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Dyslexia And Autism Don't Cancel Out Your Gifts | They Shape Them | Episode 492 · Voices for Voices®

• 0:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hey everyone, it's Justin here, Voices for Voices.
• 0:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you for joining us, watching, and listening in the United States, across the world.
• 0:10
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• 0:15
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• 0:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: One of those areas is autism.
• 0:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so we are right smack dab in autism awareness month.
• 0:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think that uh I think that every day should be uh that there shouldn't be as many holidays and and and months, and I think it should just we should just treat each other like humans should treat each other kindly.
• 1:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and and so you've seen uh a couple episodes earlier than this particular one uh where we we talk about autism and in depth, and I I talk a little bit about mine.
• 1:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We had uh Ellen, who is a uh an autistic mom, so her children she has children that are autistic, and and we're going to continue that conversation today with uh with our guest.
• 1:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh who's gonna share about his autism and uh about others, not everybody, but there's more more than there should be uh people that say that you know we we use certain things as a crutch.
• 2:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like I use my depression as a crutch, I use my anxiety, I I use my ADHD, I use all the things that I come with, I use them as crutches, and uh our guest uh is gonna share that as well.
• 2:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He's gonna share his experience, just being autistic, what that means to him and how that impacts him or doesn't uh be because uh autistic people are still human beings, and we should all be treated with uh you know uh kindness, gentleness, respect.
• 2:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and then he's gonna share about some of the unfortunate uh comments that other other people, I don't know if we're gonna name names or anything, but just more in general of that people do unfortunately look at that look at autism as we're using a crutch.
• 3:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like we'll use it when when it's convenient.
• 3:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So let's hop in.
• 3:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh David Solomon's with us.
• 3:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh thanks for joining us on the show.
• 3:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, and now we're uh gonna get into autism and how that impacts you and uh how unfortunately there's some individuals that are just, you know, they can't be pleased.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: I I agree with what you said, and thank you for uh for just having me on and talking about this.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, special needs and autism is really big.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh my mom, as you know, ran a ranch um uh for special needs kids and uh and did so very successfully.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um special needs has been really big on my heart because I grew up with that uh surrounding me.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um and some of my greatest friends uh have special needs.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: Most people in the entertainment world that create uh have some sort of autism or on the spectrum.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, ever since a kid, I was made fun of for being different because I uh I would act out everything that I wrote, or I would draw at an incredible speed.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um and people just made fun of me because I would just be different, you know, play the piano, and I could play a song that I hear on the radio in every key, um in every octave.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um and people would just make fun of that, and I think now, of course, there's autism awareness, and that's great, but there should have been that back then, because we had so much uh bullying back in my day, and that wasn't so long ago either.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I get crucified for um for being the CEO of mythical creatures around the world, even to this day, because my wife handles emails and she handles different things because of my autism.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um I see the world a little differently and I write and I communicate.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm always on the phone.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: If anyone ever knows me, I'm always on the phone.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm always talking.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: I like to talk to people.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like to message people on on uh on email and say, How are you?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: I will if I have to, but chances are I'll mess the email up because of my dyslexia, which comes with that autism.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'll say that it's been a challenge to be a writer and have dyslexia and autism at the same time.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: And if it weren't for my mom and uh and Professor Fred, uh who I want to bring in today, uh, you know, I I wouldn't be here.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was uh I think it I was 10 or 11 when I was, you know, just being a rebel.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh Professor Fred, uh he uh Professor Fred Young, he uh took me under his wing and said, you know, your stories are so great, why don't you put them to paper?
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: Because I was acting them out, and sure, people were liking them, and so some ideas were taken for some projects, mostly art because I was cartooning.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: But but uh Mr.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: Fred, he uh he said, Well, I want you to read, and I wouldn't read, I couldn't read because of my autism.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: I could write all day long, but I could not read.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I read comic books, and then from comic books, I read a book, uh Young Jedi Knight, um Shadow Academy, and I read that and it changed my life forever because after I read that, I wrote a novel in a day in his office, and he went, Oh my word, that just happened, and my mom, you know, of course, she made me pancakes and celebrated, and that was the day that I could write at great speed, and people saw that and the power it has and the impact it has, and uh and we just really wanted to hone in on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um it was about 12 years old.
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  SPEAKER_01: I graduated high school, thanks to Mr.
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  SPEAKER_01: uh Fred Young, and uh I went to college and I took one of my courses in Iceland with Dr.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: Reffrich.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Mr.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: Refrich, uh who lives in a small town in Iceland, uh taught me about folklore and mythology, and I took nine courses to study over 400 languages and uh memorize their folklore theology and mythology, and then of course Bible college and and all of that, and I I put them all together, and at that point I was also studying bird watching.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: So when you put all of those together, you have something that grows, and it grows into a uh something very beautiful, grows into something very beautiful.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think I was about eight years old or nine when I created Owlman.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh anyway, my professor in Iceland, he saw that and he said, What folklore does that tie to?
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, and so that's where I fell in love with folklore.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: Furthermore, um after I studied that, I realized that uh Wayne Thomas Batson, Chris Hopper, uh other authors were pulling from folklore that I had learned in Iceland.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it was really interesting to see all these authors, Donita K.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Paul, Brian Davis, pull from folklore that was already there.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of cool.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I utilized my disability and made it a ability to do things at a different speed than others, but also do things differently than others could actually get done.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um to this day, my autism really shows because little tasks I struggle with.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: I have to have them written down, and you can drive your family nuts that way.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, or you can drive yourself nuts that way.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: I was on my phone last night tinkering with my son's project that he's doing, and uh I uh I drove myself nuts because I was supposed to be writing a letter, and I forgot to tell myself that I was supposed to continue writing the letter, and I was doing my son's project, and I got my son's project done, but I didn't get the letter done, so then I had to go back and do the letter, and then I forgot to do my son's project part two.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: So uh I was up to about one o'clock last night just uh uh hitting hard on reminding myself what to do.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the other thing with autism that I do is I can never work on one project at a time.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: There always has to be two or three, and I'm gonna tell you why.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um let's see.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was writing uh TV shows, and I would get bored after Anakin and Ahsoka are chasing the bad guy, and I would go, huh, yeah.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: I want to do something else now.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm burned out.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: So one day would be Star Wars, and the next day would be Small Bill, and the next day would be Incredible Hulk, and then we would go back, and at that point, Iron Man Armored Adventures, and so there would be a rotation, and it worked because I would always come back with a fresh mind, and it would always get done, and I should practice what I preach.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: So when I write novels, I get bored because then it's like, oh my gosh, I am so stuck.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, like this one story that you guys are gonna read, it's phenomenal, it's some of my best writing.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: I fell in love with the story.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's set in Long Beach, California, which I had the honor of going to a long time ago with my mom.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: Great place, good people, uh, great culture.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I sat on the information for 12 years.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is one of those folklores that you really just don't know how to use, so you let it percolate for 12 years.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: And finally, it's a masterpiece.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's sitting at 150 pages in a script.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, folks, that's a two-hour pilot.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so I have to trim that down.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it's so good, it's great.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's getting back to my golden age I call of writing, and I love that.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: And uh we're doing a tour, as everyone knows, um Voices for Voices Publishing tour, 2026 to 2027 and even 2028.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I want to also announce that we're also going to be opening up a physical bookstore in the future.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and I got confirmation of that today.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and we don't know the location of that, but we will in the future, so that we can have these great stories accessible to people around the world that want this content.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um I've been really struggling uh as someone with autism of, you know, I have 420, I want you guys to think about this, 421 books ready to go that I have written over a 25-year span.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: And that's just that.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's not including from ages six, excuse me, five to nine, which is at least another four hundred.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: But those aren't full books, those are scripts uh and recorded acting out sessions.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: So when you look at that, you go, huh, what do I do?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: And when I was a boy, um at 10, I wanted to work in Veggie Tales, so I made all of the prophets from the Bible come to life in Veggie Tales.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: My mom made me post it on our ACE unit.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: We uh we had tarp around it.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I posted all these uh pictures of the Veggie Tales prophets.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: I worked in Veggie Tales after that, and now you look at what we're doing, and it's really no different.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing really has changed.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a little bit, but not really.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's mythical creatures instead of veggie tells.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's the only difference.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just really happy to um to be where I'm at because special needs needs to be talked about, and people take advantage of people with special needs.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was taken because of my autism and taken advantage of to this day.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um so with awareness, someone uh Stephen Rymers uh said that I use autism as a crutch and I don't.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's my strength.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: And also when you have autism, you really can't lie.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's really hard to, and because of my moral compass and the autism, you put that together and it just it becomes a mess for someone that tries to call you a liar.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I've learned a lot of people take advantage because you try to see the good in people when there aren't any.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: And that's important.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: So in running mythical creatures around the world, um honestly, yeah, I've had some hate, but I push through it.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: I get up every day, you know, do the post and the art and the story, and it keeps you going.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: And writing a novel or a screenplay, or maybe the baby's having a hard day, or you know.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: Mythical has always been there since day one.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: I remember when I was paralyzed and blind, I was told I was never gonna see again.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: And uh the doctor said, you know, what are you gonna do?
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so my mom would read me the stories, and over time the stories would mutate into what they are now and it's incredible.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so I'm honored and privileged to have those stories to share with the world.
• 18:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And this is this is your call, just something that came to my mind.
• 18:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh a lot of people, unfortunately, we've we've learned over the last some months, uh, some period of time, uh, that they uh I I I guess they what's the right word?
• 18:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um they they take your content, yeah, they don't ask you for it, they use it in a book, you make money off of it, plagiarism as the original author.
• 19:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, how do you how do you handle that?
• 19:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because that could be debilitating to somebody.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I mean, I got used to it with my mom.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um the movie Bright, um, I'm gonna name for the first time.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, uh one could argue onward.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna say that people took advantage of my concepts and stories.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and my mom tried to go after him for it, and sometimes it's successful and sometimes it's not.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, Mr.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Mr.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Davis, uh others.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: There was one in particular, there was a uh Oregon story on the coast in 17, and uh we uh we were gonna do it, and then someone shut it down and and shot it themselves.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you're absolutely right.
• 20:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and mythical uh also uh isn't a new concept.
• 20:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It actually, and again, if you want to get into it, you can, you don't have to.
• 20:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But I I just wanted to you know bring up to people's attention um that you know in 1939 that you know mythical creatures around the world didn't start in 2017 or 2002.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 21:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Basically, when you get down to the nuts and bolts of the organization, it actually started in 1939.
• 21:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: 19 well, see 1938.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well around around there, yeah, yeah, because yeah, yeah.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um great uh grandfather uh looking staff started it.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I won't get into all the details, but people's families knew the tokens and the Lewis's and it's kind of interesting when you read my mom's letters and then my great grandfather's.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Letters um they kind of tell a story of how everybody knew each other.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it's kind of neat, you know.
• 22:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yes, I mean you're you're literally taking the torch, yeah, uh, from all those all those years and just continuing that and then you know having a a child to really um you know come out with uh you know some of his own work.
• 22:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yep.
• 22:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um you know that that's gotta feel good too, because right if if you know, and I I'm on the spectrum too, I'm a little bit obviously we're we're different people, obviously, and unique characteristics and that.
• 23:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and so certain things I'm able to do and certain things just bother me.
• 23:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And again, you just you just power through it.
• 23:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and for those that are watching and listening, you gotta just find what works for you because what works for David, what works for me.
• 23:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, David you know gets up and he first thing on the mind is uh you know mythical creatures around the world, uh getting a post, get uh working on art.
• 23:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: For me, it's voices for voices, but I mean, and then all that kind of just it it all evolves to together.
• 23:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So if you're watching and listening, going, oh my gosh, I don't I don't own, I'm not a CEO of an organization, you know, it must be easy to talk about, and you know, because of that, well, it's actually not it it it's hard to do.
• 24:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It uh because as you mentioned, you know, to keep our minds on like one one or two things uh and cycle back and forth because to work on one one thing, I'm a little bit more to the focusing on the the one thing, and and and you have a couple of different things that you're rotating through, and and it's okay.
• 24:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I think that's that's a big message, a big takeaway from the show is it's okay.
• 24:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You don't have to be like me, don't have to be like David, anybody others in your family, your schools.
• 24:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh the the the key is that you know you you believe in yourself and as corny as that sounds, and I know growing up, you know, hearing people say that, like, oh, you know, you're special, and and that it um we are, we we but but we all are special.
• 25:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not just some of us, we all are.
• 25:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Some of us have been diagnosed, some haven't, some are doing certain things, some are doing homeopathic, and and you just gotta find what works for you.
• 25:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I I I think that and that doesn't happen overnight.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: I I like how you said that, yeah, and um it's really been a journey with like uh juggling mythical and and what it means now.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much demand on it now, um of what we're doing, and and it's never been done.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, I'm constantly on the phone setting things up and talking to people, and it's a lot of hard work, guys.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of hard work.
• 26:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um if you didn't love what you were doing, you wouldn't do it.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like I mean that's right, yeah.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's my passion, it's my baby, and uh just like my children, mythical has been there, and you know my mom uh held on to it, but yeah, it was created originally the idea in the story universe was kind of created by Grandpa Blickenstaff, and then uh mom's mom kind of skipped that, and so uh the Blickenstaffs raised mom and uh and then Ralph and Muriel, uh the other uh relatives raised mom and then they told their stories.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I remember Ralph sitting in his home, you know, he would talk about the old bombers and what they used to see, and there would be all these World War II stories, and even World War I stories, by the way.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so it's just a privilege to utilize that.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um and when you're going back in history, some of these folklors took place in 1908, and it's like, whoa, well, we're bringing them to now, and that's kind of cool too.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, it started with Blick and Staff, and then mom took it over, and mom told a lot of stories.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um I remember uh Troutdale, Virginia, that's when she really introduced me to her idea.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: We were in hyperbaric after her dad uh blew our house up.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: And uh we were in the Troutdale pond in a boat because we were on break from treatment.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: I had just gotten done throwing up, and uh we got stranded in the middle of the pond, and there was this creature like a loch nest that kept rocking the boat.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: We were stranded up out there like 12 to 13 hours.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: No water, no nothing.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: And uh we uh we we made up a story about the monster.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Truth be told, there's a native legend that mom found that day.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: But then we got to the ledge um over the pond, and mom said, Oh, you know what?
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: We should write this.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so sure enough, mom made a book, and uh and I'm gonna republish that book.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh in Dallas, when we came back, when we flew back, she did a Dallas story as well.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then um let's see, six years old, we did the missing puppy.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh seven, it was the super puppies, and then eight, you know, it was San Francisco and the ocean, and then nine, uh it was uh let's see.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, let me think here.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was Santa Rosa and Chico stories, and then eleven, it started pushing.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: I remember doing the um this is gonna sound weird to everybody, but you know the show Arrow.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I was 11 when I created the concept.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now the original concept was all over the green.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was sitting in the Medford Barnes and Noble, and Josh and Adam were there, and Tish and John, and I asked them, you know, what is the latest screen arrow?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so they, you know, pointed me to it.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: And uh my professor was there because he was trying to get me to read because I would write, but I wouldn't read.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: And uh it was very unusual.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so again, I was doing calculus, I wouldn't do addition or subtraction, it's an autism thing.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: I got bored.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so anyway, I started reading the Green Arrow comic, and he goes, So he likes reading, but he only reads comics.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, this so he took me to a comic store, more fun comics in Ashland, and I met Scott and uh and Andre, and Scott goes, Well, yeah, we got Green Arrow.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I started reading Green Arrow within a day.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote an outline for a Green Arrow movie about Green Arrow's son, and now Green Arrow's enemy, uh, the guy with the swirly, not bullseye, but uh uh Vertigo, thank you, Count Vertigo, goes after his son, and they have to rescue his son, and Black Canary gets killed, and Green Arrow swears wing.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was a whole thing, and so it's about 80 pages of a movie.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: And my professor looks at me and goes, son, you got the gift.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: So then I started writing Small Bill and Supergirl and all these things, and I submitted Arrow to DC Comics that year.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you guys didn't see the concept come to life until like a long time after.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: And uh that's when I knew what I wanted to do, and I would create Batman stories, and um there was a Wonder Woman in there, um, but it was always that superhero, and every year I would make my own birthday cake and I would draw characters from the Bible or Star Wars or something that made a difference in my life, or maybe I was writing or drawing that year, but I would always have the Bible on my cake.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, when I started writing Star Wars, I had Star Wars on one cake and the Bible on the other, and Smallville on the other.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: So uh mythical really played a role in my uh life because these characters have been there for so darn long.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um when we left uh Klamath in 013.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: I remember going to uh Reading with mom on the Spiral Bridge, and we came up with the character Bubbles and Finn.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: I actually found the old writing of it, and I'm gonna republish it for the school there.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, beautiful story, and so people look at me and they go, You can't be as big as Star Wars.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: Star Wars has had 50 years.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if you take the stories out that I've written, which is probably like eight or nine thousand now, to be exact, you on paper, like eight hundred, but shows acting at probably nine thousand.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: If you take that out, you put my mom's in, that's about a thousand, and then grandpa blickenstause, that's about two thousand.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's see, that's longer than Star Wars now, right?
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: So you got to take that into consideration.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then the way I'm doing our myths going forward for the tour is we're gonna have what I call a phase.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's a phase one, a phase two, and a phase three.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Phase one is you have your teen heroes for high schoolers, your kid heroes for kids that Ryan's helping with, and then you're going to have your um your characters in college, and then your hallmark, your your romance.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then last night, after a great conversation with someone involved in the Clayface movie, which I also had a part to play in, uh, we are going to do the first Christian horror book, which I had no idea was going to be a thing, but we had a lovely conversation, and I don't like horror, but there is a need for it, and there is a time and a place to scare someone.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this is that time.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: This is that time.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: So we are gonna do a uh a thriller uh set in Oregon.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: I already have the uh details, I talked it over with the person.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm a little against it at first, and then I learned the folklore, and then I was like, oh man, this can't not be a whore.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um guys, you have mosquitoes in a haunted forest that disappear and then reappear and they attack you, and they're giant.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: Man, that's kind of cool.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you have a piranha-like humanoid when you go to the beach, try to attack you and then hunt you down.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of cool.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and guys, being a folklorist, I have access to like different people come to me every day with folklore.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: You wouldn't believe some of them are crazy, I'm not gonna lie.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: But that's what makes good folklore.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: Folklore is a parable, and Jesus told parables all the time.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so if we tell morals in our parables and we've done our job, now there are gonna be some more steamy novels, but just because they're steamy, and let me make that clear, doesn't mean they need to be spicy, it just means they're a little more um romantic, right?
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: They're for that audience, but there's a time and a place for that to happen, and and we need to be good judges and stewards of when that happens.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: We're looking at that in uh in real time with novels today, so we'll be doing those books, and and those will be for adults because there are moments with a husband and a wife that will be talked about.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to show everything, but they'll be talked about, and that's important because you can't tell a story without it, and the Christian community has gotten used to that, and we're we're we're in an age where that's just not gonna work.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: You have people that hate God because we don't talk about these things, and we have to talk about them.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: So it's gonna be really powerful, the characters that we have in our stories, and they're gonna matter.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um one of the characters that my son likes is Sadie from Young Just uh excuse me, Young Siren Born.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Not Young Justice, Young Justice is what we're uh trying to do.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Pay no attention.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: So um Young Siren Born, you know, it targets that age, and he really likes the characters, and so we're gonna be doing a big crossover called the uh beast whores.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: We're working on that today.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of a non-stop creating process where you can't turn your brain off if you tried.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: And it's also annoying because like at one o'clock in the morning, when you're in the bed, you have to open your phone up, you have to go into the notes, and then you have to write yourself a note because you're blind in one eye and you can't see on paper, and you have to write the note, hey, by the way, uh, or dictate it in this case, by the way.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I thought of this folklore and I need to research that, and I researched that.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: Let me reach out to that person.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna call this person, hey Trish.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I know you heard a folklore sighting in this town.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: Did you hear anything about that town?
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't know.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: Let me call you back.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's a lot of love, a lot of passion, and I'm so excited to share it with you guys.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: But voices for voices publishing, we're doing something never done before.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: We are having a tour coming up, it's gonna be nationwide and international.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um we're not being we're not doing this alone.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna have other writers, other uh, other uh professionals in the industry.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh and we'll be getting back to you on those tentative dates.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: But so excited to be a part of this moment.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um and a part of the tour is to give these small towns a voice, but also as a ministry to create an alternative to what kids are reading with all this nastiness of sex, which is spice code word um in books and language and vulgar and bring morals back to publishing.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: So Voices for Voices is a Christian, as far as I'm concerned, fantasy publisher, and it will stay that way for now.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um and we're we're happy to do it, and and that's kind of my journey into being autistic and being made fun of and being a CEO.
• 40:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, it's really uh I mean it's a roller coaster day-to-day minute to minute.
• 40:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and that's you know, some someone might someone might say, you know, you're talking about, oh, I've written this many, and that the stuff's true, and if someone doesn't want to believe it, that's okay.
• 40:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They don't have to.
• 40:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh but we shouldn't take away from others uh what they're what they what they've done, what they believe to be.
• 41:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just like we're not gonna tell somebody, well, you shouldn't do this.
• 41:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, we can say, yeah, like this type of activity is not good.
• 41:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah.
• 41:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're not gonna do it, but it's up to that person or that organization to actually make the call and stop, modify, pivot, whatever whatever we want to say.
• 41:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and and I think there's room in the world for uh people who are like us in and and not.
• 42:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're we're providing an alternative to people who have not had an option in I don't know how many years you would know the I mean and and and that that should be allowed when Coca-Cola is on the shelves at a grocery store, there's Pepsi there, there's Mountain Dew, there's Dr.
• 42:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Pepper, there's there are these options.
• 42:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so if somebody doesn't like what we're doing, that's fine.
• 42:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Do your thing and live with what potential consequences may arise from from that.
• 43:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and and that's okay.
• 43:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh somebody goes, you know, if they drink soda, then they say, Oh, today I'm thirsty for coke.
• 43:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then the next day they say, Oh, but I could really use a Pepsi.
• 43:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, if there weren't the options there, then it would be a monopoly, and uh, and there would only be one option.
• 43:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And that's what's happening right now, is there's only the one option.
• 43:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: People don't have the option to look like side by side and say, oh, I didn't even realize there was a second uh an alternative to what what has been uh published and and what uh entertainment uh on top of that.
• 43:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I think that's a big takeaway for our viewers and our listeners, is we're providing that alternative.
• 44:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's uh at the end of the day, it's up to the consumer to decide what what what they want.
• 44:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we don't control the world.
• 44:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're regular, everyday people trying to make a living, trying to help others at the core.
• 44:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And with that comes autism with the two of us, and maybe it comes with a viewer or listener, maybe it doesn't.
• 44:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe somebody's a parent, maybe somebody's an uncle and aunt.
• 44:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They don't even they don't even realize it.
• 44:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And they and they write off the person.
• 44:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They're like, oh, well, that person has autism.
• 44:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, you know, they can't uh you know, they can't be a writer, you know, they can't, you know, play a sport, or they can't, you know, sing songs.
• 45:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and that's that's what we're trying to do, is just break that mold.
• 45:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, and that is why I feel, and I know you you do, David, with the the work that you were doing before we even met, you're as big a believer in the work that you've done as I am with voices.
• 45:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it is a natural crossover where we're able to do things that we love to do, and it all comes back, whether it's uh uh a myth, folklore, uh, whether it is somebody telling their story, it all comes back to helping people.
• 45:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's what we want to do.
• 45:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're not gonna live forever, nobody is, and that's the big takeaway I I think, or I take away in why I get up each each day, and some days we do shows, some days we don't, some days um we'll we'll spend more time on social media.
• 46:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and and also none of us uh on this earth are perfect, are sinless, and some people may feel that they are.
• 46:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now I can't stop that, but all I know is humans, we we were born from and with sin, no matter no matter what, whether somebody's a believer or not.
• 46:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's nobody that's perfect.
• 46:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe we do some tasks or some projects that may come out that look perfect, that sound perfect.
• 47:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I get a perfect score in my folklore class, or I get uh 80 points out of a hundred in my calculus class.
• 47:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so that's different from I'm a perfect person and that I can judge others.
• 47:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I I'll say this like I said before, and I'll say it again, that nobody's nobody's perfect, and we don't spend our time hung up on other other people, other things.
• 47:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and when there's truth, there are two options.
• 47:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're either part of the solution if there's a problem, or you're you're continuing to be part of the problem.
• 48:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like if you don't want to help, you see somebody in need, somebody that passes out in a group of people, and they're just standing there and nobody's calling uh for the paramedics, and you're just walking by because you don't want to be and here comes Lucy, yeah.
• 48:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and you don't want to be involved, and you don't want to, you know, like, oh well, I don't want to be called as a witness, and I don't want to have to, I don't want to be involved, and yeah, I don't agree with this activity.
• 48:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, that's what it comes down to, and so whether mythical creatures, whether voices for voices, we are the people that are standing up, and we do get whether it's autism or even not autism, we get a lot of flack because we are standing up and we are sharing our stories, whatever they may may be.
• 49:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and I think that should be inspiration and a light for somebody who has always wanted to do something, and they just said, you know what, I'm you know, somebody called me dumb, somebody called me stupid or retarded or what whatever these, you know, just awful words that are coming out of people's mouths.
• 49:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and we're here to say, you can do it, you can dream, you can do your dream.
• 49:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It may take some time, not everything happens overnight.
• 49:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: In fact, anything that's worth it isn't doesn't happen over overnight.
• 49:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and I'll go back to uh an earlier episode that you you've watched and and seen where uh you know I've and I talk about you know Thomas Edison, right?
• 50:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, he he discovered, invented, or whatever the term you want to use, the technology and and that for uh electricity, the light, the light bulb.
• 50:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it took him somewhere around 10,000 tries.
• 50:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so if David and I and you are watching, and your friends and and others, that's that's my dog.
• 50:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: She's got a cone on, so that's what that scratching is.
• 50:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: She can't.
• 50:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I know some people, and I had some technical difficulties with with my camera, and I have allergies.
• 50:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's been a whirlwind.
• 50:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But you can do it.
• 50:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You you you can don't listen to somebody who what they really want is you just not to succeed.
• 51:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's what I've found.
• 51:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That people, this word jealous, you know, comes comes to mind where people get they get jealous, they're like, well, there's no way you wrote 400 books and all these screenplay, and and there's no way that you know, Justin, you did this, and uh you know, you're you're this huge organization, and it you say that you're small, and it's like, all right, well, come take a look.
• 51:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let's see see how many employees we have, see who uh who who's uh who who's doing the work, and and you're really looking at them right now.
• 51:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're looking at David, and you're looking at me.
• 51:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean and uh not to all but we also need to include David's wife and and and children.
• 52:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and and so just because we have big dreams and we want to help a lot of people, and you hear me throwing around this three billion we want to reach and help three billion people over the course of my lifetime and beyond, just because it's my dream, I don't know that it's gonna happen, but go do your dream for the naysayers out there, and for those that are looking for us, you know, maybe everything's gone wrong the last month or the last few days, and a relationship's ended, and you you don't know how you're gonna go on.
• 52:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just as easy as it sounds, like we're easy for you to say, well, it's not easy because I'm dealing with my mental challenges and things every single day.
• 52:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, no, it's not easy for me to say.
• 52:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: All I'm saying is, hey, you can talk to somebody, you should be able to.
• 53:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And if you can't, there's a flaw in the system.
• 53:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We have people all over the world that tune in to our show, mythical creatures around the world.
• 53:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's named that because it connects people all around the world.
• 53:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and so it's okay to to to dream.
• 53:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was watching, uh I'll I'll close it out by uh with this.
• 53:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I I I was watching, as I as I like to do from time to time, uh, you know, concerts, you know, now with you know different electronics and software, we're able to, you know, if we're at a concert, you know, we can you know record the the show.
• 53:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And uh and so one of one of the bands that right now, uh I I remember growing up and I I did a I did an episode on it, so you'll have to check it out.
• 54:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and and and and so they've gotten to be more popular now than what they were when back in the the heyday when I was when when they were they came out as a band.
• 54:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But what their lead singer said on stage, it really resonates with with me, is you know, talking about being a dreamer, and I'm not talking about I'm not talking about the political dreamer type of uh language.
• 54:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm talking about just just a person that has a dream and says, you know what, I want to be an astronaut.
• 54:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, that was me growing up.
• 54:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, this this band, they wrote a song and said, has anybody out there, you know, had a dream?
• 54:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And you know, there's people cheering and that, and say, you know, and and you know, they you know, people look at you and and say, you gotta, you know, you're crazy because you got this uh idea or ideas that's uh so out there that they're never gonna happen.
• 55:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And uh there he gives a gesture which I don't recommend.
• 55:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But what he what he says is so we wrote a song about it, and it was I it's a song called iconic, and I'd say two of the most overused words of dialogue that we have as humans, at least in my opinion, is epic and iconic.
• 55:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like everything's epic, man, and everything is iconic.
• 55:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, those used to be reserved for truly special times and special things.
• 55:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now I went to school, man.
• 55:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, we're gonna we're gonna have an epic weekend because you know, today's Friday.
• 56:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh yeah, yeah, you might not you should.
• 56:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We we all should be able to have fun and safe and and prosperous, whatever that that is to us.
• 56:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But that doesn't mean that every every weekend is gonna be epic.
• 56:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like what how do we judge that?
• 56:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's my spiel for for for for this.
• 56:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I I want to make sure that the the the people that are dreaming that have, um, and I've also mentioned you know Dan Reynolds with Imagine Dragons that uh David has uh just a little bit of uh communication and and ties with, but we won't get into that because of NDAs.
• 56:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, but their lead singer, Dan Reynolds, he was he was talking about uh how he he goes to therapy.
• 56:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: He's like, Man, I've been to therapy I don't know how many years, and he's like, you know, life is worth living.
• 56:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: As bad as it seems, that life is always worth living.
• 57:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and I'll tell you, as as a as a teenager and a 20-something, there were many times where I've, you know, and I I usually don't share this publicly, but I I I I didn't feel like I was gonna make it to the age 40.
• 57:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was like, well, what's there gonna be to do when I'm 40?
• 57:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, I'm gonna have gray hair, I'm gonna have uh, you know, all these additional, you know, uh health problems potentially.
• 57:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and so that was that was forged in my mind by nobody other than me.
• 57:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Nobody told me that.
• 57:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and and so somehow, some way, bringing it back to today, to our episode, uh, talking about autism, talking about being a dreamer, of of talking to people, uh, to communicate with people.
• 58:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: David's more of a uh he likes to talk to them.
• 58:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm more of the behind the keyboard.
• 58:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm more my psychiatrist says I'm uh I'm an introvert.
• 58:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, you wouldn't know it by our shows and and and such, because I sometimes have a trouble stop talking like now.
• 58:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, but it's because there's so many things that life, like we don't get to take, we don't get to take things with us when when we when we leave this earth.
• 58:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I want to leave every single moment that I can, whether one person watches or listens, or a million or 10 million uh watch or listen.
• 58:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I just want to make sure that I leave it all out on the on the table.
• 58:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and and I know David's the same way with with mythical and uh you know not wanting to burn daylight.
• 59:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, just like we gotta get things done.
• 59:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We gotta we gotta there's so many aspects.
• 59:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's scheduling and there's all these things that they're boring, but they gotta be done.
• 59:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You can't have a tour if you don't schedule.
• 59:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And if you don't, who are you gonna schedule with, you gotta find who who you're gonna schedule with.
• 59:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so it's this long continuum that a lot of people just look at and say, oh, well, they they did this in their tour and this one one uh one one stop, and they did this, and and and think that like, oh yeah, we just we just showed up, and then you know, these these things, whatever they may be, uh whatever that whatever may come.
• 59:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and it's not that there's a lot of in these as we're getting closer and closer to 500 episodes, I've had I've had a TV studio ripped under my hands.
• 1:00:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so that actually turned into a has turned into a blessing because I I was limited in the amount of of shows I could do at that TV studio.
• 1:00:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe that comes back, maybe it doesn't.
• 1:00:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But what technology I'm trying to utilize it in a in a positive way, saying, you know what, like go ahead, take the studio.
• 1:00:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't care.
• 1:00:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're still having the show, we're still having guests.
• 1:00:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yes, there's gonna be solo episodes, but there's also gonna be guests that are gonna come and bring their uh their stories and their experiences, and that's how we're gonna continue to reach more people.
• 1:00:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And what David's talking about with mythical creatures being formed so long ago, and him carrying the torch and him sharing those myths and the folklore and the art with the world, it's a true blessing, whether you like it or not.
• 1:01:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, and the last thing I'll say is if you don't like the content we put out, then turn to channel.
• 1:01:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um we we think that our content is good, we think it is clean.
• 1:01:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh yeah, there's gonna be occasional episodes where you know the uh I I may use expletives.
• 1:01:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't like using expletives, but sometimes I do.
• 1:01:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's where I'm talking about.
• 1:01:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We all have faults, and so uh continue doing what you're doing.
• 1:01:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh you know, if somebody you'll find out who your real friends, your real people that are behind you when you have next to nothing, whether that's no income, no job, no nothing, but people are still hanging with you.
• 1:02:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's how you're gonna know who you're gonna want to ride with when the times get to be good.
• 1:02:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because when the times get to be good, as some people have found out the hard way in all industries, that it it's easy to jump on the bandwagon when uh you know a baseball team or a football team's winning all their games and you know it it's all it looking easy, or uh every competition we enter, we win, uh, or or whatever that may that may be.
• 1:02:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh but but just know that there are people that are behind you that you might not know.
• 1:03:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But just remember, believe in yourself, because if you don't believe in yourself and what you're doing, then how are you gonna sell somebody else on that?
• 1:03:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because eventually, right?
• 1:03:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If we're we're we're dreaming, one day we're gonna have to sell ourselves to somebody, sell the brand, sell the the story, sell the the script.
• 1:03:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, we're we're gonna have to convince and persuade individuals.
• 1:03:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we have to be able to believe in our ourselves.
• 1:03:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And as hard as that may be, and as coming from somebody who spent voluntarily five days in a psychiatric wing of the hospital, uh, it was my lowest point and it was my highest.
• 1:03:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It was the lowest because I had to I had to give up what who I was, I couldn't drink anymore.
• 1:04:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and I had to basically be another person.
• 1:04:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and so some people are like, all right, well, Justin's not partying anymore, and and so like we don't have the use for him.
• 1:04:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I had to learn how to live again.
• 1:04:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And now whether again, whether one person watches or listens, or a million, whether one person shows up on tour, or whether thousands do, I mean, it it's out of our hands.
• 1:04:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: All we do, we do the best we can.
• 1:04:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I just want to thank David for um for so much, but I mean really believe in it in me because we're we've known each other probably, I think, going on a couple of years, um, and there's been so many, so many ups and downs, uh, no matter what, um, and and and for him to stick stick by uh stick by me, stick by the organization, wanna collaborate and and and do the things that you know God willing uh we're uh gonna have an opportunity to do.
• 1:05:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I know that uh I I have somebody that's in my corner.
• 1:05:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And there may be others, but there's a whole lot of people who I thought were in my corner, uh that I had to find out kind of the hard way.
• 1:05:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That uh you know, they they don't they don't want my dream.
• 1:05:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They they thought the dream was just getting too uh outrageous and um and like I said, we All of us are gonna leave this earth one one one way or another, and uh I'm gonna leave it all on the table.
• 1:06:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: David's gonna leave it on the table, and we're gonna give you everything we've got.
• 1:06:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Anything uh lastly to add, David.
• 1:06:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I know I just went on like a 20-minute rant.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, you're you I think you're good.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um Okay.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to uh someone just messaged me.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so I wanted to, I'll end it with this.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_01: This is what I get in my uh TikTok, and I had to put it on the big screen to read it because of my eye.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_01: So um I saw something in Florida when I was on vacation.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was very strange, and it was on the beach.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_01: Particularly, it was blue and gray and was humanoid, but had bins on its back, and it was in the shallow waters.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_01: The detailing of it was my dad also saw it too.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_01: My dad is a Coast Guard, and then it goes into detail about the location which I will protect them for sake, and uh I just got this.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_01: This is what I get um for being mythical is people, you know, like I'm looking at Lake Wisconsin, and people message me all the time about myths and folklore and legends, and you know, recreate recreational.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_01: There was a balloon that hovered over the water, and then this creature was seen on the beach and attacked me and my friend while we were fishing in a lake in a cove by a creek.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was catching trout quickly.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: There was a creature that took the trout from me.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently, it was 12 inches.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it just goes into this detail um of these creatures.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um here's one.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was a sailor and submarine person, creepy creepy um being inside a steel tube, hundreds of uh when the sonar system crashes and blink what's going on around you.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: If you take the creepiness to a new level, we saw something in the window, and then it goes into detail.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh a few years back, my boat was hit by a rogue wave, and almost everyone on board was lost at sea, including one of my best friends.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_01: It was messed up pretty good.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was best for some time year sitting on a bluff looking out in the Pacific Ocean in general, actually that of where it occurred.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it was then that I flashed back that I had just launched into how there was a body below on the beach that saved me and pulled me out.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_01: The person that pulled me out was not human, and then it goes into detail about what they are, and so like I'm just seeing these, you know, two cavemen looking at me.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_02: People here's one more, here's one more.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um I am dive certified.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_01: Me and my friend were going diving, and this is in Maine, and we were diving underwater just before I saw a small childlike face underwater.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_01: I started freaking out because the child's face started getting closer and closer, and pretty soon everything around me turned to black.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Turn to black.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyway, this is like really um and then World War II.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um Reefs, I mean that is out there underwater.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, my point, guys, is this is what I do.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, people message me.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um he reaches the door.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh okay, this is really cool.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'll end it with this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Justin.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_01: This is really cool.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_01: So this was submitted to me today.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: My grandfather was in the Navy, World War II, in the Pacific.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_01: He occasionally, when in a forthcoming mood, would tell a story of how they were getting attacked, and he was trying to get to the other side of the boat.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_01: He reaches a doorway to the deck and opens it, and just as he is about to step out, he hears someone shout his name behind him.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_01: He stops me in to turn around, and an explosion goes off just outside the door.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_01: He looks behind him to thank whoever called his name, but no one was there.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_01: That shook more than the bombs.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_01: They say that it was a siren.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_01: To make matters worse, the oddest thing that my dad caught looked like a snake head, but then it wasn't.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was something much more unique.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, I'm just seeing these, you know.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, this is another one in San Diego.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-uh.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_01: One had two people on it, both clearly had shot a bunch of times, and one was moving fairly alive.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's people that see things that boggle the mind and they can't explain it.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where I come in.
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like now, I am mythical creatures around the world, but I will say that I got my degree in Iceland to study folklore and the ocean, and that's why you will always see it.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, we'll we'll end with this.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_01: I will end with it since we have Oregon off the coast of Newport.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_01: My first or second open water dive.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_01: We were diving the reef, we were deep enough, the surface wasn't immediately viciously obvious.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_01: Following the bubbles, you'll get there maybe 40 or 50 feet down.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_01: I hadn't realized the reef wouldn't would just drop to hundreds of feet.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was kicking along, it was amazing, and then something happened.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Something under me happened.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_01: As a native Oregon, I don't know what happened, but everything turned black.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody pulled me down.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then you know, it just it keeps going.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_01: It talks about the name anyway.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is what I do, guys.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um this is what I specialize in.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a lot, there's a lot of folklore out there.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know what I can encourage you is with my autism, if I can do this, anybody can do this.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_01: You can do this.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm gonna post this today on Mythical.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_01: There's a uh charter boat company that reached out in Southern California while taking a group out on a dead humpback well floating in the harbor.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_01: The thing was huge and there were birds everywhere picking at it.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Jet skiers were riding up to it and touching it, and some were even trying to climb it.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Found out later that there were giant adult great white sharks under the whale.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Another time in shore, there were more sharks, but not human.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Can you please post this on mythical creatures around the world?
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to get in touch with you and be on your podcast.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: So, this is what we do.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, guys, you're hearing this in real time, and I just I wanted you guys to be a part of that because this is what we do.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_01: We just and literally this is no joke.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_01: I get these, Port Arthur.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, this is this is what we do.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_01: I get all these crazy stories, and they are crazy, and then people will go, Oh, you know, yeah.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, thank you so much for listening and for just being here and a part of this moment.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um it means the world listen to what we got.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um don't let autism, you know, be the thing that holds you back because I'm living proof it doesn't hold you back.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it just doesn't.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, you can be what you want to be, and you can do what you want if you set your mind to it.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_01: And people with disabilities, we're very smart.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_01: We're very smart.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Justin, anything to add?
• 1:17:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh no, I just echo all that.
• 1:17:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh it's very true.
• 1:17:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh uh, there might not be a straight line to exactly what you want to do.
• 1:17:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There might be some hurdles and some certificates or education, or uh maybe you can learn some things on on your own.
• 1:17:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, but I I think the last thing I want to say is uh as a person who is an instructor at a university, you don't have to go to college, you don't have to go to university.
• 1:17:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You can if you want, but there's people in need so bad, not only here in the United States, I'm I'm guessing, but probably uh other parts of the world.
• 1:17:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, you know, the temperature gets either too hot or too cold, and uh if if you have air conditioning or you have heat or uh you know electricity goes out for you know six, seven days, what do you do?
• 1:18:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so people are in need of people that and I know from firsthand experience, last two summers, some of the hottest days of the year, and our uh air conditioner just decided to stop working.
• 1:18:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Luckily, we didn't have to get a brand new one, and it ended up being compared to a brand new one, uh relatively inexpensive.
• 1:18:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh but if we didn't have anybody to call, we we literally would have just roasted.
• 1:18:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and and and we did uh because this individual uh he was servicing literally our whole neighborhood.
• 1:18:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was going through some some something like this.
• 1:19:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and and so yeah, some things, I mean like I said, not only me being an instructor, but I I have an undergrad in marketing management, I have an MBA in management, and have taught uh college over 10 years, college students, undergrad, uh, master's level, in-person, um, virtual, online.
• 1:19:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um I've created courses, and so I'm saying this as a human being that maybe, maybe you want to, but don't go to school just because family tells you or somebody tells you that you need to do it.
• 1:19:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They're you know, really think through your decisions.
• 1:19:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not telling you not to go, uh, but I I I think you can make, and I'm not, it's not even an I know I think, I know you can make a lot of money going into the trades or going to the two-year uh school uh and and make just as much or more than some of the some of the jobs that people come out of colleges and universities and they can't even find work in their their own field.
• 1:20:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So make sure that you're the one that's making the decisions.
• 1:20:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I I I I can't stress that uh an enough.
• 1:20:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um because of a friend or a cousin or you know, family members, yeah.
• 1:20:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Make sure that you're the one that's making the whatever the decision is, that if you're able to make the decision and all things being equal, right?
• 1:20:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If if if you have the money to do it, um, or you're able to take out loans, uh, you know, just you make the decision because at the end of the day, uh do you want to do the do you want to go work uh with a roommate because a roommate said, hey, I think you should take this major or a cousin or somebody that you meet out at a concert uh just because because you turn into good friends.
• 1:21:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: No, because at the end of the day, I've been there done that.
• 1:21:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I've been I've been a manager, I've been a non-manager, I've hired people, uh, and at the end of the day, people are just people.
• 1:21:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So when the big bosses are telling you you need to fire a couple people on your staff, well, it don't matter how many happy hours you went to with them, it don't matter how many, how many conferences you went to with them, um, they're gonna be looking out for their number one, their self.
• 1:22:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so please, please look out for yourself.
• 1:22:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And again, the people that are riding with you when you're going through a rough patch, those are gonna be the people that you're gonna want to have in your in your circle.
• 1:22:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So thank you, David, for uh spending so much time with us.
• 1:22:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, and we you know obviously look forward to continuing the collaboration um and and reaching people and and uh sharing, like you said, in real time what what we do, what what you do.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, thank you for having me.
• 1:22:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're welcome.
• 1:22:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thanks for watching and listening.
• 1:22:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let everybody know.
• 1:23:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Please follow us on our social media.
• 1:23:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um Instagram and and Facebook are usually the areas uh that we would recommend you mythical creatures around the world, especially on Facebook.
• 1:23:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you don't have a Facebook, get Facebook and follow mythical creatures around the world.
• 1:23:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I can't say anything more than that.
• 1:23:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You've got you've got to see the art.
• 1:23:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You have to see or have somebody play or use sign language, the uh the the folklore that that has come before and and that will be coming uh today and then and in future days.
• 1:23:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so we can't thank you enough.
• 1:23:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We'll see you on the next episode of the show.
• 1:24:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bye bye for now.