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- 0:05SPEAKER_00: And we're clear.
- 0:07SPEAKER_00: Good morning, good afternoon, and evening, Chicago Cubs fans, and welcome back to the Monday Morning Cub Show.
- 0:12SPEAKER_00: Today is Monday, September 14th.
- 0:14SPEAKER_00: I am your host, Carl, joined by Mahoney.
- 0:17SPEAKER_00: It is good to see you, my friend.
- 0:18SPEAKER_00: I know it's audio only, but you are rocking a tremendous Grateful Dead hoodie.
- 0:23SPEAKER_00: It's good to see you, buddy.
- 0:24SPEAKER_01: Hey Carl, good to see you as well.
- 0:26SPEAKER_01: Hey, it looks like you're rocking a nice little Grateful Dead, you know, tie-dye tie-dye shirt with a pocket.
- 0:32SPEAKER_01: Is it a bear?
- 0:33SPEAKER_01: Bear.
- 0:34SPEAKER_01: That's a bear down.
- 0:35SPEAKER_00: That's right, baby.
- 0:36SPEAKER_01: One and oh Grateful Dead shirt.
- 0:38SPEAKER_01: One and oh, 59 points on the board.
- 0:40SPEAKER_01: I'll take it.
- 0:40SPEAKER_01: I'm doing good.
- 0:42SPEAKER_01: A little under the weather over the weekend, Carl.
- 0:44SPEAKER_01: You might see my eyes are a little bit glassy, but it's good to see you.
- 0:49SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's Monday.
- 0:50SPEAKER_01: It's Monday.
- 0:52SPEAKER_01: We got what eight games left.
- 0:54SPEAKER_00: Well, we won the series against against the pirates.
- 0:57SPEAKER_00: We could have swept if the wind wasn't blowing out.
- 0:59SPEAKER_00: We got swept by Milwaukee.
- 1:01SPEAKER_00: We weren't here Friday because of uh, you know, some travel circumstance.
- 1:04SPEAKER_00: We it's not on the outline is the Chicago Bears scoring 59 points.
- 1:09SPEAKER_00: This is not a Chicago Bears show.
- 1:10SPEAKER_00: The Chicago Bears I've I went through months of a childhood where they didn't score a collective 59 points.
- 1:16SPEAKER_00: I watched Jonathan Quinn.
- 1:18SPEAKER_00: Jonathan Quinn could have played a 16-game season for the 2004 Chicago Bears, and we would not have scored 59 points.
- 1:25SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
- 1:27SPEAKER_00: Uh this will come up maybe frequently down the road as the Cubs win the World Series this year.
- 1:31SPEAKER_00: Are we living in a simulation ball or strike?
- 1:34SPEAKER_01: I do think we are living in a simulation for a number of reasons.
- 1:38SPEAKER_01: 59 points, scoring at will, moving the ball at will.
- 1:41SPEAKER_01: It was hard to fathom really what I was watching.
- 1:45SPEAKER_01: And mentioned I was under the weather.
- 1:46SPEAKER_01: I didn't know if I was having a fever dream or what, but by gaunt it, this son of a bitch just might do it.
- 1:52SPEAKER_01: They might score the most points in NFL history.
- 1:56SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
- 1:57SPEAKER_01: They say that in the offseason.
- 1:59SPEAKER_01: You say that as a coach in the offseason.
- 2:01SPEAKER_01: Oh man, you might be shooting yourself in the foot there.
- 2:04SPEAKER_01: And then to come out and do it the first game on the road.
- 2:10SPEAKER_00: Ruthless.
- 2:11SPEAKER_00: He says it.
- 2:11SPEAKER_00: I'm going, I like the confidence, and like maybe that's the stuff you're saying in Hallis Hall, but like I know the meatballs in Chicago.
- 2:18SPEAKER_00: You don't want to be giving David Haw that sound bite.
- 2:21SPEAKER_01: No, you know it's gonna come to bite you.
- 2:23SPEAKER_01: That sound bite will bite you in the ass typically nine out of ten times.
- 2:28SPEAKER_00: Then just out of the gate, hanging 59.
- 2:30SPEAKER_00: Then the other thing at one point the game's tied 21-21.
- 2:34SPEAKER_00: So that obviously good mood.
- 2:36SPEAKER_00: We lost, we can't beat the Milwaukee Brewers.
- 2:39SPEAKER_00: We're gonna talk about that.
- 2:40SPEAKER_00: We're gonna talk about some other stuff.
- 2:41SPEAKER_00: I miss Friday's show.
- 2:42SPEAKER_00: I was down in Nashville, and I just touched briefly with you on this.
- 2:46SPEAKER_00: You know, so I do a lot of stuff outside of obviously the Monday morning cup show isn't the only thing that you know that I'm doing.
- 2:53SPEAKER_00: And so over the last year or so, I've started more creative consulting work, helping people, and one thing leads to one thing, and then you're on a conversation with somebody who owns a company, and then it's like two months ago, I probably started talking to these guys, and then you know, so I'm helping them out with a couple media projects, it's a great media company, sports cards nonsense, but uh just behind the scenes.
- 3:15SPEAKER_00: I'm not hosting shit, I'm not I'm writing shows, I'm helping them make graphics, stuff like that.
- 3:19SPEAKER_00: But then it's like, hey, can you come down to Nashville?
- 3:22SPEAKER_00: Leonard, you know, or can you take a call?
- 3:24SPEAKER_00: Actually, it was can you take a call?
- 3:25SPEAKER_00: Leonard Fournette wants to do something.
- 3:27SPEAKER_00: So then it's me and my buddy Gio, who runs the sports card nonsense, on this call with Leonard Fournette, and then he's like, Hey, can we just meet in Nashville next Friday?
- 3:36SPEAKER_00: So it all happened very quickly, which is why there was no Friday show out.
- 3:40SPEAKER_00: But the like the counterpoint to that is if I'm not doing a Friday show, there's probably a pretty specific circumstance behind it.
- 3:45SPEAKER_00: You know, it's not a golf outing or some bullshit.
- 3:47SPEAKER_01: I've recorded shows in the lobby of a hotel in London, like you know, you do it in the car, usually you've recorded on the phone before.
- 3:55SPEAKER_01: Best part though, I think for me is I notice that there's no show coming, then I see a tweet, and you say specific reasons why.
- 4:04SPEAKER_01: And it's you and Leonard Fournette talking Pokemon cards, and I'm like, what world am I living in right now?
- 4:11SPEAKER_01: What timeline, what simulation is this?
- 4:15SPEAKER_01: Because it's this isn't the only time I've glanced at my phone and found out you were doing something correct uh out of the ordinary, I'd say, on you know, on social media.
- 4:26SPEAKER_01: So very cool stuff, Carl.
- 4:28SPEAKER_01: I I can't like I just I don't even know what to say about it, the other than the fact that you were with Leonard Fournette talking Pokemon.
- 4:37SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'd put you in like you know, you're in a in in the highest tier of my broad stroke of friends, you know.
- 4:45SPEAKER_00: I'd so I'd say like I I probably have a couple groups of friends, you know, you mean Tui have our own special little carve out, and then there's people obviously that touch that, but then there's there's just different groups of friends.
- 4:56SPEAKER_00: I don't know how understood, gotcha.
- 4:58SPEAKER_00: All right, and you're at the you're at the very highest top end of the pyramid of my friendships in life.
- 5:04SPEAKER_00: Okay, so this is a good example of like I hate telling people stuff, I don't like telling people that like, hey, I but hey, I had a great call with Leonard Fournette, you wouldn't believe this.
- 5:14SPEAKER_00: Hey, I got invited down, like until I'm standing there with Leonard Fournette.
- 5:18SPEAKER_00: Until it actually happens, right?
- 5:20SPEAKER_00: Am I comfortable saying, like, hey, I'm down here doing this?
- 5:24SPEAKER_00: Which is kind of weird because then it's like, now I have to explain what the fuck you doing.
- 5:27SPEAKER_00: Now I don't have to explain this, but I would say I think it's very interesting that a guy who ran for 1936 yards in the SEC got gets drafted fourth overall, playoff Lenny wins the Super Bowl in Tampa.
- 5:40SPEAKER_00: You know, he does he made so much money, he doesn't need to keep playing necessarily.
- 5:44SPEAKER_00: You go back to him, you know, when he he's not retired, he won't tell you that a lot of athletes won't.
- 5:49SPEAKER_00: But the interesting thing is that we had spent this time, you know, prepping and calling and talking business, and the business is under the pretense of sports cards and locations, and in you know, stuff he'll it's not my place to talk about it, but he's doing stuff now that he's off the field, and so that's where like the crossover is.
- 6:06SPEAKER_00: And so here's the interesting thing is we're probably 30 minutes into like an hour-long, you know, pre-production call on like what do you want to get out of Nashville?
- 6:16SPEAKER_00: And like, do you have a cameraman?
- 6:17SPEAKER_00: And what type of stuff does he have?
- 6:18SPEAKER_00: Yeah, where he's like, Hey, honestly, I just want to get to a place where I can start talking about Pokemon, and that's like where the the brakes on the car just slam.
- 6:27SPEAKER_00: It's like, what what do you mean you just want to talk about Pokemon?
- 6:31SPEAKER_00: And he's been collecting Pokemon since he was six years old.
- 6:34SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's got a crazy story about growing up in the projects, loving Pokemon, you know, like that was his escape, just crazy shit, dude.
- 6:41SPEAKER_00: And he's got over like a million dollars worth of Pokemon cards, and he's a bona fide expert on it.
- 6:47SPEAKER_00: And what's so hilarious is like in conjunction of this, we've been, you know, like taking meetings behind the scenes, going, all right, there's obviously a lot of money in Pokemon.
- 6:57SPEAKER_00: What's a good, you know, 18-month strategy so that we can go get stuff sponsored?
- 7:02SPEAKER_00: And you just come back to the same thing, you need talent to drive the Pokemon vertical because there's so many people it touches, there's so many different people in it.
- 7:11SPEAKER_00: You need someone where, like, is a beacon that people gravitate towards it.
- 7:14SPEAKER_00: So, as we're like sketching out what the character would look like, just in happenstance, you know, God just puts Leonard Fournette in your life and he's going to college football players of all time.
- 7:24SPEAKER_00: Like, good luck talking shit to Lenny about, yeah, you don't think Pikachu's.
- 7:30SPEAKER_00: I told him at lunch, I go, All right, I have an argument for you.
- 7:32SPEAKER_00: I think Pikachu's fucking lame, dude.
- 7:34SPEAKER_01: All right, if I had a change, he knows the evolution of the characters, he's not just talking about the value of the card, he knows what they morph into in the next level of it's not just a Pichu, that's gonna turn into a Pikachu.
- 7:48SPEAKER_00: He's into it because he watched he's into it because his uncle raised him and he used to watch Pokemon.
- 7:57SPEAKER_00: And then he got into it because of the Game Boy, and he grew up in such a dangerous neighborhood that like you didn't go out at night, he didn't party at all through high school.
- 8:03SPEAKER_00: We talked a lot about it, he's the number one high school football playing recruit in like ever, you know.
- 8:08SPEAKER_00: And so, how much did you party in high school versus partying in LSU?
- 8:11SPEAKER_00: And what's it like to party in the New Orleans projects versus partying at Baton Rouge and stuff?
- 8:15SPEAKER_00: And he's like, honestly, my kicker in high school got murdered, got shot in the head at a party.
- 8:21SPEAKER_00: I didn't go out, I went out twice in high school, and it was like after we won a big championship, and I went right home.
- 8:27SPEAKER_00: I never went out, I didn't want anything to do with going out.
- 8:29SPEAKER_00: He's like, I'd be home playing Game Boy, I'm on my I'm in my Pokemon cards.
- 8:33SPEAKER_00: I mean, think of that.
- 8:34SPEAKER_00: That's just crazy.
- 8:35SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it really is.
- 8:37SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so uh it was a lot of fun.
- 8:39SPEAKER_00: There should be some more stuff coming.
- 8:40SPEAKER_00: I'm editing a video this week of him.
- 8:42SPEAKER_00: I got him in studio talking about running backs and not great running backs, but running backs you admire where he was building his Mount Rushmore of like who are the dogs?
- 8:52SPEAKER_00: Like, who are the like that?
- 8:53SPEAKER_00: I understand there's greatness, but who are the dogs?
- 8:55SPEAKER_00: And he's like sitting there talking about Curtis Martin and just shit.
- 8:58SPEAKER_00: You're like, holy fuck, this is so good.
- 9:01SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's something else, man.
- 9:03SPEAKER_01: What so this wild turn, and really none of we wouldn't even really be able to talk about any of this stuff.
- 9:09SPEAKER_01: The good to see you and you know, hearing about Carl and Pokemon without a certain signature spicy finish.
- 9:18SPEAKER_01: I mean, a certain soda that brings a signature spicy finish.
- 9:21SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, Monique, it's all bite, no rattle, it's a Mexican-style soda.
- 9:26SPEAKER_01: It comes in three bold flavors: your mango myrte, your sandy savaje, which is your spicy watermelon, and of course your Lamon Ladron.
- 9:35SPEAKER_01: You don't want to come across these vagilantes on your taste buds because you're gonna only just want more and more and more.
- 9:40SPEAKER_01: But Thirsty Vacero is the reason why we're doing the show, folks.
- 9:43SPEAKER_01: Fantastic, fantastic stuff.
- 9:45SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you had a nice little case of Thirsty V down in Nashville.
- 9:51SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I tried to smuggle a mango and work on the plane, you know, got in trouble for that.
- 9:56SPEAKER_00: So um, there's really nothing more to say about Thirsty Vicero at this point in the season, other than just stress.
- 10:02SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, you know what?
- 10:03SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at the time here.
- 10:04SPEAKER_00: I'm going 10 minutes into the show.
- 10:07SPEAKER_00: I know we miss Friday.
- 10:10SPEAKER_00: It's taken me a long time personally to get to the point where I'm even comfortable talking about stuff outside of the Monday Morning Cup show to people.
- 10:17SPEAKER_00: And I can't stress enough.
- 10:18SPEAKER_00: I said this in a lineup preview, like, there is a good chance a show doesn't exist at this point.
- 10:24SPEAKER_00: There's a good chance I'm back selling insurance at this point.
- 10:27SPEAKER_00: Like, there I just can't even the last nine minutes, that conversation with Leonard for whatever, dude.
- 10:33SPEAKER_00: And when where the show is going, and basically my life in general, like I you can I can draw so many lines back to Blake Hopkins and Thirsty McCarroll.
- 10:42SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 10:43SPEAKER_00: Like it's crazy.
- 10:44SPEAKER_00: At the exact time where I was like, this is usually where I need to give up.
- 10:48SPEAKER_00: He was like, hey, if I had some money for to get behind you guys, so on a on on here's a here's the two-sided part of this.
- 10:55SPEAKER_01: One straw that serves the drink, but the drink, the straw is a drink.
- 11:00SPEAKER_00: Exactly, Mo.
- 11:02SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
- 11:04SPEAKER_00: Uh the two-prong part of this, I'd say Thursday Big Garo's so good that they they're ex they're in HEB in Texas, which is the only grocery store in Texas.
- 11:13SPEAKER_00: They have so much product, they they're so big that they've been asked to create 12-ounce cans.
- 11:17SPEAKER_00: Even the demand is through the roof in the markets they operate.
- 11:21SPEAKER_00: The national market where you can access them if you don't live in like if you live in Texas, I would say go down the street and just fucking go get a case go to your gas station, it's everywhere in Texas.
- 11:30SPEAKER_00: Uh, but in Chicago, you can get them on Amazon, they'll ship to your they'll ship to your front door.
- 11:34SPEAKER_00: They're it's literally fantastic.
- 11:36SPEAKER_00: It's so fantastic, it's taking over Texas.
- 11:38SPEAKER_00: It's for sale at UT football games.
- 11:42SPEAKER_01: That's something.
- 11:44SPEAKER_00: Watermelon, you can go to concessions at UT football games and get the watermelon.
- 11:49SPEAKER_00: So it's like I'm backing something that is obviously very good.
- 11:52SPEAKER_00: Now, here's the other part of it is that I'd be dead without these guys.
- 11:55SPEAKER_00: I would be not talking cubs with you, not about to go through these great baller strikes, not able to sit down with Leonard Fournette with Lemon Picata, you know, in a beautiful fucking lunch over Angel Hair Pasta.
- 12:06SPEAKER_00: So I'm telling you guys, like I it means a lot to me.
- 12:09SPEAKER_00: That's it.
- 12:09SPEAKER_00: We'll get into the show.
- 12:10SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna do a great job for you guys down the stretch with the Cubs and the playoffs.
- 12:13SPEAKER_00: You know I'm gonna be fucking here sweating, grinding, loving it with you guys.
- 12:16SPEAKER_00: Um, just like support Thirsty Vaquero, please, for the love of God.
- 12:20SPEAKER_00: Please.
- 12:20SPEAKER_00: They cut the checks, they make the show happen.
- 12:22SPEAKER_00: Mahoney, I have prepared a list of baller strikes.
- 12:28SPEAKER_00: Before we do, let's just give out our quick weekly awards.
- 12:30SPEAKER_00: Thirsty Vaquero, they're they're great.
- 12:32SPEAKER_00: Number one, the flavor at UT football games is Pete Crow Armstrong, it's a spicy watermelon.
- 12:37SPEAKER_00: Two, Lamon Ladrone.
- 12:38SPEAKER_00: Do you have someone off the top of your head, or do you want to go Mango Muerte?
- 12:41SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm agnostic towards any go just go to your mango muerte, right, please.
- 12:47SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
- 12:47SPEAKER_00: So my mango muerte is obviously Pedro Ramirez, where it's like right now the after finish is just so is it's just so tasty and delicious.
- 12:56SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm I'm like out of words to say.
- 12:58SPEAKER_01: You almost didn't even see it coming.
- 13:00SPEAKER_00: Right.
- 13:00SPEAKER_00: And then Lamon Ladron, how about this?
- 13:02SPEAKER_00: I know we didn't win either of these games, but Matthew Boyd dragged his balls all over the Brewers and back-to-back starts.
- 13:08SPEAKER_00: And like, was he mismanaged by council?
- 13:10SPEAKER_00: Did he need to take the ball in the ace?
- 13:12SPEAKER_00: Those are some questions I don't really care for as much as I'm interested in this.
- 13:15SPEAKER_00: We're gonna ask Matthew Boyd to pitch game three of a playoff series, I would imagine.
- 13:19SPEAKER_00: It's just great to see him give you multiple tough outings, even if the bullpen didn't back him up.
- 13:25SPEAKER_00: So those are three, those are three of the week.
- 13:27SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
- 13:28SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, agreed on all.
- 13:29SPEAKER_01: Congrats again to PCA.
- 13:31SPEAKER_01: I think that's his 12th or 13th Sandy El Savaje, uh, vigilante of the week.
- 13:36SPEAKER_01: But with with Matthew Boyd, too, man, and like if he's gonna be our number three starter with that pusse on his face, getting kind of pissed off about things, I'll take that.
- 13:46SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I love it.
- 13:48SPEAKER_00: Like, like, even though, again, we come back, the bullpen blows it.
- 13:53SPEAKER_00: There's certain there's things outside of Matthew Boyd's control, and again, I didn't think he should have been pitching the six, or he should have been pitching the eighth.
- 13:59SPEAKER_00: The sixth in the first game was just more of a conservative approach where you're going, we absolutely need to win this game.
- 14:04SPEAKER_00: This game would put a six back as we get in down the stretch.
- 14:08SPEAKER_00: We have an opportunity to win the division, blah blah blah.
- 14:10SPEAKER_00: We obviously know what happens.
- 14:11SPEAKER_00: He goes out for the second.
- 14:12SPEAKER_00: Now, there's a or the sixth, and there's some dinkers, some dunkers.
- 14:15SPEAKER_00: Daniel Palencia comes in, just not a good situation.
- 14:18SPEAKER_01: Nope.
- 14:18SPEAKER_00: Um, and then obviously, we didn't, you know, I think Jacob Webb set a major league record.
- 14:25SPEAKER_00: He's the only player in major league history to give up three consecutive like walk-off or game time home runs in the ninth inning in safe situations.
- 14:32SPEAKER_00: That's never happened before in major league baseball.
- 14:34SPEAKER_01: It was historically bad, that's all I know.
- 14:37SPEAKER_00: So that's why it's easier to celebrate boy to be like, well, on the back end of this is major is that's never happened in the history.
- 14:46SPEAKER_00: So I have a little bit easier.
- 14:48SPEAKER_00: Now, people want me to rip the team.
- 14:49SPEAKER_00: I've gotten a lot of DMs about that.
- 14:52SPEAKER_00: Um, we're not there yet.
- 14:54SPEAKER_00: We're just not, it would be a preemptive ripping.
- 14:57SPEAKER_00: It I think that's fair, Mahoney.
- 15:00SPEAKER_01: That is fair.
- 15:01SPEAKER_01: I don't want to rip anyone right now.
- 15:02SPEAKER_01: We got like a week and a half left of the season.
- 15:05SPEAKER_01: We already know where the problems lie.
- 15:07SPEAKER_01: We've addressed that plenty.
- 15:08SPEAKER_01: It hasn't gone away.
- 15:10SPEAKER_01: We have a lot of good about this team as well that I'd like to shine.
- 15:13SPEAKER_00: Sure.
- 15:14SPEAKER_00: I think that's fair.
- 15:15SPEAKER_00: And if we lost the playoff, or if we lost the series against the pirates, then it's easy then it's like, now I want to come in here and throw a fit because you lost the last game against the Marlins.
- 15:22SPEAKER_00: You get swept by the Brewers, you come out and show your ass.
- 15:25SPEAKER_00: But it's like, you know, we had a weird win against Paul Skeens.
- 15:29SPEAKER_00: We dominated them, the game we needed to dominate, and then it's like we're we're a gusty day away from Pete Crow Armstrong winning himself another game.
- 15:36SPEAKER_00: So let's get into some of these baller strikes, let's take it high level, and let's again ask our audience check out Thirsty McCarrow, leave a review.
- 15:42SPEAKER_00: You know, we we'd like to get to 290 reviews on Spotify.
- 15:46SPEAKER_00: We've been sitting at 289 for two weeks, and I know one of you guys owes me a review, so it just goes.
- 15:50SPEAKER_01: Someone's gonna go in there, get in two seconds.
- 15:53SPEAKER_01: Takes you two seconds.
- 15:54SPEAKER_01: We appreciate it, and we appreciate you.
- 15:56SPEAKER_00: This baller strike is is presented by the maniac.
- 15:58SPEAKER_00: Shout out, Lizard King, shout out cook daddy.
- 16:00SPEAKER_00: Okay, the best of PCA baller strike mahoney.
- 16:03SPEAKER_00: This one's for you.
- 16:04SPEAKER_00: We're gonna do a little Jerry Garcia Bobby Wear here.
- 16:06SPEAKER_00: We're gonna trade songs, we're gonna trade baller strikes, right?
- 16:09SPEAKER_00: Mine from mine for Mahoney to start.
- 16:12SPEAKER_00: I'm not editing that cough out.
- 16:14SPEAKER_00: That's awful.
- 16:14SPEAKER_01: You're fine.
- 16:15SPEAKER_01: Hope you're not coming down with something.
- 16:18SPEAKER_00: This is Carl already has, so it's uh I'm a ticking time bomb, baby.
- 16:21SPEAKER_00: That's what happens when the square footage isn't that big.
- 16:24SPEAKER_00: Okay, baller strike, Mahoney.
- 16:27SPEAKER_00: The best of PCA is better than the best of Sammy Sosa ever was in a Cubs uniform.
- 16:33SPEAKER_00: Baller strike.
- 16:34SPEAKER_01: I have it as a strike, Carl, and I'm gonna tell you why.
- 16:38SPEAKER_01: It's we know what Sammy did, you know, to acquire that that F war 10, whatever season.
- 16:45SPEAKER_01: That's probably the best we're gonna see when he's clubbing 60-something home runs, did it however many times, you know, in his career.
- 16:52SPEAKER_01: PCA overall, the center field that he's playing, uh, the bat that he's bringing, he's not striking out, he's gaying on base, he's stealing bases.
- 17:01SPEAKER_01: He's one of the most complete baseball players I've ever seen in the Cubs uniform, let alone that of Sammy Sosa.
- 17:07SPEAKER_01: So there and that alone is why I have PCA.
- 17:10SPEAKER_01: The best of PCA is better than the best of Sammy Sosa, and that's a strike, Carl.
- 17:16SPEAKER_00: Hey, you you're doing this exactly how I would have liked to see it because you got very literal there, and that's how I write these.
- 17:22SPEAKER_00: So that is true.
- 17:23SPEAKER_00: The best.
- 17:24SPEAKER_00: It's the best that we're talking about.
- 17:26SPEAKER_00: Now, here's where I think an interesting I agree with you that the best of PCA, and it it does come back to the defense.
- 17:32SPEAKER_00: There's a version where Sammy's a great runner, but when Sammy was a great runner, he wasn't the prolific home run hitter.
- 17:38SPEAKER_00: So the combination that Pete has here, I think that kind of makes it easier to understand.
- 17:42SPEAKER_00: And then you add in the defensive side of things.
- 17:45SPEAKER_00: Now they are aligned in electricity, they are aligned in what they mean to the fan base.
- 17:51SPEAKER_00: And if you wanted to have a conversation where I think it's more fair and valuable, it would be Sammy Sosa, the year he won the MVP in '98, was more valuable to the that cub team than PCA in 2026.
- 18:04SPEAKER_00: And I think that's a compelling argument.
- 18:05SPEAKER_01: I think that's a fair ball.
- 18:07SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that well, I I think it's a I think it's a more compelling argument.
- 18:10SPEAKER_00: I think it's a more compelling to have be made.
- 18:14SPEAKER_00: Correct.
- 18:15SPEAKER_00: Because it's if you look at the team Sammy played with, you know, it's like you got Grace, he was good.
- 18:23SPEAKER_00: Uh, you had Henry Rodriguez in left field, he was good.
- 18:27SPEAKER_00: Lance Johnson was certainly fine.
- 18:30SPEAKER_00: Jeff Blauser was his step down, Gary Gaietti was a good trade acquisition.
- 18:35SPEAKER_00: Mickey Morendini was a great free agent signing.
- 18:38SPEAKER_00: Okay, but now here I'm gonna go.
- 18:40SPEAKER_00: We got Alex Bregman at third base.
- 18:42SPEAKER_00: We have Nico Horner at second base.
- 18:44SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, Ian Hef would be a standout on that 98 team.
- 18:49SPEAKER_01: If you look at the two lineups on paper, it would be you would think it's not even close which team is better.
- 18:55SPEAKER_00: But the ball or strike here is the best of Sammy versus the best of PCA, and I think the best of PCA is way better.
- 19:01SPEAKER_00: That's that's where I want to be clear on that.
- 19:03SPEAKER_00: What do you got for me?
- 19:04SPEAKER_01: Well, Carl, let's bring it back now to the year 2026.
- 19:07SPEAKER_01: Baller strike, the bullpen is the biggest reason the Cubs cannot be trusted come October.
- 19:13SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, that just a hundred percent strike that I I think it's such a strike that I want to use it as a reason to draw attention to the fact that like we're past the point of complaining about is the is the are the players good enough?
- 19:27SPEAKER_00: You should not be complaining about a lineup.
- 19:29SPEAKER_00: If they hit Tyrone Taylor eight one game because Jacob Mizerowski has bad reverse splits, then you just suck it up and deal with it.
- 19:36SPEAKER_00: The point here is that the bullpen's so bad that I think before you start complaining about anything else, is like our bullpen sucks, so I don't want to hear about any other thing because the bullpen's so bad.
- 19:45SPEAKER_00: It's like when you have we're redoing the garage, the the roof is leaky.
- 19:50SPEAKER_00: So, like, I can't even talk about the foundation right now.
- 19:53SPEAKER_00: I don't even care about what color the paint is, just you gotta figure out where the leak is coming from.
- 19:58SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's fucked.
- 19:59SPEAKER_01: And you talk about we stopped really talking about the lineup, who's who and what months ago.
- 20:04SPEAKER_01: So I think that that's spot on with the narrative that the Monday morning cub show's been speaking to.
- 20:09SPEAKER_01: But when you know, when it comes to a bullpen, you just are you're you're closing your eyes, hoping for the best, and I don't know who you put in what situation because it's been so trash across the board, so it's not like something you could try to figure out as a fan, like, oh, we should have had him in, because what difference would it have made?
- 20:28SPEAKER_01: So that's the that's the toughest part, especially with how good this team is and every other facet of the game.
- 20:34SPEAKER_01: It's just sucks.
- 20:36SPEAKER_00: But I like the point you called that out.
- 20:37SPEAKER_00: That's not something I've thought about in a minute.
- 20:39SPEAKER_00: Here is like you're right, we haven't really gotten in the lineup in forever, and we've kind of accepted the fact that the lineup's awesome when we do it's at a very high level about how great PCA is.
- 20:49SPEAKER_00: But like, I can't remember the last time I talked about Carson Kelly versus Miguel Amaya in any type of like meaningful comparison way.
- 20:56SPEAKER_00: I can't remember the last time I got into like meat and potatoes of approaches and players.
- 21:00SPEAKER_00: Most of the times men like us versus lefties, generally Michael Bush versus lefties.
- 21:04SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's that yes, takes up took them a lot of time on the show, and then before was who's leading off.
- 21:10SPEAKER_01: That got yeah, solidified, you know, as soon as Pete came down from the number eight.
- 21:15SPEAKER_01: That was basically the last time.
- 21:16SPEAKER_01: Pete was hitting eight, then he was hitting leadoff, hasn't looked back since.
- 21:20SPEAKER_00: And now we say it, what a privilege because so much of my time as a Cubs fan as a child, particularly, is like, all right, I got Zembrano on the mount today, you know.
- 21:28SPEAKER_00: But who do we got?
- 21:29SPEAKER_00: It's like Ronnie C.
- 21:30SPEAKER_00: Daniels had short.
- 21:31SPEAKER_00: You're like, kill me, just take me out back and shoot me.
- 21:33SPEAKER_00: Or when they were like Sarland Castro is the future, and they bring him up, and I love him, he's a great natural hitter.
- 21:38SPEAKER_00: And then it's like he's got his back turned to the pitcher chewing seeds, and you're like, This is not the future, kill me, just take me out back and kill me.
- 21:46SPEAKER_00: And so now that we have this team where it's just dude, every single guy that they roll out on that field, the 11th guy in the roster is Matt Shaw, and I love him.
- 21:55SPEAKER_00: Like, I love watching him play baseball.
- 21:57SPEAKER_00: Pedro Ramirez out of nowhere, there's so many.
- 22:00SPEAKER_00: Great things about the lineup, and it just kills me.
- 22:02SPEAKER_00: We've come back to the bullpen.
- 22:03SPEAKER_00: It's like, yeah, I can't trust in October.
- 22:06SPEAKER_00: I know we're good enough to just roll through teams.
- 22:08SPEAKER_00: We can beat any great right-handed pitcher.
- 22:11SPEAKER_00: We have we have such an advantage in every facet of the game, and we are the worst pitching staff by a mile.
- 22:18SPEAKER_01: No, I know it blows.
- 22:20SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, how about this?
- 22:22SPEAKER_00: Let's change the mood a little bit.
- 22:23SPEAKER_00: If we go back to the weekend, I thought this was interesting and unique.
- 22:25SPEAKER_00: It had me thinking, uh, if I recall correctly, winning on a walk-off HBP.
- 22:32SPEAKER_00: So baller strike, right?
- 22:34SPEAKER_00: Nico Horner gets drilled.
- 22:36SPEAKER_00: We win the game.
- 22:37SPEAKER_00: Is ball or strike?
- 22:38SPEAKER_00: Walk-off HBP is the funniest way to walk off.
- 22:42SPEAKER_00: Baller strike.
- 22:44SPEAKER_01: That I that's a it's a strike, you know, other than like uh no, that's that's the funniest.
- 22:50SPEAKER_01: That's the funniest.
- 22:51SPEAKER_01: That's ball or strike, that's a strike.
- 22:53SPEAKER_01: It is the funniest to have a walk-off hit by pitch.
- 22:56SPEAKER_01: Bases are juiced, you get drilled, you win the game, you're the hero.
- 22:59SPEAKER_01: It's hilarious.
- 23:01SPEAKER_01: The only other interesting thing I was gonna say is with the the uh addition of the review, the APP the when if you challenge a baller strike and then that turns into a walk-off, that would be good too, but it's still getting clunked and plunked is funnier.
- 23:19SPEAKER_00: Does he have to the getting hit?
- 23:20SPEAKER_00: Like if you get drilled somewhere like in the ribs or you have to run and touch first base, and then the teams gotta like mob.
- 23:29SPEAKER_01: Do they mob or gonna yeah, like stay away, stay away, stay away.
- 23:33SPEAKER_01: Get the fuck off me.
- 23:35SPEAKER_00: Another funny one.
- 23:36SPEAKER_00: Obviously, I think we had this.
- 23:37SPEAKER_00: What was like a John Lester bunt?
- 23:39SPEAKER_00: That'll never happen again.
- 23:41SPEAKER_00: Remember when Lester bunted in 16?
- 23:43SPEAKER_00: I think it was against the Baroners or something, and maybe it wasn't to walk off.
- 23:46SPEAKER_00: I have to go back and look.
- 23:46SPEAKER_00: That was a fucking crazy game.
- 23:48SPEAKER_00: Uh, so you can't you have to like no pitchers are of will almost always no pitcher will ever hit again.
- 23:56SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, obviously, except for the two-way guys.
- 23:59SPEAKER_00: So that takes it out.
- 24:00SPEAKER_00: The only thing I had on the list, and I don't know if it's as funny, it's just more like it's more of a circus.
- 24:06SPEAKER_00: So, like the great the greatest circus walk-off has to be the drop third strike walk-off.
- 24:12SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that would be circus.
- 24:13SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's circus for sure.
- 24:15SPEAKER_01: Drop third strike.
- 24:18SPEAKER_01: The base has to be open, right?
- 24:21SPEAKER_01: So then the catcher either then fires it, yes, the first baseman into the scene.
- 24:26SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's great.
- 24:27SPEAKER_01: That's that's hilarious.
- 24:28SPEAKER_01: That's great.
- 24:29SPEAKER_01: We're like, what can you think about the scenario?
- 24:32SPEAKER_00: Here, I'll describe it.
- 24:33SPEAKER_00: There's a there's a runner on there's a runner on third base, two outs, two strike, oh two count, and just like a great buried slider.
- 24:42SPEAKER_00: And the catcher blocks it and the ball's in front of him, but the the batter busts his ass down to first base, and the catcher just really casually, you know, and the guy on third base is jogging home, obviously.
- 24:53SPEAKER_00: He he's assuming the catcher never make the catchers never miss his throw.
- 24:57SPEAKER_00: That's why they're big league catchers because big league catchers are the most accurate throwers on the field.
- 25:01SPEAKER_00: People don't realize that.
- 25:02SPEAKER_00: You give a big league catcher one second to gather himself, he will throw it at your fucking head every single time.
- 25:09SPEAKER_00: You cannot say the same about other guys because it's just a different position.
- 25:12SPEAKER_00: The guys in the big leagues that catch can fucking rifle it.
- 25:15SPEAKER_00: So the idea of some guy just air mailing it down the right field line at Wrigley Field.
- 25:21SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm still taking HBP.
- 25:23SPEAKER_00: I still think that's awesome.
- 25:25SPEAKER_00: Somebody in the ribs, cracked rib, not really sure.
- 25:29SPEAKER_01: You kind of laugh at the pitcher who did it too.
- 25:31SPEAKER_00: It's like, ah, we got you, you idiot.
- 25:35SPEAKER_00: All right, what do you got for me?
- 25:36SPEAKER_01: Uh, let's roll it up here.
- 25:38SPEAKER_01: We got baller strike Carl.
- 25:39SPEAKER_01: Alex Bregman is the cub I trust the most with the season on the line.
- 25:43SPEAKER_00: See, this is just like, are you baiting me into trying to like get a clip out here where I say something where do I like Bregman more than PCA with the season on the line?
- 25:53SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
- 25:54SPEAKER_01: You know, I have the line.
- 25:56SPEAKER_00: I just have to go ball because it's PCA's team.
- 26:00SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing Bregman is in the second half almost the perfect supporting character to what PCA does from a standpoint of you know, like Bregman doesn't strike out nearly as much as Pete, even though Pete's killed his K-rate over throughout the season, and he's been sensational and his walk rate's gone through the roof.
- 26:21SPEAKER_00: But just that dynamic of the one-two punch, and then obviously Suzuki hits two when you go one-two-three.
- 26:27unknown: Right.
- 26:27SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna call it a ball because PCA it's PCA's team.
- 26:31SPEAKER_00: But what I'm gonna do is in in they say it's a ball, but like that's the type of pitch that like you can absolutely swing at, you can absolutely put that ball in play.
- 26:42SPEAKER_00: You know, you can you and you can swing over the top of it, right?
- 26:45SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's a really good look, it's a really good looking pitch.
- 26:48SPEAKER_00: Do you disagree or like no?
- 26:50SPEAKER_01: I don't.
- 26:51SPEAKER_01: I think anything this question was a bit of a setup.
- 26:54SPEAKER_01: You almost you have to say PCA, but though you can't just ignore the not adjustment, but just the turnaround that Bregman has had, the adjustment of his swing, I'd say.
- 27:04SPEAKER_01: But other than that, as a player, the bats he puts together, the pitches he takes versus you know, I mean, just the pitches that he takes to drives, what he he knows what he's looking to hit, and um it's nice to have those guys at the top of the order, I'll tell you that much, Carl.
- 27:20SPEAKER_00: 100.
- 27:21SPEAKER_00: 100.
- 27:22SPEAKER_00: It's great to it's great to be at a point where we've put to bed the 35 million dollar signing.
- 27:27SPEAKER_00: You know, that was an annoying thing the first couple months of the season was like, you know, spend all that money, watch the bullpen be so bad, etc.
- 27:36SPEAKER_00: I shouldn't even, you know, I'm opening up the floodgates here, but Matt Shaw's been hurt, but there was a point where it was annoying that's like, hey, Shaw slugged 530 in the second half.
- 27:44SPEAKER_00: Why'd we go drop 35 million on this?
- 27:46SPEAKER_00: Well, then when Alex Bregman hits 12 homers in the month of August with 30 RBIs and a 300 batting average, it's essentially like you're gonna need you need multiple bats that can change a game in October.
- 28:00SPEAKER_00: So PCA is one of them.
- 28:01SPEAKER_00: Now the Cubs in 2016 had it.
- 28:03SPEAKER_00: I don't need to remind you, Addison Russell hit so many pivotal home pivotal homers against the Dodgers and the Indians.
- 28:09SPEAKER_00: But you also have Chris Bryant breaking open the World Series, I believe, game five.
- 28:14SPEAKER_00: And when I say breaking open, I mean tying it up or taking a lead.
- 28:17SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, obviously Rizzo did his damage, but when you think about that team, you know, I'm going back to the obviously the success, the most success that we've had in the playoffs.
- 28:27SPEAKER_00: It really you come back to and say we have bats that can change games, you know, fundamentally.
- 28:32SPEAKER_00: So PCA is obviously one of them, and that's why you pay Bregman$35 million, because in those situations, when when it comes, we didn't have them last year.
- 28:41SPEAKER_00: When it comes, when we're playing the Brewers, when it's whoever it is, if we can get through the wild card, you know, like that's why you get the$35 million.
- 28:49SPEAKER_00: And the fact that we're even having the conversation about is Bregman the guy we trust the most when PCA is having a season that we're considering the best is just a great, even though it's not his team, and I trust PCA more.
- 29:00SPEAKER_00: The fact we're getting entertain it is a great sign, my friend.
- 29:03SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is absolutely Carl.
- 29:05SPEAKER_01: What you got?
- 29:05SPEAKER_01: What you got for me?
- 29:06SPEAKER_00: Well, I think this is a great sign.
- 29:08SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna ask you this ball or strike, Pedro Ramirez will be our folklore hero in October.
- 29:14SPEAKER_01: I have it as a ball, but just outside, and I'm gonna tell you why.
- 29:18SPEAKER_01: It's because there's a certain person named Matt Shaw in the lineup as well.
- 29:22SPEAKER_01: I have or not in the lineup available.
- 29:24SPEAKER_01: I have an inkling that Pedro Ramirez will continue to do what he does.
- 29:29SPEAKER_01: I do that see that there's a chance that he will be, but there's something in the back of my mind saying that Matt Shaw is going to be in a moment that's gonna come through, and it's gonna be almost like the forgotten guy comes back to life and brings the team a boost when we needed it most.
- 29:47SPEAKER_01: So I have it as a ball just outside.
- 29:49SPEAKER_01: It could be a strike.
- 29:51SPEAKER_01: I think Pedro Ramirez has already kind of been somewhat of a folklore hero, but he could take it to the next level for sure with a huge at bat in October.
- 30:01SPEAKER_01: But I have a feeling that that might be Matt Shaw's role.
- 30:04SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then let's be specific about what we mean with like folklore heroes.
- 30:07SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know if Bregman would have to do a lot to be a folklore hero, PCA would have to do a lot.
- 30:13SPEAKER_00: I think the folklore hero equation is kind of measured from like what opportunities do you expect?
- 30:19SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't expect Pedro Ramirez more than you know, like really well put together at bats, or I should say well um strategic played appearances.
- 30:30SPEAKER_00: I don't think he'll get as many as obviously Nico Horner will be playing every game in the playoffs, and like were they're gonna use Pedro would be interesting to see.
- 30:38SPEAKER_00: Would they dh him in a game one against a ready that he hits hard and if he's hitting the ball as hard as he is down the stretch of the season?
- 30:44SPEAKER_00: Would they dh him and have Suzuki play right field?
- 30:47SPEAKER_00: That would be super interesting.
- 30:49SPEAKER_00: And there's a lot of different ways where I feel like Pedro Muiras can have these moments uh where not necessarily you're he might be able to have more opportunities to have the big moment.
- 31:01SPEAKER_00: It'll be interesting to see.
- 31:03SPEAKER_00: He rises to every time the occasion is presented to him, he I think he has he's done well.
- 31:09SPEAKER_00: If he's healthy, I know there's been some physical issues that have not maybe kept, I shouldn't say not maybe absolutely haven't put him on the aisle, uh, but maybe have limited Craig's usage of him.
- 31:19SPEAKER_00: So just keep your eye on it.
- 31:20SPEAKER_00: I think it's just an interesting person to talk about as we get in October because I don't think he cares.
- 31:26SPEAKER_00: I don't think he cares if a pitcher's very good, I don't think he cares if he's hitting eight or if he's hitting six or if he's playing second or if he's pinch hitting or if he hasn't played in two days.
- 31:36SPEAKER_00: I think that as soon as you get in the batter's box, it's like the same guy, no matter what, is kind of my sense of this player, which makes me love him.
- 31:43SPEAKER_01: Well, let's mark that down at you know the minute 31 of the Monday morning cup show on September 14th with Pedro Ramirez.
- 31:51SPEAKER_01: We said that he was gonna do it.
- 31:52SPEAKER_01: I remember changing my answer to his strike.
- 31:55SPEAKER_01: Carl, all our strike.
- 31:57SPEAKER_01: Getting Dansby back is gonna be more important than anything the Cubs can accomplish over the next four regular season games.
- 32:04SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just can't.
- 32:05SPEAKER_00: We need him back so bad.
- 32:07SPEAKER_00: It's like we can do the best we can.
- 32:08SPEAKER_00: It's a strike, it's just it's just so important to get him back so we can move Nico back to second base, we can start giving people rests, and we can start gearing ourselves up down the stretch, giving ourselves some rest to is important, obviously, is we want to get this number one wild card spot, just being as fresh as we can.
- 32:24SPEAKER_00: So, like the sooner we get Danzby back, the better it's gonna be for everybody involved, and I mean everybody, and I hope people who talked a lot of trash about Dansby Swanson throughout his tenure as a cub have had a chance to watch the way the team takes the field with and without him.
- 32:37SPEAKER_01: So Carl, one thing too, and you actually mentioned this to me earlier in the green room, they're below 500 was since his oblique injury.
- 32:45SPEAKER_01: Correct.
- 32:46SPEAKER_01: So cubs are below 500 team without Dan's being the lineup.
- 32:49SPEAKER_01: We need him back, and just having that, yeah.
- 32:52SPEAKER_00: They're stored up the middle, but then people turn around and they say Nico Horner's one of the best shortstops, and and it's great.
- 32:59SPEAKER_00: I agree, Nico Horner's an awesome shortstop.
- 33:02SPEAKER_00: He's certain he's good enough to start on probably 10 other National League teams at shortstop.
- 33:06SPEAKER_01: You know, nine at second, better at second, and we have another guy who happens to be a better shortstop than an a great shortstop.
- 33:12SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's it.
- 33:13SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Mohone.
- 33:13SPEAKER_00: It just comes right back to that.
- 33:14SPEAKER_00: It's like no matter how good he is, it is so much better when he's on the other side of the bag and the other guys on that side of the bag.
- 33:20SPEAKER_00: So, um, all right, here's here's one that's a little deeper for you, Mahoney.
- 33:24SPEAKER_00: Take this one for a test drive.
- 33:26SPEAKER_00: I'm very interested in your opinion after the after the last couple games.
- 33:30SPEAKER_00: Ball or strike.
- 33:32SPEAKER_00: We can beat Milwaukee in the playoffs, five games or seven.
- 33:37SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I I'm gonna go ahead and say it's a strike, Carl, for me.
- 33:41SPEAKER_01: I I know we can.
- 33:43SPEAKER_01: We can beat them.
- 33:45SPEAKER_01: Will we?
- 33:46SPEAKER_01: I that's to be seen.
- 33:48SPEAKER_01: But yes, we can.
- 33:49SPEAKER_01: We get a good start out of clay, we get a good start out of Gaussman, we get to the Miz.
- 33:54SPEAKER_01: We've shown what we can do.
- 33:55SPEAKER_01: We have a great lineup, great defense.
- 33:58SPEAKER_01: It's the playoffs, anything can happen.
- 34:01SPEAKER_01: Yeah, based on recent results, you know, I would say that's a ball.
- 34:05SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
- 34:06SPEAKER_01: Where I'm at on this Monday, I'm gonna go ahead and say it's a strike.
- 34:09SPEAKER_00: And I 100% agree with you.
- 34:12SPEAKER_00: I mean, I just absolutely can because the way we lose those games to Milwaukee are just in heartbreaking, tragic fashion.
- 34:18SPEAKER_00: And I'm not a subscriber to this, you know, we can't, and it'll never happen, or whatever that pussy attitude is.
- 34:25SPEAKER_00: It's more from the standpoint of we have played them well, we have scored five runs against Jacob Mizrowski.
- 34:33SPEAKER_00: You know, we had we have played tough games against the Brewers, and unfortunately, we've ended up on the wrong side, and part of ending up on the wrong side has involved just horrific bullpen performances, right?
- 34:46SPEAKER_01: These games looked like they were in the bag, yeah.
- 34:48SPEAKER_00: So, like to say we can't beat them in the playoffs now, ball or strike, it's embarrassing our win-loss record against the Milwaukee Brewers.
- 34:57SPEAKER_00: Strike that's strike embarrassing that we're gonna lose the division again this year.
- 35:01SPEAKER_00: Strike, it's all that's all that shit's true, and it's embarrassing that we can't show up in those biggest games of the moment, uh biggest games of the year, and get it over the finish line.
- 35:10SPEAKER_00: But if we can't get it over the finish line because it's our defense sucks, we got liabilities in the lineup, we're never gonna be good enough.
- 35:17SPEAKER_01: The starting pitch trash errors made or something, you know, some shit like that.
- 35:23SPEAKER_00: Like, is even though the hardest part is the fact that we can't get these high leverage outs, it's also in return this easiest thing to solve if we're gonna have to solve one issue to be effective in October.
- 35:36SPEAKER_00: It's like we need starting pitching, we need good bats, we need guys we can trust in high leverage moments on the offensive side to get a crooked number.
- 35:44SPEAKER_00: We need guys who can turn games around.
- 35:46SPEAKER_00: So it's like, all right, fine.
- 35:46SPEAKER_00: We'll fit somebody's gonna step up, somebody's gonna step up, is my feeling.
- 35:51SPEAKER_00: So, what do you got for me?
- 35:52SPEAKER_01: Nothing one of which those days where you could just have a starting pitcher go eight, nine innings and just be locked in.
- 35:58SPEAKER_01: We're still around.
- 35:59SPEAKER_01: Uh, here's what I got for you, Carl.
- 36:01SPEAKER_01: Ball or strike holding on to that number one wildcard spot should be treated like winning a division title.
- 36:07SPEAKER_00: 100%.
- 36:08SPEAKER_00: We're in that mode.
- 36:09SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a strike.
- 36:10SPEAKER_00: We're just that we're just in that mode.
- 36:11SPEAKER_00: We want to host at Wrigley, you know, just way different.
- 36:13SPEAKER_00: Day games at Wrigley.
- 36:14SPEAKER_00: We have that type of veteran team that can travel, but like I would much much rather have us at home.
- 36:20SPEAKER_00: I think that's a slam dunk.
- 36:21SPEAKER_00: Do you disagree?
- 36:22SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think about it.
- 36:24SPEAKER_01: It's the same sentiment at the same time that we were at last season discussing the same thing.
- 36:30SPEAKER_01: You know, we need that home field advantage to get going in the playoffs.
- 36:35SPEAKER_01: You know, we're tied with Phillies right now.
- 36:38SPEAKER_01: We hold the tiebreaker over anybody, I think, that can even tie us.
- 36:42SPEAKER_01: So that's solid, but we need to get that series at Wrigley Field.
- 36:46SPEAKER_01: That's going to be the most important thing for this team to continue its thriving in the postseason and to get a series win.
- 36:54SPEAKER_00: We're a much better team than the Phillies.
- 36:56SPEAKER_00: And then the Phillies just uh there's something going on.
- 36:58SPEAKER_00: Jesus Lozardo, who strikes out like 12 and a half per nine, one of the starting pitchers we wanted to get.
- 37:03SPEAKER_00: Medicals didn't get cleared, etc.
- 37:06SPEAKER_00: Now, I don't know if he's going to the aisle as much as they're just kind of like shutting down some of his next couple starts.
- 37:10SPEAKER_00: Matt Inley had said over the weekend because he's got left shoulder stiffness.
- 37:14SPEAKER_00: The reason that's important is because they're going to start Christopher Sanchez game one, who's going to be very difficult to hit.
- 37:19SPEAKER_00: You know, that's like a game where you can win two to one, three to two, and it takes a lot.
- 37:23SPEAKER_00: You know, it's just going to take a lot.
- 37:24SPEAKER_00: So then you want to come back game two and obviously just have the ad advantage game two.
- 37:29SPEAKER_00: Now, game two, we should be sending out somebody like Clay Holmes, I would guess.
- 37:33SPEAKER_00: I would guess Clay Holmes, you know.
- 37:36SPEAKER_00: But like if they don't have Lazardo, we're in we're in such a good spot.
- 37:42SPEAKER_00: And if you're telling me they don't have Lazardo, they've got Lazardo where he's kind of been shut down towards the end of the season.
- 37:47SPEAKER_00: And these games are at Wrigley where it's loud.
- 37:50SPEAKER_00: I think that's where it can impact a guy like Lazardo.
- 37:52SPEAKER_00: And I think it's a chance where we can get into what I don't think the Phillies, I know we have a trash bullpen right now, but I don't think the I, you know, I'm like, I'm not necessarily scared of that.
- 38:00SPEAKER_00: I'm scared of a couple left-handed bats on the Phillies, and I think we get the guys to shut them down.
- 38:04SPEAKER_00: So it is absolutely the most important thing in the season, though, Mahoney, right now, is getting that first wild card spot.
- 38:09SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what's up.
- 38:11SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
- 38:11SPEAKER_01: That's a strike for me as well, Carl.
- 38:13SPEAKER_00: All right, now if we do get the first wild card spot, we are at home.
- 38:16SPEAKER_00: So this is a baller strike that basically I'm gonna give you some stats, and then I'm gonna give you the ball or strike.
- 38:21SPEAKER_00: So the Cubs are at home 15 games over 500 when wearing the pinstripes at 39 and 24, but four and seven in these baby blue, whatever in the blues.
- 38:32SPEAKER_00: So, like, do we just need to just go full penny from here on out?
- 38:36SPEAKER_00: Baller strike.
- 38:37SPEAKER_01: Go full penny.
- 38:39SPEAKER_01: That's a strike down the middle, Carl.
- 38:42SPEAKER_01: I don't care what time it is on Friday, and you have to the obligation to Nike or whomever it is to wear one of the four uniforms however many times over the course of the season.
- 38:54SPEAKER_01: If we have any veto power whatsoever, we're wearing pinstripes in the playoffs, and that's it.
- 39:00SPEAKER_00: That's it.
- 39:01SPEAKER_00: That's it.
- 39:03SPEAKER_01: What when these alternate I'm sick of them, I'm sick of these alternate uniforms.
- 39:07SPEAKER_01: I buy the hats, they don't do a goddamn thing for me, they don't help the team.
- 39:12SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter.
- 39:13SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, I understand where there's merchandise sales, it looks good, but you you wear what you win in, goddammit.
- 39:19SPEAKER_01: You if you know what the manager, I bet you used to have the full say of what we're wearing, when we're wearing, and how we're wearing it, and that all got taken away with uh you know these these deals they make with all these big giant merchandise companies, everyone just trying to pump the dollar.
- 39:36SPEAKER_01: You wear what you win in, and that's it.
- 39:38SPEAKER_01: And in the playoffs, you better have that decision-making skill.
- 39:41SPEAKER_00: It used to it used to be the starting pitchers, uh right.
- 39:45SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they did.
- 39:45SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they got to say they got to say it every time.
- 39:47SPEAKER_00: So they that but you have a range, so you could say, hey, we could wear so Zembrano only wanted to pitch in the blue jersey, like ever.
- 39:54SPEAKER_00: Only you look at Zembrano highlights, it's just Zembrano wearing the wearing the wearing the club's blue road jersey with the with the fucking pinstripes, yeah.
- 40:06SPEAKER_00: It looks so bad.
- 40:09SPEAKER_01: Pinstripe pants with just the blue top, it looks so bad.
- 40:15SPEAKER_00: Oh man, no, I get what you're saying, and I'm I'm see I'm being serious though, because I I'm a huge proponent.
- 40:22SPEAKER_00: As much as people love statistics, I love vibes, I love a good clubhouse.
- 40:28SPEAKER_00: I love when guys are in a great mood, showing up with attitude, a little bouncing the step.
- 40:32SPEAKER_00: That's where I find the margins.
- 40:34SPEAKER_00: All right, so like obviously the difference between a 350 and a 340 OBP is obvious, but I'm telling you, man, I think if we go full pennies, it's like the same difference between a 360 and a 320 OBP.
- 40:45SPEAKER_00: I think it has that level of the vibes, the baseball got.
- 40:50SPEAKER_00: I believe in that stuff.
- 40:51SPEAKER_00: Now you don't have to, but I believe in it.
- 40:53SPEAKER_00: And when the data says that, my honey, if yeah, fuck yeah, strike.
- 40:56SPEAKER_00: Go.
- 40:58SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I want to see grass on the uniforms.
- 41:00SPEAKER_01: I want to see the dirt really showing up in its true color, you know, no that's mixed smeared with blue.
- 41:07SPEAKER_01: Now, whatever.
- 41:08SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna go down that path right now, Carl.
- 41:10SPEAKER_01: I got one more for you.
- 41:11SPEAKER_01: Ball or strike, Clay Holmes belongs to number one postseason starter for the Cubs.
- 41:15SPEAKER_01: Clay Holmes.
- 41:16SPEAKER_00: That's really interesting.
- 41:18SPEAKER_00: That's really interesting.
- 41:20SPEAKER_00: Here's here's my argument.
- 41:23SPEAKER_00: I've said forever it would be Gossman one, Clay Holmes two.
- 41:26SPEAKER_00: Here's where I'm gonna open up the door for Clay Holmes to be the one is if we do play the Phillies and Lazardo is not starting, then I'm gonna have Clay Holmes go toe-to-toe with Sanchez, knowing Gossman's gonna get game two in a huge advantage.
- 41:40SPEAKER_00: He could he'll be way better than you know.
- 41:43SPEAKER_00: I would get I don't have the Phillies depth chart in front of me, and I don't know where Zach Wheeler is.
- 41:49SPEAKER_00: All right, so someone could say, hey, asshole, he's been out the whole fucking season.
- 41:52SPEAKER_00: I don't watch the Phillies, I watch the Cubs.
- 41:55SPEAKER_01: That's that would be a me move.
- 41:56SPEAKER_01: Like I just bring up a guy who hasn't played in two years.
- 41:59SPEAKER_00: That chip sales for me.
- 42:01SPEAKER_00: But I would, I would here's where I'm going is if that advantage swings itself so much, because what you get from Gossman is the fact he's just been there before, loves picking up the ball in a big game.
- 42:10SPEAKER_00: Where Clay Holmes has not been.
- 42:12SPEAKER_00: I mean, Clay Holmes has picked the ball up in big games, etc., and has been there before, is pitching big games and high leverage moments out of the bullpen and playoffs and has been really good and all this stuff, but Gossman's done it time again, so that's where I'm going.
- 42:25SPEAKER_00: Wherever that Gossman's done it time and again shows itself the biggest advantage, is where I'd want to see it because Clay Holmes is good enough to pitch a one or a two.
- 42:32SPEAKER_00: What I'm saying is the advantage that you have is you have this guy at Gossman.
- 42:36SPEAKER_00: And so, does that advantage show itself better in a game one matchup so that Clay Holmes can can really thrive in a game two where you go, hey, we need you to go pitch for pitch with Lazardo, he's probably gonna punch out 10 of us.
- 42:48SPEAKER_00: Well, then you want Clay Holmes to be going against Lazardo, you know.
- 42:51SPEAKER_00: So I it's I know this is nuanced and confusing for some people, but the answer I have is uh it is a ball right now, based on the information that I have available to me.
- 43:02SPEAKER_00: But there's a good chance, you know, it's a very good chance.
- 43:05SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then I guess we should go back and just remind people the diamondbacks are chasing the the Padres who are chasing the Phillies who are tied with us, and I think those are really the only four teams in the standings.
- 43:16SPEAKER_00: If Mahoney, if you could pull that up real quick, just NL wildcard standings.
- 43:19SPEAKER_00: Like I believe at the time we record this on September 14th, here in the morning, Monday morning as we get ready to publish this.
- 43:25SPEAKER_00: I believe the four teams for those three wild card spots are the Cubs tied with the Phillies.
- 43:33SPEAKER_01: Correct.
- 43:33SPEAKER_01: San Diego Padres, Diamondbacks, and that bad about does it.
- 43:37SPEAKER_01: Diamondbacks are two and a half behind the Padres.
- 43:40SPEAKER_00: So we'll see, guys.
- 43:42SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's a this is a good this is a good time to be a Cubs fan, that's for sure.
- 43:45SPEAKER_01: You know, we have the Braves coming to town here at Wrigley starting tonight.
- 43:50SPEAKER_01: I think it's a six forty game, and then we are on to Well, we're off on Thursday, then we're into Cincinnati.
- 44:01SPEAKER_01: So Cincinnati haven't haven't competed very well against the Reds all season.
- 44:05SPEAKER_01: If we beat them, we might be talking about a division title.
- 44:10SPEAKER_00: So the one thing that's interesting is that the Braves are chasing the Dodgers to get uh to get a bye.
- 44:21SPEAKER_00: Because the the third division winner.
- 44:26SPEAKER_00: So Milwaukee's Milwaukee's gonna be the I mean this is just doing this at the day of.
- 44:32SPEAKER_00: You know, Milwaukee's three games above the Dodgers.
- 44:34SPEAKER_00: They'll probably be the one C.
- 44:35SPEAKER_00: The Dodgers have 90 wins, Milwaukee is 93.
- 44:38SPEAKER_00: The Braves have 88.
- 44:39SPEAKER_00: So this is just purpose for the Braves coming to town.
- 44:42SPEAKER_00: The Braves are heavily incentivized to catch the Dodgers.
- 44:45SPEAKER_00: So we're not getting a Braves team that's gonna be shutting shit down.
- 44:48SPEAKER_00: We're gonna be getting a Braves team that very much wants to catch the Dodgers.
- 44:52SPEAKER_00: Because if they catch the Dodgers, then they don't have to play the sixth, the sixth playoff team, the third wild card team.
- 44:59SPEAKER_00: We gotta figure out a way to talk about that.
- 45:01SPEAKER_01: Well, we should see some good baseball, you know, against Atlanta here in Chicago over the next three games.
- 45:06SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
- 45:07SPEAKER_01: We know Ian Happy's day to day with left knee discomfort, so that's something to keep an eye on.
- 45:12SPEAKER_01: Hate that too, but he's still running and everything.
- 45:15SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm hoping that this is just some maintenance leading into October.
- 45:21SPEAKER_00: And we are so lucky we don't see Chris Ale.
- 45:25SPEAKER_01: That's nice.
- 45:25SPEAKER_01: I didn't know.
- 45:26SPEAKER_01: I was just trying to research that while we run.
- 45:30SPEAKER_00: I got that for you, buddy.
- 45:31SPEAKER_00: We we're not faced with he's he's pitching I think he's pitching Thursday against Houston or something.
- 45:36SPEAKER_00: But so we're lucky that we don't see Chris Ale because that's basically a guaranteed loss.
- 45:39SPEAKER_00: I don't need that on my mind going down the stretch.
- 45:41SPEAKER_00: So here's the reality we have a great team.
- 45:46SPEAKER_00: We have a game at home against the Braves tonight.
- 45:48SPEAKER_00: We go out and we play hard.
- 45:50SPEAKER_00: We do that Tuesday.
- 45:51SPEAKER_00: I'm really looking forward.
- 45:52SPEAKER_01: I'm looking forward to it.
- 45:53SPEAKER_01: I'm looking forward to it.
- 45:55SPEAKER_01: I really am, Carl.
- 45:56SPEAKER_01: Friendly reminder to all those out there.
- 45:58SPEAKER_01: Certify your unemployment to benefits if today is your day.
- 46:01SPEAKER_01: And um, that's really all I had to close on because it's just a reminder for myself to do so, so I don't miss out on any of that.
- 46:09SPEAKER_00: How's that going?
- 46:10SPEAKER_00: You got any leads?
- 46:11SPEAKER_01: No, I don't give a shit.
- 46:12SPEAKER_01: I'm not looking at all right now, dude.
- 46:14SPEAKER_01: I would I'm coasting, I got other stuff going on.
- 46:17SPEAKER_01: I don't think I'm looking for a job.
- 46:19SPEAKER_01: Appell Technologies, that's it.
- 46:21SPEAKER_01: It's my baby, and then I gotta take care of my kids.
- 46:23SPEAKER_00: I've been there.
- 46:24SPEAKER_00: It's you're just like, give me a break for a second here, guys.
- 46:27SPEAKER_01: Like it could be worse, it could be a lot worse, dude.
- 46:30SPEAKER_00: It's a nice day.
- 46:31SPEAKER_00: It is a nice day, it's a reminder for audience to do one of two things.
- 46:36SPEAKER_00: Check out Thirsty for Carol and also leave us a review.
- 46:39SPEAKER_01: Spot Spotify guys, Spotify listeners, somebody's got to put us up to 290.
- 46:44SPEAKER_01: We'd appreciate it.
- 46:44SPEAKER_00: I know, I know you Apple creatures.
- 46:46SPEAKER_00: The problem I have the numbers, and so it's like it and we have a highly rated show if you search for like if you wanted to do the comparison, like I have a lot of conviction in our maniacs and all this stuff.
- 46:58SPEAKER_00: It's just between now and the end of the baseball season is a good time to continue to build that gap because I do love the fact that Mahoney and I do this show and we're sponsored by our buddies beverage company, and like yeah, we're never I'm literally never gonna take DraftKings money.
- 47:13SPEAKER_00: I am I am never going to take money from any gambling prediction market fucking bullshit.
- 47:20SPEAKER_00: And there's so much stuff out there that is propped up by that easy, and I just love having I want to run it down their throats with the ratings.
- 47:27SPEAKER_00: I want so when people go and they look at stuff, it's like, yeah, no, you can go, you can go listen to the the fucking guys over there telling you what to bet on and how to waste your money.
- 47:35SPEAKER_00: Mahoney and I are gonna be over here baller striking uniform combinations for the stretch, and it's gonna be presented by Thirsty Fucking Vacero.
- 47:44SPEAKER_00: That's a fact.
- 47:44SPEAKER_01: So I I yes, I'm not gonna get into it, it would just shove down our throats opening weekend of the NFL.
- 47:50SPEAKER_01: You got Kay Adams like dance, everything is just it's all about what happened to this the sport, dude.
- 48:00SPEAKER_00: What happened?
- 48:01SPEAKER_00: Having a gambling debt used to be cool.
- 48:05SPEAKER_00: I'm saying, like when I was 26, owing money was not was like a yeah, I'm in the hole.
- 48:10SPEAKER_00: I owe money, I gotta get out of it.
- 48:11SPEAKER_00: It was two money.
- 48:13SPEAKER_00: Now it's just gone, dude.
- 48:14SPEAKER_00: Now you gotta put it up.
- 48:16SPEAKER_00: I just gotta put it up, and you just put it up and lose it, right?
- 48:19SPEAKER_00: It's the end of the day, it's just all gone.
- 48:20SPEAKER_00: Back in the day, where it would be like, hey, I have a balance, that balance is$1500.
- 48:25SPEAKER_00: You got to get it under that balance, or else it's paid.
- 48:27SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's so many things about gambling in the two thousand from 2006 to 2000, whenever it went legal, that was so cool.
- 48:35SPEAKER_00: That was and I mean, like, cool relative to what it is now.
- 48:39SPEAKER_00: Now, cool meaning if an announcer said during a game on a missed kick, well, some people are gonna be unhappy with that one.
- 48:48SPEAKER_00: We'd sit at home and be like, I think he's talking about the over, and then we'd be like, dude, that announcement's cool, right?
- 48:53SPEAKER_00: Definitely, Joe Buck just subtly, subtly mentioned the over.
- 48:56SPEAKER_00: Now it's like, before we go to commercial break, I just want to remind you of your touchdown props.
- 49:01SPEAKER_00: Fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you.
- 49:03SPEAKER_00: Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.
- 49:05SPEAKER_00: I'll get all the fuck you zin I want at the end of the thing.
- 49:08SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hell yeah.
- 49:09SPEAKER_00: You know, I I hate the predatory shit that is so commercialized.
- 49:14SPEAKER_00: You know, it used to be if you wanted a gambling, if you had a gambling vice, you had to go seek that vice out.
- 49:18SPEAKER_01: Now it's just 10 years from now, 10 years from now, the problems that are going to be, you know, just yeah, shown throughout society because of this time.
- 49:33SPEAKER_01: Everything has a tail, and it's I'm not gonna get into it.
- 49:36SPEAKER_01: My brain's I'm proud.
- 49:37SPEAKER_00: I mean, I listen, I still like nicotine, I still use zin.
- 49:40SPEAKER_00: Every now and then I'll smoke these lame fucking vape things just because I don't want to.
- 49:44SPEAKER_00: My gums are sore and I hate it, and I'll chew nicker at I just like whatever.
- 49:48SPEAKER_00: I like I just like it.
- 49:50SPEAKER_00: I used to smoke, I used to smoke cigarettes.
- 49:52SPEAKER_00: I used it for years, and I didn't realize it for like two years, you know.
- 49:56SPEAKER_00: It's like until you're until one day you're like, I'm a full-blown smoker.
- 50:00SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's crazy.
- 50:02SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then just one day you're just like full blown smoking cigs with coffee.
- 50:06SPEAKER_00: No offense, Mahoney.
- 50:07SPEAKER_00: Um, and so like it took a while for me to stop that.
- 50:10SPEAKER_00: Even then, I can't, I even then I'm chewing knicker at on a plane home from Nashville just because it's like I had I know I have that edge, and uh can't even compare that to the to the problems I had with sports gambling age 25 to 30 until I got engaged.
- 50:28SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, I literally lost tens of thousands of dollars a year every year for like six years in a row, and it was illegal.
- 50:35SPEAKER_00: Now it's fucking yeah, now it's wealthy you're losing money.
- 50:40SPEAKER_00: No, now they no, now it's like, oh, that's a tax write-off, Mike.
- 50:43SPEAKER_00: Don't worry about it.
- 50:44SPEAKER_00: Just fucking tell your accountant that you lost 18 grand this year on Monday night football.
- 50:48SPEAKER_00: You know, fuck you, fuck all these people in the and all those politicians that are behind it can suck my dick.
- 50:56SPEAKER_00: So ditto.
- 50:57SPEAKER_00: This is a Monday morning cub show that got a little weird at the end there, but you know, we're principled people here.
- 51:02SPEAKER_00: Don't let that get in the way of a good Cub show, my honey.
- 51:04SPEAKER_01: Coming coming off a Sunday, literally, they're just shoving it down your throats every single commercial break.
- 51:09SPEAKER_01: And during the games, come on.
- 51:10SPEAKER_01: Anyway, glad to see it.
- 51:12SPEAKER_01: The Bears won scored 59.
- 51:14SPEAKER_01: Cubs won a series against the Pirates.
- 51:16SPEAKER_01: Now we have Atlanta coming to town.
- 51:19SPEAKER_01: That's really all I got.
- 51:20SPEAKER_01: I'm feeling much better than I did at the start of the show.
- 51:23SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so let's just wrap it here.
- 51:24SPEAKER_00: We're at 52 minutes.
- 51:25SPEAKER_00: I just remind people if you get a chance, subscribe to the show.
- 51:28SPEAKER_00: Mahoney and I enjoy doing it.
- 51:30SPEAKER_00: Um, I'll be back on Friday.
- 51:33SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, maybe I'll have Tim.
- 51:35SPEAKER_00: Maybe we'll have a guest, maybe we'll we'll have something cooking, but it's that time of the year, boys.
- 51:39SPEAKER_00: And keep your eyes peeled.
- 51:40SPEAKER_00: That radio show we're gonna do, I think is gonna be at the is gonna be at the very end of the season.
- 51:45SPEAKER_00: It's gonna kind of be like a regular season rap.
- 51:47SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's happening party.
- 51:48SPEAKER_00: I'm absolutely we're just gonna do it like that's a regular season rap party.
- 51:53SPEAKER_00: Now, here's the thing we might have to do it out in Kane County, aurora area, just where the proof permits are a little loose and easy.
- 51:58SPEAKER_00: I know that would be cool.
- 52:00SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it might be like that.
- 52:02SPEAKER_00: So keep your eyes peeled, but until then, thanks a lot for tuning in.
- 52:04SPEAKER_00: We love you guys.
- 52:05SPEAKER_00: We'll see you next week.
- 52:06SPEAKER_00: Or see you on Friday.
- 52:07SPEAKER_00: See you on Friday.