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Camden Kozeal-From the Dugout to the Duck Blind · The Standard Sportsman

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome to the Standard Sportsman Podcast, where duck and goose hunting's hottest topics meet a mission to leave the resort better than we found it.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_04: Lifelong Arkansas hunter conservationist Kasten Short and Brent Birch bring you thought-provoking conversations with entitled guests before, during, and after the season.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_04: Glad you're here.
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  SPEAKER_04: Let's get into it.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: Hey everybody, Caston Short, back with another episode of The Standard Sportsman.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: Joined as always with Brent Birch.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_02: Brent, how are you doing today?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'm pretty good.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_03: Probably not as good as you given we're recording on your birthday and your Mississippi State Bulldogs are 4-0.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_03: But Razorbacks did win a football game against uh a uh FBS school, so it's been an entire year since that happened.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, not a bad weekend.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: By the time this airs, I have a feeling we'll be four and one, but uh that's okay.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So uh yeah, things will probably change for both teams because I think we go to AM this weekend.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: Back to reality.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think we've got Alabama, LSU, and then Texas.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm looking at that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like if we can pull one of those, I'll be a pretty happy Bulldog fan.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no doubt.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, you gotta be pretty happy anyway.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you know, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, both schools dragging up the bottom.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, you catch some headlines, got a ranking, got a quarterback that everybody's in love with.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_03: So um, yeah, we're we're we're still flying well below that radar.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's as a reasonable fan of a team in Mississippi, all uh ever want to be is just kind of competitive.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm not delusional.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't think we're ever going to win a national championship, although you never know in today's world what will happen.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: But uh as long as we're competitive in the conference, that's what matters to me.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: But I I have an interesting question for you since you mentioned our quarterback.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know, his uncle played there, he seems to have grown up wanting to wear that jersey.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we talk a little bit about you know sports and and kids wanting to go to places now versus cash in a check.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um what do you think about a kid like that?
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  SPEAKER_02: You do you think money gets his attention and he goes somewhere else?
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  SPEAKER_02: You think Mississippi is able to find the money to keep him, or do you think he legitimately wants to be a bulldog and and is gonna stick with that?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_03: I bet it's a combination of the latter two.
• 2:29
  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, uh, you know, quarterbacks can obviously command a lot of money in today's NIL era, and with him wanting to be there, I bet they find the the dollars to be competitive.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but you never know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, what they report some of these quarterbacks are making, uh you know, you you'd like to say, yeah, it's a great story, homegrown kid kind of deal, but you know, money talks and you know what walks.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think Mississippi State, but I get I would guess Mississippi State finds the money and he he stays.
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  SPEAKER_03: I I would I would like to think so.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think with a little success around that program, you know, wallets start to open up a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's some some pretty big name families that have gone through that university that probably haven't started to contribute a ton yet, but a little success and momentum on campus kind of changes the tide a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: But uh and speaking of the tide, you know, Mac Jones, when he graduated and went in the draft, you know, he turned down some multimillion dollar deals from Miami and other schools.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I really appreciate what that kid had to say about it.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, he was a captain at Alabama, so they you know put their hands or whatever and feet in cement there then he chimes.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_02: And that was what his his response was like, if I went somewhere else and played another year, it would totally wash away everything I'd done there.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_02: And as a captain, like I I couldn't do that to that university, I wouldn't do that to my legacy there.
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  SPEAKER_02: He turned down money.
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  SPEAKER_02: He ended up making less to go pro that year than he would have if he'd gone to one of those schools.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I appreciate the integrity of that.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you got Carson Beck that did the opposite.
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  SPEAKER_03: He took the money and went to Miami, but you know, he ended up playing in the uh, you know, the big game.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a different world we live in currently.
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  SPEAKER_03: It is, it is, and uh that kind of fits with today's topic a little bit, you know, college sports, because we've uh we've uh found ourselves uh pulling in a guy that is fresh out of his uh college baseball experience and and now in professional baseball.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh unfortunately, or I should say fortunately, actually, that he's actually a Razorback guy.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're not we're not interviewing another another Mississippi State Bulldog um that we've we've spent a lot of time with um out of the waterfowl biology world because it seems like most guys in that in that uh in that line of work seem to have come through Mississippi State at one time or another, but we've got a razor back today.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and we got a razor back that likes to duck hunt a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh so it should make for uh for a great conversation, tying the two together.
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  SPEAKER_03: But we've got Cam McCozel, uh just now finished up his Razorback career, now member of the Miami Marlins.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Cam, welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm super excited.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you guys for having me.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you bet.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now you're back home in Nebraska.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um your your uh inaugural season in Pro Bowl got cut a little short with a little injury.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_03: Why don't you kind of update us on that and and uh we'll get into it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I in July signed the Miami Marlins in the third round and super fortunate and blessed to have it happen, and then uh got shipped off playing in Low Ball in Jupiter, Florida, which is probably oh like an hour north of Miami-ish.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: Probably big golf town.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: I played there for about two weeks and I had a foul ball off of just a random swing.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: It kind of stubbed my hand a little bit.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what the heck?
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: And uh ended up fracturing my hamma.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's a little bone deep in our hand, and uh people that play stick sports like hockey and baseball and lacrosse end up injuring it quite often.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I had to get surgery on that and cut my season a little short.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: But if it had to happen at any point, this is probably the time of the year for it to happen.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: So fortunate in that sense, but just back in Nebraska now, kind of rehabbing, working out and uh just hanging out with some family.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, you're right.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_03: That is a very common injury.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_03: I th I think uh I want to say former Razorback Andrew Benintendi had that same injury when he was uh in favor um and set him out, missed a little bit of the actual spring season.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_03: So uh yeah, I've I've definitely you definitely hear of that hammock bone injury being pretty common.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_03: But uh, but yeah, so you're you're you're in the offseason.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_03: You know, uh I think a lot of people that that even follow Razorback sports, and this this show reaches well beyond the borders of Arkansas, but uh obviously a a fan favorite in your time in Fable because you originally started at Vanderbilt, uh transferred and played two years for the Hogs.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um but uh your persona was closely identified with your you know your love for the outdoors, whether it's fishing or hunting.
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  SPEAKER_03: So maybe talk about that background a little bit, uh, you know, growing up in Nebraska and how you how you got hooked on all of uh the outdoor activities that you take on.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, both uh my parents are from central Nebraska, a little town of 500 people.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so there you just grow up hunting and fishing.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: So we'd go back there for holidays, Thanksgiving, Christmas.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there was a big rodeo there in the middle of the summer.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: So we'd be back and doing stuff in the outdoors all the time.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: And uh through through good mentors, kind of like my grandpa Mick Kojial, uh, who was the mayor of that town, Sergeant Nebraska for around 40 years, and then my dad, I just had really good mentors in the waterfowl kind of space.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my grandpa Mick, he was a Ducks Unlimited member for forever, and uh my dad, and just great mentors kind of uh that kind of brought me up in the sport, I guess you could say.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I've always loved to do it my whole life.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh ended up going and playing college baseball at Vanderbilt and loved my time there.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it was a great experience.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: Coach Corbin is an amazing person, an amazing coach.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh met a lot of really great teammates, some of whom will be in wedding this offseason.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but ended up uh leaving Vanderbilt and going and going to Arkansas.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: And when I saw all the people in Arkansas loved hunting and fishing as much as I did, I just had to tell people about it.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: So uh I've always the the duck blind song, that was my walk-up song.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh both years at Arkansas people started blowing duck calls when when I came up to hit, and uh some of our media people even printed out quack posters, uh little posters with a duck man on it with a baseball bat.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so I signed a lot of those after games, signed duck calls.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I just I just love duck hunting.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: I love the outdoors, love fishing.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: So uh I the there's a little retainment pond right behind Baumwalker Stadium, and uh try to kind of take care of that.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of nice big largemouth bass in that pond.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: So uh love to go fishing back there and just be in the outdoors with teammates.
• 9:14
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• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Well, tell us a little bit about kind of growing up uh and getting your start in duck hunting.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_02: What are some of your first memories around duck hunting?
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think some of my first some of my first memories would actually be hunting public land with my dad.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, in Nebraska, you have the Rainwater Basin, which is kind of uh around Lincoln, Nebraska, York, Nebraska, kind of that area.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's obviously really big for for migrating waterfowl.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: And uh we'd go hunt public land teal with little uh decoys we found like garage sales and we'd paint them all black like they were coots, and then we'd get some teal decoys and we'd go sit on like beaver lodges and our waiters and trash public land teal.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then one time we had steel fly across like fly across our heads and hit some reeds, and we're like, oh we're not gonna do this anymore.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: So we started hunting our private land back in central Nebraska a lot more.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: But I shot my first ducks on uh oh, it was Platte River State Park outside of Omaha.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: So we grew up hunting public land a lot, uh just with me and my dad and just kind of travel the state Nebraska.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and you know, ended up in Fayetteville.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_03: Fayetteville's not exactly in the epicenter of of Arkansas duck hunting.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_03: And if if people listen to the show don't know a lot about Arkansas, you know, it's uh you could drive all four directions in the state out of Little Rock, which is right in the middle, and encounter four totally different landscapes.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_03: So a lot of people up in that part of the world that like to duck hunt go west.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_03: They go into Oklahoma.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you get some that that go to Kansas.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, there's some hunting there on the west side of of Missouri uh as well.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_03: But um, but yeah, so you you weren't really in the heart of waterfowling, uh, you know, going to school in Fayetteville, but um, you know, that that ability, I guess you were able to get back home, Christmas break, things like that.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_03: Is is that kind of how you kept it going while you were in school?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then I mean now, now offseason Pro Bowl, we have a lot more time.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, during college, it was it was Thanksgiving and Christmas break mainly.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was actually able to go to Fowler's Point uh once down in Arkansas, which would have been oh, I think that's I mean it's south.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of outside of Little Rock.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but went there with teammate Reese Robinette, so that was really cool.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, just Thanksgiving Christmas break, coming back to Omaha and uh going with a lot of family out there in central Nebraska.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: So very thankful that the off-seasons line up because if the off-season, if I would have played baseball or battle or if I would have played basketball or football, it'd be pretty tough to go hunting, you know, because you're so busy in the fall and winter.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: But baseball, it just lines up perfectly.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: So very thankful for that.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_03: No, no question, no question.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_03: Now you kind of you kind of breeze through that Fowler's Point reference.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, whether you know it or not, that is a that is a premier place.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um uh compared, I mean, you can put it up there in I don't know, top 10, top 20s of the all the places in the state of Arkansas.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, it's kind of uh overflow, White River, um, overflow stuff, willows, but buck brush, a lot of that.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_03: But for people that don't know, uh it is a fantastic place.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_03: And and uh that's uh probably an experience uh a lot of people would would give their right arm for.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um so it's cool y'all got to go uh on that trip and and get to see that.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, that's I wouldn't call that classic Arkansas timber hunting, um, but it's it's kind of the in-between of of maybe the field hunting uh that Arkansas is known for, and then the green timber, and then you got the the you know the willows and the buck brush.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, you're still standing in in uh knee-deep water, uh, but uh it's a cool experience hunting in the willows like that.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was it was crazy.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's I've never really done anything like that before.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: When I did that with with Reese and then obviously Coach Paul Simmons, who have a good relationship with, and Bob Miller, and uh just doing that, it's it's just a whole nother level of duck hunting, and it was so cool.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna veer away from duck hunting just for a minute.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you mentioned Larsmouth, so tell me a little bit about your uh your fishing exploits.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: So Bill Dance is probably the best fisherman of all time.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm right below him.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, I um I just absolutely love the bass fish.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's that also started from my grandpa Mick, Mick Kojel.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um he is a super, super avid fly fisherman.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: So he ties his own flies up in Nebraska, and obviously that's a big deal in Arkansas, uh, fly fishing in the White River and Red River and all those different rivers.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but people still fly fish up in the Midwest.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: So got that from my grandpa Mick, and he's super big outdoorsman, super big fisherman, and he kind of passed it on to me and all my brothers and cousins and my dad, obviously.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: So we all kind of just grew up, or yeah, we just did it.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that that was something I I love to do at Arkansas.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's just some peace you find when you go fishing, and it was something I love to do during the season.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: I love doing it in the off season, but during the season when the stressful SEC season can get to a lot of guys, it's like, how do you get away from the game a little bit and just go be and just get your mind off the game for a second?
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: And there's something super valuable to that.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: So I just went, I just went and caught big old fish.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: That was a lot of fun.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I definitely identify as a duck hunter.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's what I would reference myself, but uh I there's some peace about fishing that uh it's very laid back and I enjoy the heck out of it, especially with my kids.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: What's your uh what's your best bass?
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it's like seven and a half pounds, and I caught it on my fiance's lake here in Nebraska, actually.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I I weighed it on this old scale, it's like a rusty scale.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what I'm gonna be able to say.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm I'm telling the truth.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: I I can tell a good fishing story, but it was it was holding it down, and it's like a manual scale, so it's not digital.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like in between the seven and the eight.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I just call it seven, and then I don't really know, but uh it was a really good fish.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: I I love using bait casting stuff.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'll use casting stuff, but a lot of bait casting.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I never had like a fancy boat.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's a lot of jom boat fishing growing up on little little lakes around Nebraska and even some kayak fishing.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: They're just stuff like that, pretty low-key.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you got to keep in mind too, for for listeners that are tuning in from further south of us, you know, if we're talking northern strain bass, that is a really big northern strain bass.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think like eight pounds is kind of the top end for those fish.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I know Florida bass get huge, but uh, you know, that's you're getting up in the upper range limits of those fish.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a that's a stud anywhere.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a really big fish.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, you obviously have the Florida strain, and now people are really getting into and doing the tiger, the tiger bass.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I was fortunate to fish a place uh down in Arkansas through Steve Bowman, who's a good friend of mine, and uh went and fished a res reservoir of his and caught some really nice tiger bass uh down there south of Little Rock.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: But I go fish, I hunt or fish about every day I can.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you sound like uh like most of my kids.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: They love to to duck and deer hunt, but uh they would wet a hook every day if they could.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: What's your guys' favorite lure?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh man, so I'll be honest, this is we'll we'll get off into fishing.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: Brent's about to get really bored with this.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um no, no, I love the fish.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: We uh so it are we have a little 40-acre pond right here at our lodge, and for years we caught really big catfish in it, like 20, 30, 40 pound catfish.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: So we fish a lot with live live bait for catfish.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: And probably doesn't sound like the sexiest fishing in the world, but man, you get a you know 20, 30 pound catfish on a rod and reel, it's a it's a blast.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's a lot of fun.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: So we haven't really changed that effort much, um, but we're catching more big bass than we are catfish now.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: So we use live bait a lot, uh, circle hooks, live bait, and can go out there and catch some nice bass.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but usually aside from that, we do a lot of bank fishing for crappie.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we have a really good crappie fishery here, and in turn, just as a byproduct of it, we catch a ton of bass just fishing with a crappie jig.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: So my go-to would just be a crappie jig.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I can catch most of the stuff in my pond with it.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's about the best way you can catch a really big bass is just using a live, just live bait, like just catch a little bluegill or some tires or something.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's about irresistible to one of those big fish that's smart.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: It'll feel them.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: What about you?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: What's your what's your favorite?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: What's your go-to?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you gotta throw Senko, just a five-inch Gary Automoto.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Senko, you fish can't resist that.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's with when I want to catch a fish.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: When I'm fishing against buddies, and we're like, whoever can catch most fish, it's like, okay, I'm gonna beat you guys.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: But if you want to go have a fun time and try to use stuff that's a little different.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Love using the chatterbait.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, top water frogs are always fun.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh big swim baits and glide baits, those are really cool too.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I met a couple, there's a couple of really good fishermen on the Arkansas baseball team.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Cooper Dossett, very skilled fish.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's a pitcher now, he's in the New York Mets organization, but he's originally from Arkansas, and he's one of the best glide bait fishermen I've ever seen.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Nolan Sousa, who will play for Arkansas this year, he's an amazing fisherman.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and the kind of list just goes on and on with a lot of those guys in Arkansas.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: So we spent a lot of time fishing together.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it kind of fits hand in hand with baseball.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I mean, uh, you know, I fished a ton growing up, fished a ton while I was up there playing, a lot of teammates.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: We had a lot of access to farm ponds.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: They'd find out, you know, you go knock on a door.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: And then this would this would even be set up years ahead of even when I got there.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like the these ponds were known.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_03: If you're a razor back baseball player, you can go fish there.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: And all you gotta do is just let them know.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, it's a relationship deal.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so we had those scattered out all around Fayetteville, uh, every direction.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: And then we'd go to the White River when the white bass were running and and and catch them.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: But um, but yeah, it's it's amazing.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it's because baseball players do have a lot of time on their hands.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, summer ball, yeah, you have a job typically wherever you're playing, but you got a lot of time off too.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: So you play a lot of golf and you fish a lot.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: So um yeah, definitely spent a lot of time doing that.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_03: And and even do it.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: My wife likes she loves to fish, actually.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_03: I likes is not not the right word.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: She loves to fish.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_03: So uh so we but we fish a lot for brim.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you a little ultralight with tight lining for big bluegill on with crickets, it's it's super fun.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: Uh a lot of crappie fishing, uh, all that.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: But uh yeah, but it's it's a it's almost like uh universal language amongst baseball players is you find out you got you know, you find out most your teammates all like to fish.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, we didn't have YouTube and and and the streaming abilities of of social media in my era, but I've seen a lot of y'all stuff, you know, from the current era, and there'll be a dozen of you out there together fishing.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_03: We we did the same thing.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: We'd spread it around those ponds and it'd be half a team, uh it seemed out there out there fishing.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: And it's it's and and you're you're I mean there's there's really skilled ones, there's guys that grew up doing it, there's guys that are kind of into it, and there's guys that are just getting introduced to it.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's amazing how that serves as a bonding experience, you know, within a team.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and you see some of it with duck hunting.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: You usually don't get as many guys as interested in that uh as you do fishing, but it's it's it's interesting how it how that does create some some bonding experiences.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's just an unbelievable way for teammates to get to know each other because you're just out there, you're present, you're doing something fun, and all the guys are competitive because they're athletes, so they're all trying to catch fish.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's just it's so much fun to be out there with each other.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think something you said too that's interesting is because we had access to ponds around Fayetteville too, and they've always kind of been, from the owner's perspective, just Arkansas baseball ponds.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's so cool.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think it kind of just speaks to the to the kids that Coach DeBrian and Coach Van Horn recruited, like good kids, so people trust them to go fish on their ponds and treat them with respect and uh have a good time doing it.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think if the kids were bad kids and they were ruining everyone's property, then they'd probably be like, uh no, you don't get to come back.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's kind of cool how it's kind of gone throughout the years like that.
• 23:17
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• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: All right, so let's tie that back to ducking a little bit.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I know you had you had a handful of teammates.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: We just did, for those listening, you've heard me reference Greenhead, you know, the magazine that I'm affiliated with, um, that we did a story on on Cam, and and there were some pictures in there with some of your teammates uh that uh joined you on some Nebraska duck hunts.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: But um, and one of them was even Australian.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: That's I don't know.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how much time a field he'd spent in Australia, even though I there's crazy places where people hunt ducks.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it it surprises you sometimes.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: But uh maybe talk about that experience a little bit.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: Have y'all were uh almost doing the same with the fishing, but you were bonding over a duck hunt or two.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: That was a really fun trip.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I took uh Carson Willis, Luke Cornelson, who's at Arkansas right now playing baseball, and then Brett Iredale, who's now in the Pirates organization.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: And he was spending the night at my apartment, and I was about to leave for Nebraska the next morning, and he was laying there on the couch.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, hey, you want to come duck hunt in Nebraska?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, No, no, no, mate, no mate, because you know they say mate after everything.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: So he's like, no, mate.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then I mean, I am a communications major and I took persuasion classes in college, so I use some of those tricks on him.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, hey, this will be really fun.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: You remember for a long time, yada yada yada.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, get him to go on the trip, and we go up there in Nebraska and we have a couple little wood duck holes.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: We call them reuse pits, and they're just oh drainage ponds off of the edge of fields, uh, cornfields and soybean fields, and the farmers leave them alone, so a lot of times trees will grow around them, and so the wood ducks just love them when they come through.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: And we had one of those spots, and I don't know, we probably shot 10 or 10 or so wood ducks, and it was a super fun morning.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: And later that day we go and shoot some rifles and some pistols, just shoot targets, and Iredell literally had the best shot out of anyone that was there.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: It was the craziest thing.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: This this kid from Australia.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, are you sure you're not like affiliated with a gang back in Australia or something?
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, like he he just he knew how to shoot.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it just probably hand-eye coordination, and I don't know, it's just baseball players have hand-eye coordination, so he's probably just good at it.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: But that was a really fun trip that we were able to go on.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: So you you obviously connected in college with other outdoorsmen.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: How are you finding that in in the big leagues?
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: Are you are you bumping into a lot of other guys that hunt fish?
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, PJ Morlando.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I played with him uh on the Jupiter hammerheads a couple weeks ago, and he was a first-round draft pick um a couple years ago, and he loved the fish.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: And in Florida, you have access to a lot of stuff.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's water everywhere.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: I learned that very quickly.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then obviously you have the ocean right there.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so I mean he loves the fish.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: So we we went a couple times, and those bass are just bigger down there.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: Everything's bigger in the south, obviously, because those bass were way bigger than any Nebraska bass.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, yeah, you find some guys in Pro Bowl.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's guys who want to go do it.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: You just have so much downtime.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so yeah, PJ was probably the biggest fisherman I came across, but there's guys who were willing to do it.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I would think so.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know, those are those uh even more diverse rosters than you than you encounter in college, especially playing at a school that you know recruits nationally, um, like in Arkansas or Vanderbilt.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_03: But uh, you know, you you've got your your YouTube outdoor channel uh that that you showcase a lot of your outdoor events.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_03: Was that did you have that going when you were at Vanderbilt, or did that begin when you got to Fayetteville and and more opportunities existed, or or did it just did it take it to another level?
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, because it seems to be you're able to get you know a lot of opportunities uh once you went to the University of Arkansas, and that kind of elevated that um your outdoor brand, so to speak.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_03: Uh maybe talk about that.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: You know, that transition you know from Nashville, from Vanderbilt, uh, and then then to Fateville and University of Arkansas as it relates to you know your your love of the outdoors.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I never had that going on at Vanderbilt.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's something I picked up in Arkansas.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: But to be truthful, I probably couldn't have done that when I was at Vanderbilt because the places we would fish in Nashville were places we were not supposed to be fishing.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I probably could not be feeling that.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: We would go into neighborhood ponds and like koi fish ponds and neighborhoods, and we'd put bread on a hook and catch giant koi and then there's all these neighborhoods that said no fishing.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, but no, when I got to Arkansas, uh one of my teammates is just like, why don't you just film one of the days we go fishing?
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I mean, I do it every day, I might as well.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I just did it one day and I was like, it wasn't that hard.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's not that hard to film uh what you're doing um when you just have the camera set up the right way.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I enjoy doing it and uh I love to journal.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a huge journaler and I love writing stuff down.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: I've had a duck hunting journal probably past three or four years now, just recording everything and because I find that interesting.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I've now on my 12th personal journal, just I love to write.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: So so um I find that video is kind of like a journal.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like a lot of those things I do with family and teammates, it's now it's recorded.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I can go back when I'm a seven-year-old fart, and I can just sit back and watch me and my younger buddies go fishing or go hunting or doing whatever.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a really cool part of it.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: But that definitely um definitely became a thing when I was at Arkansas, and it's a good way to keep track of memories.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, for sure.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_03: I wish uh we would have had access to those kind of things.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we were lugging around old VHS cameras, yeah.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, on a videotape, and some have the video tape and it, you know, it's gone, you know, and had some incredible hunts where that happened, or nobody knows where the tape is.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: There's no, you know, there's no online storage, there's no YouTube where where it resides forever, uh that kind of stuff.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I wish I wish we would have had some of the these technologies back in the day.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, and it just all lives in my head now, or the people that I shared the hunt with.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_03: But um, let's talk about this for a second.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about contrasting Nebraska and Arkansas duck hunting.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because it's you've seen it between traveling around those different parts of the world, people see it um whenever they come here compared to how they are home, because Arkansas has a unique there are places to hunt the flooded timber.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_03: There are other places, but not really like we have here.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um so maybe talk about that, you know, how you you kind of went into it wide-eyed with uh not doing that before, and then of course you get to go to a place like Fowler's Point, but but maybe compare and contrast on your your experience in Nebraska to to Arkansas.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I mean in Nebraska we're we're hunting out of oh, pan, we call them panel blinds, kind of like an A-frame, and then we have a pit blind and we use layout blinds a lot growing up.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: So obviously that's a huge difference.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: In Arkansas, when I hunt, I was standing in two, three feet of water and I was kicking it around.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas when you're hunting with dad in the panel blind growing up, and you move a muscle, you're getting yelled at.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: So that that was that was something noticeably different.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like in Arkansas, it's like no, move the water around, like make it look like there's a hundred ducks down here.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas back home, it's like be completely still, like, don't move a muscle.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's something.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: But I think the biggest thing when I went down to Arkansas was the calling aspect, and that's something I've I've listened to a lot of podcasts and I try to work on my calling and watch YouTube videos and stuff.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: But Arkansas, you blow to or you blow your duck call till you're blue in the face.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Back home, we blow our duck calls, but it's not as big a deal, I don't think.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I I kind of sat and thought about that for a couple days.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, why would that be?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: And there could be a million reasons why, but my thing I concluded was probably ducks when they're looking for somewhere to go in the trees, they probably can't use their eyesight as well through all the trees, so they're probably using their sense of hearing more, I would assume, and echoes in the trees, so they're just listening to where all their friends are, whereas back home in Nebraska to the open plains, they can see you probably pretty well.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I think back home it's probably probably more about your decoy spread, and you want movement in your water and just movement in your decoys and calling makes a difference, but that's just kind of what I thought.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: But that was probably the biggest difference that I saw.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: I would I guess offer this.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: I I would think one calling in Arkansas probably differs by location.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: I know we call pretty aggressively here, and our logic behind that is usually there's other birds using a rest area or something near us.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: So when they're in flight, like you're having to compete with live birds, and if you don't hold their attention, you're gonna lose it.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then I know there's places in Arkansas that call very little, you know, they're so call shy and used to that pressure that you kind of see a little bit of that.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: Brent, I think you guys lean a little more that way, if I'm not mistaken.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then I think too, if you're hunting public land, you're competing with other hunters and other callers.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: So there's a you know very unique calling style there.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it breaks down a lot by region.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so since you've hunted both, how would you compare maybe the hunting pressure in Arkansas versus Nebraska?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: I would say, I mean, back where I hunted Nebraska, we have hunters, but I mean, I'm very fortunate to have grandparents with land, so I I've never really had to battle people for hunting spots per se.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: I guess growing up, uh, when me and my dad we'd hunt publicly and a little bit around Omaha, you we would meet up at a spot at 4 a.m.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: with another hunter, and he'd be already there, and we would just, you know, people in the Midwest tend to be pretty friendly, so we would just hunt together with them.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I think there's definitely a lot more pressure around the bigger cities in Nebraska.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but in Arkansas, I'm gonna be honest, I hunting at Fallers Point.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: We had we had one other group out that morning, and you could hear the gunshots.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then I think, if I'm not mistaken, this might be wrong, but there's some public land around Fallers Point somewhere.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: So you were hearing gunshots most of the morning, but there's just so many ducks, they're probably just looking for somewhere safe to go.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know about the pressure per se, but you can tell a pressure bird from a not pressure bird and a pattern bird from a not pattern burn when I hunt Nebraska.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: You can just kind of tell by the way they act, but I don't I couldn't really.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: I've only hunted Arkansas once.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: I want to go more, so we'll just have to wait until the future, and I can really tell.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that that's a little different environment.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_03: But yes, uh Raff Creek, uh WMA is uh just south of Fowler's Point where you went.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_03: So uh yeah, you would have heard you would have heard some shooting, and and we've all got neighbors, we all hear shooting, but uh uh you you know you said something interesting there to me, a patterned bird and a pressured bird, I think they're the same thing.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_03: I think their pattern develops because they figure out where to go and they don't get shot, uh, or they don't run into a a boat or a buggy or um somebody uh you know just harassing them.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_03: And so that that's how they that's how they pattern it.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_03: So they're kind of interchangeable, uh, at least in our part of the world for sure.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um and usually it's weather that messes up both of those things.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um we we talk a lot about on this show about you know, rain, rain kills ducks.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_03: When it rains, their patterns change uh because they go out and they know it rained, they know there's gonna be new water on the landscape, and they're gonna go try to find some new food.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um and then you get the severe cold where you get the freeze-ups and things like that, and their patterns change, and they they start doing other things or they start to get desperate and and make some poor decisions on survivability.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_03: So um, yeah, it's it it is interesting, but uh you know, our our ducks are definitely pressured.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's a it's a tough one um to to kind of work around.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_03: And and those that have ducks are the ones that that baby them.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_03: I I don't know, I don't know the way to put it.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_03: Uh if you if you really bang on them uh more than more than they're comfortable with, you're probably not gonna have them consistently, that's for sure.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's very true.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I think duck hunting's probably a bigger deal, and it's more widespread in Arkansas.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I think in Nebraska, you have waterfowl hunters, obviously.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but people are really chasing deer.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh upland game is a really big deal.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, you have hunters that are really hunting a lot of different things.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: When people go to Arkansas, I think people are going to duck hunt.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: When people have hunting land, they're probably most likely talking about duck hunting land.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: That might be a thing too.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you you may not know this, but we have twice as many deer hunters in Arkansas as we do duck hunters.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, see, I don't know anything.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: Now, there's a lot you can hunt, you can hunt deer anywhere in the entire state.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_03: Anywhere.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I've got I've got a a partner of mine in the the farm that I own.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, he lives in the middle of a very nice neighborhood in Little Rock, and he has incredible deer in his backyard.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: He's got a feeder, he's got a camera, and incredible deer walk up to that thing.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_03: Now, Little Rock is along the Arkansas River.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: There is a lot, we have a lot of green belts and a lot of stuff left to the the state it is, uh, or it was, you know, 100, 200 years ago.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, you can hunt deer anywhere.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_03: You you can't necessarily hunt ducks everywhere.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_03: There are pockets.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_03: There's there's pockets between Little Rock and Fateville that um, you know, you get into some white river bottom, I mean not white river bottoms, Arkansas River bottoms.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um you've got some some places around Morrelton that the hunting could be really good, Arkansas River Bottoms, but for the most part, you gotta be on that east side of the state, so that kind of narrows.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, we've got a lot more deer hunters.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Have you guys ever heard of the the general, the white-tailed deer?
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:59
  unknown: Yeah.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: The general.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: So my family's from there.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: Where the general's rack was found from that area.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_02: There's some uh not speculation, I don't know, uh drama involved with that.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: Is that right?
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I don't know.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure there is.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: I thought it was something about I could be wrong.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: There's some giant buck like that where they found the sheds, but maybe they pretended they killed it, or I don't know.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'm I'll have to look it up.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: From what I've heard about the general, is like they people have they saw the deer, but they never ever saw it during hunting season.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then obviously the sheds were just found in the pasture, and it's the biggest uh typical white-tailed deer ever found.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then I will tell you guys this.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was back at my farm uh two weeks ago on one of my family farms, and I was just dove hunting, and I I spooked up a buck oh out of like a patch of marijuana, it was just bent in the middle of the day, and I probably got ten yards from it, and it got up and I took a little quick video of it, and it is a huge deer.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably the biggest deer I've ever seen in my life, and I'm just gonna name it General Junior.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably the same gene as that deer.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_03: Very well could be.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_03: I had a guy uh send me, he's actually a head coach at Bryant High School, which is kind of a powerhouse high school baseball program here, and he sent me a video over the weekend.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_03: It was a it was a still shot, it wasn't a video, it was a still shot from a trail cam, and it was uh a mountain lion cougar chasing a doe, and then it was a picture the next day of it was half the doe.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_03: That you know, the the back half of the doe was gone.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_03: Uh same doe that that cougar was chasing, mountain line, whatever you want to call it.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_03: But this was on high this was on highway 70.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that thing got caught on camera chasing down a chasing down a doe.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_03: Don't see that every day.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know I didn't know mountain lines were that far south.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: We have a couple in Nebraska, not too many.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of a sight to see when you see one like a mountain line.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: You see people get them on trail cameras every once in a while, even like elk.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like you'll get one that'll go through a pasture every once in a while, but you don't see too many of them.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I was driving outside of a city called York, Nebraska, kind of in the rainwater basin area.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was driving on Ohio-80 going west, and on the side of the road, there was a dead bull elk just in the middle of the prairie.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, what the heck?
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: Why is that here?
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like you usually you don't see those in the middle of the plains anymore.
• 41:38
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• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: All right, I had to go down a rabbit hole to make sure I wasn't going senile in my old age.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, so uh supposedly, you know, they found one shed of that deer and it sold recently for like a million dollars.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: But there was some discrepancy in like some old photographs versus the number of points on it when it was sold.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: Now that's what I was recalling about that deer or some drama involved there.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: But uh yeah, monster whitetail nonetheless.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: And Brett, to your to your point earlier about deer hunting in Arkansas, you know, we're definitely known for duck hunting, but and and I deer hunt, so I f I guess I fall into this group.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: It is insane to me the Friday afternoon before deer season, how many like campers and RVs and four-wheelers get towed up and down Highway 49 in East Arkansas.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like the army is coming in to go deer hunt the next morning.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: It is insane.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_03: No, yeah, they close schools, school businesses close, schools close.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_03: You know, in a lot of rural towns, uh when deer they don't do that for duck season.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: But but deer season, it it'll definitely shut down some stuff.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's nuts.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I, you know, in spite of all that, I would say that the Arkansas Game and Fish probably hears more complaints about duck hunting and duck regulation than they do deer.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: That may not be true.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: You and I've been in some meetings with some contentious arguments over deer stuff, but uh duck hunters are are pretty well voiced.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, no question.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: So, Cam, how does that uh are you into deer hunting?
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Hunting at all?
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like is that does that play much role for you, or is it just just waterfowl?
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was pretty much always just waterfowl growing up, just because of the social aspect of it.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: That was something to do with I'm I'm the oldest of seven kids.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I have six younger siblings and a ton of cousins.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: So uh my biggest I have a cousin named Tite Kojel, and he he played football at UNK, University of Nebraska Kearney, and uh he ended up signing with the Philadelphia Eagles the year they won the Super Bowl.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um was only on that team for a little bit.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um but uh he loves deer hunting and he loves waterfelling too, but he took me deer hunting for one of my when I shot my first deer last year, uh and I I shot a nice buck last year, but I've pretty much just been waterflying my whole life.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think duck and goose hunting is more fun than deer hunting, but when I shot that first deer, I was pretty fired up.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's a different experience for sure.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I was having that conversation with someone just last week about kind of the I don't know, the the social aspect of duck hunting.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like a dove hunt, right?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like you can talk, hang out, like that experience is is different.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: And then in terms of the number of participants, I mean the the barrier to entry to duck hunting is so much higher.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, almost almost everybody has access to a rifle of some flavor that someone handed down or is in a closet, and you can basically take that and go sit by a tree and you can deer hunt, you know.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: But for duck hunting, you know, it's waiters and boats and calls and so much more to get started in the sport.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: So it's interesting to hear you you say that.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: But you're right.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm I'm gonna have to ask you to tell that story about your buck last year, but it is definitely a higher high killing a you know, any kind of trophy whitetail than just a good duck hunt.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's a different experience.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: So tell me a little bit about that story since you seem to uh enjoy it more than you expected.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I woke up early and uh met my cousin Tyke at my grandparents' house, and we drove um out to one of our pastures, and we got out of the truck, and he's like, All right, we gotta walk to the blinds.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: We just walk to the blind and we're wearing like bright orange, and I'm expecting this being the super camoed blind because you know waterfowl, and we gotta camo up the blind every hunt.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: And we get to the blind, and it looks like a big old piece of snow.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: It just is a big white tent in the middle of this oh kind of old riverbank overlooking the river and um a bunch of trees along the river.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I get into that blind, I'm like, this is never gonna work.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sitting there, and he he's just like, okay, we gotta be quiet.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: And that's about the last thing he said to me.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: And he got out those antlers and started rattling those around and did a couple of those buck snorts or whatever you call them.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: And after about 20 minutes, I was like, We're gonna be in for a long day.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I reached down and I start I'm crumbling uh oatmeal cream pie, and he looks at me like he's gonna kill me because it's the rapper's like making a noise.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh, I forgot I'm not supposed to make any noise.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: And we keep sitting there, we sit there for about another 20 minutes, and out of the glimpse of my eye, probably about 150 yards away, I see antlers in the sun.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I hit him on the side, I'm like, Tyke, there's a deer right there.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: There's a deer right there.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: I had to whisper it.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: And he looks at the binoculars and he's like, that's the one.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's the one he's been seeing on camera.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I get my gun up and he's like, Okay, he's you gotta lift the tripod slowly of the rifle and get it to where it needs to be.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I like hit the tenth and I make another big noise, and then the deer kind of disappears in the brush, and I was so defeated.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: I thought I lost the deer.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, gosh dang it, I messed up.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: Then the deer it went around this tree line and came over on our left side, and its head was poking through the trees.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought it was a decoy.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was so still and it was just looking.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it goes back into the trees.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: I move the tripod again, it walks through the opening and tight gives it the old meh, and it doesn't stop.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then he goes, Hey! And then it stops, and I pull the trigger and I see blood go everywhere, and we just flipped out.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was probably the coolest high I've ever had.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was shaking so bad.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: And we gave each other a big hug and we went and found it, and it only ran oh, probably 50 yards into the woods, and it was it was a really nice Nebraska buck, probably probably four or five years old, nine-point deer.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: So that was it was a really cool time.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think uh I think your story is kind of indicative of a lot of duck hunters.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's so much overlap into other segments of of outdoor activity, hunting, fishing, you know, big game.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, we we talk, especially on this podcast, we talk mostly about duck hunting all the time, but so many of us out there, you know, dabble or or do a lot of of other activities.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's cool to hear you share that experience and kind of how different that was compared to what your, I guess you might say your real passion is in duck hunting.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, and and I I think it's cool too.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think what like upland hunting and pheasants forever, and uh they do a lot of stuff in Nebraska.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: So we're going pheasant and quail hunting is really fun too.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure.
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• 49:47
  SPEAKER_03: All right, so you you just brought up Pheasants Forever, and this was a topic I wanted to kind of talk about a little bit because you and I have had a uh a lot of conversations since we did the article and we've stayed in touch and and uh you you jumped on board with uh the you know our buy two duck stamp campaign uh deal.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_03: But we've had some conversations about you know your age demographic or your generation and conservation and and how uh you're you're you have the reality that your age group needs to do bo needs to be doing more uh than than what what they're currently doing.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_03: And and Case and I talked about this um when we were younger, we didn't necessarily have the the same um really overarching mind to conservation.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_03: We knew you know ducks unlimited existed, and you get you know you need to go to the banquets and you do this and you do that, but not maybe the you know the whole death.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_03: And it case had a little bit different uh path because he had a a mentor in his grandfather that was uh dedicated to it, and of course his dad picked up the ball from there and and all that.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_03: But let's talk about that for a little bit.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, what what you're seeing amongst your your age group uh and and where you think maybe some of that mindset maybe needs to shift for this to be when you get to be our our age that the ducks are still around and and uh worth chasing.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think a lot of it has to do with social media, and I've heard you guys talk about this before on on the podcast, but everyone sees the piles and the fun gear, and I think that's what duck hunting is, especially as a younger person.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people are on social media, um, and that's just that's what's sexy, you know.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's what kids see, and they're like, oh, that's so much fun.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I've come to realize pretty quickly, um, just spending a lot of time in the outdoors, like it's not about killing the piles and having the fanciest gear.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of fun.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I love shooting limited ducks or shooting a huge buck or shooting a bunch of pheasants or really anything any hunter loves to do.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: But like I want to pass this on to my kids and my grandkids, kind of like how my grandpa did to me with some of our land, you know, and it's it's such a precious resource.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you drive around.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: I read a book recently called On the Wings of the North Wind.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it was about a guy who who just drove from Canada all the way down to Louisiana, just observing the flyways and or just observing the Central Flyway and a little bit of the Mississippi Flyway, and looking at the habitat and just seeing how detrimental humans have been just to the habitat of all these animals, especially waterfowl.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I just I don't want to be a taker of our earth.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: I want to be a giver.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like I want to give something back to our natural resources.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: I just that comes from the stewardship part from God.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like God gave us this beautiful earth and to have domain over all the creatures of it, so we really need to take care of it.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I I just have a very big passion for it, and I hope I can affect some of the people in my age group.
• 52:56
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• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so I'm gonna ask you since it's my birthday, I'm gonna ask you, and I got an idea.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_02: How old are you?
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm 21.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_02: When um have you always felt that way?
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_02: Is that something that's come about in recent years?
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, walk walk me through your mindset and when you noticed that you you thought that way about the resource.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_01: That would have probably been about two years ago.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: I went through a killer phase.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard you guys talk about that.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I had a phase where it was like, I gotta go set out 20 dozen decoys on the river this morning and go shoot a limit of mallards and everything.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's what I wanted to do.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: But then uh that shift, uh I think it just came from just reflection, a lot from journaling and just sitting, sitting out there, probably getting a little more deeper in my faith, too, and uh just becoming probably closer with my grandpa, who is so passionate about like we gotta pass this on to the next generation.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, why do I have to wait till I'm 50 years old to want to care about this and preserve what we have?
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I should I should try to make an impact now.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's probably probably about a year ago, two years ago.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: I you know, I would Britt may chime in here.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of feel like that's at a little bit of a young age to make that switch.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_02: I know, I know some people do it.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think you know, a lot of people are still going through earlier stages of of the hunter when they're at that age.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it's pretty cool that you're that you're talking about that and kind of sharing that.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um put you kind of ahead of a ahead of the curve on that a little bit.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I'm gonna give you an opportunity to talk a little bit more about it because you mentioned your your faith.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's one thing that kind of leads you into that stewardship role, like recognizing that you're a part of something bigger than just yourself.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: So if you if you want, you don't have to, you can you can say you don't want to.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_02: But if you want to talk a little bit about your faith and how that has kind of driven that, you're you're welcome to take that opportunity now.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I mean, I was driving around Central Nebraska and I was looking at all these fields, and you see all these low points in these fields, and there's it's like corn and soybeans never grow over them.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like farmers keep playing over it every year, and it's just because it you get a heavy rain in the summer, and it just it floods right there, and then the water kind of seeps back in, but no crops are gonna grow there.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, that's a wetland.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's just getting planned over and planned over, and I'm like, man, one day I'm gonna die, and God's gonna be like, Why were you not a better steward of my land and what I've given to you?
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna be like, Oh, maybe I don't have an answer for you, God.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because I didn't do anything about it.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't go out and spend time in the natural resources and realize not just me is using the land, there's ducks, there's geese, there's rabbits, there's beavers, there's deer, there's all these things that depend on the land, not just us.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, making a dollar is important, but you can't take that money with you when you go to heaven.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, yeah, you can pass it on to your kids and they can do well, but I mean, and then you just read Genesis, and it's like we we have domain over everything on the earth, of over all the birds in the air and the fish in the sea.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I think God's given us a unique opportunity to just kind of take care of his creation in a way.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like that's not something to be taken lightly.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think we have a call to do that, each and every one of us.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a really cool thing, and I really enjoy doing it and spreading that kind of word about it.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I definitely think I think you're on to it right there.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know, uh, I forget some of the exact parables, but uh, you know, like the uh the owner of the vineyard who leaves it in the hands of servants and comes back and you know, what have you done with it?
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's some definite correlations there.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_02: So I appreciate you sharing that with us.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, of course.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I and I would agree with Casey.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's definitely you're early, you're early on uh, you know, having that mindset.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I I definitely didn't at 21 years old.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it took a while and it really as uh it really escalated when uh you know became an owner of of said ground.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_03: I you know it was it was something that that I was closely uh uh attached to and have a lot of blood, sweat, and tears related to it as well.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_03: And not that it has to take that to to shift someone to that mindset because you do the older you get and the more you do it and you and you see the the good, bad, and the ugly of of this sport, you know, you you want it to be around.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um I mean you know, casin' my kids, both of my kids are older than than you are.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um Kasen's are all younger.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_03: So you know you expand some different generations and think about where is this sport gonna be?
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_03: Because we've had Lee Joseon here, and he's he's 10 years older than I am, so that would make him 20-ish years older than Kasen.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_03: But he's very adamant that if this sport continues on the path it's currently on, there won't be here.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_03: It'll be gone.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_03: It'll be gone.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_03: Ducks will be gone, all of that.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_03: Uh because you know, you kind of gotta you gotta have that mindset that not everything we're doing is f best for the long run.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_03: So uh, you know, I commend you for having that that early uh you know uh vision, but it we've talked about it.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_03: It a lot of times it comes back to that mentor.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, you got your granddad that um kind of laid this foundation for you and you were wise enough to pick up on it because um you can sure get away from that pretty quick and get caught up in in what's cool.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_03: And and we we struggle a lot.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_03: We can sit here as older guys and say, you know, and kind of yeah, but they're gonna say, you know, they don't get it.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_03: They're old, they're old men, they don't they don't really understand why, you know, I post what I post or why I say what I say or why I have this mindset about hunting.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_03: And at the same time, you you kind of gotta be at that younger age and kind of realize that uh this is not a never-ending deal.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um it it just it just doesn't work that way.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it it's cool what you guys are doing with the two duck stamp thing.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's an easy, easy way to do that.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um and like you always say, if you're a duck hunter, I mean we spend a lot of money on gear, you have another$25 to put towards saving wetlands and everything.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's really cool what you guys try to do with that.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, we we've we've referenced it.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_03: We we didn't come up with the idea.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um lots of people have been buying multiple stamps, but maybe not in an organized way or or maybe as widely broadcast.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_03: There's been some pockets of efforts to I mean, this is an easy way to to help ducks.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because a lot of things, you're right, a lot of things in this sport are expensive.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_03: And um, you know, whether you own ground or not, I mean that some of these guys in the public ground, you know, their boats are are uh more expensive than some people's trucks and and things like that.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_03: So uh there's a lot of ways to spend money in this sport, and this is just an easy one to to give back a little bit.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's the the main thing is you you we gotta create more mindset to to give something back.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_03: You just can't take and take and take and expect this deal to be around.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_03: So again, appreciate you using your your voice and and you know whether we whether you want to call it a fan base or not.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you you definitely have it.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um and so uh much appreciated to go out there at 21 years old and say, guys, think about this for a second and kind of roll with that message.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I think I think it's just having a mentor.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's probably the biggest thing.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like you guys talk about a lot, and uh that that's a big deal in it.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone may not have that mentor.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I think for the people who do understand it with without social media, it's a good thing.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: You can use social media for a lot of good.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: So using those platforms to promote ideas like that.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_01: It may not be your grandgrandpa who's a very close mentor to you, but hey, they're vouching for this on social media, and I respect them and trust them.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe they have what they're saying is worth it.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_01: So it's good to use platforms for good like that.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_02: And it's always really refreshing to see um you know athletes or anybody in the public eye that that takes time to use their influence for good.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_02: So uh I appreciate you appreciate you doing that because it doesn't just benefit you, you know, like you talk about you know, your kids and future generations.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I think, you know, the quicker a lot of us get to that point where we care about the future, then the better off everything ends up being in the long run.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_02: So I I appreciate you feeling that way and then and then taking the time to do it and say it.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_02: So thanks.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then you gotta kind of put your money where your mouth is too.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I I kind of recently became like an actual DU member and uh obviously buying two duck stamps and trying to just help in that way too.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's like if you do care about it, just back it up with actions.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of people can do that too.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's you know, it's very easy to to talk the talk.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's a whole different thing to actually do it.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, man, I appreciate your time on the show today.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna we're gonna exit out of here.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I appreciate you and all of our listeners.
• 1:03:07
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• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks.