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Is the Pope the Anti-Christ? | The Mark Driscoll Show | Ep 27 · The Mark Driscoll Show

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I know that in Europe there are many times fears that are
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present, but oftentimes generated by people who are
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against immigration and trying to keep out people who may be
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from another country and other religion and other race.
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And in that sense, I would say that we all need to work
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together. One of the values of this trip
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is precisely to raise the world's attention to the
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possibility that dialogue and friendship between Muslims and
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Christians is possible. I think one of the great lessons
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that Lebanon can teach to the world is precisely showing a
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land where Islam, Christianity are both present and I
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respected, and that there is a possibility to live together, to
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be friends, stories, testimony, witnesses that we heard even in
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the past two days of people helping each other, Christians
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with Muslims, both of whom had had their villages destroyed,
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for example, of saying we can come together and work together.
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I think those are lessons that would be important also that we
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heard in Europe or North America.
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So Pastor Mark, it would appear that we have our maybe our first
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woke pulp Pope. And he's a man.
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I looked it up. He's a man with an associate's
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degree in chemistry, worked in a food processing plant and then
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did some stuff in between there, became the most politically
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influential religious voice on the planet.
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And since, he has used that platform to bless same sex
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couples, condemn capitalism, lecture on climate policy, bless
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a rock and call Christian conservatives dangerous.
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So what is your scorecard for this Pope over the first year of
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his? Yeah, well, it's a conundrum
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because he'll be conservative on the pro-life issue, LGBTQIA and
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the alphabet suit people. And you're like, OK, I
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appreciate that. And he wants to eradicate
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borders, even though he lives in a place that has the most secure
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border of any nation in the world.
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You actually can't. So Vatican City is actually a
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country and you can't enter unless the Pope welcomes you.
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And there is no permanent citizenship.
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You're only there at the behest of the Pope to serve.
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So the guy who is the the most anti border lives within the
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strongest border of any nation in the world, which is just a
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fun fact. But but when it comes to issues
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of like Islam, I I'm working on this book, the four horsemen.
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And so I just pulled up a quote and this is from Vatican news.
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So this isn't me going to some critic.
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He says Jesus taught us to welcome one another as brothers.
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And this applies first and foremost to us Christians, Jews
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and Muslims who worship the one God and who refer, albeit in
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different ways, to Abraham as father in faith.
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And so he's saying that because Abraham is the kind of the
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father of faith for Christians, Jews and Muslims that we're all
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worshiping the same God. We're not.
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And so, you know, Jesus said I am the God of Abraham.
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So our, our God is Jesus Christ. That's not the, the God that is
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worshipped as the God of Judaism or Islam.
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And in fact, I've got this in here as well.
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Islam flatly teaches that Jesus was not the son of God, that he
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didn't die on the cross. He didn't rise from the dead.
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And he he is not superior to Muhammad.
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And so even a a good, a good Jew would say we disagree with the
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Christians and a good Muslim would say we disagree with the
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Jew. And a good Christian would say I
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disagree with the Jews and the Muslims.
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A good Muslim would just say they disagree with Christianity
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and with Judaism. So what what he's trying to do
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is he's trying to create some sort of relational connectivity.
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And so use the words, you know, relationship.
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And he's talked about, you know, people loving each other and
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serving each other. Yeah, that's personal.
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What we're not talking about is relational.
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We're talking about governance in a country.
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Is it to be run by Sharia law or not 'cause if you're a devout
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Muslim, you're like, it needs to be run by Sharia law.
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Well, this isn't relational, right?
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This is legal. This is federal, this is
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governmental. And so he's taking two issues
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and he's confusing them. But to me, you know, just
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hearing him speak, he's a soft man.
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And this is part of the problem with the Catholic papacy, the
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fact that they don't allow their priests to get married.
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They don't allow them to have children it it entices a soft
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kind of man to go into an academic and monastic life and
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and some things publicly, they require hard men.
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When you're dealing with wars, when you're dealing with
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immigration and borders, when you're dealing with political
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issues, soft men are not best capable of making those
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decisions. And so these are guys too that
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just practically, they haven't been hardened by fatherhood.
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They haven't been hardened by marriage.
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Their their, their instincts toward women and children and
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being a defender, protector, they're not strong.
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And so these tend to be weak men.
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They tend to be woke men and they tend to be soft men.
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There are exceptions, but for the most part, a, a very healthy
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strong man wouldn't even want to take a life of celibacy and
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chastity and poverty. A fact that a man aspires to
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that. Now, if God calls you to that, I
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get it. But if that's the job
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description and only those men can take that job, you are going
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to lose the best men and you're going to lose the hard men.
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And this is what you get. You get a very soft man who's
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wearing a dress talking about relationships, when in Islam
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you've got very hard men that can marry up to four women and
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can beat their wives. And they believe in three
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options. You would convert, you die or
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you pay a tax as an infidel. And I'll tell you what, those
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guys are going to populate the earth and they're going to
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control the future. And a guy like this, he's got no
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legacy, he's got no family, he's got no future.
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And so if if this plays itself out, this is the kind of person
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that gets crushed by Islam. A. 100% and and yeah used used
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to spread Islam. I got asked a bunch this week.
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Is this Pope the Antichrist? And it felt like a really loaded
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question, obviously. So I did some research and
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shocked to see that that's not a new question in history,
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especially in church fathers and Luther Calvin Knox virgin.
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This was a something they talked about often.
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Within the Reformed tradition of Christianity, there are there's
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always been a subset that believes that the Whore of
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Babylon is a Catholic Church and that the Antichrist is the Pope.
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That's. Wild, you know.
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We'll see when we get there. He doesn't seem capable enough.
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No, no, you would need somebody a little stronger than that.
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But, but if I'm Catholic, I'm frustrated because, because now
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you've got the Pope speaking on matters that they're not a
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subject matter expert. And so, you know, you can be a
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subject matter expert in one area, but that doesn't mean that
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it transfers to another area. Like This is why I don't want.
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Climate change and capitalism, Yeah.
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What 1 and and so Catholicism being a global, you know, faith
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community, a lot of it is in socialistic nations.
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And so you're going to want to have a sensitivity or even a
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tolerance towards socialism. But you know, but from a
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biblical perspective, I mean, you know, the Bible is clear
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about private property ownership and stealing is, you know,
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forbidden in the commandments. And so socialism by definition
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is the first step to Marxism. And it was it was Karl Marx that
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said that. And then Vladimir Lenin
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confirmed that. He said there it's a 2 step.
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And the first step is socialism. The second step is communism.
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We know that communism is completely and totally
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atheistic. And so there's just a, there's a
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lack of, there's a lack of courage.
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And, and This is why the Pope is fighting with the president.
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You've got a soft man and a hard man.
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And, and, and the way people are dividing is often times not over
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ideology, but, but simply, you know, are you attracted to a
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soft man or are you attracted to a hard man?
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You know, and hard, hard men are not going to be attracted to
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this boat. No, yeah, unless I can't even
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listen to him. I mean, that's the longest every
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time we see. We saw the clip a few months ago
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of him blessing a rock, an ice chunk or something like.
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Well, taking off his shoes and walking around with Muslims and
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honoring, you know, their sacred places, it's like, so this is
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where. The Catholic Church is like 5
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years late. I'm being woke.
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Yeah, it's like, well, that was 2020, guys.
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Well, and but a part of it is as well as like again, like a soft
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man doesn't do conflict. A soft man tries to do nuance.
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And we're in a day when quite frankly, like nuance is over.
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And I think in particular, younger generations, but
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especially younger men, they're like, I'm not looking for
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nuance. I'm not looking for, you know,
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really crafted statements that try to avoid conflict and
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controversy. It is more of a prophetic time
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of just like hey, be clear and have the conflict.
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Yeah, it we are seeing record number of young men flocking to
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the Catholic Church. Mainly they're sick of big LED
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walls, that nuanced teachings, that things that just look like
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the world. There's a whole generation of
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men that are getting saved as a result of Charlie Kirk and his
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martyrdom, but they're showing up to churches and just seeing
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soft, limp wristed pulpits. So then they're seeing
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Catholicism as something that has tradition and sacrament and
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oh, this is something I can latch on and follow.
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What would you tell those young men as they're trying to discern
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and understand the difference? And what is the Catholic Church?
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What is the Christian Church? What is the differences?
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What is the Pope's role in all this?
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Yeah. So if you're if you're trying to
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find a church, it's it's a tough day.
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And that's what we continually hear is it's hard to find a
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church. And the reason that some people
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are, you know, especially young men are maybe moving toward
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Orthodoxy or Catholicism. Maybe they were in an
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evangelical church. And when an evangelical church
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slides, it's always to the left. It never slides to the right.
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Like you don't very rarely, if ever, do you see a denomination
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or a network of churches slide to the right.
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They always slide to the left and they just keep moving the
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line. And if you're in that, you know,
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community, you're, you're wondering, OK, where does it
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end? And why are we going this
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direction? So then you look at Catholicism,
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where you look at Orthodox and you think, well, they've been
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around for thousands of years. But depending upon which
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tradition you're in and depending upon which church or
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community you're in, it could be even more to the left.
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And so it's less about being under the right big umbrella and
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finding a local community that is led by someone that has the
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courage of conviction to stay in their lane and to not deviate.
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But that is hard because I'll be honest.
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Like right now, my generation, you know, running Christian
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churches, denominations, networks, seminaries, Bible
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colleges, publishing houses, they're almost exclusively soft,
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woke, nuanced, third way, trying to navigate between the left and
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the right. And when they punch, they only
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punch to the right. They never punch to the left.
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That's my whole generation. And they're failing miserably.
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And they're they're not setting an example of good fatherhood
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and strength and courage for young men.
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And they're more worried about approval from the left than they
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are helping young men. And so I think for a lot of
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young men, they just walk into church.
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They're like, they're not even trying to help.
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I like, I want to get married. I want to have kids.
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I want to do the stuff that the Bible says.
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And my Big Brother Charlie Kirk said, but they're not helping me
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to do that. But but again, think of a
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Catholic Church. How is that guy going to help
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you do that? You're like, hey, so when you
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and your wife have conflicts, I don't have a wife.
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OK, So when you're trying to launch a business, he's like, I
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took a vow of poverty. I don't do money.
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OK, well raising your kids like I don't have any kids, so how is
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this guy supposed to help? If you get the men, you win the
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war. You lose the men, you lose the
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war. It's very simple.
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If you get the men, you get the family.
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If you get the men, you get the legacy.
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If you get the men, you get the future.
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When COVID hit, you made me the young adults pastor at Trinity,
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and Ashley was there serving with me.
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And young adults went from like three people to 100 people in
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our backyard because we bought a house, we got married and we
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were having kids. And everybody wants to learn how
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to do that. They want Charlie Kirk.
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That was his whole message. Get married, have kids, follow
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Jesus. But how do you show up to a
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church where you're not where the pastor priest can't get
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married, have kids, build a life and you're anti capitalism?
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Like it's I think that's a hard message for young men to follow.
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But the tradition makes it feel like, well, it's religion.
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This this feels right. Yeah, well in we've had the
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conversation offline and a lot of what is the Catholic Mass is
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just a repackaged civil meeting from 1st century Roman Empire.
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That was wild when you shared that with.
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Me so Christianity was outlawed until Constantine.
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And once it was legalized under Constantine, it became the
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official religion of the Roman Empire.
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Well, now it's like a branch of the government.
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Now you're you're using government buildings and
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government dollars and government protection and
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support. And so the way the Roman Empire
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was architected, it had regions and it had sort of a political
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judicial leader over each region.
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Well, then they just overlaid that with a, a Bishop, a
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Christian leader that helped in the legal and the spiritual
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matters. And then the Roman, the Roman
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civic meetings, you'd literally walk in and there would be the
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Roman law books carried in and there'd be a picture of the
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emperor and there'd be this pageantry and procession and and
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then the Catholic service is really an outgrowth of that.
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They just said, well, let's take Caesar's picture off and put
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Jesus picture up and let's take the Roman law books down and
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let's put the Bible up. And So what we think is
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tradition is actually pretty much just Pagan Roman civic
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life. And so when guys are like, it is
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so traditional, it's like, well, it's old, but it's not rooted in
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anything that has any sort of biblical historicity to it.
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It's Roman civic meeting repackaged.
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It's. Wild.
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And it's, I mean, I get it for young men, they're trying to
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find truth in the gospel. I'll try to find something that
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won't move on them. You know, like, I mean, I didn't
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grow up in evangelicalism. I grew up Catholic and I went to
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Catholic school and I was an altar boy and some of that kind
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of stuff. But then, you know, once I
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jumped into the mainstream of evangelicalism, I'm
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disappointed. I'm devastated.
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You know, I didn't grow up in it.
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But I just see it continually sliding in the soft woke
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cowardice. You've got the weakest men
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running the most important institutions and if I was a
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young man I would be really disappointed.
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But even as an older man, I'm really disgusted.
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Yeah, 100%. Yeah.
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So going back to the Catholic the Pope, will there be Do
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Catholics go to heaven? Well, it all so it all comes
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down to Jesus and so the church doesn't save, Jesus saves and
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the church doesn't mediate. Jesus mediates.
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And this is one of the big conflicts with Catholicism.
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And so are there born again Jesus, loving brothers and
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sisters in Christ in the Catholic Church.
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Yes, many, many. But simply being part of the
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institution doesn't Curry any favor with God.
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It's like Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
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So it's Jesus, it's only Jesus. And so, but what I, what I have
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grave concern about is when he is trying to soften the approach
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to Islam. Islam is a great enemy
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historically of Christianity. And where Islam has spread,
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Christianity has been subjugated and Christians have been
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slaughtered and the churches have been closed.
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And so, you know, to think that Islam would want to be friends
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with Christianity in the church and want to have a peaceable
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coexistence. I've again, I've got it in the
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book I'm working on. But so Muhammad himself, he
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started in Mecca and he was peaceful, didn't really have any
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success. He moves to Medina, he becomes a
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warlord, he assembles A militia. They killed 1000 men, they
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enslave the women and children, they behead the men.
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And so he becomes a warlord. And so Islam has always spread
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by violence and force. And so if you think that making
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peace with Islam is something that they are willing to do,
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they're not. They see that as weakness.
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Again, the hard men see the soft men as targets.
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And the soft men are just asking, hey, can we have a
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relationship? Sure, we can.
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I can behead you and take your wife.
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How about that relationship? 100 percent, 100% Yeah it.
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Islam will not ever coexist. Christians are willing.
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Muslims are not. Well, because the, the, so Islam
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is not a religion. It's, it is a total dominating
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lifestyle. And it demands to run the court
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system. It demands to run the legal
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system and the, the political system and the religious system.
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So we tend to think in America like, well, that's just their
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religion. No, their religion is
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totalitarian. Yeah.
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And so it's it's like being in North Korea.
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There's no separation between church and state in North Korea.
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So Islam has a similar ideology and that is total domination.
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And that's that's what it is required to be a faithful
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Muslim. Is that you would you would
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bring Islam to bear in every area of society?
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And so if you're a Christian now, are you willing to be under
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Islamic rule? And well, the answer is you
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can't be because now you're an infidel.
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And again, you have three choices, Convert, die or pay the
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infidel tax. Those are your options.
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And so wherever Christianity has been, and then Islam comes,
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Christianity is no longer there. For example, in the Book of
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Revelation, John writes to seven churches and and if you look
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today, it's Turkey. So the Book of Revelation is
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written basically to the nation of Turkey, which today is the
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least Christian nation on the earth.
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There are less Christians in Turkey than the church that I
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pastor. That's wild.
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The whole country. That's wild.
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There were Christians in Iraq until, you know, Saddam Hussein
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fell and ISIS moves in. The Christians are gone.
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Egypt was a Christian nation for like 700 years.
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And it's gone. And so just you can look, you
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don't have to be smart. You just have to be honest.
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Yeah. It's a wherever Islamic rule has
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gone, has Christianity flourished?
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The answer is no. It's obliterated.
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Yeah, that's that's where guys like Nick Freitas right now
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we're talking about it and Tucker and and some voices like
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that are very pro Islam and kind of rebranding it.
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And it's like, can we just look at history and the facts Like
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we're not making, we're not making any inferences here.
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Look at what it's done to every nation it's been in.
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Yeah. And the guys gave us some
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interesting stats. And so like so for example, in
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Turkey since 19, ninety, 99% reduction in Christianity, Iraq
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90% reduction in Christianity, Syria, 80% reduction in
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Christianity, Egypt a 50 to 75% drop in Christianity.
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And the Christians didn't just necessarily leave.
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A lot of them were slaughtered. A lot of them are slaughtered
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and then a lot of them are forced to leave country if they
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want to survive. And so to say, hey, you know
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this, this can work. It's like, well, how many, how
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many failed experiments do you need to run to come to the
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conclusion that it's a false hypothesis?
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It doesn't work. It does.
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Not work? Well no.
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Be honest. Like you want to put Sharia law
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over me as a Bible believing heterosexual male Christian?
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You want to create a world where a man can marry four women and
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he can legally beat his wife. Women are worth half as much as
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a man. Yeah, and their testimony in
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court is similar. It's like if that is the
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government that I am under is a Bible believing Christian with a
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wife and kids, we're going to have a hell of a conflict
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because I can't live under that because I see that as demonic
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oppression. 100% as as you should.
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And I think that's that's why everyone's asking the question
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with the Pope right now of like, why are you trying to mediate
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and reconcile these two things that are not irreconcilable?
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So what does good have to do with evil?
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What does light have to do with darkness?
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You know, what does God have to do with Satan?
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The answer is nothing. But again, hard men are willing
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to make those hard calls, and soft men are trying to reconcile
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things. And so it is actually a grave
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sin to have compassion toward evil, to have empathy toward
23:24
evil and try and reconcile with evil.
23:26
And they said they're so loving. They're so, they're
23:27
compassionate, they're so kind and they're so relational and
23:32
it's evil because to take right and wrong and try and bring them
23:34
together. It says in the last days that
23:37
teachers will rebrand evil for good and good for evil.
23:40
That's, well, that's, that's the that's the spirit of Antichrist
23:43
in every generation is. So is the Pope a false teacher?
23:47
So on the issues of the Trinity, the death, burial, resurrection
23:51
of Christ, the Christ is fully human and and fully God.
23:56
He is not heretical on issues of policy and politics and borders
24:01
and ecumenical interfaith relationships.
24:06
He is headed in a direction that does not lead to faithful
24:11
Christianity. So is he a Christian?
24:13
Seems to be. Is he?
24:15
Is he naive? Yes.
24:16
Is he misled? Yes.
24:18
Is he very soft? Yes.
24:20
Is the direction he's going wrong?
24:22
Yes. Yeah, it's like a little bit of
24:24
dog poop in the brownies. There's dog poop in the
24:27
brownies. Like if we're we're adding
24:29
towards all all, we all serve the same Jesus.
24:31
There's. There's a Well, yeah, when you,
24:32
I mean, when you say that, you know, Muslims, Christians and
24:35
Jews all worship the same God. Just sit down, a true Christian
24:40
and a true Muslim and ask, OK, do you both worship Jesus
24:43
Christ? And the answer is no, No.
24:45
So even a faithful Muslim doesn't agree with that.
24:48
And this is where it's unkind to rebrand what even our opponents
24:53
think to make it more palatable. But it's like, that's not what
24:57
they think. That that's where I'm struggling
24:59
with like all right, if you're a false teacher in that area.
25:03
Yeah, once we get to so there's closed handed and open handed
25:06
issues. So socialism, you know, I'd I'd
25:09
put it, oh, closed handed, I'd put it close handed, Jason.
25:13
But like, but like, let's say, you know, borders or immigration
25:16
policies, OK, But like when you get to OK, is the God of Islam
25:21
the same as the God of Christianity?
25:22
That is a absolutely closed handed issue and and part of it
25:26
within Catholicism too. I mean, they're they're really
25:28
big on the church creeds and the church creeds are exceedingly
25:32
clear on the issues regarding Jesus.
25:34
And so he is here, venturing into a space that doesn't even
25:37
agree with creedal Catholicism. Exactly that.
25:41
That's what I'm struggling with it because everybody is trying
25:44
to be very nuanced with him and like, well, he, he says some
25:48
really good things and, and he's got these other things.
25:50
And then they're comparing, well, what, why aren't more
25:52
pastors calling out Trump and what he's doing?
25:54
But, well, Trump is not the leader of one of the largest
25:58
religions in the the world. When his job is to represent
26:01
American interests, that's the president's job.
26:03
But part of the issue with this Pope as well is in the past have
26:05
a Polish Pope. We have an Italian Pope and then
26:07
there's translation into English.
26:09
And there can always be. Sorry that was mistranslated,
26:11
but now we have an American. Pope.
26:12
We have a Chicago Pope. Yeah, and so like, he's speaking
26:15
English for himself, which means you can't blame it on a
26:18
mistranslation. Yep, 100 percent, 100%.
26:22
Well, Speaking of failed experiments, as you were just
26:25
talking, wanted to talk about Congress in America and it feels
26:30
like it's completely gone. As a young guy looking at our
26:33
political system, I'm looking and watching affair after
26:36
affair. Marriage is blowing up.
26:38
There was actually an affair that happened that resulted in
26:42
the person that was going to expose killing themselves, which
26:46
is horrific and horrible. But the Congress, their approval
26:52
ratings at an all time low 15%. They all seem to become wealthy
26:57
very quickly. The minute they get into
26:59
Congress, they're suddenly their stock portfolios take off.
27:01
It's wild. But it feels like they can't
27:05
govern themselves, so can they govern America.
27:08
So I'm just struggling as a young guy looking at it all and
27:11
trying to assess what what should we do with this system?
27:14
What are what are your thoughts on Congress and where we're?
27:16
Yeah. I mean, I think the point of
27:17
like, if you can't govern yourself, why should you be
27:20
given other people and things to govern?
27:23
Like if if you don't have dominion over your drawers, you
27:27
shouldn't get a promotion. You've got a you know, And so,
27:30
but part of it as well is this is what happens when not not
27:34
entirely, but this is Christ less conservatism.
27:37
And So what happens within a lot of politicians that are even
27:40
conservative, if they're Christless, there's no, there's
27:43
no grounding, there's no rooting, there's no authority,
27:47
there's No Fear of God, there's no discipleship, there's no
27:50
teaching, there's no pastor. And so I know for a fact that
27:55
even most politicians that are Christians, they don't go to
27:58
church, they're not under spiritual authority, they don't
28:00
have a pastor. And nobody's checking in on
28:04
their marriage and family. And that's a recipe for disaster
28:08
because now what you're doing is you're taking someone who's
28:11
probably away from home a lot in DC.
28:14
And DC is, you know, an environment that let's just say
28:18
is, is godless. And it's a lot of, it's a lot of
28:23
favors and it's a lot of, it's a lot of wickedness and it's a lot
28:27
of darkness. And so if you're that person and
28:29
you're away from your family and you don't have a church and you
28:32
don't have a pastor and nobody's checking in on you and you're
28:34
not under any authority and you're not being discipled,
28:37
you're not being called to repentance and you're not doing
28:40
word and sacrament and you're a Christ less conservative,
28:43
eventually you're just going to be exposed as a fraud and a
28:45
hypocrite. You're going to be the guy who's
28:47
selling family values while committing adultery on your
28:50
wife. And, and this and this is what
28:53
we know. You know, what do we not know?
28:57
You know, what do we, what do we not know?
28:59
I mean, we, I mean, without naming names, some of the
29:03
political leaders and some of the commentators that I know,
29:07
they say that the adultery and the hookup and the hotel rooms,
29:10
they said it's just, it's just common knowledge.
29:13
And it's like, it's like an NBA player on tour.
29:16
It's just, it's just part of the job description.
29:20
And so if you are a Christian, you don't want just conservative
29:23
leaders. You want, you want people that
29:25
are grounded and have a fear of God and live under some sort of
29:28
authority. Otherwise they're just
29:31
hypocrites and it is discouraging.
29:35
It is, it is very discouraging. And you're actually, you're
29:39
speaking at a men's conference this summer with Pastor Josh
29:42
McPherson up in Washington because their state has gotten
29:44
so bad, they've decided to send one of their actually their
29:48
campus pastor into the belly of the beast, Adam James.
29:51
And he's doing a great job up there and taking a lot of.
29:53
Town. Josh's playbook and a lot of the
29:57
conversations we're having behind closed doors is that
29:59
pastors should get involved. Dads, business leaders, good
30:03
godly guys need to throw themselves into politics or else
30:06
we're going to lose this nation. Well, and when it was said, hey,
30:09
you know, hey, you know, pastors and churches should not be
30:12
involved politically. It's like, well, then that means
30:14
that the politicians have no churches and pastors.
30:17
Like do you, do you really want the the politicians to not have
30:21
a church and a pastor be under authority and getting disciple?
30:23
Because this is what happens, you've got, you've got Christ
30:26
less conservatives that are maybe even claiming Jesus, but
30:29
not walking with them in any real meaningful way.
30:32
And suddenly that becomes the majority line for the for the
30:36
Republican Party. And and then it does hurt us
30:40
with the left because then it's like, well, they're all a bunch
30:42
of hypocrites. It's like, well, on the left,
30:44
they're all a bunch of perverts. So it's not like either one can
30:47
win the plank spec game. But yeah, if I'm, if I'm a young
30:51
man, I, I would, I would encourage, you know, be involved
30:55
nationally, but really hyper focused locally.
30:58
You can actually know local politicians and, and the, and
31:01
the end of the day, you can't control what happens at the
31:03
White House, but you can control what happens at your house.
31:06
And I think it's becoming hyper focused on where has God-given
31:09
me authority and dominion? This is my property, this is my
31:12
business, this is my church, this is my wife.
31:14
These are my kids. These are the areas that I can
31:17
affect change. And maybe they'll be a hypocrite
31:19
leading, but not at my house. And, and you're going to stand
31:24
before God and give an account for whatever your assignment
31:26
was. And we need to be civically,
31:28
politically, culturally engaged to be sure.
31:31
But I don't want young men #1 to, to have a sense of nihilism,
31:35
like it's all just a waste of time and energy.
31:37
You know, your life is meaningful, valuable,
31:39
purposeful. You can have a family and a life
31:42
in the future and lead people to Christ and do what God has
31:44
appointed you to do. And and in addition to that, a
31:48
lot of men will use this as an excuse to do nothing.
31:52
It's like, well, the system is broken, so burn it.
31:54
And this is the kind of burn it all down.
31:57
But all that is, is deconstructionism from the
31:59
right. And deconstruction is always
32:01
just burn it all down. Well, OK, but if you burn the
32:04
house down, what are we going to live in?
32:06
Do you have a build plan to replace it with something
32:08
better? Because the truth is we're all
32:10
sinners by nature and choice. And it's a it's a broken, flawed
32:13
world. And even if there was a perfect
32:15
system, the sinners would ruin it.
32:17
Because that's what we do for sure.
32:20
We will never have heaven on earth.
32:22
It has always been pretty bad. Like America was born out of a
32:26
pretty bad society and then America has become a pretty bad
32:29
society. Like evil and wickedness are on
32:33
this in this world. Yeah, No, it's it will.
32:35
And as Christians, we believe in the curse.
32:36
We believe in the fall, which means we need to be primarily
32:40
committed to evangelism. If you think that the solution
32:43
is political, all politics can do is give you freedom to preach
32:46
the gospel and then the Gospels would actually transforms and
32:49
changes people. So unless they really get saved,
32:52
born again and discipled to be mature in their faith, nothing
32:56
changes. It's just it's hypocrisy from
32:58
the right and it's perversion from the left. 100 percent,
33:01
100%. So yeah, I think those are
33:04
really wise words for the young men.
33:06
I think it's there's so many extremes right now.
33:08
There's the red pill. There's not black pill, which is
33:11
nihilism and then the woke right and the like.
33:16
It is hard to the pendulum's just swinging, and young men are
33:20
trying to figure it out. And the answer's always going to
33:22
be Jesus. And the Bible is a pretty good
33:25
instruction manual for what we should be doing as young men.
33:28
Yeah, and I raised, you know, our five kids in, you know,
33:31
urban Seattle. Yep, which is a super majority
33:35
of just progressivism and now has a mayor that is a complete
33:40
buffoon, 0 qualification socialist.
33:44
And my hope was I'm going to lead people to Jesus and I'm
33:47
going to raise a family and build my marriage and invest in
33:50
our children. And so, you know, at the end of
33:54
the day, some people met Jesus and I have a family that I love
33:57
and I'm very, very grateful for. And, and everybody else is
34:00
responsible for their decisions. But if it keeps you from, you
34:05
know, doing evangelism, talking to others about Jesus, getting
34:08
married and starting a family, then all of a sudden you have
34:12
lost the opportunity to actually enjoy your life because you
34:15
focused on all the aspects of it that are unenjoyable.
34:17
A. 100% and yeah, being deconstructing, being frustrated
34:24
with the world, being a victim, you'll never build anything and
34:27
you'll end up on meds and it's the solution is Jesus in
34:31
building something that is in your control.
34:33
Yeah. So I mean, right now, like close
34:36
this, like, I mean, you've got your son who's my grandson.
34:38
Like you know what I don't I, I have grandkids and at the end of
34:43
the day, there are tremendous blessing and joy and I want to
34:47
fight for a future that is best case scenario for them.
34:51
But I'm glad that they're here, and the God who was faithful to
34:56
me will need to be faithful to them.
34:57
Yep, 100%. And for young men, the minute
35:00
you get married and then have a kid, any sense of nihilism goes
35:04
out the window 'cause it's, it's about a world for your son and
35:08
your daughter and their kids. So I think we just focused on
35:12
ourselves way too much and we don't focus on Jesus enough.
35:16
Well, thank you for Pastor Mark for that.
35:17
I think that's super helpful. All right, the next one's going
35:20
to be fun. So getting into Sodom and
35:24
Gomorrah gay dads. So wanted to show you this clip.
35:29
Really don't want to show you this clip.
35:31
It is horrific. You want to have physical
35:35
violence after watching this clip.
35:37
Who do you want Deada or pop? No, Mama, do you want Deada or
35:46
Pop? Who do you want Dada or pop?
35:59
Nope. Do you want Dada?
36:02
You want pop? No way, Jose, I think.
36:09
Oh, you. There is no Mama.
36:12
I'm so sorry. You have Dada, You have pop. 2
36:18
choices. No Mama.
36:22
No. No Mama, Dada or pop.
36:36
No, no. So they're mocking this child.
36:38
Yeah, it just, it makes me want to cry.
36:41
And violence. I mean, it's like you're, you're
36:47
mocking a child, you're mocking your own child.
36:53
You're and the truth is, the child does have a mother
36:55
somewhere. Yeah, it didn't come out of him.
36:58
No, no, no. These guys are.
36:59
Occult They bought this kid. It was a surrogate, so they paid
37:02
some woman to have their child. Yeah.
37:05
And so they're, you know, I mean, you know, the child
37:08
doesn't fully understand what they're saying, but there is a
37:12
mother and, and so. He wants his mom.
37:17
I'm Indy, You can spend the day with me.
37:20
He wants his mom. He loves his mom way more than
37:23
me, like he loves his dad. He respects his dad.
37:26
We have a great relationship, but he wants his mom.
37:28
So there is, there is literally a, a physical, spiritual bond
37:32
between a mother and child. And because the child is, you
37:37
know, is created and cultivated within the woman.
37:41
And so the biology on this is breathtaking.
37:44
And it's shocking. But there's a there's a, there's
37:47
a connection at a biological and a spiritual level between a
37:50
mother and child. And so, yeah.
37:53
So surrogacy then removes that child from that mother, which is
37:56
damaging to both the mother and the child.
37:58
So gays should not be able to adopt.
38:02
Gays should not be able to do parenting.
38:05
They have a mental health problem the older.
38:07
They were likely sexually abused, so they're gay.
38:11
So then they have a child that will likely be sexually abused.
38:15
Well, and so at the end of the day, it's like, you know, pulses
38:18
in Romans one. I'm just going to get clearer as
38:20
this as I get older. He says it's unnatural and and
38:24
they exchange natural relations with women for unnatural
38:27
relations. And so the lifestyle does not
38:29
produce life. Therefore the lifestyle should
38:32
not be parenting life and and a man and a woman can produce
38:37
life, should they? So they should be able to parent
38:39
life. And if for some reason there's a
38:40
biological problem and they need to do, you know, they want to do
38:43
adoption or foster care or, or other things or try and use, you
38:47
know, fertility mechanisms to have a child.
38:49
That is that is that is working through a brokenness in the
38:54
biology homosexual relationship. The biology is non reproductive.
39:00
God created this act so that it does not produce parents and
39:06
life. And so yeah, I, I am against the
39:10
same sex couples being married. I'm against them adopting
39:13
children. I'm against them doing
39:15
surrogacy. I'm against them doing foster
39:18
care. And it is a, it is sexual
39:22
perversion. I mean being gay and married.
39:25
And it's why are you gay? I mean, were you, were you
39:28
abused? Is there trauma?
39:29
Do you have a porn addiction? You know, what is the trigger
39:32
and cause? Or are you just a pervert either
39:34
way? But then to mock a child.
39:37
I I mean it describes who they are.
39:39
And to mock your child. And then to put it online, the
39:43
Internet, thinking that this is entertaining or interesting when
39:48
it's actually horrifying and madding.
39:51
It's it's very madding. Any Christian man with a kid is
39:54
like, I'm going to kill him. It's like if you if this is the
39:57
kind of parent you are, you just prove that you shouldn't have a
39:59
child. For sure shouldn't.
40:01
And to prove that point I wanted to share 2 recent cases that are
40:06
being tried right now. Gay couple William and Zachary
40:10
Zuluk adopted 2 young brothers and then repeatedly raped them,
40:14
made CSAM which is child porn, pimped him to a pedophile ring
40:20
and they're both being sentenced to 100 years in jail.
40:24
And then the second case in the UK, gay couple Jamie and John
40:29
had a 13 month old infant placed for adoption.
40:33
They sexually assaulted him to the point of killing him after
40:37
three months sexually assaulting an infant boy.
40:41
So this is horrific, evil, demonic, and being gay is
40:46
horrific, evil and demonic. Well, and I don't know if we're
40:49
going to show the RFK clip, but then then we have the
40:51
administration prior outlawing Christians from parenting.
40:54
Yeah, I think we should roll that clip and then get get into
40:57
kind of the juxtaposition in our culture right now is is awful.
41:01
President Trump and the first lady who has been extraordinary
41:04
for us to work with, have said their vision as one family per
41:10
one for one child. Right now we have a 2 to one
41:14
ratio. And part of the reason for that
41:17
is that the Biden administration was excluding an entire class of
41:22
people because of their religious beliefs and told the
41:24
states to actually pass laws, instructed them to pass laws
41:29
refusing families who had religious certain religious
41:33
beliefs, mainly Christian religious beliefs, to not be
41:36
allowed to have children. And that dramatically
41:39
constricted the pool of available parents.
41:42
That's horrifying. I mean, if you're gay, you can
41:45
have the child even though your lifestyle cannot produce life.
41:50
If you are heterosexual married Christian couple that has a
41:55
lifestyle that can produce life and maybe you've already
41:58
successfully raised and parented children or in the process of
42:02
doing so you are denied from raising children because of the
42:06
trans cult that dominated America in a previous
42:11
administration I. Mean.
42:13
It's why we have really good friends.
42:14
Probably the best parents I know, some of the best boys I've
42:18
ever met. And they were trying to adopt
42:20
during the Biden administration through foster care and they
42:23
couldn't do it and took two years.
42:25
And they're like, well, I guess, I guess we, we can't do it.
42:29
And they felt called by God to do it.
42:30
And I I think this is unearthing exactly why they couldn't
42:34
because they were a godly Christian home.
42:36
Totally. That's disgusting.
42:38
It is completely disgusting and and you look at it and this is
42:40
where it leading to the next segment with even you know,
42:44
Christians air quotes that were for Kamala Harris who carried.
42:49
I mean, she's part of the Biden administration.
42:51
She she was just the awake member of the leadership.
42:55
Chews away just on drugs all the.
42:56
Time yeah, but but at the end of the day, it's like, OK, so we're
42:59
going to we're going to push a a very anti life, pro death agenda
43:05
of abortion. And Harris and Waltz were
43:08
abortion up to birth the most radical draconian murderous
43:13
ticket in the history of the nation.
43:15
We know for a fact that they were targeting pro-life groups
43:18
and pro-life protesters that are even peaceably protesting.
43:23
And then if a child makes it out of the womb somehow
43:27
miraculously, we're going to give it to a same sex couple
43:31
that hates God. And if the Christians would like
43:35
to open their home and raise a child, they're discriminated
43:39
against in the name of tolerance and diversity.
43:43
It's, it's this is, you know, woe to those who call evil good
43:46
and good evil and light darkness and darkness light.
43:48
I mean, it's just, it is an upside down world.
43:51
So then when you have Christian leaders that are coming out and
43:53
saying, and you should vote for this kind of ticket, literally
43:58
what you are is at that point you are a false teacher.
44:02
You're leading people astray. Yep.
44:04
And you know, I, I, I, of course, I pastor a church and
44:08
we've seen this, I've seen this my entire career.
44:11
I mean, I spent my 1st 20 years in downtown Seattle and
44:14
Christian couples trying to do foster care, trying to do
44:17
adoption, just law fair against them and having to sign things
44:22
like, you know, I will you know, give LGBTQIA curriculum and
44:27
education to the child. It's like, well the child's too
44:30
so or child's 4. So I don't know why I need to
44:33
sign a statement talking about genitalia and sexual pleasure.
44:38
It's a child. What we're going to learn to do
44:40
is read and write and eat soup. And so this is where America has
44:46
been dominated by a perverse, oppressive, demonic cult of
44:51
sexuality that is transgender, that is gay and non binary and
44:56
all together Antichrist. And, and if everybody held that
45:00
ideology, the the nation would cease to exist in a generation.
45:04
There would be. It would go so quick.
45:05
That's why we're allowing open borders, because we have
45:08
declining population. And so, yeah, to me, this is
45:12
just, it's reprehensible. But to see men mocking a child
45:18
and to think that it's funny and then to post it on the Internet
45:22
thinking that the rest of us would find their perspective
45:25
helpful is breathtaking and shocking.
45:28
And it just goes to show a a young child needs a mother,
45:35
needs a mother. And I mean, I've, I've got a
45:37
grandson who's about this exact same age, probably literally
45:40
within a few weeks of each other.
45:42
This just goes to prove that you need a mom, because a mom sure
45:47
as hell ain't going to do this to a child.
45:48
Smack that guy. And and and a mom is a caregiver
45:52
and a nurturer and and she bursts the child and she is the
45:55
best person to raise the child one. 100 percent, 100%.
45:59
And well, I just thought I'd make this transition.
46:02
Pastor Mark. Speaking of gay men, I want to
46:05
show you a clip of David French. You didn't call him gay.
46:09
I did. I'm not saying he's strong, I'm
46:11
saying. I'm furious at the Republican
46:17
Party and I definitely wanted to punish them.
46:19
And I'm furious at the Republican Party because what it
46:21
did in service of Donald Trump was it took out the pro-life
46:25
plank in the Republican Party platform.
46:27
There's no more call for the human life amendment.
46:29
It's now a functionally pro-choice platform by state.
46:32
Livid about that, too. And I talked about that.
46:34
And I would never vote for Kamala Harris.
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And you lived in a red state during this time.
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And so you know that electorally your vote was not contributing
46:41
to her victory and wouldn't really in practicality hold
46:44
Donald Trump, Trump accountable. So it was so important to your
46:47
conscience to vote for the, I think rapidly more pro abortion
46:51
candidate in Kamala Harris. And that's hard for me to
46:54
square. And also my problem, Allie Beth,
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is I'm looking at a world where under that dude, abortions went
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up for 40 years before. But for lots of reasons, as we.
47:05
Already talked about, yes, but say.
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He is not the monocausal. It's not monocausal.
47:10
But he's part of it. I believe he's part of it and
47:12
also what? What did he do that caused
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abortions to rise? What I'm saying is, as I said
47:17
earlier, this is a man who contributed to extraordinarily
47:21
extraordinary growth in libertinism, especially on.
47:24
The right Do we have data that shows us that it's more people
47:28
on the right that we're getting abortions under Donald?
47:29
Trump the whole I, I don't, we don't have data.
47:32
OK, so tell me what you can prove that Donald Trump
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contributed to the rise in abortion.
47:36
If you have 40 years of uninterrupted decline in
47:39
abortion, 40 years and then you have an increase in abortion in
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2017 and you have an increase in abortion.
47:46
And you don't think it has anything to do with the
47:47
president who was in office 8 years before that?
47:50
Well, the president was office 8 years before that.
47:52
He had 330,000 fewer abortions. But you don't think that his
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policy or his? I do think their.
47:58
Policy had any like contribution to the increase in abortion?
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I'm just looking for like. Think his policies.
48:05
Is that just a theory that you have or his?
48:07
Policies contributed to the decrease in abortion and.
48:11
Do you? OK, Well, I'm interested in
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which policies specifically, but which policies for Trump
48:16
contributed to the increase in abortion under Trump in 2017?
48:20
He had just become. President, I think it's the
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cultural effect of Donald Trump. OK, so you think the cultural
48:24
effect of Donald Trump made MAGA more libertine, which I wouldn't
48:28
necessarily disagree on that. For me, I see it more in the
48:30
endorsement of gay marriage and all of that kind of stuff, which
48:33
I'm adamantly against. Do you have any data that shows
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that it's MAGA that was getting more abortions?
48:37
Because that's the only way your argument makes sense.
48:41
I like Ali. She's great.
48:43
She's great and she did a great job.
48:46
And and So what what you'll get is soft woke, soft progressive
48:56
air quote. Christians are given platforms
48:59
and they're given platforms because the left wants to find a
49:03
way to deconstruct conservative, Bible based, heterosexual
49:09
masculine Christianity. And so David French is part of
49:13
the problem. He's over at the New York Times
49:16
as a columnist, but he's in the same ideology and ecosphere as
49:19
like Christian today. And most of your, most of your
49:24
soft will Christian denominations, Bible colleges,
49:27
seminaries, which are all dying and closing because young men
49:30
are returning to faith, but they're not returning to that
49:32
form of faith. Young men are not.
49:35
And so he's, he's about my age. I think he's about 57.
49:39
I'm 55. My generation is a damnable
49:46
failure in Christian leadership, a damnable failure.
49:51
And it started early on. I didn't grow up in
49:53
evangelicalism. Let me get to the kind of the
49:56
how we got here. I didn't grow up in
49:57
evangelicalism. I, I grew up son of a drywaller,
50:01
Jack Catholic. I get saved reading the Bible.
50:04
And so I go to good Bible teaching church.
50:08
And then, you know, my, my, my platform starts to grow and I
50:12
start getting invited into media opportunities.
50:15
And then I get invited into the heart of evangelicalism to
50:17
publish and to speak and to write.
50:19
And I quickly find that theologically I agree with the
50:24
founders of evangelicalism like the GI Packers and the Francis
50:27
Schaeffer's and the Billy Graham's.
50:29
I do not fit within evangelicalism politically or or
50:34
leadership style whatsoever. And within the the center of
50:39
evangelicalism, it's, it's very weak, it's soft woke, it's very
50:44
feminine, it's very nuanced. And it is only and always
50:48
punching to the right, never to the left.
50:50
And it started when I was a young man, probably about your
50:54
age. There was something called the
50:55
emerging church. So they brought together a bunch
50:57
of young leaders and then it morphed into the emerging church
50:59
and it became the deconstruction of conservative masculine
51:04
Christianity and this subtle movement of deconstructionism on
51:09
the right. It started when I was a young
51:11
man and I was probably at Ground Zero with guys like Rob Bell and
51:16
Brian McLaren and Tony Jones and Doug Padgett.
51:19
And today they would be sort of the the guys that are in the
51:23
same camp as a David French as a Christian today it's all that
51:27
same swamp. And so for me, it, it means that
51:32
they're moving to the left, but it starts with asking questions
51:37
and then it moves to subtle compromises.
51:41
But over time, the slide is always to the left.
51:44
And then you get to the point where there's a there's a,
51:47
there's a pressure point of fulcrum, like within an
51:49
election, it's like, well, who are you voting for?
51:52
And then they come out of the closet and they're like Kamala
51:55
Harris. You're like, OK, so so you're
51:58
taking the most murderous abortion pro trans ticket in the
52:05
history of the nation and stamping Jesus on it because you
52:10
absolutely hate Donald Trump and you're so driven by bitter envy
52:16
and selfish ambition to quote the book of James, you hate this
52:19
man so much that you will align with someone who is not only
52:23
against him, but against Jesus Christ.
52:27
I mean, everything that David French is for like James
52:31
Talarico, he's defended him and James Talarico said Jesus was
52:36
pro abortion and French has defended him and won't won't say
52:40
he's not a Christian. He is now.
52:42
He's now supporting French supports same sex marriage.
52:46
Like you are taking a demonic ideology and stamping Jesus on
52:50
it and you're not a Christian first.
52:53
You're a politician first. You're demonic first, and then
52:57
you're you're confusing everybody by calling yourself
52:59
the Christian columnist. Like this is very dangerous,
53:04
especially for all these new young men that have become
53:07
Christians 'cause they walk in and they're like, is that it?
53:11
No, So they follow Charlie Kirk. He's courageous, he's not a
53:15
coward, he's clear, he's not nuanced, and he is a Christian
53:19
conservative. And and so those young men are
53:24
not going to fall. This is they're not going to go
53:26
to. So these these are the guys too.
53:28
So David, if you just photocopied them, these are the
53:30
guys that run all the Bible colleges.
53:32
These are the guys that run all the seminaries.
53:34
They run a lot of the networks. They run the denominations, they
53:37
run the publishing houses, they run the conferences.
53:41
Smarmy academic. We never know anything about
53:45
their marriage. We never know anything about
53:47
their children. Like did they lead at home?
53:50
Is there any fruit in their life?
53:51
Because first Timothy 3 Titus one, if you want to be a leader
53:53
in the church, like, well, what's your life and your
53:55
marriage and your family like? That's your resume.
53:58
Well, this guy, David French, his wife, her Twitter says she
54:01
lives in a different state. And then he stopped wearing his
54:04
wedding ring when he speaks. Yeah.
54:07
And people are jumping to conclusions and we don't need to
54:09
but if. Grace lived in another state.
54:14
Well, that's where too. Like where's your family?
54:15
Where's your flock? And so these these sort of
54:18
ideological pontificators, it's like they don't have a family
54:22
that we know about. I mean, it's, it's usually
54:24
hidden and they don't have any flock.
54:27
It's like, well, where is where is the fruit of your ideology?
54:31
Like, well, I'm not investing in any people.
54:34
Then you're not doing ministry. You're just a, you're a, you're
54:37
a left wing blowhard who is criticizing the right and
54:42
getting paid to do so because you were a tool of
54:45
deconstruction on the right. And whether or not you love
54:48
Donald Trump, what I said going into the election was there's
54:51
personalities and there's policies.
54:54
And when you vote you, you better emphasize the policies
54:58
because you can have a very nice person who's evil.
55:00
You can have a very kind person who is incompetent.
55:05
At this point, you know, I don't need the president of the United
55:10
States of America to be the pastor for the United States of
55:12
America. I just need them to get all the
55:15
debris off the runway so that we can do Christian life. 100% I
55:21
mean, for like this week, he's the White House reads the Bible,
55:25
he's reading the Bible and on TV and everybody want Christians
55:31
want to criticize him, talk about how awful he is.
55:34
And yeah, he's he's making a couple missteps on social media
55:37
specifically. But the in all of history and
55:41
especially biblical history, the Israelites would have, I mean,
55:44
cheered to have a guy like Trump in office rather than a Pagan
55:48
king that was sacrificing children.
55:50
He doesn't even need to be a Christian as long as his
55:53
policies are. For they're not against us.
55:55
At least not against us. Just give me neutral.
55:58
It'd be great if the president was positive toward
56:00
conservative, you know, heterosexual Christianity.
56:04
Give me neutral. Don't give me complete negative
56:08
where they are, you know, encroaching socialism, stealing
56:12
money from hard working men to fund things that are against our
56:15
God, against heterosexuality, against our children and our
56:20
family and our faith. Don't take my money to do things
56:23
that are against my God. At least be neutral.
56:26
But you know, I am very glad that in the election President
56:30
Trump won. I I'm very glad.
56:32
I mean the fact that we were going to hand over the country
56:36
to again, even even on the life issue, if you're a Christian,
56:40
the most pro death murderous. She pledged well and she even
56:46
said too, that there wouldn't be exceptions for religious
56:49
conviction. And so now you're you would be
56:52
looking at even Christian organizations having to fund and
56:55
support abortion in violation of conscience.
56:58
I mean, you know, and make no mistake, I mean Tim Waltz and
57:01
Kamal Harris, they both claim to be Christians, but they're
57:03
progressive, mainline denomination, apostate, false
57:08
teacher type of pseudo Christians.
57:11
They're using Jesus, yeah. Yeah, and I appreciate Ali
57:14
Bastucke kind of pushing the point, but again, over and over
57:18
and over, it's soft men that are literally progressive in their
57:23
heart because they are effeminate and soft.
57:26
They're triggered by strong men like Donald Trump.
57:29
We don't know anything about their families.
57:31
They don't have a flock. And the truth is nobody is
57:35
following them. I mean, like, like this
57:38
ideology, there's not going to be a surge of young men who are
57:41
saying, tell me more. Where do I sign up for the
57:43
newsletter 'cause I want to be discipled by this guy.
57:47
But that's my whole generation. And it's a freaking
57:49
embarrassment. It's tragic.
57:51
We should have, we should have had a generation of fathers.
57:54
And instead we have, we have soft book beta males and
57:57
cowards. And, and now that God is
58:00
activated, a young generation of men coming to church, they're
58:03
having a hard time finding spiritual fathers and leaders
58:07
and, and, and, and even if you're, even if you're an older
58:11
Christian man, your, your job is to be helpful.
58:13
Fighting Donald Trump all day is not helpful.
58:15
Helping young men figure out how do you get activated, discipled,
58:20
get married, buy a house, have some kids.
58:22
That's being helpful. And this is just, I don't know,
58:26
this is building a platform by attacking a man because you're
58:29
triggered by him because he's strong and you're weak and he's
58:33
hard and you're soft. 100 percent, 100%.
58:37
Super helpful. Pastor Mark.
58:38
Yeah, today's show is interesting.
58:39
We we talked a lot about weak, soft men that don't seem to have
58:43
courage to deliver the actual gospel.
58:47
Since Genesis 3, that's the problem.
58:49
Weeks off passive men. It's always the.
58:52
Problem it's always the problem and they they seem to misstep
58:56
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