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NEAR DEATH experiences while Hunting! (Grizzly Bear Encounter) · The Bow Disciples Podcast

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  BDP 3 new member Chuck first time on the show and then we got
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  3 veterans of our three, three episode career.
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  Chuck's only new to the. Pod only the pod?
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  Yeah, only the pod. What a.
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  What's going on here? You know, today was Halloween.
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  We did a 3D shoot and yeah, I was Oktoberfest.
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  I just been missing the Stein. We just learned the words.
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  So I was a bummer, but we do have a mixed drink.
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  It's just in a red cup, which is not on brand for the outfit.
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  Brianna also matched, but she, as you can see, exited the
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  outfit. Well I broke the second button
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  as well now. So I bent over again and broke
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  the other button. So I just gave up.
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  Where are these buttons? The my she has a you know.
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  Front. Stay on mine buttoned on and I
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  they just. Well, we had added extra slits
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  in the back because it was a little too floppy and loose.
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  Yes, Slits is the word. I yeah.
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  So it's actually kind of a tradition now it's our third
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  year in a row doing this Iron Turkey shoot, which is always on
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  Halloween. So the first year I was Officer
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  Dangle, she was a Scarecrow. The second year I was an
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  astronaut and she was Mario. And then this year we were
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  these, Matt was going to be a pilot, but had to, you know
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  couldn't. Quite Make it in time.
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  How was the shoot? Phenomenal.
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  None of us had done one in six months.
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  Yeah, small group. So it was quick.
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  Oh, really? We have. 34 targets and we got
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  through it fast. Yeah, I shot 3110.
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  How? Many people there 40 people, No.
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  That's it. Yeah, let's not skip over that,
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  skim over that. The 31 tens do that.
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  You had 31 tens? Yeah, out of 34, Yeah.
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  It's crazy. 2nd. Half, Yeah.
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  Some of. The card was all tense.
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  I did 17 straight on the back half.
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  Yeah. So dude, it was crazy.
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  Like we started shooting and I was, I was just saying we hadn't
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  done a shoot since Utah tax. So I've been a while and I
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  honestly have not shot much lately, like at all.
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  But went to it and I always say that I think sometimes like a
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  shooting reset and I'd be curious, you guys thoughts on
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  this. Sometimes that reset is so good
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  because prior to my break I felt like I was shooting a little bit
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  better than my groups were and I was just like, I feel like I'm
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  shooting better but not getting great results.
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  Had the bow shop run through the bow and then picked it up
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  yesterday, zero practice and then today came out and probably
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  shot my best ever. Just everything was like right
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  in the tan or the XI think. The brakes is good.
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  Why do you think that is? I think it's mental.
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  I think sometimes you just, like, maybe had enough.
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  That's for me. Like, I feel like I've had
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  enough sometimes, and I'm just. I don't know.
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  For some reason I go through phases where I just put the bow
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  in the case and zip it up and I just leave it alone and move on
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  to stuff. And then I get the urge, the
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  desire, and then I pull it out and then I'm now I'm back into
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  it and I don't know. I think it's just a mental
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  break. You start chasing like the
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  little things like, so sometimes you just make too many
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  adjustments or you're just, you know, you're chasing an arrow
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  that way and you're trying to correct five things at once and
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  then you know you're just losing the basics behind it versus if
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  you just put it away. And then your endurance will be
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  less when if you don't shoot it every day, you know, but you go
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  and shoot 10 arrows and you still remember how to do it and
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  you're more relaxed, you're, you know, less frustrated behind the
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  bow. I think I see your point to
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  mentally. I see your point too about
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  setting the bow down for in in both of our case, probably a
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  month since Utah hunt, which we're both in the same area.
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  We weren't really on it together, but it'd be fun to
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  hear your perspective of what you saw.
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  But I think that when you put the bow down and then pull it
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  back out like you said, you're you're really back to just like
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  your main fundamentals. You know, draw, have a good
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  grip, nose on the straight, circle to circle, and when
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  you've shot for three months straight, maybe you start
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  thinking about little tiny shit too much.
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  Yeah, I always shoot better when I have a goal.
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  So when I I know both seasons coming, I get motivated and then
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  I'm out there and I'm focused and I'm shooting.
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  You know, I don't know. I never go crazy.
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  I'll do like 5 or 6 ends, or maybe you know, maybe a little
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  more. But I'm never like shooting over
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  like 50 arrows at a no at a shoot.
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  You'll start. At a deteriorator.
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  You know, and you're just getting frustrated and you're it
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  might not be. Now you're trying to fix
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  something that's only due to fatigue that you're not going to
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  be experiencing at your first shot per Southeast.
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  Yeah, you'll experience like a different fatigue hunting.
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  We've talked about that a bunch of times.
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  But that's where the fitness is important and especially where
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  we were hunting up in Utah, very high elevation.
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  So you were there about what, 6 days and you brought Scott, a
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  first time hunter who's been in this on the show?
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  Was that his first hunt? That was his second big game
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  hunt. He went on a with one of the the
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  archery store. They went on a group hunt, Oh
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  like and he went, yeah, he did, They did a pig hunt.
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  So he did a pig hunt once, but it was a long time ago, so he'd
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  never haunted deer, elk, So, and then your other buddy came from
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  Vermont. Yeah, he's my best friend from
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  Vermont and. You know, he's a lifelong
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  hunter, just like myself, but he'd never outcome it.
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  And I've been telling him, come out, come out way different.
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  Yeah. And he he we've been putting in
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  for some rifle tags together and we hadn't been getting drawn.
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  So with the over the counter thing I said hey we didn't get
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  drawn again why don't you just jump in both feet and come out
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  here. So I said you like you can do it
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  two ways. You can either you can fly to
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  Salt Lake City and I'll pick you up Salt Lake and I'll take you
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  to the woods or. You want the whole experience
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  with the road trip, fly to San Diego and jump in and we'll, he
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  said. No, I'd rather do that.
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  So yeah, that's a pull too. That is a long drive.
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  Yeah. I swear it's not as long as the
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  Book Cliffs though. When we drove to the Book
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  Cliffs, I swear it was like a meme because we had a caravan, a
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  three different, yeah, three different vehicles, 4-4
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  different vehicles. So we had three trucks and
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  Nick's Volt. And I swear it felt like we I
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  would check the GPS and it would say, yeah, 8 hours to go.
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  Then I would, it seemed like we drove a whole day.
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  I'd check it and it's like 7 to go and then it got to 4 1/2 and
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  I swear like 5 checks in a row. It kept saying 4 1/2 and I'm
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  like Taylor, I feel like you're driving in circles like we're
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  going. Nowhere stops changing, you
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  know. There's no change.
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  That was like a treadmill first. He was sitting.
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  There. One year we went to.
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  Me, my buddy Ben, and my buddy Dennis.
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  Those are like my 2 main hunting buddies.
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  We planned a trip to Laramie, WY with an antelope tag.
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  I had an antelope tag, but they were coming with so we stayed at
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  AK Way. And then from there we were
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  going on a guided elk hunt, Montana and we got up at 3:00.
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  He lives in Temecula, so I picked him up at his house
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  around 4:00. We drove straight from San
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  Diego. To Laramie, WY in the same day.
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  We were absolutely delirious, I bet.
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  And then that 80, Interstate 80, there was construction, so we'd
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  be going. 80 miles an hour, 10 miles an hour, 80 miles.
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  But we made it. We were watching videos on
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  YouTube. Motorcycles, of course, but
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  only. Motorcycles.
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  Yes, But my God, that was a crazy drive all the way from San
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  Diego Laramie and jeez, yeah. Can be done?
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  Yeah, I can. It makes Salt Lake City a lot
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  closer. I much prefer having Nick's
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  house in Saint George as a checkpoint.
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  That's, yeah, it's so nice. On the way there though, I did a
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  similar drive. Yeah, you did it all the way.
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  I won't say where, but yeah, it was 414 now.
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  Yeah, something like that. You did it.
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  Till first stop. I drove.
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  I. Left at 3:00 AM too.
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  When I went to get my camper from Montana, I drove from, I
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  left home, went to Zion, did a quick little hike and then drove
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  to Salt Lake. Stayed the night and then drove
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  all the way to to Bozeman the next day.
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  Stopping through like Glacier and Yellowstone is.
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  Yeah, that's how it was a real mission.
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  Yeah, we went from Laramie, killed an antelope and then got
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  on the road the next day, drove through Sheridan, WY and then
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  all the way across Montana to Hamilton because that's where
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  we're hunting in the Bitterroot. So.
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  But this hunt in in Utah, we how was it with the two first timers
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  is what I was going to ask. It was great, you know, it was
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  fun because it wasn't just about like I'm a meat hunter so I was,
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  I was very determined to just get meat, which I didn't end up
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  getting meat. So my elk meat now is like
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  you're down to your shoulder to reach the last of it, but that
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  was disappointing. But the whole experience of the
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  road trip and setting up, we got the camp spot we like, so you
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  know I've got a good pop up camper so we awesome camping.
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  Very first morning got out, did the easy hunt and then just to
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  kind of get them acclimated to the elevation and stuff and that
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  was like a gentle one. But then in the afternoon I was
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  like, OK, well, I want to be up there.
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  So this afternoon is going to be steep, you know and so that size
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  is not as steep well depending where you.
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  Are right from that camp where that sand, that gravel pit is,
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  there's a steep N facing slope right there that's about.
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  I've done it twice now. It's at least an hour and a half
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  hike to get up there and then from there it kind of plateaus
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  out and it's amazing territory. But it was good, it was fun.
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  We got we saw it out the 2nd morning, you know, walking into
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  a spot where we bumped A5 by 5 out of a wallow one time.
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  So this time, you know, I tippy toe in there and I glass a lot
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  before I get into that area because I've I've already bumped
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  an elk out of there. So we, you know, took our time,
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  got in there and then OK, cool, it's all clear.
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  I didn't even think to look to like scan the woods past the
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  wallow. And then as soon as we kind of
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  got up to the Meadow boom, a cow busted and we got a glimpse over
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  here and then we watched her run away, so.
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  They were excited that, OK, cool, we're in there.
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  It's. Encouraging.
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  Just to see. Them.
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  Yeah, especially on such a tough hunt.
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  You. Know like.
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  That one we we walked. Out and what do you you call
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  them the the peninsula? No, no.
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  What do you call the area, the grassy areas?
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  Oh, parks. Parks.
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  He calls. Them parks.
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  Oh, is that a real thing? Yes, yes.
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  I just. Thought that was one of James's
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  weird No, it's called a. Park.
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  Well we walked into a park and you kind of stopped in the edge
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  and looked around. So we're like OK we can you know
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  we did some elk calls there just didn't think to like kind of
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  scan through the woods. Means they're their parks are
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  pretty big so you could technically glass across and
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  into like the first 20-30 yards of wooded area and.
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  We called and. Then.
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  You kind of saw that flash of what you thought was a deer and
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  then boom, you heard the second movement or something.
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  Yeah, that was real weird. Yeah, I blew it.
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  Right there on the edge of the trees, essentially.
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  And there was a there's a elk. I see.
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  It was so, so bizarre because I call and I'm standing there and
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  all of a sudden I see something move in the timber.
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  And I was like, I think that was a deer, like it looked like a
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  buck and it was like over here. And then can't remember if I
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  moved or maybe took a few steps towards it.
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  And then from like 20 yards behind where I had seen that a
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  freight train of a bowl ran out of there.
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  So I was like, I'm pretty sure I saw a deer and then right after
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  a a elk, but I I couldn't tell for sure unless he did like AU
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  turn. It almost had to be and he was
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  bedded right there and you could just see because the the the
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  ground was wet so he was making huge prints but the.
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  Track confirmed afterwards, At least one that we could find.
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  You know, running for a while. It's crazy how long you can
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  follow there. We did that a couple times
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  because that was. We spooked that one, and then we
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  spooked the one that we followed the tracks for.
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  Like, I don't even know how long that felt like before we ended
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  up going up to that rag horn. Oh.
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  We followed those tracks or they run for forever it seems.
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  Well, they you got to think there's size of a horse so they
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  can cover so much ground. It's.
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  Incredible. Their, Their pace or their?
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  Their stride? But it's weird because like
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  you'd be following like running tracks and then all of a sudden
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  you would find what was very evidently.
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  Very. Fresh shit from that one.
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  Like he just stopped, took a shit, and then you'd see his
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  tracks walking again and it's like.
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  Nice for him. Just anywhere you're at dropping
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  off some weight, you know just mid, mid run are.
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  You scared of truck? Care of Chuck?
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  Yeah, you're all you. Could be any further away you
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  look? This.
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  Is the way I sit. Every.
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  Time we pod, though. I put my pillow here so my
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  coffee doesn't drip water all over me.
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  I'm very cozy. I put my my fancy socks on for
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  every pod today. It's cuts of meat today.
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  Where's the legend though? Like I need what?
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  That I need a list of what? I thought there would be a
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  legend on the bottom, you know? Like 1.
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  Through whatever. Yeah, that's what.
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  I need you. Know fives is rump, Maybe a rump
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  roast? One more.
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  A little dig on Brianna, You're missing a few arrows in your
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  over over there. Yes.
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  Yeah. Where'd those go?
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  Oh, she got her first Robin Hood the other day, so.
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  That's where two of them went. That's.
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  You know, start. With the positive.
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  And then then. Then one went you.
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  Lost both of them. You couldn't even save the.
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  Oh, we're going to hang it up in here.
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  It's her first one, so we're going to hang it up.
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  But the perfect one, Your first Robin Hood you have to keep.
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  Yeah, after that you don't keep them.
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  Unfortunate, because James had just left.
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  That they're expensive. Yeah, the first one's fun after
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  that, they're expensive. But so she did pull the.
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  Second one. Yeah, the first one, you kind of
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  have to cut the. Last one I did, I I lost two of
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  one. We'll see with your arrows.
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  Can you even, like, do a true Robin Hood with yours?
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  Slim. Yeah, Shaft, But you can
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  actually still bury an arrow. It's even more impressive,
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  right? Yeah, it's way more.
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  Needles like that. But yeah, I've done it with
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  standard diameter arrows and just pull the second arrow out
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  and it's not. It's still shootable.
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  Yeah, but on those I I couldn't get the.
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  Second arrow. I feel like for me personally
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  that is a downside of shooting the micro diameters that I've
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  noticed just at shoots and stuff.
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  To me they do not seem nearly as strong as like the gold tipped
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  standard. See.
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  I think the opposite. You think they're stronger?
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  Yeah, I hit the well. I hit the steel today and just
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  if it wasn't for the insert, getting mashed backward.
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  Yeah, I mean, that's surprising. That's why I look at his and
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  look at mine. Mine split right in half,
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  shattered. I switched because I shot at
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  ELK. My first elk with a bow, maybe
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  it's my only bow, I don't even know.
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  But 25 yards out of a ground, blind and it was perfectly
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  broadside it. And I waited it, it's back.
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  It's near side. Front leg was back as it was
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  down feeding. I even waited until it stepped
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  forward and opened it up. You know, I was at full drop.
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  Come on. Come on.
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  Come on. And as soon as she stepped
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  forward, and it was so now both of her front legs are even and
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  look like one leg, so I know she's exactly broadside.
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  And when I shot that elk, I had a lighted knock, so I knew I hit
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  it. I thought it was perfect.
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  But she when I shot her, she took off running.
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  My arrow hit, she slammed into a tree and kept going, but my
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  arrow flew out of it. So anyway, I knew I smoked her.
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  I knew I 100% it was right at last light.
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  So I picked up my stuff and left.
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  When we found that Elk, the exit it, the arrow went, went into
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  her and it actually penetrated an exit hole, but the arrow
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  stayed in it, so she had a hole there.
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  It was AG 5, Montek 3, you know, fixed blade, fixed blade.
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  So I think my arrow hit a rib and kind of turned and because I
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  know she was broadside so my arrow was going perpendicular,
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  but. I had an exit hole back.
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  Towards her hip. Then as she ran, she hit the
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  tree, it yanked the arrow back out and you saw the arrow kind
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  of tumble in the air. But so I thought after that
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  experience, I was like, you know, if I had, maybe if I had a
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  heavier or more durable arrow shaft, maybe it would have not
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  deflected. So that was the motivator for me
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  to go to like a you know what I thought was a higher quality,
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  better arrow? And interesting, yeah.
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  You know, I I don't know, I I thought maybe if I hit a rib in
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  the future, it wouldn't deflect like.
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  That. But you know, I'm sure there's
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  probably a dozen factors that go into that.
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  But still, that's why I switched.
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  It wasn't really anything else it.
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  Wasn't so you could squeak in the 12 ring.
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  No, that's worse. Oh yeah, you actually.
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  Want the Yeah, you go along. Get the target show.
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  Yeah, you're not putting lines, so think about it, right?
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  Yeah, yeah. If you have the like, you go
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  watch target tournaments. Those dudes are all.
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  Shooting telephone. Poles.
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  So yeah. Trinormous.
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  See, I had my best scores. No to cut lines with those.
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  Big ones. Because if you think about it
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  now with Chuck with the micro diameter, you got to hit like
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  very, very close to the. Line you're not to put with two
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  points or whatever. You're getting different between
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  an 8 and a ten or five and a eight.
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  You're not getting the love. But I've dropped my.
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  Best tournaments My best tournament scores with the
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  slimmers, with the slim, OK? I did switch back this year to a
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  normal diameter on the bow I used for the.
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  The Police and Fire tournament. Yeah, the one we got.
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  And I and I looked at this. I did get some.
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  I had probably. Oh, police and fire.
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  Never mind. Well, no.
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  On the one that we shot, that one we got disqualified from two
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  dogs. But I did have I.
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  Got about in a 28 era. What was that, 40?
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  I probably had two arrows. I'll bet you I had four targets
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  where I cut lines that I might not have cut lines with.
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  The slim ones. So I would think you could maybe
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  like a lot of points. I would think you could maybe
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  like but. For hunting.
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  Squeak in a gap and not get deflected out, but I guess the
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  the arrow tip isn't isn't any smaller so it might not make it.
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  Yeah, the head's the same size. Doesn't make it.
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  Yeah, the insert's slightly larger.
• 18:03
  Than the, than the arrow, right? So that's the only bummer with
• 18:06
  the slim arrows for me. In my case is that what I've
• 18:08
  learned is that when I shoot like foam target practice,
• 18:11
  whether it's like a Glendale insert Target buck or that red
• 18:15
  dice target that I really like. Any of those targets that you
• 18:19
  can shoot broad heads on with a standard diameter arrow.
• 18:22
  Because the insert and the tip is the same diameter as the
• 18:26
  actual arrow, you're not doing a lot of damage to your target.
• 18:30
  But with my slim arrows with the the thicker insert, it blows him
• 18:35
  up. He does.
• 18:36
  Your arrows do suck to pull, Yeah?
• 18:38
  Well, here's that because they have that mushroom tip.
• 18:40
  Yeah, well, so here's that. Usually Chuck Chuck's are a
• 18:44
  designated score guy. Yeah, he was.
• 18:46
  He was today. You know, Bree Bree's the lady.
• 18:49
  So we don't, you know, make her hike and pull.
• 18:52
  Jake, you're. Sometimes you get lazy.
• 18:56
  Today I pulled all the I'm. Always pulling Ted's.
• 19:00
  Always looking well I'm the film guy.
• 19:02
  Is this? You don't even have the camera.
• 19:04
  What? Sometimes you don't even have
• 19:05
  the camera. Well, all.
• 19:06
  The time you leave the camera behind, but I have to pick it up
• 19:09
  and keep going with it. I don't know what.
• 19:11
  He's well, I. Just I feel lazy because.
• 19:13
  I'm no, but but you're organized and you don't lose the cards.
• 19:17
  And today, he was not as best. As the scoring game, I think he
• 19:20
  was off 3. Or 4.
• 19:21
  Times. I got I got up at 4:00. 20 or
• 19:23
  430 for. A structure that's not.
• 19:26
  Yeah, that's not good. You're better than.
• 19:29
  I'm a little, yeah, a little out of sorts.
• 19:32
  I was off. I'll tell you what that.
• 19:34
  Was actually a shit show, yeah. There was a questionable time
• 19:38
  where we weren't sure what was happening.
• 19:40
  When in Doubt, 10 out. Three or four times we were on
• 19:43
  like target 30 and he'd be like we should be at 31 and I'm like,
• 19:47
  no, that was. Thing you know, it's impossible
• 19:51
  with 30 targets too, to go back and go.
• 19:53
  Which is too many. Luckily at Balboa it's like
• 19:57
  usually the layout is pretty similar, so you can kind of like
• 20:00
  kind of go through it. But good course today, a little
• 20:04
  crammed at the end but 34 targets didn't really have a
• 20:06
  choice. I thought it was really fun.
• 20:08
  Some tough shots, the buck, those were tough.
• 20:11
  It's funny like some days when you're on shooting it's just
• 20:14
  different. Like I felt like I made one bad
• 20:16
  shot that I felt was I did not break super good.
• 20:19
  It was still a 10. But it was the one that I was
• 20:22
  like, that shot was not great and it was like that far right,
• 20:25
  but still lying. You make it through this deal,
• 20:27
  yeah. Nice.
• 20:28
  Grooved it, like right up the middle.
• 20:29
  Both then blew up a jointa. Yeah, that.
• 20:31
  Happens. And I wasn't gonna do it.
• 20:33
  No, I was. Like, yeah, shot 20.
• 20:35
  I'm doing it. It was pretty big.
• 20:38
  So why is that? Because you know on your Morel
• 20:41
  dice target, if you took it in the yard, you could hit one of
• 20:44
  the one white every time. It's like hitting.
• 20:46
  It's like hitting a tee shot on a par 3 / a pond.
• 20:49
  Over she's. Going in the pond, yeah.
• 20:52
  They're going to hit your worst shot ever.
• 20:53
  Install it right into the. Park I take a hockey puck on my
• 20:57
  like. Buck target.
• 20:58
  I take a hockey puck and I trace the hockey puck with a marker
• 21:02
  and that's what I count as my 10 ring and I get consistent on
• 21:06
  that. But you throw some iron on there
• 21:08
  and. For some reason you freak out.
• 21:11
  Or a tree just to the right and somehow you're.
• 21:13
  Looking you're looking at things that you're yeah, I mean you,
• 21:16
  you know. Hey dude, let's go back to the
• 21:18
  Utah thing because you asked me what it was like with the 2
• 21:20
  hunters that had never elk hunting before.
• 21:22
  And for the first time ever, when I haunted, I actually felt
• 21:27
  like a guide, but not like in a good way, like in a this is
• 21:31
  difficult challenging way. Like the pressures on you the.
• 21:34
  Guys were. A funny part of that was I told
• 21:39
  my buddy Keith, I said hey. He's like, what do I need for?
• 21:42
  I said, well, nothing, Just, you know, camel, bow and arrow,
• 21:45
  whatever. And he actually borrowed one of
• 21:47
  my bows. So when he got here.
• 21:48
  But anyway, I said the only real thing you need to get, I got you
• 21:52
  all set up, but get a cow call and start practicing cow calls
• 21:57
  and he goes, OK, somehow here, get an elk call.
• 22:01
  So you bought a primo's bugle tool.
• 22:05
  It was the kind with the rubber diaphragm at the tips.
• 22:07
  You don't need an ELK call. I like that one.
• 22:10
  And. And I said, how's your practice
• 22:12
  in it? Whatever.
• 22:13
  But on the way up there And Scott too told him, hey, get
• 22:16
  like a primo's hoochie Mama or something like that.
• 22:18
  Just something easy that you can use that you don't have to use a
• 22:22
  diaphragm because a lot of guys don't.
• 22:23
  It takes some time to get go to the diaphragm, sure.
• 22:25
  So that's what made the ride up to Utah fun, because I bought
• 22:29
  them both diaphragms and I was like, here, you know, once
• 22:35
  you're good at those. It seems like it'd be easy for
• 22:38
  anybody to do, but that made the ride up fun.
• 22:41
  But anyway, when we were hunting, it was challenging
• 22:43
  because you know, we with the other guys that I go hunting
• 22:47
  with, we do, you know, cow parties.
• 22:49
  So we'll split up a little, you know, 10/15/20 yards apart and
• 22:53
  we'll all do multiple cow calls at a time just to act like we're
• 22:57
  a group of cows. And then, you know, stand by for
• 23:00
  a while and wait for a response and then move to another
• 23:03
  location and do a little cow party again.
• 23:05
  But. With those guys, they weren't.
• 23:08
  They didn't wanna use the diaphragm calls and stuff and
• 23:10
  Keith only had his bugle tube, so which he actually did get
• 23:14
  pretty good with, but he get any responses.
• 23:18
  I got one. He didn't because he didn't
• 23:20
  bugle out in the woods. He.
• 23:22
  At camp, I was, he's like, man, I was driving my wife crazy with
• 23:25
  that help call. I was like, I'm dying to know
• 23:29
  what were you doing? Like, show me what you were
• 23:31
  doing. And he busted out the bugle call
• 23:33
  and he ripped one off. And I'm like, we're all at camp.
• 23:36
  There's four of us in camp with them.
• 23:38
  I mean, all that dude, that's not that bad, you know?
• 23:40
  Yeah. Mine wasn't too bad at the camp.
• 23:42
  Until I did it in the woods. Yeah, then it was.
• 23:46
  Pressure got to you. Oh yeah, sounded like one of
• 23:49
  those old weenie whistles. That's what it was like,
• 23:53
  horrendous. The elk.
• 23:55
  Started to call and then got hit by a car.
• 23:56
  Yeah. Well, you know what's funny is
• 23:58
  on the last evening when we were hunting was the only time we
• 24:03
  even came close to an opportunity.
• 24:06
  We had an encounter with a really nice cow, huge cow elk.
• 24:10
  But after that, that fizzled out.
• 24:12
  She got. She spotted us and got spooked
• 24:15
  and took off. But a little while later when
• 24:17
  the sun was getting low, I said, you know what it's like, you
• 24:20
  know, 4th and long fourth quarter down by 7, you know
• 24:23
  we're going for it. So I just ripped off a bugle and
• 24:26
  I got a response. And the response I got sounded
• 24:30
  like maybe that felt first bugle like weird.
• 24:36
  And so I I answered back. You know, I hit him again.
• 24:41
  And he this time he bugled a little better, but he was
• 24:43
  closing the distance. And then I I kept playing.
• 24:47
  So I got to work that bowl and I got Keith set up on right on the
• 24:50
  edge of a park little Meadow about 20-30 yards wide.
• 24:54
  And then I had Mackie downwind because the last time I had a
• 24:57
  bowl encounter, when he came in, he went downwind of us.
• 25:01
  That's what busted us. He picked up our wind butt.
• 25:03
  So I had. I felt like a guy, you know?
• 25:05
  I had my shooters lined out. Yeah, I was.
• 25:08
  I was running through the woods to, you know, change location
• 25:11
  and you know, and I was raking. I was raking a tree, but I think
• 25:17
  I was maybe being too aggressive.
• 25:19
  But he did. He did come in a little ways.
• 25:22
  We never got a glimpse of him and he was up a ways and
• 25:24
  probably like a 50 to 60 foot embankment that he would have
• 25:28
  been up on top of. But he played with me for a
• 25:31
  little while. But at the end he did something
• 25:34
  that I'd never heard before. He did like a.
• 25:36
  It sounded like a growl. Oh yeah, I never heard.
• 25:40
  Oh my God it. Scared.
• 25:41
  The living shit out of Oh no, that was a bark, not a growl.
• 25:45
  Oh, what's the difference in these?
• 25:47
  The bark scared her, but the growls.
• 25:49
  I have heard them once or twice. The first time I ever heard of
• 25:52
  Growl Yeah. She was.
• 25:54
  Like. Unicorn looking animal.
• 25:56
  And then they make these sounds that sound like rabid wolf.
• 26:00
  That sounds like a cute puppy compared to the sound.
• 26:03
  Of that thing I heard a bark. I don't know how to do it.
• 26:06
  I've heard it sounds. Like the devil.
• 26:09
  It's kind of like that. I'm curious.
• 26:12
  Yeah, no, it's. The barks are crazy and every
• 26:14
  time one would lit up, light up on a bark, she would like,
• 26:17
  flinch. You.
• 26:18
  Oh my God, it sounds absolutely like not an exaggeration.
• 26:23
  It sounds evil. It sounds like an evil devil.
• 26:26
  Like it? I've never heard it.
• 26:28
  So yeah, the whole experience to me, I felt like I was a guy, but
• 26:31
  like I said, not in a good way. Only because I felt like a
• 26:34
  responsibility to work hard and try to find out and get, you
• 26:38
  know, get us on elk and then doing the calling and get not
• 26:43
  getting lost and then introducing to Onyx Maps.
• 26:47
  And then also with Scott being young and and a new hunter.
• 26:51
  And Keith and I are, we're both over 50 and we've been hunting
• 26:54
  our whole life. So we were really trying to make
• 26:56
  sure he wasn't. Glued to the.
• 26:58
  App. Like you know at times we were
• 27:00
  navigating and he was using the app and we're like we're trying
• 27:03
  to like hey Scotty, you know make sure you look at the lay of
• 27:07
  the land look at the skyline look at you know natural markers
• 27:11
  to so if you if your phone dies. You get reference.
• 27:14
  Yeah, it's a mirror. You got to.
• 27:16
  Learn the old school, too, so make sure you're not just glued
• 27:19
  on to the app. And I think that's like the
• 27:21
  generational difference between the guy that's 25 and the guy
• 27:23
  that's 50. Yeah, the.
• 27:25
  Paper map. You know we.
• 27:27
  Learn to hunt without any kind of device for sure you know you
• 27:30
  had to learn. Look at ponds.
• 27:32
  Look at familiar trees, something crazy landmarks and.
• 27:35
  Read the skyline. Read the sunset.
• 27:38
  You know what time it is and how much time you get left.
• 27:41
  And timber's the toughest. It's the easiest place to get
• 27:43
  lost. You know, I've been lost hunting
• 27:46
  really only once, but it was, it was bad, it was a bad situation
• 27:50
  and that was in deep timber, you know, heavy timber and that was
• 27:54
  grizzly country as well, which can get us into your story.
• 27:56
  But when I got when I got lost that day, it was, it was in
• 28:01
  Montana back in the day when they had over the counter elk.
• 28:03
  I don't think they do anymore. But it was really, really tough
• 28:06
  and we were hiking so deep in the mornings and then staying
• 28:11
  out all day because we got kind of hosed like we didn't have our
• 28:14
  camper. We were supposed to stay with
• 28:15
  the family member then hunt like property, buying their house.
• 28:18
  That didn't work out. So then we're like well we're
• 28:20
  already all the way here. So we just stayed at a hotel
• 28:23
  that was close to public land that we could hunt, but that was
• 28:27
  a 2 hour drive. So every morning we wake up at 2
• 28:30
  drive 2 hours hike and and and then we would we would get back
• 28:37
  at. Too early 8 PM and drive 10.
• 28:41
  Two hours to get back at 10, get up at 2:00.
• 28:43
  We did this for like 2 weeks straight and by the last time we
• 28:47
  were like so fatigued so beat. I think I dropped like 20-5
• 28:50
  pounds bust an ass and this one day we we my dad and I leave
• 28:56
  separate and. Where was this?
• 28:59
  Montana. Montana.
• 29:00
  So we're up in this. It's all snowy by the way.
• 29:02
  So we're up in the snow and I think I heard a bold bugle or
• 29:06
  something and he shot down this like super steep drainage and
• 29:11
  then like buried down like way deep in this Canyon.
• 29:15
  So I'm I it was a dusk and I followed him down there and now
• 29:19
  I'm buried in this dark Canyon and I'm like in my head.
• 29:23
  I was like, you know, if I just walk this Canyon, I'll
• 29:27
  eventually reach the road. And I just kept going and going.
• 29:31
  It's getting darker and darker and darker and now it's like,
• 29:34
  I'm not sure. So I fire up my Garmin GPS.
• 29:37
  This was like before Onyx fire up the Garmin and I was like and
• 29:42
  it said no signal was too low with the stitch.
• 29:45
  So I'm like and I'm finally, you know comes up and I'm open to
• 29:49
  arrows like this way and it's like trucks 27 that way behind
• 29:53
  me, right. So I had to scale out of this
• 29:57
  and it's dark now and I didn't think I got back to the truck
• 30:00
  till like 11 or 12, you know, at night.
• 30:03
  And then I'm freaking out that there's no cell coverage
• 30:06
  anywhere. And I'm thinking, I'm going to
• 30:08
  get back to truck. My dad is going to be freaking
• 30:09
  out that I'm buried out here in. The truck, No, I get back and
• 30:13
  he's not back yet. So I'm like, oh God, like his
• 30:17
  worst possible scenario, you know?
• 30:20
  So I wait another half hour. I start driving the roads.
• 30:24
  Finally I find him. He was walking.
• 30:25
  He got lost too. So both of us got lost in the
• 30:27
  same day. And then after that, that was
• 30:30
  when we were. I never take off days on him,
• 30:33
  but that was when we were like, OK, we're just, we're so beat
• 30:38
  down from the sleep schedule and the work that we actually took
• 30:41
  the next morning off and just slept.
• 30:42
  Yeah, I think you have to. Sometimes I wreck my feet one
• 30:46
  time on a hunt. And I I told the guy that I'm
• 30:48
  going to stick around camp. You know, because we had
• 30:52
  actually had a cowboy coming. And we on a drop camp, we had a
• 30:54
  cowboy coming in to pick up, pick up some deer meat because
• 30:56
  we've killed some deer. And they're like, well, who's
• 30:59
  going to hang around camp? And I said I wore the wrong
• 31:03
  boots on this hunt. I wore like tree stand type
• 31:06
  boots. Not not rubbers, but I wore some
• 31:09
  tree stand style boots. Can't be one of the rubbers.
• 31:12
  I said. Yeah, I said.
• 31:14
  I'll say. Yeah.
• 31:15
  Sometimes you gotta do that. Be ready.
• 31:18
  Yeah. I did that this time, and then I
• 31:20
  got locked in the trailer. Oh yeah, she did.
• 31:23
  She got. Locked in the tray, Yeah, we our
• 31:26
  our lock had started having a problem.
• 31:28
  No, no, it's not a problem. There's just two locks.
• 31:31
  One locks the handle, one locks like the overall door, and for
• 31:37
  whatever reason, I don't know if it slipped their brain like I
• 31:40
  guess they normally lock whichever one and Ted started
• 31:43
  locking the other one, and so you can.
• 31:47
  In inside? No.
• 31:49
  No, even from the inside you can't undo it.
• 31:51
  It's like key only from the outside.
• 31:53
  That's why I like my truck. With the.
• 31:54
  Keypad. Yeah, that's.
• 31:55
  That is nice, actually. Tell my I don't know why more
• 31:57
  companies don't do that. And then I stash a spare set
• 32:01
  like. Yeah, well, so we had.
• 32:02
  That's how we knew it wouldn't work because we had tried it and
• 32:06
  Ted had took off with the keys that when we first got in there
• 32:08
  to go get his truck fixed and he had them.
• 32:11
  So we used the spare one. We unhooked the pop out.
• 32:15
  Bed area of Ted's and I climbed through the hole went in.
• 32:18
  You cannot unlock it from the inside.
• 32:20
  So I knew once I got stuck I was like, I can't.
• 32:23
  Even if I climbed out Ted's thing and climbed back in, I
• 32:25
  can't unlock it for them. So I sat in there for about 1/2
• 32:29
  hour, like, well, I guess I'm, I was going to go out in the
• 32:31
  morning. Don't do it, thief.
• 32:35
  It's going such a mood. The worst.
• 32:40
  I'm the worst. I love him.
• 32:42
  He. Will not buy his own.
• 32:43
  And he says he doesn't need them.
• 32:45
  But yeah, he'll I actually just. Everybody and their mother?
• 32:47
  No, I actually just did. Buy your own, Yeah.
• 32:49
  Paul, when that sale, the Super sale I did, yeah, so.
• 32:52
  Or maybe because it was. Not, he says, he bought.
• 32:55
  Them he hasn't paid, he. Told Paul to order, yeah.
• 33:02
  That's like when I was in the I quit chewing tobacco and I had a
• 33:05
  chief that I love, my chief. And every time I saw him, I hate
• 33:08
  chief. And I can I you know.
• 33:10
  Yeah. I thought you quit.
• 33:13
  And like I did, he goes, no, you just quit buying it.
• 33:17
  Yeah, it's no progress. It's progress.
• 33:20
  Yeah. So I got stuck inside for about
• 33:22
  30 minutes and I was like, well, I guess I'm not going to, I was
• 33:24
  going to walk out to the tree stand just late and I was like,
• 33:26
  I'll just go glass and. Then I was.
• 33:29
  Like I'm just stuck. And then it like dawned in my
• 33:31
  brain. Like I'm an idiot.
• 33:32
  Ted just told me about this when we got here.
• 33:36
  Windows. It's not that far of like, far
• 33:38
  of a jump. So I undid the little, like,
• 33:41
  living room table window. Yeah, and jumped.
• 33:45
  Out the window and. Yeah, drove down in glass for a
• 33:49
  while, but. You know, you talk about getting
• 33:51
  lost in the woods or whatever. Like I grew up in New England, I
• 33:54
  grew up in Vermont, and so there for me, you know, I hung in my
• 33:59
  whole life. So I've been lost in the woods
• 34:01
  multiple times and. In Vermont, it's sort of easy in
• 34:06
  my the way I always looked at it was if I got lost, I'd go
• 34:09
  downhill until I found a brook and then I would follow a brook
• 34:13
  because a brook will take you to a road or will take you to a
• 34:16
  river. And all the roads, a lot of the
• 34:19
  roads, the dirt roads, back roads in Vermont, they follow
• 34:22
  the same contours, rivers. So I always had that in my back
• 34:25
  pocket. Get lost, going downhill, find a
• 34:27
  brook, follow the brook. But in the West.
• 34:30
  And that's why I love the Rockies.
• 34:32
  They're just a different story You talk about when you're oh,
• 34:36
  I'm in this Canyon or this, this ravine.
• 34:39
  I'm just going to follow it. It's quick and easy to get off
• 34:43
  of the wrong ravine. Just a null takes you
• 34:45
  absolutely. Now you're not even going the
• 34:47
  same direction, absolutely. It's a big different ball game
• 34:52
  and and it's like the stakes are higher too because the country's
• 34:56
  so big. So there's I got so many.
• 34:58
  Creditors, too, on that, guided Hunt.
• 35:00
  Because the guy was bugling across the Canyon and we got a
• 35:03
  bull talking to us across the Canyon.
• 35:06
  And I thought, and the guy did, hunt was like, OK, cool, we got
• 35:09
  a bull, here we go, Let's go. Like shooter collar.
• 35:13
  But I don't know if he was tired or what, but he was like, all
• 35:15
  right, Chuck, I'm going to stay here and keep him talking.
• 35:17
  You go get him, OK? You're the guy, not a.
• 35:22
  Leash, that's. Another thing, I always do what
• 35:24
  your guy tells you to do. So I said OK, I'm gone.
• 35:26
  I took off and. And I, you know, he got quiet.
• 35:30
  I started to side hill. I got into some timber that
• 35:34
  looked like, you know, I don't know, I started to get that
• 35:37
  eerie, grizzly bear feel and I just kept going, going, going,
• 35:41
  going, going. I thought that the road was, but
• 35:44
  anyway, I got way off course and I wound up coming out to the I
• 35:49
  found the road, but I found the road a mile.
• 35:52
  Off of where I thought the road is, I broke myself off and then
• 35:55
  I probably had to walk at least a couple of miles back to the
• 35:58
  trucks just for and shit. I was only 1000 yards from
• 36:02
  where. My God.
• 36:03
  Crazy. Yeah.
• 36:04
  Well yeah, like you said, those you know if you're on a finger
• 36:06
  that's a long ways from this one.
• 36:08
  Took me forever. So let's hear, let's you know,
• 36:12
  like I said, ionic grizzly country once we we, we what.
• 36:18
  I just keep eyeballing this hat you're.
• 36:20
  Wearing it, I just. Keep back.
• 36:23
  Just keep glancing back over. I just glance every time he
• 36:27
  like, yeah, I mean, you must have adjusted that.
• 36:30
  It's like your bra strap is not it's not the most.
• 36:34
  I mean, I got this at the Halloween.
• 36:36
  Store. Yeah, true, but it.
• 36:38
  Looks. Bad.
• 36:39
  At least it's not a skirt, you know, because that camera would
• 36:41
  be straight up the pipe, you know?
• 36:45
  So Chuck, you you have. Been around Grizzlies before?
• 36:49
  I have. I got into a grizzly last year
• 36:51
  for the first. Time not hunting it right.
• 36:53
  No, I was on a deer hunt. Yeah, and what's funny is I told
• 36:57
  my hunt buddies I'll never hunt in grizzly country.
• 36:59
  And my buddy Dennis laughed. And like, what's funny?
• 37:02
  He goes, Dude, the time we went to Montana, you were in grizzly
• 37:05
  country. He's like, no, I go.
• 37:06
  Really. He's like, yeah, there's
• 37:08
  Grizzlies there like shit, and I'm just bugging a bow and
• 37:12
  arrow. But yeah, last year we went to.
• 37:16
  It's called Dutton. It's a town called Dutton.
• 37:18
  It's about an hour probably from Great Falls, Mt.
• 37:22
  We went up there. My buddy Ben hooked it up.
• 37:24
  It was a dude that he met on like a duck hunt trip or
• 37:29
  something like that, The guy offered.
• 37:30
  Hey, you can come stay at my place and get pheasant.
• 37:32
  Pheasant. Property, but he says, yeah,
• 37:34
  there's. A ton of deer up there.
• 37:35
  It's beautiful Cottonwood river bottom.
• 37:38
  Tons of deer. Nobody ever comes up there to
• 37:40
  deer hunt, so you guys have to come up.
• 37:42
  So we agreed, you know, that hey, we'll pay the guy to stay
• 37:45
  at his place or whatever and hunt that land.
• 37:46
  So yeah, we went up there for a rifle hunt last November.
• 37:51
  And the way it started off, as we we drove up there on like
• 37:55
  Sunday morning for a Monday morning opener.
• 37:58
  And on Sunday we went to the neighbor's ranch.
• 38:00
  We met this neighbor. That Ben's great.
• 38:02
  He always. Becomes best friends with
• 38:04
  people. So the neighbor, he met him guy
• 38:07
  was great. Said yeah, I got some coolies
• 38:09
  behind my property. You should come hunt these
• 38:10
  coolies. There's deer and all the time
• 38:12
  you guys are welcome to it. It's like, oh sweet.
• 38:14
  So then we went to the House of the guy that we were staying
• 38:17
  with and he was like, hey, I got to get going but let me give you
• 38:21
  like the low down on the place. And so he goes, hey, if you're
• 38:23
  going to use the dryer make sure you take.
• 38:25
  I clogged my dryer vent. So make sure you unplug them if
• 38:28
  you got to use the head or bathroom.
• 38:30
  Down in the basement. I probably wouldn't, you know,
• 38:32
  use that one. It doesn't flush so good.
• 38:34
  And Oh yeah, there's been a grizzly bear trying to get my
• 38:36
  wheat silos up here, so just, you know, it's a small one.
• 38:40
  But he probably still ruined your day.
• 38:41
  So anyway, I'm not here high like I see you.
• 38:44
  Did he say I heard the dryer and the shitter?
• 38:47
  But I did he say grizzly? Because this area of Montana is
• 38:52
  like the. The it's like the winter wheat
• 38:55
  capital of the US It's it's all wheat fields.
• 38:59
  When I think grizzly, I think Hamilton, I think of the
• 39:04
  Bitterroot, I think of dark timber and that's why, you know,
• 39:09
  that's what I think. I didn't think grizzly bear
• 39:11
  wheat. Field didn't make any sense
• 39:13
  different. So yeah, so anyway, the 1st
• 39:15
  morning that you know, the guys were like, OK, where are you
• 39:17
  going to go? We all had our own trucks, so
• 39:19
  we're all going to split up and hunt.
• 39:21
  Which is probably stupid because the dude just mentioned grizzly
• 39:23
  bears, but it was kind of so nonchalant that we didn't really
• 39:27
  track it. And so I said, well, I'm going
• 39:30
  to go hunt the neighbors and those coolies he was talking
• 39:32
  about. So get up in the morning, you
• 39:34
  know, at dark. Of course, we're hunting white
• 39:36
  tailed mule deer. So I get up, I take off, I drive
• 39:39
  about 15 minutes to get to this guy's ranch.
• 39:42
  I go through a couple of horse gates, and then I I get out into
• 39:46
  these coolies. And it was 10 degrees.
• 39:50
  Whipping sleet. You know, sideways snowstorm.
• 39:54
  And I'm from Vermont, so I've been there.
• 39:55
  So anyway, I get into the coolie and I just sit down on the
• 39:58
  Leeward side of this little hill.
• 39:59
  I'm a little bit protected from the wind.
• 40:03
  So I'm sitting, but it's cold and I just sit in the snow and I
• 40:07
  get all set up and I sit and I start glassing.
• 40:09
  I'm not glassing. 10 minutes and I see the second hill over.
• 40:14
  I see a big rack buck feeding on the hillside.
• 40:17
  My holy crap, it's already happening.
• 40:20
  So I pack up my stuff, I go down into this deep coulee, come up
• 40:24
  to the top, and I'm creeping up over the top of this coulee
• 40:27
  because I'm figuring it's going to be right there.
• 40:29
  Now when I break the top of this hillside, I see that that bucket
• 40:33
  bedded, and now he's bedded towards me and I range him.
• 40:36
  I think he's around 260 or something like that, 260 yards
• 40:39
  away. So I get my I got a bipod on my
• 40:43
  rifle, so I get set up for like a sitting shot and it's cold,
• 40:48
  you know, and I'm. I'm shivering.
• 40:50
  Yeah, my hands are getting, my hands were hurting, but
• 40:52
  everything else was cool. So I'm waiting for him because
• 40:55
  I'm not going to shoot him bedded towards me.
• 40:56
  He's like quartering to me bedded.
• 40:58
  So I'm like, I'm just going to wait for him.
• 40:59
  So I'm just going to sit here and wait.
• 41:01
  So I just happened to look down in the coulee and I see another
• 41:03
  buck. I see a doe on her feet in like
• 41:06
  these tall grass, but it's all white, snow covered.
• 41:09
  But there's tall grass down there.
• 41:11
  I see. I see a doe, and then I see a a
• 41:14
  big buck bedded right next to her, about 10 feet from her, but
• 41:19
  he's broke off on one side. And I'm not a horn hunter, but I
• 41:22
  did want to have a nice rack buck, so I'm looking at him on
• 41:26
  the side. It probably won't shoot him.
• 41:27
  I'll still wait for this bigger buck.
• 41:29
  And then I look to my right and I see another buck just bouncing
• 41:32
  up through the coolies. Sounds like a holy.
• 41:35
  Crap. Yeah, I'm not there 30 minutes
• 41:38
  and I already got 3 shooter bucks.
• 41:41
  But anyway, this guy's bouncing up and he's a younger buck but
• 41:43
  he's got a decent rack on him. He's biggest buck I've killed.
• 41:47
  But I like, I'm a meat hunter so I judge him on how delicious
• 41:53
  he's younger you know tight flat belly.
• 41:56
  But he's cruising up through and I just move my I just move my
• 41:59
  whole rifle over to him. He'll he'll work just fine.
• 42:02
  And so I watch him. I can't remember if he was like
• 42:06
  200 yards I think and but he ended up stopping right in the
• 42:10
  middle of a snowy area with no grass around him.
• 42:13
  So it was just a perfect, perfect shot opportunity.
• 42:16
  And I popped him with my three O 8 and he ran about 20 yards and
• 42:20
  flopped in the snow. So I'm like, holy first morning,
• 42:24
  opening morning. And now I in the back of my
• 42:26
  mind, I know I've got to drive all the way back to San Diego.
• 42:28
  So I like to shoot. I like to tag out early, get my
• 42:31
  meat to the meat cutter so I know it's frozen solid for my
• 42:34
  road or my flight home if I'm, you know, across the country or
• 42:37
  whatever. So I'm stoked I dropped this
• 42:40
  buck like, holy crap, I'm already tagged out.
• 42:43
  This is beautiful. I pack my stuff.
• 42:46
  This is where I like a credit growing up in Vermont to making
• 42:50
  these two decisions I made. I looked at the steepness of
• 42:54
  this hill and I, you know, from being a Vermonter, I'm like,
• 42:57
  well this is too steep and we slipped and slide So and then I
• 43:01
  look to my right and I see a tractor path going across the
• 43:03
  bottom of the coolie. So I'm like, OK, cool tractor
• 43:05
  path. I'll go use the tractor path.
• 43:07
  I don't think most San Diego's would pick off a tractor path.
• 43:10
  Being a Vermonter, I OK, so I go down the Ridge of this hill I'm
• 43:15
  on and I get on the tractor path.
• 43:17
  Well, now I'm on this tractor path, which is probably elevated
• 43:20
  about 15 feet up above the Coulee.
• 43:23
  It looked like there's probably a pond or something down here,
• 43:26
  dried up. But when I'm now on this tractor
• 43:29
  path, I'm looking up basically into a box Canyon and the wind
• 43:34
  is whipping to my back now. But I see something in front of
• 43:39
  me about 30 yards away. And I thought it was a boulder
• 43:44
  because it would it look, it was Gray and black and even had like
• 43:49
  almost look like a little burgundy.
• 43:50
  That's what look like minerals off a Burt off a boulder.
• 43:53
  But as a firefighter and as a captain, when I used to train
• 43:56
  new firefighters, I always just tell him if you see something
• 43:59
  off, trust your gut instinct. So I've said that 100 * 2
• 44:04
  different probies. So I'm like, OK, something
• 44:06
  doesn't look right. There's no other boulders around
• 44:09
  here. Everything is snow covered
• 44:12
  except that boulder. So I'm looking at this bowl and
• 44:16
  I just had a Lasik surgery. So my vision out that far is a
• 44:19
  little fuzzy, but I don't know if I saw hair bristle.
• 44:23
  But for some reason, and I just thought, what if what if that's
• 44:29
  a bear, You know, so literally at like a normal room voice, I
• 44:35
  went, hey bear. And I I don't know if at that
• 44:39
  moment that bear got my wind because the wind was whipping to
• 44:43
  my back. Towards it.
• 44:45
  But at that moment, that boulder stood up and bolted away from
• 44:51
  me. And it takes about a fraction of
• 44:54
  a second to recognize that it's a grizzly bear, not a black
• 44:57
  bear. So it's literally as soon as he
• 45:00
  busted. I had the worst sense of fear
• 45:05
  I've ever had my whole life, because I'm alone in a Canyon
• 45:09
  with a grizzly bear and a dead deer about 60 yards away from
• 45:13
  us. And so I'm horrified and I'm
• 45:18
  angry. I'm.
• 45:19
  I was mad at myself. That was my second feeling or
• 45:22
  emotion. I was #1.
• 45:23
  I was scared to death. Worst fear I ever had.
• 45:25
  Because alone in a Canyon with a with a grizzly bear, but luckily
• 45:29
  he was just tractor in through the snow.
• 45:31
  He was. He was flying.
• 45:32
  He was sprinting away from me, hauling ass through the grass
• 45:36
  and just, you know, the powder of the snow busting in through
• 45:38
  the grass and you know, for a split second, the idiot.
• 45:44
  In me popped out because I started reaching for my phone
• 45:47
  like I was going to take a video and then running away.
• 45:50
  And then the smart guy in me went, hey, you're not out of
• 45:54
  danger. So I got into fight mode and I
• 45:59
  was like thinking of like what's my game plan?
• 46:01
  Because I had a pistol in my hand warmer right in front of
• 46:05
  me, but I had a three O 8 with a route with a round rat.
• 46:09
  But anyway, the grizzly went about, I don't know, 60 yards or
• 46:12
  so. And then he turned left and he
• 46:14
  started to go up the hill that I had shot the buck from.
• 46:17
  So when he went up the hill, he didn't go up the hill very high,
• 46:21
  but he went up the hill a little ways.
• 46:23
  He was probably 80 or 90 yards away from me.
• 46:26
  But this is where it got really bad was because at that moment
• 46:30
  when he ran up the hill, he stopped running and he started
• 46:33
  walking. And then he stopped and he
• 46:36
  turned around. He didn't just cock his head
• 46:38
  around, he had to take a few steps to turn his entire body
• 46:42
  around. Now he's facing me and he's
• 46:44
  uphill from me at this angle. Uncomfortably close, yeah.
• 46:48
  And staring me down and trying to probably identify what he
• 46:52
  just smelled. So now we're staring at each
• 46:56
  other for probably four or five seconds and I'm scared to death,
• 47:02
  you know, literally, I'm alone. This is terrible.
• 47:06
  But when he stopped and stared at me, I kind of spoke loudly.
• 47:11
  And I went, no, no, don't do that, don't do that.
• 47:14
  And he kept staring at me. And then literally, I'm
• 47:17
  thinking, what do I do? You know, what can I do?
• 47:20
  And I got like Randy Newberg's voice in my head or all the
• 47:24
  people that I idolize or or at least watch on TV and I hear
• 47:28
  them all the time, watch podcasts or whatever.
• 47:30
  All they're like, what do you do?
• 47:32
  In this instance with a bear, the only thing that I had in my
• 47:36
  head was get big and make noise. So I that's the only thing I can
• 47:40
  do. But I'm holding the three O 8 my
• 47:42
  right hand. So I I just throw my left arm
• 47:45
  over my head and I and I wave in the air and I just go and the
• 47:50
  bear does like, oh, shit face. And he turns and he takes off up
• 47:54
  and out of the Canyon. And I'm like, Oh my God, thank
• 47:57
  God, you know. So as he takes off, I'm like,
• 48:00
  I'm out of here and I start to run.
• 48:02
  And then I wait, don't run, don't run, don't run.
• 48:05
  Because another thing I've learned, like I've been taught
• 48:07
  is that if you run, it could trigger their chase instincts.
• 48:10
  So I'm like, go here, don't run, just walk.
• 48:13
  Stay calm. I kept my eyes on them, but now
• 48:15
  with the snowstorm, he's starting to, I'm starting to
• 48:19
  kind of lose him and he's getting it's like a box Canyon,
• 48:22
  but he's starting to leave the Canyon.
• 48:24
  Those two big bucks I had saw earlier too.
• 48:26
  They're bounding up the hillside away from the grizzly.
• 48:29
  So as he's going, I just. Start.
• 48:31
  I keep walking, but I'm watching him and now I pass the Ridge
• 48:35
  that I came down on. So now I literally, I lose sight
• 48:38
  of this grizzly bear. And now I got to go straight
• 48:41
  uphill in deep snow for about 500 yards to get to the horse
• 48:46
  pastures, just to get through those to get to my truck.
• 48:49
  So I'm, I'm cranking up this hill and I'm pounding up this
• 48:53
  hill and I'm thanking myself for the hiking I do, you know, So
• 48:57
  I'm like, thank God I'm fit, is what I'm thinking.
• 49:00
  So I'm just charging up this hill and I go probably 30 yards
• 49:03
  and I would stop, check my six, you know, turn around.
• 49:07
  I'm looking. And I think at that moment too,
• 49:09
  I got like this sense of relief a little bit.
• 49:11
  So I kind of hit my knees. I pulled my mag out, had spare
• 49:15
  bullets. I taught my mag off.
• 49:17
  I literally worked my bolt to make sure my bolt wasn't frozen
• 49:20
  or anything. So I was in the zone.
• 49:22
  I was like, still on defense. I'm still in like fight mode.
• 49:25
  And so I like literally checked my weapon, top my mag off.
• 49:28
  I'm like ready to go. And I just kept motoring up the
• 49:31
  hill, kept stopping every few seconds to check around for the
• 49:34
  bear in case he was circling around me or whatever.
• 49:37
  And I just, I got to the horse passion.
• 49:39
  Now I got to pass through two horse gates like a little screw
• 49:43
  in the thing I. Got to take this puzzle to get
• 49:48
  through the thing, open the thing, lower the gate and get
• 49:51
  through. I got to do that twice.
• 49:53
  So eventually I get to my truck. No grizzly bear.
• 49:56
  I get to my truck. I get in my truck, and I'm
• 49:59
  finally like, Oh my God, I'm. Safe.
• 50:01
  And I throw my shit off and throw it on the seat and I'm
• 50:03
  like, OK, my God, I can't believe it.
• 50:05
  Like I'm I'm angry with myself putting myself in that
• 50:08
  situation. Plus the funny part is last.
• 50:11
  But the year before I had bought a 44 pistol for bear protection
• 50:17
  and in all the logistics of this hunt because I I before I went
• 50:21
  on this hunt I took my son hunting in Utah.
• 50:24
  And so I had a lot of logistics. So for some reason I left that
• 50:27
  44 in my gun safe in San Diego. So I only had my 40 Cal that I
• 50:32
  carry like when I go on road trips.
• 50:35
  So I'm thinking, you know, what a fool.
• 50:36
  So anyway, I get in my truck, I drive back to the to the house
• 50:41
  that we're staying at. And I think, OK, well, I'm just
• 50:43
  going to go back to camp. It's only 7:30 in the morning at
• 50:46
  this point. I'm going to go back to camp.
• 50:47
  I'll wait for the guys to get back from there, honey.
• 50:50
  And as soon as we all get together, we'll all go back and
• 50:52
  we'll get my dear. Well, when I get back to the
• 50:55
  house, I drive in the driveway and I count 123 pickups like.
• 51:00
  What the hell? Never.
• 51:02
  Left. Did everybody tag out already?
• 51:05
  So I I go in the house and one of my buddies was like, hey, did
• 51:08
  you get one? I'm like, I'll be in in a
• 51:11
  second. I'll tell you the story.
• 51:13
  Well, I walk in the house, these dudes are down in the basement
• 51:17
  shooting pool in their camo. They're shooting pool.
• 51:21
  I I walked in like. What the hell are you guys?
• 51:25
  Doing what are you doing? And they're like.
• 51:29
  Oh dude, it's. The storm and visibility.
• 51:31
  And sideways wind. And I'm like, yeah, I know I
• 51:34
  was. Just in it.
• 51:36
  You guys were like, why? What?
• 51:37
  Did you get one? I go dude, I got a buck on the
• 51:40
  ground and I bumped a grizzly bear at about 30 yards, like.
• 51:44
  No shit, No way, I said. Yeah, get your stuff on.
• 51:48
  We got to go get my buck. So we took two trucks and we
• 51:51
  went back. My buddy Dennis's father was
• 51:54
  like a Green Beret in Vietnam, sniper, whatever.
• 51:57
  So we had Dennis senior up on the top of the hill with his
• 52:01
  rifle doing bear watch. And we got down to the buck and
• 52:06
  you know, gutted the buck out and then dragged it out of there
• 52:09
  and got it, got recovered the deer.
• 52:10
  But man, I said after that I said that's it, man, we are not
• 52:14
  hunting solo anymore. We're hunting in pairs from now
• 52:17
  on because crazy. It was crazy.
• 52:19
  Like I said, we country. I had no idea your your.
• 52:24
  I expected it to be in your. Situation awareness is down a
• 52:26
  little bit, yeah. So a lot of lot of lessons
• 52:29
  learned and some good takeaways from that, you know.
• 52:32
  What was like, you know, maybe the main if you can give a top
• 52:36
  three takeaways, you learned that you could pass on to, you
• 52:39
  know, a hunter listening. What would those be, would you
• 52:42
  say? So the number one take away, in
• 52:45
  my opinion from my experience was do your homework and know
• 52:51
  when my buddy told me, hey, we're going hunting in Montana,
• 52:53
  It's in, you know, it's an hour West of Great Falls.
• 52:58
  Number one, I should have, I should have taken the time to
• 53:00
  look at that area and find out is that grizzly country, you
• 53:05
  know, because sound like fool. But of course it is.
• 53:08
  You know, this is Montana, this is the grizzly state.
• 53:12
  So yeah, there's, you know, take your time to research the area
• 53:16
  that you're going. And even if you're going to
• 53:17
  Utah, are there cats there? Are there bears there?
• 53:21
  Like when the first time we went up to the Utah spot, we haunted.
• 53:23
  We saw a game ward. We asked him, you know, do we
• 53:25
  need to carry a bear spray or pistol wherever he goes?
• 53:28
  I've been up here 25 years. I've never seen a bear up here.
• 53:30
  Like, OK, cool. But I should have done my
• 53:32
  research. That's number one.
• 53:34
  Number two is when you get that information and you know that
• 53:37
  there you're in bear country, be prepared.
• 53:41
  We were at Shields days before walking around and I even saw an
• 53:45
  end display of bear spray and I'm like that I'm good.
• 53:50
  I didn't because I didn't do my research.
• 53:52
  I didn't know I was in bear country or grizzly country, so I
• 53:55
  didn't even buy bear spray, which you know I should have
• 53:59
  had. So have a plan if you know if
• 54:02
  you're going to pack some self protection, whether it's a
• 54:05
  pistol or bear spray, have it have it on you.
• 54:10
  And then practice. Practice, whatever your plan is,
• 54:12
  I do it with firefighters all the time, like bailing out of
• 54:15
  the structure. Like I'd say, hey, what's your
• 54:16
  plan? I want to do a body wrap in my
• 54:18
  rope bag. OK, cool.
• 54:19
  Let's go. Practice your plan.
• 54:21
  Get good at your plan. Same thing applies to that was
• 54:24
  if my plan was to buy a 44, pack a 44.
• 54:29
  OK. Is your gear set up right?
• 54:32
  Do you have a accessible spot to put your weapon?
• 54:36
  Have you practice pulling the weapon out?
• 54:38
  Have you practice firing the weapon?
• 54:40
  Do you have the right ammunition for your weapon?
• 54:43
  Because if I'd have gone on that, I mean we were even
• 54:46
  looking at 230 grand Buffalo Bore ammo at this other store
• 54:50
  that I was like, Oh yeah, this would be perfect for, you know,
• 54:53
  my pistol, which I didn't bring, you know, So practice your plan.
• 54:58
  And then I guess the other take away really is, you know, when
• 55:04
  that gentleman at the house that we were staying at told us that,
• 55:07
  you know, we had a, you know, I got a grizzly bear in my thing
• 55:10
  right then I shouldn't have. We shouldn't have treated that
• 55:13
  like it was just a a passing little joke.
• 55:15
  We should. Have like, like, same
• 55:16
  equivalents as the toilet and the dryer.
• 55:18
  Exactly. We should have said.
• 55:20
  Well, hang on, hang on. This dude's saying there's
• 55:21
  grizzly bears around here. Yeah, we should probably hunt
• 55:24
  pears. This is change.
• 55:26
  Change your yeah, your tax. Those are the big ones.
• 55:28
  You know what's funny is a couple days later because I I
• 55:31
  was pretty, you know, I'll say it, I was like traumatized from
• 55:34
  that experience. But I kept hunting.
• 55:37
  But still I couldn't. I kept rerunning that.
• 55:40
  Situation, every little twitch, every little thing is now a
• 55:42
  grizzly. And yeah, and you're now like,
• 55:45
  you know, you're thinking about it.
• 55:46
  Even going out. I'm going to go out to my truck
• 55:48
  like well. Yeah, you know, be on alert
• 55:53
  because the guy said that the bear was right around his place.
• 55:56
  So when we when we went there and he told us that, we should
• 56:05
  have said, hey, look, we're hunting in pairs, You know the
• 56:08
  guy mentioned it, Let's hunt in pairs.
• 56:09
  This is foolish. Yeah, the time to come up with
• 56:11
  your plan is not, Yeah, in the stress of the situation.
• 56:14
  Because to me, like I love to hunt and I love to get my own
• 56:18
  meat and not, you know, that's wonderful.
• 56:20
  But I'm not, you know, I don't want to put myself in that kind
• 56:24
  of a situation where I'm going to get tore up or worse.
• 56:27
  Just to go hunt. Yeah, right.
• 56:29
  And oh, I was, I'm sorry, I got off track.
• 56:31
  I was going to tell you that about practicing your plan.
• 56:34
  I had packed my 40 Cal pistol in my hand warmer because I like I
• 56:38
  have one of these camo hand warmers that I strap on like a
• 56:40
  quarterback has. Yeah, So I use lightweight
• 56:44
  liners like sip gloves because I I have a hand warmer and I keep.
• 56:48
  I keep little little heat hand hot.
• 56:51
  Hands. Hot hands, My favorite.
• 56:52
  Those in there, so I squeeze those or whatever.
• 56:54
  But I had put my pistol in there.
• 56:56
  So anyway, it's a couple days later and I'm still thinking
• 56:58
  about this. I thought, I'm standing at this
• 57:01
  house alone, nobody's around. I thought, you know what, I
• 57:04
  wonder how quickly I could even get that pistol out and get a
• 57:06
  shot off. So I said, yeah, well shit, why
• 57:09
  not? So I said go, and it took me a
• 57:13
  few seconds to get in there and pull the pistol out.
• 57:16
  And then I wrapped around. I just aimed at like in this
• 57:19
  little field and I click. Oh shit, what the hell?
• 57:25
  I had that magazine takes 10 rounds and I knew that that
• 57:29
  magazine didn't like 10 rounds, 9 rounds, because when I put 10
• 57:33
  rounds in there, this tension on that mag kicks it out a smidge.
• 57:37
  And I I know you're supposed to smack and rack.
• 57:40
  Well, I didn't. I pulled it out and I racked and
• 57:42
  I clicked and I was. Now I'm equally horrified that
• 57:47
  if I, I mean I was going to fight with the three O 8.
• 57:50
  That was my plan. But if I had to pull my pistol
• 57:53
  out? And that was the result that
• 57:55
  would that could have been lights out.
• 57:57
  So I then I I got angry. So I smacked and racked and pow.
• 58:02
  It went on. So that just proved like, even
• 58:06
  though I thought I had a game plan, you had better practice
• 58:09
  your game plan. Because you'll go back under
• 58:12
  stress. You'll go back to it, yeah, if
• 58:14
  it's practiced enough. Exactly.
• 58:16
  Just like archery. But if it's not, if it's not
• 58:17
  practiced, it's going to be chaos.
• 58:19
  And I was, I was under, you know, under that weapon was too
• 58:26
  small, 40 Cal. I mean, I don't know of any bear
• 58:29
  gun research that I've ever done that suggests you take a 40 Cal.
• 58:34
  I could be wrong, but I know like a 10 millimeter or a 44 is
• 58:37
  like minimum maybe a 357. But so yeah, do your research
• 58:43
  because it was not a good feeling.
• 58:44
  I I was thinking about my wife and kids and even call my wife.
• 58:48
  Hey, I got to tell you I had to go.
• 58:49
  Chuck, you got to you got to carry a gun in the video I had.
• 58:54
  To do it 40, But she's like, what about your 44?
• 58:57
  I'm like, yeah, it's at home in the gun safe.
• 58:59
  She got angry. I bet she was that, yeah.
• 59:02
  And so, yeah, that was the big takeaways.
• 59:05
  Yeah, you know, grizzly country is is different.
• 59:08
  Like I said, I've only haunted at one time.
• 59:09
  But when we one day we're hiking up, we knew they were there.
• 59:14
  So we we had done the research and went carrying bear spray in
• 59:18
  our bows. And like I said, we're going
• 59:22
  super deep. There's very fresh snow this
• 59:25
  day. It's like actively snowing.
• 59:26
  It's probably that deep. We get way out pretty much to
• 59:31
  the furthest point that we're going to like hunt a loop back.
• 59:35
  And we came across fresh grizzly tracks in the snow.
• 59:38
  And it was a weird feeling. It really was.
• 59:40
  And they they they were so big that.
• 59:43
  And my dad has size 14 boots and they fit inside of the track,
• 59:47
  you know, And we're like at that point, just like you know,
• 59:51
  because you know, these tracks are within the last hour for
• 59:54
  sure. So check this out a couple of
• 59:56
  days after my experience, the 1st morning was probably like
• 1:00:00
  three or four days later we were hunting in pairs.
• 1:00:02
  So my buddy Dennis and I, we roll out, we're going to go hunt
• 1:00:05
  the spot and as we're driving down this road and it's all snow
• 1:00:09
  covered. I see a trail of tracks coming
• 1:00:12
  across. This wheat field onto the road.
• 1:00:15
  And now, so they come across the field, now they're going
• 1:00:17
  straight down the road and I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, what do we got
• 1:00:19
  here? So I put it in park.
• 1:00:21
  We jump out, Look at it. It's grizzly tracks.
• 1:00:24
  That and they were small tracks, maybe the size of my foot, but
• 1:00:28
  that wasn't that bear. That bear was humongous.
• 1:00:31
  This was a so now this is second different bear.
• 1:00:34
  But those tracks were coming out of nowhere, across a giant wheat
• 1:00:37
  field onto the road. And then they went out,
• 1:00:40
  continued out to the wheat field heading right towards the ranch
• 1:00:43
  that we were staying at. So.
• 1:00:46
  Yeah, they were there point. I mean, they were.
• 1:00:48
  There and and no idea. You know, I think the
• 1:00:51
  preparation part's key like for hunting safety, whether that's
• 1:00:55
  for, you know, like you talked about with Scott, knowing some
• 1:00:58
  basic skills on how to not get lost or preventing loss,
• 1:01:01
  learning on X, having a backup GPS, also a compass, things like
• 1:01:04
  this to mitigate any sort of problem.
• 1:01:08
  But when we went bison hunting. Several people told me ahead of
• 1:01:13
  time, hey, you know, it's very possible when you go to shoot a
• 1:01:16
  bison that they're going to charge you afterwards and these
• 1:01:20
  are £2000 animals. So we're like, OK, we need a
• 1:01:23
  plan in case, I mean, we're hunting with a bow, we're going
• 1:01:25
  to be in tight. What are we going to do if they
• 1:01:28
  do charge us? Because if they hit us at a full
• 1:01:30
  Sprint, that's probably a trouble, you know, we're
• 1:01:32
  probably done. So our plan was we did some
• 1:01:36
  research, talked to some people and they said, all right, here's
• 1:01:38
  what you do. It's not fun, but it's the way
• 1:01:41
  to do it. They said you stand there as
• 1:01:43
  long as possible and then the last minute you run out of the
• 1:01:47
  way and the whole herd, well, they can't adjust fast enough
• 1:01:50
  and they should breeze by. So when we're in there and
• 1:01:53
  Taylor shoots the first arrow and it turns and then he shoots
• 1:01:58
  the second one, there's still 30 bison right next to us.
• 1:02:02
  So we were. Like, you know, watching them
• 1:02:04
  and thankfully they all grouped up and ran away.
• 1:02:06
  But we're ready in case they did come towards us to to to get out
• 1:02:11
  of the way and try to plan. It may not have worked, but you
• 1:02:14
  know, we were going to give it a rip.
• 1:02:15
  Thought about it. Yeah.
• 1:02:17
  And to your point, I think that's important.
• 1:02:19
  And you know this year in Utah we did not necessarily do that.
• 1:02:23
  We're hunting one day and not that I I mean, I know there's
• 1:02:26
  cats there, but we were planning to see one the one day we're.
• 1:02:31
  That's The thing is, you're not planning to see him and it's
• 1:02:34
  like, but you need to plan that you could.
• 1:02:36
  And. I felt that you.
• 1:02:39
  Gonna and and the funny part about this scenario is we had
• 1:02:43
  just almost shot this rag horn bull.
• 1:02:45
  It almost worked. I almost shot him.
• 1:02:47
  Then she almost shot him and didn't work for me.
• 1:02:49
  We almost got an opportunity and it wasn't more than.
• 1:02:52
  Blood's already pumping. We're excited, you know, amped
• 1:02:55
  up because we just were 30 yards.
• 1:02:56
  It was bull. And then, you know, we're
• 1:02:59
  working this kind of, like I said, an old logging Rd. type
• 1:03:02
  thing, but it's covered with dead fall and branches and come
• 1:03:06
  around this corner and she's about 3 yards behind me.
• 1:03:11
  And I come around and there's this big, like pine probably
• 1:03:15
  that was down across this road. So I like, look at the pine and
• 1:03:20
  then my eyes just like gradually go up, and I mean right on the
• 1:03:24
  same trail as me walking towards me 20 yards.
• 1:03:28
  Big ass cat head. You know just like this looking
• 1:03:31
  at me you know 20 yards 20 they are alive you know it's it's
• 1:03:38
  probably you know 150 pound cat. So I do what any you know, smart
• 1:03:44
  prepared person does. I go for the camera.
• 1:03:47
  You know, while his girlfriend is. 3 yards.
• 1:03:50
  To his right and I go and pull the arrow out of me as soon as
• 1:03:55
  he looks at me and he goes. I immediately reach for the
• 1:04:01
  arrow and get it. She had never.
• 1:04:03
  Seen. He pulls his phone out.
• 1:04:05
  And I. No, not my phone.
• 1:04:06
  I went for that. I'm sorry for the camera, yeah.
• 1:04:09
  And yeah. I was kind of bummed because,
• 1:04:13
  well, here's the thing so I've seen.
• 1:04:17
  Probably 8 mountain lions in the wild, which is more than most
• 1:04:20
  people. They're very rare to see.
• 1:04:21
  So I've been blessed to see quite a few in the wild.
• 1:04:24
  But this was very close and also we're facing each other on, you
• 1:04:29
  know, this way. But it was really interesting.
• 1:04:32
  It was like a little bit different than the feeling you
• 1:04:34
  had with the bear. Granite bears.
• 1:04:36
  I think generally we're gonna be more aggressive than a cat, but
• 1:04:40
  I had this weird moment where I was like.
• 1:04:44
  I've had it a few times in my hunting career where I felt this
• 1:04:46
  weird connection with the animal.
• 1:04:48
  I was looking at him and he's looking at me for 30 for like 30
• 1:04:54
  seconds before she caught up with me and this cat, or just
• 1:04:56
  looking at each other, dead in the eye.
• 1:04:58
  And I was. I had this weird feeling.
• 1:05:00
  I was like, I just feel like he's looking at me like, holy
• 1:05:04
  shit, that's a human and I'm looking at him going holy shit,
• 1:05:07
  that's a cat. But I felt like there was a
• 1:05:09
  weird appreciation. And then as soon as I went for
• 1:05:12
  the camera, he turned and ran. So I got her, I got her, I got
• 1:05:17
  her leaving. But I would have loved to get
• 1:05:20
  the footage of it just standing there like this head was the
• 1:05:23
  size of a basketball, see. Which is why it was so funny and
• 1:05:26
  foolish of me to even think for a split.
• 1:05:28
  Set to go for the for my phone to shoot a video of this.
• 1:05:31
  Grizzly Yeah, I probably shouldn't have done that, but.
• 1:05:34
  You know. And then and then the crazy part
• 1:05:37
  is here's the the wildest part. The cat runs away down the down
• 1:05:43
  the the logging road, and I watch it go out of sight and I
• 1:05:50
  go, all right, Brianna, here's the deal.
• 1:05:52
  That cat went the exact direction we have to go.
• 1:05:54
  It's also the direction we're going to hunt, but it's also how
• 1:05:57
  we get home more a long ways from camp.
• 1:05:59
  So we're going to follow exactly where that cat went.
• 1:06:01
  He went out of sight, right there.
• 1:06:03
  So we got to be pretty careful because when we get.
• 1:06:05
  There all the things that you just told us not to.
• 1:06:07
  No, no. But I see.
• 1:06:08
  But no see, I had. I had a plan though.
• 1:06:10
  I said we're going to follow him, but when we get there, be
• 1:06:12
  very alert for any sort of movement and we're going, going
• 1:06:19
  now, we're like, right where I last saw him.
• 1:06:21
  And all of a sudden, I mean, like, for me to 3 yards away, I
• 1:06:25
  see some flinch in the bushes and I go, oh boy, this is this
• 1:06:28
  could be pretty bad. I'm thinking it's the cat ends
• 1:06:31
  up being a porcupine. Nice.
• 1:06:33
  Yeah, and then as soon as. So now we're scared, 'cause we
• 1:06:37
  just saw the little bowl, then the cat, then the pork pine.
• 1:06:41
  So then it just got better. Though because we stopped,
• 1:06:43
  obviously. I mean, I've never seen a pork
• 1:06:45
  pine before, so I did think it was super cool.
• 1:06:47
  So obviously I want to look at it, but he.
• 1:06:50
  Wants to such as to get the footage.
• 1:06:51
  So he's like all right I'm going to film this porcupine real
• 1:06:54
  quick. You just keep scanning.
• 1:06:56
  I'm like OK yeah. So me the the average hunter
• 1:06:59
  with the slow bow and you know not good eyeballs and you over
• 1:07:03
  there with the eagle eyes are going to film the porcupine
• 1:07:06
  while I look for the. 100. And. 50 Pack Yeah, it was just
• 1:07:09
  not a good scenario to be in, so we didn't make it while he's
• 1:07:12
  filming the Porcupine 3 grouse. Flew out of the tree, probably
• 1:07:17
  like 50 yards. Super loud.
• 1:07:19
  They're so loud. Lynching in.
• 1:07:20
  It's at this point it was like 73745 so it's it's already dust
• 1:07:26
  sunset and so the after those grass went off I just I looked
• 1:07:31
  up as like I do not want to be here when it's dark and he's
• 1:07:34
  like he was it'll be OK oh. My God, you got no.
• 1:07:39
  Choice. I didn't make it.
• 1:07:40
  More than 100 yards after that. No joke.
• 1:07:43
  I. We.
• 1:07:45
  We unfortunately this was just not the best route we ended up
• 1:07:48
  taking. But we're kind of like working
• 1:07:49
  this ledge and it was one that been run down by a lot of these
• 1:07:53
  underground little rivers that creeks that pop out.
• 1:07:56
  And so yeah, there's deadfall across it, down it.
• 1:07:59
  So you're like climbing over a log down a finger, up a finger,
• 1:08:03
  down finger up a finger. So we get to the first one and
• 1:08:07
  he stops to take my bow so I could climb over this tree.
• 1:08:10
  And as he takes the bow, I just said, you go that way, I got to
• 1:08:14
  go this way. I was like.
• 1:08:15
  I got shit. It literally scared the actual
• 1:08:18
  shit out of me. After four straight attempts of
• 1:08:22
  like the raghorn, the Mountain Lion, the porcupine and then the
• 1:08:27
  grouse, my body had had it with anxiety.
• 1:08:30
  I was done. I was like, I felt like under
• 1:08:35
  prepared after that. That last feeling for me didn't
• 1:08:38
  set in for a day or two. But that night, that first night
• 1:08:43
  in camp, I didn't sleep good. I was think I was rerunning that
• 1:08:47
  thing through my head the whole time, you know?
• 1:08:49
  But I was impressed when, when I did encounter that grizzly bear,
• 1:08:52
  at least I didn't shit myself. I didn't shake.
• 1:08:56
  I literally had that fear for about 3 seconds.
• 1:09:00
  But then I immediately went into fight mode and I had like my
• 1:09:03
  clear plan. I'm going to.
• 1:09:04
  I had my gun ready. I'm going to get back, sit on my
• 1:09:08
  back heel. I'm going to aim right for the
• 1:09:09
  face. I'm going to because I know I
• 1:09:12
  got to be deliberate with that both action.
• 1:09:14
  I'm going to rack a second round and try to get a second shot,
• 1:09:17
  you know, so at least thinking clearly.
• 1:09:19
  Yeah, that's why I'm proud that I at least drew the arrow.
• 1:09:22
  Not the. Phone.
• 1:09:23
  That's a good move. Yeah, you know.
• 1:09:25
  And it's like all you got. I'm going for the Sony, she
• 1:09:28
  grabbing the arrow. Too right.
• 1:09:29
  I was like, you know, I'm not. Going to have time to range, but
• 1:09:32
  if it starts running, I'm just going to put an arrow at it, you
• 1:09:34
  know, and let it go. That's all you can.
• 1:09:37
  It's the only weapon you got on, yeah.
• 1:09:38
  This is a good conversation, I think, because.
• 1:09:41
  One thing I've learned hunting for so long, especially in
• 1:09:44
  rugged country, is is hunting is just it.
• 1:09:49
  Any outdoor activity, not even just hunting, is inherently has
• 1:09:53
  some danger, some risk. Whether you're rock climbing or
• 1:09:56
  mountain biking or dirt biking or hiking like anything, could
• 1:10:01
  have its risks. And hunting the two closest
• 1:10:04
  times I ever got to getting my my time card?
• 1:10:07
  Punched out? Hunting.
• 1:10:09
  Both times I I almost got struck by lightning twice and that is a
• 1:10:14
  wild experience, so. There's no prep for that.
• 1:10:17
  Yeah. How you going to prep for that?
• 1:10:18
  Situational awareness or or you know, not being exposed by
• 1:10:22
  storms rolling. Well, you could just be quick.
• 1:10:24
  And The thing is, like a lot of guys will like not hunt or go.
• 1:10:29
  They won't hunt if there's rain or storm and I just am not that
• 1:10:32
  way I'm going to be out there. So the the first time, as my dad
• 1:10:36
  and I hunting together, Storm rolled in.
• 1:10:39
  We're hiking up this hill and it's a wild feeling because
• 1:10:44
  we're walking and then all of a sudden it's like the loudest
• 1:10:47
  flash bang you've ever heard, but you your body automatically
• 1:10:52
  reacts. We both of us were like like
• 1:10:54
  this, just without even thinking, and we're like that
• 1:10:58
  sucker had to be right on us, this lightning bolt.
• 1:11:02
  We walk up the hill another 100 yards.
• 1:11:04
  There's a tree blown up smoking. 100 yards, right.
• 1:11:07
  And then up in Utah, the spot we were at last year.
• 1:11:11
  Couple years later, I'm out by myself.
• 1:11:14
  Storm rolls in. I'm hiking up this steep hill
• 1:11:16
  and I'm at the bottom. Same thing.
• 1:11:19
  Bang, you know, And like, I'm just like, man, imagine if
• 1:11:22
  you're out there and it's 100 yards closer.
• 1:11:25
  But what I learned is, even with that much energy hitting the
• 1:11:30
  ground that close to you. It's very bizarre because your
• 1:11:33
  energy level will be really good and then you have this like
• 1:11:37
  insane spike of adrenaline and you are then you're beat, tired,
• 1:11:42
  beat, tired, and I don't know if that's because the adrenaline.
• 1:11:46
  I also weirdly think it's, I think you do catch some of the
• 1:11:50
  like electricity maybe or something, but you feel
• 1:11:53
  different. It's very odd.
• 1:11:56
  Or you just go into like that fight, you know?
• 1:11:59
  Fight or fight response. And then you're just, you know,
• 1:12:01
  the the rebound of that is just exhaustion.
• 1:12:04
  But look at that. We're talking about hunting and
• 1:12:06
  we've talked about us getting really close to a cat that could
• 1:12:09
  mess up your day super, super quick.
• 1:12:11
  You and a bear. The lightning twice getting
• 1:12:15
  lost. These are several stories.
• 1:12:17
  All that are are really poor situations to be in, and they're
• 1:12:21
  not. Avoidable.
• 1:12:24
  Like if you're going to hunt to them, well, there's no what's.
• 1:12:27
  My first bear experience here, we went in Pagosa Springs, Co up
• 1:12:31
  in the Wimanuchi forest and my buddy Ben were hunting and we
• 1:12:37
  knew that we had seen bears on the drive going up there.
• 1:12:40
  So we knew there was a lot of black bears around there.
• 1:12:42
  But we were hunting one time we got in this area where we
• 1:12:44
  smelled like a rotted animal, like there's a kill around here.
• 1:12:47
  This stinks. It got disgusting and and we
• 1:12:50
  kept going on the same course and as we as we're going further
• 1:12:53
  for just kept getting rancor and rancor.
• 1:12:56
  And then Ben's about 10-8 or 10 yards in front of me and I look
• 1:13:00
  up about 70 yards up this hillside and I see a giant black
• 1:13:04
  bear walking from right to left across the Ridge.
• 1:13:08
  And I say Ben, Ben and he's not he's not hearing me.
• 1:13:12
  So I finally have to go. Ben and he.
• 1:13:14
  Turns and goes. What?
• 1:13:15
  I go look at that massive black bear.
• 1:13:19
  So he went, holy shit, and he came to me.
• 1:13:22
  What do you want to do? Like, what do I want to do?
• 1:13:26
  Even though it's a black bear? I don't know if we should be
• 1:13:29
  less worried about a black bear, but I didn't care.
• 1:13:32
  This was the first kind of kill potentially or Yeah, and it
• 1:13:35
  stunk. So I'm thinking he's got there's
• 1:13:37
  food here for that bear. We're in his kitchen.
• 1:13:41
  We need to get out of here. We're in the wrong house right
• 1:13:44
  now so let's go with that way because yeah, that's probably a
• 1:13:46
  good idea. So we just walked but that night
• 1:13:50
  because we had killed some deer and the cowboy had picked him up
• 1:13:53
  and but we butchered 2 deer in camp and so we had blood on the
• 1:13:59
  ground for where we butchered those deer.
• 1:14:00
  Even though a buddy of mine we had packed up the the deer
• 1:14:04
  carcasses and we put him on a Packer and we walked him at
• 1:14:08
  least a mile and 1/2 from camp to dump them out in the woods.
• 1:14:12
  So we we got rid of the as best we could but there was still
• 1:14:16
  scent of deer and we had all the deer meat bagged up on the
• 1:14:20
  ground next to Kent. That's what it was the the
• 1:14:22
  cowboy was coming the next day at noon to pick up those that
• 1:14:25
  deer meet. And so that night we're laying
• 1:14:28
  in a a wall tent four of us and probably you know middle of the
• 1:14:33
  night 3:00 or whatever and I wake up to I can hear a bear
• 1:14:39
  balance right outside I mean of this canvas wall probably 15
• 1:14:44
  feet from me. So I pop.
• 1:14:45
  About a bet, I. Bear the camp.
• 1:14:48
  Bear the camp. So we all wake up, we all start
• 1:14:50
  shouting, yeah, you got here, you know, and you know, we never
• 1:14:54
  hear the bear again. But still it, you know, even
• 1:14:58
  even a black bear encounter, I respect the hell out of that.
• 1:15:03
  And I just. You know, I just turned and went
• 1:15:05
  the opposite. Direction I've heard, and I
• 1:15:08
  don't know if this is true, but I've actually heard that you're
• 1:15:10
  more likely to get attacked by a black bear.
• 1:15:12
  I don't know if that's because there's more of them, but I've
• 1:15:14
  heard they're more likely to just attack something
• 1:15:16
  recreationally than like a grizzly bear isn't.
• 1:15:19
  They're more like protection based from what I've heard, so I
• 1:15:22
  don't. Know if they're like I've
• 1:15:24
  grabbed a hold on this topic a lot.
• 1:15:26
  Is that true? Well, I don't know if that
• 1:15:28
  necessarily is accurate, but I mean, you could have several
• 1:15:32
  different people, say, several different perspectives or
• 1:15:35
  opinions on it. But I've been told that if you
• 1:15:37
  got attacked by a grizzly bear, for example, your best thing to
• 1:15:41
  do is to lay down and do. Curlers or.
• 1:15:44
  Let it knock you around, hope it doesn't kill you, and once it
• 1:15:48
  feels like it's not threatened, solve the threat.
• 1:15:52
  It might leave you, but I've heard that if you get attacked
• 1:15:57
  by a black bear, you have to fight for your life because a
• 1:16:00
  black bear will intend to eat you and that might be the reason
• 1:16:03
  why it's attacking you. So that's just what I've seen in
• 1:16:06
  my experience in rabbit holing on this topic And and I saw that
• 1:16:10
  video recently of that hiker who was like a rock climber or
• 1:16:13
  something and there's a black bear.
• 1:16:14
  Coming up. It came down from the top and he
• 1:16:18
  he somehow. Moved and.
• 1:16:19
  Fell down the thing, but that thing was persistently coming
• 1:16:22
  after him to get him, and he didn't lay down and curl up.
• 1:16:26
  He fought and fought and fought and eventually the black, black
• 1:16:29
  bear just said, OK, I'm out of here, He took off.
• 1:16:31
  So that's that's what I know. Also that one hunt, that hunter
• 1:16:34
  that got attacked by a grizzly sow, she had two Cubs and he
• 1:16:39
  beat the heck out of them. And then he he curled up.
• 1:16:42
  He had a pistol that he couldn't reach, but he curled up.
• 1:16:45
  She gave him the business and then she left him, joined up
• 1:16:48
  with her Cubs and took off while on the trail that he was leaving
• 1:16:51
  on. He didn't know this, but she was
• 1:16:53
  on another course and they eventually, and so he in just
• 1:16:58
  going back to his truck to get out of the woods, he came upon
• 1:17:01
  the cell the second time and so she did the same thing again.
• 1:17:05
  So she attacked. Him and he did the same thing
• 1:17:08
  that time he curled up again. I think on the 2nd occasion his
• 1:17:12
  pistol got knocked off of his chest holster out of reach but
• 1:17:16
  he curled up. She worked him real bad and it's
• 1:17:19
  an amazing story, Great video that he posted because he
• 1:17:23
  narrated the story on video right after it happened and he
• 1:17:27
  got, he got beat up bad by it. But that's what I've that's what
• 1:17:30
  I've come to learn. You seen the video?
• 1:17:32
  That biker, that mountain biker doing the switchbacks and then
• 1:17:35
  the black bears running down the hill.
• 1:17:38
  Not even worried about the path. It's like charging to the brush.
• 1:17:40
  I'm seeing that chasing just chasing after they got on the
• 1:17:43
  downhill bike. It makes me wonder, like I have
• 1:17:48
  not gone down the rabbit hole, but like being from Florida.
• 1:17:51
  We have an enormous, I mean I would call them a nuisance
• 1:17:55
  whether the state allows you to hunt them or not, a nuisance
• 1:18:00
  number of black bear in the state, but so many.
• 1:18:05
  And it's different because like I just wonder if maybe their
• 1:18:09
  temperament is different like black bear out here in the wood
• 1:18:14
  woods versus black bear in Florida.
• 1:18:17
  Like I almost find them a more just like.
• 1:18:21
  Curious bear. Maybe resources are, yeah.
• 1:18:26
  I almost don't. Picture them being meat eaters
• 1:18:28
  in Florida, like I picture them, but like what we see half the
• 1:18:31
  time. You'll see them all the time
• 1:18:33
  from your tree stand eating berries like that's their number
• 1:18:36
  one food source. And so like I have had them
• 1:18:40
  sitting my tree follow my I'll come off like the Dirt Rd.
• 1:18:44
  Follow a trail into my tree stand.
• 1:18:46
  So I have watched them turn off the road.
• 1:18:49
  Follow my scent all the way down the trail up to the bottom of my
• 1:18:52
  I've luckily never had them do. Like you see the videos climb my
• 1:18:55
  tree, but I've had them come all the way up to the bottom of my
• 1:18:59
  tree, sniff me out and then continue on.
• 1:19:02
  But it's like they just seem when I see them Curious little
• 1:19:07
  bears. Now they're not near as big
• 1:19:08
  black bears as you know you guys probably have out here, but
• 1:19:11
  they're not like. When you see them, they don't
• 1:19:14
  remind you of like, well, I think because they're so
• 1:19:18
  prevalent, there's a complacency with most people, whether
• 1:19:22
  whatever region you're in. You know, I know this is a mass
• 1:19:25
  amount of complacency in the Sierras.
• 1:19:27
  When we went to Colorado in the hotel in Pagosa Springs, they
• 1:19:31
  were telling us, hey, stay inside because there's a there's
• 1:19:33
  a black bear out in the dumpster outside in Vermont.
• 1:19:37
  Like, my mom lived 2 miles out on a dirt road and we used to
• 1:19:39
  hunt this big knob behind her house and there was bear scout
• 1:19:43
  all over the place up there we had a bear getting into her
• 1:19:46
  woodshed to get after her trash. But even though we know there's
• 1:19:49
  a lot of black bears around, we never really, we didn't consider
• 1:19:53
  bear spray or packing a pistol. So I think there's just this,
• 1:19:57
  there's just this knowledge that's passed down about black
• 1:20:00
  bears not being much of A of. A of a safety.
• 1:20:04
  Concern in some regards especially like when you're
• 1:20:07
  hunting. So I mean, I I'm when you
• 1:20:11
  Vermont. New Hampshire, Maine, Northern
• 1:20:13
  New England, those states, there's a lot of black bears in
• 1:20:15
  those States and they're so they're so prevalent.
• 1:20:19
  I guess that like when you buy a hunting license in Vermont, you
• 1:20:22
  get a you get a Turkey tag, a buck tag and a black bear tag on
• 1:20:27
  the same hunt license. So but I've never seen you know
• 1:20:30
  bears in the woods. But my brother at at the farm in
• 1:20:33
  Vermont, he's got. Had a black bear this season.
• 1:20:36
  But you know, even though I never think about like, well, I
• 1:20:39
  better bring some bear defense for a black.
• 1:20:41
  Bear What was that story? Pressure, I think, right?
• 1:20:44
  The guy was drug off his porch. He.
• 1:20:46
  By a black. By a black bear.
• 1:20:47
  Wow. Yeah.
• 1:20:48
  And he was. So he was sitting on his porch
• 1:20:50
  and, you know, impressed. A bit of a timber.
• 1:20:53
  Yeah. And just, you know.
• 1:20:54
  So that seemed like that active hunt.
• 1:20:56
  Yeah. But you, you rifle hunt and and
• 1:20:59
  do archery. Yeah.
• 1:21:00
  You did Rifle first, I'm assuming.
• 1:21:02
  Yeah, I grew up rifle hunting and.
• 1:21:04
  I never, you know, I joined the Navy right after high school.
• 1:21:06
  Then I stayed out in San Diego for college.
• 1:21:08
  And then so I just kind of got away from hunting for a while
• 1:21:13
  until I went back to Vermont and started a career in the fire
• 1:21:15
  service when I was 25. And then the guys that I worked
• 1:21:18
  with haunted. So I started right hunting with
• 1:21:20
  them. But my brother bow haunted.
• 1:21:21
  I didn't buy my first bow until I was in my early 40s.
• 1:21:24
  Oh really? Yeah.
• 1:21:25
  Do you have a preference having done both?
• 1:21:28
  Because you're probably the only one of us that does actively
• 1:21:30
  does both. I got to say I.
• 1:21:32
  I got infatuated with archery. It came at a time when I was
• 1:21:36
  looking. I played ice hockey for like
• 1:21:38
  30-5 years and I was looking to kind of get done with hockey.
• 1:21:41
  I was getting a little older. I was starting to get injuries
• 1:21:44
  that I never used to get when I was younger.
• 1:21:45
  So I was I started thinking about archery.
• 1:21:48
  I finally broke down and bought a compound bow and I started
• 1:21:51
  getting so into archery that it gave me a reason to finally hang
• 1:21:55
  up my skates and stop playing ice hockey.
• 1:21:58
  So for the first. Well, I've only been into it now
• 1:22:01
  for like maybe eight years, but I absolutely love bow hunting.
• 1:22:04
  I'm infatuated like Native American history as well.
• 1:22:08
  There's something primitive about it, even though I'm
• 1:22:09
  hunting with a modern compound bow.
• 1:22:11
  Yeah. There's.
• 1:22:12
  Still the there's still the the the history of archery and bow
• 1:22:18
  hunting with human beings. That's just some primitive
• 1:22:21
  that's exciting. The intimacy of, yeah, that
• 1:22:23
  experience. And then I think, you know,
• 1:22:25
  certainly you can reach out and touch them with a rifle, but.
• 1:22:29
  People, it's funny that people that like, when you tell them
• 1:22:32
  you hunt, they're like, wait, do you gun hunt or do you bow hunt?
• 1:22:34
  Like, why bow hunt? Like, oh, see, I respect that,
• 1:22:37
  but I don't respect gun hunt because gun hunt is too easy.
• 1:22:40
  Just sit back and shoot them from a distance.
• 1:22:43
  Yeah, pick one up and go out and try that.
• 1:22:46
  Yeah. Bring me back, son.
• 1:22:48
  Yeah, and bow hunt can be easy. I shot a deer from camp in my
• 1:22:52
  Grocs once. You know, so you can have.
• 1:22:55
  Almost contacted by Grizzly. Yeah, so yeah.
• 1:22:59
  But I don't necessarily have a preference, honestly.
• 1:23:02
  I like shooting rifles. I like, you know, having a nice
• 1:23:07
  scope. I like.
• 1:23:10
  The main thing I like is the fact that I eat wild game meat
• 1:23:14
  all the time. I've been fortunate.
• 1:23:16
  I haven't literally bought beef in at least five years.
• 1:23:20
  Yeah. And my wife and kids love game
• 1:23:22
  meat. So I'm so grateful that they
• 1:23:25
  love game. That gives me the reason I get
• 1:23:28
  to keep hunting, because I know a lot of guys, especially like
• 1:23:31
  in Vermont, there's a lot of guys whose wives hate venison
• 1:23:34
  and only want to smell it. My wife loves it.
• 1:23:37
  She loves getting me help me deer meat.
• 1:23:40
  And my kids loved it too. So you're not getting a hard
• 1:23:42
  time, Yeah, when you go as a. Matter of fact, my wife, she's
• 1:23:46
  the same way. If I go fishing, you know,
• 1:23:47
  she'll say. I used to go fly fishing a lot
• 1:23:49
  in Vermont and I brought home some native brown trout one time
• 1:23:52
  and. She after she had good native
• 1:23:55
  Vermont fish. She was like, well, every time I
• 1:23:58
  go fly fish, she said don't come back to catch a fish.
• 1:24:00
  So it's the same thing. She wants me to go hunt because
• 1:24:03
  she wants that freezer full of wild game meat.
• 1:24:05
  Sure. Which is unbelievable.
• 1:24:07
  So if it takes a muzzle odor, a rifle, or a bow to get that
• 1:24:11
  accomplished, I'm all in by any means.
• 1:24:14
  Yeah, you're also unique and I think that you have.
• 1:24:17
  Try 4 bows, like a weekend bow, a target bow, a three you know a
• 1:24:22
  three day shoot bow. I have a lot of none of us and I
• 1:24:26
  I only do it because James only has one bow that he shoots for
• 1:24:29
  honey and target. So that's just what I learned to
• 1:24:31
  do. And Brie had the same I think.
• 1:24:32
  Yeah. So you do.
• 1:24:34
  How many bows to actually do you have?
• 1:24:36
  I got 3 bows now, but I shoot. You actively shoot all three?
• 1:24:39
  Yep. And.
• 1:24:40
  Is that a problem or do you think like well between them?
• 1:24:44
  Do you have to learn that one? I only have three bows because
• 1:24:46
  one of the bows my the the brand new bow that I had, I was going
• 1:24:53
  to barder that away to a buddy of mine is going to do some
• 1:24:55
  carpentry for me. So when I we made that deal, I
• 1:24:58
  went out and I bought another boat to replace it because I
• 1:25:01
  know I was going to get rid of it.
• 1:25:02
  And then I bought a verdicts, a Matthew's verdicts, off of eBay
• 1:25:05
  because I was like, you know, I really love that bow and heard
• 1:25:08
  great things about it. So I just wanted to have that as
• 1:25:10
  my backup, though. And then when my uncle passed
• 1:25:13
  away back in Maine, my aunt, I went back for a stream and my
• 1:25:16
  aunt said, hey, you know, your, your papa's bow is hanging in
• 1:25:19
  his garage, you know, do you want to take it?
• 1:25:21
  Just going to sit there. So, so I have his bow and now
• 1:25:24
  that's like one of my goals is to take.
• 1:25:28
  His bow and shoot a deer with his focus still got his aluminum
• 1:25:31
  old Easton aluminum arrows with the broaded that he put on it
• 1:25:35
  and I might one of my goals is to shoot a deer with his bow.
• 1:25:38
  So I definitely have four compound bows and I have I got a
• 1:25:43
  stick and string bow that I bought just for fun which I shot
• 1:25:46
  a few times but yeah I'm I just I like it.
• 1:25:50
  I've you know it's funny is I bought my first bow which is
• 1:25:53
  APSC Brute. It was a good bow I killed a
• 1:25:55
  deer with. I killed my first deer with a
• 1:25:57
  bow with it. I was stoked and then I just
• 1:25:59
  felt like I was ready to go top shelf because I have a good job
• 1:26:02
  and. I know my twice baby.
• 1:26:04
  Yeah. So I bought a Matthews and I
• 1:26:06
  love that bow. And then honestly, I think when
• 1:26:09
  I when I replace that bow, I think I went through a phase of
• 1:26:14
  trying to get back to that bow because I shot that bow so well,
• 1:26:18
  that halon. I was so good with that bow.
• 1:26:21
  I think I bought a bow and then sold that bow and bought another
• 1:26:24
  bow and sold that bow, trying to get back to that.
• 1:26:27
  And I don't know if I'll ever get like back to that comfort.
• 1:26:32
  So now I've kind of said, OK, I'm done.
• 1:26:34
  I'm just going to sit on this bow and just master this bow.
• 1:26:38
  What? What's your thought?
• 1:26:39
  Like you, I went. On the shoot.
• 1:26:41
  That one bow is that. Is that just so you?
• 1:26:45
  You know you're practicing at at targets and 3DS are the same
• 1:26:48
  you're going to be you're hunting and it's it's all the
• 1:26:50
  same. Is that is that kind of the the
• 1:26:52
  thought process for you? Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:26:55
  It's just like I feel 3D shoots are fun, but I think the main
• 1:26:59
  reason I do them is so I am just shooting more, and I know that
• 1:27:03
  if I shoot more I'll at least stay the same.
• 1:27:08
  Or get better. Whereas if I'm not shooting, I
• 1:27:12
  think I could decline and get worse and less consistent.
• 1:27:15
  And by shooting one bow with the same arrow, the same sight, the
• 1:27:20
  same none of it changes for the 3D shoots or the hunts.
• 1:27:25
  Then it's like, okay, well, I've shot. 2000 arrows this year.
• 1:27:29
  I should be pretty good for the one on this hunt.
• 1:27:31
  If I get an opportunity, it's kind of targets.
• 1:27:34
  And you know three is towards anyways like sure, could you
• 1:27:36
  speak out a few more points for the target boat with a site and
• 1:27:40
  that kind of stuff and magnification and better.
• 1:27:42
  Sure, maybe for me it's. Not the goal for.
• 1:27:45
  Me too. It's also kind of like the dude
• 1:27:46
  who's got his grocery getter vehicle.
• 1:27:49
  Then he's got his, you know, truck, then he's got his like
• 1:27:52
  70s classic car that he has to drive around once in a while.
• 1:27:56
  That's how I got. Up to the bathroom and a down
• 1:27:58
  Sir, Yeah. I agree with you, though.
• 1:28:00
  If you had one piece of equipment and you just trained
• 1:28:03
  on it all the time, you're going to master that piece of
• 1:28:06
  equipment. But I'm kind of infatuated and
• 1:28:08
  I'd like to try out this new PSE that came out and then, oh, I go
• 1:28:13
  to this other Matthews and then, but I mean, Jesus.
• 1:28:17
  Right now I've I've sold like 1/2 a dozen dudes on our fire
• 1:28:20
  department, you know, bows. And I think I'm set up with good
• 1:28:23
  bows because I just kind of gone through them.
• 1:28:25
  So it's definitely been in the last three years or so.
• 1:28:29
  You guys have seen me cycle through a bunch of bows, at
• 1:28:31
  least. Half a dozen bows.
• 1:28:32
  I do think though recently I've been playing around a little
• 1:28:35
  with target bows like buddies target setups and I will say
• 1:28:38
  that like shooting a target bow versus my hunting bow.
• 1:28:42
  It's almost two different things.
• 1:28:44
  So I think that if I do try to do target for a while, which I
• 1:28:49
  may do because I think that would be some a good personal
• 1:28:52
  challenge as well as create some good videos.
• 1:28:55
  I think that it would be fairly easy to differentiate than if I
• 1:28:59
  shot this bow in a different hunting bow that was real
• 1:29:02
  similar. These will not feel similar at
• 1:29:05
  all, like other than the grip and the drawing poundage is
• 1:29:08
  going to be different, the let off is going to be different,
• 1:29:10
  the magnification, the weight of the bows.
• 1:29:12
  Significantly different, I don't think so.
• 1:29:15
  I think it, I think it'll be very much two different lanes,
• 1:29:20
  sort of. There's a reason why you have a
• 1:29:21
  toolbox. There's a reason why you have a
• 1:29:23
  rack of knives that this next tool.
• 1:29:27
  But I I hope you do that, James. Because you've been trying to
• 1:29:30
  get me to target forever. Because I because I recognize
• 1:29:32
  the fact that and I think you know this, but you have a lot of
• 1:29:37
  talent, man. You are an unbelievable Archer
• 1:29:40
  and it's proven every single time we shoot, isn't it?
• 1:29:44
  The dude is just consistent. You are.
• 1:29:46
  I mean, but I'm envious in the fact that you've been shooting
• 1:29:49
  the bow since you were in diapers.
• 1:29:51
  I love hearing your dad tell those stories.
• 1:29:53
  So I say it out of a curiosity, because I enjoy doing
• 1:29:57
  tournaments. Like I said, I played ice hockey
• 1:29:59
  tournaments for. So many years that I have a
• 1:30:02
  competitive nature. I enjoy getting in like the big
• 1:30:04
  game moment. That's why I want to go out and
• 1:30:07
  do those shoots like the State 3D and all that.
• 1:30:09
  I want to do those to see where I.
• 1:30:11
  Am see how I stack. Up and I know that.
• 1:30:14
  I know where you would stack up. We have some pretty awesome
• 1:30:17
  local shooters, at least a handful of dudes that shoot
• 1:30:20
  freestyle, and the times when you've beat them with your bow
• 1:30:24
  on it. Remember, there's one dude.
• 1:30:26
  We did a 3D shoot one weekend at Balboa and James Beat.
• 1:30:30
  James Score, he turned in, was better than this dude and the
• 1:30:33
  guy himself said, man, I can't believe this is dude, this bow.
• 1:30:38
  Hunter. Beat me.
• 1:30:39
  This guy's one of the best local freestyle shooters and James
• 1:30:43
  beat him finish in A. Recreational.
• 1:30:45
  Shoot. With his bow hunting bow, so.
• 1:30:48
  That's why I was saying. Dude.
• 1:30:50
  Can you imagine the potential that you would have?
• 1:30:53
  I would love to see you because I know you come from like the
• 1:30:57
  the bike. You know you you're like pro
• 1:30:59
  rider or whatever. So I know you've got that in you
• 1:31:02
  for sure. And I'll tell you, in my
• 1:31:04
  experience in the fire department, I've worked with a
• 1:31:06
  lot of dudes that played professional sports was
• 1:31:09
  baseball, football, I think those are the two motocross, So
• 1:31:13
  what I've even a pro snowboard or wakeboarder.
• 1:31:17
  All I know that in my personal experience that with
• 1:31:19
  professional athletes and you were there in that level and
• 1:31:22
  your BMX, there's something special.
• 1:31:27
  Athletically about people who are professional athletes, they
• 1:31:30
  are not running them, they are next level.
• 1:31:33
  So that's what I'm saying. Like, I see the potential in you
• 1:31:35
  as an Archer. And look, we did.
• 1:31:37
  Today, the last 17 targets were all 10s.
• 1:31:41
  That's not like, that's right. Yeah.
• 1:31:43
  I went down most. People cannot.
• 1:31:44
  Do that. No.
• 1:31:45
  Yeah. So I would love to see you
• 1:31:47
  unlock it, and even if you stayed in bowhunter freestyle or
• 1:31:51
  you went straight up freestyle with a with a target or
• 1:31:53
  whatever, I'm curious to see how.
• 1:31:56
  Freaking amazing, you. Could be you know well.
• 1:31:59
  That's why I always been pushing it to.
• 1:32:01
  Do it I. Appreciate that you don't get
• 1:32:05
  that you can do everything professionally like you.
• 1:32:09
  You know you rode professionally, you don't.
• 1:32:11
  You've never shot professionally, but you do shoot
• 1:32:13
  at a professional level. So you just don't have that.
• 1:32:16
  Like, I don't want to call it a competitive mindset, but like.
• 1:32:22
  When we go to shoots like James always says, like this is for
• 1:32:25
  fun because I get real annoyed when I start shooting like crap,
• 1:32:27
  right? He's like, it's just for fun.
• 1:32:29
  And I think even if he were at like the Vegas shoot or.
• 1:32:32
  Yeah, and he. Would.
• 1:32:35
  Walk in there with this on I'm. Going.
• 1:32:38
  This would be as beautiful. And.
• 1:32:39
  Yeah, pressure. He doesn't get worked up.
• 1:32:42
  He doesn't feel pressure like he's.
• 1:32:44
  Stays relaxed, he has fun, so like.
• 1:32:46
  Messes up, it can bounce back to the deer.
• 1:32:48
  Jersey, there's no paracord. Yeah, so I think you.
• 1:32:52
  Hand him the right bow for target shooting and let him just
• 1:32:55
  practice for fun and it would be like crazy to walk in there and
• 1:33:00
  they would be like, where the hell did this dude come from?
• 1:33:02
  You're. Getting fucked, so I know.
• 1:33:04
  He's gonna walk out with an. Ego the Seism on it.
• 1:33:06
  Here's the other. Thing too is that.
• 1:33:08
  And I know I've told you this, but I've because I've been a
• 1:33:11
  hunter for a long time. And I do archery shoots and all
• 1:33:15
  this stuff. I've met a lot of accomplished
• 1:33:17
  hunters. I've got a brother-in-law in
• 1:33:19
  Maine that has a game room of white tails from like, West
• 1:33:23
  Virginia and Maine and all these hunts he's done and he's a
• 1:33:26
  phenomenal hunter. And I listen to his advice like
• 1:33:29
  he tells me how, Chuck, I know you like these broadheads, but
• 1:33:31
  you can actually do. I take his advice.
• 1:33:34
  You know that dude is accomplished.
• 1:33:35
  Hunter, my brother. Excellent Hunter.
• 1:33:38
  You know, I listen to them when they talk.
• 1:33:40
  Especially Turkey. He's a, he's a Turkey hunter
• 1:33:43
  guy, you know in in Vermont. He's phenomenal at Turkey
• 1:33:46
  hunting. I mean, he's incredible.
• 1:33:48
  Then I met this guy named Mike. He's from Illinois.
• 1:33:51
  Unbelievable the amount of giant whitetails that he's killed and
• 1:33:55
  it has a lot to do with the fact that he hunts Illinois.
• 1:33:57
  But still he's an accomplished archery hunter.
• 1:34:00
  And I respect the hell of him, dude.
• 1:34:02
  Between my brother-in-law Maine, Mike from Illinois and you, you
• 1:34:06
  are probably the. You're one of the best hunters
• 1:34:10
  I've ever known who would because of your spot in stock
• 1:34:13
  skills. And when you started Bow
• 1:34:15
  Disciples, I knew it was going to be successful because of the
• 1:34:19
  fact that you. Are accomplished hunter.
• 1:34:22
  Appreciate. That that's not typical of
• 1:34:26
  people to be able to be so successful with a spot in stock.
• 1:34:30
  And you've said it a lot of times about how much you love
• 1:34:33
  hunting Arizona. I never even thought they were
• 1:34:36
  deer in Arizona, you know what I mean?
• 1:34:38
  But you find mean that rack you got out there that's wide thing.
• 1:34:42
  The way you can locate and and actually execute a spot in stock
• 1:34:47
  hunt. I think you are top shelf and I
• 1:34:50
  honestly think that that's what leads to the success of Bo
• 1:34:54
  disciples because you you have a lot of fun videos and stuff or
• 1:34:57
  like shooting bow pong or whatever.
• 1:34:59
  But do when it comes down to it, like your hunt skills.
• 1:35:03
  You you're extremely credible and I've, I've comment,
• 1:35:07
  compliment you a few times about the way you when you narrate
• 1:35:10
  your hunting videos, you preach ethical hunting and you talk
• 1:35:15
  legit real good hunting advice for someone of your age.
• 1:35:21
  Because I'm significantly older than you from your someone your
• 1:35:25
  age. You have more hunting experience
• 1:35:27
  at your age than most do in a lifetime.
• 1:35:30
  And you're legit. That's why I'm You're so
• 1:35:32
  accomplished hunting wise, in my view, that I want to see what
• 1:35:36
  you're capable of in like, competitive archery.
• 1:35:38
  But it's literally my own thing if you decide to never do it.
• 1:35:41
  I'm like, oh man, what could have?
• 1:35:43
  Been Yeah, everyone. 'S going to be in the Vegas
• 1:35:46
  stands, just like it's going to have this strange squad of
• 1:35:49
  people Vegas has never seen. I do, I do appreciate it and
• 1:35:55
  really the the main reasons for. My archery skills and and my
• 1:35:59
  hunting skills really is from Ted.
• 1:36:01
  You know my dad because he's got me shooting so young, taught me
• 1:36:05
  how to hunt for so young And then him and I, we really hit
• 1:36:08
  this breaking point hunting in. I think 2014 was our first year
• 1:36:13
  we really learned how to hunt. We had haunted for a long time,
• 1:36:16
  been successful, but we were successful on, you know, fork
• 1:36:22
  and orange smaller bucks, which is.
• 1:36:24
  Totally cool. You know, totally cool.
• 1:36:25
  But then I said, you know what? I want to.
• 1:36:27
  I want to start getting like big bucks every time.
• 1:36:30
  I had to. Really.
• 1:36:31
  Actually learn how to hunt to do that.
• 1:36:33
  I didn't know how to hunt before.
• 1:36:34
  I knew how to be successful at one thing, but to be really
• 1:36:40
  proficient at getting like large old animals, that is two
• 1:36:45
  different things. So I had to learn how to do
• 1:36:47
  that. And the cool part is everything.
• 1:36:50
  Up until that point, I had only learned.
• 1:36:52
  From my dad or Jay or some of my hunting mentors to that point,
• 1:36:56
  Chuck Adams. Not this one.
• 1:37:00
  You know, guys on Monster Bucks. Like when I was a kid, I really
• 1:37:03
  would watch these VHS tapes every year.
• 1:37:05
  They'd get them for my birthday and Christmas.
• 1:37:06
  So I'd watch these tapes over and.
• 1:37:08
  Over and over, Monster bucks. Yeah, so this is how I learned.
• 1:37:11
  But then my dad and I, we learned.
• 1:37:14
  I learned from him and my mentors until 2014.
• 1:37:17
  And then I think my dad and I started to learn how to hunt
• 1:37:20
  together, because we were. Doing new stuff, spending it.
• 1:37:24
  We had never owned a tripod. Now that's my whole life.
• 1:37:27
  Is a glass enough tripod at work?
• 1:37:29
  Whatever. So I think just that.
• 1:37:31
  Always trying to progress, and I think any hunter can learn from,
• 1:37:35
  from my success is not. I didn't.
• 1:37:39
  I don't stay successful from doing the same thing.
• 1:37:42
  I'm always trying to learn and get better each time, 'cause I
• 1:37:45
  think if you go, OK, well, I'm good enough and just stay there,
• 1:37:48
  that's when your skills will flatten.
• 1:37:50
  And then? Yeah, And then with archery,
• 1:37:53
  that's a little different. Like, I don't.
• 1:37:56
  I think that's just from tremendous amount of repetition,
• 1:37:59
  really. I think that's about it.
• 1:38:01
  I'm so comfortable. It's funny, 'cause, you know,
• 1:38:03
  people on YouTube will sometimes be trolls and all.
• 1:38:06
  You punch a trigger, you do this, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:38:08
  Like, I would toast your ass too.
• 1:38:10
  So you got to kind of, but it it's whatever.
• 1:38:12
  And that doesn't bother me. But Target will be fun 'cause
• 1:38:16
  like you said, can those same? Skills transfer to Target.
• 1:38:21
  I personally think they will, but it'll be fine and if
• 1:38:25
  anything it'll be good. Videos so there's not really.
• 1:38:28
  Time will tell, yeah. Time will tell, Yeah.
• 1:38:30
  And and see when for you hunting, your competition is
• 1:38:36
  yourself. That's it.
• 1:38:37
  Your persistence, your patience, you know, your perseverance or
• 1:38:41
  whatever. But when you compete, you know,
• 1:38:45
  I know that. Like at a certain level in ice
• 1:38:47
  hockey when we were. Like if we were, if I was on the
• 1:38:50
  team and we were really good and we were dominant, I never wanted
• 1:38:54
  to keep playing the same level and just keep being like, you
• 1:38:59
  know, 10 and O or six and O in a tournament like.
• 1:39:03
  OK, if we went six and O in a tournament and won the
• 1:39:05
  tournament, OK, we can do this tournament again.
• 1:39:09
  You don't want to say we? Have to go to the next level and
• 1:39:11
  see what we can do at that level.
• 1:39:14
  So I've always that's my competitive nature is to always
• 1:39:16
  strive to OK, we we succeeded here.
• 1:39:19
  Now let's move on to the next challenge.
• 1:39:21
  That's why I'm my colleague. Hey, let's go do the state.
• 1:39:23
  Championship and I'm glad you. Knew that I'm going to see how I
• 1:39:26
  stack up because. Sometimes, like maybe it's like
• 1:39:30
  the time, you know, I put my bow away for a whole month.
• 1:39:33
  For me personally, I need, I either need a upcoming deer tag
• 1:39:37
  or elk tag. That's my motivator.
• 1:39:40
  Or to keep me really striving to be better?
• 1:39:43
  I need some kind of competition. I'm not and I am self motivated
• 1:39:48
  to be prepared for that, to put in the work for that, but I need
• 1:39:51
  that. I need that next thing.
• 1:39:53
  I was just looking at like the NFA website going, OK, where's
• 1:39:56
  when's the next tournament? You know, oh, April, there's
• 1:39:58
  this thing in Fresno I want to go do.
• 1:40:00
  And because I know that that will be the motivator for me to
• 1:40:04
  to keep my game as best as it can be.
• 1:40:07
  Between now and then. And it always comes back to
• 1:40:09
  because when I have an elk broadside or when I have a deer
• 1:40:13
  quarter, in a way I want to make that shot.
• 1:40:16
  That's my motivation to be good with my bow.
• 1:40:18
  But I strive for that competition.
• 1:40:21
  You're kind of more, at least, I don't know you because I didn't,
• 1:40:24
  I didn't know you when you were the pro rider, but now you hunt.
• 1:40:30
  I mean, excuse me, well, I already mentioned how you hunt,
• 1:40:32
  but when you shoot bows, we might be out there giving it
• 1:40:36
  100%. And you're beating us.
• 1:40:40
  You know I've like I've come closer.
• 1:40:42
  Maybe I got you once I. Think you have one time?
• 1:40:44
  Yeah, I always like to real me. That's like a milestone.
• 1:40:47
  Yeah. For me.
• 1:40:47
  Well, I. Always love shooting with you
• 1:40:49
  too because you are a very good shooter as well so.
• 1:40:52
  And I personally like to shoot with people that can be on my
• 1:40:55
  ass, 'cause then if you slip a little bit, they'll get you.
• 1:40:57
  That's why I like my. Mackie.
• 1:40:59
  You know Mackie or you know Marco, Mel, local guy, love
• 1:41:04
  doing shoots with him or my buddy Taylor that shot the
• 1:41:06
  Bison. He's an amazing shooter and you
• 1:41:09
  know he's the one who went when I was playing around with target
• 1:41:12
  ball. I was like I got to give it a
• 1:41:13
  try. You know, it's just a little,
• 1:41:14
  it's just different. But I think that the goal thing
• 1:41:17
  you said is so important. You hear that with?
• 1:41:19
  You know business guys all the time they say their number one
• 1:41:22
  thing is to always have written goals on their in their face all
• 1:41:26
  the time. That's what strives them to be
• 1:41:28
  great business people. So I think yeah, any, any time
• 1:41:31
  you have a goal out front is important.
• 1:41:33
  And I will say too, another thing that I think has helped
• 1:41:37
  probably all of us really shoot more is the fact that we film
• 1:41:40
  videos. Because if you didn't.
• 1:41:42
  Film videos, you might skip the 3D or you might skip this or
• 1:41:46
  whatever, but when you are trying to make videos, you're
• 1:41:49
  like, well, we might as well go do the shoot and we can make a
• 1:41:51
  video too. So that actually has helped to
• 1:41:53
  shoot more and get better and take it seriously and want to,
• 1:41:57
  you know, because you don't want to, you don't want to yard sale
• 1:41:59
  arrows on the video, you know that's even worse.
• 1:42:01
  And sometimes those are funny. But, you know, Yeah, So you'll
• 1:42:05
  get it. It's.
• 1:42:05
  Just happy to catch up, right? Yeah, the ones like.
• 1:42:07
  You sail into your fence or whatever at home, but I'm
• 1:42:10
  grateful for you guys because you know.
• 1:42:12
  For you guys are always the ones that are out doing the shoots
• 1:42:15
  and willing to go to the shoots. And we're always texting going
• 1:42:18
  hey, what a Henshaw. You want to go it in.
• 1:42:20
  Yeah I'm in. I'm in.
• 1:42:22
  When you and I I had some local buddies that were into it in the
• 1:42:25
  beginning but I don't know they kind of faded out of it or
• 1:42:27
  whatever. But every time I'd hit you up
• 1:42:29
  you want you were always Yep. I'm in.
• 1:42:31
  I'm in. I'm in.
• 1:42:31
  I'm in. And so you because you were so
• 1:42:34
  into it and willing to go even Orange County or Riverside or
• 1:42:37
  whatever on these trips or tack like good.
• 1:42:42
  I got a friend that's going to always want to go shooting bows
• 1:42:45
  and that's what I want to do. So let's keep doing it.
• 1:42:48
  And you know, because of you guys being so eager and
• 1:42:53
  apartment to go do these shoots, I shoot more.
• 1:42:56
  And again, it's going to make us that much better when we have
• 1:42:59
  that opportunity to shoot a deer.
• 1:43:00
  Yeah, it it actually is wild. And I think that all of this
• 1:43:04
  stuff we're talking about is it all comes back to shooting more
• 1:43:08
  often and in reality, most. Hunters in the United States.
• 1:43:13
  I think there's like 13 million hunters and probably I don't
• 1:43:15
  know maybe half that's bow hunter.
• 1:43:17
  So let's say like 5-6 seven million somewhere in there.
• 1:43:20
  Most archery hunters literally don't shoot their bow year
• 1:43:24
  round. Pull out the bow week before
• 1:43:27
  season shoot a couple times at a block target or oh I'm good to
• 1:43:30
  go. So I and and not that there's
• 1:43:33
  anything inherently wrong with that, but I think one of the
• 1:43:36
  good things that bow disciples as well as other YouTube
• 1:43:39
  channels that focus a lot on archery.
• 1:43:41
  Is promoting shooting for fun, which makes you shoot more?
• 1:43:45
  Which makes you shoot better and makes you more prepared hunting,
• 1:43:49
  which then overall gives hunting a better look in the public eye
• 1:43:54
  for sure. See.
• 1:43:55
  That's one of the things I like about the archery world is I'll
• 1:43:58
  tell I'll use Levi Morgan as an example.
• 1:44:01
  I love watching I I started watching Levi Morgan and I got
• 1:44:06
  to familiar with who he is because I was geeking out on.
• 1:44:11
  Archery tournaments, because I was starting to do the police
• 1:44:14
  and fire games and all that, doing these competitive things.
• 1:44:16
  So I wanted to watch more competitive archery shoots to
• 1:44:19
  see how those were. And so there's this guy, seven
• 1:44:23
  time world champion at the time. And then I see this guy who's so
• 1:44:28
  extremely accomplished in archery world champion multiple
• 1:44:31
  times. Now I get to watch him on these
• 1:44:33
  hunting shows, whereas for you it's more like I know you as the
• 1:44:37
  hunter. Yeah.
• 1:44:39
  Reverse but like. You know, if you be on that
• 1:44:42
  side, so we'll see. I like seeing the.
• 1:44:44
  I like seeing the two because I'm so infatuated with archery
• 1:44:47
  and bow hunting that I love to see the dudes like him and
• 1:44:50
  Crispy that that were competitive and established
• 1:44:54
  competitive Archers. That or you know, John Dudley.
• 1:44:58
  I had no idea. I didn't know he was Olympian,
• 1:45:00
  you know, I mean, you get. Guys like that?
• 1:45:03
  Yeah. Yeah, so you get dudes like
• 1:45:05
  that, you go on translates, yeah.
• 1:45:07
  Oh my God. And now, So when these dudes are
• 1:45:09
  out there talking about shot placement on a deer, it's like,
• 1:45:13
  well, they're not just great hunters that, you know, caught
• 1:45:15
  them on a hunting video. Yeah, they're tacticians. 203040
• 1:45:19
  years of experience with competitive field archery too.
• 1:45:23
  So yeah, I I respect and appreciate both sides of the
• 1:45:27
  spectrum. Yes, you know, I'm saying.
• 1:45:29
  And there's a lot of crossover, too.
• 1:45:32
  Between guys that Hunt as well as do targets, there's a lot of
• 1:45:37
  crossover. Like we're we're about to have
• 1:45:39
  this guy, me and Brandon McDonald do.
• 1:45:41
  He's talks sometimes on Instagram Live.
• 1:45:43
  It's like another little separate podcast.
• 1:45:44
  But we're getting this kid on eventually.
• 1:45:48
  I don't know when we're going to line it up but his name's Bodie
• 1:45:50
  Turner and it's the guy on Joel Turner's son who was on Joe
• 1:45:54
  Rogan teaches about like the closing shooting.
• 1:45:58
  His son is like. Potentially the next best ever
• 1:46:02
  at archery. Just unbelievable Shooter and.
• 1:46:05
  Young teen years. He's like 16.
• 1:46:08
  Yeah, yeah, he's a beat. Yeah, I think last.
• 1:46:10
  Year. And he's a beast hunter, crazy
• 1:46:13
  shooter. And I'm going to, I want to get
• 1:46:16
  a monsoon and I've talked to him.
• 1:46:17
  He wants to do it. So we're going to do it
• 1:46:19
  eventually whenever it lines out.
• 1:46:20
  But I I would love to pick someone like his brain, who's
• 1:46:23
  obviously just like me, learned to shoot when he was, you know,
• 1:46:27
  this big because of his dad. And then has his dad not not
• 1:46:30
  only be just a shooter, but a, you know, coach as well.
• 1:46:34
  So I'd be so curious to know like.
• 1:46:36
  You know, do you only shoot with the exact principles of your
• 1:46:39
  dad, or is there anything you do a little different, like on your
• 1:46:42
  own? I'm that's what I'm interested.
• 1:46:44
  In. You know, because in so many
• 1:46:47
  people since Joel went on, Rogan have had Joel on, but no one's
• 1:46:51
  had his son on. And I'm like, I want to, I want
• 1:46:53
  to hear from son, you know, because I think that's kind of
• 1:46:55
  interesting too. But yeah, I mean archery, you
• 1:47:00
  got into it, I don't know, 20/15/2016, I'm sure.
• 1:47:05
  You probably garnered a lot of extra skills just in life just
• 1:47:08
  from hunting an archery too. Yeah.
• 1:47:10
  No, that's kind of what we talked about, I think was our
• 1:47:13
  first. Episode on or the 1st.
• 1:47:15
  Oh, the one with the yeah is it there's a lot of crossovers and
• 1:47:20
  what you learn in archery translates to outside and what
• 1:47:23
  you learn outside those disciplines and habits
• 1:47:26
  crossover, you know. So it's a it's a beneficial
• 1:47:30
  hobby, skill, lifestyle, or whatever degree of.
• 1:47:33
  Recreation. Yeah, test dedication.
• 1:47:36
  And commitment, like anything else that you want to be
• 1:47:38
  successful at. My only regretting archery is I
• 1:47:40
  didn't buy a bow when I was 20. You know, I remember the first
• 1:47:43
  time I went to an archery store and I picked up a bow and I was,
• 1:47:45
  you know, handling it, checking it out as a salesperson comes
• 1:47:49
  over. Hey, you interested in buying a
• 1:47:50
  bow? I quickly just hung it back up
• 1:47:54
  because, you know, I was a young, brand new firefighter
• 1:47:57
  with a wife and two kids. And I knew I couldn't probably
• 1:47:59
  afford it. So I was like, Oh no, some other
• 1:48:01
  day. And I hung it up.
• 1:48:03
  And I'd literally visit that same archery shop, like,
• 1:48:06
  annually. It seemed just to pick up
• 1:48:08
  another bow and look at it your your gravity is not committed
• 1:48:12
  yet. Are you ready yet?
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  No, not quite. Again, I just, you know, I wish
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  that I'd have done whatever it took to scrape up the money to
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  just get into archery back when I was in my mid 20s because I
• 1:48:26
  could have had two or, you know, two extra decades.
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  Of bow hunting experiences and adventures.
• 1:48:34
  You know that I because when I grew up.
• 1:48:36
  We did 2. Weeks of rifle season in Vermont
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  and it's the winter and you freezing and you know it was
• 1:48:41
  slim pickings on deer and it was tough hunting.
• 1:48:45
  But archery season opens up a whole new world.
• 1:48:48
  Early season hunting. Long seasons.
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  Less pressure. Challenging.
• 1:48:53
  You know, you got to really be dedicated behind the boat.
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  Get in tight. You know you got to get in tight
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  Closer I. Missed out in two decades worth
• 1:49:00
  of potential experiences and I wish I'd.
• 1:49:02
  I wish I'd have gotten into it long time ago.
• 1:49:06
  You know. I also think what's crazy is
• 1:49:09
  when you go on YouTube or Instagram sometime and you see
• 1:49:11
  there's two people, one guy is always doing those super wild
• 1:49:15
  trick shots with the recurve or the Longbow where he shoots
• 1:49:18
  through like rings that are falling through the thing or
• 1:49:21
  like glancing arrows off the. Moving target.
• 1:49:23
  Or the one where I think I saw one where he like shot a flying
• 1:49:26
  Frisbee and then his arrow hit it and then you see him running.
• 1:49:29
  It falls in his quiver like just crazy stuff.
• 1:49:32
  And then there's the one girl that does like the flexibility
• 1:49:34
  where she shoots and hand stands with.
• 1:49:37
  Their feet dressing, That's nuts.
• 1:49:40
  Like that's a whole different thing, but can I take something
• 1:49:43
  already extreme and just making it extra?
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  Or how about? Tim.
• 1:49:46
  Wells, Tim Wells. Yeah, what?
• 1:49:50
  Out of the air? And he doesn't even have a
• 1:49:52
  sight. He's an instinctive shooter with
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  a compound like fingers. Wild.
• 1:49:56
  Stuff. The commitment.
• 1:49:59
  But there's also a degree in all these people.
• 1:50:01
  There's also a degree of just natural God-given talent.
• 1:50:04
  And I go back to that to you. I'm telling you, you have a
• 1:50:07
  natural talent. I just want to.
• 1:50:10
  You go see it, we're going to give it a rip.
• 1:50:12
  So we'll see. I'm.
• 1:50:12
  Looking forward to it, man, because I know what you're.
• 1:50:14
  Capable of. Yeah, I appreciate that.
• 1:50:15
  But yeah, I, I appreciate you coming on, Chuck, I think it was
• 1:50:18
  a lot of fun. Thanks.
• 1:50:20
  Member #3, Brianna, as usual, thanks for coming on.
• 1:50:24
  Congratulations, Matt. Looking good with the hat, you
• 1:50:27
  know. And yeah, we'll see you at
• 1:50:29
  episode 4. So subscribe to the pod, it's on
• 1:50:32
  all platforms now. Nice.
• 1:50:34
  Apple, Spotify. Any of them.
• 1:50:37
  Even video on Spotify or YouTube.
• 1:50:39
  Good work. So there you go.
• 1:50:41
  Enjoy the show. Thank you very much.
• 1:50:42
  And we'll see you in the next one.