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Weekend Recap, ISU over TCU, Iowa falls to Oregon, Bill Seals on the Cyclones & Scott Dochterman talks Hawkeyes & college football · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Hi, good afternoon. Welcome, Miller and Condon on a
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  Monday. It's the Iowa Sports Radio
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  Network. Trent Condon and Ken Miller for
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  the next couple of hours talking sports with you.
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  Thanks for starting your afternoon here with us.
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  Here's what's coming up on our program and our number one, Bill
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  Seals will join us. First of all, he's here about
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  12:20. We'll recap Iowa State's
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  improbable, I think, right? Certainly didn't seem like it
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  was. There was a lot of folks that
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  were picking the clones to watch March into TCU and win.
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  But Campbell did it again. Hats off to him.
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  Bill Seals coming up on football and a basketball game tonight as
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  well as TJ squad takes on Mississippi State over in the
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  western part of the state and we'll get into that with Bill
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  Seals. He'll join us in 20 minutes.
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  Then Scott Doctorman, who covers college football for the
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  athletic. He was at Kinnock Stadium
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  watching Oregon and Iowa. He was, I am guessing my Co host
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  was and we'll get to that in a second hour.
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  Number two, Bam and Bob Trenton. I will recap a pretty good
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  weekend at college football. Dave Cynic and he covers the
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  Packers for his own coverage.com.
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  He'll give us a few minutes on tonight's Monday night matchup
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  between the Packers and the Philadelphia Eagles.
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  Mr. Monday night. We'll pick the game before we
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  get out of here and turn things over and off the bench with Sean
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  and Lucas. They take you from 2:00 until
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  5:00. So we'll, I guess we'll start
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  with just the weather at Kennick.
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  Raining miserable. Not as bad as you'd think, it
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  really. It really wasn't and.
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  I thought you'd be like a drown rat.
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  I really did. It was throughout the day, you
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  know, misting sprinkles, a couple of pours here and there.
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  We had a couple of tents set up, though, so they kind of duck
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  under there. I told you this is kind of our
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  biggest tailgate of the year. So a lot of friends that I
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  hadn't seen in a while. So that made it a little better
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  too, you know, having guys like Melton, Rick, Rick's that I
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  don't see very often. So had a couple of those guys
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  there. But yeah, overall during the
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  game, it wasn't nearly as cold as I thought it was going to be.
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  Now, as things started to seep in a little bit deeper and he
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  got into the fourth quarter. But really the coldest moment is
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  when we got back to central Iowa and dropped one of my buddies
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  off at his car and we parked at Prairie Meadows, dropped him off
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  there, just getting out and helping him get a couple of
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  things out of the car. That was by far the coldest.
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  The wind was blowing, yes. At that point in that part.
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  Wasn't as windy in Iowa cities. It was here.
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  At least not in our spot. Okay, so we're over on the east
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  stands, Section 109. And yeah, just in that area.
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  It was not nearly what I thought.
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  Now my wife also came along. And you think no complaints?
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  No, she was excellent. And now the game got out of
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  hand, right. You put it back, she was she was
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  gonna hop into with a another group and they were gonna head
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  early a couple of ways. We're already planning that one
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  out West. But that was not the case as we
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  know and the way it played out. But yes, I was very surprised.
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  I thought it was going to be miserable.
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  Much better than I anticipate. Good stuff.
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  The game itself was it was a really fun game to watch.
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  You know, like last year or a couple years now ago removed
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  from Cooper to Jean and and the fan base having that moment that
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  was and then wasn't obviously kind of felt not to that extent
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  because that was so sudden, obviously with the gene.
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  But the 92 yard drive kind of felt like a moment, right?
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  And it was a moment. And then it was taken away by by
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  Oregon who was able to pull out the football game.
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  Like a lot of folks thought that that that I would could win.
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  We were amongst them and they almost pulled the damn thing off
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  into their, to Oregon's credit, found a way.
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  Just a perfect pass. Just perfect.
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  I don't know what Hall could do differently.
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  I don't know what he could do differently.
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  He was all over legally. Not, not not all over him.
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  Pass interference wise, it was a perfectly thrown ball.
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  I'm not sure how the receiver #4 what's his name?
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  Benson. I'm not sure how he saw it.
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  He was going to talk crap after the game.
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  Was he? Yeah.
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  But But regardless of that, it was a it was a spectacular play
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  that set them up for the ultimately the the game-winning
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  field goal and Oregon stays alive.
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  And I would now probably on the outside looking in.
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  You know, you can say, well, look back for the ball, that
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  that's the only thing. If he looks back for the ball,
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  he might be gone for a touchdown.
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  I mean, it was such an incredible throw.
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  He threw it in the bucket. The coverage was as good as he
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  can have. If he turns back, I don't know
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  if he even sees the ball in time.
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  It like there, there's you're right.
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  There's very little that you can point to him and say, oh, yeah,
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  that's that's the reason you lost it.
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  And credit to that offensive staff, Will Stein and company
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  and that first down play that run the ball because it just
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  seemed like it kept Iowa on the hairs just a touch.
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  Well. Maybe they are going to run, you
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  know. Because they were doing pretty
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  well running. Absolutely.
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  And they were gouging Iowa throughout the course of the
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  game, 261 yards and just bullying them up front, which I
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  think was a surprise. I mean, they're missing the
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  right tackle, they're down a bunch of receivers.
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  He knew what the game plan still was going to be and they were
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  able to do it time in and time out.
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  But I thought that play on 1st down, but they weren't moving
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  real quick either. Like they've been going to get a
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  field goal off. So we had a group of Oregon fans
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  in front of us and when Atticus comes out for the first kick,
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  like this isn't going to go well and he hit three of them and he
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  goes 3 for three and kickers again, guys that have hit issues
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  in their career. Kyle Karardi's hit a couple of
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  50 plus yarders against him. Now here's this guy that has
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  been much maligned by Oregon fans and he's able to do it and
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  knock in yet another one. You know, a whisker here, a
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  whisker there for the people that are just going back to the
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  old line. Well, it's 12 losses in a row
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  against ranked teams. If you think this is in the same
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  ballpark as what we saw in the previous about 10 games now,
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  it's not close. They were non competitive in
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  those games. They were blown out in those
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  games. This one, they're If a what?
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  A coulda A shoulda away from beating two of the 10 best teams
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  in the. Country had them on the ropes.
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  If both of them, it's not the same conversation that we're
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  having when they're getting blown out.
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  Right by by three touchdowns, right?
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  Yeah, No, this isn't the case. This is different.
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  Yes it still stinks to have that losing streak against ranked
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  teams, but it's a completely different conversation.
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  The 12 all-encompassing are not even close.
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  Most do the same. Thing no, this is this is a
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  pretty good football team. Iowa is and they'll head W take
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  on USC. I'll watch the USC game against
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  Northwestern on Friday night. Wasn't blown away by any means.
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  No first half Northwestern was Northwestern was a better team.
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  Oh absolutely by a better fumble on the 1 yard line.
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  Oh boy. Going in, yeah, the USC is a
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  very is this a winnable game for Iowa despite the fact it's going
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  West and I know that doesn't work out well.
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  Most of the time I was stayed. On the other hand, Trent, tip of
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  the cap back Campbell, I don't know how you do it.
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  They're seemingly his tenure at I was, I'm not saying every
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  year, but a handful of times since he's been there, he's
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  taken a team that just looked dead to rights, dead to rights
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  and found a way to win a football game.
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  And that's what they did their secondary.
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  They lost more guys. They were already depleted going
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  into it. And TCU is a really good
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  offensive team, particularly through the air.
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  And some of these young dudes, you have no idea who they are
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  out on the field making plays when you need them.
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  And the play call for by Campbell to go for it when he
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  called the timeout punt team looks like they're coming out.
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  And he decides, you know, well, let's go win the football game.
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  And Rocco Beck pulls that bootleg.
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  Nobody saw it coming. Kind of like when Peyton did it
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  against the the Cowboys that one time.
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  Peyton Manning, nobody saw it coming and the game ends at that
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  point. Carson Hansen, another really
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  good day running the football. The number of drops that
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  continue to plague this receiving core.
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  It's just befuddling to me. It really and truly is.
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  But well done, I state, well done.
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  Your bowl eligible, I thought, and I'm sure a lot of your fan
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  base, maybe they wouldn't admit this thought that you know what,
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  we'll get the bye week cans can be.
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  Thank God Oklahoma State's still on the schedule.
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  There's not going to be any post season and right now I'd sign
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  for Memphis. It's drivable.
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  You can make it a cheaper trip if you want to go right.
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  But now you got bigger, now you got bigger goals, right, Because
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  there's you've got your bowl eligibility and you would have
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  to think that 7 minimum, maybe 8 because Kansas isn't great
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  shakes by any means. But Campbell did it again.
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  John Haycock was unbelievable in that football game with some of
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  his play calls. Just never saw it coming again.
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  I just Flora the punt return. This guy's been, you know,
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  before he got hurt, obviously trending in an upward direction.
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  Then he comes back and they think, God, is this the best we
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  got? And why do we continue to run
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  this kid off for what he saw? Because that was remarkable what
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  he was able to do. He's got a little giddy up to
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  him, doesn't he? He does, yeah.
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  He had some speed over at Adm He.
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  Must have, and obviously it's carried over to the Big 12
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  because those boys were not catching him on that particular
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  play. But well done, Iowa State.
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  In a game where your quarterback goes 9 to 24 yeah throws, 2
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  interceptions, you have to run Carson Hansen a ton.
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  The averages under 4 yards a carry.
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  The other team puts up 319 yards through the air, has another 100
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  plus yards on the ground and you find a way.
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  You bend it, don't break. How do you find a way?
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  Well, I thought one of the biggest numbers here is what
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  they did on 3rd and 4th down. You mentioned the 4th down
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  conversion. That Cap did 8 of 16 on 3rd
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  down, two or three on 4th down. That's how you do it.
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  When the other team double s you up in first downs, you have 15.
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  Pretty good number. They have 30 and you hold them
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  to 17 points. Amazing.
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  It's witchcraft. Yeah, smoking mirrors.
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  It's what we talked about with Haycock and what felt like we
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  were missing at times and doing it with this depleted roster,
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  that is a program victory. That is something well put.
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  That is something that most programs don't do.
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  Nope. I got everybody spayed on.
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  I was throwing dirt on the grave.
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  Oh, absolutely. We're done.
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  I was right there with you. Done.
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  Love TCU Lee in the 6 1/2 yes that's pretty square.
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  Didn't yes, shocked that it didn't go.
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  Over 7 that magic number. Get her while you can.
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  Yes, there was a lot of that last week.
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  Not just here, national people. No, not just here.
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  You're absolutely right. Nationally, big, big spot.
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  Here's the other thing, and I don't know if this came up at
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  the press conference, Campbell going for 2 when Bramer scored
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  the early in the football game, Ben Bramer was not running the
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  football. If you notice it, that from the
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  camper from behind the play, he's got Berkel who had thrown
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  his block and he was trying to slide out into the end zone to
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  his right. I'm convinced and I hope this
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  gets asked him or if it hasn't already been addressed, Bramer
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  was throwing the football to his running mate.
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  It was going to Berkel because you could see him make his cut.
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  He's running through the end zone when obviously the play
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  blew up. But this was not meant for Ben
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  Bramer, who's got these. You know, his bell rung the week
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  before and I was, I was actually surprised because he was in the
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  football game to begin with, but that was not meant for him.
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  I'm convinced of that. Anyways, well done, but well
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  done. Iowa State.
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  Iowa, if it would have, should have again this week.
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  It just. And now the playoff hopes are
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  dead. Yeah, they.
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  I I mean, there's a slim now they're dead.
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  It's so slim. It's so slim.
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  Because there's no quality to those victories.
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  Your best win would be against USC and look at what's happening
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  in the SEC. I can get six teams in. 5 for
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  sure. And I think they're gonna get 6.
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  So does that give Big 12 only one in your scenario?
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  I think so, because I think Texas Tech is just gonna
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  pulverize unless you talk and upset Tech in the championship
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  game, and that's the only team I could see that could do it.
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  And that was a pretty good fight as you mentioned throughout this
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  fall months, I was pretty good fight to the fourth quarter.
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  Final score was not indicative. No, it wasn't I I'm with you.
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  I think you're probably right. ACC is only getting one.
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  I mean that fraud, Virginia. Final Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  I want you to pump the brakes. Why are they getting one?
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  You. Well, yeah, Why?
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  Well, they got their their champion gets it.
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  Not automatically. It is the top five champions,
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  not 4 automatics. But so they you don't think that
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  necessarily their champion will be ranked higher because right
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  now the the group of five doesn't even represent it in the
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  top 25. Yet, but there is a very real
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  scenario. So let's slow down a second.
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  Yes, yes, yes. Do I have your attention
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  tomorrow night? No, no, because it doesn't
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  matter. Turn into channel.
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  We got a lot of football before it matters.
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  But all right, I'll watch. It I want to lay out this
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  scenario for you. OK, go ahead.
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  Yeah, you're making sense. Go on.
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  The Duke Blue Devils when the ACC could happen, who are still
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  one of the betting favorites. Yes.
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  They have 4 losses. They lost to Yukon.
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  They would finish. Yukons, Yukons.
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  Bowl eligible, then Yukon is fined, but still, we're talking
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  about getting into the College Football Playoff.
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  OK. Are you putting in nine and
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  four? Duke over 11 and 2 South
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  Florida, and 12:00 and 1:00 James Madison.
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  In that scenario, is that who you're putting in the College
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  Football Playoff? Those are your three choices, 9
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  and 4 Duke, 12 and 1 James Madison and 11 and two Tulane,
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  South Florida, Memphis, whoever, whatever those teams finish, and
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  by far the best conference out of the group of five.
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  Who are you putting in there? Who am I putting in there?
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  Who is the committee putting in who?
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  Should they put in there? I want to see it laid out in
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  front of me. I don't have.
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  So we're using Duke. Duke.
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  Alright, let's go through this exercise.
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  Let's use Duke Duke's schedule this year.
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  Their best win is against whom? The Dukies, they have they.
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  Have beaten or they've beaten. I won't even use Elon, NC State,
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  Syracuse, Cal, Clemson. Losses to UConn, Tulane, Tulane,
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  Georgia Tech, who I think will ultimately win it personally,
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  but in your scenario, because Virginia's not even going to get
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  there, Virginia's a fraud. Duke would have to beat
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  Virginia. I think they will.
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  I do too. Win at Carolina.
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  And they're getting better. And then beat Wake at home,
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  which will be a great game, you know, Still.
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  And they win the ACC Championship game against
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  whoever line of Georgia Tech that has a loss to Two Lane.
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  In your scenario, I would put the Group of Five representative
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  in. Both James Madison and the team
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  from the American. No, I think you're only going to
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  get one. I I can't.
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  I I think there'd be a revolt. Well, good.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good.
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  I mean, we're all for chaos. I don't know.
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  That's, that's interesting, Trent, That is interesting.
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  But one ACC. Yep, Yep.
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  One group of five. One Big 12, probably because I'm
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  with you. I think Texas Tech is just on a
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  different level. Three from the Big 10?
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  Yep, because Oregon Snell now can afford one more loss split
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  against Washington and USC. They'll still be.
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  In and I think they'll probably sweep them personally, but.
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  And then the rest is SEC and the rest is the SEC.
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  We'll talk to Bill Seals on the other side.
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  It's remarkable. Matt Campbell, do it all the
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  time, should learn not to doubt you, but you can't have to.
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  But he did it again. Let's see if we can get another
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  Take away from the big from the NFL Yesterday was what before we
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  get the Bill Seals take away. From the NFL yesterday, What?
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  What do you have? I have I, I think there are four
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  teams and they both play against each other in two games this
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  week. The winner of the Super Bowl.
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  I'll, I'll, I'll go one step further than this.
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  I will give you 28 teams. You give me Detroit,
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  Philadelphia, Seattle and the Rams.
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  You can have the Chiefs, have the Broncos, have the Colts.
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  I think the Super Bowl winner is an NFC team named one of these
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  Detroit, Philadelphia, LA and Seattle.
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  You're just looking for a different angle now to throw
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  dirt on the Chiefs. No I'm not.
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  I just think these teams are legitimately better.
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  Seattle's legit trend. I'm tired of telling this all
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  the last month. The Rams might be the best team
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  in football. Detroit is their arrows pointing
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  up in Philadelphia. I don't buy Green Bay.
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  I do not buy Green Bay. I don't buy your Bears.
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  Although it's a. Nice.
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  You can't. They're not they're.
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  Not going to win the Super. Bowl.
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  They're not. I don't know if they're going to
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  be in the playoffs. Maybe they'd be in a bunch of
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  garbage. Yeah, maybe.
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  They got a long ways to go. He also tried to sell me on the
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  bills. The bills are bad.
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  Bills are bad. Bills aren't.
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  Win the Super Bowl. Give up the The NFC is going to
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  win the Super Bowl this year. The NFC, all right, putting that
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  bet in. It doesn't pay enough.
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  I know you you like those big prices in your future.
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  I'm Nori Condon. Welcome back Iowa sports radio
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  network with you until 2O clock Scott Doctorman from the
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  athletic still to come this hour.
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  Let's get the Bill Seals covers Iowa State for
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  cyclonereport.com, part of the on three media network and Bill
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  joins us. I will get to Mississippi State
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  and Iowa State in a bit. But bill got to start with
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  football and Matt Campbell and company did it again.
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  Just when you thought the season was headed in the wrong
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  direction and certainly had a lot of blinking lights that was
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  headed that way, they were able to go to TCUA team.
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  That's pretty good offense, really good offensively.
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  And for the most part, Yep, they bent, but they didn't break.
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  And Iowa State comes back with a victory and they are bull
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  eligible. And I did not and I'm not alone.
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  See this one coming, Bill. No, I don't think many people
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  did Kenny and and I think it's just a tribute to how this whole
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  program is is built. And you know, I didn't, I don't
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  think it's it's lip service when when Matt talks about how, you
• 18:04
  know, this is a team that's still together, they're still
• 18:07
  plugging away, they're still trying to fix mistakes, stuff
• 18:11
  like that get over the hump. And I think that's that really
• 18:14
  was the case. I mean that the, the chemistry
• 18:16
  still there, it's a a very close knit program.
• 18:21
  And then I think those things you develop in the offseason and
• 18:24
  and that it pays off in instances like this where they
• 18:27
  just kept hanging in there and and hanging in there.
• 18:30
  And I think this was a game that Iowa State needed to to run the
• 18:34
  ball. I think that we had probably
• 18:35
  talked about that last week. They needed to run the ball,
• 18:38
  probably get a couple turnovers and and get the time of
• 18:41
  possession in their favor. And I think they're they were
• 18:44
  able to do that and got a big special teams play along along
• 18:48
  the lines there too. And wow, what a difference Aiden
• 18:53
  Flora, healthy Aiden Flora makes when he's back out there as
• 18:56
  well. You mentioned the special teams
• 18:58
  and that had been such a an issue throughout the time of
• 19:02
  Matt Campbell. This year's been weird with the
• 19:03
  Conradry injury and another injury kicker it, but you go
• 19:07
  back and you think of how many games maybe they left on the
• 19:09
  field because of special teams. They are more dedicated it feels
• 19:12
  like to that component. You mentioned Flora and just
• 19:14
  what they've done. Do you think it was Matt
• 19:16
  Campbell just looking under the hood a little bit because it
• 19:19
  does seem like there is a a lot more here these last couple of
• 19:22
  seasons, a lot more work being done on special teams, not just
• 19:25
  the specialist, but in terms of return coverage units, all the
• 19:28
  different parts of special teams.
• 19:30
  Yeah, that I think that's true. And, and I think also it's
• 19:34
  having guys to that you can quality guys, Big 12 level guys
• 19:39
  that you can play on those special teams units as well.
• 19:42
  And you know, with all the injuries that they sustained,
• 19:45
  sometimes that I think constrain the, the quality that you can
• 19:49
  dedicate to, to special teams. So I think there's a lot of guys
• 19:52
  right now that are playing both offense, special teams, defense
• 19:57
  and special teams and getting a lot of a lot of reps that way.
• 20:00
  And I don't think they they've sacrificed the quality of of
• 20:04
  that group. You know, obviously when Kyle
• 20:06
  Conradi's back, Jace Gilbert's back kicking off.
• 20:11
  The coverage units aren't as strained as they they were and
• 20:15
  you get a big special teams return like that, the first one
• 20:18
  since Matt Campbell's second season at Iowa State.
• 20:22
  So I think just a lot of things going right there at that group
• 20:26
  and a lot of confidence and as well with, you know, having a
• 20:29
  guy that can come out and make some field goals.
• 20:32
  And I think Gilbert that that that helps things with Canardi
• 20:36
  certainly not have to do kickoffs.
• 20:38
  We saw what, you know, what that circus that turned into toward
• 20:41
  the midpoint of the season. So yeah, it seems like the tone
• 20:45
  on special teams a lot different these days.
• 20:47
  Anything on Berkel? I know he left the I don't think
• 20:51
  he got back in. I'm pretty sure he didn't and
• 20:54
  and he and there'll be no press conference this week.
• 20:57
  So probably nothing till next week or have you heard anything,
• 21:00
  Bill? Well, what what Campbell said
• 21:03
  after the game was he thought that Bacon, he thought that big
• 21:08
  Caleb Bacon would be good to go. He did in that same vein,
• 21:12
  though, say that they would not know the status of Berkel for a
• 21:15
  couple days. So I think that extends with as
• 21:19
  far as the media. We don't have anything this
• 21:21
  week. So we won't know the status
• 21:23
  there until next week, probably next Tuesday at the press
• 21:26
  conference, it'll be brought up. But it didn't, it didn't look
• 21:30
  good. Kenny, I, I, I would, I, I, I
• 21:33
  hate to say this, but I'd be very surprised maybe if he
• 21:35
  hasn't played his last snap of this season, just with two games
• 21:39
  left to go and just the severity it looked like.
• 21:41
  And even if it's a strain or something like that, it it's
• 21:44
  going to be tough to come back from.
• 21:47
  Looking through the numbers that you put up over at Cyclone
• 21:50
  Report, you have the grades from PFF and once they jumped out via
• 21:55
  Ikakula played a snap freshman out of Hawaii.
• 21:59
  I don't remember this guy at all.
• 22:00
  Fill us in a little bit here and kind of a guy you can play up to
• 22:04
  four games and still maintain your red shirt, but just a guy
• 22:06
  that I just don't even remember seeing a pop up in the
• 22:09
  participation report. Yeah, he actually was a Stanford
• 22:13
  commit. Iowa State had recruited him
• 22:17
  pretty, pretty hard. He, I believe Salt Lake City
• 22:22
  West High School, they, they had a big probably 10 kids come from
• 22:26
  there and visit during a spring practice earlier in, in Vayas
• 22:32
  high school career. They recruited some of those
• 22:35
  kids and, and he, Ikakula had committed to Stanford.
• 22:40
  And I think we, we've seen with, you know, how that Stanford
• 22:43
  programs gone. I think what Baer Bachmeier was
• 22:46
  committed there and he, he ended up in it in Provo and they maybe
• 22:52
  saw the writing on the wall a little bit there with that and
• 22:55
  he flipped to Iowa State later in the process.
• 22:58
  And yeah, he was one that that Campbell had brought up.
• 23:01
  I, I believe in, in some of his preseason camp availabilities or
• 23:05
  maybe it was media day about how Vaya had a chance.
• 23:09
  I think that they won't take that well, they won't take the
• 23:12
  red shirt off of him. He's only played in the, I
• 23:15
  believe the one game now. So he's in, he's in the clear.
• 23:20
  But I think he's a foundational piece.
• 23:22
  This offensive line, they lose what, lose 2 tackles?
• 23:26
  They're going to lose Boniface in side at at center.
• 23:30
  I think Via is an interior guy, but certainly a foundational
• 23:34
  piece for the the future in Iowa State.
• 23:36
  Yeah, I think that sounds, that sounds right here.
• 23:43
  He is 355 lbs Walters. Yeah, he's, he is.
• 23:48
  He is. He is filled out, Yeah.
• 23:51
  I mean, he looks the part right now as a true freshman Big 12
• 23:55
  offensive lineman. 63355 yeah, that's a guard for sure.
• 24:01
  Fascinating stuff. Well, good stuff.
• 24:02
  So obviously nothing this week. You'll we'll we'll find out more
• 24:07
  on the injury front when they reconvene.
• 24:10
  Hey, just be just for my my, my own volition here on the two
• 24:14
  point play, the 2 when when Bramer scored and then they went
• 24:18
  for two. Do you know what I'm talking
• 24:20
  about early in the football game?
• 24:21
  And they did the direct snap to Bramer.
• 24:23
  Right. He was going to throw the ball,
• 24:26
  Bill. I'm convinced of that because
• 24:28
  Berkel, he stayed in the block, then peeled off and was running
• 24:32
  in the end zone, kind of shadowing Bramer, but they
• 24:35
  picked it up. Do you know was was?
• 24:37
  Campbell asked that. He was not actually, it was only
• 24:41
  about 4 minutes of of video from the post game.
• 24:46
  That was not something that was alluded to.
• 24:48
  But I think you, you're probably correct.
• 24:49
  I mean, they're not that they're probably not going to run too
• 24:53
  many design sneaks with a direct snap to Bramer.
• 24:57
  So I think there was something to that and and maybe it just
• 25:00
  wasn't there and he decided to to take off and run.
• 25:03
  Gotcha. I want to go over to the
• 25:06
  defensive side and of course, injuries have hit that defensive
• 25:08
  backfield so hard. We know that obviously Marcus
• 25:11
  Neil is an absolute star. I mean, just an absolute stud
• 25:14
  back there. But some of these young guys,
• 25:15
  we've been seeing more Van Denter.
• 25:17
  I go back to that game in August against K State and he's wolfing
• 25:20
  all over the field and he's definitely been out there more.
• 25:23
  Is there any of those young safeties that have started to
• 25:25
  pop a little bit for you saying, oh, I like this kid, I think
• 25:27
  he's got a chance. Give us a youngster out of that
• 25:30
  safety group. Well, I I thought that Josh is
• 25:35
  someone who should have been playing earlier in the season
• 25:38
  when some of these injuries started to happen.
• 25:41
  He he's a future star, someone that I actually it was able to
• 25:46
  catch up with in Jacksonville. I went down to a Rivals
• 25:49
  Publishers convention last July and he was at the Five Star
• 25:54
  Challenge. Patterson was was able to catch
• 25:57
  up with him. You know, he was a guy that
• 25:59
  could play cornerback, play safety.
• 26:01
  I think they pervert him a safety.
• 26:03
  That's where he ended up. And yeah, I mean, he's just got
• 26:06
  star written all over him and it's going to be a very
• 26:09
  competitive situation there. I think he he'll start the rest
• 26:13
  of the way this season. There's no dead mind about that.
• 26:17
  And then next spring, yeah, gosh, it's going to be a very
• 26:19
  competitive situation is probably like linebacker.
• 26:23
  We saw with linebackers so many guys in 2024 played and the
• 26:29
  competition there in the spring this year.
• 26:32
  Well, that's going to be the state that the the the at
• 26:35
  safety. That's going to be the way it is
• 26:37
  next spring because you know, Patterson, he's got the looks
• 26:40
  right now of being a three plus your starter as a Cyclone.
• 26:45
  He's a he's a star in the making.
• 26:48
  Real quick, Bill, basketball tonight, Mississippi State, I
• 26:51
  state go over in the western part of the state.
• 26:54
  Your thoughts on this game? Obviously it'd be nice to get
• 26:56
  Iowa State a test. Not sure what if if Mississippi
• 26:59
  State's got a threat in the SEC or not.
• 27:01
  They've only played one game that I could find.
• 27:04
  Your thoughts on what what you expect to see tonight?
• 27:08
  Well, it's going to be the obviously it's going to be the
• 27:11
  biggest challenge that this team's faced.
• 27:14
  I I should say in the regular season, that goes without
• 27:17
  saying. I think the Creighton exhibition
• 27:19
  matchup, that was a that was a unique challenge at that point.
• 27:24
  And and yeah, I mean, again, it's tough to say what with
• 27:27
  Mississippi State just with the one game and so far they did
• 27:32
  play Houston though in an exhibition that was a nine point
• 27:35
  loss. So yeah, I mean, you could
• 27:37
  compare, you could compare scores maybe a little bit there
• 27:41
  and then open the 24 point win over over North Alabama to open
• 27:45
  the regular season. So yeah, I think just obviously,
• 27:49
  you know, Chris Jans teams, it's going to be a physical match up.
• 27:53
  We're really going to get, I think our first real look at
• 27:57
  that interior game for Iowa State, how they match up in a
• 28:01
  game like this. So you know, Josh Hubbard, he,
• 28:04
  he's got, you know what, 27 points in the opener, 8 assists.
• 28:09
  I think he's one that that's certainly on the scouting report
• 28:13
  going into tonight. They didn't really shoot all
• 28:15
  that well in that game against North Alabama.
• 28:18
  I think that probably lent itself to being a little closer
• 28:22
  maybe than than what we saw. Iowa State's two blowouts were
• 28:26
  in that one, just a not a good shooting performance.
• 28:28
  Hubbard was probably the best of the lot.
• 28:31
  A guy gets to the free throw line a lot, 12 times.
• 28:35
  So, yeah, I mean, we've seen sometimes with Iowa State that
• 28:39
  that perimeter defense maybe let some guys get by early on.
• 28:44
  And I think that leads to maybe some of the posts getting into
• 28:46
  foul trouble. We've seen it with with Buchanan
• 28:49
  a little bit. So kind of got to get that shorn
• 28:52
  up. But I I'll tell you what, I did
• 28:53
  like the three guard lineup that Iowa State rolled out against
• 28:57
  scrambling. I think that's something that
• 28:59
  they can really go to when they get into the Big 12.
• 29:03
  And it's something they're not averse to to play in either.
• 29:05
  They, as TJ had mentioned, they they have done that in at times
• 29:09
  and in past seasons. We've got the personnel to do
• 29:12
  it. Good stuff.
• 29:13
  Bill Seals, cyclonereport.com, cyclonereport.com, a part of VON
• 29:17
  3 Media. Thank you, Bill.
• 29:18
  We'll talk to you next Monday. Appreciate it.
• 29:20
  Looking forward to it guys, have a good one.
• 29:22
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• 29:25
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• 29:27
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• 29:30
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• 29:32
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• 29:40
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• 29:43
  Scott Dockerman from The Athletic joins us next.
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• 29:48
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• 29:53
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• 29:55
  Network. Trenton, Ken with you until 2.
• 29:57
  Let's get right to our friend Scott Dockerman.
• 29:59
  He covers the college football, the Big 10 for the athletic,
• 30:04
  athletic. He's got this playoff
• 30:05
  projections, bowl projections up there.
• 30:07
  He had a busy week. Just when Saturday night comes
• 30:10
  and goes, that's when really kicks in for you, isn't it, Doc?
• 30:12
  Good to talk to you. How are you?
• 30:15
  Doing well, it's yeah, it's been, it's always interesting
• 30:17
  when I get done with, as soon as I get done with whatever game
• 30:21
  I'm covering, if I am covering a game that day, then I got
• 30:24
  immediately switch over to playoff projections.
• 30:27
  So I'm one of the last people leaving the press box sometimes
• 30:32
  just to try to catch in that last late game, which is what I
• 30:36
  did the other day just to make sure I got try to get it up to
• 30:39
  date. And of course it's it's
• 30:40
  worthless because tomorrow night we'll see something different.
• 30:43
  Yeah, for sure. Your projection has Iowa going
• 30:45
  back to Tampa place they haven't been in seven years, which feels
• 30:48
  like a lifetime in the Kirk Fahrens era.
• 30:51
  And of course, Iowa State you also have in the bowl game now
• 30:53
  is their bowl eligible, going to the Texas Bowl against Missouri,
• 30:58
  the nature of bowl projections and of course the playoff
• 31:01
  projection. We'll get to here in a moment,
• 31:03
  but just in general, is there a lot of misinformation out there,
• 31:06
  a lot of people that understand that, look, it's not 2015, This
• 31:10
  is not nearly as easy as it once was, kind of was slotting these
• 31:13
  teams in there. Yeah, it's it's a real matrix
• 31:17
  and especially is now when you get close to the end of a bowl
• 31:21
  cycle, which is this is year 6 of 6.
• 31:24
  So there's a lot of rules about, you know, whether Bulls can take
• 31:28
  the same team multiple years in a row or or once every six years
• 31:34
  That and you've got to add to that.
• 31:36
  Plus you've got realignment and you have the PAC 12 legacy
• 31:40
  portion of it, which they are still going to the same bowls
• 31:44
  that they were in there in the PAC 12.
• 31:46
  But and that could be aggravating, I thought.
• 31:48
  And I know Big 12 fans were irritated possibly last year
• 31:53
  with the Alamo Bowl where you had two teams in the same
• 31:55
  conference playing that because they were aligned with, you
• 31:58
  know, the PAC 12. But, you know, so in Iowa's
• 32:02
  case, I think naturally what I would say is they they would
• 32:06
  normally be a Citrus Bowl team, but they've been there twice in
• 32:09
  the last since 2021. So you've got, you know, there's
• 32:13
  options there. You know, Michigan hasn't been
• 32:15
  there for a while. So even if there's a one game
• 32:19
  difference, say Iowa finishes 9 and three in Michigan, 8 and
• 32:22
  four or something like that, that they're likely going to go
• 32:25
  ahead and take Michigan that hasn't been there for a while.
• 32:28
  And and then you've got to also figure in things like TV ratings
• 32:31
  and then travel parties, you know, there's just so much and
• 32:36
  involved. So you've got to take that into
• 32:38
  consideration. And of course, it all blows up
• 32:40
  the next week when there's an upset or something.
• 32:42
  Yeah, I love that fact of college football.
• 32:45
  Before we get to what you witnessed on Saturday night, and
• 32:47
  I don't want to talk about the the hedge funds.
• 32:49
  That's my stuff. Makes my head hurt.
• 32:52
  I do want to ask you about UCLA though, Doc, because it sounds
• 32:54
  like they are moving from the Rose Bowl as far as the regular
• 32:57
  season moving into Sofi, it's still not on campus.
• 33:01
  Obviously I don't. I'm not.
• 33:03
  So they haven't solved that problem.
• 33:05
  I'm surprised you would give up an historic venue like that for
• 33:09
  Sofi Stadium. I have not been to Sofi.
• 33:11
  By all accounts, it's it's, it's more than adequate.
• 33:15
  It's it's some would say a palace.
• 33:17
  I'm not. I'm not sure since I've never
• 33:18
  been there, but I was surprised, Doc, that you walk away from the
• 33:21
  historic Rose Bowl for Sofi Stadium if you're UCLA.
• 33:26
  Yeah, I and, and the geography there is a little bit
• 33:29
  challenging because it is, you know, as far as geographic, it's
• 33:34
  the biggest city in the country and and it takes so long to get
• 33:38
  from Westwood to Pasadena. It's it's an hour usually.
• 33:43
  And for their students, they just don't go.
• 33:45
  And, and so when you look at the Rose, the visiting team pretty
• 33:49
  much commands the most of the tickets.
• 33:51
  It's it's amazing because that one day of the year, it's the
• 33:54
  most magical sight in sports. And then the rest of the year
• 33:58
  you're looking at it going, nobody's here because it's, and
• 34:01
  it's really hard to get there. There's like one way in and, and
• 34:06
  one way out. And it's such a big stadium.
• 34:08
  So I understand that. And, and they're not, they're
• 34:11
  not as embedded to the Rose Bowl as you might think.
• 34:14
  They haven't been playing there for a century or anything.
• 34:16
  It's really been, you know, I mean, I guess maybe 40 years,
• 34:20
  which is a lot, but it's not like the Rose Bowl is just down
• 34:23
  the street. It it's like if if you're going
• 34:26
  from your campus is in Des Moines and you're playing in in,
• 34:30
  in Ames or even in farther Webster City or something, it's.
• 34:35
  Just real. Far, yeah.
• 34:37
  Yeah, apparently it's 28 miles to the Rose Bowl and it's like
• 34:40
  15 to Sofi, so this means it doesn't anyways.
• 34:44
  Yeah, it doesn't work well for anybody, I don't think.
• 34:47
  But here we are. All right, let's get into the
• 34:49
  playoff talk. And at the top, pretty clear cut
• 34:52
  at this point. And we're talking about the
• 34:55
  awful possibility for the ACC. Duke wins the conference
• 34:58
  championship and could be left out of the playoff.
• 35:01
  But I want to move into kind of more of the nuts and bolts, you
• 35:04
  know, with the posturing that's going to happen here over the
• 35:06
  next few weeks. What's the high watermark for
• 35:08
  the SEC? I mean, is there a potential we
• 35:10
  could have as many as six teams from the SEC that makes up half
• 35:14
  the field for the College Football Playoff?
• 35:17
  It's possible, sure. And I think a lot of that has to
• 35:19
  do with the, the big 10 and wonder what happens there.
• 35:23
  Because you look at, you know, if, what if I, you know, we, we
• 35:27
  saw round one of Oregon, Iowa, but you throw USC in there and
• 35:31
  there's this little round Robin among the three of them.
• 35:33
  And what if they all go 1:00 and 1:00?
• 35:35
  And then, you know, Oregon, you know, may, may end up getting in
• 35:38
  out of that situation if they're 10 and two, But if they get
• 35:41
  upset by Washington, which I I wouldn't say is likely, but it's
• 35:44
  possible, then they're probably out.
• 35:47
  And USC is out, Iowa is out, Michigan is not good enough.
• 35:51
  And and then all of a sudden you're down to two teams from
• 35:53
  the big 10 that really fit that or that it only have two losses.
• 35:56
  And you know, maybe Michigan would get in and under that
• 35:59
  circumstance, But then you've got to say, hey, well, Oklahoma
• 36:01
  beat it head to head with, you know, by an 11 point margin.
• 36:05
  So then, yeah, it's certainly possible that the big, in fact,
• 36:09
  I would expect right now that the SEC gets probably 5 and and
• 36:15
  it could morph into six. You know, again, what happens if
• 36:19
  BYU loses again or something like that or they play Texas
• 36:23
  Tech again and lose, you know, it, it's just, and, and this is
• 36:27
  what you're looking at staring forward when they go to 9 games
• 36:31
  that you're going to probably see some nine and three SEC
• 36:33
  teams get in. And that's why the, the 16 game
• 36:38
  or 16 team proposal. You know, people are have been
• 36:42
  negative on Tony Petiti's situation and you know, wanting
• 36:45
  all these guarantees. But if you're the Big 12 and
• 36:48
  you're the ACC, you've got to take that bird.
• 36:51
  In the hand, without a doubt. Without a doubt.
• 36:54
  I'm just dumbfounded because I haven't seen you or Mark very
• 36:56
  few missteps. This seems like one of them.
• 36:59
  Doc, I couldn't agree with you more.
• 37:02
  Saturday night, Kinnock Stadium on the heels of earlier this
• 37:06
  season, Indiana at Kinnock Stadium, if it would have should
• 37:09
  have seemed like Iowa fans were on the precipice again of having
• 37:13
  an unbelievable moment, right? 92 yard Dr. capped off by their
• 37:17
  quarterback that they invested a lot in both emotionally and
• 37:20
  financially taking into the end zone, giving the Hawks the lead.
• 37:24
  Kinnock's going crazy only to have the rug pulled out again in
• 37:28
  in a year that we'll look back. Just those two losses to Indiana
• 37:32
  and Oregon. If it would have, should have
• 37:34
  what could have been? Yeah, it's it's pretty painful.
• 37:37
  I mean, I think both of them because they're both really good
• 37:40
  opponents. This isn't just they lost, you
• 37:42
  know, 5 to 4, you know, against the five to four team or
• 37:44
  something like that. I mean, they both these teams
• 37:46
  are playoff teams. Indiana is is obviously an
• 37:49
  outstanding and I think you know this is the frustration of any
• 37:54
  sports writer in my shoes. I have to write something a
• 37:57
  headline at the gun. And so I'm writing two different
• 38:01
  stories. Sports quarter and then Mark
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  Granowski scores. And so then I start going that
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  direction and then, you know, the 24 yard pass from Dante
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  Morda and that was such an amazing pass in the rain, in the
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  wet conditions, one-on-one coverage.
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  TJ Hall was right there. There's it's really you almost
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  have to tip your hat to the to the receiver into the
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  quarterback for that kind of Malik Benson and and Dante Moore
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  for making that happen because you know, less than 30 seconds
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  to go. That kind of a pass is so
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  critical. And and yes, when you look at
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  this game and you look at the Indiana game, every little
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  situation is going to be magnified.
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  You know, in this one, it's the the bad snap on the punt that
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  went for safety or, or, you know, was his, you know, was
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  Kamari Bolton's heel in the end zone or was his toe out outside
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  the end zone when he caught the ball?
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  I mean, it's just, you know, so many, it's a game and then
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  fumble, you know, inside the 20. You know what that could have
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  been. So yes, this is all difficult to
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  process, but, you know, I, I, I would hope that people respect
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  the fact that Oregon's really good.
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  And then Iowa is still pretty good too.
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  And, and it's a tough loss, but it's not one, you know, we got
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  to fire everybody. We got to start over.
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  What's going on here? It's, it's over.
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  You know, I, I would hope people wait until if they lose to
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  Michigan State or Nebraska, then to do that.
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  You would hope that that's the case, but you also know this fan
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  base, Doc, so many close moments and the thing that's kind of
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  people are equating all twelve of these losses against ranked
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  teams all in the same. This is different.
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  I mean, do you see this path in the continuation with the
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  offensive improvements that there is hope?
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  There is hope that yeah, it's not going to happen this year,
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  but a playoff bit it still couldn't happen at Iowa in the
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  next couple of seasons. Sure.
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  I, I, I don't, I, I hate when you, you everybody kind of puts
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  the aggregate together on these types of things.
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  I mean, this is has this isn't even in the same family as the
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  games like against Michigan, for instance, and on the
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  championship games and. You know, Ohio State on the
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  road. I mean, never once did you go
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  into those games, maybe the first one against Michigan.
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  But ever since then, did you say, Oh yeah, they got a shot in
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  this game. I mean, they they got crushed
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  because their offense couldn't do anything.
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  Now their offense is capable of putting together a 92 yard drive
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  that takes up the fourth quarter, converting two fourth
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  down plays, 1/3 and whatever and got a 40 yard pass.
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  I mean, that's something you never would have expected with
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  Deacon Hill. You probably wouldn't have
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  expected with Spencer either. And and yet here you are and
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  you're just in that same situation.
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  It gets really good teams and and I think that's so this one
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  is I chalk it up is just unfortunate.
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  You know, defense didn't make a play when it needed to.
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  Offense made a couple of critical mistakes in a close
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  game, but it's a completely different world than where we
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  were two years ago. Scott Dockman for The Athletic
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  Dock in 10 seconds. What can we look forward to at
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  The Athletic this week? I I'm working on another bowl
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  piece, which is how are the bowls going to adjust with the
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  CSP uncertainty? So that that's something I'm
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  looking right here in another day or so.
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  I were, I were two. Coming up next, Miller and
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  Condon. Thank you, Scott Duckman.
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  More coming up on the other side.