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Sharri | 5 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening.
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Speaker 4: Tonight, Donald Trump issues a travel ban on twelve countries
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Speaker 4: in wake of the Colorado terror attack. It raises debate
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Speaker 4: about the security vetting of immigrants welcomed into the West.
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Speaker 4: More on that, in a moment, accused mushroom killer Aaron
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Speaker 4: Patterson was grilled about fabricating a cancer diagnosis in court.
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Speaker 3: Today.
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Speaker 4: Sky News reporter Holly Sterns will join us later. A
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Speaker 4: University of Sydney conference uninvites journalist Samantha Maiden from speaking.
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you their shocking excuse. Plus prominent Israeli author
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Speaker 4: an advocate Hen Mazik will be on the show live
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Speaker 4: from London. This after the White House caught out the
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Speaker 4: BBC or can the ABC be next on their list?
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Speaker 4: And the Azempit craze has led to concerns from medical
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Speaker 4: experts that it's turning people into zombies as they lose their.
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Speaker 3: Appetite for life.
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Speaker 4: We'll have that report shortly, But first, President Donald Trump
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Speaker 4: has slapped a travel ban on twelve countries. This was
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Speaker 4: partly sparked by the terror attack in Colorado, allegedly by
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Speaker 4: an illegal immigrant from Egypt. He was shouting and Zionists
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Speaker 4: when he then set multiple elderly Jews a light, including
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Speaker 4: a Holocaust survivor. Donald Trump said today that enough was enough.
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Speaker 2: The recent terror attack in Boulder, Colorado has underscored the
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Speaker 2: extreme dangers posed to our country by the entry of
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Speaker 2: foreign nationals who are not properly vetted, as well as
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Speaker 2: those who come here as temporary visitors and overstay their visas.
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Speaker 2: We don't want them. In the twenty first century, we've
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Speaker 2: seen one terror attack after another carried out by foreign
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Speaker 2: visa overstairs from dangerous places all over the world.
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Speaker 4: Trump's controversial executive order bands travel from Afghanistan, Haiti, Iran, Sudan, Yemen,
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Speaker 4: mayanma Chad, the Republic of Congo, Libya, Somalia, Equatorial Guinea, Eretria,
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Speaker 4: and on. The President went on to explain that his
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Speaker 4: move was about protecting Americans.
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Speaker 2: In my first term, my powerful travel restrictions were one
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Speaker 2: of our most successful policies, and they were a key
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Speaker 2: part of preventing major foreign terror attacks on American soil.
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Speaker 2: We will not let what happened in Europe happen to America.
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Speaker 2: We will not allow people to enter our country who
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Speaker 2: wish to do US harm.
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Speaker 4: And this move is likely to be very popular, not
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Speaker 4: just with Trump supporters, but with Americans now. Quite bizarrely,
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Speaker 4: I asked Trump's head of counter Terrorists, Sebastian Gorka, about
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Speaker 4: this very issue last night. I asked him if the
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Speaker 4: United States needs to be more careful.
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Speaker 3: About who it allows in.
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Speaker 4: Look, the suspect in the Colorado attack was an illegal
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Speaker 4: immigrant from Egypt. Why was he still in the country
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Speaker 4: and do you think the United States needs to be
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Speaker 4: more careful about who it allows in?
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Speaker 1: Leading question, Council, why was he here? Because for the
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Speaker 1: last four years under the Biden Harris administration, we had
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Speaker 1: no national sovereignty. Your viewers may find this hard to believe,
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Speaker 1: but under Kamala Harris the borders are. They basically dismantled
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Speaker 1: our border. That's why we have events like Colorado.
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Speaker 4: Now, We've seen a similar ban before during Trump's first
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Speaker 4: term in office. This is a hardline approach, and Trump
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Speaker 4: will certainly be called racist, But when you have the
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Speaker 4: legal immigrants from certain and countries allegedly committing crimes, including
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Speaker 4: terror attacks, it's understandable that this is the reaction. In
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Speaker 4: the New York Post, Miranda Divine reports that a clear
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Speaker 4: link has been established between illegal immigrants and terror.
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Speaker 3: She writes.
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Speaker 4: When Trump appointed Director of National Intelligence Toulsy Gabbard came
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Speaker 4: into office, she immediately ordered the National Counter Terror Center
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Speaker 4: to cross reference asylum applications from visa overstayers and illegal
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Speaker 4: border crosses with the database of known terrorists, and they
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Speaker 4: identified one thy two hundred illegal aliens with terror ties
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Speaker 4: who were allowed to remain in the US by Joe Biden.
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Speaker 4: So it's probably a wise idea to be cautious at
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Speaker 4: a time when we are seeing terror attacks, when Hermas
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Speaker 4: is being celebrated on campuses, and there's a battle for
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Speaker 4: the values that we once went to war to fight for.
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Speaker 4: Many politicians, including in Australia, seem to forget that their
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Speaker 4: first priority has to be to protect their own citizens,
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Speaker 4: to keep their own citizens safe, not come to the
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Speaker 4: rescue of those in other parts of the world. And
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Speaker 4: this has always been the issue with Albanezi opening the
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Speaker 4: door to Gazans without proper security vetting. Even if those
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Speaker 4: citizens don't support humas they may hold anti Semitic attitudes,
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Speaker 4: it risks turning Australia into an even more unsafe place
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Speaker 4: to live. Police claim the alleged perpetrator in the Colorado attack,
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Speaker 4: Mohammed Solomon said he wanted to kill all Zonus people
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Speaker 4: and wish they were all dead.
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Speaker 3: He yelled free Palestine.
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Speaker 4: Now, this free Palestine movement is being used to normalize
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Speaker 4: and justify violence and anti Semitism. It's better to seriously
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Speaker 4: crack down on.
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Speaker 3: It than allow it to flourish.
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Speaker 4: Now, as you heard, Trump cites Europe, and Europe in
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Speaker 4: some parts has become unrecognizable. You can't argue with that.
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Speaker 4: Some cities are no longer safe for everyone. And this
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Speaker 4: isn't just about nationality, and it's mainly in fact about values.
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Speaker 4: It's ensuring we all share the same values. The left
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Speaker 4: globally seem to have moved to a position of completely
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Speaker 4: open borders, where immigrants who hate everything we in the
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Speaker 4: West stand for are welcomed with open arms, only to
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Speaker 4: then join mass protests against.
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Speaker 3: Their new country and its values.
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Speaker 4: And the truth is, if these sympathizers hate America and
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Speaker 4: the West so much, then why do they want to
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Speaker 4: live here in the first place. Now, I don't agree
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Speaker 4: with Trump's blanket ban of entire nations, but I.
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Speaker 3: Have no doubt we need to be far.
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Speaker 4: More rigorous in our security vetting of individuals who want
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Speaker 4: to come here, especially those from countries which we know
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Speaker 4: are hotbeds of terrorism. You'd prefer to have a stricter
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Speaker 4: immigration policy then deal with terror attacks here in Australia.
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Speaker 4: All right, A busy show tonight, but now let's bring
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Speaker 4: in tonight's panel. National Senator Matt Canavan and former State
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Speaker 4: Labor Secretary Cameron Miln are great to see you both, Matt.
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Speaker 4: Donald Trump says that countries like Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia, Libya
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Speaker 4: and Yemen have all been deemed high risk for terrorism
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Speaker 4: and also for visa abuse.
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Speaker 3: What do you think of his move today?
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Speaker 1: Well, for America, it's.
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Speaker 5: Not privy to the kind of intelligence that Donald Trump
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Speaker 5: would be, so it's hard to double guests the decisions.
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Speaker 5: But I fully support every country making their own decisions
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Speaker 5: on who comes to their own nation and under what circumstances.
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Speaker 5: We've enforced that rule over the years, and I think
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Speaker 5: we're very lucky that we've been able to maintain strong
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Speaker 5: borders thanks to the action that former liberal and national
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Speaker 5: governments took, especially Tony Abbotts and John Howard. Thankfully, in
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Speaker 5: this country now that is the bipartisan position. Labor went
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Speaker 5: a bit soft after Kevin Rudd got elected, but this
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Speaker 5: time they haven't quite made the same mistakes, so long
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Speaker 5: may that continue. That's not the case in the United States.
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Speaker 5: I mean, they've had this unbelievably open border in the
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Speaker 5: past few years. It clearly played a big role in
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Speaker 5: the election of Donald Trump. And as I say, it's
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Speaker 5: completely a matter for America how they decide to.
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Speaker 6: Rule over their own borders.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I think that distinction you make is right that under
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Speaker 4: Biden it was just an open border situation. Cameron, though,
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Speaker 4: what do you think about this battle for values and
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Speaker 4: just how we perhaps do need to be more careful
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Speaker 4: to make sure and not just values, by the way,
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Speaker 4: but the laws that people who come to our country
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Speaker 4: or any country in the West will abide by our laws.
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Speaker 7: That's right, and I think we have to have the
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Speaker 7: security checks. I think you're right, Shari. At the top
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Speaker 7: of the show, you mentioned the three thousand gardens who
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Speaker 7: are lead in with lack of security measures that we
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Speaker 7: all were concerned about. They might not be terrorists, but
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Speaker 7: they could be potential terrorists, and that's what we need
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Speaker 7: to know. With the security checks. So I think you're right.
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Speaker 7: They need to share our values, they need to abide
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Speaker 7: by our laws, they need to love our country. And
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Speaker 7: I think if we have people from war torn areas,
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Speaker 7: we need to recognize that there are Syrians who have
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Speaker 7: been persecuted by Islamic streamers that we welcome to our country.
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Speaker 7: We welcome Christians as well to being persecuted by Islamic
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Speaker 7: authorities as well. So it can't be country by country.
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Speaker 7: We need to make sure the security checks are done
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Speaker 7: and the people who are coming to our country share
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Speaker 7: our values.
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
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Speaker 4: And you know, I remember, maybe six months ago now
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Speaker 4: I reported one of the instance of one of those
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Speaker 4: guardsans allowed in and how on social media he had
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Speaker 4: shared posts supporting the paragliders sailing into Israel on October
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Speaker 4: seventy shared hermas content. So, you know, gain perhaps that
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Speaker 4: security vetting hasn't been up to scratch. And by the way,
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Speaker 4: while we're on Trump, he's also today ordered an investigation
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Speaker 4: into the cover up of Joe Biden's cognitive decline during
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Speaker 4: his presidency. There was a presidential memorand hum that said,
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Speaker 4: this conspiracy mark's one of the most dangerous and concerning
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Speaker 4: scandals in American history, and Martin, I mean, you'd have
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Speaker 4: to say this is pretty objective now that there was
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Speaker 4: a deliberate cover up over this.
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Speaker 5: Well, I suppose it's another example Shari of Thankfully Australia
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Speaker 5: has not gone down this judicial mixing of the judicial
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Speaker 5: and the political paths like there has been in America. Obviously,
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Speaker 5: we saw the Biden administration justice officials investigate the former
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Speaker 5: president Trump, and now we're going to see seemilarly the reverse.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't like it overall as a trend.
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Speaker 5: As I say, I hope that stays out of our system.
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Speaker 5: There should be separation between the two fields of contest.
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Speaker 5: But there's no doubt here there is a scandal. I'm
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Speaker 5: just not sure it's best pursued by the executive government.
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Speaker 5: But clearly the media and others conspire to cover up
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Speaker 5: the decline in Joe Biden's mental state. That probably ultimately
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Speaker 5: cost the Democratic Party more than anyone else because they
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Speaker 5: struggle to put forward a credible candidate there in the
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Speaker 5: end for presidency partly because of that cover up. So look,
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Speaker 5: as I say, hope, I hope the courts stay out
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Speaker 5: of the political process again, it's a matter for America
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Speaker 5: how they run their system. But I quite like the
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Speaker 5: political system we have, and it's one trend in America
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Speaker 5: I hope we don't adopt.
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Speaker 4: Now I'd have to agree with you, but I do
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Speaker 4: think there does need to be accountability when it comes
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Speaker 4: to this issue. I mean, normally medical issues would remain private,
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Speaker 4: but when you're the president of the United States, when
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Speaker 4: you have that level of control and authority, well there
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Speaker 4: should be public disclosure.
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Speaker 3: What do you think, Cameron, Well.
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Speaker 7: And I was going to say, I agree with Matt.
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Speaker 7: I mean, I think we don't want to see the
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Speaker 7: judiciary weaponized for political outcomes.
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Speaker 6: And I think that's a great thing about our.
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Speaker 7: System versus what I observe about the US, especially in
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Speaker 7: recent times. But look, I think that the saddest thing
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Speaker 7: here is that Joe Biden was actually a servant servant
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Speaker 7: of the United States. He did great things, and we
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Speaker 7: only now remembered for the last year or two where
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Speaker 7: he was seriously suffering from cognitive diminished cognitive abilities clearly,
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Speaker 7: and they are physical as well, And the fact that
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Speaker 7: the staff looked like they cover that up for political gain.
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Speaker 7: And then I think, as you rightly said that probably
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Speaker 7: damaged the Democrats' chances of actually having a decent president.
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Speaker 7: You can come through. That's the scandal, that's what needs
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Speaker 7: to be investigated. It might not be conspiracy, but it's
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Speaker 7: an awful cover up of someone's medical condition that led
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Speaker 7: to the political outcome we've now seen.
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Speaker 4: But also if there were medical authorities, if there were
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Speaker 4: doctors who agreed to keep this silent but knew about it,
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Speaker 4: perhaps there's an argument that they had a public duty
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Speaker 4: to tell.
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Speaker 3: Someone about it.
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Speaker 4: So there are I think ethical questions dilemmas here. It's
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Speaker 4: not so clear cut, although I do agree with you.
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Speaker 7: We've all watch Twist Swing though, haven't we.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, we have watched westeringram Shure. It's all of our
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Speaker 4: favorite old television shows. Gue Now federal labor is being urged,
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Speaker 4: as in the Albanezy government is being urged to scrap
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Speaker 4: at least the size of its cigarette tax. Experts are
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Speaker 4: our concern that it's fueling this violent black market. We
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Speaker 4: even saw the premiere in New South Wales Chris Mins
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Speaker 4: come out this week. He spoke pretty strongly about the issue.
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Speaker 4: But then we heard Treasurer Jim Chalmers say that he's
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Speaker 4: definitely not making cigarettes cheaper.
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Speaker 8: Have a look, I respectfully disagree with Chris. He's a
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Speaker 8: friend of mine, I work closely with Premiere Mins. I
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Speaker 8: don't think the answer here is to make cigarettes cheaper
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Speaker 8: for people. I think the answer here is to get
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Speaker 8: better at compliance.
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Speaker 4: Matt, this is becoming a major issue, the black market,
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Speaker 4: the illegal importation, the crime.
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Speaker 3: What do you think is the solution.
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Speaker 5: Well, look, I think Chris Mins is espousing common sense here.
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Speaker 5: I'll be fair. This is a problem created by the
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Speaker 5: Albanesi government to this high excise on the high exie
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Speaker 5: on tobacco was there before Anthony Albanezi came in, but
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Speaker 5: the problem has been problem has gotten worse in the
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Speaker 5: last few years, and it is the responsibility of any
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Speaker 5: government to respond to things that aren't working well and
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Speaker 5: try and fix them. The facts are that we've had
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Speaker 5: almost a harving of tobacco xcise revenue in the last
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Speaker 5: few years. We certainly haven't had a harving of smoking rates.
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Speaker 5: So what's happening happening is otherwise legal, law abiding Australian
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Speaker 5: citizens effectively going into a black market because they just
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Speaker 5: can't afford to buy cigarets.
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Speaker 6: They are over fifty.
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Speaker 5: Dollars a pack now and no one can really afford that.
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Speaker 5: So cigarette smoke is invariably going to the illegal market
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Speaker 5: that is then funding organized crime is country, and I
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Speaker 5: am convinced that a big part of the outbreak of
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Speaker 5: crime we have seen in Australia in the last few years,
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Speaker 5: beyond just the legal tobacco market, is because of the
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Speaker 5: funds that have flown in like rivers of gold to
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Speaker 5: organize crime thanks to this black market. So clearly, when
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Speaker 5: we've got something like this, we should change the policy
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Speaker 5: settings at least look at it. Don't be stubborn and
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Speaker 5: pig headed. Look at this. Maybe a reduction of the
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Speaker 5: xoz rate would be best. It actually might raise more
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Speaker 5: revenue and kill off these criminal syndicates that are being
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Speaker 5: funded by it.
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Speaker 4: There was one example, Aaron Patrick in The Nightly wrote
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Speaker 4: about this and he said that on Tuesday was police
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Speaker 4: Botiface and the AFP intercepted an importation and among the
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Speaker 4: stash were twenty million cigarettes.
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Speaker 3: Twenty million cigarettes. I mean, Cameron, you to.
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Speaker 4: Remember a time when there was illegal drugs, not cigarettes,
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Speaker 4: being reported, so that unquestionably there's an issue here.
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Speaker 3: The answer is not so simple.
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Speaker 7: It isn't and it's complex, but I think we do
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Speaker 7: need to spend more and more on prevention, more on policing,
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Speaker 7: and more on preventative healthcare as well. But you're right.
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Speaker 7: I mean the danger is the tax is so large
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Speaker 7: now it creates a natural in ceding for organized crime
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Speaker 7: to chase that revenue stream. And I think that's the problem,
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Speaker 7: and I think we need to have an open discussion.
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Speaker 7: And I think Premier Men's is right. He's seeing it
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Speaker 7: on the streets in his own city, the crime wave
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Speaker 7: driven by illegal and chop chopped tobacco and people using
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Speaker 7: the tax revenue as an incentive to produce this black market.
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Speaker 4: And casting tens of millions of dollars in policing and compliance.
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Speaker 4: I want to go to this fascinating story.
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Speaker 3: There's a major issue.
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Speaker 4: I mean, flight paths are always controversial, but there's now
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Speaker 4: a major issue of flight parts at night to the
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Speaker 4: new Western Sydney Airport and there are accusations of pork barreling.
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Speaker 4: This is a story on sky News Digital Today and
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Speaker 4: sky News revealed that the Albanezy government's directive to prioritize
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Speaker 4: noise abatement in labor electriate surrounding Western Sydney International Airport
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Speaker 4: has triggered warnings from aviation experts, and one expert, Captain
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Speaker 4: Byron Bailey, called the new runway the whole plan.
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Speaker 3: Fascicle.
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Speaker 9: Have a look, it's very unrealistic. It's going to be
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Speaker 9: very mess missy for you traffic control when you were
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Speaker 9: the reciprocal runway operation is what gets me. I mean
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Speaker 9: you have a wind blowing from say the Southwest roadway
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Speaker 9: two three in use be days sign in.
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Speaker 4: I mean, Matt, if this is true, and I mean,
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Speaker 4: can it really be true? Surely the Albanezy government wouldn't
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Speaker 4: do something so ridiculous as to design the flight bards
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Speaker 4: to avoid labor electorates.
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Speaker 5: Look, I definitely think there's something that needs to be
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Speaker 5: looked into here, Shari. I did share an inquiry last
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Speaker 5: year into flight paths right across Australia. We did hold
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Speaker 5: hearings out Western Sydney. There are a lot of residents
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Speaker 5: they're concerned about the design of these flight pars. I
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Speaker 5: respectfully disagree with Captain Bailey. I think his name was there. Yes, Look,
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Speaker 5: reciprocal runway operations do occur all around Australia. They are
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Speaker 5: a common feature in the Brisbane Airport at night. The
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Speaker 5: key is that they're only used in low traffic periods
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Speaker 5: and they are of course only used when the winds
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Speaker 5: of conditions allow for them to safely be done. My
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Speaker 5: understanding what the government has said here is if they
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Speaker 5: will impose those same conditions on Western Sydney's exists in
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Speaker 5: Brisbane and other airports. The issue though, is that when
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Speaker 5: the flight parts were redesigned late last year, they seemingly,
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Speaker 5: just quite surprisingly, seemed to center all over Lindsay, the
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Speaker 5: elector of Lindsay, which was held by the Liberal National Party,
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Speaker 5: a liberal party in New South Wales, and avoided a
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Speaker 5: lot of the Labor electorates. So I think some serious
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Speaker 5: questions have to be asked about the design of these
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Speaker 5: flight paths because they shouldn't be corrupted by the political process.
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Speaker 5: They need to be done obviously for safety first, but
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Speaker 5: also for efficiency and allowing as many residents as possible
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Speaker 5: to sleep at night. People should not be interrupted unnecessarily
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Speaker 5: from their own quite enjoyment of their homes. Notwithstanding, of course,
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Speaker 5: we need things like airports to operate.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister has for a long time, I mean
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Speaker 4: dating back over a decade been very involved in this
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Speaker 4: project and setting up a second international airport in Sydney,
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Speaker 4: and actually it put him at loggerheads with Ed Husick,
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Speaker 4: a local MP who was.
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Speaker 3: Actually against the airport.
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Speaker 4: I mean, Cameron, is this perhaps of the reason they
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Speaker 4: don't personally get along well?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think there's a lot of reasons with a
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Speaker 7: Husk and the Prime Minister up, not just the airport,
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Speaker 7: but I think when I looked at the maps, Shari,
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's only flights between eleven PM and five
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Speaker 7: thirty am, and really what they're doing is they're putting
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Speaker 7: all the flight paths in those evening hours across rural
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Speaker 7: and larger areas rather than over urban residential areas. I mean,
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Speaker 7: that's something where the divides. It's in Western City with
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Speaker 7: the maps I looked at all.
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Speaker 4: Right, Matt, before we go, I just want to actually
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Speaker 4: ask you a question without notice about the supertax, the
20:39
Speaker 4: coalition's position on the supertas.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: I know you're against it. We've been covering it on
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Speaker 4: this show for weeks and weeks now, but I understand
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Speaker 4: that the formal position went to Shadow Cabinet but didn't
20:51
Speaker 4: go to the Joint Coalition party route. Now, that's usually
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Speaker 4: how a policy position is arrived.
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Speaker 3: At, isn't it.
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Speaker 4: It goes to the joint Coalition party room before it's
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Speaker 4: officially announced. Are you worried that this process wasn't followed,
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Speaker 4: because I mean, you might be fine with it in
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Speaker 4: this position, but what if it's net zero?
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Speaker 3: What it's other laws that you would like to have
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Speaker 3: a say in.
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Speaker 5: Look, it's probably a rule that's broken. More that observed,
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Speaker 5: Sharius is not the first time the joint party room
21:23
Speaker 5: hasn't been consulted on a matter, and it's typically sometimes
21:27
Speaker 5: a bit difficult outside of a parliamentary sitting period to
21:30
Speaker 5: arrange that.
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Speaker 6: We have had virtual.
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Speaker 5: Joint party rooms before, but usually on very significant things. Look,
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Speaker 5: I think this is something that probably the leader could
21:41
Speaker 5: judge the mood of the room, so to speak. And
21:44
Speaker 5: as you say, there's an outcome here that I certainly
21:46
Speaker 5: support and I think the vast majority of my colleague support.
21:49
Speaker 5: So a formal meeting of all of us probably wasn't
21:52
Speaker 5: necessary in this instance. Just on your point, though, we
21:55
Speaker 5: have never had a joint party room discussion on net zero.
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Speaker 3: Never would you like to see amazing like never?
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Speaker 10: Like I definitely I definitely would like to say when
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Speaker 10: Sharon Scott Morrison just signed us up to it, to
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Speaker 10: sign a liberal party up to the Nationals Party did
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Speaker 10: have a discussion, but effectively had a discussion with a
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Speaker 10: gun hell to her head because Liberally said they're doing
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Speaker 10: this and that's that without even having giving their own
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Speaker 10: members assay.
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Speaker 5: So look, that would be nice.
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Speaker 3: Nice.
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Speaker 4: Maybe you can shake up the process and put it
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Speaker 4: on the agenda yourself.
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Speaker 5: I've been trying that for three years, Sharon, see where
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Speaker 5: I go this time?
22:26
Speaker 4: All right, Camra, Miona, Matt Canavan. Great to see you
22:29
Speaker 4: both now. Elon Musk has doubled down on his searing
22:33
Speaker 4: criticism of Trump's so called Big Beautiful Bill across multiple
22:38
Speaker 4: posts on social media today. The bill is a cornerstone
22:42
Speaker 4: of Trump's economic policy and would give Americans a tax cut,
22:45
Speaker 4: but critics say it will also increase America's borrowing at
22:49
Speaker 4: a time it's drowning in debt. Today, Elon Musk poster
22:53
Speaker 4: that the bill should really be called the debt slavery Bill,
22:58
Speaker 4: and he shared the.
22:59
Speaker 3: Poster for the mob kill Bill.
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Speaker 4: And it's quite fascinating to watch this old play out
23:05
Speaker 4: because it seems like only yesterday that Trump and Elon
23:08
Speaker 4: Musk were having fun together in the Oval Office in
23:12
Speaker 4: one of the more surprising friendships in recent political history.
23:16
Speaker 4: And now it seems the unbreakable political alliance.
23:20
Speaker 3: As well, and truly over.
23:26
Speaker 4: Now more than seventy nine thousand Australians are reportedly using
23:30
Speaker 4: a zempic or a similar weight loss drug. These are
23:33
Speaker 4: drugs that traditionally we're used to treat diabetics. They're now
23:37
Speaker 4: being seen as wonder weight loss drugs and there are
23:40
Speaker 4: projections that two point four million people will be on
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Speaker 4: a zempic or a similar medication by twenty thirty. That'd
23:48
Speaker 4: be nine percent of our population here in Australia. It's
23:52
Speaker 4: transformed people into wafer thin versions of themselves.
23:56
Speaker 3: Now.
23:57
Speaker 4: One of a zenpik's side effects, or one of its effects,
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Speaker 4: is that it slows down food moving through the stomach,
24:03
Speaker 4: thereby limiting appetite, so if someone doesn't feel hungry, they
24:07
Speaker 4: won't eat.
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Speaker 3: But there's now.
24:10
Speaker 4: Something that's being dubbed a zepic personality, which the Time
24:14
Speaker 4: says is the change in outlook that turns a former
24:17
Speaker 4: bon vivert into a pleasure avoidant zombie. The weekend Australian
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Speaker 4: magazine on Saturday examined how along with curbing appetite, it's
24:27
Speaker 4: suppressing cravings for things like alcohol and it could even
24:31
Speaker 4: impact on desire. The article said scientists are raising new
24:36
Speaker 4: and baffling questions about how obesity drugs could be altering
24:40
Speaker 4: the reward circuitry in the brain. A psychiatrist, doctor Sally Keldeman,
24:46
Speaker 4: explains one theory, and it's a theory that the medication
24:50
Speaker 4: can deactivate neutrons crucial for processing reward and motivation. She
24:56
Speaker 4: says the brain only has one reward system. There's no
24:59
Speaker 4: special ward system for food and then another system.
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Speaker 3: For sex or drugs, So if.
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Speaker 4: GLP ones are dialing down food cravings, it's not surprising
25:10
Speaker 4: they're dampening all kinds of desires. She says, we need
25:15
Speaker 4: more solid evidence from trials, but my concern is that
25:18
Speaker 4: we'll need to start watching patients for signs of a heedonia,
25:23
Speaker 4: a lack of interest and enjoyment in life. Journalist Roz
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Speaker 4: Thomas wrote this investigative article. It was the cover story
25:31
Speaker 4: of the Weekend Australian magazine and she joins me, now, Roz,
25:34
Speaker 4: thanks for your time. So you did an investigation into
25:38
Speaker 4: these drugs, these medications, how can it affect personality and
25:44
Speaker 4: what is the evidence around whether it can turn people
25:48
Speaker 4: into so called zambig zombies.
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Speaker 11: Well, it was very interesting because when the drugs were
25:54
Speaker 11: first developed, it was always thought that they acted only
25:58
Speaker 11: on the gut, that they would slow down the passage
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Speaker 11: of foods through the stomach, that they would start making
26:03
Speaker 11: you feel fuller for longer and therefore you'd eat less.
26:06
Speaker 3: Then the latest research.
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Speaker 11: Has come out which has been very surprising and that
26:11
Speaker 11: has shown really that the original science has collapsed, fallen apart,
26:15
Speaker 11: because now we understand that semaglatide the active ingredient in
26:19
Speaker 11: a z MP and Munjaro sexender and trulyicity the drugs
26:22
Speaker 11: that are available in Australia at the moment, that it
26:26
Speaker 11: works on the brain access. So those samaglatides can go
26:32
Speaker 11: deep into the brain, into the pleasure center of the brain,
26:34
Speaker 11: which is called the nuclear sircumbens and there it pulls
26:38
Speaker 11: off a neat trick where it turns it acts as
26:40
Speaker 11: a neurotransmitter and it manages to tell the neurons in
26:43
Speaker 11: the nucleus the cumbents to turn off the reward circuitry
26:47
Speaker 11: for desire, and as you said in your graphic, you
26:50
Speaker 11: know we don't have different we don't have different systems
26:53
Speaker 11: for desire, one for sex, one for drugs, one for food.
26:56
Speaker 11: And so what we've discovered is that these smagide is
27:00
Speaker 11: now able to turn off desires for all kinds of things,
27:04
Speaker 11: from alcohol to nicotine to sex, even nail biding, shoplifting,
27:09
Speaker 11: online shopping addictions. Even the latest research that I read
27:14
Speaker 11: only two days ago that it turns off the desire
27:16
Speaker 11: for exercise, so it makes exercise less rewarding. And what
27:20
Speaker 11: you get then is that we are the product of
27:23
Speaker 11: our desires. So you take away your love of baking, cooking, exercising,
27:27
Speaker 11: and you do change your personality. And so what we're
27:30
Speaker 11: finding is that we're having a lot of people who
27:33
Speaker 11: are losing weight very very quickly, but they're losing a
27:35
Speaker 11: lot of the enjoyment in life because they're suffering from
27:39
Speaker 11: what psychiatrists call it anhedonia, which is a loss of pleasure.
27:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so fascinating, And of course you're looking at
27:46
Speaker 4: this from a scientific or medical perspective, and again should
27:50
Speaker 4: point out that none of this is conclusive. It's research
27:53
Speaker 4: that's emerging but you also interviewed people about this, and
27:57
Speaker 4: you wrote in the article. I mean you just mentioned
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Speaker 4: baking that you wrote in the article about a lifelong
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Speaker 4: baker who no longer finds pleasure in making her beloved
28:05
Speaker 4: armond crossans and cinnamon scrolls, but then she did lose
28:09
Speaker 4: seventeen kilograms. And you also wrote from memory about a
28:13
Speaker 4: married woman who now.
28:15
Speaker 3: Doesn't want to go to the footy with her husband anymore.
28:17
Speaker 4: So, just from a people perspective, what did you hear
28:21
Speaker 4: from those you interviewed about how it is changing how
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Speaker 4: they live?
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Speaker 11: Well, this is the first time that we'd managed to
28:29
Speaker 11: get suburban users to identify themselves as enpiic users. Usually
28:33
Speaker 11: we're only hearing about side effects of a zen pic
28:36
Speaker 11: and Munjaro from celebrity. So this is the first time
28:39
Speaker 11: we'd managed to get you know, mum and dad users
28:43
Speaker 11: to explain to us how they were feeling. And a
28:46
Speaker 11: number of them told us that they started to feel
28:49
Speaker 11: weird and that weirdness was I think the effects of
28:52
Speaker 11: those design mechanisms being turned off in the brain. So,
28:56
Speaker 11: for example, we had one woman who had lost enormous
29:00
Speaker 11: amount of weight on a zenpic who was also diabetic
29:02
Speaker 11: lost forty kilos. But what she discovered was that she
29:06
Speaker 11: had become physically repulsed by alcohol in particular and junk food.
29:11
Speaker 11: And she and her husband had spent twenty years together entertaining, socializing,
29:16
Speaker 11: going to the footy and having a wow of a time,
29:18
Speaker 11: and all of a sudden, she couldn't look at a
29:20
Speaker 11: glass of wine or a beer, and she couldn't look
29:22
Speaker 11: at junk food, and it made her physically repulsed. And
29:26
Speaker 11: so she discovered that she had to renegotiate all of
29:30
Speaker 11: the boundaries in her relationship, and their relationship had changed.
29:34
Speaker 11: And what some doctors were reporting to me was that
29:38
Speaker 11: there is such a thing as a zepic divorce, and
29:41
Speaker 11: that is when one party in the relationship loses an
29:43
Speaker 11: enormous amount of weight. And if they do suffer some
29:46
Speaker 11: of these Annadonius side effects, a loss of desire and
29:49
Speaker 11: pleasures in you know, things that they used to love, exercise, alcohol,
29:53
Speaker 11: going out socializing, then you're going to have a real,
29:57
Speaker 11: you know, quite a chasm occurring in marriages. And so
30:00
Speaker 11: there was a particular case in which a gentleman in
30:04
Speaker 11: a marriage with a wife had lost thirty kilos and
30:08
Speaker 11: announced to his doctor that he had decided that he
30:10
Speaker 11: was gay and that he was leaving his wife because
30:13
Speaker 11: the loss of the weight and the change in his
30:15
Speaker 11: personality had suggested to him that he should leave the marriage.
30:18
Speaker 11: I mean, these are the side effects that we can't
30:21
Speaker 11: yet link conclusively, but they're coming through in animal studies
30:25
Speaker 11: and we need more human control clinical trials to be
30:28
Speaker 11: able to say for sure. But I have to say
30:31
Speaker 11: a little bit worrying.
30:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
30:32
Speaker 4: Well, it's absolutely fascinating cover story that you wrote in
30:35
Speaker 4: the week in Australian magazine. Really great to have you
30:38
Speaker 4: on the show, Roz. Fascinating topic and pointing out again
30:42
Speaker 4: research still emerging.
30:44
Speaker 3: And of course if anyone at home has.
30:45
Speaker 4: Questions about his MBIG, we're not doctor, so see your
30:49
Speaker 4: GP for proper medical advice.
30:51
Speaker 3: Roz. Really appreciate your time. Now still to come.
30:54
Speaker 4: Internationally renowned writer Hen mazik Or droin me to discuss
30:58
Speaker 4: media bias after the White House caught out the BBC's nonsense.
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Speaker 3: Plus James Patterson.
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Speaker 4: Will give his reaction after the University of Sydney uninvited
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Speaker 4: journalist Sam Maiden from a speaking event. I'll tell you
31:13
Speaker 4: their shocking excuse after this quick break.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
31:20
Speaker 4: Well, the Prime Minister is under pressure from the United
31:22
Speaker 4: States to lift defense spending to three and a half
31:25
Speaker 4: percent of GDP, with both Pete Hegseth and Sebastian Gorka
31:30
Speaker 4: urging him to do more to protect Australians. So far,
31:34
Speaker 4: Albanezi has rejected these cause or to discuss this and more.
31:38
Speaker 4: Joining me now is Shadow Finance Minister James Patterson. Great
31:41
Speaker 4: to see you in new introduction, their first time I've
31:44
Speaker 4: had you on the show in your new portfolio. So
31:48
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister set to meet with President Trump of
31:50
Speaker 4: the G seven summit later this month, is this going
31:53
Speaker 4: to be adequate for him to just fob off the
31:55
Speaker 4: president saying that the defense spending at just under two
31:59
Speaker 4: percent as it is now is enough.
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Speaker 12: Well, Sharry, any respected national security expert will tell you
32:07
Speaker 12: Australia is not spending enough to defend ourselves in the
32:10
Speaker 12: era that we live in. But what I thought was
32:12
Speaker 12: most remarkable about the Prime Minister's refusal to even entertain
32:16
Speaker 12: this idea of increasing defense spending is he said that
32:18
Speaker 12: it's a matter of sovereignty. We're going to underinvest in
32:21
Speaker 12: our national security and defense because we want to uphold
32:25
Speaker 12: our sovereignty. I mean, that's an extraordinary thing to say.
32:28
Speaker 12: It's like refusing to eat your vegetables because your parents
32:32
Speaker 12: told you to. You know that it's good for you,
32:34
Speaker 12: you know you should do it, But because your parents
32:36
Speaker 12: told you to do it, you're going to refuse to
32:38
Speaker 12: do it. The promise is coming across as really childish here,
32:41
Speaker 12: and in an uncertain strategic environment, we need grown up
32:43
Speaker 12: leadership and he needs to step up to the plate
32:45
Speaker 12: and deliver the defense spending that we all know we need.
32:48
Speaker 3: What level do you think it should be.
32:52
Speaker 12: Well, we took a commitment to the last election to
32:54
Speaker 12: get to two point five percent of GDP within five
32:56
Speaker 12: years and to get to three percent of GDP within
32:59
Speaker 12: ten years. I'm very proud of that commitment that we took,
33:02
Speaker 12: which required a lot of heavy lifting and a lot
33:04
Speaker 12: of hard work, but it took seriously the advice of
33:07
Speaker 12: people like Kim Beasley, Srangus Houston, Mike Bizulo the Australian
33:10
Speaker 12: Strategic Policy Institute, and many of our other most eminent
33:14
Speaker 12: defense experts who tell us that because of China's rapid
33:18
Speaker 12: acquisition of military capability, we are living in an extremely
33:22
Speaker 12: precarious time that could turn south very quickly, and that
33:25
Speaker 12: right now we don't have the military capability to prevent
33:28
Speaker 12: that conflict from happening through to Terrence, let alone respond
33:30
Speaker 12: to it should it happen. So really, the promise to
33:33
Speaker 12: must move more quickly. He must address this and we
33:36
Speaker 12: would provide bipartisan support.
33:37
Speaker 6: For him to do so.
33:39
Speaker 3: Yeah. Good point.
33:40
Speaker 4: The Coalition was in a mess this week over its
33:43
Speaker 4: position on the super tax. The Shadow treasure of Tet
33:46
Speaker 4: O'Brien came out on Monday in favor of doing a
33:50
Speaker 4: deal with Labor. He was even on my program. He
33:53
Speaker 4: then changed his position today, James.
33:56
Speaker 3: Are you now worried?
33:58
Speaker 4: And you know we all agree that the Coalition shouldn't
34:02
Speaker 4: be supporting higher taxes, but you now worried that the
34:05
Speaker 4: final legislation will be worse because Labour's going to arrive
34:09
Speaker 4: at their position through a negotiation with the Greens.
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Speaker 12: I'm very comfortable where we landed on this issue sharing
34:18
Speaker 12: because it goes to a core liberal principle. As you say,
34:21
Speaker 12: the Liberal Party is the party of lower taxes and
34:24
Speaker 12: we should never make Labour's task of raising taxes any easier,
34:27
Speaker 12: nor should we provide them with a fig leaf of
34:29
Speaker 12: economic responsibility by engaging in negotiations with them to raise taxes.
34:34
Speaker 12: The truth is that we can't stop Labor doing this
34:36
Speaker 12: because with their coalition partners in the Greens, they do
34:40
Speaker 12: have a majority in the Senate, But that won't stop
34:42
Speaker 12: us fighting it, and we're going to fight it as
34:43
Speaker 12: hard as we can, and we can only hope that
34:46
Speaker 12: sense prevails within the Labor Party and they realize the
34:48
Speaker 12: harm that they get to do to our economy. Right now,
34:51
Speaker 12: when business investment is at record lows, the last thing
34:54
Speaker 12: our economy needs is a tax on investment, and that's
34:57
Speaker 12: effectively what Jim Chalmers is doing with this tax.
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Speaker 4: He seems pretty adamant that he is going to stick
35:03
Speaker 4: with it. He's given press conferences and media interviews in
35:05
Speaker 4: the past couple of days where he has defended it,
35:09
Speaker 4: saying in effect that he needs high at tax revenue
35:12
Speaker 4: to deal with all the spending. And another idea, of course,
35:15
Speaker 4: would be to cut spending, but of course the Albanesi
35:17
Speaker 4: government's not going to do that. I want to turn
35:20
Speaker 4: to this story that's just broken this Evening News dot
35:23
Speaker 4: com dot a US political editor Samoud the Maiden has
35:26
Speaker 4: been disinvited by a Sydney University student run newspaper ani
35:31
Speaker 4: Swar to speak at a student conference.
35:34
Speaker 3: Now Ani Swar.
35:35
Speaker 4: Wrote to her after initially inviting her begging her to come.
35:39
Speaker 3: They then wrote to her and said.
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Speaker 4: We've received community concerns about your political coverage and reporting
35:46
Speaker 4: on the Palestinian genocide. As a left wing newspaper, ani
35:50
Speaker 4: Swar recognizes that Israel is committing an ongoing genocide in Palestine,
35:55
Speaker 4: and we do not feel that our values align or
35:57
Speaker 4: that we can platform your work as assault. Now, James
36:01
Speaker 4: salm Maiden, as far as I'm aware, and I read
36:04
Speaker 4: most of her stories, she hasn't written anything about this
36:07
Speaker 4: issue at all, But that's beside the point. I mean,
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Speaker 4: this is serious discrimination, isn't it, Because if they won't
36:14
Speaker 4: have Sam Maiden speak, they'd never have a Jew speak.
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Speaker 12: Shorey, You're right, it's absolutely bizarre that she's been deplatformed
36:22
Speaker 12: for something that she herself has no memory of having
36:25
Speaker 12: written about. But as you say, it doesn't matter even
36:28
Speaker 12: if she'd been a prolific writer on Israel Palestine issues,
36:30
Speaker 12: and even if she'd taken a stance that the paper
36:33
Speaker 12: disagreed with One of the tests of journalism is being
36:36
Speaker 12: able to engage with ideas that you disagree with. And
36:39
Speaker 12: one of the things you would hope would be happening
36:41
Speaker 12: on university campuses of all places, is engagement with ideas
36:44
Speaker 12: that you disagree with, some that you might even find
36:46
Speaker 12: offensive or troubling, or that you disagree with profoundly. But
36:49
Speaker 12: of course we know that in the modern school of
36:52
Speaker 12: journalism and on modern university campuses, that is increasingly rare.
36:56
Speaker 12: And what I want to do is actually pay a
36:57
Speaker 12: tribute to David Maha here, who has himself decided to
37:01
Speaker 12: withdraw from the conference because of their decision to deplatform
37:04
Speaker 12: Sam made. Now, David maher is a man of the left,
37:07
Speaker 12: but he's from a generation of people on the left
37:10
Speaker 12: when they did support Freedma's speech, and who understands how
37:12
Speaker 12: critical and important that is to journalism. And so I
37:15
Speaker 12: think he's demonstrated himself to be a person of principle.
37:17
Speaker 12: It deserves to be praised here. But really, these editors
37:21
Speaker 12: of the student newspapers should look themselves in the mirror
37:23
Speaker 12: and ask themselves are they really fit to engage in
37:26
Speaker 12: the world of ideas? Are they really fit to graduate
37:28
Speaker 12: from university to write big stories, to engage in the
37:31
Speaker 12: battle of ideas if they are so threatened by someone
37:33
Speaker 12: speaking at their conference who may theoretically possibly have a
37:36
Speaker 12: different few of them on an issue.
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Speaker 4: I want to echo your congratulations to David Martha out
37:43
Speaker 4: of principle pulling out of the event. Now, I'm not
37:45
Speaker 4: going to name them, but I do understand there are
37:47
Speaker 4: other high profile journalists who are still speaking, and I
37:50
Speaker 4: hope they withdraw as well, because this is truly discriminatory, right,
37:55
Speaker 4: James Patterson, thank you so much as always. Now coming
37:59
Speaker 4: up and Patterson sits through her first grueling cross examination
38:03
Speaker 4: on the deadly mushroom lunch plus the White House.
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Speaker 3: Hits out at the BBC.
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Speaker 4: Can we gather examples from the ABC to send to
38:11
Speaker 4: them or influential author Hen Mazik.
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Speaker 3: Would join me after this quick break well.
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Speaker 4: A Pew Research Center poll released this week found that
38:23
Speaker 4: around half of adults in more in twenty out of
38:26
Speaker 4: twenty four country surveyed had unfavorable views of Israel. This
38:31
Speaker 4: includes the UK, Canada, France, Japan, and even the United States.
38:37
Speaker 4: In Australia, seventy four percent of adults had an unfavorable
38:40
Speaker 4: view of Israel. Now, this is an indictment on international
38:44
Speaker 4: media outlets, and no wonder so many people are prepared
38:48
Speaker 4: to repeat Hermasa's lies word for word when the media
38:52
Speaker 4: is doing it. As Trump's Press Secretary Caroline Levitt pointed.
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Speaker 13: Out, unlike some in the meet, we don't take the
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Speaker 13: word of Hamas with total truth. We like to look
39:05
Speaker 13: into it when they speak. Unlike the BBC, who had
39:09
Speaker 13: multiple headlines they wrote Israeli tank kills twenty six, Israeli
39:14
Speaker 13: tank kills twenty one, Israeli gunfire kills thirty one, Red
39:18
Speaker 13: Cross has twenty one people were killed in an eight incident,
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Speaker 13: and then oh wait, they had to correct and take
39:23
Speaker 13: down their entire story, saying we reviewed the footage and
39:26
Speaker 13: couldn't find any evidence of anything.
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Speaker 3: It's not just the BBC.
39:31
Speaker 4: Our own ABC is no stranger to bias on Israel,
39:36
Speaker 4: and their former ABC Middle East correspondent is now a
39:40
Speaker 4: Greens politician, was definitely not surprised by this career progression,
39:45
Speaker 4: and she even attended Parliament last week in a kfaet
39:50
Speaker 4: well joining me now to discuss his influential Israeli writer
39:54
Speaker 4: and activist hen Mazik Hen so terrific to have you
39:57
Speaker 4: on the show for the first time. Look how style
40:00
Speaker 4: has the media coverage been on Israel and how quick
40:03
Speaker 4: are major news organizations like the BBC and also the
40:06
Speaker 4: New York Times to take the word of Hamas as gospel.
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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me.
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Speaker 14: And I just want to say your moral clarity on
40:15
Speaker 14: this issue is rare. It shouldn't be rare, but it is,
40:19
Speaker 14: and it matters, especially now. And you know, I've been
40:22
Speaker 14: invited to the by so many times and to their studio,
40:25
Speaker 14: and I've been to their newsrooms.
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Speaker 6: I've seen how it operates. And to think that.
40:29
Speaker 14: There are so many editors that are involved in approving
40:33
Speaker 14: a news item and none of them thinks for a
40:36
Speaker 14: second to maybe there should be some scrutiny with the
40:40
Speaker 14: numbers that Hamas is promoting and sending us. Maybe we
40:43
Speaker 14: should think twice before we're saying that Israel is massacring
40:47
Speaker 14: dozens of Palestinians, And maybe we should think twice before
40:51
Speaker 14: we are issuing a statement like fourteen thousand babies are
40:55
Speaker 14: going to die in the next forty eight hours. How
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Speaker 14: can you even comprehend this, this type of bias and hatred,
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Speaker 14: It's really insane to me. You know, in the Colorado
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Speaker 14: attack that we've seen, a moltive cocktail was thrown at
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Speaker 14: a Holocaust survivor, at an eighty eight year old Holocaust
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Speaker 14: survivor at a peaceful protest calling for the release of
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Speaker 14: the hostages.
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Speaker 6: Which means ending the war. They don't want to continue
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Speaker 6: the war.
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Speaker 14: And the guy that was throwing the mount of cocktail
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Speaker 14: cited the fact that or what he thought was the
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Speaker 14: fact that Israel is killing babies, and that directly relates
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Speaker 14: to what the BBC and the international media has been promoting,
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Speaker 14: this bias, false narrative that is ending up with flames
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Speaker 14: burning Jews around the world.
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Speaker 4: Piers Morgan this week interrupted Jewish lawyer Natasha holst Off
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Speaker 4: some sixty times in an interview with her, and then
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Speaker 4: on social media he went and said, and I couldn't
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Speaker 4: believe this comment. He said that the truth wasn't coming
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Speaker 4: out of her disingenuous mouth.
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Speaker 3: I mean genuinely appalled me.
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Speaker 4: And what's your reaction to treatment of Jewish women by
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Speaker 4: someone like Piers Morgan?
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Speaker 14: Yeah, And he had another male comedian and both of
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Speaker 14: them were attacking this respectable lawyer that has far more
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Speaker 14: understanding and knowledge about law than they do, and especially
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Speaker 14: international law. You know, modern anti Semitism doesn't wear just
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Speaker 14: jack boots, it wears hashtags.
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Speaker 6: It were masquerading.
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Speaker 14: Is activism and spread through algorithm faster than.
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Speaker 6: The truth ever could. And it's not coming from the fringe.
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Speaker 6: It's trending on the Explorer page for all of us.
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Speaker 14: And people aren't being radicalized by manifestos anymore. They're being
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Speaker 14: radicalized by viral content like the one that comes out
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Speaker 14: of Pierce Morgan's online show, and it's dressed up as
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Speaker 14: humanitarian concern and by the time the facts catch up,
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Speaker 14: the lie is already lit the match, as we've seen
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Speaker 14: in Colorado. So I think we keep asking why Jews
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Speaker 14: are afraid, and we are afraid because in the last
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Speaker 14: week alone, Jews have been shot in d C. In
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Speaker 14: the last two weeks, they've been shot in d C,
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Speaker 14: firebomb in Colorado, Holocaust Museum has been vandalized in Paris,
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Speaker 14: and the source is a gaza. Hawks or Hamas claims
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Speaker 14: that people are taking a face value and not even
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Speaker 14: checking it, and suddenly it's it's complicated to looking to details.
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Speaker 14: Suddenly silence and Jews see that we notice it. We
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Speaker 14: notice who speaks up, and we notice who's attacking us
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Speaker 14: and who's joining the mob. And it's really disheartening to
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Speaker 14: see respectable figures that have such large platforms.
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Speaker 6: And so much power using it this way. You know,
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Speaker 6: with great power comes great responsibility.
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Speaker 14: And I think it's true today more than ever, specifically.
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Speaker 6: About the war in Gaza.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I completely agree with you, and I find it
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Speaker 4: so concerning, as you say, influential people, not just Piers Morgan,
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Speaker 4: but Joe Rogan, taker Cows and millions and millions of followers,
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Speaker 4: and they're encouraging this hostile sentiment. Hen Mazik, I've got
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Speaker 4: to tell all my viewers to look you up and
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Speaker 4: follow you on social media because you do tell the
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Speaker 4: truth and in such a strong way and still with
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Speaker 4: empathy for all sides. So, Hen, such a pleasure to
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Speaker 4: have you on the show.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Thanks.
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Speaker 6: So much, Frevan. I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. Now, don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 4: After the break, I bring you the latest details on
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Speaker 4: the mushroom trial with our reporter Holly Sterns.
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Speaker 3: That's right after this quick break.
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Speaker 4: Well accuse mushroom killer Aaron Patterson underwent cross examination. For
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Speaker 4: the first time today, she emotionally denied intentionally killing Don
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Speaker 4: and Gail Patterson, Heather Wilkinson, or knowingly harming Ian Wilkinson.
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Speaker 3: Let's go live.
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Speaker 4: Now to Morewell, where Sky News reporter Holly Sterns joins me, Holly,
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Speaker 4: you've been covering this today. Erin's final day giving testimony
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Speaker 4: in her defense and then the start of her cross examination.
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Speaker 3: Tell us what the main takeouts were.
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Speaker 15: Oh, Sharry, there's a lot to break down.
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Speaker 16: There's been so much evidence today and it's been a
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Speaker 16: very long day for everyone here.
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Speaker 15: Descending on this small regional town.
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Speaker 16: But right off the top, her defense put her question
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Speaker 16: to her, the question that everyone wants to know, the
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Speaker 16: answer to did you ever intend to poison your relatives
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Speaker 16: with deadly mushrooms?
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Speaker 15: Her answer repeatedly no.
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Speaker 16: However, she has admitted to lying about ever owning or
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Speaker 16: using a food dehydrator, and also lying about her love
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Speaker 16: for often foraging for wild mushrooms. Now, Miss Patterson claims
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Speaker 16: that after the lunch when everyone became so unwell, she
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Speaker 16: had a conversation with her estranged husband, Simon, where he
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Speaker 16: accused her of poisoning his parents. She said it was
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Speaker 16: at this point when she became scared and overwhelmed, and
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Speaker 16: that's when she began to fear that she was going
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Speaker 16: to be blamed for something that she claims was all
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Speaker 16: a tragic mistake. She says, this is when she began lying,
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Speaker 16: and that's when she dumped the dehydrator at the tip too.
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Speaker 16: But Sharry, that's when the cross examination began. Secutor firing
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Speaker 16: question after question at Miss Patterson, grilling her about her
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Speaker 16: version of events, clashing with her about medical lives and
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Speaker 16: about why the guests came to the lunch. This center
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Speaker 16: of this cross examination this afternoon is why were the
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Speaker 16: guests there?
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Speaker 15: And this so called cancer diagnosis.
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Speaker 16: So prosecutors essentially claim that she lured her guest to
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Speaker 16: lunch based on a fake cancer diagnosis of her varying cancer.
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Speaker 16: The only surviving lunch guest, Ian Wilkinson. He also gave
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Speaker 16: testimony backing up this claim. But today Miss Patterson disputes this, saying,
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Speaker 16: I never used the word diagnose. I told the guests
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Speaker 16: that I was having issues with my ovaries and that
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Speaker 16: I might perhaps need treatment in the future, but says
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Speaker 16: she never used the words that she was diagnosed with cancer.
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Speaker 16: But this is when the prosecutor put a pretty firm
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Speaker 16: question to her, I want to read it out to
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Speaker 16: your word for word, the prosecutor asked her, I suggest
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Speaker 16: that you never thought you would have to account for
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Speaker 16: this about having cancer because you thought that the lunch
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Speaker 16: guests would die.
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Speaker 15: Now, the jury was.
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Speaker 16: Also shown several photos Sharry of mushrooms on scale, alleging
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Speaker 16: that they were deathcat mushrooms that Miss Patterson had taken
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Speaker 16: and that she deliberately foraged these for her lunch's guests
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Speaker 16: that day.
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Speaker 15: So the jury will resume again tomorrow.
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Speaker 16: Miss Patterson has pleaded not guilty to all of these charges.
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Speaker 16: She also claims that she had bulimia and also vomited
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Speaker 16: after the beef at Wellington Dish. Now, the jury was
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Speaker 16: also told at the end of the day today that
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Speaker 16: there will be an extension to this case.
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Speaker 15: It's likely to go on now for another.
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Speaker 16: Couple of weeks, so plenty of attention and people here
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Speaker 16: in this small regional town for a little while longer.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So it's going to be fascinating because the next few
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Speaker 4: days will be the heart of the matter as we
47:37
Speaker 4: continue to hear the Crown's case. As this grilling of
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Speaker 4: her under cross examination continues, but in summary, we've only
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Speaker 4: got about forty seconds left. But her final position in
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Speaker 4: her defense is that this was all an accident, that
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Speaker 4: the mushrooms were mixed up, that the reason she didn't
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Speaker 4: get seeck is, as you mentioned, she had beliemia, an
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Speaker 4: eating disorder, and she brought up her foot after the meal.
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Speaker 15: That's right, she essentially claims.
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Speaker 16: And this was pretty much a shock as well to
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Speaker 16: the prosecution and all of the journalists here covering it, Sharry.
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Speaker 16: They're international journalists here covering it too, and those claims
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Speaker 16: were a real shock, the first one that she had blimia,
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Speaker 16: and also the other claim that she was actually planning
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Speaker 16: on having gastric bypass surgery too. That was a really
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Speaker 16: big shock to everyone here who's covering this story.
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Speaker 15: But that claim as well wasn't really.
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Speaker 16: Doubled down in miss Patterson's cross examination today, So she
48:30
Speaker 16: was really put under pressure today and that was definitely
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Speaker 16: showcase she was a little bit rattled by those questions today, Sharry.
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Speaker 16: So it continues tomorrow and as you said, she'll be
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Speaker 16: back on the stand.
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Speaker 5: Oh.
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Speaker 4: A fascinating case that we're all following. Holly Sterns thank
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Speaker 4: you so much for your time tonight. That's all we've
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Speaker 4: got time for today. Thank you so much for your
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Speaker 4: company this week. I'll see you on Monday. And right now,
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Speaker 4: here's James Morrow.