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- 0:00Speaker 1: I am all in again.
- 0:09Speaker 2: That's just you. Yill Moore Girls Gazette with Amy Sugarman
- 0:20Speaker 2: and Danielle Romo, an iHeartRadio podcast.
- 0:23Speaker 1: We are back for another episode of good Old Parenthood.
- 0:27Speaker 1: And this episode Amy has already told me when we
- 0:30Speaker 1: jumped on our zoom together that she cried, and then
- 0:34Speaker 1: I just like a baby, like a baby, and then
- 0:37Speaker 1: I realized this is a Valentine's Day episode fourteen, twenty twelve.
- 0:41Speaker 1: I guess it was a little bout chickawa waw in
- 0:44Speaker 1: this episode.
- 0:45Speaker 3: We need to talk about that. It's not very Valentine's Day,
- 0:48Speaker 3: but it has a lot of shocking, dramatic moments. But
- 0:52Speaker 3: I have to say, Christina like total overreaction. You don't
- 0:58Speaker 3: bust into a hotel room of your adult niece.
- 1:00Speaker 1: Did she ever react though?
- 1:03Speaker 3: Yes, that was bananas. This is an adult. I'm not
- 1:07Speaker 3: saying Amber's making a good choice, but you don't break
- 1:11Speaker 3: into a hotel room, talk to her like she's the teenager,
- 1:15Speaker 3: and talk to your boss like he's also a teenager.
- 1:17Speaker 3: It's just on his right.
- 1:19Speaker 1: Look. I understand her anger in all of this because
- 1:23Speaker 1: I would be pissed off too if I were her, especially.
- 1:26Speaker 3: I would use the word disappointment, not anger. Why is
- 1:29Speaker 3: she mad?
- 1:31Speaker 1: Because she put she was doing it. She put a
- 1:33Speaker 1: lot on the line, recommending Amber.
- 1:36Speaker 3: Then be mad at Bob. Look, be mad at the
- 1:39Speaker 3: twenty six year old. Hell is he twenty six? Twenty nine?
- 1:42Speaker 1: Yeah, be mad at the.
- 1:43Speaker 3: Twenty six year old who's sleeping with their assistant.
- 1:46Speaker 1: I know, I know twenty eight.
- 1:48Speaker 3: I guess he's twenty eight.
- 1:49Speaker 1: It's all bad and gross?
- 1:52Speaker 2: Is it? Though? Like?
- 1:55Speaker 3: Is it.
- 1:58Speaker 1: Look all right? He likes her on everyone is doing
- 2:03Speaker 1: something legal. It's not like she's sixteen years old? Is
- 2:07Speaker 1: nineteen pretty young to be with the twenty six year old?
- 2:09Speaker 3: Yeah?
- 2:10Speaker 1: Amber is also an old soul.
- 2:11Speaker 3: Correct, It's like, I actually don't mind any of it
- 2:15Speaker 3: other than he's sleeping with his assistant. That's a little
- 2:20Speaker 3: bit dicey. And he's a politician, uh, which tracks it
- 2:25Speaker 3: very tracks. Christina needs to calm down and look after
- 2:31Speaker 3: she can say to Amber, Hey, first of all, should
- 2:34Speaker 3: hat do you have done that? Like I kind of
- 2:36Speaker 3: thought that was not cool and Hattie didn't really have
- 2:40Speaker 3: the facts.
- 2:42Speaker 1: Look, it wasn't cool. It wasn't cool, but we needed
- 2:45Speaker 1: Hattie in this episode to make it interesting because the
- 2:48Speaker 1: second as she said that, oh, she's got some sexy
- 2:51Speaker 1: clothes in there, I literally was like, whoa we Oh no,
- 2:55Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.
- 2:56Speaker 3: Well, And also, you're allowed to have sexy clothes, like
- 2:59Speaker 3: if she wants to wear what she wants to wear.
- 3:01Speaker 3: It was very presumptuous of Christina to be like, I
- 3:04Speaker 3: better go up to Sacramento. That's an hour and a
- 3:07Speaker 3: half drive, bust into a hotel room. Also, how would
- 3:10Speaker 3: she even know the hotel room numbers? It's so bananas.
- 3:14Speaker 1: But are you really wearing sexy clothes on the campaign?
- 3:17Speaker 1: For absolutely not, No, you're.
- 3:20Speaker 3: They weren't like she wasn't. It wasn't inappropriate. She just
- 3:23Speaker 3: was like not being you know, jeans and a T shirt.
- 3:26Speaker 3: But let her. You know, my thing's like I just
- 3:29Speaker 3: thought Hattie overstepped and Christina overstepped. I'm not saying Amber
- 3:33Speaker 3: was making a good choice. She wasn't, but it is
- 3:36Speaker 3: her bad choice to make. And my beef is frankly.
- 3:39Speaker 1: With Bob, like Bob, I know, Bob, Bobby, Bob, you know,
- 3:46Speaker 1: the thing that kind of sucks is like you're watching
- 3:49Speaker 1: this explode and you're like, Oh, Amber, what the hell
- 3:53Speaker 1: are you doing? Bob, what the hell are you doing?
- 3:55Speaker 1: But then there's a part of me that's like, dang,
- 3:58Speaker 1: they got a lot of chemistry.
- 4:00Speaker 3: They like each other, and it's like, yeah, there's a
- 4:02Speaker 3: lot of issues with it, but I'd even have less
- 4:06Speaker 3: of a problem with it if he wasn't her assistant.
- 4:08Speaker 3: But the supervisor roll to the subordinate is dicey, right,
- 4:14Speaker 3: especially this guy's running for office, just all bad, but
- 4:18Speaker 3: at the same time, it's bad on Bob, like bad
- 4:22Speaker 3: on Bob totally, and I thought they kind of put
- 4:26Speaker 3: a kebash on it, like they were going to just
- 4:29Speaker 3: work together. So then I did think it was weird
- 4:31Speaker 3: that she's like, is it a business troup or something else?
- 4:35Speaker 3: Like that was sort of.
- 4:36Speaker 1: Like, you know what, You're so right. On the last
- 4:39Speaker 1: episode that we watched, I got I had the feeling
- 4:41Speaker 1: that they were both going to be grown ups. They
- 4:42Speaker 1: were going to, you know, right, do this is gonna
- 4:45Speaker 1: be a working relationship. They're gonna put their feelings aside.
- 4:48Speaker 1: And then as soon as Amber said that, I was like, oh,
- 4:51Speaker 1: we're back to square right.
- 4:53Speaker 3: It was one harmless kiss, you.
- 4:55Speaker 1: Know, one kisses oolitics.
- 4:59Speaker 3: It tracks for Anne though, because Amber, yeah does she
- 5:04Speaker 3: sort of does sleep with people too fast. Remember Hattie's boys.
- 5:07Speaker 1: He's rempulsive, She's very impressed.
- 5:09Speaker 3: So I'm not judging it. I'm just saying it tracks
- 5:12Speaker 3: for Amber. So it's a great storyline because now I'm
- 5:16Speaker 3: kind of like, oh what now, I just think Christina
- 5:19Speaker 3: fully overreacted, just embarrassingly right.
- 5:23Speaker 1: And speaking of being embarrassed, poor little Max. Oh my gosh,
- 5:28Speaker 1: little Max Max not getting rather getting picked the last
- 5:32Speaker 1: for the basketball team.
- 5:34Speaker 3: So I have during a lot of thoughts, like I
- 5:37Speaker 3: actually thought about this because I watched this two days ago.
- 5:41Speaker 3: First of all, I actually and again people will correct me,
- 5:45Speaker 3: I think kids are not as mean as these kids
- 5:48Speaker 3: are always to Max. I actually have more faith in
- 5:51Speaker 3: the children and teens of the world that they wouldn't
- 5:55Speaker 3: behave this way.
- 5:56Speaker 1: I now, But like I remember this in high school
- 6:01Speaker 1: or in elementary school, like it's pe, you have two
- 6:05Speaker 1: team captains, you're picking your teams, and always the person
- 6:09Speaker 1: that's not, like you know, physically coordinated is always last.
- 6:15Speaker 3: Yes, but I also see kids that would pick Max first.
- 6:19Speaker 3: I do, like I think, ever, oh I have.
- 6:24Speaker 1: I and I think there's a difference now. I feel
- 6:27Speaker 1: like kids are a lot more aware of you know,
- 6:30Speaker 1: people that have uh, you know, challenges and setbacks and
- 6:34Speaker 1: things like this, you know with with Max, like his
- 6:39Speaker 1: strengths are elsewhere, not sports, right.
- 6:42Speaker 3: I think it's very stereotypical. Kids are mean to the
- 6:46Speaker 3: you know, different kid or the less abled kid, or
- 6:50Speaker 3: you know, the kid with special needs, when I actually
- 6:52Speaker 3: don't think kids aren't mean to that kid. I don't.
- 6:56Speaker 3: I think this is very stereotypical, and I'm not sure
- 6:59Speaker 3: it's accurate. I'm not think it exists.
- 7:02Speaker 1: I do think it exists. I definitely think it exists,
- 7:05Speaker 1: and it.
- 7:06Speaker 3: Does exist, which is what creates the stereotype. But I
- 7:08Speaker 3: just see, so it's so different, like I know, in
- 7:12Speaker 3: my own community, a kid with special needs or is
- 7:19Speaker 3: people go out of their way to make that kid
- 7:22Speaker 3: feel included. Yeah.
- 7:25Speaker 1: I mean, look, that's great, that's great that you know
- 7:31Speaker 1: that that there are people like that who who go
- 7:34Speaker 1: out of the way to make them feel included. But
- 7:36Speaker 1: it definitely exists.
- 7:37Speaker 3: I mean for sure, that's why it's stereotypical. But I
- 7:40Speaker 3: also am hooked in because I think it's why I
- 7:43Speaker 3: just cried and cried and cried when Micah comes over
- 7:46Speaker 3: and his parents are totally like Christina and Adam and
- 7:49Speaker 3: everyone's about it.
- 7:52Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone was so excited. That was very very sweet moment.
- 7:56Speaker 1: And Micah is in a wheelchair and so you know,
- 8:00Speaker 1: Micah has their own you know, challenges and.
- 8:04Speaker 3: Micah bin bifa. That's what they read.
- 8:07Speaker 1: And I love that Max and Micah were just bonding
- 8:12Speaker 1: total and just what Max.
- 8:16Speaker 3: Is like, I measured our door, can uh this size
- 8:18Speaker 3: wheelchair fit through? Because my friend's pulling up like it was?
- 8:21Speaker 1: So I love that so much because to them it's
- 8:27Speaker 1: not oh uh, you know MIC's in a wheelchair or
- 8:31Speaker 1: I have aspergers. It's not that it's like, oh my god,
- 8:34Speaker 1: my buddy's coming to play. I'm stoked, totally totally. Yeah,
- 8:38Speaker 1: it's a.
- 8:39Speaker 3: Great storyline, really sweet. I just have some flags on it.
- 8:43Speaker 1: I do tell me.
- 8:44Speaker 3: I just said, I don't think these kids would be
- 8:47Speaker 3: this mean. I don't think the teacher is going to
- 8:50Speaker 3: allow that. I don't. I just think I don't think
- 8:54Speaker 3: any of it is exactly how it would go now.
- 8:58Speaker 3: Maybe then, but I don't even think then.
- 9:00Speaker 1: I mean I disagree a little bit a little bit
- 9:02Speaker 1: because I've seen it, but I do think kids now
- 9:06Speaker 1: are cooler and more sensitive and aware to this type
- 9:11Speaker 1: of stuff.
- 9:12Speaker 3: Right, you're telling me not one of those kids has
- 9:14Speaker 3: a sibling with any kind of they're just Look, it's stereotypical,
- 9:20Speaker 3: so it's based on what we think, but I don't
- 9:23Speaker 3: know that it's actually what it is.
- 9:24Speaker 1: Just like Amber hooking up with her boss.
- 9:26Speaker 3: One hundred percent exactly right, Like, yeah, we're getting a
- 9:30Speaker 3: lot of things that are sort of storylines, but are
- 9:34Speaker 3: they actually how would play out?
- 9:36Speaker 1: You know, who's annoying Julia? Zoe.
- 9:41Speaker 3: She's a little tough, but she's got a lot on
- 9:43Speaker 3: her plate. How would you be.
- 9:45Speaker 1: If you're on a plate? She's got a lot on
- 9:47Speaker 1: her plate. But oh, I mean, look, it's interesting because
- 9:51Speaker 1: I watched it and I was like, Zoe, get yourself together, like.
- 9:54Speaker 3: You're also, she's not qualified to be a paralegal. That's
- 9:57Speaker 3: not a starter job. Paralegal was like a serious.
- 10:01Speaker 1: Job, right right, And that was kind of interesting to
- 10:05Speaker 1: me because I've always looked I'm not I think at
- 10:07Speaker 1: a law school. I don't really know law things that
- 10:11Speaker 1: much like you do. Amy is a certified lawyer. No,
- 10:13Speaker 1: I'm in our world.
- 10:15Speaker 3: I pretend to be a lawyer, but a paralegal is
- 10:18Speaker 3: like above assistant, like a parent legal is just below lawyer.
- 10:21Speaker 3: Like that's not an easy job. I mean, look, there's
- 10:25Speaker 3: different levels of lawyer. But then apparentlygal really assists the lawyer.
- 10:30Speaker 3: It's not an easy job, right.
- 10:33Speaker 1: But with that being said, it was an amazing opportunity
- 10:36Speaker 1: for Zoe to correct, you know, put her name in
- 10:40Speaker 1: for and to try and like Julia said, if she
- 10:42Speaker 1: just did it, she would have gotten it.
- 10:45Speaker 3: I think you missed an important part of the storyline.
- 10:48Speaker 3: She doesn't have a high school diploma. No, I remember
- 10:51Speaker 3: Julia assumed she did, so she actually couldn't apply for
- 10:56Speaker 3: the job. Julia assumed she had a high school diploma.
- 10:59Speaker 3: It was recuired for the job. So that's why they
- 11:02Speaker 3: got in that tussle because she's like, I can't apply
- 11:05Speaker 3: for this job even though you want me to, and
- 11:07Speaker 3: I don't know. I can't be correct. So that's why
- 11:10Speaker 3: at the end they're doing the flash cards, and it
- 11:12Speaker 3: was quite sweet. It was a little bit tied up
- 11:14Speaker 3: in a bow, a little bit like, oh, we had
- 11:18Speaker 3: this huge conflict and now we're just doing flash cards.
- 11:20Speaker 1: But not just conflict conflicts gel for the last weeks
- 11:27Speaker 1: months really since we've been watching this show, they've had
- 11:30Speaker 1: massive conflict.
- 11:31Speaker 3: Well also because it's totally also bananas.
- 11:35Speaker 1: Right, I do I do appreciate Julia trying really hard
- 11:39Speaker 1: to help Zoe with the job with keeping her at
- 11:42Speaker 1: our house and you know, trying to do the birthing
- 11:47Speaker 1: class whatever all that stuff. Like, I do appreciate Julia
- 11:50Speaker 1: for doing that, But then I also like have to
- 11:53Speaker 1: sympathize a little bit for Zoe when she just wants
- 11:55Speaker 1: her space, and I don't think Julia is respecting that.
- 11:58Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 11:59Speaker 3: It's a whole thing is soone approbable for me, It's
- 12:02Speaker 3: just like it's happening. Speaking of just cringey Mmmm, poor
- 12:20Speaker 3: Drew again, first he like saw his mom and Mark
- 12:29Speaker 3: like doing it, and then now he's found this ovulation test.
- 12:34Speaker 3: It's just like, Sarah, can you put this in a drawer, Like,
- 12:38Speaker 3: oh my gosh.
- 12:40Speaker 2: Oh.
- 12:42Speaker 1: And also like, look, she has grown up children that
- 12:48Speaker 1: are have the ability to understand all of this. Right
- 12:53Speaker 1: when you are planning to take a step as big
- 12:56Speaker 1: as that with you know, bringing in a new baby
- 13:00Speaker 1: to the family, knowing that you have adult children wouldn't
- 13:03Speaker 1: you say, hey, guys, Mark and I are very serious.
- 13:07Speaker 1: This is going to be a long term thing. We
- 13:09Speaker 1: are thinking about adding a baby to our family.
- 13:12Speaker 3: Like I feel or at least I maybe you're getting married.
- 13:16Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 13:17Speaker 1: I feel like she should have had that conversation with
- 13:20Speaker 1: them instead of just oh, here's the ovulation kit that
- 13:24Speaker 1: you've stumbled upon, Like I feel like she should and
- 13:28Speaker 1: also sare Sarah, like you don't. You don't have your
- 13:32Speaker 1: own place, You're still trying to figure your life out.
- 13:35Speaker 1: Like I understand she's up against a biological clock here,
- 13:38Speaker 1: but I don't know. I felt like I would have
- 13:42Speaker 1: been really annoyed and and you know, set back like
- 13:48Speaker 1: Drew was in this episode, because right, it's all out
- 13:51Speaker 1: of order.
- 13:52Speaker 3: But it's just all kinds of I don't know, it's
- 13:56Speaker 3: just all order. It's like I love the show, and
- 14:00Speaker 3: I love all these storylines, but there's a lot of
- 14:02Speaker 3: like what's.
- 14:02Speaker 1: Happening, Yeah, what's happening. There's a lot of steps that
- 14:05Speaker 1: were missed here and then.
- 14:06Speaker 3: And then she called Seth and well.
- 14:11Speaker 1: Again, don't you think Mark should take you to dinner
- 14:13Speaker 1: and have a relationship with him? Prior to you saying, oh,
- 14:16Speaker 1: we're gonna have a baby, Like, how about you you
- 14:20Speaker 1: make a relationship with the other babies. And I mean
- 14:23Speaker 1: Drew is obviously emotional and he cries and that hurt
- 14:27Speaker 1: my heart. I'm like, poor Drew. I feel like this
- 14:30Speaker 1: kid needs some therapy just.
- 14:33Speaker 3: Over everythingdred million percent. He's been through so much, even
- 14:39Speaker 3: just the recent stuff with Seth, like what in the world?
- 14:44Speaker 1: Totally totally and then yeah, the the Seth call at
- 14:49Speaker 1: the end. I just feel like he's gonna come come
- 14:52Speaker 1: in and blow this all up. He's gonna blow it
- 14:55Speaker 1: up like he normally does.
- 14:57Speaker 3: Well, what did you think of his new look?
- 14:59Speaker 1: I think you look good?
- 15:01Speaker 3: Ooh you did? I like the shorter on John Corbett,
- 15:04Speaker 3: all that scraggly hair and the beard.
- 15:07Speaker 1: I know you look good.
- 15:08Speaker 3: I prefer more clean cut aiden, if.
- 15:11Speaker 1: I may, fair, fair fair. But he's definitely not going
- 15:17Speaker 1: to sit back and let them have a baby. It's
- 15:18Speaker 1: going to come in and just say, Sarah, you could
- 15:21Speaker 1: not do this, you cannot do this.
- 15:24Speaker 3: There's a lot of twist and turns. What season are
- 15:26Speaker 3: we on? Three?
- 15:27Speaker 1: Three?
- 15:27Speaker 3: But how many are there?
- 15:28Speaker 2: Six?
- 15:29Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 15:29Speaker 3: We're halfway through?
- 15:30Speaker 1: Okay, last but not least Crosby worries about Zeke.
- 15:35Speaker 3: Oh I forgot about that. Oh my gosh.
- 15:38Speaker 1: That was like Zeke tells him he can't say anything
- 15:42Speaker 1: to his brothers or rather siblings.
- 15:46Speaker 3: I get it. That was like stressful. Also about pharmacist.
- 15:51Speaker 3: Way to blow it, pharmacist.
- 15:53Speaker 1: Jeez. I also don't know if my parents told me
- 15:58Speaker 1: you can't tell your siblings that, I cannot tell them, right,
- 16:02Speaker 1: agree with that?
- 16:03Speaker 2: Right?
- 16:04Speaker 3: No, and no one's not doing that. He's going right to.
- 16:07Speaker 1: Ask, right and be like mom and dad, you better
- 16:10Speaker 1: tell them or I'm going to Yeah, so you know,
- 16:14Speaker 1: like you can't just like keep that stuff to yourself.
- 16:17Speaker 3: It's hard for me because there's so much I want
- 16:19Speaker 3: to tell you, because there's so much I want to
- 16:21Speaker 3: talk about knowing this now and what I know later,
- 16:23Speaker 3: but I'm not going to. But anyone who's seen the
- 16:27Speaker 3: whole series is feeling me.
- 16:29Speaker 1: Well, I hope nothing crazy happens to Heke, which I
- 16:33Speaker 1: feel like is coming. But yeah, man, that was just
- 16:37Speaker 1: a downer. I'm like, I don't like that storyline.
- 16:40Speaker 3: But that's it's realistic. I mean, it's realistic. I like Camille.
- 16:45Speaker 3: The way Camille handled it was good she. I know,
- 16:50Speaker 3: she's pretty iconic and doesn't really get her flowers as
- 16:54Speaker 3: you say.
- 16:55Speaker 1: As you say.
- 16:58Speaker 3: This episode, I'm going to give this uppisode of nine
- 17:00Speaker 3: point eight.
- 17:02Speaker 1: Oh wow. It wasn't one of my favorites.
- 17:04Speaker 3: And I loved it. Even though I can throw flags
- 17:07Speaker 3: at it, I still loved it.
- 17:09Speaker 1: And this wasn't one of my favorites. I kept rewinding
- 17:12Speaker 1: because I kept like looking down at my phone. I'm like, oh,
- 17:14Speaker 1: I just missed last five minutes. Rewind, let me look.
- 17:17Speaker 1: It just didn't capture my attention like last episodes have.
- 17:20Speaker 1: I will still give it in eight point seventy five, okay, thing.
- 17:24Speaker 3: It was also me just getting so the tears out. Yeah,
- 17:28Speaker 3: I got a lot of tears out. They're ready to come.
- 17:31Speaker 3: It's a good episode with a lot of It's a
- 17:33Speaker 3: good episode with a lot of just nonsense.
- 17:36Speaker 1: You know. This was definitely a filler episode. It's setting
- 17:39Speaker 1: up whatever's happening coming up.
- 17:41Speaker 2: See.
- 17:41Speaker 3: Yeah, but I also thought, like so many major things
- 17:43Speaker 3: happened anyway, we're just like going in circles.
- 17:45Speaker 1: It's fine, right, fair. But we only have a few
- 17:48Speaker 1: more episodes this this season, so I expect the last
- 17:51Speaker 1: half of season three to be building. I see yeah. Alright, well,
- 17:56Speaker 1: next episode remember me, I am the one who lets you,
- 18:00Speaker 1: which is probably what Seth is going to say parent out.
- 18:05Speaker 1: Oh yes, Bravermans Oh.
- 18:15Speaker 2: Dot dot everybody and Altoget.
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