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The Kenny Report | 20 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: I'll make sure we're a cright across all everything across
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  Speaker 2: the country for another week here on the Kenny Report. Tonight,
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  Speaker 2: I'll explore ignorance, the inexplicable ignorance of activists and protesters.
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  Speaker 2: It's having a huge impact on the pro Palestinian demonstrations,
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  Speaker 2: and as we know, there's no shortage of blatant ignorance
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  Speaker 2: in the climate and energy debate too. I'll look at
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  Speaker 2: the green hydrogen plan for Australia that looks too good
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  Speaker 2: to be true. Also the fight against domestic violence and
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  Speaker 2: knife crime, how the granting of bail.
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  Speaker 1: Is so often our weakest link.
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  Speaker 2: Plus pull Murray on Albow and the polls Caroline are
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  Speaker 2: also James Macpherson and Sophie or'sworth, so strap yourselves in.
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  Speaker 2: In recent weeks we've seen a welcome and overdue focus
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  Speaker 2: from politicians and law enforcement authorities on domestic violence and
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  Speaker 2: on knife crime. There's been money committed, there's been lots
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  Speaker 2: of talk even work on new laws to restrict bail
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  Speaker 2: and tighten bail conditions, and also new laws based on
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  Speaker 2: the Jack's Law reforms in Queensland that give police more
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  Speaker 2: powers to search people for knives in public places. This
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  Speaker 2: is all to the good. And in New South Wales,
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  Speaker 2: the police today revealed a huge number of arrests, more
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  Speaker 2: than a thousand charges laid against five hundred alleged offenders
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  Speaker 2: after a compliance crackdown on domestic violence orders.
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  Speaker 1: Something has to give.
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  Speaker 3: These offenders have got to get the message that abuse
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  Speaker 3: of females is not acceptable, Domestic violence is not acceptable
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  Speaker 3: and we will not stop in our operation.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Again, this is all to the good, although it begs
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  Speaker 2: the question about why this crackdown didn't happen last month,
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  Speaker 2: last year, or perhaps the year before. Let's hope this
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  Speaker 2: level of action is maintained now that it doesn't drop off.
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  Speaker 2: Sustained efforts obviously what's required in this area, but it
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  Speaker 2: also needs to be backed up in the courts. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you all would have seen that horrible police stabbing in
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  Speaker 2: Sydney over the weekend, but I want to show you
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  Speaker 2: some news coverage of a frightening incident in western Sydney
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  Speaker 2: on Friday night, when a woman with a baby in
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  Speaker 2: a pram sought refuge from a man with a knife
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  Speaker 2: by rushing into a shop for help.
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  Speaker 4: Instinctively, she backs into the corner with her pram inside
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  Speaker 4: her newborn baby. Shopkeeper Simon Sary steps in, locking the
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  Speaker 4: alleged perpetrator with kitchen knife in hand outside.
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  Speaker 5: I was trying to protect them at any course.
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  Speaker 4: Simon, who's owned Liverpool Supermarket on Elizabeth Street for the
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  Speaker 4: past two years, tries to defuse the situation around seven
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  Speaker 4: last night, managing to convince the man to put the
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  Speaker 4: knife away. Minutes later police tackle him to the ground
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  Speaker 4: and to have him in handcuffs. The mother holds her
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  Speaker 4: daughter close a moment of relief, followed with a kiss,
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  Speaker 4: before she relays to police the horror of her night.
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  Speaker 2: Now a couple of things to be said about this. First,
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  Speaker 2: well done to that shopkeeper, Simon. Sorry, that's what a
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  Speaker 2: good and brave man does. He protects women and children.
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  Speaker 2: And well done to the police too for quickly arresting
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  Speaker 2: this man. But then have a listened to the end
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  Speaker 2: of this report.
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  Speaker 4: The seventy two year old has now been charged with
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  Speaker 4: carrying a knife in public causing fear for safety. Released
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  Speaker 4: on bail Hill Front, Liverpool Local Court on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: I was watching that at home on Saturday night, and
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  Speaker 2: I had to rewind the tape to see if I'd
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  Speaker 2: really heard what I thought i'd heard.
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  Speaker 4: Released on bail, Released on bail, Released on bail, Released
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  Speaker 4: on bail.
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  Speaker 1: Can you believe it? Now? I don't want to prejudice
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  Speaker 1: any legal proceedings.
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  Speaker 2: There are charges in play, there are only allegations at
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  Speaker 2: this stage, but from what we've seen there, two facts
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  Speaker 2: are clear. There is fear and distress from a woman,
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  Speaker 2: a potential victim, and there is a man brandishing a
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  Speaker 2: knife in public.
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  Speaker 1: The idea that bail can be.
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  Speaker 2: Granted the following day just astounds me, and it just
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  Speaker 2: convinces me that we haven't learned our lessons, or at
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  Speaker 2: least our magistrates and registrars.
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  Speaker 1: Haven't learned the thing.
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  Speaker 2: We shouldn't be taking chances on episodes like this. We
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  Speaker 2: can have all the law changes we like and all
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  Speaker 2: the police crackdowns, but until we get serious about refusing
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  Speaker 2: bail when anyone is accused of threatening behavior or threatening
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  Speaker 2: with a weapon, then potential victims are going to be
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  Speaker 2: left exposed. Just astonishing, But as you know, public safety
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  Speaker 2: always falls back to the police, and thankfully they've done
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  Speaker 2: well again. The police He's arrested that same man again
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  Speaker 2: the following night on Saturday night, and he's now accused
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  Speaker 2: of stalking and threatening behavior. This time sensibly, he was
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  Speaker 2: denied bail and remains in custody until he faces court
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  Speaker 2: on Wednesday. Just one small example. These things are happening
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  Speaker 2: every day in our courts. Now, wonder the police get frustrated.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing is more inexcusable in this digital age than ignorance.
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  Speaker 2: There's actually no reason not to know anything anymore. It's
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  Speaker 2: all at our fingertips. Any fact, any history.
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  Speaker 1: Anything we want to know, we can look it up.
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  Speaker 2: But sadly, most people spend their time using all this
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  Speaker 2: technology to watch TikTok videos or post sexy pictures of
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  Speaker 2: themselves or swap inanities. And public debate, even on the
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  Speaker 2: most important issues, is as ignorant today as ever. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I reckon it's getting dumber. Let me give you an example.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the debate and the protests over the war
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  Speaker 2: in Gaza.
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  Speaker 6: Fire fury and two sides face to face in the city.
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  Speaker 6: This is what Jewish supporters walked through police escorting them
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  Speaker 6: past a crowd angry in the name of supporting Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: Dead now, I don't need to tell you about the
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  Speaker 2: prominence of the pro Palestinian or as I often poured
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  Speaker 2: out often pro Hamas and anti Israel protests around this
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  Speaker 2: country and around the world. We show you their antics,
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  Speaker 2: and I've visited them myself. I've taken you there myself
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  Speaker 2: to expose their shallowness. These people shout nonsense about genocide
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  Speaker 2: and apartheid against Israel. These are absurd claims when you
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  Speaker 2: consider how liberal, inclusive and democratic that Israel is and
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  Speaker 2: how Ustinian populations have thrived even while they've made constant
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  Speaker 2: terror attacks against Israel. And the trouble is that these
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  Speaker 2: protesters actually give succor to the Islamist extremist terrorists of Hummas,
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  Speaker 2: and Hummas actually is committed to genocide. It exists to
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  Speaker 2: white Israel and the Jews off the map.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: These protesters are entitled to their views, of course, but
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  Speaker 2: we're also entitled to point out how offensive and hateful
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  Speaker 2: their views are and how they're based on ignorance, which
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  Speaker 2: is why I wanted to show you this from famed
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  Speaker 2: author Salman Rushdi.
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  Speaker 7: Right now, it has to be distressed by what is
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  Speaker 7: happening in Gaza. Of the quantity of innocent death. I
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  Speaker 7: would just like some of the protests to mention Hamas
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  Speaker 7: because that's where they started, and Hummas is a terrorist
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  Speaker 7: organized and it's very strange for young progressive student politics
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  Speaker 7: to kind of support a fascist terrorist group.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Rushdi has compassion for the innocence, as any decent
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  Speaker 2: human being does. But Rushi also knows a bit about
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  Speaker 2: the threat of Islamist extremists.
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  Speaker 1: He bears the scars, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Points out that if there were a Palestinian state today,
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  Speaker 2: it would of course be run by Hamas.
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  Speaker 7: So I feel that there's not a lot of deep
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  Speaker 7: thought happening. You know, there's an emotional reaction to the
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  Speaker 7: death in Gaza, and that's absolutely right, but when it
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  Speaker 7: slides over towards antisemitism and sometimes actual support of Hamas,
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  Speaker 7: then it's very problematic.
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  Speaker 1: Not a lot of deep thought involved.
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  Speaker 2: That's an understatement it and it's problematic all right, and
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  Speaker 2: it's only possible through either blind hatred or appalling ignorance.
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  Speaker 2: University students in Western countries like ours have no excuse
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  Speaker 2: for this level of ignorance.
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  Speaker 1: Ignorance that begets bigotry.
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  Speaker 2: The universities don't seem to know how to handle the protests,
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  Speaker 2: but they could start by actually educating people.
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  Speaker 1: Ignorance and the public debate.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder where else we might find astonishing ignorance on
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  Speaker 2: a major issue. How about climate and energy? Night after
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  Speaker 2: night we point out the clear facts here about the
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  Speaker 2: costs and the impracticalities of reducing emissions, about the deceptions
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  Speaker 2: on weather records, and how all around us there is spin,
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  Speaker 2: and there's exaggeration and blatant distortion. Ignorance is the key,
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  Speaker 2: and those who are most ignorant are so often the loudest.
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  Speaker 2: You take the Greta Tumberg's and the le Pardo DiCaprio's.
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  Speaker 2: You take the university types who protest in the streets,
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  Speaker 2: or take the extinction rebellion types who go out of
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  Speaker 2: their way to inconvenience others.
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  Speaker 1: They're happy to pretend they're saving the planet.
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  Speaker 2: They're happy to demonize coal and gas and the entire economy.
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  Speaker 1: But they know not what they do.
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  Speaker 2: I want to show you a little bit of an
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  Speaker 2: exchange that happened earlier this year in a US congressional hearing.
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  Speaker 1: You might have seen some of it with Rita Panahee.
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  Speaker 2: She's on at eleven o'clock weeknights here on Sky, the
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  Speaker 2: expert Witness is a US cross country snowski, Gus Shoemaker,
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  Speaker 2: part of a Protect Our Winter's.
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  Speaker 1: Athletes alliance on Climate change.
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  Speaker 2: But on Capitol Hill he came up against Republican Senator
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  Speaker 2: John Kennedy.
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  Speaker 8: What is crime?
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  Speaker 7: Dark side?
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  Speaker 9: I went to high school, but that's garment. Dioxide is
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  Speaker 9: a gas.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, I'm not a I'm not.
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  Speaker 9: A professional to talk about carbon dioxide so much.
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  Speaker 2: But no, no, he's not into talking about CO two
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  Speaker 2: so much. He just wants to get it to net zero.
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  Speaker 2: But he doesn't seem to know why.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't this the story of our age.
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  Speaker 2: He isn't really into the facts, He's just into the
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  Speaker 2: feelings into the fields.
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  Speaker 8: Tell me more about what carbon dioxide it is.
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  Speaker 9: I'm here as an expert cross country skier who sees
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  Speaker 9: the changes in my winters and the landscape that I
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  Speaker 9: live in Alaska, and so carbon dioxide is what I
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  Speaker 9: see it as is you know, it's a gas that
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  Speaker 9: exists in our atmosphere.
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  Speaker 1: Really did you see that? Baby face?
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  Speaker 2: Shoemaker is twenty three years old. He's in no place
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  Speaker 2: to pontificate about the changes in his winters or on
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  Speaker 2: the landscape.
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  Speaker 1: The winters that he's.
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  Speaker 2: Seen are simply not a statistically relevant sample in any
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  Speaker 2: form of climate or weather analysis.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go back and see more of what he was
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  Speaker 1: trying to say.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, common oxide is what I see it as is
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  Speaker 9: you know, it's a gas that exists in our atmosphere, and.
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  Speaker 8: Is it the major part of our atmosphere?
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  Speaker 9: It's a huge part of our atmosphere.
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  Speaker 8: It's actually a very small part of our atmosphere.
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  Speaker 9: Well, okay, but yeah, I don't know what are you
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  Speaker 9: asking specifically?
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  Speaker 1: Now you will know it, of course.
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  Speaker 2: You know that carbon dioxide makes up less than half
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  Speaker 2: of one percent of the atmosphere, and that the most
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  Speaker 2: important greenhouse gas is actually water vapor. Now that's not controversial.
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  Speaker 2: That's not an argument denying climate science. It's just the facts.
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  Speaker 2: But that's the point here, isn't it. Even the activists
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  Speaker 2: don't know the basic facts. All they have is feelings,
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  Speaker 2: feelings that are manipulated by politics. Of course, this kid
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  Speaker 2: apparently is into defunding the police and all that stuff too. Still,
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  Speaker 2: Senator Kennedy asked for his prescription on global warming.
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  Speaker 8: How much will it cost for us to become carbon
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  Speaker 8: neutral in the United States by two thousand and fifty.
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  Speaker 9: I'm not a professional on that.
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  Speaker 8: I don't have any You don't have any idea. No,
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  Speaker 8: you just think we all to spend the money.
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  Speaker 9: I'm not an economist.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's going to cost money. You lass that.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, but we've also talked about the trade off of
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  Speaker 9: what the cost of climate change as emergencies will cost
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  Speaker 9: in the future.
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  Speaker 8: Also, so right, but it's going to cost trillions of
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  Speaker 8: dollars to become carbon neutral by twenty thousand and fifty. Right,
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  Speaker 8: I do not know. You don't know. You just think
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  Speaker 8: we all to do it.
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  Speaker 9: I don't have a great answer for you.
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  Speaker 2: But you can say that again, no answers, no idea,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't understand the problem, doesn't know anything about the costs
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  Speaker 2: or the practicalities of his preferred solutions.
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  Speaker 1: He just says, whatever we.
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  Speaker 2: Spend, it would be more costly not to spend ended. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this is fanciful magic putting economics, if you could even
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  Speaker 2: use that phrase. It's not based on any facts or
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  Speaker 2: any cost benefit analysis. I mean, Schumacher couldn't even guess
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  Speaker 2: at what the policies he supports would actually do. You
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  Speaker 2: know how far they would lower temperatures.
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  Speaker 9: I don't have an answer for that.
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  Speaker 8: You don't know, No, you just think where ill to
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  Speaker 8: spend the money and then see what happens.
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  Speaker 9: I think as an athlete, I think if we spend
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  Speaker 9: that money and then invest in our future, hopefully those
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  Speaker 9: temperatures stop rising and maybe the snow at least stabilizes
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  Speaker 9: where it is for me. But yeah, I don't think
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  Speaker 9: anyone knows for sure.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know anyone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody knows. This bloke has no idea. I don't
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  Speaker 2: be too harsh on him. He's just one example. He's
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  Speaker 2: an example of so many of them. Most of these protesters,
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  Speaker 2: they've got no idea of the facts. I mean, even
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  Speaker 2: our politicians run some of the same sorts of nonsense
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  Speaker 2: about the costs, the benefits, and the practic facalities.
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  Speaker 10: Action on climate change will create jobs that will lower
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  Speaker 10: energy prices as well as lowering emissions and being good
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  Speaker 10: for our environment.
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  Speaker 1: Have look at the cost of inaction.
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  Speaker 11: Do you really want to face your kids and your
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  Speaker 11: grandkids and say, well, we had the chance in twenty
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  Speaker 11: nineteen to take real action on climate change, and we
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  Speaker 11: did nothing.
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  Speaker 5: The cost of.
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  Speaker 11: Natural disasters last year was eighteen billion dollars.
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  Speaker 10: What people in regional Australia have to fear is in
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  Speaker 10: action on climate change. We saw that with the bushfires.
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  Speaker 1: The states are high.
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  Speaker 10: The cost of inaction is huge, but the dividend of
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  Speaker 10: action is enormous.
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  Speaker 2: This is all absolute buncome, no facts, all fills. It's
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  Speaker 2: also worrying there's an appalling level of ignorance in.
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  Speaker 1: The information age.
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  Speaker 2: We've got so many people on the big issues who
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  Speaker 2: prefer their feelings over their facts, and who prefer ideology
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  Speaker 2: over practically In many ways, this is our biggest problem.
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  Speaker 2: Forget about the threat of artificial intelligence, how do we
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  Speaker 2: counter the rise of human ignorance in our major public debates?
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  Speaker 2: How do we get people to share facts and information
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  Speaker 2: instead of feelings and fantasies. Now, just to flesh out
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  Speaker 2: some of this climate and energy debate and try and
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  Speaker 2: expose some of the facts so many ignore. I want
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  Speaker 2: to head up to Gladstone in Queensland, where there are
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  Speaker 2: huge plans, backed by billions of dollars of taxpayers, taxpayer
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  Speaker 2: funded grants and government incentives to shift away from coal
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  Speaker 2: fired power to renewable energy and so called green hydrogen.
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  Speaker 10: We know that the newest form of the cheapest form
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  Speaker 10: of new energy is renewables. So if you have that,
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  Speaker 10: then you will have cheap, clean energy, driving advanced manufacturing
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  Speaker 10: in areas like that this in Gladstone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was more money on this stuff in this
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  Speaker 2: year's budget, and private companies and the Port of Gladston.
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  Speaker 2: They've been filling in the locals about the details of
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  Speaker 2: what's planned.
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  Speaker 1: But is it feasible or believable.
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  Speaker 2: I'm joined by the LMP member for the federal seat
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  Speaker 2: of flint Ingladston, Colin Boyce.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Colin.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us first up about these grand plans for renewable
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  Speaker 2: energy and green hydro in Gladstone. It sounds too good
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  Speaker 2: to be true, And we know what things that normally
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  Speaker 2: sound too good to be true, they usually turn out
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  Speaker 2: to be very much too good to be true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, good evening, Chris.
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  Speaker 11: And just to put the viewers in the picture, there
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  Speaker 11: was a presentation given here in Gladston to produce some
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  Speaker 11: four million tons of green hydrogen and that will require,
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  Speaker 11: according to the presentation, one hundred and ten gigawatts of
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  Speaker 11: renewable energy to be constructed. Now, most people don't know
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  Speaker 11: what a giga what is, but I will tell you
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  Speaker 11: that is approximately double the entire generating capacity of the
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  Speaker 11: Australian grid. Right now, they're proposing to build ten thousand
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  Speaker 11: wind turbines and two and a half thousand square kilometers
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  Speaker 11: of solar panels just to power this green hydrogen column
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  Speaker 11: that they have to produce four million tons.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Colin, when you just get this graphic up on screen,
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  Speaker 2: I want to show people this is a slide that
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  Speaker 2: was shown to people at that meeting. If we just
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  Speaker 2: go to the other slide, please, the other slide that
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  Speaker 2: was showed. No, no, maybe there are the third one.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly it.
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  Speaker 2: Now as you say, Colin, up the top there it
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  Speaker 2: says one hundred and ten gigawatts and a massive investment
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  Speaker 2: and a little way windmill wind turbine symbol. They're saying
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  Speaker 2: ten thousand wind turbines at four point eight megawatts each.
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  Speaker 1: That's four million dollars each. That's forty billion.
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  Speaker 2: Dollars worth of wind turbines, and underneath that sun symbol
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  Speaker 2: and a half thousands kilometers squared of solar farms.
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  Speaker 1: This is just extraordinary level of investment.
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  Speaker 2: Are they telling you that this will actually happen. And
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  Speaker 2: how much land will it cover around Gladstone.
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  Speaker 11: Well, again, I think this is absolutely insane. Where will
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  Speaker 11: you put ten thousand wind turbines.
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  Speaker 1: Given a wind.
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  Speaker 11: Turbines footprint is somewhere in the vicinity of forty to
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  Speaker 11: fifty hectares of land. Where are they going to take
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  Speaker 11: up this land space and put these wind turbines. Are
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  Speaker 11: they going to put them out in the ocean on
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  Speaker 11: the Great Barrier reef? That's an interesting question that hasn't
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  Speaker 11: been answered. As far as the solar panels go, two
• 19:41
  Speaker 11: and a half thousand square kilometers of solar panels in
• 19:44
  Speaker 11: one block is one hundred kilometers long, twenty five kilometers wide.
• 19:48
  Speaker 11: That's how big it is, and that is absolutely insane.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Tell me, then, Colin. The big question is this isn't it?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Is this something that people of the people of Gladstone
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: and that are welcoming because according to the government and
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: some of the companies involved, there is going to be
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: amazing investment, jobs, profitability, it's going to boost the economy.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Or are people more worried about ten thousand wind turbines
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: and two and a half square kilometers two and a
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: half thousand square kilometers of solar panels.
• 20:18
  Speaker 11: Well, I would suggest nice people aren't even aware of this, Chris.
• 20:21
  Speaker 11: And the reality of hydrogen is hydrogen is something that
• 20:26
  Speaker 11: you need reliable, cheap energy, you need reliable water, and
• 20:31
  Speaker 11: you need a market, and we don't have any of
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: them yet. But here we've got a federal government that
• 20:37
  Speaker 11: is putting some eight billion dollars towards hydrogen hubs in
• 20:41
  Speaker 11: the last budget recently. So that is just welfare for
• 20:46
  Speaker 11: billionaire companies.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: It's extraordinary double basically doubling the amount of renewable energy
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: and even wind turbines in one log nationally in one location.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem feasible, but we'll get some more expertedvice.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing it to our attention, Colin, I appreciate it.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Colin Boyce there, who's the LMP member for Flynn in
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the Gladstone area. I want to go to Aiden Morrison
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: now who joins us from the Center for Independent Studies.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: A first up is hydrogen green hydrogen in particular the
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: fuel of the future.
• 21:22
  Speaker 12: No, I don't think it is, Chris. It's a fuel
• 21:24
  Speaker 12: that we can use for a few things. There are
• 21:27
  Speaker 12: specialized production processes in certain chemical manufactures that require some hydrogen.
• 21:33
  Speaker 12: There's also I love hydrogen as a fuel for submarines
• 21:36
  Speaker 12: with air independent propulsion.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: That's one application where it's very very good.
• 21:40
  Speaker 12: But hydrogen as a fuel system is extremely expensive. It's
• 21:44
  Speaker 12: a difficult, difficult thing to handle. It's the least dense
• 21:47
  Speaker 12: thing we know of on Earth, the gas as a tiny,
• 21:50
  Speaker 12: tiny particles that tend to bounce around high velocities in
• 21:53
  Speaker 12: brittle metals. It's more or less the hardest imaginable fuel
• 21:57
  Speaker 12: to kind of compress, store, and move. So I don't
• 22:01
  Speaker 12: think it's going to be a large sort of bulk
• 22:04
  Speaker 12: fuel system that we're going to have to power everyday
• 22:07
  Speaker 12: things like cars, buses, trains, ships. There are a few
• 22:10
  Speaker 12: niche applications for hydrogen sure and chemical proces, etc. But
• 22:15
  Speaker 12: outside of specialized military combat platforms like submarines, I can't
• 22:20
  Speaker 12: see the day anytime soon when hydrogen is powering regular
• 22:25
  Speaker 12: economical things that we rely on for everyday life, like cars, buses, trams,
• 22:28
  Speaker 12: and ships.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Yet our federal government and state governments are pumping billions
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: of dollars into hydrogen schemes, and the schemes that have
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: never been proved up commercially, we're tipping taxpayers money in
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: and they say it's going to be to make us
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: a green energy superpower. Let's just have a look at
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: what they're proposing in Gladstone. Can you give us some description,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: some idea of how to visualize one hundred and ten
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: gigawatts of renewable capacity in one location, one area like Gladstone.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
• 23:01
  Speaker 12: I mean, like you would have wind turbines as far
• 23:04
  Speaker 12: as the eye can see, and you could drive for
• 23:07
  Speaker 12: quite a while and you'd still see wind turbines as
• 23:09
  Speaker 12: far as the eye can see. It's just an absolutely
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: phenomenal amount of energy. We have wind turbine proposals that
• 23:16
  Speaker 12: are being built in the sort of one or two gigawats,
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: and they're massive proposals, sort of blasting up very substantial
• 23:22
  Speaker 12: ridge lines to kind of flatten out the pads, big
• 23:24
  Speaker 12: scars through kind of remnant forests. And this is a
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: tiny fraction of what we proposed. So I think that
• 23:30
  Speaker 12: the idea that would have such a vast amount of
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: energy is that it's quite it's quite shocking, really, because
• 23:38
  Speaker 12: we can't just put it out in the middle of
• 23:39
  Speaker 12: the desert. It has to be somewhere close to an
• 23:42
  Speaker 12: export potential capacity, you know, side it has to be
• 23:46
  Speaker 12: close to water.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I suppose that's what they're saying with this, they're saying.
• 23:49
  Speaker 12: With the coast Australia's useful.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they say around Glenson obviously, that's why they
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: want to make the hydroen But they're actually upfront saying
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: ten thousand wind turbines at four point eight megawa each.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Now that's forty billion dollars worth. That would be close
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: to as many wind turbines as we have in the
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: whole country right now, wouldn't it.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: That sounds right?
• 24:11
  Speaker 12: Yeah, this is just an absolutely massive expansion. And to
• 24:14
  Speaker 12: put that expansion in perspective, you can also see a
• 24:17
  Speaker 12: report that's been done by the Net zero Australia group
• 24:21
  Speaker 12: and they did an export energy kind of scenario and
• 24:24
  Speaker 12: they have solar Tasmania as they call them, extremely large
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: hubs of solar that do cover vast areas out in
• 24:30
  Speaker 12: the desert. And that's the kind of massive scale up.
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: It's many multiples of what we need for our domestic
• 24:35
  Speaker 12: energy that's required to kind of match our energy exports currently.
• 24:39
  Speaker 12: And that very report also says the cost of the
• 24:41
  Speaker 12: energy exports would be roughly quadriple what they are today.
• 24:45
  Speaker 12: So unless our export partners are willing to pay something
• 24:48
  Speaker 12: like four times the price for the energy that we
• 24:50
  Speaker 12: currently sell them, and we also get all the benefits
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: of learning curves in solar and wind that report assumes,
• 24:56
  Speaker 12: it's unlucky that we're going to have a market for
• 24:58
  Speaker 12: that type of energy any time soon.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing some sense to the debate, Aid and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Ada Morrison there from the Center for
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Independent Study. Look, you've got two and a half thousand
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: square kilometers of solar farms ten thousand wind turbines in
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: one development around Gladstone.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Now I wouldn't get too alarmed because see my point.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Here is billions of dollars of taxpayers money will go
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: into it, but you won't see anything like that happen.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: It'll never happen. It's impractical.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: It's just our money being done on these grand plans,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and a lot of grifters are going to get a
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: quid out of it as well. Stick around on the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: other side of the break, I'm going to catch up
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: with Caroline Derusso and James Macpherson.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the polls.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Showing labor wanting to make deeper cuts to migration and
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: also calls to restrict kids getting onto social media. Let's
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: get on with our panel now, and we're joined as
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: ever by Royal Report host Caroline Drusso from Perth and
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: here on the desk though I've had to sub out
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Gemton Yuinni because she's a Collingwood supporter and I couldn't
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: face it today.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: James Maxpherson is here. You're a North Melbourne supporter, so
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: as you know my pain. Hey, I know a lot
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: of pain.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Do you now talking about pain? Tell me about this Carrow.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: The poles are not very good for labor. But one
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of the interesting nuggets in the latest News poll was
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: on immigration and they show, unsurprisingly really that voters want
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: labor to cut deeper and quick it on migration rights. Right,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: so hardly surprising given the record levels.
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: Absolutely, Chris, and look, this country has never really been
• 26:34
  Speaker 13: in favor of a big Australia. We've always supported immigration.
• 26:38
  Speaker 13: We know we have to have immigration and I think
• 26:40
  Speaker 13: generally across the board most people are totally fine with that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: But it does need to be balanced and it does
• 26:46
  Speaker 13: need to be targeted and we haven't seen that over
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: the last couple of years.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: And you can play whatever.
• 26:54
  Speaker 13: Make believe game that you like. But if you think
• 26:57
  Speaker 13: somehow that you can have half a million people more
• 27:00
  Speaker 13: come into the country and somehow that doesn't put pressure
• 27:02
  Speaker 13: on our infrastructure, well you're off in fairyland. So there
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: does need to be well, at the very least, there
• 27:09
  Speaker 13: needs to be some targeting. I mean, Chris, you think
• 27:11
  Speaker 13: about this. How can we have this many people having
• 27:14
  Speaker 13: come into the country in the last couple of years and.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Still have a skill shortage?
• 27:19
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I want has been able to answer that question.
• 27:22
  Speaker 13: So if those you know, I know there's a whole
• 27:26
  Speaker 13: different raft of people who come into the country permanent
• 27:29
  Speaker 13: or temporary for various reasons.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: But it does need to be looked at.
• 27:33
  Speaker 13: And the Australian public, like I said that, they're happy
• 27:36
  Speaker 13: to have immigration, but they want it to be a
• 27:38
  Speaker 13: bit more targeted and a bit more reasonable. The fact
• 27:41
  Speaker 13: labor won't touch it is absolutely extraordinary. But they've left there,
• 27:45
  Speaker 13: they've left their flank way open on this one, sure,
• 27:49
  Speaker 13: and they cop what they deserve.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Frankly, we should have our own version of that inscription
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: on the statue of liberty or Ellis Island, shouldn't we
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: So bring me your chippies, your sparky's, your bricklayers.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, what is it?
• 28:02
  Speaker 14: Fifty percent of people say that labor should have gone
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: further and come deeper. But interestingly, sixty percent of people
• 28:08
  Speaker 14: say that Labor are treating immigration in an unplanned and
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: unmanaged way, which goes to a broader theme that in
• 28:15
  Speaker 14: most things labour seemed to be unplanned and unmanaged. And
• 28:19
  Speaker 14: so there is a narrative developing that will allow Peter
• 28:22
  Speaker 14: Dutton a real opportunity to attack the Labor Party.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And he's sure doing that. Here is a bit of
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton.
• 28:29
  Speaker 15: If the Treasurer is saying that the economy can only
• 28:31
  Speaker 15: function with migration numbers at in historic high and that
• 28:36
  Speaker 15: the price of that is people not being able to
• 28:38
  Speaker 15: find a home, then I don't sign up to Jim
• 28:41
  Speaker 15: Chalmer's form of Voodo economics.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Let's be very clear about it.
• 28:46
  Speaker 15: I believe very strongly that there is enormous economic growth
• 28:49
  Speaker 15: in what we've proposed. Yeah, and picking up on James's point,
• 28:54
  Speaker 15: I think the fact that you've got the problem with
• 28:56
  Speaker 15: the immigration detainees and you've got boats arriving when just
• 28:59
  Speaker 15: just underscores that it's not well managed. Australians want immigration
• 29:02
  Speaker 15: to be sensible and well organized, not Rapidy's rules, which
• 29:06
  Speaker 15: is what it looks like at the moment. I just
• 29:08
  Speaker 15: want to get on the kids in social media. We
• 29:10
  Speaker 15: talked about this a lot last week. Well, now the
• 29:12
  Speaker 15: Prime Minister's jumped on board.
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: Parents are worried, sick about what their kids have access
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: to online. It is a major social issue in this country.
• 29:24
  Speaker 10: We want to respond positively to the request from parents
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: that we do something about this. We want to make
• 29:33
  Speaker 10: sure that any measures that are put in place effective
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: because one of the concerns which is there is that
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: age protocols may be circumvented by users.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Now, James, this is the PM jumping on the bandwagon again.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Has Peter malanowskis the Labor Premier in South Australia who
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: started this saying we should have laws and practices to
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: make sure kids can't sign up until they're sixteen. Now
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: the Chris Mins, the Premier and New South Wales, is
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: going to follow suit. And then our bow comes in
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: and wants a bit of the action.
• 30:05
  Speaker 14: I really want to trust the government on this, but
• 30:07
  Speaker 14: it's hard to trust them taking the welfare of children
• 30:10
  Speaker 14: on social media seriously when they've already talked about misinformation
• 30:14
  Speaker 14: disinformation laws. We know this government loves to censor their opponents.
• 30:18
  Speaker 14: There's plenty of evidence on that, But there's also a
• 30:20
  Speaker 14: lot of evidence that social media is doing untold damage
• 30:23
  Speaker 14: to our children. Fifteen years ago, we thought our kids
• 30:26
  Speaker 14: were going to be the smartest generation ever because they'd
• 30:28
  Speaker 14: all have smartphones. But what we've seen in the last
• 30:31
  Speaker 14: couple of years is where rewiring childhood. They used to
• 30:34
  Speaker 14: have a play based childhood. Now they have a phone
• 30:36
  Speaker 14: based childhood. It's doing a lot of damage. So two
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: things need to happen. One, we've got to change social norms.
• 30:42
  Speaker 14: We need to get to a point where it's not
• 30:44
  Speaker 14: normal for parents to give their kids a phone, at
• 30:47
  Speaker 14: least until they're in the middle of their teenage years.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Let them have their childhood.
• 30:51
  Speaker 14: But the other thing is tech companies do need to
• 30:53
  Speaker 14: be responsible. At the moment we've got the Internet with
• 30:56
  Speaker 14: no guardrails whatsoever. Tech companies need to take some response
• 31:00
  Speaker 14: stability for the damage they're doing to our children.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: You can't leave it entirely to kids.
• 31:04
  Speaker 14: I just wish I trusted our government to have no
• 31:07
  Speaker 14: ulturior motives in this argument.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they do love the sensor. It is a worry.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: We've talked before in this program about the book by
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Jonathan hight on this so talked to Paul Kelly and
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: others about it.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: It is terrible what we're doing to our kids.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Carrow and I agree with everything that James just said that,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: but the added the big missing element there is parents.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: It's about parental control.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I know it's not easy, but in the end, parents
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: have to be very engaged in this and make sure
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: their kids don't have access to what they shouldn't have
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: access to.
• 31:37
  Speaker 13: And they absolutely should be engaged. And look, I have
• 31:41
  Speaker 13: totally support the idea of their being those age cats.
• 31:44
  Speaker 13: But again, this is not something Chris where parents go, oh,
• 31:48
  Speaker 13: it's okay, well the government's looking after that bit, so
• 31:51
  Speaker 13: I'm going to go and do something else. In fact,
• 31:53
  Speaker 13: it's it's kind of government on one side providing a safeguard,
• 31:57
  Speaker 13: you know, the in the broader sense, and then parents
• 32:00
  Speaker 13: in every household with kids doing the exact same thing.
• 32:03
  Speaker 13: Because kids are cheeky and of course they'll try and
• 32:06
  Speaker 13: find a way around it or whatever. But in any event,
• 32:09
  Speaker 13: if you're a parent with young children, you should know
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: what they are consuming. They all have devices, and some
• 32:17
  Speaker 13: of the kids I know are much better at using
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: and navigating them than their parents. So there does need
• 32:24
  Speaker 13: to be that element at both ends, because both have
• 32:27
  Speaker 13: a responsibility and I think that that needs to be
• 32:31
  Speaker 13: kept in mind, because this is not something you just
• 32:34
  Speaker 13: simply delegate out to government. Like James said, you know
• 32:37
  Speaker 13: you want to trust them on this, but then you're
• 32:39
  Speaker 13: kind of worry that this year just gets written into
• 32:41
  Speaker 13: the Misinformation Bill and then all of a sudden we've
• 32:44
  Speaker 13: got a bigger political issue on our hands.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to trust them on anything. I don't
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: want to trust any government on anything. That's the way
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Quick hit from each of you on two different topics.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: First up from you, James, knife crime and tougher laws
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: on knives. Sure, but in the end, it's about magistrates
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: who let dangerous people out on bail, isn't it.
• 33:02
  Speaker 14: This is the prenial problem, isn't it. You can have
• 33:03
  Speaker 14: all the laws you want, but if they're not enforced,
• 33:06
  Speaker 14: and if they're not enforced strictly then what's the point. So,
• 33:09
  Speaker 14: as you pointed out earlier that gentleman who got bail,
• 33:12
  Speaker 14: I no charge at the court cases pending, but they've
• 33:15
  Speaker 14: got to take a zero tolerance approach on knife crime.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and Carol, I'm going to get your thoughts on
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: the wedding anniversary Harry and Meghan.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: That's a royal wedding. I actually watched. I thought there
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: might be a few giggles and there were.
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: There were, and everyone was really hopeful and excited. In
• 33:33
  Speaker 13: that six years following it has just been an unmitigated trainery.
• 33:38
  Speaker 13: It's the sugar anniversary. Six is the sugar anniversary, but
• 33:42
  Speaker 13: for these two, it's more like a spar.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: To me, great stuff, tell us what you really think.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Caro and James.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: James will be back at ten o'clock with the late debate.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: But coming up after the break, I have Paul Murray
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: talked to him about the latest news polls when it
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: comes to the Albanezi government plus pro Palestinian supporters. Class
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: with police in Melbourne, the great Man Paul Murray on
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: standby to join me live in the studio. But first,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: a busy weekend for police in Melbourne. Are forced to
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: keep pro Palestinian and pro israel protesters separated.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Six people were arrested and they were given bail.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: In one incident, a group of protesters wrestled in Israeli
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: flag from a man. Honestly, and the University of Melbourne
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: has worn pro Palestinian protesters.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: They might call the police in and expel.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Students if they don't pack up their encampment. Lots of
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: tough talk from some of the unions, but so far
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: very little action. Let's bring in Alex Richard, who's co
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: CEO of the Executive Council of Australian Jury.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Alex Chris.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: You must be just so frustrated now because these universities
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: they don't speak with one voic.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Some of them speak absolutely weak nonsense.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Other than others talk tough a little bit, but none
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: of them seem to be doing anything.
• 35:14
  Speaker 16: I think that speaks to the lack of leadership from
• 35:16
  Speaker 16: the very top. If you had the Federal Education Minister
• 35:20
  Speaker 16: early on the second these encampments began to appear in
• 35:22
  Speaker 16: our country day this is not on. There is no
• 35:25
  Speaker 16: reason why anyone should be camping on university grounds. Action
• 35:28
  Speaker 16: will be taken. Government needs to set the guardrails of
• 35:32
  Speaker 16: what's reasonable unreasonable conduct, and when there's an absence of leadership,
• 35:35
  Speaker 16: it allows the vcs, the vice chancellors to go campus
• 35:38
  Speaker 16: by campus, each with their own approach. And some, as
• 35:41
  Speaker 16: you say, have taken a kind of lads out fair
• 35:43
  Speaker 16: approach to this wait and see hope it fizzled out.
• 35:46
  Speaker 16: Others have been more determined and more confrontational in their approach,
• 35:51
  Speaker 16: but ultimately, overall the response has been weak. And this
• 35:54
  Speaker 16: is why we are where we are. There's been this
• 35:55
  Speaker 16: very logical, obvious progression from protests to encampments now to
• 36:00
  Speaker 16: the occupation of buildings. And what we saw on the
• 36:03
  Speaker 16: streets of Melbourne last night when you had a very peaceful, beautiful,
• 36:07
  Speaker 16: multi ethnic, multi religious gathering in support of the Jewish
• 36:09
  Speaker 16: community gainst antisemitism, and on the other side, once again
• 36:13
  Speaker 16: you saw buggery, violence, racism, homophobia. It's painly obvious which
• 36:19
  Speaker 16: side stands for what, but unfortunately some still bound in
• 36:23
  Speaker 16: a moral fog.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I just want to get you on two related issues.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: One I spoke at the top about ignorance. There's a
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: lot of ignorance displayed by these pro Palestinian pro Humus protesters.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: But I mentioned a week or so ago that the
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: United Nations had revised downwards its tally of innocent civilian
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: deaths in Gaza by almost fifty percent.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Now this is after fueling all.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Sorts of protests and hatreds and rehtoric against Israel and
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Jewish people based on these highly inflated numbers. Now, of
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: course we all deplore any needless death of civilians, the
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: fact that they had inflated these figures by almost fifty
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: percent must worry you deeply.
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  Speaker 16: Well, there's no surprise there, and from the very beginning
• 37:09
  Speaker 16: we've been warning media do not uncritically quote these figures
• 37:13
  Speaker 16: because this comes from the Hummus Gaza Ministry of Health,
• 37:17
  Speaker 16: which is an arm of a terrorist regime, and of
• 37:20
  Speaker 16: course they have every reason to inflate their numbers for
• 37:22
  Speaker 16: propaganda purposes. We always said that they don't distinguish between
• 37:26
  Speaker 16: militants and civilians, that the numbers didn't bear out with
• 37:30
  Speaker 16: the reality of what was happening on the ground, and
• 37:31
  Speaker 16: people didn't listen, and you had journalists like John Lyons
• 37:34
  Speaker 16: on ABC making outrageous statements like Israel is killing more
• 37:38
  Speaker 16: children a day than any other four. In recent history,
• 37:42
  Speaker 16: you've had claims of genocide, most recently by Senator to
• 37:45
  Speaker 16: Timer Payman, And this is the result of that. You know,
• 37:48
  Speaker 16: when you have this disinformation blushing around and no one
• 37:51
  Speaker 16: takes leadership and ownership of this and calls it out
• 37:54
  Speaker 16: for the nonsense that it is, and this.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Is just wrong. It's just wrong. They've got to stick
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: to the facts now. And just finally, I've got to
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on the death, apparently by an accidental helicopter
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: crash of the Iranian President Rayisi.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Now, this is good ridden still a bad man.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: This is a man who's funded terrorism against Israel, has
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: funded this October the seventh atrocity that led to the
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: war that's occurring at the moment. He's a man who
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: persecutes all the women in Iran.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: But my question to you is whether you believe his.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Death will make things more unstable for Israel in the
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: region or will there be no change.
• 38:27
  Speaker 16: Look, it's difficult to tell. If there's a power struggle
• 38:29
  Speaker 16: that ensues, it's difficult to know who will emerge.
• 38:32
  Speaker 17: In his place.
• 38:33
  Speaker 16: If this at the beginning of the end of the
• 38:34
  Speaker 16: Iranian regime and hopefully a period of actual genuine freedom
• 38:38
  Speaker 16: for the Iranian people and peace and carmen and at
• 38:41
  Speaker 16: least that would be a wonderful thing. But as he said,
• 38:42
  Speaker 16: the Iranian regime and this president has been responsible for
• 38:46
  Speaker 16: so much debt and lives in the Middle East. We
• 38:48
  Speaker 16: know that the Iranians trained hamas in the months leading
• 38:51
  Speaker 16: up to the October seven atrocities. We know what they're
• 38:53
  Speaker 16: doing in Yemen, we know what they're doing in Syria
• 38:55
  Speaker 16: and Lebanon. This is the regime held bent on destruction
• 38:59
  Speaker 16: war and and the fewer of them that are around
• 39:02
  Speaker 16: the better.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Alex, thanks so much for joining us.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Alex Richen there, who's with the Council of Australian Jury
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: on the desk, key with me now as the great
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Paul Murray, Paul Murray Live, whole watcher, extraordinary, albow watcher, extraordinary.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Gee, you didn't get a lot of bang for his
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: for our budget bucks.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Well you say that, but he is getting a private jet.
• 39:24
  Speaker 18: I mean, look, the polls may not be moving, there
• 39:27
  Speaker 18: may not be greatly great change here, but good news.
• 39:30
  Speaker 18: You know you're going to get twenty five dollars a
• 39:32
  Speaker 18: month off of power bill that's paid directly the power companies.
• 39:35
  Speaker 18: But the Prime Minister and the senior ministers and the
• 39:38
  Speaker 18: governor generals they're getting four hundred million bucks worth of
• 39:41
  Speaker 18: brand new private gets.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: It's like when you don't want to present, you ask
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: someone to make a donation in your name. Correct, the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: government is making a donation to the power companies in
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: our name.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: It's well.
• 39:51
  Speaker 18: But also, as we remarked on Budget Night and thank
• 39:54
  Speaker 18: you for coming on the show on Budget Night, was
• 39:57
  Speaker 18: this does not materially change people's lives. Now, this is
• 40:00
  Speaker 18: one of those big numbers that Treasury feels excited about.
• 40:05
  Speaker 18: There's a big talking point that Labor gets to talk
• 40:07
  Speaker 18: about about every household, but.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: That of course means all the mansions as well.
• 40:12
  Speaker 18: But in reality, if cost of living is as bad
• 40:15
  Speaker 18: as we all know it to be, then we know
• 40:16
  Speaker 18: that the needle doesn't move. What is interesting in what
• 40:19
  Speaker 18: I do think is going to move the needle is
• 40:21
  Speaker 18: when Peter Dutton turns around and says no more foreign
• 40:24
  Speaker 18: buyers for a couple of years on bidding for houses
• 40:26
  Speaker 18: and let's pull back on immigration.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: Simpler, cleaner, and you'll see the results faster.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Well, news polls also measure that people won't want they
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: say labor. Half of all people surveyed says the government's
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: letting in too many people.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: No surprises in that.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: But Peter Dutton is leading the charge and he is
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: coming up with ideas about how to implement this. And
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: of course it relates to cost of living. It goes
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: directly to the cost of your housing and the infrastructure
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: where you live.
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: Well.
• 40:51
  Speaker 18: Literally report today forty five percent of all ambulances in
• 40:55
  Speaker 18: Queensland end up having to wait at a hospital ramping
• 40:58
  Speaker 18: before people can get in side them. Now that is
• 41:01
  Speaker 18: because the infrastructure is not enough for the current number,
• 41:05
  Speaker 18: let alone the total number that are on their way.
• 41:07
  Speaker 18: And I just love how the government literally surprise surprise,
• 41:10
  Speaker 18: wants to each way elbow on all of this, which is, Oh,
• 41:12
  Speaker 18: this isn't working if you cut immigration, it's terrible for
• 41:16
  Speaker 18: the economy. Well, hang on, what did you announce in December? Oh,
• 41:19
  Speaker 18: that's right to cut an immigration the Greens. When it's
• 41:22
  Speaker 18: Peter Dutton, it's racist. When it's labor.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Nothing to see you remind me this was the worst thing.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Is pathetic.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Now they can't disagree with the argument because they've admitted
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: themselves as to how we need to harve it correct.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: So Dutton actually gets onto it and comes out with
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: some numbers and shows how you can actually dress it,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: we reduce it, and they actually say it's I saw
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: them on the ABC.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: What's the name, Laura Tingle? This is ugly politics.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: It's ugly politics for the Coalition to cut immigration, but
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: it's what good stewardship for the labor to cut.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: It well one hundred percent.
• 41:50
  Speaker 18: And there was nothing in Peter Dutton's speech, nor anything
• 41:54
  Speaker 18: you said since, which was about where people come from,
• 41:57
  Speaker 18: what God they believe in, whether they do all of that,
• 42:00
  Speaker 18: but it just becomes a proxy.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: The gallery so ready to hate.
• 42:04
  Speaker 18: Dutton because they denied in part the voice right, they
• 42:09
  Speaker 18: are ready to go He's Ossie Trump, He's Aussie Trump.
• 42:12
  Speaker 18: So if they can turn around and find ways to
• 42:14
  Speaker 18: get there, that said, Albo is falling into a trap
• 42:17
  Speaker 18: that many a Prime minister has before, which is to
• 42:20
  Speaker 18: turn around and say look at Newspole. Look at Newspole now, yes, headlines,
• 42:23
  Speaker 18: they have not lost a Newspole, right, it hasn't even
• 42:26
  Speaker 18: I think gone.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: Fifty to fifty. But if it does well, he's.
• 42:30
  Speaker 18: Created a measurement there that's going to become a problem.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I've run that grab a few times where he's boasted
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: about not losing Newspole. I hope it's he a Malcolm
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Turnbull moment there. It's not a key performance indicator order
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: set for himself.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And he's only just hanging on.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Really. He still has a situation where Labor's primary vote
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: as polled is one of its lowest everers and it's
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: behind the coalition primary vote.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: Well. Again, fascinating when you start to bore yourself silly
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: looking at all the poles, but still looking at all
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: of the detail the movement.
• 42:58
  Speaker 18: Yes, there has been movement back to wards the Coalition,
• 43:00
  Speaker 18: their numbers absolutely improving from the last election. Labor kind
• 43:03
  Speaker 18: of back to where they were at the last election,
• 43:05
  Speaker 18: but remember that only got them two seats. The movement
• 43:09
  Speaker 18: seems to be on the right to one Nation where
• 43:11
  Speaker 18: a couple of points have ticked up, and also on
• 43:13
  Speaker 18: the left, not even to the Greens, but to the
• 43:15
  Speaker 18: other to the teal category that means minority parliament, but
• 43:19
  Speaker 18: also it means for those people who are going into
• 43:22
  Speaker 18: the to the one Nation or Palmer category, are they
• 43:25
  Speaker 18: going to do what they did in twenty nineteen, which
• 43:27
  Speaker 18: was that two out of three preference the Libs. If so,
• 43:30
  Speaker 18: the Libs are in a much better position. However, if
• 43:33
  Speaker 18: they're fifty to fifty, then we're going to get a
• 43:35
  Speaker 18: minority government run by Teals.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and Teals and Greens. Thank you very much.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Look, now that we've sort of out of the problems
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: of the country, I got it to something even more
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: important than the politics, and that is the sausage sizzle.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Oh please, this story I'm going to show you this
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: will is. She is with the South Melbourne District's footy club.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Apparently she wants to get rid of the sausage sizzle
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: because she's an animal rights activist. Now prove to me
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: that there's any animals in a sausage to start, But
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: out of my cold dead hands, are you got to
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: take a sausage sizzle when I'm at the at the
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: footy with the kids on the weekend.
• 44:10
  Speaker 18: Look very simple and just like to any toddler who's
• 44:13
  Speaker 18: asking and asking and asking, what do you say?
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: No? And okay, she can go and run off and
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: eventually and in three.
• 44:20
  Speaker 18: Years time, they'll take over the local footy club and
• 44:23
  Speaker 18: they'll pass the motion.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Good like till then no Sheena. If you don't want
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: a sausage, don't have us. Imagine election day without them
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 44:32
  Speaker 18: Disgraceful. One of the worst things I hade about people
• 44:34
  Speaker 18: who vote early. Don't vote early because you don't get
• 44:36
  Speaker 18: a sausage. People vote early. We could just sausages, or
• 44:40
  Speaker 18: for six months a year, the animal rights.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Activists can prepole.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: The rest of us will turn up for the sausages
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: on Folling Day. Thanks for joining us, Paul, He'll be
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: back at nine o'clock.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I'll be back after this. You'll break with Sophie Oll'sworth.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about the Friends of the ABC passing around
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the begging bowl.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Go to Melbourne and catch up with Sophiel's with.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: From The Australian on all things media. Great to talk
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: to your Sophia. I loved your story getting into the
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: email correspondence of the Friends of the AVC group. Gee,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I'd love to be copied in on all their emails.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: What did you learn?
• 45:17
  Speaker 19: A call out to their subscribers or their members. They
• 45:22
  Speaker 19: need money, and they need money desperately. They've got seventy
• 45:26
  Speaker 19: four thousand members nationally, but they've made this flee to
• 45:30
  Speaker 19: their members and subscribers that the ABC, they said, has
• 45:34
  Speaker 19: copped a lot of flak in the last year in
• 45:37
  Speaker 19: relation to coverage of the Gaza War, allegations of bias,
• 45:42
  Speaker 19: and they're pleading with people to please put their hands
• 45:45
  Speaker 19: in their pockets and give them donations because they are
• 45:48
  Speaker 19: an activist group that basically lobby government and fight to
• 45:53
  Speaker 19: the ABC and they stay there nonpartisan, Chris. But I've
• 45:56
  Speaker 19: been to many of their functions and I don't think
• 45:59
  Speaker 19: you find many a coalition supporters at these events.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: It's funny that their answer to the ABC being called
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: out on bias is for them to ask for more
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: money to defend the ABC.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't a biggod idea if they publicly called on the
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: ABC to stop being so biased to the Green left.
• 46:21
  Speaker 19: Bias is in the eye of the beholder, Chris, and
• 46:25
  Speaker 19: they don't really see that as an issue.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: But look, the.
• 46:28
  Speaker 19: ABC received three thousand complaints about bias in relation to
• 46:32
  Speaker 19: the Israel and Must War up until February. That's just
• 46:36
  Speaker 19: an example of you know, Australians who think the ABC
• 46:40
  Speaker 19: is biased. So the ABC friends are worried too going
• 46:44
  Speaker 19: into an election year next year that they need the
• 46:47
  Speaker 19: funds to help fight for the ABC. But they're doing
• 46:50
  Speaker 19: pretty well, Chris. They get about one point two billion
• 46:54
  Speaker 19: dollars a.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Year, unbelievable amount of money with no accountability. I don't
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: know why people keep saying the ab sees bias when
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: after his budget reply speech, Peter Dutton is treated like
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: this on seven point thirty.
• 47:08
  Speaker 17: I just want to interrupt to say this will let
• 47:09
  Speaker 17: me ask the best question, well his quest time for
• 47:13
  Speaker 17: some detail.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: What are you prepared for what?
• 47:15
  Speaker 15: I was about to go there and I think you
• 47:16
  Speaker 15: cut me off again before pivoted able to finish a sentence.
• 47:20
  Speaker 17: Yes, to stop undermining your argument.
• 47:21
  Speaker 15: So I'll just finished the sentence that I was trying
• 47:25
  Speaker 15: to finish before, just to finish.
• 47:26
  Speaker 17: What is making our own minding companies which essentially not competitive?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Just to finish the sentence, So yes, Peter Dutton having
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: the temerity to interrupt his interrogator there occasionally. But what
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: was it like a couple of nights earlier for the treasurer.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: People don't have a lot of spare cash lying around.
• 47:43
  Speaker 17: You're about to give them some Treasurer Again, congratulations on
• 47:46
  Speaker 17: the budget and thank you very much indeed for talking
• 47:48
  Speaker 17: to us.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Thank you Sarah, thank you very much.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Her only interruption was to tell everyone that he's about
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: to give them a lot of cash. It's always a
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: lot more genteel when Labor's in the chair, isn't it?
• 48:00
  Speaker 19: Corupt Sarah Ferguson did interrupt Peter Darton about two dozen times, Chris,
• 48:06
  Speaker 19: she did im better to her interrupt Jim Charmers at times.
• 48:10
  Speaker 19: But I would argue it's a different sort of style
• 48:12
  Speaker 19: of interviewing. It's not as harsh in terms of the interruptions.
• 48:16
  Speaker 19: But Chris, you know, when you're interviewing gets, it's not good.
• 48:20
  Speaker 19: But the viewer to have constant interruptions of the interviewee,
• 48:25
  Speaker 19: it's bad TV and it makes it very hard to watch.
• 48:28
  Speaker 19: And I would argue that Sarah Ferguson does herself not
• 48:32
  Speaker 19: many favors whoever she's interviewing, to constantly cut in and
• 48:36
  Speaker 19: cut them off.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Notice how I didn't interrupt you then, Sophie, while you
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: were critiquing the ABC. Thanks for joining us again. I
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Sophie Osworth here. You can read her stuff
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: in The Australian and you should because she's all over
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: this media stuff. Now, some of your feedback from last week,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: of course, when I talked about.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: The news of the US presidential debates.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Now on the guards between Joe Biden and Donald Trump,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: can you believe? Paul says how Joe Biden has any
• 49:04
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• 49:08
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• 49:12
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• 49:17
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• 49:21
  Speaker 2: says it's pretty sad when a foreign media source delivers
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: better and accurate news than our own American media. Get
• 49:28
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• 49:31
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• 49:41
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