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🎪 Episode 95: Toxic Love Story...The Netflix Documentary That Fooled Everyone | Catfishing, Lies & True Crime Breakdown · This Is My Circus

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  I'm Stefanie.
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  I'm Meredith.
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  And welcome to This Is My Circus.
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  Mini, somewhat, mini ep.
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  Yeah, I think we need to come up with another name.
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  A doc ep?
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  Doc ep Is probably more accurate, especially with all the stuff that happens in this one.
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  Sweet Jesus.
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  So many players, so many...
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  Actually, not a ton of players.
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  There's a lot of Uno reverses.
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  Yeah.
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  In this- That's a great way to put it it was all Uno reverses.
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  That is a great way to put it.
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  Just every, every time.
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  Like, every single- That's the, that's the best time.
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  That's the best way to say it.
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  Yeah.
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  100%.
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  Okay, let's dive in.
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  So we watched A Toxic Love Story on Netflix.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  It was three episodes?
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  It was just one.
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  Just one.
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  Just one long one.
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  It was like a two-hour doc.
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  It wasn't like a series.
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  Whatever.
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  Okay, so part one.
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  Okay.
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  So let's go over the player names first.
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  Okay.
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  Not player, people.
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  Well, we're talking about Uno, so one of our main players is Ian.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Ian Diaz.
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  Yes.
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  And he is, let's just call him the dude.
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  Yeah.
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  The dude in the story.
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  Yeah.
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  He's a US Marshal.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And he's in a relationship, at this time when we, when the doc starts, with Angela Diaz.
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  They're married.
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  Right.
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  And she's pregnant she is pregnant with twins.
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  Yes.
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  And we also meet a little bit down the road Michelle Hadley.
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  Yes, and she's the ex.
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  She is the ex.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And, we meet her in a little bit, but let's start with Ian and Angela.
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  Right.
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  So like you said, she's pregnant- Oh, and then we had his, best female friend that, kept commenting that he is this great guy.
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  Oh my gosh, I forgot about her.
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  She was demented she wanted him Yeah.
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  She was in love, leslie, Okay, so she's the best friend, and she has a lot to say throughout- Mm-hmm this whole thing.
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  Lots of input throughout the whole shebang.
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  Right.
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  So it starts off and we actually hear from Leslie first.
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  Yeah.
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  And she's like,"I just wish this never happened, and I wish everybody would tell the truth," because she doesn't believe what the truth is is the truth- Mm-hmm in the end.
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  Which, which after several owner reverses, we find out at the very end, and we are gonna talk about spoilers for this whole thing.
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  All of it, yeah.
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  So if you hadn't watched it, stop listening if you haven't watched it.
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  And then come back.
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  And then come right back immediately.
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  Mm.
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  Don't, don't forget us.
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  Come back.
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  This one is crazy.
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  Okay.
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  Bananas.
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  So like you said, we have, we have all the players.
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  we start with Leslie, and she's like,"Oh, he's such a great guy," and that's when we learn he's a US Marshall.
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  And immediately I start thinking he's a stand-up guy.
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  Same.
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  I'm like,"Oh, he's, he's, he's something." Yeah.
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  Same.
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  So would, yeah.
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  Yeah, I thought the same thing.
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  Yep, that's what they want us to think.
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  That's what they want.
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  Right?
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  So, um, they're living in Anaheim.
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  They're in California, and- In a condo in a condo, yep.
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  And they look like just newlyweds starting their life together, and they're doing great.
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  Yeah.
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  And then we find out that Angela's receiving some emails.
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  Yes, and that is when the ex comes into play.
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  Yep.
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  So we're getting these emails, and they are from a sender called Lilith is Truth.
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  Yes.
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  And, they're threatening.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Saying"Your time's coming," and- Mm-hmm"eye for an eye," and- Mm-hmm that she was going to be sending people to, trigger warning- Mm-hmm rape and kill- Mm-hmm the wife and her babies- Mm-hmm that she's pregnant with.
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  Yep,"All of the things you've stolen my life.
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  You need to be gone." Yeah, so wow.
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  Yeah.
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  So at this point you're like,"Oh my God, this\ they're showing, the police cams, the body cams- Mm-hmm of the wife giving her report of these men like breaking into their house trying to rape her- Mm-hmm because there's a Craigslist ad saying that it, she wanted a rape fantasy- Right fulfilled.
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  Right.
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  Like what?
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  I know.
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  And we meet the dude that was gonna fulfill this fantasy, and he's like,"Well, she said this," and she was like,"I want," you know, I don't know how much detail we can go in here, but, Yeah.
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  But, but we meet the guy who was hired- Yes, but for that he wanted to remain anonymous'cause he didn't want to be- judged for his sexual proclivities.
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  I mean, I get that, but so you see her getting a picture taken- Mm-hmm of her neck'cause he supposedly came up behind her and- Mm-hmm tried to strangle her.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And all the things.
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  Like, so you're like,"Oh, my gosh, this is crazy." This is crazy serious.
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  And at this time, too, we're also still getting the emails, and in the emails, like, they're describing what she has on, and, like, they're watching her.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So then that's about the time that they're putting two and two together with who this is.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So they think it is Michelle Hadley- Mm-hmm which is the ex.
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  Right.
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  And I'm like,"Put this woman behind bars right now.
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  She is, an accessory to rape." Yes.
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  She-"Like, or whatever" I was like,"She needs to go into, the loony bin." Yeah, that too.
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  She needs help.
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  Bars at the loony bin.
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  Serious help.
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  Yeah.
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  That is what I was thinking.
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  What woman...
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  That's all I could think of.
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  What woman would set this up for another woman- Me for something like that to happen?
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  Yeah.
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  Just, I was like,"This, this woman, yeah, she's got a lot going on." We did miss one part, that Michelle owns the condo with Ian- Ian.
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  Mm-hmm still.
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  They never settled the condo situation because they were engaged- Mm-hmm and they bought this condo together.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Um, so she still is technically part owner of this condo.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Bananas.
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  Yeah.
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  To use your word that you like to use.
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  Yep.
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  And actually, she is the one who put the down payment.
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  She put all her savings into this condo, so if you're gonna go by who paid more into it, it's her condo.
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  Yeah.
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  But that's not the way the law works.
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  Whatever.
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  So at this point, we don't really know Michelle.
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  We just know that she's sending these terrible emails, and she- And she's off her rocker, basically yeah, she's a horrible person.
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  We don't really know much- Mm-hmm about Angela other than what's going on right now, and that the crazy ex is just being outright crazy.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And I believed everything that I was told.
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  This doc was done really well because I was not onto anything.
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  Me either.
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  I was locked in.
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  Okay, so- So let's do the first Uno reverse- Okay.
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  of, Angela.
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  Okay.
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  so now we get back to Leslie, who's telling us about this whole Angela situation.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So you're thinking...
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  And all, it's all over the news that Michelle's crazy.
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  Like this- Yeah deranged woman is doing- Yeah all the things, right?
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  Yeah.
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  So all over the news, in the papers, everything.
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  Her name is like mud.
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  Mud, 100%.
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  The family's name is mud.
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  Everybody thinks she's guilty, and- Yeah she did go to jail.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  12 months.
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  Yeah.
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  So she is like- And can we pause there?
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  That, I mean, not that you can't come back from stuff like that, but that's traumatic, and that could potentially ruin, and the mental role that that plays.
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  And Michelle is she's believing that she sent these emails, kinda.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  She thought she lost her mind.
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  Yeah.
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  She thought that she was guilty of this stuff because so many people were telling her she was.
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  Right.
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  Crazy.
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  So Leslie comes back, and she's telling us about how Angela and Ian met.
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  Yep.
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  And is giving us that backstory of how Ian was at a bar and Angela came in, and he somehow brought up he was a, US Marshal.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And she's like,"Oh, I'm in law enforcement, too." Uh-huh.
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  "I'm The attorney- Yeah general or something.
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  Something, yeah.
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  Something in law.
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  So they had stuff in common.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And he was just smitten from the go.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And she's, this cute blonde.
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  Yeah.
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  Blah, blah, blah.
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  So we find out, they hit it off very quickly.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And things moved very, very quickly.
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  Faster than the lesbian relationship.
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  Yes.
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  The- Okay.
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  Haven't you ever heard those jokes before?
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  It just threw me off.
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  What?
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  I threw you off?
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  I can't normally do that.
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  It would normally just make you laugh.
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  Oh, you do that all the time.
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  But I love it.
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  I love you for that.
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  Yay, I love you too.
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  So it moves really, really fast.
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  They're, like, engaged, in 2.2 seconds.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And then they get married, and now she's pregnant with twins.
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  They're engaged faster than the documentary last time in Scotland.
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  Uh-huh.
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  So if we're doing a race- Yeah this one's Red flags.
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  All over.
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  Red flags.
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  So, that's how we get introduced to Angela, like, the backstory.
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  Yeah.
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  But then We find out that she has cancer.
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  Yes.
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  So she is like,"Oh my gosh, I've got stage four whatever cancer." Mm.
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  And, and Ian's like,"I will go to all the appointments with you." Yep.
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  "I'm gonna do all of it with you.
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  We're gonna get through this together." Mm-hmm.
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  And she's like,"No, you go to work." It's important that you work.
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  You need to do the things.
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  Again, sounds familiar like the other documentary.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I'm seeing a lot of trends here.
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  But yeah, she's, she's like,"You go.
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  I'm brave.
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  I'll handle this." Mm-hmm.
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  And, she's playing it up.
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  Oh, 100%.
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  She's g- giving all the pictures from chemo and- Yep doing all the things and- Yep but then some red flags start happening with this cancer story.
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  Which red flags?
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  C- why are my notes not in the right order?
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  I don't know.
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  Why's chat hate me?
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  What, what happened?
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  Am I not in the right order?
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  No, I don't know.
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  You tell me what you think happened, and I'll tell you if you're right.
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  He went to an appointment with her, They were at the doctor's office and he, she wouldn't let him go back.
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  Oh, yes.
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  I'm acting like I saw this for the first time just now, right?
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  Oh my gosh, let me tell this part.
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  So they're at the doctor's office.
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  And she is getting some kind of treatment done or checkup or whatever, and he's, looking around the waiting room,'cause he finally gets to go with her, and he's looking around the waiting room comes to find And e- something said, He asks the, the receptionist what kind of- What kind of place it is.
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  Yeah.
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  And she's like, it's a, facial place or something." It's a mole removal.
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  She's having, like, a freaking- Like dermatology.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  She's having, like, a skin tag taken off.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Like, nothing cancerous at all.
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  Yeah.
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  that was fun.
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  I'm glad I remembered that part.
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  She gets out of the appointment, and he was like,"Yo, like, what's up?
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  You don't have cancer.
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  You're just getting a mole removed?" Mm-hmm.
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  And she was like,"No, that's part of my cancer.
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  I have to get this cancerous mole removed." It kills me when they lean into it.
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  Yeah.
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  When they are caught, and they just are like,"No, this is really what happened." Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah.
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  So, he was like,"Well, this doesn't make sense." Mm-hmm.
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  But, like, he kind of just rolled with it for an- another little bit.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And Leslie cut off her hair, because Angela was like,"I'm so ugly with no hair- Mm-hmm blah, blah, blah." So Leslie-, in solidarity, she cuts her hair off too to support But then they see her, Angela- Oh my gosh keeps tucking her hair underneath her hat, like, her, her beanie or whatever And, and Leslie was like,"Oh, that just must be itching her.
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  You know, it's just growing back, or it's bothering her." No.
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  She's like,"This bitch has more hair than I do." And I was like,"Ooh, Leslie." Leslie brought it.
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  That was the first sign that Leslie was there to be a friend, but hoping more would happen with Ian.
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  Mm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  She wanted Ian.
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  Anyway, so, um, they then, bring in Angela into like an intervention.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  With like a room full of people.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And ian says,"Listen, you owe everybody here an apology.
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  You don't have cancer." Right.
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  And she's like,"Yes, I do." Again.
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  And he's like,"You don't." And she's like,"But I do." But you don't.
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  It got crazy.
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  It got crazy.
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  Take your hat off right now.
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  Take your...
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  I mean- Leslie was like- Leslie was like, well, she's still mad that she cut her hair off, but- I would be too though.
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  Same.
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  Same.
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  I'd be so mad.
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  Same.
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  And the older I am, my hair does not grow as fast as it used to.
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  Nope.
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  But yeah, she has on a camera, and she's like chasing her around the room.
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  It's probably actually just her phone.
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  Yeah.
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  But she is just all into the fact that, she is really trying to help them prove the fact- Mm that this woman does not have cancer, and she's still determined in that she does.
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  She's 10 toes down that she- Yes"I am dying." So she leaves, storms out of the house.
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  They searched her room and they found the journal.
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  They found, her stuff that really leaned into not having cancer." Mm-hmm.
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  And then they found the ultrasound.
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  Yeah, they found it, on page, like, it was, like, number 10 of fake- It was like I kept looking, and I kept, like, Google Imaging it, and I kept look- and I was about to give up, and then all of a sudden there it was.
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  Yeah.
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  So she lied about everything.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  She's not pregnant.
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  She doesn't have cancer.
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  They're still married, and she's still 10 toes down on cancer and that she's being harassed by all these people.
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  Yep.
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  And we, at this point, too, we're still getting some information from Michelle, where, she was like,"I just...
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  I guess I had a out-of-body experience, and I don't remember it.
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  I think I'm having a psychotic break." She-"That's not how I was raised." Right.
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  "Like, I don't believe in this." And, and we meet her parents.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And they're just like,"This is not who we thought she was." But we do find out too that Michelle had sent some emails that she remembered that were angry, and understandably so.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I mean, I get that, but don't put anything in writing.
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  Yeah.
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  So, I mean, I think that's also...
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  She was like,"Well, I know I sent those emails, so I must have sent others too." Yeah.
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  Then we get Ian going to the police- Mm-hmm saying,"I don't actually believe it was Michelle now.
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  Now, I think that-" Mm-hmm"Angela did all of, all these emails and all these things by herself." Uno reverse.
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  Uno reverse.
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  Yes.
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  So then they, then you see here, all the, the news stations, um, with, with a twist in the case.
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  Yeah.
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  Breaking news.
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  The wife now- is guilty.
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  Yeah.
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  So now, yeah, now, like you were saying, he, Ian's like,"No, it wasn't, it wasn't Michelle.
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  My bad.
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  Sorry, girl.
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  It was Angela.
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  She's doing this to herself for attention." She, yeah.
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  "She's a crazy pants." Yeah.
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  So they release Michelle from jail.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Um, there she's like, yeah, one day they just came in, they were like,"Oh, yeah, you're released.
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  Have a, have a nice life." Can you imagine just the freaking emotions?
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  And then all the news was out there waiting for her to make a statement.
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  Like, what do you even say?
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  Like, I'd be like,"Uh, I'm suing all of you." Yeah.
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  I would be saying,"Where's the back door?
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  Why are we right here in the front?" That was awful for her.
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  And then, this is where Michelle's story comes in, and she gets to really dive into- Mm-hmm what she wants everybody to know.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And so she starts at the beginning of Ian and her's relationship.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And it starts out with a fairytale.
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  He is being open and vulnerable- Mm-hmm and loving, and he loves Disneyland, and they- Another red flag.
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  He goes several times a week.
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  Okay, first of all, you got a job.
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  Who goes to Disneyland?
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  Who wants to be there that many times?
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  No.
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  I don't wanna fight the parking lot that many times.
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  I don't wanna walk from the parking lot to inside that many times.
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  I don't wanna b- there's nothing there that I wanna see that many times in a week.
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  a year.
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  Adults from I just I don't understand it.
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  Yeah.
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  And they would go together, and he's, like, pointing out all the things, and then she finds out he worked there for years- Uh-huh like, I guess when he was, like, a teenager or whatever.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Um, so she was like,"He's being so open and vulnerable," and, he didn't have a good relationship with his dad, and the best memories he had of his dad were at Disneyland and- Mm-hmm all the things.
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  He's, setting it up so he is this, golden boy.
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  Yep.
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  Well then, golden boy turns into a freak.
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  And, like, no, like, kink shame or whatever, but- Right he's telling this poor girl, who is, like, super, super, wholesome and just- Grew up very, very religious and, and yeah very inexperienced, like- Yeah she's not into all of the kinks- Yep that he wants to watch her have sex with a another guy.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And doesn't let up on it.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And she's like,"No, I don't wanna do this." Mm-hmm.
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  He's like,"No," like,"This is what w- I want you-" This is, this is- This is it this is it.
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  This is, there's no options.
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  This is the thing.
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  And he's, so not only in that way, but in other ways he's controlling her and manipulating her, and, um, wanting to control how she dresses, and, and just all of those things.
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  And she's just wanting a husband.
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  Like, she was like,"I just want my fairy tale." Mm-hmm.
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  "I want my Prince Charming." Mm-hmm.
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  She thought he was it- Mm-hmm and then all, slowly he was turning into, this monster.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And she did have sex with another man- She did and he filmed it.
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  Yes.
• 15:31
  Oh my gosh.
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  I know.
• 15:35
  So he's slowly turning into a monster.
• 15:37
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:37
  He, was sending her all these profiles to look at to pick a man- Mm-hmm that she would have sex with, and she's like,"I will do this one time-" Mm-hmm and then I never wanna talk about this again,"'cause she didn't know.
• 15:49
  She's like,"Well, maybe this is what is supposed to happen." Mm-hmm.
• 15:53
  She was so naive and so sheltered.
• 15:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 15:56
  Yeah.
• 15:57
  Well, and just trusting of what her husband wants, and just very gullible and, like you said, she just wanted a husband, and make him happy, and have this wonderful life, and she thought this was kind of what happened, was whatever he wanted should happen.
• 16:13
  Mm-mm.
• 16:13
  So We start to see- Feel some kind of way.
• 16:15
  Yeah.
• 16:16
  We start to see, the darker side of Ian.
• 16:17
  Mm-hmm.
• 16:18
  Um, so as this is going, then it kind of clips back to the policing of the air marshals, like whoever is- Mm-hmm in charge of going over cases that involve any, US- Marshal whatever.
• 16:31
  It's, like, the internal affairs for- Oh, yeah, yeah law enforcement or whatever.
• 16:34
  Yeah, yeah.
• 16:35
  So they pick up this case, because a US marshal was involved and- And it's got wheels.
• 16:41
  Like, this is a huge, like you said, it's on the news, and then it's on the news again.
• 16:45
  Mm-hmm.
• 16:46
  Yeah, So they're like,"Well, you know, it's our duty to look into this," and as we start looking into it- Mm-hmm the dude's like,"Something's up.
• 16:55
  Something's not right." Mm-hmm.
• 16:57
  "Something's fishy, and we need to talk to Michelle." Yep.
• 16:59
  So they interview Michelle, and she's like,"Somebody's gonna finally listen to me." Mm-hmm.
• 17:04
  they're like,"Why didn't you go to the police with any of this stuff?" And she's like,"Because he's law enforcement." Right.
• 17:09
  Like, how am I supposed to go to the police?
• 17:11
  Nobody's gonna believe me over him.
• 17:12
  We hear that so many times.
• 17:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 17:14
  So many times, and I don't have the answer for that, but that's just so disturbing.
• 17:19
  And they're like,"Well, we want it all.
• 17:20
  Tell us everything." Mm-hmm.
• 17:21
  And they're like,"And her story was crazy." They're like,"Give us all the tea," and they cross their legs.
• 17:24
  Yeah.
• 17:25
  And they just...
• 17:25
  And yes, exactly.
• 17:26
  Yes.
• 17:28
  But they were like,"No," like,"We will listen.
• 17:31
  Please tell us everything," and they said her story's crazy.
• 17:33
  It's bonkers, but- We believe her But it, yeah, but it could fit.
• 17:38
  Yeah.
• 17:39
  There was other- Mm like weird stuff that he was doing.
• 17:41
  Oh, he kicked her out of the car.
• 17:42
  She went to get out of the car.
• 17:44
  She was giving, like, these random instances where he was, Like- diabolical like testing her trying to make her think she's crazy.
• 17:49
  Yeah.
• 17:50
  Gaslighting her, like- Yeah totally, I m- so they're on the highway.
• 17:53
  He's yelling at her, and she's, crying.
• 17:56
  And he's like,"Get out of the car." He stops.
• 17:58
  She goes to open the door.
• 17:59
  He slams the door back and is like- Mm"What are you doing?
• 18:02
  Why would you get out of the car?" Mm-hmm totally making her feel like- Mm she's nuts.
• 18:06
  Mm-hmm.
• 18:07
  Um, and just all these little instances, that she's describing that, okay, you're like- Mm-hmm dude's evil.
• 18:14
  Right.
• 18:14
  Right.
• 18:15
  He's doing all of these things to make her doubt herself, doubt her sanity, to make her feel like that she just Yeah, and it, that's just, she would have to stay because nobody else will understand me the way he does kind of thing.
• 18:29
  Yeah.
• 18:30
  But she didn't stay.
• 18:31
  Good.
• 18:33
  Yeah, she's out.
• 18:34
  But she still is involved because of the condo.
• 18:36
  Mm-hmm, because of that freaking condo that she put, 30 grand down of her money, and he was like,"We really need this condo." Mm.
• 18:42
  And she was like,"Okay, I'll put everything down." Because they could see the fireworks- Oh, bleh, bleh from Disneyland from the porch They don't have dogs.
• 18:50
  No.
• 18:53
  I was like, why would you want that?
• 18:55
  That all the time.
• 18:56
  Even without animals- Right or with children.
• 18:58
  Right.
• 18:58
  Like I would not, like that would not be okay.
• 19:00
  Like going on vacation, if you have a condo that overlooks and you can see something like that, that sounds great.
• 19:05
  To live in every night?
• 19:06
  Every n- no way.
• 19:08
  No way.
• 19:10
  Another another red flag that he wanted to see fireworks.
• 19:13
  It was 10 minutes from Disneyland.
• 19:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:15
  So they can go whenever they wanted.
• 19:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:17
  And they got to see the fireworks every single night.
• 19:26
  That's just, like, evil.
• 19:27
  Like- Yeah why would you want that in your life?
• 19:29
  Evil fireworks.
• 19:31
  Okay, that's a push.
• 19:32
  Every single day, that's what you wanna see?
• 19:35
  there's something wrong with you.
• 19:36
  There's something wrong with you if that is what was in- Yeah like, the deal.
• 19:40
  It's, it's one of those things too.
• 19:41
  You see it all the time, it's not special anymore.
• 19:43
  I don't think it's special anyway.
• 19:44
  I'm not a fireworks girl.
• 19:46
  I like them a little bit, but I don't wanna be the one, lighting them, or I don't want anything to do with them.
• 19:50
  It's such a waste of money.
• 19:51
  Well, they scare me.
• 19:52
  I'm scared of fire.
• 19:56
  And you know, with us living in the middle of nowhere, there's fireworks all the time from, the 1st of July all the way to, like, the 10th, and I just know it's gonna go bad.
• 20:04
  And New Year's.
• 20:05
  Oh, yeah.
• 20:06
  All of, pretty much all December, January- Yeah it's fireworks.
• 20:09
  Yeah.
• 20:10
  So- 10 months out of the year, we have fireworks.
• 20:14
  It just is not my thing.
• 20:15
  And, Mm-hmm if that was what sold you on this condo- Mm-hmm, yeah come on.
• 20:20
  Yeah.
• 20:21
  Come on.
• 20:23
  That's weird.
• 20:23
  The kitchen's terrible.
• 20:25
  It doesn't even have a shower.
• 20:26
  It's just a half bath in this whole condo.
• 20:27
  It's a studio, but we can see the firework...
• 20:29
  No, I'm just kidding about that.
• 20:30
  I, th- probably.
• 20:35
  Okay.
• 20:36
  So then, we're hearing about the investigation- Mm-hmm of Ian.
• 20:40
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:41
  And they're, digging in more and more.
• 20:43
  And now they're like, okay, Ian's using his position of power- Mm-hmm um, to really mess with these women.
• 20:50
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:51
  And something triggered it that they're like, no, Ian's involved in...
• 20:55
  the Craigslist thing.
• 20:56
  Yeah.
• 20:57
  So- They find the dude.
• 20:57
  Right.
• 20:58
  So they are trying to connect the dots as far as why Michelle would want to send somebody from Craigslist to rape- And- Angela.
• 21:07
  Right.
• 21:08
  But she's telling them the story about him sending her profiles and all these men that he wants- Mm-hmm to do all the things with her.
• 21:16
  Yeah.
• 21:16
  And oh, this poor woman.
• 21:17
  And they're like,"Hmm, he, he's very Craigslist savvy." Right.
• 21:24
  So they're like,"You know what?
• 21:25
  We think that Ian's in on this." Mm-hmm.
• 21:27
  And you know what?
• 21:28
  Timeout.
• 21:28
  This was, like, in 2013, 2015, somewhere around in there.
• 21:31
  I don't remember Craigslist being such a big thing still then, do you?
• 21:35
  No,'cause I was- Like, 10 years ago?
• 21:36
  Yeah, no, I moved here by then, and- Yeah it was- It was that, it was shady at that point.
• 21:41
  We all knew that Craigslist was shady at that point.
• 21:43
  Well, I'm not using it for shady things.
• 21:45
  Obviously.
• 21:46
  Obviously.
• 21:47
  Okay.
• 21:47
  So the law people are putting everything together at this point.
• 21:52
  They find the dude that attempted to rape, non-rape- Mm-hmm because he didn't realize it was a r- rape, whatever.
• 21:59
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:00
  Do all the things.
• 22:01
  They find the guy that responded to the ad.
• 22:03
  Yeah, there you go.
• 22:06
  Anonymous, anonymous man.
• 22:08
  Yes.
• 22:09
  And he's like,"Hey,""I didn't want a relationship.
• 22:12
  I'm a single parent.
• 22:14
  Like, I just-" Mm-hmm you know,"Was looking for a little fun." This was my, this was my thing.
• 22:18
  I just wanted to do this thing.
• 22:20
  If you can't find it here on Craigslist, where else can you find it?
• 22:26
  Yeah, yeah there's found some kinda connection because all- Uh-huh the emails were routed to, all these different servers and all- Yep trying to evade- Yep police.
• 22:35
  But they did find a connection to Ian- Mm-hmm and one of the emails.
• 22:40
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:40
  So he's in real time, like cops are at his house, and he's on his freaking computer in the next room sending, threatening emails.
• 22:46
  Crazy.
• 22:47
  So they, they find the connection.
• 22:49
  Yep.
• 22:49
  And they're like,"Yep, he's a bum." So here's our next uno reverse.
• 23:00
  Yeah.
• 23:00
  It was really Ian doing all the things.
• 23:03
  But he had picked Angela because she, wanted all the attention.
• 23:07
  She was, soaking up, like,"Yes, somebody is trying to attack me." Mm-hmm.
• 23:12
  How did he know she was this crazy from the beginning, that she was going to be- He, he knew from the start she wasn't an attorney, she was not what she said she was.
• 23:18
  Yeah.
• 23:19
  She was doing that for attention.
• 23:20
  Yeah.
• 23:21
  Then the cancer, the fake babies.
• 23:24
  I mean, so he was like,"Yeah, perfect." Yeah.
• 23:27
  "I picked the one." Uh, this is the one.
• 23:28
  I, but it's crazy to me how people like that find each other without Craigslist.
• 23:34
  It's crazy that, like- Yeah So, Uno reverse number three.
• 23:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:40
  Where's my card?
• 23:41
  it's him.
• 23:41
  Yeah, it's him the whole time.
• 23:43
  So he, they get enough evidence and then they arrest him.
• 23:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:47
  And Michelle is throwing a party.
• 23:49
  Right.
• 23:49
  Like,"Hallelujah, it's over." Mm-hmm.
• 23:53
  But it's really not,'cause she spent four months in jail and- Mm-hmm, and her life is ruined.
• 23:56
  Yeah.
• 23:57
  I mean, she can build it back and hopefully she has, but yeah.
• 23:59
  Well, she's kind of been cleared at this point, but- But still, people know.
• 24:02
  And even though, if you know that I didn't do the things, it's still a black mark.
• 24:07
  Yeah.
• 24:07
  Even though you didn't do it, it still follows you around.
• 24:10
  Yeah.
• 24:10
  I hate that.
• 24:11
  And he's on trial and he does the thing.
• 24:13
  He doesn't d- get convicted until 2023.
• 24:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:16
  So all this started in 2013, I think.
• 24:19
  All of this drama and all of this stuff and his arrest, and then just three years ago did he get convicted.
• 24:24
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:25
  But then like when they were showing the body cam of him when they were trying to prove it was Michelle- Mm-hmm and he was like,"She needs to be locked up.
• 24:32
  She needs to be-" Mm-hmm"in a padded room." Like- Mm-hmm that, and that was another trigger for like the- Mm-hmm whatever, Internal Affairs, whatever- Yeah you want to call it, was he really wanted to nail- Right her to the wall- Right and it was excessive.
• 24:44
  Right.
• 24:44
  Not, not any kind of baby steps leading up to that.
• 24:47
  Just immediately lock her up, throw away the key.
• 24:50
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:50
  Um, yeah.
• 24:51
  He wanted all the things done to her.
• 24:52
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:53
  She had a million dollar bail.
• 24:54
  Uh-huh.
• 24:56
  Yeah.
• 24:56
  She was in like the bad, bad place.
• 24:59
  Oh my gosh.
• 25:00
  I don't know if there's any good kind of place, but it was like the bad one.
• 25:04
  Was she in Wentworth?
• 25:06
  That's such a good show.
• 25:07
  Did you finish that?
• 25:08
  No, I have- Okay like another like two seasons to do.
• 25:11
  But yeah, she's in with like the big girls.
• 25:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:15
  Yeah.
• 25:16
  Yeah.
• 25:16
  Scary.
• 25:16
  Yeah.
• 25:17
  And her parents, again, just traumatized too by this whole situation.
• 25:22
  That's not how my daughter acts.
• 25:23
  She thinks she's lost it.
• 25:25
  Well, that and, and the entire family was Mm-hmm for this.
• 25:29
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:30
  Again, they didn't do anything, but it still just puts the black mark.
• 25:34
  Kinda like the dude, these are so similar.
• 25:36
  The one where, uh, the woman faked her pregnancy and all of that.
• 25:39
  You know him, what, I feel like his name was like Tim or Steve.
• 25:41
  I don't know.
• 25:43
  But you know, he, all his friends ditched him because she was crazy.
• 25:46
  Yeah.
• 25:47
  The one, she, she's the one that did the bomb threat- Mm-hmm at the hospital and stuff.
• 25:50
  You know which one I'm talking about.
• 25:50
  Yeah.
• 25:51
  But it happens.
• 25:52
  Texas.
• 25:53
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:53
  The Texas one.
• 25:53
  Was that Texas?
• 25:54
  I think so,'cause they wanted to buy a ranch.
• 25:57
  There's ranches in other places I know, but I feel like it was Texas.
• 26:00
  You're probably right.
• 26:02
  I just like to give you a hard time.
• 26:02
  Okay.
• 26:03
  Okay.
• 26:04
  I was about to start singing.
• 26:05
  I'm from Texas.
• 26:06
  I was thinking the same thing.
• 26:08
  Yep.
• 26:08
  Crazy minds think alike.
• 26:09
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:10
  Mm-hmm.
• 26:10
  So, so yeah, they've been through it.
• 26:12
  Their lives are altered completely.
• 26:15
  But maybe she'll write like a book and make a lot of money on the book or something.
• 26:18
  Well, she did the documentary now, so.
• 26:20
  Oh, I don't think she got too much from that.
• 26:22
  Yeah.
• 26:23
  Netflix, we will be happy to do a documentary on something.
• 26:27
  Oh, my crazy life.
• 26:29
  How many episodes would that take?
• 26:31
  I don't know.
• 26:32
  Gosh, that'd just have to be like its own, like- Its whole little, like- Like a eight-part miniseries I think so.
• 26:38
  At least an hour and a half a piece.
• 26:40
  And no U- Uno reverses, but some double down cards.
• 26:43
  Yeah.
• 26:44
  Triple down.
• 26:46
  Yeah.
• 26:47
  Draw sevens.
• 26:48
  Let's just not do it.
• 26:49
  No, it's like, never mind.
• 26:50
  Sorry I, I, I rescind the offer.
• 26:51
  Yeah.
• 26:52
  Have you seen those clips though where it's like me getting ready for my Netflix?
• 26:55
  Did you see the one that the, oh my gosh, the lady, was like, she's getting ready for my Netflix, um, docuseries on my husband ending up being a child molester.
• 27:07
  No and then the husband killed her, like the next day.
• 27:10
  No.
• 27:12
  Was he really a child molester?
• 27:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:14
  He got caught, I guess he was a girls basketball coach.
• 27:17
  Ooh.
• 27:17
  And was, trying to have an inappropriate relationship with one of the girls, and she was like 15.
• 27:21
  Wow.
• 27:22
  And the wife had just found out, like the day before she made that video and, Oh my gosh.
• 27:28
  That's crazy and she, you know, left him or whatever.
• 27:31
  Yeah.
• 27:31
  She kicked him out, whatever.
• 27:32
  Yeah.
• 27:32
  And then she did that video, and he came back like the next day and killed her.
• 27:35
  Oh my gosh.
• 27:36
  And he killed himself.
• 27:37
  And their son, their child was in the house.
• 27:39
  The child called 911.
• 27:41
  No, this world is crazy.
• 27:43
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:44
  This was twisted.
• 27:46
  Yeah.
• 27:46
  But it was really good.
• 27:47
  It was really good.
• 27:48
  It was really good.
• 27:49
  It was done really well.
• 27:51
  It was.
• 27:52
  It...
• 27:52
  These things get me.
• 27:54
  Like, they get me every time, like, they...
• 27:56
  And I'm gullible apparently, and I believe what they're telling me on the screen.
• 28:01
  I do too.
• 28:02
  Like, I- In the book I don't, but- Right in these things I do.
• 28:05
  Right.
• 28:05
  I'm like-"Lock her up.
• 28:08
  Yes.
• 28:08
  Put her, throw her, padded room.
• 28:09
  Throw away the key." And then I feel so bad, so then I have to apologize to myself, to her, the TV her.
• 28:18
  Well, I was like,"Yes." Mm-hmm.
• 28:19
  "She's crazy.
• 28:20
  Lock her up." Mm-hmm.
• 28:21
  And then I'm like,"Well, this chick's crazy." Uh-huh.
• 28:23
  I mean, Angela was crazy- She was crazy in her own right.
• 28:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:27
  But not, but Ian- She's just, like, a pathological liar crazy, attention look-at-me crazy.
• 28:32
  Yeah, pick me kind of thing.
• 28:35
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:35
  I really did, I really was hoping somebody was gonna, in that moment when they're like,"Take your hat off," I really wanted somebody to, like, snatch it off.
• 28:43
  Nobody had the cojones to do that.
• 28:45
  I would've.
• 28:45
  You would have?
• 28:46
  100%.
• 28:47
  Well, high five me.
• 28:49
  Okay.
• 28:49
  You were raising your hand- and I was high-fiving you.
• 28:52
  That's awkward.
• 28:56
  So like when you wave at somebody in public and they don't see you and you're like,"Ah." Or like- Or they're waving at somebody behind you and you're like...
• 29:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:03
  My life.
• 29:04
  Maybe not that many people do know us, I just mistake people waving at other people.
• 29:09
  That's probably what it is.
• 29:10
  I just don't go out.
• 29:11
  We're gonna have to do Operation Get Stephanie Out of the House.
• 29:14
  It's two people out there.
• 29:16
  It is two people out there.
• 29:17
  Yeah.
• 29:17
  You're right.
• 29:18
  Okay, crazy doc.
• 29:19
  We can start doing TikTok through Walmart again.
• 29:22
  That was fun, though.
• 29:24
  W- was that a Chris- the Christmas one?
• 29:25
  Yeah.
• 29:27
  That was fun.
• 29:28
  That was fun.
• 29:29
  We should do that Double Dutch bus dance.
• 29:32
  Do you know how terrible that would be?
• 29:34
  I don't even know what you're talking about.
• 29:35
  Oh, it...
• 29:36
  They, you get in a line, and you do this, this Double Dutch bus, and it's, like, a really complicated dance.
• 29:42
  We would not do well my brain- Uh-huh goes faster than my body.
• 29:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:46
  And it doesn't catch up.
• 29:47
  Like, it doesn't connect.
• 29:49
  It just I used to be such a good dancer.
• 29:51
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:51
  Like, I had such good rhythm.
• 29:52
  So I was, I was on bars.
• 29:55
  I hear.
• 29:56
  I've seen pictures.
• 30:00
  I danced on bars, I danced on speakers.
• 30:03
  I was at Ray.
• 30:04
  I, I did all the things, and I used to- Yeah one of my really good friends, Shauna, in Tennessee- Mm-hmm we, I went out to a club with her m- many, many, many years ago, and she's like,"You can move for a white girl." I love it.
• 30:20
  Hey, Shauna.
• 30:21
  I'm sure she's listening.
• 30:22
  She's like,"Thank you." Mm-hmm.
• 30:23
  Mm-hmm.
• 30:25
  Yeah, and now I see some of the stuff, and I'm like, that would've been so easy." I can, like- And now- I, I don't even know if I can do the Macarena.
• 30:32
  I know.
• 30:33
  I don't even know if I can do the ones where they're telling you what to do, like,"Kick now, kick n-") I don't know if I can follow those instructions.
• 30:38
  My brain-body- It's such a delay connection.
• 30:41
  Yeah.
• 30:41
  Remember when we were trying to learn the dance last year and I was like,"I can't get this part.
• 30:45
  Like, I, my brain won't do it." Mm-hmm.
• 30:47
  Mm-hmm.
• 30:48
  I practiced that, dun-dun, dun, dun, the Oppa T- whatever it was.
• 30:52
  Yeah.
• 30:52
  I practiced that for so long.
• 30:53
  I would get to, like, the spin part, and like- Yeah my, my brain wouldn't do it.
• 30:56
  Wouldn't do it right, yeah.
• 30:57
  I know.
• 30:58
  I tried really hard.
• 30:59
  I suck.
• 31:00
  Same.
• 31:00
  Same.
• 31:01
  I can still, like, bump and grind, though.
• 31:03
  Yeah.
• 31:03
  Yeah, I mean, booty shaking, you j- I mean, you don't need a lot of...
• 31:06
  You just need some rhythm for that.
• 31:08
  But doing, like, the choreography and stuff, no.
• 31:11
  I used to be so good.
• 31:12
  Ugh, not anymore.
• 31:13
  no, let's not talk about that anymore.
• 31:15
  Yeah.
• 31:15
  But crazy doc.
• 31:16
  Crazy doc.
• 31:17
  Crazy doc, crazy people.
• 31:18
  Nuts.
• 31:19
  I hope Michelle is a-okay- Same and her fam.
• 31:23
  And, next pod we'll be doing the, book.
• 31:26
  It's Your Turn Now by Thea Baxter.
• 31:28
  My next book.
• 31:29
  Have you read it?
• 31:30
  I have not started it yet.
• 31:31
  I have lots to say about this.
• 31:33
  Oh, good.
• 31:33
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:34
  I love when you have lots to say.
• 31:35
  That doesn't mean you can't m- read it.
• 31:39
  I will read it this week, or listen to it this week.
• 31:41
  Okay, perfect.
• 31:42
  But I love when you have lots to say.
• 31:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:45
  It makes my life happy.
• 31:46
  Okay.
• 31:47
  Well, I want your life to be happy.
• 31:49
  Okay, cool.
• 31:49
  Thanks, everybody.
• 31:50
  All right.
• 31:50
  Please listen next week, where we will have all sorts of things to talk about.
• 31:57
  And if that doesn't make you wanna listen, then I don't know what would.
• 31:59
  Yes.
• 32:00
  All right.
• 32:00
  We love you, and thank you for listening.
• 32:03
  Bye.
• 32:03
  Bye.
• 32:03
  Thank you.