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The Animals Voice - The Pony Who Protected His Rider, With Annabelle and Jago · The Animals Voice

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean when we first got in he was a little bit sort of just pushed his body weight around a little bit Everybody liked and we had to kind of be like no, this is like this is my space and you know You can't do that anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can't go away with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess that that was a nice yeah Just thank you so much for taking me in Thank you so much for believing in me and by that he means that you took I don't know your story
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it felt like some people would have advised you to take a younger one or take a different one, yet still you took me, he says.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does this track?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes to writing him, she becomes very sensitive and very, um, like a perfectionist as she mentioned earlier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's constantly asking herself, what did I do wrong?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not good enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't understand this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she's not actually blaming Jago as many.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trainers would.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She blames herself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, because it's not criticism, it's about finding the speeder instead of the break.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, she is the solution.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She has the key to this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They come for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They protect us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They change us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what if they could also speak to us?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the animal's voice, hosted by Ditte Young, internationally renowned animal communicator,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Each week, you'll hear extraordinary stories of connection, healing, love, loss, and transformation through the eyes of the animals who share our lives, stories that challenge what we think we know, stories that open our hearts, stories that remind us we may never have been as separate as we believed, because every animal has a voice, and every voice deserves to be heard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Annabel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, hi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, how are you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Love you to meet you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lovely to meet you, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So where are you calling in from?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it UK?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, from the UK, from Lincolnshire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you tell us a little about the reason for signing up for this show?
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[SPEAKER_02]: OK, so main reason is, so we've had this point of two years now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: we adore him, he's wonderful, and it's my daughter's pony, and he's everything sort of we wanted him to be, and he still has to as an extent, but what we've found is that his attitude seems to change, it fluctuates between him
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[SPEAKER_02]: being really keen and eager, we compete.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not on a great level, but you know, my left my daughter to have fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes he's just goes off the boil and we can't work out wide.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's got progressively worse since we've had him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's happy in his nature, but you know, he's healthy, but in terms of being competitive, she just can't seem to get him going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She can train quite well, but then when it comes to competing,
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[SPEAKER_02]: it also needs to kind of come to a very slow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're almost halted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, and part of that journey, there's also been a little bit of a lameness, a nickel that we've investigated, and the best finding it really hard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it comes and goes a bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They can't seem to get to the bottom of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, whether those two things are related, I'm not entirely sure, they're not, they don't seem to correlate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: when he's been extremely sound, you know, and so that was obviously one computer fee was lame.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not entirely sure whether they're related, but there's a possibility.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, it's trying to get to the bottom of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't a lot of very expensive investigating and we're at a bit of a loose end now and we're not quite sure what to do next.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Feel the best interest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always think it's a really good idea asking the animals first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just love the fact that you're here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we get the opportunity of asking Jago himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do hope, you know, I'm not the veterinarian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I work with health issues, it's quite interesting because I was born with such a an odd ability to scan animals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they only show me what makes them impact to them in the now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I cannot predict tomorrow or, you know, two months later, not necessarily get information about health concerns 10 years ago, but I can ask him about all these questions, but I'll explain it to you just before we get started.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, my work as an animal communicator and a telepath is primarily to receive images in front of my inner eyes and combine them with thoughts in my own mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and emotions, and those three modalities are called telepathy, and most people think, also skeptic people think, but animals can't speak, and of course they can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to say, hello, my name is Jago, and a few minutes from now, but he can send me a lot of energies,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I kind of gather them together and create somewhat of a dialogue based from these informations out of respect for animals because they have an opinion, they have a temper, they have emotions, so I will do my very best to become his translator.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What about Bella?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How old is your daughter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's 14.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 14 years old, she's not going to participate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She is away at school.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, sadly, she doesn't, she's not at school near here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's not able to join in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any questions for me before we get started?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to talk you through it, okay?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so the first thing that happens is I'm sitting here in Copenhagen, Denmark, you are in England, I have an image of Jago, a full body picture and a portrait where it's a possibility for me to see a headshot of his and I will close my eyes in a few seconds and connect with him telepathically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the second, I do that he starts sending me stuff,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what I usually touch is his personality profiles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have written books about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have them in online courses and so on and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to talk you through the ones he's going to pick out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the reason why I'm very structured in my method here as a telepath is because the keys to solving
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are quote behavior issues, or any health concerns, or questions in general, are oftentimes found in their personalities?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does this make sense to you, what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some skeptical people have always asked me why you humanize them, and I always asked people, then why do you call them names?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because they're just as individual as we are as human beings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to ask him about his motivation because as I understand the problem here, he kind of pulled the brakes on Bella when they're competing, so I'm definitely going to ask him about where's your motivation?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is fun?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where is the speed?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where is the drive?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where is the excitement?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course I'm going to ask him about health concerns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually when I do this, I often times make a writer's analysis, which means what kind of impact does Bella have on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can ask Jacob, what do you feel, what do you sense from her, what happens emotionally, physically, is that okay with you, then I'm going to tune in on your daughter?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, correct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she noticed about this, and we talk a little bit about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is she open?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For the last work, okay, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So are you ready?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's get started.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to close my eyes just for a couple of seconds, and then I'm going to communicate what he says just a second.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I don't have to connect with him for a long amount of time or focus because he's literally in my face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the second, I connect with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, hi, I'm Jago and I'm like, whoa, I'm Ditte, but you're in my personal space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he kind of disregards my personal space because,
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like a little toddler, a little tomboy, a little boy, like I know that you have emailed my team he's 16 years old, but intellectually and caught it till he's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's such a tiny little kid here, does this resonate with you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean when we first got to him he was a little bit sort of just pushed his body weight around a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It did really light and we had to kind of be like no this is like this is my space and you know you can't do that anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can't go away with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess that was a nice year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I ask him if he would like to communicate and tell us a little bit about himself and he says, of course, I am of service to you and not being a servant, you know, but just I'm open.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now he asks me, what would you like to know about me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm asking him your personality profiles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sending him six profiles I've made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you are acquainted with a book I came out with called What The Horse Whispers?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I haven't let it in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But in case it ever has your interest, I have loads of informations about these personality profiles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to take you through them because you're not acquainted with them, they're called the playful, the sensitive, the prince, the king, the rigid and lazy one and the shock and traumatized one, those are the six profiles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sending him the energy behind these six, and he says, I am playful, I am sensitive, I am a little prince, and I do have some shock and trauma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he points at four out of six of these profiles and I'm asking him to elaborate a little bit about these six or four profiles Let's do the playful one first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking Jago how are you playful and he says I'm very curious I need things to be fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need a variety in my training.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need you know versatility in general like dressage
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[SPEAKER_01]: over and over would be extremely boring, you know, take me hacking, take me on leisure, take me on show jumping, do horsemanship, do different things that keeps me motivated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does this make sense here?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And especially your energy around me, he says, is necessary too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can be all that serious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just need to crack yourself up, you know, just have a blast around me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I become motivated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm asking him, do you need any help besides from what you just said here, Jago?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that they don't take it so seriously, and I don't think that you do take it seriously, but I think we have something about you have a very perfectionist of a daughter, but we're going to go to it when we reach the relationships and what he thinks about his human being here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm asking about sensitivity because that was one of the personality profiles He pointed out you can be either mentally sensitive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can be physically sensitive and you can be both and he says I'm primarily mentally sensitive and I'm asking him how are you mentally sensitive and he says
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[SPEAKER_01]: It goes hand in hand with, I would once like to become a king, and a king would be a leader of a pack that would be able to look and have a full perspective of the pack and of others, but because I'm too sensitive, I can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, take on the king, you know, on me that I can't take that role on me on my shoulders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what he means here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he does have a leader or a need for what are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that extreme curiosity and phomo fear of missing out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but because he's that sensitive, he can't have that overview and I'm asking him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what do you need?
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[SPEAKER_01]: when it comes to sensitivity and he says when what why you know all these questions I keep asking them questions like when are you coming back what am I supposed to do what about that trailer how long am I going to be in a trailer how long do we have to compete here um and this might sound a bit weird for some people that he has a time
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[SPEAKER_01]: and understanding of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's that intelligent, he does have an understanding of the energy behind time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm asking Jago, would you prefer that they would tell you, I will be coming back tomorrow morning at 6 a.m. or I will be coming back to you tomorrow in 10 hours for now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a huge difference, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not only when you leave, it's also a matter of when I am with another horse, I am with her, because I need to feed her, or because the failure is coming, except all the veterinarian is coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you understand what he says here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He needs the explanation of why are you leaving?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then even if I'm working like them do have another mayor that lives in the field with him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if I'm dealing with her, I should tell him why I'm dealing with her and what we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And especially if you separate yourself from him or the mayor from him, because his question would be, but why can't I come again, FOMO, he's afraid of missing out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tell them that telepathically in my head or do I have to go up to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you can just do it telepathically and create the sentence in your head, but you need to be extremely focused, which means sending it in his direction requires that you can almost see his head in front of your head and then you're telepathically connected, but if it's just a quick thought like, oh yeah, Jago, I'm becoming back in two hours, then he's not picking it up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't mention this about him, but that is what I'm picking up from him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He requires a lot of focus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're not focused, he's not focused.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so he actually mirrors the writer or the human being he's around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking him, what about Prince?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You said little Prince, are you a Prince or are you not a Prince?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why did you mention little?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I never called him little Prince in my material or in my books.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, because I lack some self-esteem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not the dominant arrogant Prince.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, this is my road or this is my street or this is my house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have that ego.
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[SPEAKER_01]: egocentric part in myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have that personality, uh, but I would like to, I would like them to tell me that I'm beautiful, not just cute or adorable, I'm not a rabbit or I'm not a dog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like, I would rather,
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[SPEAKER_01]: use the prince and then I would have a higher self-esteem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does this track with whatever you'd do to call him?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe my daughter would be more treason like she does the dogs in that respect and called him peat and things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so but yeah, so a bit more respectful, sort of like, and it turns out yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, you're the prince.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking him, and you never mentioned the king yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You wanted a full perspective.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does that go hand in hand with fear of missing out Jago?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking him, or is it something different?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, it's different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I have no need for becoming a king.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be that king.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather give that part to the mayor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And let her do the leadership other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking him about shock and Trauma because he mentioned shock and Trauma and whenever I dive into shock and Trauma it's not going to be a long storyline from A to C here but maybe snippets of something that made an impact in the past.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, the first thing he shows me, and I don't know if this is where he was born or a different place, but it's a huge stable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's a writing club, but there are really a lot of ponies around him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there is quite a hassle, it's very stressful here, and people are coming in and out and in and out all the time, and that confuses him a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you have observed that it stresses him out, that when people are moving in or out or coming, you know, passing him by without saying hi to him, it actually makes an impact on him because it's important for him to know and understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But why are you not stopping and saying hi to me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't you give me the food?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is it not me who needs to come with you again?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fear of missing out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He keeps repeating this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I'm a bit curious if this tracks in any way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I guess there is with him, he doesn't like to be always to had moments and not being wanting to be left alone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so, you know, it's not a massive issue, but it's got better than what the longer we've had him, but when we first had him, he was a lot more sort of wondering where the other horses were and if we took one of them away from him, you know, he'd be
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you have that phone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so you have seen, you know, this behavior.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And just you know, I would recommend you to, because I feel that he, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: He spent some energy on these questions and what I am curious to hear more about when it comes to Jago and this conversation is are you using too much of your energy on all these questions instead of spending them on the competition field if that makes sense to you because it is unnecessary that he has these questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: as opposed to helping him in the everyday life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, now I'm gonna pass you by because I'm gonna go after the mayor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or now I'm gonna take in the mayor because the vet is coming to see her and not you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll be coming back in 30 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel that he uses a lot of energy on these questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you going?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't you take me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we don't want him to spend all that energy on that's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, these type of questions, you know, we would rather that he spends them in the competition field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what he says is, um, and maybe you can dive into it, you know, from former owners, if that has your interest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he says that it took them a while to, um, get started with the training.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he felt a little bit, I'm sorry, like a better words, behind other ponies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why he also lacks the self-esteem and that kind of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: continued throughout the years that followed and then he shows me competition feels and has jumped not high high classes but higher classes than your daughter is writing him right now yeah so he's been quite a skilled competition pony
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking him and you are telling me this because because we are talking about shock and trauma and he says because it was actually hard on me to do it over and over again and usually he says and I don't think this he's referring to you here Annabel but he says
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[SPEAKER_01]: I prefer only riding one or two classes maximum a week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And with other words, I think they have taken him writing three, four classes a week before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been ambitious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been very ambitious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he was a, yeah, he had it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a very good show jump in pony before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we got him, so that makes, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, Annabel, when I feel this energy from Jago, this little toddler, this little playful pony, and an environment that requires talent, ambitions, ego, and a lot of other heart, you know, energies, when it comes to the elite, hard comes to competition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't go that well-hand in hand if that makes sense and he tried his best because he's also a pleaser who would just want to satisfy his writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he never said no, he never bucked off anyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He just tried to adapt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But underneath everything is an underlying stress, low self-worth that
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has room to show you because you are not as strict or as ambitious as prior owners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like when people start their vacation with getting sick, then they're coming down with the flu the first week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It almost feels like, you know, now I can breathe.
22:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Now with you, I can relax, right?
22:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
22:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
23:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And not pulling the brakes, but more the leanness to be honest.
23:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But now it comes to show, this is difficult, and it's always been difficult, but I covered it up with previous writers, because I had to go into the competition field.
23:19
[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't that much room for him to react to be honest.
23:27
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so he talks about you as being a mother and I'm asking him why do you call her mother and he says, why do you call yourself Ditte?
23:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what a stupid question, because she's the mother and by that he means the care taker, the caregiver, embraceful to watch each and every one, a high ethical sense and just wanting to
23:53
[SPEAKER_01]: justification and, you know, justice that the things are equal and people are being treated equally and animals are being treated equally.
24:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking him, do you have any messages to your mother?
24:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Just thank you so much for taking me in.
24:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for believing in me.
24:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And by that, he means that you took, I don't know your story, Annabel, but it feels like you took quite a chance by taking him in.
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like some people would have advised you, take a younger one, take a different one, yet still you took me, he says.
24:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Does this make, yeah, actually, the vet advised me not to, probably, yeah, not to take them, but I went with my gut.
24:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
24:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, give us a bit of something more.
24:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, thank you.
24:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for giving me that opportunity.
24:55
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
24:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking him, and what about Bella?
24:58
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
24:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So Bella is,
25:03
[SPEAKER_01]: She is the most energetic, beautiful, vibrating soul.
25:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So eccentric, so excited, so happy about their relationship.
25:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot begin to tell you the excitement I feel from him to Bella and the other way around.
25:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh my God, there you are.
25:28
[SPEAKER_01]: each day even though you know they have the opportunity of just saying hi to one another each day but it always feels like a new meeting or a new now or a new moment and it almost makes me want to cry to be honest because that is being mindful that is being in the now never taking anything for granted but waking up in the morning saying oh I need to go out and say
25:58
[SPEAKER_01]: even though she has the next opportunity and the next opportunity and the next opportunity.
26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Does this make sense to you?
26:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that makes absolutely sense.
26:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's so cute.
26:08
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And what is kind of interesting to me as the outsider when it comes to Bella?
26:15
[SPEAKER_01]: On one hand, she's very energetic and excited and, you know, all about a flower girl, all about, you know, loving people everywhere and all over the place.
26:27
[SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes to writing him, she becomes very sensitive and very, um, like a perfectionist, as he mentioned earlier.
26:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's constantly asking herself, what did I do wrong?
26:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not good enough.
26:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't understand this.
26:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So she's not actually blaming Jago as many.
26:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, are there trainers would?
26:50
[SPEAKER_01]: She blames herself.
26:54
[SPEAKER_01]: You recognize this?
26:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can definitely see that could be the case.
26:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's hard.
27:00
[SPEAKER_01]: She's being a little bit too rough on herself.
27:03
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I do love about your daughter is she's not blaming him.
27:07
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm asking him, can we talk about what is difficult then I ask him, and I kind of already introduce him to whatever might be difficult now.
27:20
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... it is super difficult to uh... being told what to do by instructors or trainers or other people to be honest and i'm sorry and a bell i would as a coach or an equity coach i would rather let uh... bella and jago find their own rhythm find their own you know
27:42
[SPEAKER_01]: way of being together in the world and then it would work out perfectly.
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the second, she feels judged or other people are looking at them.
27:52
[SPEAKER_01]: She turns up and then I tense up, he says.
27:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you noticed the difference?
28:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually would have said she goes better when she's with a trainer.
28:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the trainer gets the most out of them, but equally,
28:09
[SPEAKER_02]: then more likely to go and have a training session with the trainer than spend time just the two of them apart from like hacking and doing the nice fun bits and relax bits.
28:17
[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't really train herself that much with him on her own.
28:22
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
28:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I would recommend you to because when I asked Jago, why is that?
28:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you you know, have a better air quote ride with the trainer?
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He says because the trainer asks us to do that.
28:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the trainer gives us the instructions, but what he means and what he talks about about being by themselves is primarily that Bella needs to trust in Bella.
28:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Bella needs to trust in her own intuition rather than listening to everybody else around her, because she's always right.
28:55
[SPEAKER_01]: She is almost telepathic.
28:57
[SPEAKER_01]: She's very close to being an intuitive.
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that about your daughter?
29:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a wonderful.
29:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but Annabel, if ever your daughter tells you, I think he's partially lame, or I think maybe he has stomach aches, or I think something is wrong with the teeth.
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: please trust her because Jago says she's always right but the only way she can she can learn how to be more certain in herself or of herself is being alone with Jago all right I'm asking him so I hear that you are not as forthcoming with Bella
29:42
[SPEAKER_01]: that I protect her, um, that I am very sensitive, um, with her in general.
29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking him, what is the difference between a training session?
29:52
[SPEAKER_01]: You just told me, whoa, it works.
29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is great because you get instructions and then the competition field.
29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the difference?
30:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so sorry, it's Bella, that's the difference because he says, I know what to do.
30:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been doing this for years, I'm experienced, but I'm always careful when it comes to Bella because I would like to protect her and I'm asking him protect her from what, because I think she would actually want to win.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though it's in the tiny classes, I think she would want that experience of, yay, I want the competition, I got the silver
30:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to speak the truth of what he's sending to me Annabelle, so please, just, you know, it's fine, it's nice to it.
30:39
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, forgive me in advance here.
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: He keeps repeating that she becomes so perfectionist, such a perfectionist, when she feels judged by others.
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: She turns up and this is the second time he mentions this.
30:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it would be wonderful if you talk with Tubella about this asking her, do you recognize this?
31:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you afraid of what we think about you or being judged, you know, in general?
31:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And if she recognizes this, this is a trick Al Pason Tubella as I do every single elite writers I've helped
31:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I would advise her to creating a bubble around her, like a glass bubble, or you know, hubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubb
31:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And it can only be Jago and her in that bubble and even though she can look out through that bubble She can see the arena.
31:35
[SPEAKER_01]: She can see you the trainers the judges other people She needs to be extremely focused in there because in the second it's only me and her He says she knows what to do
31:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so difficult Annabel to try and explain it in other ways that I'm actually already doing, because he keeps sending me the same stuff, she gets, she gets tons, she looks out, instead of just be with me.
32:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Just be with me.
32:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Does this make sense, you Annabel?
32:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely make sense.
32:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure sort of nerves the part of that,
32:20
[SPEAKER_02]: and maybe, you know, things haven't gone right, maybe she's got more worried about that potentially, as time's gone on, and that maybe that's why they start off well and then it's...
32:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say it like this.
32:34
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the problem here, it's not about trusting Jago.
32:38
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is about trusting in herself.
32:42
[SPEAKER_01]: In the second, she has more confidence and becomes, you know,
32:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Comfortable about, I can do this.
32:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do the 12 jumps, you know, let's do them.
32:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I know what to do.
32:55
[SPEAKER_01]: In the second, she can find that energy.
32:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it's a different result.
33:00
[SPEAKER_01]: But if he constantly looks up,
33:03
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, who's at the barrier?
33:05
[SPEAKER_01]: What about the next jump?
33:07
[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of direction it feels like it's a bit confusing?
33:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, do you walk the field with her, you know, in the writing arena before jumping?
33:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did, yeah.
33:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would act good because she needs some mental preparation, you know, and a bit more mental preparation, so she should be able to walk that in her sleep.
33:27
[SPEAKER_01]: to be honest and be that confident and then, you know, instead of going from, um, show jump number one to show jump number two to number three, ask her and where it was number seven, you know, and test her.
33:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember number seven in the right corner?
33:44
[SPEAKER_01]: God you girl.
33:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you have it.
33:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that make sense?
33:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Because she's that afraid of, but what if I missed number four, then what?
33:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I need to start all over again.
33:55
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you need to continue honey.
33:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Does this...
34:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes, there resonates.
34:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
34:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you tell me a little bit about it?
34:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, about your daughter, I don't know your daughter.
34:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of thinking right now about, okay, how do I do?
34:10
[SPEAKER_02]: How do we approach competitions differently?
34:11
[SPEAKER_02]: What else can we do within that, you know, walking the course and her sort of feeling confidence?
34:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe that's in work that we need to
34:21
[SPEAKER_02]: you look at her personal confidence and that side of things, but it definitely makes sense that he'll be
34:27
[SPEAKER_02]: protecting her and distracted by her nerves.
34:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely resonates.
34:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And if she looks out, he looks out.
34:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, where she is.
34:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Where is your focus, honey?
34:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to be in the now because in the second you looked up and you saw the red jacket, he saw the red jacket, or I saw the judge, he sees the judge.
34:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they're out of focus, both of them.
34:51
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um,
34:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that your daughter is unfocused, but I think it's definitely the ability in her personality to sometimes get that distraction.
35:03
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
35:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:07
[SPEAKER_01]: People like when you mention so the animal communicator is said you need to focus.
35:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want it.
35:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want it.
35:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
35:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll do my best.
35:17
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
35:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's such a mother advice, and then just tell her, well, the coach said that, or the animal communicator said so.
35:24
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
35:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's not criticism.
35:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about finding the speeder instead of the break.
35:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So she is the solution.
35:31
[SPEAKER_01]: She has the key to this.
35:33
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
35:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking him what am I what motivates you and he keeps repeating that you're in it for the fun of it.
35:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing it for the win of it.
35:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing it to have fun.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking him, do you sense that from Bella?
35:49
[SPEAKER_01]: She's having fun and he says, yes, if she disregard,
35:53
[SPEAKER_01]: the circumstances and the environment, then she's having fun and that's exactly why I recommend that her and me to be together without other people because she needs to find it again Annabelle, I'm so sorry, I'm poop, I'm gonna spill it out again.
36:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's more
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a pleaser.
36:24
[SPEAKER_01]: With other words, to be honest, she's trying to please you.
36:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
36:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Does that make sense?
36:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Or am I too harsh?
36:30
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think I know.
36:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that definitely makes sense.
36:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I think of course.
36:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean.
36:35
[SPEAKER_02]: we plant these events together but equally there'll be some pressure that I'm sure that I'm putting on her, not like, you know, me too, but no, eventually we go all the way somewhere, you know, do your best, you know, and I'm sure I definitely said told it to focus, got more than once.
36:53
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's all ties in.
36:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in the second that you ask her about the following orders of the jumps, like, do you remember where was number 7?
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, Bella, when she knows this in her sleep, you know, maybe just go there the day before and just walk the field with her.
37:15
[SPEAKER_01]: In the second she knows, leave them, let it up to her because then going and have fun, you know, just have fun and then they're going to win.
37:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Just test it.
37:26
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, give it a shot.
37:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, you have nothing to lose, but you have everything.
37:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, everything to win, all right.
37:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking him, would you like to send me your health concerns if you have any?
37:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, we must remember I am not the veterinarian.
37:46
[SPEAKER_01]: When I see health issues with animals, they always show me their energy and laterality.
37:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And by laterality, I mean a preferred side.
37:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe like us as human beings, we can be either left-handed or right-handed.
38:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I was born right-handed.
38:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I write with my left hand, it's not looking all that great.
38:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do it, but it would require a lot of training.
38:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I mean here by right and left-handed?
38:14
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and the same thing goes for the animals.
38:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And they compensate based from how they carry their weights.
38:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jago shows me that he was born originally right-handed, which means it is easier for him to walk in a circle to the right side as opposed to his left side.
38:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you recognize this?
38:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, actually it takes me back to when I wrote him a few times when he first got to him and I did find it hard on the left lane.
38:47
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
38:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You do, all right.
38:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
38:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And the way he compensates is leaning his weight onto his left front shoulder and he should originally lean diagonally onto the right highlight, which he doesn't.
39:04
[SPEAKER_01]: He leans onto the left highlight.
39:06
[SPEAKER_01]: With other words, he keeps his entire weight primarily to his left side, and that would make him stronger on his left side.
39:14
[SPEAKER_01]: He would have more muscles on his left side.
39:17
[SPEAKER_01]: He would have more tensions on the left side, but it would be easier on the right rain as we just talked about.
39:24
[SPEAKER_01]: This makes sense?
39:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
39:25
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
39:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know which legs he would be partially lame in, but what I do know here is that what has my concern is the left front leg and the left hind leg because that is where he keeps his primary weight.
39:44
[SPEAKER_01]: but the symptoms are often found in the opposite legs, which means I have seen a lot of veterinarians that would go after the right-hind leg, as an example, because he's not carrying correctly from the left front leg diagonally to the right-hind leg.
40:02
[SPEAKER_01]: But that is not the problem, it's not the leg.
40:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so potentially we're looking at the opposite, you know,
40:12
[SPEAKER_02]: So, if it was his right for, it could be his left time, exactly.
40:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So, where is your partially lame?
40:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's on the right for when he's the right for the right rein
40:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And that makes sense that it's on the opposite side of where he carries his weight.
40:31
[SPEAKER_01]: If you could imagine, and then I'm going to look like a moron here, if you could imagine that I was to sit on all four legs, and I should bend like the letter C in Clementine, that would make me right-handed, and I would work better on my right-rain or my right-hand side, right?
40:49
[SPEAKER_01]: But you could almost tell on my posture, then I would lean my entire weight onto my left side, my left-hand side.
40:57
[SPEAKER_01]: you can almost sense that as well right when you do the same thing and of course then it would appear as if you are not using the opposite legs that's the right legs yes yes the weight is okay yes you're
41:12
[SPEAKER_01]: me here.
41:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's more like a balanced problem than I think.
41:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't, and again, with all due respect from the veterinarians and all these professionals, go ask them.
41:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't, I wouldn't put my money on scanning more legs or, you know, x-ray scan them and throwing a lot of money into nothing because they would not figure out what the problem is if they don't
41:39
[SPEAKER_01]: if they are not looking into how he carries the weight constantly.
41:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright.
41:46
[SPEAKER_01]: The next thing he shows me is that he has been locked in the sacrum and the sacrum is the lower back and he talks about a saddle issue and that was also before you had him.
41:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have had an old saddle problem.
42:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It was difficult finding a proper saddle for him and it
42:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, went towards the shoulders, and he says, that's why it's difficult for me to collect my back, raise my back, use my core muscles properly, it's difficult to get him to work properly on the hind legs and collect him in candor and get him over the jumps.
42:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what he says here?
42:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I believe I do, because he creates such a long extended back.
42:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And it kind of comes across as kind of laziness in his part, you know, to kind of, that's how I viewed it that he just takes a bit more work to get going and to get collected into users.
42:49
[SPEAKER_01]: If I should, if I should create an image, if you could look at his body as the accordion, it would extend itself and that's the delay.
43:04
[SPEAKER_01]: extend his back.
43:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So he needs a lot of help with that.
43:08
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not laziness.
43:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It's balanced.
43:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a balanced problem and an old saddle issue.
43:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I ask him, what about the saddle you have now?
43:16
[SPEAKER_01]: He says it's better, but it still goes to what's my shoulder.
43:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So please take a thorough look at the saddle if it needs to be stuffed or you need to look at it, you know, because that would
43:31
[SPEAKER_01]: This air quote laziness or delay in collecting himself and taking the jump immediately.
43:40
[SPEAKER_01]: He also mentions that he and again ask Bella about this, but he mentions that I become quite strong on the left hand and in her left hand.
43:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I have you already seen that, like trying to take the bit.
43:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe that's just not paying attention enough.
44:00
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
44:00
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's stronger on her left.
44:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Left, rain, yeah, and then left hand.
44:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Because both of them are leaning towards the left side.
44:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, if everybody, you know, he feels, I'm out of balance, I'm out of balance, I'm out of balance.
44:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm trying to pull the weight forward towards the bit.
44:20
[SPEAKER_01]: and then it would feel like becoming extremely strong in our hand.
44:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So it literally feels like two different parts.
44:27
[SPEAKER_01]: We have the front of Jago and the hind legs and the lower back of Jago and they are not connected.
44:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the delay.
44:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Does this make sense to you and I think my brains also trying to work out.
44:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, what do I what do I then do about this?
44:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Left with this unbalanced on this left side and you know strength thing up that left of course, let's ask him I'll do the writers analysis quickly and then we're going to go back to show how to solve this issue and I do believe that other
45:06
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll find this interesting.
45:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, with the writer's analysis, when I look at the way the posture of Bella, it would appear as if she was looking or sitting at a clock, you know, the old clock, his head would be 12 o'clock, the Hindleg would be 6 o'clock, her right knee would be pointing at 1 o'clock and her left knee would be pointing at 11 o'clock.
45:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the four, you know, the four different angles.
45:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm asking Jago, so what is Bella doing in reality?
45:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And he tells me that she does the same thing as I do, that she falls down on the left side in the saddle.
45:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And when she does that, her right knee squeezes in two weeks, 12 o'clock.
45:53
[SPEAKER_01]: and she gives me more space on my left shoulder, so that it's a possibility for me to get my room or freedom and work better with other words.
46:04
[SPEAKER_01]: If I should take the jump, go straight ahead.
46:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It's easier for me if I could take one, the first jumps straight forward and then I had to bend to the right side, of course.
46:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be easier for me to take the jumps.
46:22
[SPEAKER_01]: As opposed to, if I'm going on the right range on the right hand side and then I had to do the cross over
46:36
[SPEAKER_01]: She needs to help me remove her knees, her right knee, from my right shoulder, otherwise I can't take the jump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I rather refuse taking the jump because I'm protecting her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I will shorten in the canter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will be shortened in everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she would feel, why are you that tight?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you that tight?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you gonna jump or not?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be afraid if you're not taking the jump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does this make sense to you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're actually creating a really bad circle here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: OK, OK, so take it right me off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, give him space to work better with the right knee and do not please lean towards the left side in the saddle because then of course this will happen that your knees will do will open and you'll do that position instead of being more equals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the first thing to do.
47:31
[SPEAKER_01]: You can put all the money and throw them at chiropractors, messuces, osteopethists, etc etc etc etc
47:37
[SPEAKER_01]: But if Bella is not helping him out,
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[SPEAKER_01]: during the training and he's always been right-handed with all the riders too, then you'll keep having this problem and eventually that's going to be very hard on the lower back and since he's an older boy, I'm sorry,
47:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Jago, but on paper you're an older boy.
47:57
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want you to get severe problems around the lower back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of practitioners do you have?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we have someone who looks at his back and also the dentist and the usual sort of, you know, the MES Adlers and BES.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, then I would recommend you to ask the sattler, of course, to go check out the sattler.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's slides towards the front shoulder or not, and when in doubt, do a second opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they don't believe you.
48:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Secondly, the dentist, I would ask them to come back every six months, as he just mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Namely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Number three, I would recommend you to find an osteopethist and a chiropractor.
48:45
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't only just give him massage, massage, massage, or chiropractor.
48:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You need somebody who's working more holistic on the entire body to find that balance.
48:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And number four, I think I would recommend Bella to be extremely focused on the posture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he can only do what she can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, take the job and the very last thing I think I would recommend you would be balanced training in general.
49:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the more you can come to the forest, the more you can walk on mattresses or go over a cavilletti or show jumps on the ground, sticks on the ground,
49:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yes, because that's what you said the main thing with the lameness in the right could be Because I think it's a balance problem because he's gotten that use to putting the entire weight onto the left Front shouder so he's not carrying his weight on the right front shoulder So I think it's more of a balance problem than I think we have an actual lameness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about these informations and about?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've delighted that you've just said that and hopefully there's not anything more serious.
50:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that that was going to take some work, but it would make some sense to me.
50:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hope it's not just because I'm hoping it's nothing sort of really detrimental with it, it's not breaking down on us.
50:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So it would make sense with his
50:24
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the muscles and his body and how much work we've done, we probably need to do some more work on the band at side of things and better to think about that side when she's riding, rather than just getting on and thinking about jumping and, you know, working, spending more time working on the what she would probably say the side more boring side of riding, but, you know, very important and maybe with let that slip and that could be why we've got this on and off issue happening.
50:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is exactly why it's an on and off thing and not a constant thing.
50:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It sort of is odd because it did seem like it was at one point he was injected because they thought it was his tendon and it seemed to be better so that's in your mind you automatically go, that was the problem and then it comes back so it was been hard to sort of judge and we've never wanted to leave him long and you know too long, you know, if it is if he isn't paying.
51:22
[SPEAKER_01]: of course not and I think it will develop into a more severe problem if but I still think that you can help him out.
51:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I still think that you have time to help him out.
51:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And before I have to take off again and I enjoy communicating with Jago, what was the biggest surprise of the session from today?
51:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I think surprise, but in a lovely way is that is how you understood my daughter's personality like that was amazing sort of to her to her tea and and I think it's a pleasant surprise that it's it's not.
52:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it will sort of, body issue, I mean, it is a body issue with him, but it's not something detrimental, um, and something that we can't fix.
52:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and it's...
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[SPEAKER_02]: fascinating learning about his character and being able to now see a speak to him and know you truly know that he forms that even closer bond with his lovely animals knowing that he understands me and I'm going to be understanding him a lot better, you know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're open, there's being willing to be even better at communicating with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that and it was such an honor being the voice of Jago today and please say
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take care!
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye!
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye!