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#1984 Tim & I Are Sh*T Employees - Tim Jack Adams · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I got a team. It's bloody you project and it's
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  Speaker 1: it's me. It's a what is it? It's a it's
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  Speaker 1: a Wednesday. It's me and Tim Jack Adams, my new friend.
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  Speaker 1: We've known each other for seven minutes. We go way
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  Speaker 1: back and we're going to do a deep dive home. Mate.
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Mardon Craig. So far the last seven minutes has
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  Speaker 2: been nice. Mates. I'm liking this friendship of ours.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really getting to know you. It's it's nice.
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  Speaker 1: If only you were closer, I could spoon you. But
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  Speaker 1: we'll stay in.
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  Speaker 2: The bites through the lens.
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  Speaker 1: Mate, We'll keep our relationship virtual for the minute. Where
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  Speaker 1: are you? By the way? As in what's staked?
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  Speaker 2: So Kingsliff which is a little coastal town between Byron
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  Speaker 2: and Brisbane and Mate. Here we basically spend our whole
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  Speaker 2: lives in the water. If we can, Mate, we'd run
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  Speaker 2: our lives on the high tides around Kingscliff.
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  Speaker 1: How long you been up there?
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  Speaker 2: Sixteen seventeen years. Started our first company here called Watersports
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  Speaker 2: Guru back then hiring out paddleboards and kayaks and snorkeling
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  Speaker 2: with the turtles and Mate, I'll never leave, absolutely in
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  Speaker 2: love with the place. And I've got a couple of
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  Speaker 2: kids here now that Ian Kindy are doing a little
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  Speaker 2: growing coastal program this morning, mate, So my little man
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  Speaker 2: is running around fingle made in the forests and beaches
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  Speaker 2: just living his best life this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Of course is. And what a great environment for a
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  Speaker 1: range of reasons to grow up in. Where did you
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  Speaker 1: grow up?
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  Speaker 2: So? I grew up in Palm Beach, Gold Coast. So
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  Speaker 2: I was born nineteen eighty two, left there when I
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  Speaker 2: was seventeen, did the old traveling mate backpacking around Europe
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  Speaker 2: and you know, lived in Scotland and London and did
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  Speaker 2: all those things, and then came back at the age
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  Speaker 2: of twenty one as a dreadlocked hippie mate and became
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  Speaker 2: a divemaster.
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  Speaker 1: Of course you did. And you're on p T. Paul
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  Speaker 1: Taylor's show last week. How did you get? How did
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  Speaker 1: you know him or know of him? Or did you
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  Speaker 1: get how did that happen?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so referral and mate, PAULI and I had a
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  Speaker 2: great conversation and they definitely bring the swearing at him.
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  Speaker 2: So I got in trouble by the wife for that one.
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  Speaker 2: And then I just heard your and Cam's episode, Mate,
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  Speaker 2: where it was hiding in a dark alley, and I'd realize,
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  Speaker 2: I'm probably not going to do too much better on
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  Speaker 2: this episode. And then I thought, mate, how bloody boring
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  Speaker 2: me being in a studio. I almost thought I'd grab
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  Speaker 2: my kayke made and maybe do some you know, some
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  Speaker 2: fishing out wide, mate while talking to you, just to
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  Speaker 2: make it more interesting. How'd he can go? I didn't
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  Speaker 2: get to finish the episode. Did he survive?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah he did. It was funny because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's always in a pretty insulated, quiet, sound proofish room.
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  Speaker 1: It's all very all pretty high tech. And yesterday he
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  Speaker 1: was he was going to do some work with a school,
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  Speaker 1: with the teachers from a school, and he's I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: he was in a corridor near a car park or
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  Speaker 1: a bloody alley way or it looked like he was
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  Speaker 1: a drug dealer trying to stay out of a line
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  Speaker 1: of sight of the cops, you know, and he's and
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  Speaker 1: he had his ear piecing, And the audio was a
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  Speaker 1: bit shit, and the internet was a bit shit, but
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  Speaker 1: it was good. Is a smart man.
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  Speaker 2: Funny story about doctor Cam and I. When you brought
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  Speaker 2: up the school thing. I actually just had a flashback
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  Speaker 2: the first time I met him. Were actually doing a
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  Speaker 2: leadership group out walk somewhere on the Sunny coast for
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  Speaker 2: you know, for a school and him and I very
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  Speaker 2: similar stature, so same height, same build. Must have meant
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  Speaker 2: he's probably a little bit better looking than I am.
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  Speaker 2: But we literally rocked up at the same time wearing
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  Speaker 2: the exact same brown boots, beij pants, brown belt, blue shirt,
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  Speaker 2: the same color tone, and I swear mate, everyone thought
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  Speaker 2: we'll twins, And so I was just glad that I
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  Speaker 2: got to do the keynote first, mate, because then I
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  Speaker 2: could hang shit on him for wearing the same clothes
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  Speaker 2: as me.
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  Speaker 1: Was that? Did you know him before that? Or no?
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  Speaker 2: Nah? Knew of his work. He's got his amazing bloke.
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  Speaker 2: He's doing beautiful work. But I never actually, you know,
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  Speaker 2: had a face to face with him before that.
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  Speaker 1: So what was I'm sure it's not one step, but
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  Speaker 1: what was the what was the journey or the pathway
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  Speaker 1: between going up and doing all the water sports stuff
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  Speaker 1: and where you are now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it, Because it's very
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  Speaker 2: different to Cam's journey which started in academia. Mine started
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  Speaker 2: sitting by the creek and hiring out paddle boards. It
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  Speaker 2: was in twenty twelve, a craig. Basically I was sitting
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  Speaker 2: under a three by three meter red tent. Previous to that,
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  Speaker 2: I'd spent ten years and eco tours amountdoor education, basically
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  Speaker 2: getting people out frolicking and pondering in nature, you know,
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  Speaker 2: doing wonderful experiences. And when I was sitting under this
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  Speaker 2: red tent, beautiful summer's day, incoming high tide down in
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  Speaker 2: Kingsworth there on Cutcheon Creek, I just hired out some
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  Speaker 2: paddle boards for a family, and this question popped into
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  Speaker 2: my head. Why is it when we actively engage in
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  Speaker 2: nature do we seem to be healthier and happier? So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, from that one question, we started working with
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  Speaker 2: academics and practitioners all over the world. We created this
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  Speaker 2: framework called greenex seven, which is really just seven tools
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  Speaker 2: of green exercise. Green exercise just means to actively engage
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  Speaker 2: in nature, something that we just don't do anymore as
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  Speaker 2: a country. And from there, Mate, we just had some
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  Speaker 2: good luck, you know, and chances that I got to
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  Speaker 2: work all over the world with places like Six Senses Hotels.
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  Speaker 2: Alila then started working for the Australian Fens Force Red
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  Speaker 2: Bull and I it's it's been interesting because if you
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  Speaker 2: ask me ten years ago what I'd be doing now,
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  Speaker 2: I would have told you I'll be hiring out paddle
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  Speaker 2: boards on the edge of a creek. And now, mate,
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  Speaker 2: look where I am. So I was never planned and
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  Speaker 2: here I am.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're doing all right, son, You're on you're on
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  Speaker 1: some decent podcasts, and you've got good some good people
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  Speaker 1: around you, and you're getting a few ticks in the
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  Speaker 1: column there. What what have you learned about that, apart
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  Speaker 1: from we're going to go back to the mind stuff
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  Speaker 1: and the physiology in a minute. But developing a business,
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  Speaker 1: building a brand, taking an idea of sitting under a
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  Speaker 1: tent in twenty twelve to twenty twenty five, You've written
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  Speaker 1: a book, You've got this wildly successful business, You've got
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  Speaker 1: all these people who know who you are and what
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  Speaker 1: you do. But to me, you seem like a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a vagabond, a bit of you know, like me,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a No, I'm probably more of
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  Speaker 1: a bogan than you. I think you're more.
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  Speaker 2: Goat stories there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an academic bogain, that's all. I am, how is
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  Speaker 1: your development kind of played out in terms of becoming
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  Speaker 1: this guy who's the leader, who's the builder of the
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  Speaker 1: developer of ideas.
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  Speaker 2: So one thing I know about I'm shit out at
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  Speaker 2: business sales and marketing. I know that for sure, and luckily,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I've got some amazing people in my corner
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  Speaker 2: that aren't. But I realized that I never really got
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  Speaker 2: into business for business sake. I only got into business.
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  Speaker 2: Number one, I was a useless employee, and so I
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  Speaker 2: was never good at working for someone. I remember Kira
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  Speaker 2: dive mate was my first real job when I became
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  Speaker 2: a divemaster. And Paul matt lockemate, who is a legend
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  Speaker 2: of a guy, you know, the boss. I remember he
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  Speaker 2: gave me a job one day and it was to
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  Speaker 2: sweep the flaws. And when he came back, I'd had
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  Speaker 2: someone else sweeping the floors and he said, Timmy, what
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  Speaker 2: are you doing, mad? I asked you to sweep the floors.
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  Speaker 2: I said, he's so much better at sweeping the floors, mate,
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  Speaker 2: I thought I'd do something else. It's Tommy, Mate, You're useless.
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  Speaker 2: So I realized, Mate, at some point I just had
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  Speaker 2: to do my own thing because I wasn't very good
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  Speaker 2: at listening to other people. But I think everything I've
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  Speaker 2: done is it's always been purpose first, And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm very much driven by my own passions and what
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  Speaker 2: I want to do. Water Sports group starter because I
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  Speaker 2: just wanted to get people outdoors in nature, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because I loved it myself. Greenex seven Starter because I
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  Speaker 2: was probably healing my own wounds from an interesting childhood,
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  Speaker 2: and I was creating a framework that was not only
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  Speaker 2: healing myself, but you know, others around me. So it's
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a business per se. I wouldn't say
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  Speaker 2: I'm a businessman. I wouldn't say I'm an entrepreneur. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just a guy that loves the purpose of life and
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  Speaker 2: tries to do better. You know, I wasn't always doing better.
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  Speaker 2: I had a really bad mindset. I didn't like waking
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  Speaker 2: up in my brain each day. But I think the
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  Speaker 2: last twelve years of trying to you know, love that
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  Speaker 2: philosophy Kaisan continuous improvement in that Japanese philosophy, and I
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  Speaker 2: think I'm just trying to continue to do that each
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  Speaker 2: and every day made and if people get inspired by
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  Speaker 2: it and want to come on the journey with me.
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  Speaker 2: Then I'm very grateful for that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. It's I think you and me probably
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  Speaker 1: have something in common, and that is I wasn't very
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  Speaker 1: good at having a job. Like I had a job
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  Speaker 1: from when I was eighteen. I didn't go to UNI
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  Speaker 1: first time until I was in my thirties. But like
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  Speaker 1: working for someone, which, by the way, having a job's
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  Speaker 1: not a bad thing. In fact, for most people it's
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  Speaker 1: a great thing. But you know, me going to work,
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  Speaker 1: clocking in, clocking off, ticking all these boxes that I
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  Speaker 1: had to tick through the day, very routine. It was
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  Speaker 1: very the same. It was very groundhog day. There was
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  Speaker 1: no real learning or development. There was no real growth opportunity,
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  Speaker 1: There was no you know, my boss was a good guy.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't I didn't really want to spend the next
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  Speaker 1: ten twenty thirty years with him. You know, good dude, though,
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  Speaker 1: But you get to the point where, well, I got
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  Speaker 1: to the point where I went, I'm twenty this I
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  Speaker 1: was probably twenty two. I realized I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: do this or a version of this for the next
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  Speaker 1: forty years. I went, so what would that look like?
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  Speaker 1: What else could I do? I'm not at this stage.
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  Speaker 1: I was definitely not an academic. I'm not an academic.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a genius. I'm not lazy. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to go to work and clock in and clock off,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nine to five. That's for some people, great,
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  Speaker 1: not for me. I don't want to wear a suit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to sit in a fucking cubicle. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to look at a computer, although they were
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  Speaker 1: hardly around back then. But how do I what is
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  Speaker 1: something that is maybe the intersection of curiosity and passion
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  Speaker 1: and joy and making a few dollars and purpose and growth,
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  Speaker 1: like what lives in the middle of all of that?
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  Speaker 1: And can I can I build something off my passion
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  Speaker 1: and curiosity that makes a few bucks and pays the
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  Speaker 1: bills and might grow into something And so that was
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  Speaker 1: my That was my genesis and which you probably don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But I set up the first personal training center in
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  Speaker 1: Australia right the first course with a friend of mine.
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  Speaker 1: There was when I started PT, which was I was
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  Speaker 1: working in gyms in nineteen eighty two, but I started
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  Speaker 1: PT in eighty five. Well, there wasn't even a qualification
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  Speaker 1: for another five or six or seven years after that,
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  Speaker 1: so there was no qualification, no insurance, no industry per se.
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  Speaker 1: But I figured out this thing that somebody else would
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  Speaker 1: have figured out anyway, of course, but where I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is just I could. I can do ten hours
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  Speaker 1: a day of this and this doesn't feel like work,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So there's this thing, you know, and in business,
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  Speaker 1: like I do a lot of stuff around, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the people stuff in the business. I don't talk about
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  Speaker 1: business per se. I talk about the humans who work
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  Speaker 1: in the businesses, the organizations. I was talking to this
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  Speaker 1: great team the other day and we're talking about the
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  Speaker 1: difference between work life balance, or this idea of work
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  Speaker 1: life balance, which is so tim if you do about
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  Speaker 1: this much work and you have about this much non work,
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  Speaker 1: you get this like seesaw or these scales where oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're doing this much work and this much not work,
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  Speaker 1: so therefore that's a good balance. Therefore you've got work
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  Speaker 1: life balance, which abstractly kind of sounds theoretically okay until
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  Speaker 1: you put it under the spotlight and you go, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but what if I'm doing fifty hours or sixty hours
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  Speaker 1: a week of something that I fucking love, and what
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  Speaker 1: if my work doesn't feel like work. And what if
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  Speaker 1: my work actually energizes me. And what if I'm building
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  Speaker 1: rapport and relationships and connection and laughing and having fun.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing that sixty hours a week versus twenty hours
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  Speaker 1: a week of a job that I fucking hate. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to get out of bed like it gives
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  Speaker 1: me no joy. It makes me anxious. I don't look
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  Speaker 1: forward to going to work. It's not a good culture,
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  Speaker 1: it's not a good environment. I'm not supported, I'm not recognized,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not loved, I'm not encouraged, you know. And it's
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  Speaker 1: so when you can find like you have, I think
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  Speaker 1: I'll get down off my soapbox in a minute. But
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  Speaker 1: when you can find something that is essentially your purpose
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  Speaker 1: that happens to make some dough well tickety boo, as
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  Speaker 1: Paul Taylor would say.
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  Speaker 2: Mate, it's look and there's something that obviously lights you up,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, I didn't know that backs through of yours.
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  Speaker 2: I just listened to you because you've got a nice voice.
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  Speaker 2: But and you haven't come across doctor Ian Boyle, you
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  Speaker 2: know in your past, did you? Because doctor Ian Boyle,
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  Speaker 2: he's passed away now, was a great mentor of mine.
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  Speaker 2: But I thought you might have run into him back
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  Speaker 2: in the day that you were pioneering that space. I'll
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  Speaker 2: talk to him about him off screen. But you obviously
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  Speaker 2: have something that lights you up. And this is an
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  Speaker 2: interesting thing with people like yourself and Ei that are
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  Speaker 2: so lit up by what we do right, it fuels us.
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  Speaker 2: And not everyone has this, and not everyone can do this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying they can't do it because they don't
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  Speaker 2: have the mindset or that they don't want to. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it's just situational, right, and unfortunately that's just how it is.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing that I find and this is this
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  Speaker 2: is the hardest part of it, you know, Craig is, Look,
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  Speaker 2: I've got two kids under four. You know, my wife,
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  Speaker 2: she's a fire fighter, so she's got a job. And mate,
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  Speaker 2: I could do sixty hours a week, seventy hours a
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  Speaker 2: week because it does energize me. It does light me
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  Speaker 2: up because I'm just so full of purpose with what
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing. I think what we have to be careful
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  Speaker 2: of is that, you know, if we take the normal week,
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  Speaker 2: when we look at everything we have to do, work, sleep,
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  Speaker 2: the responsibilities, everything else. You know, we typically say that
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you work forty hours a week and
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  Speaker 2: you've got twenty hours a week free time. After you
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  Speaker 2: do all of those things, you do the things that
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  Speaker 2: you love, And for me, that's reconnecting myself and others
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  Speaker 2: through nature, you know, family, friends. When you work fifty
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  Speaker 2: hours a week, that reduces down to ten hours, and
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  Speaker 2: then when you work sixty hours a week, that spare
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  Speaker 2: time almost goes to nil. So I think we have
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  Speaker 2: to be really careful in terms of when we are
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  Speaker 2: so passionate about doing something and we get so much
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  Speaker 2: value from it, that the things that we do love
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  Speaker 2: don't fall by the wayside. Because what I find most
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  Speaker 2: and obviously I coach a lot of leaders, is that
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  Speaker 2: they do get so caught up feeling valued and having
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  Speaker 2: such a sense of strong meaning and belonging in their work,
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  Speaker 2: but unfortunately when they come home, they might not get
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  Speaker 2: that same value meaning belonging at home, and so what
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  Speaker 2: happens is a bit of a disconnection happens between their family,
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  Speaker 2: their friends, or whatever it is. And this is I
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  Speaker 2: think where we have to be careful. So it's not
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  Speaker 2: kind of like work life balance or whatever we want
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  Speaker 2: to call it. I think we just have to be
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  Speaker 2: careful that we don't disconnect from the things that make
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  Speaker 2: life important because we're getting value elsewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very valid, very valid. And I think that having
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  Speaker 1: that bigger picture awareness, which is easy to lose sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: you know, where you have that, Like my parents are
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  Speaker 1: old old. Obviously I'm old, so they're pack super old.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how they're still here, but anyway, God
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  Speaker 1: bless them. I love them. No, they're fine, and but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: i'm you know, they are my priority now, like work
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  Speaker 1: is not my priority. I love work works, but there
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  Speaker 1: are parts of work that I don't love. There are
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  Speaker 1: parts like I'm finishing my PhD at the moment, and
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  Speaker 1: there are bits of that that I just hate. It's
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  Speaker 1: like and like, I'm glad to be in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the process, but you know, I'm about ten weeks
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  Speaker 1: away from submission to give or take, and it's yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff in the middle of that
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  Speaker 1: that is not fun, not painless, not quick, not easy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not comfortable. But they're the things that you
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  Speaker 1: do to create the thing that you want, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And so for me, it's like, what's the shit that
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  Speaker 1: I need to do, not the shit that I want
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  Speaker 1: to do, Because quite often where I grow, learn, evolve, adapt,
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  Speaker 1: become better as in the middle of the shit, not
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the comfort.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: You know, my biggest struggle is I don't know if
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: you find this too, And I've got to get to
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: asking you what lights you up, because I'm very intrigued.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: But it's it's the sitting, Okay. So I love to
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: be outdoors, right, that's probably obvious from our conversation. I
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: love taking teams outdoors because to me, nature is where
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I'm lit up the most. But yet, as you know
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: from running businesses, mate, you're always bloody stuck indoors, in
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: front of screens, tapping away on a keyboard, And it's
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: this balance where you get sucked into, you know, task
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: focused and not mission focused. And I think you know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: being a business person, being an entrepreneur, unless you're at
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: a stage where you can employ enough people to continually
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: just be mission focused, it's very hard in this in
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: between stage of a small business or small medium business
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: to really do the things that light you up all
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: the time. And I don't know if that's ever the
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: case where you do just do that mission focused stuff,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: or if we always are just getting caught in the
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: weeds sometimes how do you find this mate?
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Look, I think there's always going to be a bit
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: of there needs to be a bit of both for
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: things to happen, you know, practically and develop in a
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: real way. So I have two people that work for me.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Tiff who edits and works on these shows and sits
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: in and participates. Tip's great. And then I have Melissa
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: who runs my life. Melissa's basically she's the manager of me.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: She's the CEO of my life. Right, I'm just a
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I'm just a character. I'm a character in the fucking
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Craig story. She tells me what to do. Well, yeah, no,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I'm shit. Left to my own devices. I'm not even
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: turning up today for this, right. So, but I think
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: they are things that need to be done, you know,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: boxes need to be ticked, strategy processes, all of those things.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: And I work with her on some of that. But
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I'm well aware of what is the best use of
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: me and what is the best use of her. Like,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: what's what if I'm going to devote an out of
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: me to something, what is the best use of that
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: hour based on who we are, what we want to be,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: do create change? Right? And then what's the best use
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: of her now as long as she and by the way,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: on no level does she want to be me or
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: a version of me. We're very different people, Like we've
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: got a good connection, but we're nothing alike. I don't
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: want to do any of the shit that she does,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: and I can't curse them dumb, But it's that, you know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: when you're in terms of work anyway, is you know,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: putting aside family and the other stuff for the minute,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: but in terms of creating a business and creating a
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: work environment and a work experience and a work culture
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: that doesn't feel like work, Like we laugh one hundred times,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: not one hundred, but we laugh ten times a day
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: at dumb shit, right, And we have three or four
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: zoom calls a day to meet about stuff, maybe one,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: maybe five, it depends on the day. But she's worked
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: with me for fourteen years. We've never had an argument,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: well one argument, nothing. There's never been tension, never been
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: raised voice. And I think part of that is because
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I genuinely want her at this point. I want her
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to do better than me. Like my life's good, my
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: life is good.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I'm busy more in it than that, though. Craig Jesus Christ.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: That's amazing. Fourteen years, not one argument.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Like, no, no, no, no.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Let's I got to dig deeper into that because this
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: is interesting.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: First of all, I find it funny that you and
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I can't be employees mates. So we've done our own thing,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: but yet we've employed someone to boss us around. We're
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: both the same mates. I just want to tell me
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: what to do all the time. Okay, let's come back
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: to that. Just fourteen years a relationship, mate, You laugh
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: every day, you don't fight like this is this is
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: almost what you know. Marital dreams are made of, right,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: finding a partner or a mate that you can have
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: such beautiful synergy with, right and laugh with. What's There's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: got to be more than just that. You know, you're
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: try trying to help her grinder a better version of herself.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: What's what else is behind that?
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I think we have a mutual respect for one another. Also,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: this is very fundamental. But when I started, when I
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: opened my first PT center, which was the first one
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: in Australia in nine and ninety, I opened three more.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: So I ended up I had four and I had
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: gyms for twenty five years, and over that time I
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: employed about five hundred trainers. So I had and I
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: had multiple managers, and I had pas, and I had
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you know, like a team. I have massves that worked
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: for me or my therapist. We had a whole but
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: primarily I employed trainers and one of the things that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and most of them, most of the time, were pretty good.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: There were moments where I'm like, fuck, I hate owning
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a business. I hate conflict resolution, I hate this kind
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of problem solving. I you know, like most of it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: pretty good. But by the time I got old, which
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: was ten years, I went, I'm only going to work
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: with people I like. I mean, I like to be around.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: It's not that I didn't like my team. I did.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: They were mostly great. But you know, if you have
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: enough people, well there's going to be people that you
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: butt heads with. Doesn't mean you're right, they're wrong, or
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you're good they're bad. Doesn't mean that. It just means
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that you ain't the same. But for me, it was
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: trying to build a even if it's only three people
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: like it is for me right now, I want a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: culture where they love working with me. Not for my
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: self esteem, not for my ego, but when they go
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: to work in inverted commas. They want to go to
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: work like they're not biding time with me until something
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: good comes, do you know what I mean? And so
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I you know, I invest into their lives. I help
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: them as much as I can. And it's not a strategy.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: It's just because I care about them both. I want
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: them both to succeed. And I think that, you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I was quite selfish and self focused and egotistical and
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: unaware and all of the things when I was younger, right, insecure,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: only child, morbidly obese, fatis kid at school called Jumbo.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: That was my name all through school. All this shit
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that led to all this other emotional, psychological and interpersonal
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and sociological stuff. Right, But one day kind of I
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: woke up tim and I was thirty two. I had
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: three gyms and two other businesses. I had one hundred
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: staff at that stage, they're all making money. I was successful,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: depending on how you you know classify success. I was
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: writing for the Herald's Son in Melbourne. I was working
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: on radio. I was doing all these cool things. I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: had lots of stuff. And in the middle of all
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of that, I was so fucking miserable. And I realized
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: that It's much bigger and more than this. But I
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: realized that the more me focused I was, the less
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: happy I was. And it wasn't that I didn't care
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: about anyone, but I was always trying to tick these
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: success boxes that I'd heard about, because we grow up
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: in a culture that says success is about things. Success
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: is about what people see, what people think you your brand,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: your house, your home, your your car, you know, your profile,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: your academic credibility, your face, your body. These are all
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the metrics. And hey, you're making money, you've got lots
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: of stuff, you're in good shape, you know, or you
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: tick all these boxes. And I would go to bed
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: every night and I couldn't sleep because I was stressed
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and anxious and overthinking. And so for me, you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: it was just peeling that back and trying to understand
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the me in the middle of all of that, trying to,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: like I think, trying to understand ourself, truly trying to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: understand our mind, which is this metacognitive journey of trying
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to understand why do I think the way that I do?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Where did these blos come from? Did I choose them?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Did I just adopt them unconsciously? Why do I respond
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to Tim this way. Am I intimidated by him? No?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Pun intended, intimidated. You know, it's like just trying to
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: understand ourselves and our drivers and the way we are.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: For me, That's why this is called the You Project,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: because I think you the biggest project in your life
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: will always be you. That's not say you don't love
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: your kids or misses more than you, but in terms
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: of managing you, that's a project. Me managing me, that's
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a project.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Craig. Have you read the book by Bronnie Ware, The
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Five Regrets of the Dying.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I know of it, I haven't read it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: So just for the listeners, you know Bronnie Ware, Pali Nurse,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Five Regrets of the Dying. Number one, I wish I
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: lived a life true to myself and not the one
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: others expected of me. And I think you know what
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: you're saying just then would strike a chord in so
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: many of our listeners because at the end of the day,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: you know, when we take people out and I guess
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: this is what I love to do, and this morning
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I actually did it just before I came on this
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: call is a you know, I've got a leader that
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just about to work with. I'll still trying to
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: decide whether I did or didn't. And so I took
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: him for a walk, you know, walk along the beach,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: just to really get to understand him as an individual,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: not the successes that he's had or the companies that
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: he's growing, but just why he does what he does
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: right his mission vision. But not at the head level,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: but at the heart level. I think this before I
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: go to work with anybody. You know, the first thing
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I do is just go for a walk and talk
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: or just sit in nature and just kind of understand
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: why they're doing it. And look, some leaders don't actually
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: know why they're doing it. They're just doing it for
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: the expectations, right to make more money, because you know,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I have expectations and I need to do this. But
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: for the leaders that have kind of finally worked themselves out,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: or even just the individuals where they do start talking
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: from their heart space and they do understand what makes
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: them tick and why and how. I think this is
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a beautiful starting point because unfortunate, I think Craig life
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: has gotten so busy for most of us that we've
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: kind of forgotten who we really are. And I think,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: you know, the you project that you're working on. The
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: first thing we need to do is actually really understand
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: at a deeper level why we actually do things. And
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: this is why purpose, I think is so important, because
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: you know, the last ten years we've been doing all
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: of these sessions and frameworks all over the world, and
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I'd always start with, hey, let's look at sleep and
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: you know, nutrition and mindset. But what I realized is
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: that if you didn't actually understand the deeper cause and
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: root cause of why you wanted to do something, why
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: you wanted to be the best version of you, then
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: chances are, you know, you're either doing it for the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: wrong reasons or you'll slowly burn out trying to do
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: what you think is right for you. And so at
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the very core of it, you worked out somewhere in
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: your mid thirties who you actually were intrinsically right. So
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: instead of the as external validations, you went hang on
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: a sec I am worthy, I am enough, and now
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I'm actually going to start living for me, not others.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Is that is that right?
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It's a bit of that. All the insecurity stuff was
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: around me ticking boxes for approval from others, right, And
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: it didn't matter how many boxes I ticked. There was
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: never enough approval because the problem wasn't validation or approval.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: The problem was me, right and when, because I always
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: thought I was not enough. You know, even even now
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many thousands and thousands of presentations
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I've done, I still can step up on a stage
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and go or feel you're not good enough. So I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: still have imposter syndrome at sixty one, right, I still
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: like I can intellectually know I will, Craig, You're not
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: bad at this because you've actually done three gigs with
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: this organization. They've paid you to come back because they
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: fucking like you, so don't be a dickhead. Right, So
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: there's that intellectual understanding that can coexist with my fear,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: which is you're actually shit and the last three times
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you were lucky, so giddy, but a cup, today's you've
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: today's your day, you know. So there's learning to be
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: able to recognize the origin story of your feelings and
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: your drivers and your thoughts and your beliefs and to
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: which is so hard to do because the you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the tool which you are analyzing all of this stuff
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: with is literally your own mind. So you're trying to
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: analyze your mind with your mind.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Where it's subjective.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Good luck with that, right, But you know, for me
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: it's it's just been that you know, in a way,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and this sounds a bit cheesy, but for me it's
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: very much true. When I have a purpose that's bigger
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: than me, I'm a much better person. Doesn't mean that
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that I'm not sometimes a selfish deck or whatever, right,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: or I'm not because I'm still that sometimes, but I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: really am, Like there's no bigger critic of me than me.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: So when people go, ah, your fuck this or that,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: which I get every now and then I go, yeah, yep,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I am. I am sometimes I am anyway, So you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: but I think it's that being you know, I think
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: you are this. I think you're a teacher, and you're
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: also a student. And that's me too. I reckon, I'm
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: eighty percent student. Well at the moment, I'm literally I'm
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: literally a student. But you know, being able to navigate
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the world and life and people and relationships and trying
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: to understand that you know who we are beyond who
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: we've been told we are. What tell me about for
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: you that piece of identity, like where do you get
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: your sense of self from yeah.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Mate, this one. This has shaped a lot of what
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I actually do now. So growing up with a house
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: full of boys, five different boys, my nickname is Poco.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: So I'm the smallest in my family, even though I
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: stand at six foot my little brother's six foot seven.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: You know, a very rough, tumbled household. And I was
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: always the meeker, mild one. So I think for me,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I put a mask on very early in my life,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: probably around thirteen, where I kind of hardened up, didn't
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: cry for probably you know, the next decade or so,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and really tried to be one of the boys. And
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I spent the next well fifteen sixteen years trying to
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: probably be tough, be rough and being what I thought
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: a man was. And I think for me, you know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I took up boxing, I never backed down. I did
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: all the things that I thought blokes did. You know.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I tried different jobs. I was a stockman, I you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I was a security guard. I shaped like, I did
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: a million different things trying to be more manly, more blokey.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I built log cabins in Scotland because I thought that's
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: what real men did. And I hid my heart like
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I must admit that a heart for me would only blood,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: you know, only pump blood. And I didn't use it
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to be emotional. I didn't use it to care for others.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I wasn't empathetic. And on the outside, you know, I
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: was always smiling, I was always happy. But I also
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: lost a lot of close relationships because I didn't understand
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the difference between communication and connection. And so it took
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: me a very very long time, you know, up until
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: my early thirties I'm forty three now, to understand what
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: this heart was and what it was useful for. And
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I realized that, mate, it's it is what our life
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: is about, right. And I think sometimes that growing up
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the way I did, that we kind of forget that
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: if you don't know what you don't know, and you know,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: you come across lots of leaders that you know, we
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: had won a couple of weeks ago, you know, he
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: was probably in his early sixties, and we're talking about
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: emotional intelligence and he goes, ah, is this just a
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: whole you know, another psychological safety thing, like this whole
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: emotional stuff. Is it just going to be here one
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: day flashing the pan and gone the next. And I
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: remember being pulled aside by one of his team afterwards,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, look, Timmy, I'm you know, I'm
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: so sorry for that. We're not all, not all of
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: our leaders are that kind of you know, tunnel vision.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And I said, look, I said, that would have been
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: me twelve years ago. And I honestly didn't know the
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: importance of him social intelligence. I honestly didn't know the
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: importance of connected leadership because unless you've been showing that,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: and unless you've felt it yourself, how are you supposed
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: to know? And so I think, for me, mate, this
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: whole journey of mine has been a healing journey and
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: creating frameworks and tools, probably for my own self, you know,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I'll probably saved myself a fortune on psychologists and psychiatrists
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: and everything else, but also to putting into business isn't
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: isn't a great way to save money. So it's an
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: interesting journey and I'm always learning, you know, I never
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: want to be the teacher. I always want to be
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the one listening more and observing more and learning more,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: because only then can we start to actually give back
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: from our own wisdom.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: And your ability to be able to be able to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: build real trust and respect and rapport with people' that's
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: your superpower. You can have all the words, you can have,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: all the knowledge in inverted commas, all the psychobabble, all
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the research, all the science, But if the people that
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you're speaking with don't trust you, don't believe you, don't
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: understand you, then it doesn't matter how great your content
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: is or your knowledge is, because how effective you can
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: be in your job. And the same with me and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: mine is about my ability to be able to create real,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: meaningful trust, respect, connection rapport with humans. You know, I
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: told you before we went live that I did a
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: thing the other day, and I apologize to the listeners.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I've banged on about this a bit, but we just
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: had one. So I spoke all day and there was
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: lots of information, lots of laughs, really good. It was
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: a great day, right, Like I said to you before
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the show, it was like going to Visiting nine eighty five.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: And they laughed at that because they love that, right,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and it's it's so my It's like my happy place,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: right So Miiljira, I could be moving up there pretty
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: soon because I fucking loved it. But anyway, the most
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: powerful thing for the whole day was one of the
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: bosses got up one of the directors, has two directors,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Joe and Robert. And Joe got up to say a
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: few things. We're wrapping up for lunch and we pushed
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: a few buttons in the morning. Right, there's a bit,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a bit of frivolity and fun and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: let's laugh and let's take the piss out of each
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: other if that's appropriate, and let's be a bit silly.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: But what about this? And what about this? And okay,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: all good, but you know, what about this? And so
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: he got up to kind of say thanks, Craig and
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you know this bit, and then he got a bit emotional. Right,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: So here's the boss up in front of the whole group.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: He's shedding a tear or two. I'm hugging him. So
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: here's two blucks blokes up the front in a full
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: fucking man hug not getting a ship, do you know
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: what I mean? But this is this is a little bit. Yeah,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you know, this is a corporate day. And it's like,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I reckon ten people said to me, Yeah, I love
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the day, but I love that that was great and
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: it's like, so it's not about the it's not about
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Craig's brain or the high level research or you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the data or what you know. All that's good, but
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, guess what love, kindness, connection, empty awareness, understanding.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: You know, when people feel like you actually give a
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: fuck about them, and by the way, by the way
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: you actually do, you're not role playing, then a different
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: kind of door opens, right, and it gives you like
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: it's a privilege to be able to connect with people
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: in that way on that level.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: So why are we so worried about feeling then, Craig,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Because I think you know you're right. You and I
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: seem to have a very similar facilitation style where it's
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: head and hard, right, But at the end of the day,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: we want people to, you know, know how they made
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: them feel, because I think for me, you know, feelings
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: wasn't a thing that I understood until ten years ago.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: But now all I want to do is make people
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: feel good. You know, they might remember a little bit
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: of what you say. But I love when people me
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: in because Tommy, I just want you to work with
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: our team because you may feel good, right, But yet
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: when it comes to corporate world, mate, it's like they
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: don't want us to make them feel yet they do
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: right on the top level, at the you know, the
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: US level, it's like, look, no, you know, we've just
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: got to make sure that we stick to the lines.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: You know, don't stray, don't don't get to people too emotional,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: don't do this, don't do that. But then at the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: eye level, right, they love it and they will pull
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: you aside at the end of it and go geez, mate,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I really needed that, you know, I really needed to
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: actually get deep into my heart space and understand who
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I was for a moment, because I kind of lost
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: myself there. And but yet we still make for some reason,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: at this corporate level, are so shit scared of feelings
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: that we kind of almost try and you know, create
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: governance around not feeling anymore. And I understand because we
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: know we need it right and it doesn't matter who
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: you are. Like I was saying before, we just you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: employed a special Forces to come and work for us
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: to sort of roll out our frontline programs. And yet mate,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: it's it's amazing how much he loves to feel and
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: the emotion and what he's trying to make others feel,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: and yet we're still constantly trying to erase it. Out
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: of our culture, and I just I really don't understand it.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a great question and a great point. You know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: for me, I think feelings are much more powerful drivers
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: of behavior than knowledge, like knowledge cool. But there are
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of people who know a lot of shit
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: who don't do anything with it because they're not inspired,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: they don't feel it, or their priority is comfort, not transformation.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: You know, they talk about transformation, but they don't want
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: to do the work. And so you know, we're we
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: are apart from the odd sociopath. But you know, nearly
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: all of us are emotional. And that doesn't mean we're
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: crying every day. That just means we are driven by
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: feelings and emotions and things that arouse passion and curiosity.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: And and I think one of the things I do
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: is probably like yourself. I work with some pretty high
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: level people who make lots of dough, more dough than
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I do, and lots to do, and we kind of
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: go we talk about what is success, what is high performance?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: All that stuff, right, and then we go, okay, so
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: let me ask you a theoretical question. So you're earning
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: a million bucks a year've got a beautiful house, looking
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: at the beach, got a great car, you've even got
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: a great wife and two point three children and a
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: golden retriever and everyone thinks you're ace and you're also
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: in good shape. And does any of that guarantee happiness?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: And the answer is no. The answer is it doesn't
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: guarantee happiness, and maybe it makes it more likely, maybe not.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: But in our culture we h hold up all of
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: these things. This part of my two world theory, right,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: my two world theory in a nutshelle, is we do
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: life in the external world situation, circumstance, environment, jobs, other people, interactions,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: So that's where life happens. But where living happens is
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: in the internal world of thoughts and feelings and excitement
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and joy and desperation and depression and anxiety and you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and goals and intentions and plans and dreams like all that.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: But we are very, very externally focused, like we are
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: so fucking worried about what everyone thinks of our stuff
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and what we've done and what we're doing, and what
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: we look like and what we're wearing. Even for me,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I have to be really careful doing you know, what
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I'm doing with my research, because you go, oh, having
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: a PhDs. Let's really look at me, you know, and
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it doesn't fucking mean anything. Really, It's nice,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: well done maybe if I get there. But so what,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you can be one you can you can have ten
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: PhDs and be a complete dickhead. By the way, you
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: can also be a pain in now as to be around.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: You can also be you know, somebody who is simultaneously
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: intellectually brilliant and also medicative for anxiety and depression. So
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you know, we try to resolve internal stuff with external solutions,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: and it's a very common part of the human experience,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: And has this always been the case?
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Do you think, Craig No, I don't think so. I
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: think we've moved. Look, I'm sure there was always you know,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: hedonism and the drive for instant gratification and the look
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: at me, you know, think right, I think that's always existed.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I think the volume has been turned up without trying
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: to sound like an old man, but with because we
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: have instant access to public audiences. So you know, like
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: on my social media I've got over one hundred thousand
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: people who follow me. I could take a picture of
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: my breakfast, which I wouldn't go. Look what I'm eating
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: and everyone goes, oh, you're amazing, look at what you're eating.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I get instant validation and approval, a bit of dopamine,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I get a bit of a fat head,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: and I get this this reward, this kind of biochemical
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: reward for showing people how fucking amazing I am. Then
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I've got to come back in an hour for another hit.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And then but what I'm interested in is why am
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I doing that? What is that actually about? You know?
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and I think this is you know, for me,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: this is my purpose and probably will be my life
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: work because you know, currently we're measuring austraight as well
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: being right, and we've been doing it for seven years.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I know that the average Australian battery is sixty four percent.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I know what we're struggling with. And I think for me,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: it's how do we change it right? How do we
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: take a society that's just functioning and allow them to
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: actually thrive? And for me, mate, it's it's it's hard
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: because we work with schools, we work with organizations, we
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: work with shy councils. So we have a really good
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: blueprint across you know, so many psychographics and demographics, and
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: yet the one question keeps coming back for me and
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: my team, it's how do we change it? How do
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: we change this loneliness epidemic? How do we change the
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: obesity epidemic? How do we change this? How do we
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: change that? And it's and it's hard because I actually
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: think that we are at this tipping point where now
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: that we have AI, that we're kind of creeping into
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: this point of no return in terms of you know,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: we're living in four walls, we're spectating on screens, you know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: less time outdoors and maximum security prisoners forty three hours
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: of our week on screens outside of work. So we've
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: reached this point where external validation is just it's normal now, right, Craig, Like,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: it's just become the norm. Functioning has just become the norm.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: And our goal is to improve the well being of austraints.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: That's my goal to get it from sixty four percent
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: to seventy five percent. But I tell you what, mate,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: with the board that we have the neuroscientists, a psychologists,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, like we have a really heavy board, is
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: still the fact that behavioral psychology, how the hell do
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: you get people to stop being so externally validated and
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: do things for the self that's intrinsic and lives with
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: integrity and the values of their own heart. And Mate,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: it's a struggle. And I don't know what we're going
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: to have to do at a societal level, because it's
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: not just an individual level. It has to be a
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: cultural change, societal change. That's what I believe anyway. And Mate,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: you're you know, obviously you might have an understanding of
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: all of this and what we can do, but I'm
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: really struggling with it at the moment. Have you got
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: any thoughts.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: On all of this? Oh, such a big question. That's
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: another podcast, isn't it. But so here's what I think,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you and me. We can't in inverted commas make anyone ready,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I can, like I can talk to an
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: audience and one person gets blown away. They so resonate,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: they so connect, light bulbs go on, you know, they're inspired,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: they're motivated, and that person leaves the event that I
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: spoke at. I bump into the me a year later
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: and they say, in the last twelve months, I have reformed,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: of renovated, of revolution. I'm different, my life's different way,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, fucking go you, and they go.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: With you, you.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Are amazing, and I go, no, I am not. I
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: am just a shitkicker from Latro Valley. I go, you're
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: amazing because you did the work. Now, let me tell you,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: if there was two hundred people in that room on
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: that day twelve months ago, with some level of accuracy,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I could predict that probably one hundred and ninety five
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: did fuck all off the back of that. Right Now,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: what you know doesn't matter nearly as much as what
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: you do with what you know, So your ability to
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: be able to operationalize knowledge or inspiration or awareness or
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. Right. But the problem is, or one
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: of the many problems, is that we love instant gratification.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: We love painless, we love certainty, we love familiarity, we
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: love reward without work. Now, it isn't how it happens
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: like for you to be able to learn and grow
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: on and evolve and become more calm, more joyful, more creative, physically, mentally, emotionally,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: socially healthier. These things don't happen in a week. But
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: what does happen almost instantly is if I have a beer,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I feel fucking great. I have two, I feel twice
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: is great for it. Chocolate fuck yeah, if I watch porn.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, We're all about pressing the dopamine button so
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: that ability, ability and willingness to be able to delay
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: gratification for sometimes fucking months. You know, so many It's like,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: this is a silly example, but I think someone can
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: check it's I might be a bit wrong, but it's
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: not far away. The average Australian or the average podcast
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: lasts seven to nine episodes. So people go, I did
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: a Yeah, I did a podcast. It didn't work. You know.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: It's like that, are the market saturated or this or yeah,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: people just didn't appreciate what I was talking about all
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: this stuff, right, I'm like, yeah, so I've done nearly
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: two thousand and the first six hundred episodes I lost money.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Six hundred episodes I lost money. Well, the first six
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: hundred episodes probably cost me one hundred grand, and at
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: about six hundred I partnered with no Over Entertainment down
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: here in Melbourne, and we're now aligned. I'm on the
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: platform they find me, you know, brands and marketing and
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: branding and sponsorship opportunities they come to me with, you know,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and so it's a commercial entity now. But and I'm
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: not saying I'm great. I'm definitely not great, but I'm
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: really good at fucking finishing things. Like not the most talented,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: not the most gifted, not the most creative, not the smartest,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: not the best genetics, But yeah, how long can you
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: just keep fucking working and doing the thing. But the
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: challenge is that people want reward like much quicker than
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: generally it's going to come.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: So you said something before, Craig that I've kind of
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: been working at the same time. So what sits between
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: your potential right is the ability and the willingness. So
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: the willingness is that reason why we want to do something,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Why do you want to do two thousand episodes? Why
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: do you want to get a PhD? And then the
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: ability is the energy right to actually do it. So
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: you kind of need both. You need the why and
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: you need the energy to do it. And I think
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: maybe that's something we're kind of missing in the terms
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: that we don't really talk about that too often. What's
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: your ability, what's your willingness? And how do you actually
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: measure it? And I think obviously, you know, it's hard
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: to teach old dogs new tricks. Although mate, you're you know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: you can actually push against that one. But I think
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: that's something that we're not investigating enough because, like you said,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: instant gratification feels amazing. But five years from now, ten
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: years from now, twenty years from now, where do we
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: end up? So, how do we integrate that willingness and ability? Right,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: if we want to reach that potential, how do we
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: integrate that into our conversations that into a society will
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: change because without that, we're never going to change, right,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: We're just going to keep going deeper and deeper down
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: the rabbit hole.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, good question. I feel like I'm being interviewed now. Good,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: it's good. No, these are great questions. A couple things.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: So what I will say to a group quite often
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: is what are the things that matter to you most?
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: We call those your values, So don't overthink it. And
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: if what matters to you most is money, we'll say money. Like,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: don't tell me what you think sounds good. Tell me
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: in the context of your life, your existence on this
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: planet for eighty or ninety years, and your day to
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: day experience, who you are, how you are, who you
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: want to be. Tell me what is really important to
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: you and Invariably people come up with, you know, physical health, family, love, connection,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: all of these, and then I say, now, let's be
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: brave without any self loathing. Is your life a reflection
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: of those things? Is your current Is your current operating
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: system a reflection of that? If I stood back and
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't talk to you, but I just watched you
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: for a week. As creepy as that sounds, but let's
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: say I could observe you a week in your life,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: would I walk away without even asking you? Would I
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: know what matters to you most? The answer is probably yes,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and it might not have anything to do with what
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: you say your values are. Now, that's not an exercise
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: in self loathing, that's an exercise in self awareness. So
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I think what we need to do is start with
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: that and say, you know, not this week, not this month,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: not even this year, but in the big picture of
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: your eighty ninety hundred year journey on the big blue
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: spinning ball, what the fuck matters right to you? Really? Really?
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: And then once we can get clear about what genuinely
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: are our values, then we recognize that like we'd be
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: brave and we say, well, I'm forty and I still
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: haven't done it. So what's holding me back? You know?
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: And it might be. Look, I get motivated, then I
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: get demotivated. I get inspired, then I get uninspired, and
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: shit happens and life's messy, and da da da, and
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: I go, well, guess what. Life's always going to be messy.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Shit is always going to happen. You are always going
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: to lose motivation. People are always going to be pricks
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: to you. Some people will love you, some people won't.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: That's okay. Life doesn't give a fuck about your feelings
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: or your outcomes or your cape. Life doesn't care, right,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: the only person that can create the life you want
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: is you. So once we get clear, like there's a
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: big gap between knowing what you want to be a
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: non negotiable operating system or a non negotiable behavior and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: that point and then having turned that into a subconscious,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: hardwired into your brain habit, whereas this is just what
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I do. So, for example, I don't smoke, I don't drink.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I've never been drunk, I've never been high. I've never
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: smoked cigarettes ever. Craig no, no. So when people say
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: to me, oh, you're so disciplined and you're so I go,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I promise you I'm not. I just don't drink, smoke,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: or do drugs ever. And so now that's not because
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I'm more resilient or I'm mentally tougher, or it's none
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: of that. It's literally this is hardwired in my brain.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: So it requires zero self control or discipline for me
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: to be able to not drink, not smoke, not use drugs. Right,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: it would actually be harder for me to use something
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: than not use. Then you go, okay, so what else
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: needs to be something that's just part of your normal
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: operating system. Maybe it's that you walk ten thousand steps
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: a day. Maybe it's that you spend one hour minimum
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: per day with your kids, not with a phone, not
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: with a telling whatever it is. Right now, the space
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: between having this insight into what you want to turn
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: into a normal part of your daily operating system, that's
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: the tricky bit, because we lose motivation and we lose excitement,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: and we lose momentum. So that's where we need structure,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: process accountability. I go, cool, what's your plan? I go,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: because what you're talking to me about, that's an idea,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: that's an intention, that's an aspiration. Right, there's no fucking
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: plan in that so create the plan, execute the plan,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: create an accountability process, get an accountability partner, because it
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: could be three days from now you're like our fuck it,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and it's your ability to be able to get through
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: those fucket moments that quite often makes the difference.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: So it was interesting when you were talking about stalking
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: someone for a week and you know, knowing what they value.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: And I was thinking the other day about you know,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I was looking at a leader's schedule, right, because we
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: looked at you know, what do you value if family
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: was number one? And I said, look, shade in how
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: much do you feel you're actually living that value? I
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: think they shaded it up to forty percent. Right. So
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: then we said, okay, well let's let's look at a
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: typical week. His week had so little time for reconnecting
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: to his loved ones, right that you could typically see
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: what he valued most or what he was putting first. Right, Yes,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: And so I'm thinking, and this has been interesting for
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: me this last couple of weeks. You know, we were
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: doing this whole book launch thing. We're measured, you know,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: we're trying to get on TV to measure astraight as
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: well being live in sixty seconds and Mate, I'm typically really,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: really good at creating a life that supports me by
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: really blocking out the calendar, making sure I've got plenty
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: of time for my family, for my kids, for friends,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: because I know that's what I need to thrive sustainably.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: But yet, Mate, the last two weeks has been interesting
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: because there has been a lot of things that we're
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: trying to take advantage of, right because you write a book,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: you're trying to do all that sort of stuff. But
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: this morning, Mate, I really I kicked myself up the yars,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: and I felt fucking terrible because you know, I had
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: lots of different things going on all before six am,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: and I walk in the door to the house and
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: my wife's there, my two kids, Sonny and Frankie four
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: and two, and Mate, I would typically just I would
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: forget everything right, I would drop everything. The brain would
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: just go free and my heart space would open up
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: and I would just spend the next thirty minutes, Mate,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: just love and joy, right, lots of hugs, lots of kisses,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: playing leopards with my four year old, playing barbies with
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: my two year old, whatever it is. And yet right
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: now I find that I'm busy, and I don't like
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: being busy. And what's happening is that business is creeping
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: into my personal life space and I can feel the
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: disconnection that happened this morning with my wife, with my kids,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I just got to go for
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: a walk, babe. So I took the labrador, like you said,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: you know, two and a half, two point three kids, labrador,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: all the things. Took the labrador. I went for a walk.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: And I reflected on I really don't like this feeling.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: I don't like this feeling of being so busy that
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I'm becoming disconnected from the people that I'm doing all
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: this for. And I think maybe the moments that we
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: are doing this and we don't take time to reflect
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: that we stay in the business, this is where that
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: disconnection creeps in. And so what I did, Mate is
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I had, you know, I had a busy end of
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: week and I thought, no, fuck it, I'm just going
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: to cancel everything. And I've literally booked three days away
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: to go camping at Mini Waters, just my family and
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I just getting back to being grounded. And I was like,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: I just I need that's this is what we need
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: for me, for my family. But the thing is when
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: if you're financially constrained, right, if you're living beyond your means,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: it's very hard to do that. Now I'm lucky because
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: you know, I had a mentor of mind that always said,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: timmy live well within your means. And so I buy
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: a house that I can easily afford. I bought a
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: car that I can easily afford. So when COVID happens
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: or shit happens, it's okay, you know, I've covered my ass.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: But if you go beyond that, if you actually you know,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: push the limits of that, you don't have that time
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: to actually just cancel and actually reconnect, right, because you're
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: so busy trying to pay everything back. And I think
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: this is this might be part of the problem, Craig,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: is that we've kind of put ourselves in this position
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: where we've actually bought things and not time, and so
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: now we don't actually have the time to reconnect to
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: the things that we really need to which we value.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: And so therefore we say these things that what we value,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: but our actions don't actually imply that we do.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oneberent agree, and that is Look, I mean, what
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: is great about what you just said? Well, many things,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: but one is so you had a moment of self awareness.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: That's good, Like that's what good people do. It's like
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: you go, oh, I'm living a bit out of alignment
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: or I'm not walking my own talk, and that's cool.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna beat myself up. There's no self loathing,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: but there's awareness in that. And so what will I do?
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: And so you having three days away? You know, and
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: you like, you're a smart guy. You're knowledgeable your experience,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: you're charismatic, you know how to do all the shit.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: But you're still a fuck up. You're still he's still
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: just a You're still just another bear bum in the shower.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: As one of my mates who is in prison, he
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: always goes, you're just another bear bum in the shower.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: You know, It's just that's what he says. You're just
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: a fucking human. Like he's he makes me look like
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I'm polished and sophisticated. Shout out to shout out to Mike.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: All but I'll be careful of bumps to the wall.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: We mix on the troll, well not so much. That
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: just just like as hard as a cat's head. And
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: you know, but he has his own wisdom and philosophy
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: that is like, yeah, well, you doesn't matter what your
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: earn own drive look like. You just a fu and human.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Don't get ahead of yourself. You're not better or worse,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: you know? And I think that, yeah, that that you know,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: that willingness to be able to go okay, and that
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: emotional intelligence to be able to recognize what you're doing
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: and what you're not doing and then adjust in real time.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: It's bloody amazing. Hey mate, we're going to wind up,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: but tell us about your book. It's called Energized, Energized, Energized, Energized, energized,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: that's what it says.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of bloody title, like.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Fuck, not that original. You just said, Hey, let's use
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: the same word five times.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: That was bloenty wily, so you can have them for it.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: That's all right. So the book is called Energized Science
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Bake science based book forms part of the Great Reconnect
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: campaign checking the emotional and cultural pulse of Australian real time.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: I love that book. Release the lines with national wellness
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: moments including are you Okay? And it came out when
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: August twenty seven? Is that a few days a few
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: days ago?
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Ago? Mate? Yeah, I saw it. I saw it in
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: one of the airport bookstores, made as I was strolling through,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: So that was a nice proud moment, mate. I don't
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: take many moments to be proud, but I think this
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: book is one of those life proud moments. It's took
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: me eight years to write the bloody thing between COVID
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: two kids, but look, it's it's practical, mate, I'm a
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: practical guy, and it's simple things and it's you know,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: it's been part of my journey, but part of the
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: journey that we've created to help others and yeah, hopefully
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: make people get inspiration from reading and hopefully it helps
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: them want to be a better version of themselves. And
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: that's all you can hope for, right.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: And done, well done, mate. Writing a book is not easy.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Getting it published is not easy understanding like, is this
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: your first book?
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: It is? Mate, Yes?
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so isn't it funny what you know now about
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: about production and distribution and publishing and margins and fucking
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: you know, It's like I've written a few and yeah
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: at the start, you're like, I'm just going to write
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: a book and then get it published. It's like, Bah,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: you're not, You're not, You're not just going to do that.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: I probably would have just left it sitting on a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: dusty shelf as it was made and not published, the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: bloody thing if I knew much work was involved in it.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: But look, it's a book out there now, mate, that
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: hopefully will move the needle. So let's let's see what
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: it can do.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Well, Mate, you're great, You're doing great things. I appreciate you.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: You're charismatic, and you're a great communicator and you give
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: a fuck, which is beautiful. Tim Jack Adams Energized is
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: the name of the book. Go buy seventy two copies.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: What's the founder of greenex seven of course, So mate,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: we appreciate you. Thanks for having a chat.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Thanks for that amazing conversation, mate, I learned a lot,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Thanks buddy,