34:29
Speaker 1: a big interview live, you know, front up to the
34:32
Speaker 1: media and show that he can do it without lizistration. Guys,
34:36
Speaker 1: the reason he doesn't do that is precisely because they're
34:40
Speaker 1: terrified he'll do it. They don't get it. I mean,
34:44
Speaker 1: what do you expect him to do?
34:48
Speaker 14: Well, that's right, Andrew. When he doesn't have a script,
34:51
Speaker 14: when he's not reading an AUTOQ, when he doesn't have
34:54
Speaker 14: people in his ear, he fails. And that was shown
34:57
Speaker 14: here and in some ways, I I do feel like
35:01
Speaker 14: this is elder abuse. I mean, he is turning eighty
35:03
Speaker 14: two in November. You know this is going to be
35:07
Speaker 14: long road ahead. If he wins this election. If this
35:11
Speaker 14: is how he is at age eighty one, then it's
35:15
Speaker 14: going to be pretty worrying. If he gets into that
35:17
Speaker 14: position and he's there for another four years.
35:21
Speaker 1: Oh, it doesn't bear thinking about quickly, Sophy. This past
35:26
Speaker 1: year has been devastating to three big media The three
35:30
Speaker 1: big commercial TV stations. I mean in their reputation and
35:34
Speaker 1: among other things Channel seven, Channel ten now Channel nine.
35:38
Speaker 1: Boss Mike Sneezeby he was spot in the first class
35:41
Speaker 1: lounge at Sydney Airport ahead of a trip to Greece
35:43
Speaker 1: for a family wedding. Got to say curiously he flew
35:47
Speaker 1: economy though, just after announcing mass sackings to cut costs.
35:52
Speaker 1: How's all that going.
35:53
Speaker 3: Down like a lead balloon?
35:57
Speaker 14: Andrew, Look, I want to put this out and make
36:00
Speaker 14: it clear. We all need holidays, Everyone needs a break.
36:03
Speaker 14: No one would be critical of anyone taking time off.
36:06
Speaker 14: But he did just announce on the Friday two hundred
36:09
Speaker 14: jobs were going at nine Entertainment. Hours later he spotted
36:13
Speaker 14: at the first class lounge at Sydney Airport and then
36:16
Speaker 14: he's jetted off to Greece. Now, when you're on the
36:19
Speaker 14: big bucks and you're in these prominent roles top of
36:22
Speaker 14: the tree at media outlet, sometimes you have to cancel
36:25
Speaker 14: your plans. And I would argue, as many staff have
36:28
Speaker 14: been in there grumbling. Now is not the time for
36:32
Speaker 14: mister Sneezeby to be heading over and putting his legs
36:35
Speaker 14: up in the hot sun in Greece.
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Speaker 3: It's a terribly bad look.
36:39
Speaker 14: Tomorrow the nine entertainment staff part of the union meeting
36:45
Speaker 14: with management. So the union representatives and meeting with management.
36:48
Speaker 14: They're discussing their pay situation, and no doubt the job
36:52
Speaker 14: losses will be high on the agenda.
36:56
Speaker 1: Well, it seems a bit a bit in denial to
37:00
Speaker 1: be talking about we're going to have big pay claims
37:03
Speaker 1: and all that. I mean, the media industry everywhere is suffering.
37:07
Speaker 1: But there you go. Meanwhile, I mean, give us a
37:10
Speaker 1: sign of where Channel nine is. What's the share price done?
37:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Andrew.
37:16
Speaker 14: So today it closed at a dollar thirty four. It's
37:19
Speaker 14: at one of its lowest points in the last year
37:22
Speaker 14: or so.
37:23
Speaker 3: It was up several years.
37:24
Speaker 12: Ago, up over three dollars.
37:26
Speaker 14: So they've obviously had Peter Costello their chair resign. They've
37:30
Speaker 14: had the Darren Wick saga with the news director and
37:33
Speaker 14: allegations of sexual harassment and misconduct at the network. They
37:37
Speaker 14: are really hurting and their share price for their shareholders
37:41
Speaker 14: is hurting too.
37:44
Speaker 1: Absolutely so feels worth. Thanks for your time now. For
37:49
Speaker 1: a year I have kept a secret about the death
37:51
Speaker 1: last year of Cardinal George pell The secret is the
37:55
Speaker 1: final insult to a great and innocent man. Now, it
37:58
Speaker 1: promised not to reveal what I know to spare Pell's
38:02
Speaker 1: grieving family. But one line in the Australian newspaper today
38:07
Speaker 1: and a call I made to Josh Pell's brother after that,
38:11
Speaker 1: it leaves me free to say what I did learn,
38:14
Speaker 1: or at least most of it. It's this line and
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Speaker 1: a story in the financial scandals that Pell Is, the
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Speaker 1: reforming Vatican Treasurer at the time, was exposing until he
38:23
Speaker 1: was falsely and conveniently accused of abusing two boys at
38:27
Speaker 1: once in an open room in this busy cathedral of
38:31
Speaker 1: the line Is. Rumors have swirled around the Holy See
38:34
Speaker 1: for months that Pell's body was left in a post
38:37
Speaker 1: autopsy disarray and had not been properly dressed, sparking further
38:42
Speaker 1: concerns about his last hours. Now I don't buy conspiracy
38:48
Speaker 1: theories about Pell's death. He was in bad health and
38:51
Speaker 1: he had been saying it for years, even though his
38:53
Speaker 1: haters didn't believe him. But I do know this state
38:56
Speaker 1: of his body. After the Vatican Center to Australia for burial.
39:00
Speaker 1: Now Pell confident, who was at the opening of the
39:03
Speaker 1: coffin found Pel's body been treated with gross disrespect. Perhaps
39:08
Speaker 1: was just incompetence, but some of Pearl's closest associates have
39:11
Speaker 1: told me they suspected some in the Vatican had not
39:15
Speaker 1: forgiven Pell for exposing corruption. Now, after reading that line
39:20
Speaker 1: in the Australian, I ranged Pel's brother David to check
39:23
Speaker 1: what he knew of what had been done to the
39:26
Speaker 1: cardinal's body, and it turned out he'd learned many details
39:29
Speaker 1: to spite our attempts to shield him. That's why he
39:32
Speaker 1: had kept a secret. As he confirmed the embalming in
39:36
Speaker 1: his words, had been mucked up or buggered up as
39:39
Speaker 1: Sydney undertaker had to clean the body. Pell's nose had
39:43
Speaker 1: also been broken. Pell was also shoeless, said David, Pell's brother.
39:49
Speaker 1: In fact, I had been told he wasn't only shoeless,
39:52
Speaker 1: all his clothes had simply been just thrown into the coffin.
39:57
Speaker 1: Now it is true that outward lea the Vatican did
40:00
Speaker 1: Pel the full honors at his death, with the packed
40:03
Speaker 1: service of Saint Peter's attended by the Pope, and Pell remains,
40:06
Speaker 1: of course admired by many around the world, including me,
40:09
Speaker 1: and not just Catholics. Of course, I'm not not even
40:12
Speaker 1: Christian admired as a man of God, a man of principle,
40:15
Speaker 1: a reformer, a strong leader, and a man persecuted for
40:19
Speaker 1: his faith. But the Vatican should now be deeply, deeply
40:24
Speaker 1: ashamed to have treated his bodily so his body so shabbily. Now,
40:30
Speaker 1: Pearl once told me he didn't feel safe in the
40:32
Speaker 1: Vatican as he chased the thieves, he hid documents in
40:37
Speaker 1: London and Sydney. What was done to him after his
40:41
Speaker 1: death makes me suspect he was right. After the break,
40:48
Speaker 1: Britain goes to the polls in about twenty four hours,
40:51
Speaker 1: and boy, are we about to see the biggest wipeout
40:53
Speaker 1: of Conservatives in British history. Across the Laura Jays. Now
41:01
Speaker 1: around the West, you've got right wing parties getting stronger
41:04
Speaker 1: and stronger. You had the election in Italy for instance,
41:06
Speaker 1: in Holland the European Union a couple of weeks ago,
41:10
Speaker 1: and you've now got Trump a favorite in the US election.
41:14
Speaker 1: But there is one big exception. In less than twenty
41:17
Speaker 1: four hours, Britains are going to go to the polls
41:19
Speaker 1: and if opinions are right, the conservative government of Rishisnac
41:23
Speaker 1: is going to be absolutely decimated replaced by the Labor
41:27
Speaker 1: Party of Kiirstarma. Join me from London. It's Sky News
41:30
Speaker 1: host Laura Jays salivating over the results of what's going
41:35
Speaker 1: to be an absolutely historic night. Laura, it's just incredible
41:39
Speaker 1: what the polls are telling us. I'm not sure the
41:42
Speaker 1: polls are going to be inaccurate this time. Give us
41:44
Speaker 1: some idea of how bad they are for Prime Minister
41:47
Speaker 1: of Rishisunak and the Conservatives.
41:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
41:50
Speaker 15: Look, there's always that degree of difficulty with polling, but
41:54
Speaker 15: there has been some pretty huge sample size and the
41:56
Speaker 15: polls have consistently said that this is going to be
41:59
Speaker 15: diabolical for the Tories, who around eighteen months Labor has
42:02
Speaker 15: been leading the Tories in double digits. It's been as
42:06
Speaker 15: high as twenty percent the last couple of polls. In
42:08
Speaker 15: the last couple of days, Andrew have said that that
42:10
Speaker 15: might be down to fifteen but it's not going to matter.
42:13
Speaker 15: We're talking about a six hundred and fifty seat parliament.
42:17
Speaker 15: Behind me, some of the estimates are that the Tories
42:21
Speaker 15: could get just twenty percent of the vote and that
42:24
Speaker 15: would translate to just thirteen percent of the seats. Another
42:27
Speaker 15: statistic that will make your eyes water, Andrew is that
42:30
Speaker 15: of the fourteen million votes they got the last election,
42:34
Speaker 15: they're set to lose between seven and nine million of those.
42:38
Speaker 15: You have to remember this was a snap election, Rishie Sunak,
42:43
Speaker 15: surprise many people. This is a London summer believe it
42:47
Speaker 15: or not. A summer election. A lot of Tories go away,
42:50
Speaker 15: so there will be a high postal vote, one in
42:52
Speaker 15: six people expected to vote. So you have to really
42:56
Speaker 15: question some of the wisdom of the strategy of the
42:58
Speaker 15: Tory campaign on that note alone. Why bring Boris Johnson
43:02
Speaker 15: out in just the last twenty four hours when a
43:05
Speaker 15: lot of Tories would have already voted. You also got
43:07
Speaker 15: the Reform Party and Nigel Farash and they're splitting that
43:11
Speaker 15: Tory vote. So look, he just can't catch a brake.
43:14
Speaker 15: But I've got to say he's putting on a pretty
43:15
Speaker 15: brave face.
43:18
Speaker 1: Look, it's just incredible, Laura. I mean, you know, we
43:22
Speaker 1: all know in Australia a you don't go calling an
43:26
Speaker 1: election a snap election when you're actually way behind. You've
43:31
Speaker 1: got to wait for something, hopefully to turn up, and
43:34
Speaker 1: you know, for him to have for the premise they
43:36
Speaker 1: have called it in the middle of a rainstorm, so
43:39
Speaker 1: he looked like a drowned rat. I mean talking about symbolic. Now,
43:43
Speaker 1: the British Labour Party has been pretty extreme at times.
43:45
Speaker 1: What's it now like Underkeeith Sarmer. It doesn't matter, it's
43:48
Speaker 1: all about anti conservative.
43:52
Speaker 15: Well, it doesn't really matter in many ways, and it's
43:54
Speaker 15: a pretty small target campaign on both sides. And Keirstarma
43:58
Speaker 15: he's a relatively new politician. You have to remember that
44:01
Speaker 15: he only entered politics or the parliament I should say,
44:05
Speaker 15: around ten years ago. He became leader four years ago,
44:09
Speaker 15: and this was all being planned when Jeremy Corbyn was
44:12
Speaker 15: still the leader. I get the sense at the moment
44:15
Speaker 15: Andrew that you know, the Labor Party really is holding
44:18
Speaker 15: together because they can. They're salivating because they know that
44:22
Speaker 15: they're going to get across the line in a very
44:24
Speaker 15: big way and the results will come thick and fast
44:26
Speaker 15: and early tomorrow night. But it's what happens after. It's
44:31
Speaker 15: what you know, someone to stay this kind of middle path,
44:34
Speaker 15: but the extreme elements of the left that no doubt
44:38
Speaker 15: will be agitating. I mean, I think it was back
44:39
Speaker 15: in nineteen ninety eight Gordon Brown spoke nothing of the
44:43
Speaker 15: independence of the Bank of England at the time, and
44:45
Speaker 15: two days after the election, two days after he won,
44:48
Speaker 15: he announced that. So I think there's a lot of
44:50
Speaker 15: commonry and editorials at the moment from the Financial Times,
44:55
Speaker 15: for example, saying, you know, the Tories have squandered their
44:58
Speaker 15: opportunity over the last fourteen years. Starma needs a chance,
45:01
Speaker 15: but not to say that. They're worried about how interventionists
45:06
Speaker 15: he might be. So a lot of it is you've
45:09
Speaker 15: got to wait and see, and the Tories are saying, well,
45:11
Speaker 15: you might not have to wait that long. Don't give
45:13
Speaker 15: them a supermajority. At least leave us with a decent
45:16
Speaker 15: rump in Parliament so they can oppose some of the
45:18
Speaker 15: policies that they're warning about.
45:22
Speaker 1: Good luck just quickly, Laura. I mean, I think this
45:25
Speaker 1: election is going to once again prove that our political
45:29
Speaker 1: system voting is much better. You know, preferences, if you know,
45:35
Speaker 1: if your candidate doesn't go up, your preferences go to
45:38
Speaker 1: someone else. And because here you've got the Reform Party
45:41
Speaker 1: and the Conservative Party splitting the vote in a first
45:44
Speaker 1: past the post system, which is going to absolutely devastate
45:48
Speaker 1: them both. So giving an outsided majority to the Labor party.
45:52
Speaker 1: Is there any talk in Britain that this system's got
45:55
Speaker 1: to change so the preferences can flow.
46:00
Speaker 15: No, you know what they're like here. They love their
46:02
Speaker 15: system even though it is deeply flawed. You're right, the
46:05
Speaker 15: first path of plos system makes it really difficult. And
46:09
Speaker 15: you know, Reform UK. One in six people may vote
46:13
Speaker 15: for Reform UK. That could be about fifteen percent of
46:17
Speaker 15: the vote, but they still could end up with zero seats.
46:20
Speaker 15: So that's what the system is like here. But you're right,
46:22
Speaker 15: they're splitting the Conservative vote on the right. And you
46:26
Speaker 15: saw Boris Johnson come out yesterday late in the campaign.
46:31
Speaker 15: He was attacking Kissed Arma. He had a really great
46:34
Speaker 15: line he said, don't let the Putinisters deliver under the korbnisters.
46:40
Speaker 15: You know obviously Jerry in the party now, but he's
46:43
Speaker 15: trying to enact those ghosts from the past and warn
46:47
Speaker 15: people about that. Yeah, it's too late, but it it'll
46:53
Speaker 15: be very strazy stuff.
46:54
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you got over your jet layer. Come
46:57
Speaker 1: on for us. I really appreciate it. Great view behind you.
47:00
Speaker 1: A bit cold though, Laura Jays, thank you so much.
47:03
Speaker 1: That's it from me up now to Nick into Georgia,