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Too big to move · Journey to the Fringe

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From the unexplained to the mundane, come join
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us on a Journey to the Fringe. Hello and welcome
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to Journey to the Fringe, your nonjudgmental
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podcast host. Taylor and Chelsea are here today
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doing a Taylor episode mostly about well it's
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gonna be about UFOs for the most part but I don't
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want to give too much away early on because there's
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a fun story here that we need to go about that
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goes through the lore that we have touched on
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for years. So I'm very scared of this actually
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now that you framed it this way to me that that's
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good You should always be afraid just a general
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rule for life be constantly confused and afraid
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I am both of those and also slightly buzz so
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that you can just comment on things It's so funny
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that you say that because I am all the time.
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What a weird coincidence. We are not a health
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podcast. We are not a psychological podcast.
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We are a fringe topic podcast. Always remember
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that about us. We are connected to you. It's
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what it turns out to be. What a strange turn
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of events. Anyhow, Chelsea, have you ever heard
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of a UFO that was found that was too big to move?
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No, I maybe no, I think maybe I might have. I
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don't know. Now I'm confused and afraid. and
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more confused. I can't remember. Well, let me
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at least ease your gentle, simple, slightly drunken
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mind with the story of the UFO that was too big
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to move. OK, let's hear about it. There's been
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a lot of talk of it in the last, I would say,
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three years. But the idea of a crash landed UFO
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that was too big to move goes back to the late
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1980s. It's not recent, like you may have suggested.
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The part we're going to be talking about is recent.
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But guess what, Chelsea? back to John Lear oh
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the confusions baked in with John Lear okay oh
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it always is because he didn't know if he was
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coming or going okay I love to be confused first
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and then probably less maybe same confused at
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the end no John Lear is on record as early as
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March of 1988 is saying the following this comes
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from anthology of UFO documents from the time
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written by Valdemar Valerian in his book catalog
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called The Matrix but this is quote from John
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Lear. Thousands of sightings occurred during
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the Korean War and several more saucers were
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retrieved by the Air Force. Some were stored
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at Ray Patterson Air Force Base. Some were stored
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at Air Force bases near the location of the crash
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site. One saucer was was so enormous and the
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logistic problems in transportation so enormous
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that it was buried at the crash site and remains
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there today. I think I've heard of it. The stories
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are legendary on transporting crash saucers over
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long distances, moving only at night, purchasing
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complete farms, slashing through forests, blocking
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major highways, sometimes driving two and three
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low boys in tandem with an extraterrestrial load
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100 feet in diameter. That's the original quote
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on a UFO too big to move as far back as I can
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find it You know, I like read things of UFO sightings
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where the UFOs are like football fields big Yeah,
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I can't get behind what John of course so go
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save that thing crash It would be easier to bury
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it than to move it to a place that absolutely
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if it's like a football field wide Yeah, absolutely
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probably just bury that thing outside of Valdemar
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Valerian John Lear weirdly enough is the only
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person that talks about this and even then Valdemar
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is only talking about it because John Lear said
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anything Valdemar. I've never heard of this guy
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before, but he has a book series about it where
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he anthologizes UFO lore from the time. So that's
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where this is kind of documented. Interesting.
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OK. But from like 2006 to 2010, John Lear is
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really active on a UFO forum called Above Top
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Secret where he really keeps this thing going.
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And unfortunately, none of his posts on there
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exist anymore because he got kicked off. So they
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just deleted? They deleted everything and it's
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not yeah and it's not on the way back machine
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because it got deleted and blocked so I can't
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see what's on there but from what I understand
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from the lore of it he continued this idea of
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a UFO too big to move in there as well. He talked
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about a ton of other things, but it's important
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that that's one of the things he talked about.
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As an aside, we really needed John Lear. No,
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we haven't done it yet. I did a John Lear episode.
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I might have in fact done two. It's so funny
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that you say that because right before we started
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recording these episodes, you'll never know how
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many. It could be five. I was talking about how
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we've been recording for so long that I can't
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remember. Yeah, this is season six. I think we're
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at about 300 episodes at this point. I have a
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vague catalog in my mind. It's kind of vague
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because I remember some stuff very vividly because
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I've learned some very good things along the
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way, but I've also forgot some very good things
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along the way, such as John Lear, apparently,
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as well as John Keel. I'm forgetting all the
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John's. There's at least three more John's that
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we did, John. How many more John's did I forget?
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Teeter was a John, right? Yeah, I forgot about
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him, too. Okay, well, let's... Okay, John Lear
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eventually doesn't end up being the only one
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talking about this, and now we have to talk about
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a guy named Ross Coulthard. Have you heard of
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him before, Chelsea? No, this guy's gonna be
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an interesting one and I want to keep a tab on
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him as well as the group that he's Associated
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with which I think will have to have his own
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episode at some point like this is 2023 We're
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talking about he ends up talking about this before
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he got into this world He spent decades as an
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Australian journalist who actually won several
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awards He did some really interesting work for
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like 60 minutes, Australia He grew up between
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Australia and New Zealand, studied law at Victoria
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University of Wellington and jumped straight
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into journalism at the New Zealand Herald in
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the early 1980s. By the end of that decade, he'd
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already made waves on Australian TV. One of his
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first big stories exposed bribery involving Queensland
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power broker Sir Leslie Teese and Premier Joe
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Bielke -Peterson. That investigation earned him
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a Penguin Award and set the tone for the rest
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of his career. In the 1990s, Coulthart joined
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ABC, Australian Broadcasting Corporation's Four
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Corners, where he dug into corruption in Australia's
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professional football, work that helped trigger
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an actual royal commission. And he also broke
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a major story claiming the Australian Secret
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Intelligence Services were secretly holding tens
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of thousands of files on ordinary citizens. The
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government took it seriously enough to order
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a full review of the agency. Whether every detail
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of his reporting held up or not, the impact was
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real and Colthor was a journalist who could shake
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institutions. And then came Sunday, the program
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where he did some of his most decorated work.
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He investigated CARE, Australia's handling of
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aid money, which exposed corruption in Aboriginal
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legal services, and teamed up with filmmaker
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Max Dahl to identify East war crime perpetrators
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who had slipped through the cracks. That story
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won a gold medal at the New York Film Festival.
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He also tackled organized crime, outlaw motorcycle
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gangs, and medical malpractice. Basically any
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kind of story that requires a reporter willing
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to push into uncomfortable territory. He eventually
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moved to 60 Minutes, stayed there until 2018,
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and then stepped out of journalism for a bit.
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And he went to work for a PR firm, which included
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former soldier Ben Robert Smith, who was later
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found by a federal court to have committed war
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crimes. Weird aside there, but it didn't last
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long. And in 2020, He came back into journalism
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and he surprised everyone. He joins on with News
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Nation and he goes all in on UFOs. So in 2021
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he produced the UFO phenomenon for 7 News, a
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special built around military witnesses and government
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insiders. That same year he published in plain
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sight a book arguing that UFOs represent a real
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intelligence problem. Critics said he seemed
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a little too ready to believe, but the book made
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him a cult figure in American UFO circles. He
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leaned into it, launching the Need to Know podcast
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with Bryce Zabel, positioning himself as one
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of the loudest voices in the modern UAP conversation.
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Then, in 2023, he becomes the groundbreaking
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NewsNation interviewer David Grusk. During that
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time, Gruss claimed that the US government has
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secret crash retrieval programs, non -human crafts,
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and recovered bodies. Coulthart didn't just report
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the allegations, he amplified them and he said
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on air, that some recovered crafts are too big
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to move. That line became a lightning rod, and
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it revived a decades old claim from John Lear's
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1988 statement about a saucer so enormous that
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it had to be buried at the crash site. And once
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Quilthart said it, the idea took off again. Tabloids
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ran with it. Social media ran with it. And it
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kind of took off. Now I'm just going to play
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this video for you, Chelsea. I'm going to...
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I just have to say how funny it is that we never
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say David Grush, Grush, Grush, Grush. Oh, we
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disagree on how to say it. Yes. Oh, we never
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say it the same, I think. I always say Grus,
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you say Grush. Grus, Grush, Grush. There's so
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many ways that you could say it. OK, I'm waiting
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for the... In part, the amendment that Mr. Gallagher
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has put up, which is essentially saying... No
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funds authorised to be appropriated by the National
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Defence Authorisation Act for fiscal year 24
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may be obligated or expended directly or indirectly
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in part or in whole to conduct or support any
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activity relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena
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that is controlled under a classified program
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that has not been formally, officially, explicitly
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and specifically described, explained. and justified
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to the appropriate congressional committees,
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congressional leadership. It's pretty amazing,
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this stuff. And I mean, I've forgotten where
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it is, but you know, Dean Douglas Dean Johnson's
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written it up the best where he writes about
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how the new Senate Intelligence Bill that Kirsten
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Gallagher is pushing. It gives holders of non
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-Earth origin or exotic UAP material. I'm sorry,
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I don't like this space. I just need to compare
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this at this moment. You know, the last one I
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commented on who was on a podcast and had their
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webcam showing their background was Stephen Greer.
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Look how well put together Ross's background
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is. A little more. It has all his degrees and
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awards and it looks like he's doing work back
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there. I could assume it might not be that just
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looking at what they might be, but you would
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assume their degrees and shit back there. I don't
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think they are based on what I'm looking at.
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He does not have headphones coming down his neck.
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No, it's not just like a fireplace thing. It's
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not like he got asked at the last minute and
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he couldn't find anything to put in his ears.
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I don't know, but I find his look creepy. Oh
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yeah, he's very snake -like. Sneakly. Yep. Anyhow
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Ross doesn't that just give them six months or
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more to hide their shit Okay People are gonna
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question what I'm about to say What if some of
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that shit is so big it can't be moved? Is that
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what you're saying Ross? Is that what you've
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been? That's exactly what I'm saying. How big
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is big? big So big they built a building over
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it in a country outside of the United States
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of America I know that sounds preposterous and
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I know, oh my god, you can just hear them now,
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the bleating debunkers. Let's see this investigated.
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Let's just see what happens. Let's test these
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allegations before the Congress. It's very, very
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easy for people to go, oh, there's no evidence.
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Oh my goodness me. Let's just go away and ignore
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it. Let's test it. We haven't even got there
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yet. So did David Grish see this? David Gruss
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did not say it. He is alluding to the fact that
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he is associated with David Gruss but David Gruss
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didn't say it and you'll also notice so far Chelsea
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we are what 15 minutes into this episode I have
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not mentioned anywhere that this could possibly
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have happened No, you didn't and he's still saying
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that okay. Okay, you close the stream No, because
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that's all you need to see from that Okay, I'm
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not sure what to make of that, to be honest with
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you. Fuck this community, man. Like, why are
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they like this? I find Ross a very interesting
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character just because he has an actual investigative
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journalist background and then he's come to this.
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and he gets critiqued to hell because he refuses
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to really give evidence or specific assertions
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at this point and is very clear like this is
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how this community works but like before like
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he was very clear in his assertions i hate to
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say what i'm about to say and that is about to
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come out of my mouth isn't linda moten hell the
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same She started out as a legitimate journalist.
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I wouldn't say legitimate She started out with
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the cattle mutilations documentary. Did she do
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anything for that? Before that as a legitimate
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journalist. Well, and I will say George Knapp
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I know used to be a like a mob journalist Like
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he cut his teeth with that Linda Moulton Howell
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before George Knapp we need to do I was afraid
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to do Linda Moulton Howell before for the same
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reason that you know I didn't want to look at
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Serpo because I love Serpo because it's a fun
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story Linda gives me some good fun stories that
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I didn't want to look at Linda the more that
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I've heard of her seems the more like we're gonna
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get some juicy like five part episodes from oh
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god yeah I know but I I do think Linda Moulton
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Howe started out as a legitimate journalist as
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well as George Knapp. I don't want any implications
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with George Knapp. Don't even say it. But Linda
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Moulton Howe? Same. I'm thinking is what is up
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with her. And apparently she was at one time
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looked at as a good journalist. And now she just
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takes anyone and it doesn't matter what the fuck
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she does. She just needs a good story. Yeah.
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Just needs someone to be saying something about
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aliens and it doesn't matter whether they're
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legitimate or not, but it seems to be potentially
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the same with this guy, except I know more about
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Linda Moulton Howe. And at this time, many theories
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start to arise, like the Internet goes wild with
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multiple ideas of what he's talking about. And
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they settle on several areas that they think
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that he's talking about, like Siberia, several
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areas around military bases in the US. But the
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biggest one that gets talked about is South Korea.
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I did hear that in the YouTube video, so hopefully
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you get it up here. I also need it noted here
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that if you don't hear the YouTube video, this
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guy looks like a fucking snake. No upper lip.
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His nose goes right into the no upper lip. If
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he goes to Hogwarts, he's going to be in Slytherin,
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like guaranteed. And you're going to hear it
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in the YouTube video if it's uploaded here. But
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another thing that I love, love, and hate about
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the UFO community, but also love when they reject
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it and we see a lot of it. I love doing what
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we do. I love it when they play off each other.
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And you're going to keep seeing it, Chelsea.
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I love that this guy is like - And that's why
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Cory Goode is such a bad actor. That is why Cory
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Goode is so hated within this group. And I fucking
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love it. He will not let you play off him. I
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fucking love that. He will ask for the idea but
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you cannot take from that. I fucking love it.
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I live for that. Journey to the fringe here.
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We love that. We love it when they don't play
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nice and when they don't want to share their
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ideas with other people. More than when they
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like to play off each other. I love it. Playing
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off each other is Stephen Greer and Alex Jones,
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unfortunately. Playing badly is Corey Good and
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David Wilcock. And Richard Doty, honestly. Okay,
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I gotta say. I think David Wilcock was brought
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into it by accident. I really think it was accident.
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Corey Goode, I think that it was totally on purpose.
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He doesn't want to play nice. He doesn't want
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to share his ideas with other people. And he
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wanted to copyright that shit so people couldn't
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say, yeah, Blue Avian's this. He was like, fuck
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you, bitch. You can't say Blue Avian. I love
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it. But I love it when they play nice and they
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like will actually play off each like that's
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the best like it just gives me a warm feeling
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in my like her stomach area or something. I don't
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know. I don't think David Wilcock liked it. Oh,
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no, he hated being on the bad side of people.
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And that's the hilarious thing about David Wilcock.
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He liked to play both sides, but not suffer the
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repercussions. Anyhow, rest in peace, David Wilcock.
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I'm sure you're with the blue aliens as we speak.
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As a quick aside, I did watch a David Wilcock
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video this weekend because I miss watching his
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live so much. As a sad aside, anyhow, good luck.
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It actually makes you really sad that he wasn't
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taken out by one of the bears that he kept trying
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to feed. I know. Like, I just - That's where
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he wanted to go. I know. I know. Ah. Fuck that
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stuff. Okay. Yeah, let's not talk about it. It's
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just such a sad thing for a life. Anyhow. Coulter
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has suffered some criticism since he's made this
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move to the UFO community because like he went
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from zero to a hundred fast Yeah, that is a zero
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to ABC who he used to work for the media watcher
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challenged the evidence behind his claims and
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Australian skeptics gave him the Bent Spoon Award
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for uncritical journalism But News Nation hired
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him anyway as a special project correspondent
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and he produced a JFK assassination special and
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kept chasing UAP stories in In 2005, he interviewed
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former intelligence operative Jake Barber who
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claimed first -hand involvement in non -human
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technology retrievals, another allegation that
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hasn't been verified but keeps Coulthart in the
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middle of the conversation. To date, Coulthart
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sits in a strange but fascinating place, veteran
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investigative journalist with a long track record
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of exposing hidden systems but applying that
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same energy to UFOs. Where you think he's onto
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something or chasing shadows, with his too big
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to move remark has become one of the defining
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lines of modern UFO lore for him and a bridge
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between old crash retrieval mythology and the
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new wave of whistleblowers, political interests
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and global speculation. That's so weird. And
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you said he interviewed David Grush. He was the
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first. The first. Yeah. I wonder why. Because
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he worked for News Nation at the time. And I've
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actually realized I think I need to do an episode
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on News Nation because I was getting them mixed
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up with Newsmax because they're weirdly, they
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don't consider themselves right wing. They are
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right wing. But they also do the paranormal stuff.
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like on a routine basis, so I need to look into
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that. Oh, that's interesting that they're right
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wing. They don't think they are though, so I
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need to look into this whole thing. Okay, I'm
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putting it on the list as we speak. Okay. This
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is very, so do you think it's just because he...
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at that time had an interest in UFOs? I don't
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know because he went from working for a PR group
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to News Nation so I don't know what happened
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there to spur him from like critical reporter
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to a PR firm to UFOs. Interesting. Don't know
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what happened there. That is a very weird, I
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don't even know what to say about it. Yeah. I
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don't know what to say about it. And like he
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went from governments would investigate what
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he was investigating prior to the PR jump to
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I have no evidence for this. You just have to
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believe me on it. So weird. Yeah. And we just
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and it's funny because we just had News Nation
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come up with the the Las Vegas alien. I know.
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Very interesting. Okay. I'm just gonna leave
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it at that for now let's leave it at very interesting
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for this part and I'm putting it onto the list
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right now so from there Chelsea is my next clip
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which is a senator from the US Eric Burleson
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Okay, this is Eric Burleson congressman reportedly
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an object that is not in this country that is
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so large It cannot be moved that they've built
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an entire building around it And I think that
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another individual has actually mentioned this
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site But i'm not going to mention it because
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it is a classified location But there's reported
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a really large object and and that's one of the
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locations that i'm requesting So eric burleson
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is the next one who starts talking about this
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He is like literally in the us government, which
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is wild Yeah, like it's not often generally this
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should not occur that the next person that talks
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about a UFO Situation is somebody in the US government.
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Yeah, and this is Representative Eric Burleson
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says that there's a facility that's guarded like
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it's some kind of commodity Adding that quote
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you have committees that protest their turf and
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quote the lawmaker acknowledged that he has no
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firsthand proof Which is the weird thing about
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it here? Saying the information comes from accounts
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he has heard from government and non -government
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sources, quote, I'm not going to mention the
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country because I heard of it inside of a closed
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setting and I want to protect my classification
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level, end quote Burleson said. He adds that
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the object is, quote, not in the facility that's
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been widely reported in the news, end quote,
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pushing back on speculation about its location.
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Burleson also said he has struggled to access
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UAP -related sites even near his office in Washington
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DC, calling attempts to visit foreign facilities,
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quote, somewhat instrumental. But it doesn't
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mean that I'm not going to continue to try,"
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he said. He blamed congressional bureaucracy
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for blocking oversight, saying committees, quote,
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love turning each other down, end quote, when
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jurisdiction overlaps. Burleson made the comments
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during an interview on Newsmax Finnerty, where
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he discussed his efforts to gain access to classified
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UAP programs and sites. He said navigating the
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congressional system is difficult, describing,
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quote, the very nature of the difficulty of the
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red tape system within the bureaucracy of Congress.
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I do love that he like literally said I will
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still protect national security if it's like
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a national security thing well of course i would
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expect him to say that on national tv really
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no i wouldn't but i expect him to say and that's
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that whole thing like it gives him an out to
23:59
never say anything in that like oh yeah it's
24:01
national security it's almost like when steven
24:03
greer was saying like i will release all my files
24:06
and sorry this is in the wake of we're past the
24:09
60 days steven greer had I was just gonna say,
24:13
oh, by the way, Steven Grahamsen said shit. But
24:17
he does have a press conference that has since
24:20
passed. It's September 7th, the day we're recording
24:23
this. And importantly, Chelsea, remember, he
24:26
gave himself an out. If it ends up being something
24:28
that would challenge national security or something
24:31
like that, he wouldn't release it. But as of
24:34
September 7th, we've heard nothing. If you've
24:37
heard something past September 7th, then that's
24:39
not our problem. We're absolved. Social media
24:42
users suggested the site could be Yangju, Gyeonggi
24:47
province, which is home to a circular structure.
24:50
That's in South Korea. This location has gained
24:52
notoriety in the UFO UAP community as the alleged
24:55
Colthort UFO UAP site based on claims popularized
24:59
by investigative journalist Ross Colthort. That
25:02
area is rumored to house a massive crashed or
25:05
landed extraterrestrial craft that was reportedly
25:08
too large to transport leading to a building
25:11
or structure being constructed around it for
25:13
concealment. However, South Korean UFO researchers
25:16
who visited similar sites have disputed these
25:19
claims stating that the facility dates back to
25:21
the 1970s and has no connection to UFOs with
25:23
multiple comparable aviation installations existing
25:27
around the country. Burleson, who has become
25:30
a household name in the UAP world, revealed earlier
25:32
this month that he had requested and was granted
25:35
access to secure locations such as Area 51 which
25:38
have decades -old ties to UFOs. Speaking to ALM
25:41
Podcast, Burleson said that the requests to President
25:44
Donald Trump and his staff included visiting
25:46
U .S. military bases and facilities where evidence
25:49
suggested unidentified crafts, materials, bodies
25:52
or archives allegedly existed. Although the U
25:55
.S. government and the Pentagon have visually
25:57
denied that they there have been any physical
25:59
evidence of UFOs or alien life ever recovered,
26:02
Congress has heard from multiple whistleblowers
26:04
claiming that the secret programs have covered
26:07
up the truth. In fact, Burleson has previously
26:09
claimed President Trump has been fully briefed
26:11
on the existence of aliens, UFOs recovered by
26:14
the military since the 1940s and alien -human
26:18
hybrids allegedly live on Earth. Which I think
26:20
Chelsea and I are both in agreement. Trump wouldn't
26:23
be able to shut the hell up about any of this
26:25
if he had known about it. The guy cannot keep
26:31
a secret like as soon as he knows something and
26:34
he thinks he's smarter than everybody else what
26:37
he released about the UFO files. Like it has
26:41
come out during his administration. He did release
26:45
it and there was a lot of AI generated shit in
26:49
that release with just like, it was not good.
26:53
Plus Stephen Greer waiting. It's like a week
26:56
past what you said for your deadline or you were
26:59
going to release something and still waiting
27:02
for that Stephen Greer. And I had something to
27:05
say about what this guy is. But I can't remember
27:08
what it is at this point. I just need to add
27:10
at this point I've talked about three people
27:12
the two people in like modern era who are still
27:14
alive who have talked about this Neither of them
27:17
have mentioned South Korea. Do you want to make
27:19
a guess how we get the South Korea connection?
27:21
I'm not sure do you want to make a guess about
27:23
whose face you're about to see? It is not Kim
27:27
Jong -un is it oh you are not ready for this
27:30
face Chelsea But it is very apt right now. No!
27:38
This is not the base I wanted to see right now.
27:44
Who's that guy? And he was also dealt with a
28:05
facility outside Seoul, South Korea, where there
28:08
was a huge extraterrestrial vehicle that they
28:10
had downed with apparently some type of electronic
28:13
warfare system. This is where it came from? Are
28:14
you serious? This is the first person to actually
28:17
say it was in Korea. just to contain this object.
28:21
Right here. I knew I heard it somewhere. And
28:24
this is definitely where I fucking heard this
28:26
bullshit. Ugh, this is so infuriating. So this
28:31
is the facility they're talking about right here.
28:34
Just so, like, keep pausing on it. I have seen
28:37
this from Stephen Greer. Yes. Just to be clear,
28:42
this is a structure that is clearly a structure
28:46
in Korea. It's not clearly a UFO. Yeah, we'll
28:52
talk about it. And thankfully, that video was
28:56
cut succinctly because you know Stephen Greer
28:59
went on for 20 more minutes after he said, and
29:02
that's all I'm going to say about that. Stephen
29:04
Greer is the first one to pick up on what they're
29:07
talking about on the internet and put down that
29:10
yes, this too big to move UFO is in fact in South
29:13
Korea. If this was way too much to comprehend,
29:16
what he has to say about the facility outside
29:18
South Korea will absolutely blow your mind. In
29:20
a video, he talks to Stephen Greer. Sorry. I
29:24
haven't actually said it yet. So Stephen Greer
29:27
is the one who actually makes this connection.
29:38
He talks about an alleged invisible technology
29:42
and warfare satellite system and other underground
29:44
facilities which aren't known to the public and
29:46
are used in discretion to conduct supposed projects
29:49
related to UFOs and UAPs. After naming two alleged
29:51
underground centers located underneath office
29:54
buildings in the United States, one in North
29:56
Carolina and Orange County, California, he claims
29:59
that facility allegedly located outside Seoul,
30:01
South Korea, is currently housing a huge UFO
30:03
that was too big to move. He described it as
30:06
an quote extra -threshold Now, South Korea's
30:37
authorities Chelsea you saw the facility and
30:40
I'm gonna post up in our episode description
30:44
this facility's location so people can see it.
30:47
South Korea says it's a government complex but
30:49
it's it it's a weird shape I guess for where
30:52
it is. It's in the like a middle of a mountain
30:54
like they did have to carve out part of a mountain
30:56
to build it. Okay. I mean that's more insight
31:01
than I thought I needed just looking at it. It's
31:04
just simply a circle type building. Yeah and
31:07
Chelsea I'll send this to you in the general
31:09
chat just so you can see where it is. It's going
31:12
to be the green triangle shaped thing there that
31:15
you can go zoom in on. Oh yeah okay I get what
31:19
you're saying. It looks like a uterus. Yeah yeah
31:22
that kind of thing. The object itself is circle,
31:26
but there's no the legend didn't know that they
31:29
use for it. Yeah Just so we're clear to everyone
31:33
listen Now this huge concrete circle has a diameter
31:36
of 82 meters and is marked on the maps as an
31:39
army facility next to the building of the government
31:41
office I'm gonna start reading an article that's
31:44
going to argue that this is a crash UFO location
31:49
The question of a UAP crash retrieval has expanded
31:52
beyond speculation as policymakers, journalists,
31:55
and researchers scrutinize whether physical infrastructure
31:58
may corroborate longstanding claims. Central
32:00
thread in this debate is the allegation that
32:02
a craft was so large that it could not be moved
32:04
and was instead enclosed by a purpose -built
32:06
structure. Attention has converged on a site
32:09
near Anyang, South Korea. where geography, engineering
32:12
features, and military adjacency appear to match
32:16
a theoretical profile, yet none of these elements
32:19
on their own constitute proof. At the center
32:21
of current scrutiny is a circular disc -like
32:24
radio receiving facility set into a mountainside
32:27
near Anyang. Unlike elevated platforms typical
32:30
of similar installations, the structure appears
32:32
to be built into a flattened, reinforced terrace
32:35
with a retaining wall suggesting atypical earthworks.
32:38
Adjacent military indicators and arm Army labeled
32:41
structure on one side and a base with a helicopter
32:44
landing pad on the other underscore add that
32:46
access and activity in the immediate vicinity
32:48
are likely controlled. Observers estimate the
32:51
disc -shaped footprint to be roughly 150 meters
32:54
across, making it conspicuous landmark once identified
32:57
on satellite imagery. Subterranean logistics
32:59
for a second pillar of interest. The surrounding
33:02
hills are threaded by roads and metro tunnels,
33:06
creating plausible cover for sustained material
33:09
movement if significant underground work had
33:11
to have been undertaken. Historical references
33:14
amplify the subterranean theme. Yuri Geller's
33:17
1970s era photograph and rock core labeled third
33:20
tunnel reflect a period of intensive tunneling
33:23
in the region while invocation of remote viewing
33:26
and psychic programs belong to a more speculative
33:29
chapter of Cold War research history and documented
33:33
prevalence of tunnels is uncontested tactically
33:36
relevant. And Chelsea I sent you a text when
33:38
I I was listening to this guy on a podcast. He
33:41
takes Yuri Geller seriously. No. He takes Steven
33:44
Greer seriously. You know what the funniest thing
33:45
is? What I'm looking at in our chat where I clicked
33:48
on the thing for Steven Greer is a picture of
33:51
him. Yeah, he's right up there with the spoons.
33:53
Like half smiling at me. Yeah. But the thing
33:58
that strikes me the most about this, and I'm
34:01
looking at the satellite photo of this, is just
34:04
that it's like a circular weird thing in the
34:07
mountains. So if you were just looking at a map,
34:11
looking at a circular thing that fits what you're
34:16
looking at, which I wouldn't put past any of
34:20
these people to do, this is it. And you could
34:23
find it literally anywhere. with a lot of things
34:27
like I'm thinking just off the top of my head
34:30
if you were looking you can find a lot of stuff
34:33
that's this shape in any city probably around
34:36
the world with stadiums and stuff like that there
34:39
are many football stadiums exactly this shape
34:42
and size that would be covering this Well, and
34:46
not only that, why would you make it the exact
34:49
shape of the thing you're trying to hide? I honestly
34:51
don't think it's extraordinary. It looks like
34:54
someone who was just looking at Google map being
34:57
like, that's weird. It's this shape outside of.
35:01
But not only that, like it sticks out like it's
35:04
plain as a sore thumb. And like if you climbed
35:07
the mountain next to it, you would clearly see
35:09
this thing. And it's not like this is a restricted
35:12
area. You can see it clearly. That's something
35:14
like this. there's a road like right next to
35:17
it i'm sorry to say at this point like he put
35:20
stephen gruer to it and i don't put him past
35:23
just looking at google maps being like what is
35:26
weird in this google map area oh no do not give
35:31
stephen gruer too much credit he did not look
35:33
at google maps people on the internet looked
35:36
at google maps and he looked at the forums like
35:39
to see what they were saying thought like i've
35:42
been to like chian with the terracotta warriors
35:46
like what does that look from above and like
35:48
you can go from there like all these different
35:51
stadiums and stuff like that well it's not only
35:54
that if you look at like astronomy facilities
35:57
yeah they're generally round and that's what
35:59
this is purported to be it's something like this
36:02
though and you could say anything about anything
36:05
except this little uterus thing next to it. I'm
36:07
not sure the other thing about this is Anyang,
36:11
which I get from... Arrested development with
36:14
the adopted child named Anyang who is hello in
36:18
Korean, which is the only reason. Unfortunately,
36:21
I'm very sorry to admit this on my podcast, but
36:25
that is why I know what hello in Korean means.
36:30
It is from arrested development, but at least
36:32
I know it, you guys. And this place is called
36:35
Anyang. Which is why I'm concerned about why
36:38
it's called Anya. Like why is it called Hello?
36:42
Is that right? So Hello in Korean is Anyang Haseyo,
36:48
which I don't know what the first part of it
36:51
like on its own means. So it might mean something
36:53
different. And also it's it's the english -sized
36:57
version of it too i don't know if it would be
37:00
actually like the korean version is all i know
37:03
from arrested development i'm so sorry to tell
37:06
you that you guys i i do need to do better for
37:09
that but this is my extent of my knowledge and
37:13
i'll figure other stuff out i'll be fluent next
37:16
time you talk to me okay To be fair, we know
37:19
way more about Ghana than the average person,
37:23
too. Like, we need to know too much about too
37:25
many things. And I do know Anyang. So next time,
37:28
I promise I'll be fluent, probably, by watching
37:32
Arrested Development, probably. So let's just
37:35
move on from here. But I'm sure we could find
37:38
other... Things shaped this way that could be
37:42
downed UFOs probably right? That's what we're
37:45
talking about in this episode I'm just saying
37:48
if I wanted to hide a downed UFO I would make
37:51
the thing above it a different shape 100 % I'd
37:53
probably make it a triangle At least if it was
37:56
a circle or you know, maybe mountain shaped If
38:00
it was a circle I'd probably make it above it
38:02
Definitely make it a mountain so that it wouldn't
38:05
show up on Google map You know? As a uterus.
38:11
You know, I'd probably just make it blend into
38:14
that mountain next to it. And then, oh, I don't
38:20
know, just make a note of it and not sell the
38:22
mineral -like rights to that area. That's exactly
38:25
probably what I would do about it. Not make it
38:29
discoverable so much on Google. But Chelsea.
38:32
You got more. Don't worry, they have more evidence.
38:36
A third feature is the nearby civil engineer
38:39
capabilities. Publicly described facilities in
38:42
the region conduct medium or hypervelocity impact
38:45
testing using vacuum systems, sometimes translated
38:48
as space guns, designed to stimulate debris strikes
38:52
on satellites or spacecraft components. The proximity
38:56
of such testing infrastructure to a secure, unusual
38:59
looking installation naturally attracts correlation,
39:02
but Somebody alone does not establish a casual
39:05
link to UAP related activity. I need to pause
39:08
there. You can bring like your materials to this
39:12
facility near this, not related in any way. It's
39:15
like a university and they'll shoot things in
39:17
a vacuum at the material to see if it stands
39:19
up to it in space. So they want to see what something
39:22
looks like when it hits something at a thousand
39:24
miles an hour. Okay. Can't do that everywhere.
39:26
They can do it here. They think that that proves
39:29
that there's a UFO beside it. I don't know that
39:32
it does, but okay. It just does. I don't even
39:35
understand why that would be correlation. Other
39:40
than because they're talking about like outer
39:43
space things like that's the most I can say I
39:46
get it kind of but local and historical context
39:49
add texture but not confirmation residents reportedly
39:52
view the area as a hiking and arts destination
39:54
with little awareness of uap lore an archived
39:57
1976 news account describes an anti -aircraft
40:01
fire against a slow -moving ring of lights and
40:04
a city commission sculpture depicts a disc embedded
40:07
at an angle cultural artifacts that sustained
40:10
intrigue while remaining anecdotal. Elsewhere,
40:12
other facilities such as Fort Sill in Oklahoma
40:14
and Pine Gap in Australia have been floated as
40:17
candidates for where this downed UFO could be.
40:20
Reflecting a recurring template. Promote environments
40:23
with durable security, significant earthworks,
40:27
and strong U .S. or allied ties. Assessing whether
40:30
Anyang conceals a non -transportable craft requires
40:34
methodical, testable steps grounded in open source
40:37
and lawful inquiry. Key lines of effort include
40:40
mapping construction chronology, against alleged
40:44
discovery timelines, clarifying ownership, mission,
40:47
history, and permitted land use, reviewing public
40:50
procurement records for large -scale excavation,
40:53
unusual shielding or atypical power and logistics,
40:56
and evaluating the radio facility's stated functions
40:59
against comparable sites. Corroborated testimony
41:02
accompanied by documents, photographs, or chain
41:05
-of -custody records would be essential in the
41:07
absence of such indicators the site's alignment
41:10
with the theoretical profile remains circumcised.
41:12
The broader debate highlights a persistent attention
41:15
in UAP research. Infrastructure can suggest possibility,
41:19
but only verifiable evidence establishes fact.
41:23
Specifically allow investigators to test claims
41:25
rather than chase an ever -widening map of secure
41:29
installations. Whether the Anyang facility complex
41:31
ultimately resolves a long circulating story
41:34
or refocuses attention on evidentiary standards,
41:38
its examination underscores a constructive path
41:41
forward. Pursue what can't be measured, documented,
41:45
and independently confirmed. article. But Chelsea,
41:48
does that sell you on this being 100 % the location?
41:51
Yes, it does. I knew it. It does not. And I love
41:55
that they procure this location as being a potential,
42:02
as probably 100 % the location of it, and it
42:06
is definitely not the location of it. No, and
42:09
I find it hilarious. Chelsea, just zoom out on
42:11
that. There are apartment buildings within half
42:14
a kilometer of this. no there's a soccer field
42:18
within a mile that is almost the same shape in
42:20
fact that even though they're thinking that there
42:23
might be other places that this could be i would
42:26
put it forth that they're literally just looking
42:29
at google maps seeing like what would fit where
42:31
this would be and this is a circle in this area
42:35
and It fits it. And Stephen Greer took hold of
42:38
that. As soon as you have Stephen Greer, it's
42:40
like, oh, fuck Stephen Greer. But then they're
42:42
like, oh, there could be other locations of it.
42:44
I don't buy it. But it's hilarious because I
42:46
have heard so many people comment on this. I
42:48
couldn't find specifics for it. But I remember
42:50
David Wilcock vaguely mentioning it before he
42:53
died within one of his last three episodes. It's
42:55
so funny that you mention it because this weekend
42:59
I was just like, I really miss my Sundays where
43:02
I could be like, oh, I'm going to catch it. David
43:05
Wilcock live. I legitimately miss that where
43:09
I tune in and I'm like, what mess am I tuning
43:12
into today? So I did put on just a random David
43:17
Wilcock video and he was experiencing a snowstorm
43:23
and the power was out and he was with his dog.
43:26
And I don't know what happened to his dog, but
43:28
something happened with his dog when I Googled
43:31
it. Anyhow, he was with his dog. They're out
43:33
on a walk and blah, blah, blah, he was cutting
43:36
wood and then he had a bath and I texted Taylor
43:39
his bath and it was like a five hour long thing.
43:43
And anyhow, that's my tangent of how much I miss
43:46
David Wilcock because I miss tuning into his
43:48
lives on Sunday. It's like they just come up
43:51
with this stuff and then you can just see them
43:54
looking at Google Maps like what mate? And they
43:56
find this and so. No, they didn't look. They
43:59
rely on the people that are like invested to
44:02
go do it for them. and then they're just like
44:05
oh yeah my sources say that you guys are actually
44:08
right yeah look at that they get this and they're
44:10
like oh it's a circle yeah like yeah that is
44:13
it no that's not it but it's hilarious 1980 yeah
44:17
nothing specific could be not 2023 anything if
44:21
anything Could be in the ocean. Could be anywhere.
44:24
Steven Greer sees people looking for it and he's
44:26
like, oh, that one seems good enough. We'll go
44:28
with that. You know what? You had me in the beginning.
44:30
OK, you're going to hear me clearly than you
44:32
did before because I was leaning back. But in
44:36
the beginning, like this is things that I've
44:38
heard of before. Large football size UFOs. And
44:44
you know what is so funny because I've heard
44:46
them in conjunction with mountain beings. Football
44:50
size. UFOs that have manta beings on them or
44:54
what have you but people see them floating in
44:56
the sky They've been up on them and it's not
45:00
out of the realm of possibility that they're
45:03
out there I've never heard of them crashing.
45:05
They could have crashed, but I don't know that
45:08
they're circular. I don't know I just don't know
45:10
what to make of this. I don't know. I call it
45:12
BS I call it people who well and especially when
45:16
the first person you get tied to is John Lear
45:19
who has been on a record of saying like hey Stop
45:22
repeating that I made that up. So sure you look
45:25
like an idiot right now I would love to do an
45:27
episode on John. No, we did do an episode on
45:29
John Lear. We figured that out I did several
45:32
episodes on John Lear I don't know. There's all
45:37
this stuff about people doing all this made -up
45:40
bullshit and that's not saying that people haven't
45:44
had sightings of stuff like this, but you get
45:47
these people in the UFO community who are doing
45:51
shit like this. This I don't believe. I don't
45:54
believe this. I don't believe it. And I can just
45:57
say they're looking at Google Maps being like,
45:59
oh, this fits a description of, you know, a circular
46:02
thing. Though, like I said, there have been people
46:06
who have cited things that are huge. That doesn't
46:09
mean that they've crashed. The odds of something
46:12
this huge crashing are probably pretty slim.
46:16
The fact that they probably make up this reality,
46:20
I think are probably pretty slim. The fact that
46:23
they would crash I should also add though that
46:26
one of the things John Lear mentioned I didn't
46:29
get into in this episode is that deep underground
46:32
military bases such as Dulce or actually put
46:36
where they were because there was a massive UFO
46:39
that crashed there they couldn't move so they
46:41
built a deep underground military base there
46:44
you should have probably put that there but like
46:46
i there's nothing to look into with that i don't
46:49
i don't buy it i really think that i still don't
46:52
buy it well that and we know that like the whole
46:55
idea of dulcet made up based on Yeah, it's Richard
46:59
Doty adjacent. But plus, I don't think that these
47:05
things are in a reality. I really don't. And
47:09
I think that Jacques Vallee, who did we just
47:11
do an episode on? Stephen Greer. No. And you
47:15
told me that that's not how you say Jacques Vallee's
47:18
name. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You said it. The
47:23
Las Vegas alien because of the way that people
47:27
experience UFOs because they're all different
47:30
and they could be interpreted in different realities,
47:33
not only different realities, but different cultural
47:36
aspects and different perspectives. It's almost
47:41
like our sociological mass, psychological mass
47:46
in which you have a different mask in which you
47:49
have different interactions in different social
47:52
situations to the human that you are is almost
47:55
what it seems like with bees. Yeah, but to be
48:00
fair too, Jacques Vallée is also somebody who
48:02
I think he's one of the first proponents to say
48:04
that like the UFO phenomenon is just an extension
48:07
of folklore. Yeah, and that's exactly it. And
48:10
John Keel actually felt with them the same way.
48:14
A lot of people felt the same way with them.
48:16
And I think that's the way that I tend to move
48:20
as well. But where was I moving with this? I
48:24
don't know where I was going in the direction.
48:27
of this episode, but I think there's so many
48:31
different ways that you can interpret these type
48:34
of things. But I've been confused what you're
48:37
going with that because like tangible crashed
48:40
UFO is something that shouldn't be hard to interpret.
48:43
No it shouldn't be and I lost the way that I
48:45
was going with it in this interpretation of it.
48:48
But it is very straightforward. The way that
48:52
you can interpret a very real crashed UFO. I
48:55
did lose the plot in that and I apologize and
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I'm afraid that I cannot bring the plot back.
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Very real and tangible UFO is something that
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is very easily able to interpret. And this is
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not it in the term of Stephen Greer and his friends.
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We've learned if you want to hide something from
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people, you make them all think they're going
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insane and like mentally abuse them for years
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on end until they try to commit suicide. That
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is exactly the way you do. But I think you don't
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just put a star observation facility. I think
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that's more the way it is, though, is more of
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a cultural interpretation of it. And I don't
49:36
know exactly where I was going with that because
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I definitely lost it. But it's definitely not
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this in this episode. Wow. It has been reported
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that there are very large UFOs. that have been
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cited this is not it it's not circular in south
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korea it could be in the sky hopefully not above
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where you're listening to this episode and seeing
50:02
it currently i think this is the best way to
50:05
put it I think we can all agree, and I think
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this might just be one of those things where
50:10
Journey to the Fringe is giving you advice, having
50:13
just you being the ruler of a more or less prominent
50:17
country in the world and having a massive UFO
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just crash in your territory. Don't build an
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exactly shaped facility right above us. We give
50:27
good advice, probably listen to us, and also
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probably don't copyright it. We give pretty basic
50:32
advice that apparently sometimes people just
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need. Probably. But I think this is a good spot
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to end then, I guess. We leave on a high with
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these. I have been Taylor, here with Chelsea.
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We are Journey to the Fringe. Thank you all for
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listening. We'll see you next week. Bye. Thank
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