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Clydesdale Media Podcast - Justin Cotler Champion Coach at 1st WFP Event · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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  I was born to kill it.
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  I was meant to win.
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  I am down and willing,
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  so I will find a way.
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  It took a minute,
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  now it didn't happen right away.
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  When it get hot in the kitchen,
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  you decide to stay.
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  That's how a winner's made.
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  Stick a fork
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  what is going on everybody
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  welcome to the Clydesdale
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  media podcast where we
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  interview athletes and
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  coaches in the space to
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  find out what's going on
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  get you some behind the
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  scenes looks at what's
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  happening around the
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  CrossFit world and today I
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  have none other than one of
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  the greatest coaches of all
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  time in the fitness space
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  Justin Kotler what's going
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  on Justin hey Scott how are
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  you bud good to see you I'm
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  good man I'm good um
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  We're going to have a casual
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  conversation tonight.
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  I want to apologize to the listeners.
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  I had a little tech issue.
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  The Rodecaster would not
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  read my microphone for some
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  reason tonight.
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  But we got it fixed.
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  Got it fixed.
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  You sound lovely now, man.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you.
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  I wish if my wife would only
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  talk to me that way.
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  um so the last time you were
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  on we talked about ivy your
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  daughter yeah I'm going
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  through some stuff so I I
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  did want to quickly get an
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  update from you see how
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  she's doing um from
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  instagram it looks like
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  things are going well um
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  yeah I should hear from you
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  yeah she's doing she's doing great um
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  I think the tough thing
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  about IgA nephropathy,
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  which is the disease that she has,
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  is that most of what's
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  happening is internal.
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  So it's really hard to know
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  exactly how things are going.
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  externally she's amazing you
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  would have absolutely no
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  idea you know what I mean
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  she's she's crushing
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  gymnastics she's she's
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  crushing life in general um
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  but you know uh the the
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  numbers you know that that
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  of your analysis are kind
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  of all over the place and
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  it's still things that that
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  obviously we we need to get under control
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  Um, but you know,
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  the doctors are very hopeful and,
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  and you just have to, you know,
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  have to try to stay as
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  positive as you can and,
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  and we continue to do so.
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  And, you know,
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  but right now she's doing great.
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  And, uh, and so the, the goal is that,
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  you know, hopefully the, the numbers, the,
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  the protein in her urine, um,
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  you know keeps coming down
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  and and you just uh you
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  hope that things trend in
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  the right direction and you
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  know if not you kind of
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  have to pivot and crazy
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  thing about this though is
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  like there's no like
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  protocol for treatment it's
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  it's a rare disease it's
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  it's something that that
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  you know they're still
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  studying to try to find a
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  cure it's something that
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  you know they manage and
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  know they throw a bunch of
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  stuff at the wall and you
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  hope something sticks you
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  know what I mean so between
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  medication and and dietary
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  changes and and supplements
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  fish oil things like that
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  you know we're trying to do
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  all the things that we can
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  do uh and um you know but
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  but obviously you know
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  we're hopeful and you know
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  she's she's doing great
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  right now so um just hoping
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  that that continues and and
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  that we continue to get you
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  know good news as we move forward
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  That's great.
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  That's great.
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  And the rest of the family's doing well.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Everybody's doing good.
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  Um, you know, it's always, uh,
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  it's always tough.
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  I know when I,
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  when I go out of town for Ash with,
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  with Ivy and Jax, you know,
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  an eight year old and a five year old.
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  And, um,
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  but, but, you know,
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  she's amazing and things are going well.
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  And obviously we had a great weekend and,
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  and I posted something
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  today about just like the
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  crash of coming home.
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  And, you know, you're, you're in that,
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  that competitive element for, for,
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  you know, for the weekend.
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  And then all of a sudden you
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  come and it's like silence and trying to,
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  not silence with kids but in
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  general just just you know
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  things are obviously a lot
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  a lot more quiet so just
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  trying to deal with that
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  and you know the kind of
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  the crash after events and
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  stuff and um so I'm in that
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  mode for the this week and
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  uh but soon soon I'll be out of it so um
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  yeah that's got to be tough
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  because I know like ash is
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  kind of taking on a lot and
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  when you come home you want
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  to help her but you're
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  coming down off of this
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  weekend yeah and then your
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  energy's low and you're
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  you're just trying to like
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  rally and and and keep up
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  with the troops yeah
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  thankfully it's not too bad
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  traveling to indianapolis
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  you know what I mean
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  a couple hours.
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  So it's not too bad.
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  It definitely is tougher
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  overseas for sure coming back.
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  But yeah, I mean,
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  I came back and we're
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  pretty much back in the swing of things.
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  So it's just in general,
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  just the mindset of kind of
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  you know, allowing yourself the,
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  a little bit of quiet and then,
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  and then back to,
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  back to the daily grind of,
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  of life and business and
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  children and all that kind of stuff,
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  which is, which is cool, you know?
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  So yeah, so we're, we're back and you know,
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  had some time to reflect on
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  some things and obviously we'll,
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  we'll talk more about that today.
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  so I want to dive into the
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  wfp stuff and then at the
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  end of the show kind of
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  like crossfit season where
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  you're at and how you're
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  going to plan out the rest
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  of the year yeah um and why
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  the strategy you guys took
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  this year was what you did
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  yeah absolutely uh so so
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  wfp was this last weekend
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  um you did okay yeah we did okay
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  OK.
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  And so you go to Indianapolis.
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  First of all,
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  a lot of word out there that
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  like the athletes got
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  shuttled from the from the
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  airport to the hotel.
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  A lot of like little things
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  that were done for the athletes.
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  You as a coach,
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  anything done for you or
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  were you with Alex or how
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  did that go for you?
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  Yeah,
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  she got in a little earlier than I did.
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  I flew in on Thursday,
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  so I flew in the day before.
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  I think in general,
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  just comparing historically
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  things we've had to deal with,
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  I just think we had a lot of access,
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  which is nice.
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  A lot of access...
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  in various ways, you know, not just,
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  you know,
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  having a dedicated spot to watch, but,
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  but, um, I think access in the sense of,
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  of having our opinions heard,
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  which I think is important.
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  Um, and that's not always been the case,
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  um, you know,
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  depending on who kind of is in charge,
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  right.
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  Uh, I'm out of,
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  I've talked several times in the past on,
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  on various podcasts about receiving the,
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  uh,
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  the email from,
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  from CrossFit telling
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  coaches that you're
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  spectators with limited access.
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  And that,
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  that always kind of felt like a gut shot.
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  I was felt like that was disrespectful and,
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  and, and whatnot.
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  But, you know, in general,
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  I would say the last few years,
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  we've definitely had more access in,
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  in CrossFit too.
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  And I felt like this was, you know,
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  along those lines, like,
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  you know more access uh
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  opinions being able to be
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  heard you know we were able
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  to kind of talk to uh the
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  powers that be there about
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  um you know the events and
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  and in our opinions of them
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  which I think is important
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  uh and in general yeah I
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  thought uh overall
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  obviously it was nice to
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  see the athletes being
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  taken care of and uh in
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  general though I just you
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  know I I think going in I
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  wasn't sure what to expect
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  and and obviously I think I left um
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  you know,
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  feeling very positive about the weekend.
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  I know it was on social media a lot.
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  Some of their behind the
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  scenes where like they all had lockers.
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  They had a locker room.
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  It had like a loofah in it.
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  It had some snacks.
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  Yeah.
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  And what it reminded me of
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  is I saw a thing with Mark
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  Cuban a few years back when
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  he first bought the Dallas
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  Mavericks and trying to get
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  free agents to come to the
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  Mavericks as opposed to other teams.
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  Right.
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  And he found that like,
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  It's the little things that
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  bring the free agents, not big things.
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  It was like having a
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  bathrobe in your locker.
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  was a big deal to the players, right?
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  Not like expensive gifts or
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  things like that.
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  Just taking care of these
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  little tiny things made all
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  the difference in the world.
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  And that's what it reminded
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  me of when I saw the behind the scenes.
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  It seemed like the WFP said,
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  how can we do the little
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  things just to take a
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  little bit off the athlete
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  to make them feel special?
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  Sure.
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  Yeah, I think that's important.
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  I mean, listen,
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  I think the fact that you have Will,
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  you know,
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  who's obviously a former very
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  high level athlete,
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  still a very high level athlete, right?
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  I mean,
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  just won the games not too long ago
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  in the thirty five or
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  thirty nine division.
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  um but I think that helps
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  you know and and having him
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  be an og there and
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  obviously saxon as well and
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  I I think that you know
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  there are some things that
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  they understand coming from
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  an athlete perspective I
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  think that you know kind of
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  kind of sweetens the pot a
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  little bit and and make
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  things a little bit more
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  enjoyable um but listen
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  it's not to say that in the
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  past you know obviously
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  I mean,
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  I remember the – I don't remember
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  exactly which game and which sponsor.
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  I think it was probably Noble.
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  But I remember some of the
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  bells and whistles with
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  those locker rooms and the big things.
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  So I definitely think that
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  we've seen that in the past,
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  but I certainly think that
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  they did a really nice job
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  of making the athletes feel
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  special and feel heard.
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  And I think that that goes a long way.
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  um when when the athletes
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  feel that type of respect
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  and and that's great you
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  know um I but again I I
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  want to be careful you know
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  that we don't pit kind of
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  crossfit versus wfb because
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  I don't think it's that way
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  and I think we've seen in
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  the past there have been a lot of um
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  instances, you know, in,
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  in CrossFit at the games
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  and things like that,
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  where that's also been the case.
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  We've also seen it where it
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  hasn't been the case.
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  So, you know, I think it,
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  but I think it's important that it's,
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  you know,
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  we don't kind of pin the two
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  against each other because
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  I feel like right now that's,
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  That's the thing that I'm
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  having the most trouble
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  with in the community right
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  now is I just kind of feel
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  like people want to pin the
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  two against each other.
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  And I'm hopeful that we can open it up and,
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  you know,
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  everyone can work together to try to,
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  you know, push the CrossFit, the sport,
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  the methodology, you know, WFP.
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  I mean,
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  I'd like to see it all be
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  successful because it
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  creates opportunities.
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  It creates opportunities for athletes,
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  for coaches.
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  Um, and,
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  and that's not a bad thing when
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  there are opportunities.
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  So, you know, that's, that's,
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  that's my biggest takeaway, you know, um,
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  from the last several
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  months is just trying to, uh, you know,
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  hope, hoping that, that,
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  that all these things can
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  kind of work together.
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  So I'm going to take a
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  slightly different approach.
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  Yeah.
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  And I don't,
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  and I'm not in one camp or the other.
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  I, I like them both.
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  Yep.
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  Um, but I, I,
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  I think they should be pitted
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  against each other because
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  that's how things get better.
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  It's when you have competition.
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  Just like a good athlete
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  wants to go up against
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  another great athlete to
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  see where they stand,
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  to see how they can improve,
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  to see where they can get better.
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  If you don't have true competition,
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  which CrossFit has not had
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  for twenty years,
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  and left to its own devices
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  without that competition,
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  has not made significant
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  improvements that have been
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  clamored for for years.
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  Sure.
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  I agree with that.
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  But I also think if you look
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  in the history of sports
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  with like two different leagues,
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  say like AFL, NFL, ABA, NBA,
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  when they actually merged
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  and kind of came together eventually,
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  that's when things exploded.
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  Right.
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  So I think that there I
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  think you what you say has merit.
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  But I also think that ultimately, you know,
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  my my fear is is is that, you know, that
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  that ultimately they,
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  they break each other down, you know?
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  So,
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  so my hope is that that's not the case
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  and that, and that, you know, what,
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  what the WFP is, what CrossFit is,
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  they can,
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  they can exist symbiotically in
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  my opinion, but you know,
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  I could be pie in the sky, right?
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  Like I could have that,
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  that view could be
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  completely pie in the sky.
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  So.
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  I don't disagree with the
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  inevitability of coming together.
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  Right.
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  But I think that,
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  Someone had to tell CrossFit
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  to take a shit or get off the pot.
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  Right.
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  I understand what you're saying.
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  Because we have been... I've
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  been in this media space
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  for five and a half years.
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  Yeah.
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  The entire time it's been,
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  can't we do better?
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  Can't we do better?
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  Right.
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  And I think what's...
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  frustrating to me as I look
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  at a crossfit game season
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  this year that is harder to
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  explain than it's ever been
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  yeah and then you have the
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  wfp which is coming in with
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  a very streamlined but if
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  you are not a golf fan or a
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  tennis fan or a formula one
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  fan you don't really see
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  the whole picture yet
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  right right and I am a fan
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  of all those so I think I
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  understand it right better
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  in the vision um but when I
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  was watching your show the
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  other day you know with
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  jamie and and uh carolyn
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  obviously and I jamie was
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  kind of losing it a little bit and I was
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  I was on your side there saying, no,
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  as far as the challengers, as far as this,
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  as far as that,
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  it makes sense in these other sports.
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  It works.
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  And so if we just give it a
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  little bit of time,
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  I think that that will work.
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  But I can certainly
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  understand why people would be confused.
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  But, you know,
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  I was thinking of it in the
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  sense of like Q School for the PGA Tour,
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  right?
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  Like, yeah, it's really hard to qualify.
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  It's really hard to go from
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  being a qualifier to the PGA Tour.
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  Some people do it seven times, eight times,
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  ten times.
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  That means like seven years, eight years,
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  nine years,
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  ten years before they finally get there.
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  Yeah, it's really, really, really hard.
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  And that's, you know, I kind of feel like,
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  yeah, that's the way it should be.
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  It should be really,
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  really difficult to be, you know,
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  one of the top twenty.
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  Now, of course,
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  the top twenty this year were chosen.
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  And in next year,
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  it's going to be different
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  because that really muddies the water.
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  yeah chosen twenty has
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  muddied the water a hundred
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  percent but but you know
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  what you got to give it a
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  place to start there has to
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  be a place to start and
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  then you know over the next
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  few years you you're going
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  to see like yeah okay those
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  twenty have have deserved
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  to be there and now okay to get
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  You know,
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  now to get there is going to be
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  really challenging and it's
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  and it's going to be no pun intended.
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  Right.
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  With the challenger division.
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  But it's going to be very challenging.
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  And I think but I think
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  it'll create great stories.
• 15:27
  You know, obviously,
• 15:28
  one of the things that we
• 15:29
  can talk about today is, you know,
• 15:30
  how do we make things better?
• 15:32
  y'all coming off this
• 15:33
  weekend how do we make
• 15:34
  things better and all that
• 15:35
  stuff but yeah I I you know
• 15:37
  if you want to start at the
• 15:38
  beginning and go through
• 15:40
  that'd be great you know
• 15:41
  we've kind of taken a
• 15:42
  little bit of a tangential
• 15:43
  turn with the crossfit
• 15:44
  versus wfp which I don't
• 15:46
  want to spend the whole
• 15:47
  time this one thing and
• 15:49
  then we'll go back to the
• 15:50
  beginning and that is it
• 15:51
  was just announced today I
• 15:53
  think a rule change that
• 15:54
  they came up with this week
• 15:56
  that is the highest
• 15:57
  finishing challenger yeah
• 15:59
  automatic bid to the next tour stop yeah
• 16:02
  So Colton Mertens and FISA
• 16:04
  got an automatic bid to tour stop too.
• 16:05
  Yeah.
• 16:06
  They were the highest
• 16:07
  finishing challenger in this.
• 16:09
  And I like that rule.
• 16:11
  I saw that.
• 16:11
  I like it as well.
• 16:12
  Yeah.
• 16:13
  As long as it's still earned.
• 16:15
  I just kind of I mean I just
• 16:17
  kind of laugh because I
• 16:18
  mean I already saw a couple
• 16:19
  of responses like oh we're
• 16:20
  just making up rules as we
• 16:22
  go and I meanwhile the last
• 16:23
  chance qualifier just came
• 16:25
  out yesterday so it's like
• 16:27
  I was laughing because it's
• 16:28
  like no matter where you
• 16:29
  look in this space right
• 16:30
  now it just seems like
• 16:31
  things are just kind of
• 16:32
  made up and happening as we
• 16:34
  go which is I have left
• 16:35
  just for the last item
• 16:37
  yeah which is just funny
• 16:39
  because it's it's just the
• 16:40
  way things have been for so
• 16:41
  long so it's not surprising
• 16:43
  that all of a sudden you
• 16:44
  know there's a new rule
• 16:45
  there but yeah I'm I'm fine
• 16:47
  with it I mean obviously
• 16:48
  like let's you know colton
• 16:50
  and fee are obviously two
• 16:52
  of the top right now
• 16:53
  there's no doubt they're
• 16:54
  having great seasons they
• 16:56
  are all not just wfp
• 16:57
  correct um so yeah well
• 17:00
  earned for sure so
• 17:03
  From your perspective,
• 17:04
  let's go back to the beginning.
• 17:05
  What was your experience like?
• 17:07
  Let's start with what were
• 17:09
  all the good things you saw
• 17:11
  and what was your
• 17:12
  experience like this weekend?
• 17:14
  Sure.
• 17:15
  Well, I think, you know,
• 17:17
  first and foremost,
• 17:18
  I was very impressed with the venue,
• 17:20
  super impressed with the setup.
• 17:23
  The warm up space was
• 17:24
  absolutely incredible.
• 17:25
  You know,
• 17:27
  the the areas that they had for
• 17:30
  the for the pros, you know,
• 17:32
  for the athletes in general
• 17:35
  were very impressive.
• 17:37
  I thought that the
• 17:38
  communication was excellent
• 17:41
  as far as the briefings and
• 17:43
  as far as understanding
• 17:46
  when and where we needed to be.
• 17:47
  I thought all those things
• 17:48
  were done extremely well,
• 17:50
  extremely professionally.
• 17:52
  I heard it said that because
• 17:53
  they gave the workouts out ahead of time,
• 17:56
  it actually made the
• 17:57
  briefings easier because
• 17:58
  people had time to digest
• 18:00
  it and kind of figure it
• 18:01
  out on their own.
• 18:02
  And so it made the briefing
• 18:03
  go much quicker.
• 18:05
  Yeah.
• 18:05
  I think also they did that
• 18:07
  video of kind of the flows
• 18:08
  of the workouts, you know, um, where,
• 18:11
  where they,
• 18:12
  they had that kind of AI thing that was,
• 18:13
  that was doing it, the arrow.
• 18:15
  Um, and, um,
• 18:18
  But yeah, I thought that was great.
• 18:19
  I also thought that they
• 18:21
  were listening to feedback
• 18:22
  in the briefings.
• 18:24
  And in some of the briefings,
• 18:26
  they changed a couple of
• 18:28
  the rules or a few of the
• 18:32
  movement standards per se.
• 18:34
  One being where you couldn't
• 18:36
  re-rack the jerk.
• 18:37
  And I think they realized like, hey,
• 18:41
  if we want to make this more exciting, we
• 18:44
  it's better if we let them
• 18:46
  re-rack it because we
• 18:48
  ultimately what we were
• 18:48
  going to do anyway was was
• 18:50
  you know people were going
• 18:51
  to jerk the bar re-rack it
• 18:53
  and then walk it into the
• 18:55
  rack and and they were just
• 18:57
  going to take a no rep for
• 18:59
  the first couple reps until
• 19:00
  they got to the number that
• 19:02
  they wanted to hit and then
• 19:03
  would drop it you know what
• 19:04
  I mean so it it ultimately
• 19:06
  made made more sense that
• 19:07
  way and I think they they
• 19:08
  did a good job of of listening and and um
• 19:12
  Yeah, I was very impressed overall.
• 19:16
  You know,
• 19:16
  that's not to say obviously
• 19:17
  things were perfect, but without question,
• 19:21
  you know, I thought for a first event,
• 19:24
  I thought they did a very good job.
• 19:26
  And I think in general,
• 19:28
  all of us came away feeling, you know,
• 19:30
  very good about it.
• 19:31
  the event uh feeling very
• 19:33
  good about uh the season
• 19:35
  and and you know I mean if
• 19:37
  they can repeat this and
• 19:38
  obviously continue to level
• 19:40
  up it's it's gonna be um
• 19:42
  you know it's gonna be great
• 19:44
  they said over and over
• 19:45
  again in the behind the
• 19:46
  scenes and different things
• 19:47
  that they wanted to hear feedback.
• 19:50
  Yep.
• 19:50
  So were there items that you
• 19:52
  thought needed to get
• 19:53
  better for tour stop two or next season?
• 19:57
  Yeah.
• 19:57
  Your experience this weekend.
• 19:59
  Yeah, for sure.
• 20:00
  I mean, I spoke a little bit to,
• 20:02
  to them already, but I'll, I'll have,
• 20:03
  I'll have another call or
• 20:06
  two to go through a few more things,
• 20:08
  but yeah,
• 20:10
  I think ultimately,
• 20:11
  I thought the GHD standard
• 20:14
  was really shitty.
• 20:19
  I'm not a fan of GHD sit-ups
• 20:21
  in competition in general.
• 20:23
  I think they're awful in competition.
• 20:26
  That's just me.
• 20:26
  It's my personal opinion.
• 20:27
  They're not fun to watch.
• 20:29
  People try to skirt the rules.
• 20:31
  It's very hard to watch.
• 20:35
  uphold standards I mean I
• 20:36
  think we even saw it at
• 20:37
  mayhem too you know and
• 20:39
  then obviously in the in
• 20:40
  the uh semi-finals online
• 20:42
  semi-finals a bunch of
• 20:43
  people got penalized
• 20:44
  because they're trying to
• 20:45
  skirt the rules you know
• 20:46
  where's your hips and you
• 20:48
  know is in the middle is it
• 20:50
  depending on how somebody's
• 20:51
  body is made up it changes
• 20:53
  where they can be etc
• 20:57
  The only standard at WFP was
• 21:00
  touch the pad in front.
• 21:01
  Correct.
• 21:02
  Anything goes.
• 21:03
  Anything went.
• 21:04
  Right.
• 21:04
  And I've said,
• 21:05
  and Jamie and I have this
• 21:06
  fight all the time.
• 21:07
  I'd rather have no standard
• 21:09
  than a standard that's not upheld.
• 21:12
  Yes.
• 21:12
  At least it's a fair playing field.
• 21:14
  Correct.
• 21:14
  So that I completely understand.
• 21:16
  And it takes the
• 21:17
  subjectivity out of it for the judges,
• 21:19
  which I know is a lot easier.
• 21:21
  The problem is, is then the workout,
• 21:24
  the way it's written and intended,
• 21:26
  you're not getting that stimulus at all,
• 21:28
  right?
• 21:28
  It just becomes a who's the
• 21:30
  fastest at cheating GHDs ultimately.
• 21:34
  And that's not the intention
• 21:37
  of the workout.
• 21:38
  Like that workout actually
• 21:39
  was pretty nasty.
• 21:40
  I hated that so much.
• 21:41
  What's that?
• 21:42
  Carolyn hated that so much.
• 21:43
  Oh, it was terrible.
• 21:44
  And I saw her videos.
• 21:45
  Great.
• 21:46
  But yeah, we hated it.
• 21:48
  And Alex doesn't train them that way.
• 21:50
  So you had like, but honestly,
• 21:52
  two hours before the event, Alex,
• 21:55
  we're trying to learn that
• 21:56
  way because the truth of the matter is,
• 21:58
  if you don't, you're going to get smoked.
• 22:00
  Because you see people doing
• 22:02
  them next to you and you're like,
• 22:03
  holy shit, that's just so fast.
• 22:05
  You can't compete doing them
• 22:07
  the way that they're supposed to be done,
• 22:09
  the way you learn them in a level one.
• 22:11
  So my thing is,
• 22:13
  if we're not going to do
• 22:14
  them the way that we're
• 22:16
  taught and the way that they're intended,
• 22:19
  then let's not do them at all.
• 22:20
  Um, and, and, you know, so,
• 22:22
  so ultimately that was one of the things,
• 22:24
  um, you know,
• 22:26
  I think obviously some of
• 22:27
  the lighting stuff I enjoyed,
• 22:29
  but then we need to make
• 22:30
  sure timing wise that we're not, you know,
• 22:33
  blacking out when people
• 22:34
  are still lifting.
• 22:35
  I mean, but those are all things that like,
• 22:38
  you know, listen, it's a, it's a first go,
• 22:39
  you know,
• 22:40
  like you're going to have some
• 22:41
  growing pains without question.
• 22:42
  You're going to have some growing pains.
• 22:44
  think I love I love the red
• 22:46
  light at the end of the
• 22:47
  yeah at the time but in a
• 22:49
  lifting event and you're
• 22:50
  allowed to go beyond the
• 22:51
  time as long as you're off
• 22:52
  the rack that you have to
• 22:54
  make an exception for that
• 22:56
  hundred percent yes hundred
• 22:57
  percent and I don't think
• 22:59
  that you know obviously
• 22:59
  they missed that but um I
• 23:02
  think more important than anything
• 23:04
  and something that I think
• 23:08
  they will do this because I
• 23:10
  think ultimately it lends
• 23:12
  itself well to being
• 23:17
  televised or kind of
• 23:19
  creating a reality series or something.
• 23:22
  I mean, we've talked about it before.
• 23:24
  I've always been a proponent of
• 23:26
  of trying to create you know
• 23:28
  a drive to survive feel or
• 23:31
  a you know a full full
• 23:33
  swing right I think it's
• 23:34
  what it's called and you
• 23:35
  know um I I think that we
• 23:39
  can't just treat these as
• 23:42
  fitness events like the
• 23:43
  same old thing that we've
• 23:45
  always done where you you
• 23:46
  stream it and that's all
• 23:48
  you get right I think ultimately you know
• 23:52
  we're going to need to go an
• 23:54
  extra mile and that means
• 23:56
  you know how cool would it
• 23:57
  have been to have the
• 23:59
  behind the scenes of going
• 24:01
  into the final event where
• 24:02
  you've got the men's and
• 24:03
  the women's field really up
• 24:05
  for grabs and you mic up
• 24:08
  those athletes and coaches
• 24:09
  and you get all that you
• 24:12
  know behind the scenes look
• 24:14
  of warm-ups and strategy
• 24:16
  talk and everything leading
• 24:19
  into that final event and
• 24:20
  then kind of you know
• 24:22
  having us and stans mic'd
• 24:24
  up during the event and
• 24:25
  then after to kind of you
• 24:27
  know bring that drama to
• 24:28
  everybody to me that's the
• 24:30
  type of stuff that they're
• 24:31
  going to need to do in the future
• 24:32
  We need to see those things.
• 24:35
  This needs to be a story
• 24:38
  that people want to watch
• 24:40
  that creates drama.
• 24:42
  Because if it's just another fitness event,
• 24:45
  to me,
• 24:46
  I just don't know if that's going
• 24:47
  to attract more than just the niche.
• 24:52
  And we need this to attract the masses.
• 24:55
  And I think it can, because again,
• 24:57
  I always say these are
• 24:58
  superhumans doing superhuman things.
• 25:01
  And people love to watch that.
• 25:03
  It's inspiring.
• 25:04
  And ultimately,
• 25:06
  if you can create those stories,
• 25:09
  I think that that's going
• 25:10
  to give you a leg up on everything else.
• 25:13
  So I'm hoping that that's
• 25:15
  something that's created in the future.
• 25:17
  Well, I'm a massive full swing fan.
• 25:19
  I mean,
• 25:21
  I watched more masters this year
• 25:22
  than I have because of that,
• 25:25
  but they had a great final
• 25:27
  event that ending on those lunges,
• 25:30
  double overhead lunges made
• 25:32
  for great drama.
• 25:34
  But if you added mics to the
• 25:37
  people that risked it and
• 25:38
  didn't make it and the
• 25:40
  amount of drama that would
• 25:41
  be added to that would be insane.
• 25:44
  Right.
• 25:45
  Correct.
• 25:46
  And I mean, just the,
• 25:48
  just thinking about the warmups prior to,
• 25:50
  you know,
• 25:51
  and the things that Alex and I
• 25:52
  are talking about and the, you know,
• 25:53
  you can see the tension.
• 25:55
  And I mean,
• 25:55
  obviously she had a lead going
• 25:57
  into the final month,
• 25:58
  but it wasn't a comfortable lead, right?
• 26:00
  I mean,
• 26:00
  she ended up winning by fifty points,
• 26:01
  but that doesn't tell the
• 26:03
  true story of the weekend.
• 26:04
  I mean, it was up for grabs, right?
• 26:06
  Like she had to beat Amy.
• 26:08
  She had, you know, Laura was in,
• 26:10
  was stalking.
• 26:11
  And obviously when Laura
• 26:12
  Horvath is stalking, I mean, you know,
• 26:14
  you, you think, oh shit,
• 26:15
  she's got a shot.
• 26:16
  Right.
• 26:17
  Uh,
• 26:17
  and there were still even other people
• 26:19
  that,
• 26:19
  that could have gotten in the mix if
• 26:21
  Laura,
• 26:21
  something that happened like
• 26:22
  what happened to jeff had
• 26:23
  happened to alex right if
• 26:24
  she drops the dumbbell and
• 26:26
  and and all of a sudden you
• 26:28
  know she comes in fifteenth
• 26:29
  sixteenth seventeenth she
• 26:31
  she wouldn't have won um so
• 26:33
  I think people would be
• 26:34
  interested in that I think
• 26:35
  people would be interested
• 26:36
  in in you know kind of what
• 26:37
  we were talking about prior
• 26:39
  to and what the other
• 26:40
  athletes and their coaches
• 26:41
  are talking about I think
• 26:42
  people love that stuff they
• 26:44
  love the insight I also
• 26:45
  think it helps them and
• 26:47
  gives them insight
• 26:48
  into their training, into, you know,
• 26:51
  especially for athletes,
• 26:52
  young athletes that are
• 26:53
  just getting into competing
• 26:55
  and coaches who are trying to, you know,
• 26:57
  kind of level up and get to
• 26:59
  the level of coaching elite athletes.
• 27:00
  I'm sure they'd be
• 27:01
  interested in kind of
• 27:02
  seeing how we're prepping
• 27:03
  the athletes or talking, you know,
• 27:06
  all that stuff, you know, the mental side,
• 27:09
  the physical side, the emotional side,
• 27:11
  because all of it's a part of it.
• 27:13
  And to me,
• 27:14
  it just makes things so much
• 27:16
  more exciting.
• 27:17
  So let me ask you this question then.
• 27:19
  Sure.
• 27:19
  And someone who is well
• 27:21
  ingrained in the space.
• 27:22
  Yeah.
• 27:23
  Do you think we have enough
• 27:24
  athletes that would be
• 27:25
  willing to be miked up in
• 27:27
  those situations?
• 27:29
  And because yeah,
• 27:32
  if you're not in that final event, you,
• 27:35
  you don't look good.
• 27:37
  Yeah.
• 27:38
  And that's what makes the full swing.
• 27:39
  Like so good is yeah.
• 27:42
  There are golfers that shit
• 27:43
  the bed and they still are
• 27:45
  willing to go on camera and
• 27:47
  talk about shitting the bed.
• 27:48
  Scott, if people, if,
• 27:50
  if our athletes are not
• 27:51
  willing to do that, then they, I mean,
• 27:55
  this is going to be harsh.
• 27:56
  Then, then they shouldn't,
• 27:58
  we shouldn't allow them to
• 27:59
  compete in this.
• 28:00
  Here's the deal.
• 28:01
  We aren't the NFL.
• 28:02
  We aren't the NBA.
• 28:04
  We aren't major league baseball.
• 28:05
  There's no guarantee this
• 28:06
  sports around in the next two years,
• 28:08
  three years, four years.
• 28:09
  like if they don't have that
• 28:10
  understanding that like
• 28:12
  they want to be athletes
• 28:13
  and make money if you don't
• 28:15
  have the understanding that
• 28:16
  the way to do that is to
• 28:18
  build a bigger following
• 28:20
  with more spectators and
• 28:21
  more money and all those
• 28:22
  things if you don't do that
• 28:24
  stuff then you don't you
• 28:25
  don't deserve to compete in
• 28:26
  my opinion like
• 28:28
  Everyone should be willing
• 28:29
  to bend over backwards to
• 28:31
  do whatever we have to do
• 28:32
  to drive the sport.
• 28:34
  And if people don't understand that,
• 28:36
  then they need to get the
• 28:37
  hell out of the way and get
• 28:40
  and allow people that do
• 28:41
  understand that because
• 28:43
  there's not going to be a
• 28:44
  sport for us to do.
• 28:45
  You know what I mean?
• 28:46
  Like that's the bottom line.
• 28:48
  Like we're nowhere near saying, Oh no,
• 28:51
  don't right now.
• 28:52
  No, please don't.
• 28:54
  No, that's, that's not the way it is.
• 28:55
  You know, you need to,
• 28:57
  you need to understand that
• 28:58
  like the media side of things right now.
• 29:00
  And we're in the twenty
• 29:01
  first century like that.
• 29:03
  That's the way this thing takes off.
• 29:05
  Bottom line.
• 29:08
  I can't tell you how many
• 29:09
  people I have had trouble
• 29:10
  getting on this show
• 29:12
  because we do it live.
• 29:14
  Yeah.
• 29:15
  But I, okay.
• 29:16
  That's different in the
• 29:18
  sense of you're asking
• 29:19
  questions and they're responding.
• 29:21
  Like this is, this is different.
• 29:23
  Like this is different in the sense of,
• 29:25
  you know, people are just,
• 29:28
  you're just living,
• 29:28
  you're just being candid, right?
• 29:30
  Like,
• 29:30
  it's not like you're asking a
• 29:32
  question and they're being
• 29:33
  put on the spot or, you know,
• 29:34
  I think people sometimes
• 29:35
  aren't great on the mic, you know,
• 29:37
  but I mean.
• 29:38
  It's touching the people
• 29:39
  that are rooting for you.
• 29:40
  Like it's a way to have a touch.
• 29:42
  It has to.
• 29:43
  And that builds your brand,
• 29:46
  which helps build the sport.
• 29:49
  I don't think enough of the
• 29:50
  athletes see the long-term picture.
• 29:53
  And if it's not micing up
• 29:54
  the athlete per se,
• 29:56
  it's having the cameras back there.
• 29:57
  You can mic up the coaches.
• 29:58
  You could put microphones on the floor.
• 30:00
  There's ways to do it.
• 30:02
  They do it, right?
• 30:03
  I mean, there's ways to figure it out.
• 30:05
  There's no question that we can do it.
• 30:07
  And I would be exploring all
• 30:09
  of those options, you know,
• 30:11
  if I was in charge of media for WFP.
• 30:14
  Like to me,
• 30:17
  we've got to create the stories.
• 30:19
  I'm in full agreement with you.
• 30:20
  Okay.
• 30:21
  I think it needs to be done.
• 30:22
  Yes.
• 30:23
  I just, that's the one hurdle I see.
• 30:25
  Yeah.
• 30:26
  Well, don't allow it to be a hurdle.
• 30:30
  That's it.
• 30:31
  Have people sign shit.
• 30:33
  Listen,
• 30:34
  when we go to Rogue and they want
• 30:35
  to use everybody's name, image,
• 30:37
  and likeness, you sign a contract.
• 30:41
  They've been using Alex's name, image,
• 30:43
  and likeness on that
• 30:44
  commercial on YouTube that
• 30:45
  I know everybody's seen
• 30:46
  where she's doing a deadlift.
• 30:48
  I've seen it five thousand times.
• 30:49
  She doesn't make a dime from that.
• 30:51
  OK,
• 30:52
  but she signed on the dotted line that
• 30:54
  says they can use it.
• 30:56
  So they use it like that's the way it is.
• 30:59
  That's what I would do.
• 30:59
  I'd be like, listen,
• 31:00
  we're we're creating a
• 31:03
  reality series to package
• 31:05
  to take to Netflix or to
• 31:06
  take to Amazon Prime or to
• 31:07
  take to Red Bull TV.
• 31:09
  And, you know,
• 31:10
  we're going to be doing this.
• 31:11
  We're going to be doing this.
• 31:12
  We're going to be doing this.
• 31:13
  Please sign.
• 31:14
  And if you don't want to sign,
• 31:15
  you won't compete like
• 31:16
  that's the way it is.
• 31:18
  I mean, that's the bottom line.
• 31:21
  People have to understand
• 31:22
  that we are in no position
• 31:24
  to make demands or to be
• 31:29
  cavalier about helping the
• 31:33
  media get what they need to get.
• 31:36
  Do you think that the people
• 31:39
  that you've talked to at
• 31:40
  WFP are inclined to do
• 31:41
  something like this?
• 31:42
  I think so.
• 31:43
  I think they're...
• 31:44
  I think they're inclined to
• 31:45
  do whatever it takes to be successful,
• 31:51
  obviously within reason,
• 31:53
  but I believe that they understand that,
• 31:58
  yes,
• 31:59
  that's something that would be a good
• 32:01
  move and something that ultimately
• 32:03
  when you look at the niche
• 32:05
  sports that have blown up, you know,
• 32:08
  from UFC to, I mean,
• 32:10
  I'm not going to say F
• 32:11
  one's a niche sport per se.
• 32:13
  I mean, obviously it was,
• 32:14
  it was big prior to,
• 32:15
  but compared to where it is
• 32:16
  now after drive to survive, I mean,
• 32:18
  just the proof is in the pudding,
• 32:20
  the tour de France, same thing, you know,
• 32:22
  with that reality show.
• 32:24
  And there's so many cases now that,
• 32:26
  you know, so many instances where,
• 32:28
  uh and examples that we see
• 32:30
  of of sports that have gone
• 32:33
  to the next level in
• 32:34
  popularity because of a
• 32:36
  reality series yeah I think
• 32:39
  the golden ticket is if you
• 32:40
  can get on netflix as a
• 32:41
  niche sport you got a shot
• 32:43
  yep definitely for sure any
• 32:47
  any of the big streaming
• 32:48
  services though it's a
• 32:49
  netflix or amazon prime you
• 32:51
  know any of those are
• 32:52
  pretty good but obviously
• 32:53
  netflix is gold standard
• 32:55
  Yeah.
• 32:55
  And they were the first to do it.
• 32:56
  I mean,
• 32:56
  they're the ones that have full
• 32:57
  swing and drive to survive and the,
• 33:00
  the tour de France one and like,
• 33:02
  they're just killing it and
• 33:03
  they're sprint.
• 33:05
  I love that one.
• 33:06
  The one with the sprinters, the athletes,
• 33:08
  like the Olympic sprinters, no allows.
• 33:11
  Oh, it's so good.
• 33:13
  It's great.
• 33:14
  When I finished full swing,
• 33:15
  I'll jump into that one.
• 33:16
  It's really good.
• 33:17
  Yep.
• 33:17
  Um, so you had a, you had a great weekend.
• 33:20
  Alex ends up winning the first tour stop.
• 33:24
  Yeah.
• 33:25
  You and I've, gosh,
• 33:26
  we've been talking for five years now.
• 33:28
  Yeah.
• 33:29
  Back and forth.
• 33:31
  You have told me over and
• 33:32
  over again that she has all the tools.
• 33:34
  Yeah.
• 33:35
  Just putting them together.
• 33:36
  Yeah.
• 33:37
  This is probably her biggest
• 33:38
  win with the field she went up against.
• 33:41
  Oh, a hundred percent.
• 33:41
  It's the best field in the sport right now,
• 33:43
  minus Tia.
• 33:45
  And to win by fifty?
• 33:48
  Yeah.
• 33:49
  Right.
• 33:51
  Do you see it coming together?
• 33:53
  Yes.
• 33:54
  not where we're going to be
• 33:56
  but yes uh still things
• 34:00
  that um I would say you
• 34:04
  know I've always talked
• 34:04
  about creating a
• 34:06
  bulletproof athlete right
• 34:08
  where programming doesn't
• 34:09
  matter uh and I and I think
• 34:12
  we're getting closer to
• 34:13
  that we're not there yet um
• 34:16
  but you can see you know
• 34:20
  Historically, that first event,
• 34:24
  which had two of her
• 34:25
  quote-unquote weaknesses,
• 34:27
  running and snatching in it,
• 34:30
  and her ability to stay in
• 34:33
  the mix and finish sixth.
• 34:38
  That was a workout, I would say,
• 34:41
  historically,
• 34:42
  that she finishes probably
• 34:43
  somewhere in the middle of the pack,
• 34:46
  probably right around
• 34:47
  fifteenth to twentieth.
• 34:50
  And now being able to finish
• 34:51
  there is huge.
• 34:53
  Her worst finish of the
• 34:54
  weekend was that GHD workout.
• 34:57
  And that simply was because
• 34:58
  of the GHD standard.
• 35:00
  She's just not super fast at
• 35:03
  that standard.
• 35:04
  But that's a handstand walk
• 35:07
  event that in the past, again,
• 35:09
  would be a huge challenge for her.
• 35:10
  And that's getting much better.
• 35:13
  So the things that we knew
• 35:16
  we needed to get better at,
• 35:18
  the things that we've been prioritizing,
• 35:20
  it's really nice to see
• 35:23
  those things paying off,
• 35:25
  to see those things
• 35:26
  improving and to see the progression.
• 35:28
  But more than anything,
• 35:31
  I would say just our
• 35:33
  composure in that final
• 35:36
  event where we knew exactly
• 35:40
  what we needed to do
• 35:42
  And there was no panic.
• 35:45
  there was absolutely no drama from her.
• 35:48
  Like she was steady as a rock.
• 35:51
  She finished third in the event.
• 35:53
  She was in control the entire time.
• 35:56
  You know,
• 35:57
  the overhead walking lunges is
• 35:58
  not her favorite movement,
• 35:59
  but we've gotten it to the
• 36:01
  stage where she feels confident.
• 36:03
  You know,
• 36:03
  she felt confident in those
• 36:04
  twenty five foot sections.
• 36:06
  She did exactly what she did in practice,
• 36:09
  you know, and it was it was just
• 36:13
  And afterwards, I was like, you know,
• 36:15
  you made it like I wasn't losing my mind,
• 36:17
  you know, in the final event,
• 36:18
  like normally I'm losing my mind.
• 36:19
  I wasn't losing my mind.
• 36:20
  You made it very stressless
• 36:22
  for me in that final event.
• 36:24
  I mean,
• 36:24
  I watched her the whole time and
• 36:26
  she just she just was steady Betty,
• 36:28
  you know,
• 36:28
  she finished third in the event
• 36:30
  and she didn't need to try to win,
• 36:32
  but she knew exactly where
• 36:33
  she was looking around.
• 36:34
  There's Amy, there's Laura.
• 36:36
  I know where I need to be.
• 36:37
  let me just finish and not
• 36:39
  create any drama here.
• 36:40
  And it was,
• 36:41
  it was really beautiful to watch,
• 36:43
  to be honest with you.
• 36:45
  And I think things are
• 36:48
  moving in a direction that
• 36:51
  is kind of what I was
• 36:54
  hoping for and expected a few years ago.
• 36:58
  And it,
• 36:59
  to see it happening is just awesome.
• 37:02
  Lynn says,
• 37:02
  I didn't hear Cutler scream once.
• 37:05
  I screamed once.
• 37:06
  I screamed in the first
• 37:07
  event when she came in and
• 37:09
  she passed Laura and Emma on the run.
• 37:14
  I was losing my mind up
• 37:15
  there a little bit just
• 37:16
  because of the fact that we
• 37:19
  just put so much time into running.
• 37:22
  We've been working so hard on it.
• 37:25
  And the last few months,
• 37:28
  I feel like we've really
• 37:29
  dialed in on a program and
• 37:32
  stuff that we really like.
• 37:33
  And
• 37:35
  it's paying off which is
• 37:36
  awesome so now we get into
• 37:39
  the story lines of like now
• 37:40
  you have a thousand points
• 37:42
  right is a thousand or five
• 37:43
  hundred five hundred okay
• 37:44
  five points and you're
• 37:46
  moving on to tour stop two
• 37:48
  yeah it would take an epic
• 37:50
  collapse for her not to
• 37:52
  qualify for copenhagen
• 37:54
  Yeah,
• 37:56
  she's going to qualify for Copenhagen.
• 38:00
  I mean, at this point in time,
• 38:01
  our goal is to win.
• 38:04
  So he's going to win the whole thing,
• 38:08
  which I'm sure there are
• 38:09
  several people who have that same goal.
• 38:12
  But we've put ourselves in
• 38:13
  the best position of anyone
• 38:15
  at this point to win.
• 38:18
  And now I think the key is
• 38:20
  just doing all the things
• 38:21
  that we need to do to
• 38:23
  manage the season to put us
• 38:26
  in the best position to win.
• 38:29
  That's to say that our goal
• 38:30
  is to win the WFP and our
• 38:33
  goal is to win the CrossFit Games.
• 38:35
  So it's both.
• 38:36
  So those kind of scratch
• 38:37
  each other's back because
• 38:38
  the beautiful thing is that
• 38:39
  your preparation for the
• 38:42
  Games is the same as our
• 38:44
  preparation for WFP.
• 38:45
  I mean,
• 38:47
  we're preparing the same way with
• 38:50
  the intention and the hope
• 38:52
  and the goal of winning.
• 38:56
  So this kind of leads to my,
• 38:57
  to my next question.
• 38:58
  And it's a question by the barbell spin.
• 39:00
  Uh,
• 39:00
  how many times should athletes be
• 39:02
  expected to compete in a calendar?
• 39:03
  That's a great question.
• 39:05
  And obviously,
• 39:06
  that's one of the reasons
• 39:07
  why we did not do online semis.
• 39:11
  That was the big reason why
• 39:12
  we didn't do online semis
• 39:14
  was looking at the season and saying,
• 39:17
  okay,
• 39:17
  how can we space the season in a way
• 39:22
  that puts her in the best
• 39:23
  position to succeed and stay healthy?
• 39:27
  um and the one weekend or
• 39:29
  back-to-back weekend that
• 39:31
  we looked at was online
• 39:32
  semis into wfp one and what
• 39:37
  we said was we made an
• 39:39
  agreement uh that we were
• 39:42
  going to try to prioritize
• 39:45
  in-person events
• 39:47
  And that would be where we
• 39:49
  are able to display her fitness.
• 39:52
  Online, just to us,
• 39:55
  it leaves too much for interpretation.
• 40:01
  And we've seen that happen
• 40:02
  now with several women who
• 40:03
  obviously have lost their
• 40:05
  qualifying positions.
• 40:07
  And I guarantee that those women,
• 40:08
  if it was in person,
• 40:09
  would not have lost those
• 40:10
  qualifying positions.
• 40:13
  and and so ultimately you
• 40:15
  know I I know there are
• 40:16
  some that agree with us and
• 40:17
  some that won't and some
• 40:18
  that will criticize us and
• 40:19
  some that won't um but we
• 40:22
  felt very comfortable um
• 40:24
  saying okay we're going to
• 40:26
  bypass online sammies we're
• 40:27
  going to focus on wfp and
• 40:31
  on norcal and those are
• 40:34
  the best opportunities for
• 40:35
  us to achieve our goals, which is one,
• 40:38
  to win the WFP.
• 40:40
  So we put ourselves in a
• 40:41
  really good position
• 40:41
  winning and then go to
• 40:43
  NorCal and qualify out of
• 40:44
  NorCal to get to the CrossFit Games.
• 40:48
  I think with Spin's question
• 40:49
  specifically is I'm not
• 40:51
  sure that we know that yet.
• 40:53
  I think that this season is almost,
• 40:57
  it's a kind of like a test case, you know,
• 41:00
  like we're going to find out
• 41:03
  what's possible.
• 41:04
  And I think at that point,
• 41:06
  we'll be able to adjust moving forward.
• 41:09
  We're lucky in a sense that
• 41:10
  Alex is twenty three.
• 41:12
  Right.
• 41:12
  I mean,
• 41:12
  I think people forget she's still
• 41:14
  only twenty three years old.
• 41:15
  So we're still kind of
• 41:17
  learning those things.
• 41:18
  So the way that I looked at the season was,
• 41:20
  OK, we got WFP a month later.
• 41:23
  We've got NorCal.
• 41:24
  NorCal is local, too.
• 41:26
  So it's it's great for us.
• 41:28
  Same time zone, very short flight.
• 41:31
  There's not a ton of issues with travel.
• 41:34
  Right.
• 41:35
  then we don't have until the games.
• 41:38
  So that's a couple of months,
• 41:40
  which is fantastic.
• 41:43
  It gets a little bit hairy
• 41:44
  at the end of August going into,
• 41:48
  or the games going into Mesa,
• 41:51
  simply because the games
• 41:53
  are generally more taxing
• 41:55
  than any other competition
• 41:56
  during the year, you know,
• 42:00
  and usually you know I'll
• 42:01
  give alex a full month off
• 42:03
  um so you know will we be
• 42:06
  compromised a little bit
• 42:07
  going into mesa possibly
• 42:09
  but I still plan on giving
• 42:11
  her you know at least a
• 42:12
  week or two off after the
• 42:14
  games you know and then
• 42:15
  prepping for mesa um and
• 42:18
  then we don't have anything
• 42:20
  until rogue so we've got
• 42:22
  another few months uh and
• 42:24
  then from rogue there's a
• 42:25
  good possibility she's just
• 42:26
  gonna stay in europe
• 42:28
  for that period of time
• 42:29
  between Rogue and Copenhagen.
• 42:33
  Now, again,
• 42:34
  is this the correct way to do it?
• 42:36
  I'm not sure.
• 42:38
  This is what we think right
• 42:40
  now is the optimal way.
• 42:42
  So that's in person, right?
• 42:45
  That's part of the reason
• 42:46
  why she also didn't compete
• 42:47
  earlier in the year,
• 42:48
  to be perfectly honest, right?
• 42:50
  Like people at Wadapalooza, et cetera.
• 42:51
  She had a little bit of an injury,
• 42:53
  but in general,
• 42:54
  like when we looked at Wadapalooza,
• 42:56
  it was like...
• 42:57
  I don't know.
• 42:58
  It's just, you know,
• 42:59
  we want to have that time
• 43:00
  to be able to train and prepare.
• 43:03
  And, you know, so WFP, you know, NorCal,
• 43:10
  the games, Mesa, Rogue, Copenhagen.
• 43:14
  So we're looking at six events.
• 43:16
  do I think six events in a
• 43:18
  in a you know seven month
• 43:19
  span is a lot yeah it
• 43:21
  definitely is um do I think
• 43:24
  it's possible absolutely I
• 43:25
  think it's possible and I also think
• 43:28
  So we move forward in the
• 43:29
  future of the sport,
• 43:31
  especially if we're going
• 43:31
  to create a season, right?
• 43:36
  Which I have always been a fan of,
• 43:38
  whether it was CrossFit putting it on,
• 43:40
  whether it was WFP.
• 43:41
  I've always been a fan of
• 43:42
  moving more towards having
• 43:44
  a season like the ATP tour,
• 43:46
  like the PGA tour, you know,
• 43:49
  that has multiple, you know,
• 43:51
  tiered events during the
• 43:52
  year where you can create
• 43:54
  points and then you, you know,
• 43:55
  you get that bonus at the end of the year,
• 43:57
  right?
• 43:57
  And I, I've always been a fan of like,
• 44:00
  I love the games obviously,
• 44:01
  but I'd love for the games
• 44:03
  to be maybe one of three
• 44:04
  grand slam events during the year.
• 44:07
  And, you know, again,
• 44:09
  I know a lot of people will say blasphemy,
• 44:12
  but to me, it's, it's part of evolution,
• 44:14
  you know, and to me,
• 44:15
  the evolution of the sport, that's not,
• 44:17
  I don't, I'm not devaluing the games.
• 44:19
  I think the, I mean, I,
• 44:20
  Again, I love CrossFit.
• 44:22
  I owned an affiliate for ten years.
• 44:23
  I've devoted my life to
• 44:25
  introducing people to CrossFit.
• 44:28
  But I think where we are in the sport now,
• 44:31
  I think that for the
• 44:33
  athletes to succeed and for
• 44:34
  this to ultimately become
• 44:36
  something that's sustainable,
• 44:37
  we have to have a real
• 44:38
  season and we have to have
• 44:40
  an opportunity for people
• 44:42
  to see their favorite
• 44:43
  athletes more than once and compete
• 44:48
  together in the best fields
• 44:50
  more than once.
• 44:50
  And we see that in golf and
• 44:52
  we see that in tennis
• 44:53
  specifically in grand slam events.
• 44:54
  And sometimes in the, you know, the, the,
• 44:57
  you know, the tour championship and,
• 44:59
  and obviously in golf and some of those,
• 45:02
  you know,
• 45:02
  kind of really high level events,
• 45:04
  Dubai and Miami, et cetera.
• 45:06
  And I think we can do that in this,
• 45:08
  you know,
• 45:09
  is it going to be perfect right away?
• 45:10
  Absolutely not.
• 45:11
  Is it going to take some time for sure.
• 45:14
  But I do think that it's doable.
• 45:17
  And I think this is the
• 45:18
  first season we're going to
• 45:19
  see athletes kind of step
• 45:21
  out of their comfort zone
• 45:22
  of doing one or two competitions a year.
• 45:25
  And I'm interested to see what happens.
• 45:27
  I do need to apologize.
• 45:28
  I misspoke.
• 45:30
  Alex is a pro.
• 45:31
  She goes to Copenhagen
• 45:32
  regardless of what happens
• 45:33
  in the first two events.
• 45:35
  And I knew that.
• 45:36
  I don't know why it slipped
• 45:37
  my mind when I asked that question,
• 45:38
  but thank you for the reminder.
• 45:42
  So
• 45:46
  So you and Alex sit down,
• 45:49
  you come up with this plan.
• 45:51
  You're really putting all of
• 45:52
  your game season eggs in one basket.
• 45:55
  Yeah, but with two openings.
• 45:58
  So what?
• 45:58
  Isn't that the way it's always been?
• 46:02
  Think about regionals.
• 46:03
  Think about semis the last several years.
• 46:06
  You get one freaking shot and then,
• 46:08
  you know,
• 46:08
  they throw the last chance qualifier.
• 46:10
  But here's a little bigger,
• 46:13
  five spots or ten spots or
• 46:16
  not back in the day at three.
• 46:17
  You had three spots.
• 46:19
  I mean, I'm an OG, man.
• 46:20
  I was around where you had three spots,
• 46:22
  you know, and you went to regionals,
• 46:23
  northeast regionals, you know,
• 46:25
  my question.
• 46:27
  Yeah.
• 46:29
  My question is,
• 46:30
  you were that confident in
• 46:32
  your ability that two spots is fine?
• 46:34
  A hundred percent.
• 46:35
  Okay.
• 46:38
  Without question.
• 46:40
  If I wasn't, we would have never done it.
• 46:43
  Yeah.
• 46:45
  I mean, yes.
• 46:47
  I'm not a fan of all these chances too.
• 46:49
  You know,
• 46:50
  you've seen people have three and
• 46:52
  four chances to make the games.
• 46:54
  I think it's absurd.
• 46:55
  Yeah.
• 46:56
  You know,
• 46:56
  I like the I like you get one shot, man.
• 46:59
  You know, that was that was the deal.
• 47:02
  Like, that's the way it was last year.
• 47:03
  Yes, I understand.
• 47:04
  It was five spots,
• 47:05
  but still or eight spots or nine spots,
• 47:08
  whatever the hell it was.
• 47:08
  But, you know, a couple of years ago,
• 47:10
  I mean, in the past,
• 47:12
  you get a couple you get a
• 47:13
  couple spots and you get one shot.
• 47:15
  You got to go and you got to
• 47:16
  do the damn thing.
• 47:18
  And, you know.
• 47:19
  Yeah.
• 47:20
  I mean, I'll be honest with you, Scott.
• 47:22
  We're not really thinking
• 47:23
  about anything other than winning.
• 47:25
  Like we're going there to win.
• 47:26
  We're not going there to do
• 47:27
  anything else but win.
• 47:30
  I wanted you to say that
• 47:31
  because that is the mindset of a champion,
• 47:34
  right?
• 47:34
  Yeah.
• 47:36
  To you, if it was one spot,
• 47:37
  you'd still take your shot.
• 47:38
  A hundred percent.
• 47:39
  If it would have been one spot,
• 47:40
  we'd be going and just doing that.
• 47:42
  Yes.
• 47:43
  Yeah.
• 47:44
  Yeah.
• 47:45
  I love that.
• 47:46
  And listen, she may not.
• 47:47
  I mean, anything can happen.
• 47:49
  You know what I mean?
• 47:50
  Something could happen.
• 47:51
  But at the end of the day,
• 47:54
  Alex and I both feel
• 47:55
  confident enough to go and
• 47:57
  earn her spot there.
• 47:58
  And we feel like...
• 48:02
  that's the best way for her
• 48:04
  path to the games that this
• 48:06
  is what made the most sense.
• 48:08
  It made the most sense in
• 48:09
  the way to balance the season,
• 48:11
  taking all things into consideration,
• 48:14
  taking WFP into consideration,
• 48:16
  taking the games into consideration,
• 48:18
  which she really wants to
• 48:20
  do both seasons.
• 48:21
  And if we're going to take
• 48:22
  both into consideration and give both
• 48:24
  you know,
• 48:25
  the amount of respect that both deserved,
• 48:28
  then, you know,
• 48:30
  this is the decision we made.
• 48:31
  And, you know,
• 48:32
  I stand by it and whether it works or not,
• 48:34
  we'll see.
• 48:35
  But regardless of whether it works or not,
• 48:37
  I'm still going to stand by
• 48:38
  it because that's what we're doing.
• 48:40
  you know, we've been friends for a while.
• 48:42
  And one of the things you've
• 48:43
  always said about Alex is that like,
• 48:45
  as soon as her mind gets to
• 48:47
  where it needs to be and
• 48:48
  she knows she's the big dog.
• 48:51
  Yeah.
• 48:51
  Like that's going to be big.
• 48:52
  And so the reason I,
• 48:54
  the other reason I asked
• 48:55
  that question is you have
• 48:57
  all the confidence, the world in her.
• 48:58
  Are we to the point where
• 48:59
  Alex has all that confidence in herself?
• 49:02
  I think that I've seen a switch.
• 49:04
  Yeah.
• 49:05
  in the last few months I
• 49:08
  think I've seen a I've seen
• 49:10
  a change in just belief and
• 49:16
  approach um I've seen a you
• 49:20
  know that's not to say
• 49:22
  obviously that there are I
• 49:23
  mean I think athletes in
• 49:25
  general right they always
• 49:26
  have doubts they always
• 49:28
  question.
• 49:30
  They always have fears and
• 49:32
  that's just human nature.
• 49:34
  But I think without a doubt,
• 49:38
  this past weekend in
• 49:40
  arguably the best field
• 49:43
  that we've seen together in a long time,
• 49:49
  it she was pretty fantastic
• 49:52
  and I feel like she felt at
• 49:55
  the end like that's that
• 49:57
  that's exactly where she
• 49:58
  belonged like you know
• 50:00
  because I I talked to her
• 50:02
  afterwards and I said you know you
• 50:04
  not it's not an easy thing
• 50:06
  to do to win you know I
• 50:08
  mean it's really not it's
• 50:10
  not easy um and and you
• 50:13
  know she said it just felt
• 50:15
  right and to me that's a
• 50:18
  phenomenal answer like how
• 50:19
  did it feel it felt right
• 50:21
  and I and I think that it
• 50:23
  was important because I
• 50:24
  think it proved that you know um
• 50:27
  Some of the things that I've
• 50:28
  been talking about the last few years,
• 50:30
  people probably think I'm crazy.
• 50:32
  But I've been doing this a very long time.
• 50:34
  I wouldn't say those things
• 50:36
  unless I thought they were true.
• 50:38
  And I've been saying for a
• 50:39
  long time that I felt she
• 50:40
  could be the best.
• 50:41
  And I'm not saying she's the best.
• 50:43
  I would absolutely say that
• 50:44
  right now she is in the
• 50:45
  discussion with the best in the world.
• 50:51
  And I think if she can do a
• 50:52
  little bit more of what she
• 50:53
  did this past weekend, then...
• 50:55
  We won't need to say anything.
• 50:57
  I mean, it'll just be,
• 50:58
  it'll be what it is.
• 51:00
  Two years ago, we,
• 51:01
  we followed her through the
• 51:03
  season all the way through the games.
• 51:06
  I saw a different Alex,
• 51:09
  just posture wise when I
• 51:12
  was watching WFP.
• 51:13
  Yeah.
• 51:15
  Like, and so that's,
• 51:16
  it's good to hear you say
• 51:17
  that you think that the
• 51:18
  switch has flipped.
• 51:19
  Yeah.
• 51:22
  There's Jack's say hi, Jack's.
• 51:28
  What's up?
• 51:29
  I'm doing a, doing a show.
• 51:30
  Okay.
• 51:32
  I like it.
• 51:32
  It's really nice.
• 51:34
  Love you, bud.
• 51:38
  Uh, Barbara spin jumping back in.
• 51:39
  Can you do both seasons?
• 51:41
  If WFP adds another comp next year?
• 51:43
  Yeah, that's a good question.
• 51:45
  Spin.
• 51:45
  I don't, I don't know.
• 51:46
  I can't worry about next year.
• 51:49
  I know you want to know that, but really,
• 51:51
  truly, man,
• 51:52
  I'm thinking right now about NorCal.
• 51:54
  That's all I'm thinking about.
• 51:55
  I'm thinking about getting
• 51:56
  Alex to NorCal and doing
• 51:58
  what we need to do to
• 51:59
  qualify for the games and
• 52:02
  make sure that she performs
• 52:04
  optimally and does her best there.
• 52:07
  I'll let the pundits,
• 52:08
  I'll let you guys argue about that stuff.
• 52:11
  I don't know.
• 52:12
  I don't know if it's possible.
• 52:14
  But I certainly think that
• 52:18
  we'll deal with that when the time comes.
• 52:21
  But yeah, I'm not sure.
• 52:23
  I'm not sure.
• 52:25
  I'm assuming next year you
• 52:25
  would sit down with Alex
• 52:26
  and you would look at the season again,
• 52:28
  see where everything lines
• 52:29
  up and have to make the
• 52:32
  decisions as to what's best for her.
• 52:34
  Yeah, I think for, you know,
• 52:36
  you think about the athlete
• 52:38
  window being as short as it is, right?
• 52:41
  And I think for us,
• 52:43
  I think the thing that's
• 52:45
  the most important for us
• 52:46
  right now is to be as
• 52:48
  present as possible.
• 52:50
  and to look at things from
• 52:52
  that perspective.
• 52:54
  Our goals are obviously very lofty,
• 52:58
  but I think the key right
• 53:01
  now is we have things that
• 53:04
  we know we need to continue
• 53:05
  to get better at.
• 53:07
  And that's the most
• 53:08
  important thing to her.
• 53:09
  The most important thing to
• 53:10
  her is being the best
• 53:11
  athlete that she can possibly be.
• 53:14
  And whatever stage we're
• 53:15
  able to present that on, you know,
• 53:18
  I've obviously will feel
• 53:22
  very grateful for whatever stage that is.
• 53:26
  But I think, you know, for this season,
• 53:28
  we have our plan and we
• 53:30
  know what we're going to do.
• 53:31
  And so our focus is obviously on that.
• 53:34
  you know,
• 53:35
  each day of training and then
• 53:37
  obviously each event as they come up.
• 53:39
  And I think to look beyond that, you know,
• 53:43
  I don't think that that's
• 53:44
  the way for her to be the
• 53:45
  most successful.
• 53:48
  If it's not discussed beforehand,
• 53:50
  we are setting ourselves up
• 53:51
  for a big problem next year.
• 53:52
  But is that your issue as a
• 53:54
  coach or is that Will and
• 53:56
  Saxon and to get the input
• 53:59
  needed to do the right thing?
• 54:01
  Yeah,
• 54:02
  I think that that's a question that
• 54:06
  can be discussed,
• 54:07
  but we're talking about
• 54:08
  right now in relation to Alex.
• 54:10
  So when I'm looking at it
• 54:12
  from a perspective of Alex,
• 54:14
  of Alex and, and, you know,
• 54:18
  what's best for her,
• 54:19
  what's best for her right
• 54:20
  now is just focusing on this season.
• 54:23
  You know, next season, I don't know.
• 54:25
  I mean, I,
• 54:26
  I'm not privy to all those discussions,
• 54:28
  you know, I'm not in,
• 54:30
  I'm not in the room when
• 54:31
  CrossFit's discussing their season or,
• 54:33
  or who they might possibly be selling to,
• 54:36
  or, you know,
• 54:36
  what that's going to look like.
• 54:38
  And I'm not privy to
• 54:39
  discussion of what WFP wants to do,
• 54:42
  whether it's
• 54:42
  adding another event,
• 54:44
  whether it's mandating that
• 54:46
  you've got to pick between the two,
• 54:48
  I don't know.
• 54:51
  My ideal situation would
• 54:52
  ultimately be for the two
• 54:55
  sides to be able to work
• 54:56
  together and for us to be able to
• 54:59
  create a season that has
• 55:01
  these multiple phenomenal events.
• 55:04
  Again, that might be a pie in the sky view,
• 55:08
  but that would be my hope.
• 55:11
  My hope is that we're able
• 55:13
  to create a season that
• 55:15
  kind of intertwines all
• 55:18
  these fantastic events, whether it's WFP,
• 55:20
  Rogue, Wadapalooza, the games.
• 55:23
  These are all phenomenal
• 55:25
  opportunities for athletes, coaches,
• 55:27
  and fans to be able to,
• 55:30
  for the athletes to compete,
• 55:31
  for the coaches to coach,
• 55:32
  and for the fans to be able
• 55:33
  to watch these unbelievable athletes.
• 55:35
  And that for me would be the
• 55:37
  ideal situation.
• 55:39
  I don't know, you know, between the two,
• 55:42
  I have absolutely no idea
• 55:43
  what the plan is.
• 55:45
  And I'm sure that we'll learn, you know,
• 55:47
  I think anything right now
• 55:48
  is kind of speculation.
• 55:49
  But ultimately,
• 55:50
  if we learn that you've got
• 55:51
  to choose between the two, I think that,
• 55:54
  you know,
• 55:54
  then I'll have to really sit
• 55:56
  down and think about, you know,
• 55:57
  that discussion.
• 55:58
  But as of right now,
• 55:59
  I think right now it's just speculation.
• 56:03
  So I want to talk about your
• 56:03
  other athlete that was at the WFP,
• 56:05
  and that's Mano Anganese.
• 56:06
  Yeah.
• 56:09
  The weekend didn't go as
• 56:09
  well for her as it did for Alex.
• 56:12
  Yeah.
• 56:13
  And she has yet to qualify
• 56:15
  for the games as well.
• 56:19
  And I have said all along the season,
• 56:20
  the European athletes
• 56:21
  really got a screw job with the schedule.
• 56:24
  Yes.
• 56:25
  So do you have a plan for
• 56:28
  Mano going forward?
• 56:29
  Now, she's a signed athlete, correct?
• 56:32
  Yes.
• 56:33
  So she gets tour stop two in Copenhagen.
• 56:36
  Yes.
• 56:36
  But is there a way for her
• 56:38
  to qualify for the games?
• 56:39
  It looks like it'll be
• 56:41
  through last chance qualifier.
• 56:42
  She did try to qualify
• 56:43
  through mayhem and came in fifth,
• 56:45
  obviously did extremely well,
• 56:47
  but did not qualify.
• 56:48
  And then she tried to do online semis.
• 56:51
  It was a really challenging
• 56:52
  situation for her.
• 56:53
  Nobody will, you know,
• 56:55
  know this and whatnot, but I mean,
• 56:58
  with the she she doesn't
• 57:01
  have so the gym she works
• 57:03
  out at is not an affiliate
• 57:04
  so she had to go and do it
• 57:06
  uh a couple hours away from
• 57:08
  her home um in belgium and
• 57:11
  she had to do three
• 57:12
  workouts the first day and
• 57:14
  two workouts the second uh
• 57:16
  so she did it in two days
• 57:17
  she didn't have any time to
• 57:18
  do redos because it's not her gym
• 57:21
  uh and that was just the
• 57:23
  schedule uh so that you
• 57:25
  know unfortunately it
• 57:26
  wasn't an optimal situation
• 57:27
  and then obviously she she
• 57:28
  traveled you know the day
• 57:29
  after to come to uh wfp uh
• 57:32
  so I think she was pretty
• 57:34
  beat up from online semis
• 57:35
  and travel at wfp I
• 57:37
  actually think that the
• 57:38
  best day for her was day
• 57:39
  three you know where she
• 57:40
  kind of felt like she was
• 57:42
  getting used to the time
• 57:43
  change and also just the
• 57:44
  recovery from from online semis um
• 57:48
  But yeah, I think, you know,
• 57:51
  she was obviously, you know, disappointed,
• 57:55
  I think,
• 57:55
  in just unfortunately the way the
• 57:59
  schedule happened.
• 58:00
  But, you know,
• 58:01
  we had to do online semis
• 58:02
  because she wants to
• 58:03
  qualify for the games.
• 58:04
  And so that was her chance, you know.
• 58:09
  Last chance qualifier, I guess.
• 58:11
  I really still need to look
• 58:13
  at it deeper and to fully understand it.
• 58:16
  It looked like there were a
• 58:17
  lot of parameters there.
• 58:21
  So I'll take a look at that
• 58:22
  and see if she qualifies for it.
• 58:28
  But that would be obviously
• 58:32
  something that we'll do.
• 58:35
  is very, you know, I think her priority
• 58:41
  is Rogue, to be honest.
• 58:44
  She loves that competition more than any.
• 58:47
  So that's kind of the one
• 58:48
  that we've circled as far
• 58:50
  as priority is concerned.
• 58:52
  But obviously the goal is to
• 58:55
  be able to make the games, obviously,
• 58:57
  and qualify for Rogue while
• 58:59
  she's doing the WFP.
• 59:02
  But for sure,
• 59:03
  I think the first weekend did
• 59:05
  not go as planned.
• 59:06
  I think she was irritated.
• 59:08
  um you know we talked about
• 59:09
  it afterwards and and I
• 59:10
  think you'll you'll see a
• 59:11
  better version of her um in
• 59:14
  mesa so I I don't mean to
• 59:19
  dive down this path but we
• 59:21
  had this this crossfit game
• 59:22
  season we talked about how
• 59:25
  you know europe was pretty
• 59:26
  much everything was in
• 59:27
  three weeks yeah either
• 59:29
  make it then or you don't
• 59:30
  make it at all yeah um
• 59:33
  I hate the fact that there were,
• 59:34
  there were adding back the
• 59:35
  regional aspect to some, but not all.
• 59:38
  And I don't think we're getting the best,
• 59:41
  the best athletes to the games.
• 59:42
  No, we aren't.
• 59:44
  I also have a problem with
• 59:46
  like the fact that you can compete,
• 59:49
  just continue to do these, you know,
• 59:51
  you go to semi after semi, after semi,
• 59:53
  after semi.
• 59:54
  And then the semis are now
• 59:55
  opening it up for everyone.
• 59:56
  And anyone who finished, you know,
• 59:57
  if you missed it by ten spots,
• 59:59
  twenty spots, you can now come there.
• 1:00:01
  It's just like,
• 1:00:02
  are we doing like I you just
• 1:00:04
  it's driving me insane you
• 1:00:05
  know um but yeah I I I
• 1:00:09
  don't know man I I I don't
• 1:00:14
  think that that the way
• 1:00:15
  that this season is set up
• 1:00:16
  is is optimal uh and I
• 1:00:20
  think it's confusing I
• 1:00:21
  think it's confusing the
• 1:00:22
  fans I think it's confusing
• 1:00:23
  the athletes um
• 1:00:26
  Now Last Chance comes out,
• 1:00:27
  and I still don't quite get it,
• 1:00:31
  but it is what it is.
• 1:00:33
  And they're not true
• 1:00:34
  semifinals because you're
• 1:00:35
  allowing people to
• 1:00:36
  participate that aren't
• 1:00:38
  participating in the season.
• 1:00:40
  So then you have leaderboard
• 1:00:42
  scores all messed up
• 1:00:43
  because someone is taking
• 1:00:45
  these points away.
• 1:00:47
  Yeah.
• 1:00:48
  And depending on their
• 1:00:49
  strength and your strength,
• 1:00:50
  that could hurt you, help you.
• 1:00:53
  Like it's just,
• 1:00:54
  it's making it all such a mess.
• 1:00:57
  Yeah.
• 1:00:59
  And that goes back to what
• 1:01:00
  we said at the front of,
• 1:01:01
  and I want someone to
• 1:01:02
  compete with CrossFit so
• 1:01:03
  that they do better.
• 1:01:06
  yeah I don't know that
• 1:01:08
  that's the thing though I
• 1:01:09
  don't know that competing
• 1:01:11
  with crossfit is going to
• 1:01:12
  make them do better I you
• 1:01:14
  know I think unfortunately
• 1:01:16
  like you have to make a
• 1:01:16
  choice yeah I just I just
• 1:01:20
  don't understand and and
• 1:01:23
  obviously a lot of it roll
• 1:01:24
  offs around money right I
• 1:01:25
  mean like we don't have we
• 1:01:27
  don't have what we've had
• 1:01:29
  historically because of
• 1:01:30
  that I understand that um
• 1:01:33
  I don't know, man.
• 1:01:34
  I don't know what the perfect solution is,
• 1:01:36
  but I can tell you that
• 1:01:38
  this season is just a bit
• 1:01:40
  of a mess when you look at it.
• 1:01:43
  And the fact that people can
• 1:01:44
  qualify from three,
• 1:01:46
  four different competitions
• 1:01:48
  and then the last chance
• 1:01:49
  and then online and people
• 1:01:51
  are doing Isabel a hundred times.
• 1:01:53
  I mean, it's just wild to me.
• 1:01:55
  You're going to have people
• 1:01:56
  doing Isabel four times.
• 1:01:57
  I mean,
• 1:01:58
  does anybody really want to watch
• 1:01:59
  that shit four times?
• 1:02:00
  It was really cool at Mayhem.
• 1:02:02
  Just have it be at Mayhem.
• 1:02:03
  Like that's all it needed to be.
• 1:02:05
  Just let mayhem be the one
• 1:02:07
  you didn't need to do it.
• 1:02:09
  If you're going to let
• 1:02:09
  people compete at multiple weekends,
• 1:02:12
  don't, don't have a repeat workout.
• 1:02:14
  It doesn't make any sense.
• 1:02:16
  I mean, there's just things that you just,
• 1:02:17
  you know, you shake your head at,
• 1:02:20
  you know, but listen,
• 1:02:21
  at the end of the day, like,
• 1:02:25
  it's a huge deal to make the
• 1:02:26
  crossfit games it's a huge
• 1:02:28
  deal to compete at the
• 1:02:29
  crossfit games it's a it's
• 1:02:30
  a huge deal to to you know
• 1:02:33
  be able to say you're a
• 1:02:34
  crossfit games athlete I
• 1:02:35
  mean that means something
• 1:02:36
  and it still means
• 1:02:38
  something and at the end of
• 1:02:39
  the day like I just feel
• 1:02:42
  like the the qualification
• 1:02:44
  to get there right now is
• 1:02:47
  It's not as prestigious as it should be.
• 1:02:49
  Like it should be really hard.
• 1:02:52
  Shouldn't have five shots to do it.
• 1:02:54
  You know what I mean?
• 1:02:54
  You should be able to go
• 1:02:55
  from this place to this place,
• 1:02:57
  to this place, to this place,
• 1:02:58
  chasing a game spot.
• 1:02:59
  I mean, I just think that's ridiculous.
• 1:03:01
  If you're going to allow that,
• 1:03:03
  then let's go all the way
• 1:03:03
  back to twenty nineteen and
• 1:03:05
  have thirty different options.
• 1:03:07
  So everybody has three or four shots,
• 1:03:09
  right?
• 1:03:10
  yes like don't have it like
• 1:03:12
  a just a handful and then
• 1:03:14
  people can do all of them
• 1:03:15
  let's I you know I don't we
• 1:03:17
  could that could go on
• 1:03:18
  forever but we could you
• 1:03:20
  know but but listen at the
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  end of the day you know I
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  mean I I think we'll still
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  I think we'll still get you
• 1:03:29
  know the best athletes
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  or at least the ones who
• 1:03:34
  competed in the season,
• 1:03:35
  because obviously there are
• 1:03:36
  a few that aren't competing
• 1:03:38
  that are arguably top three, top four.
• 1:03:45
  But I think besides that,
• 1:03:46
  we'll still get a phenomenal show.
• 1:03:50
  We'll still get a great test of fitness.
• 1:03:54
  I was not,
• 1:03:55
  I think a lot of people will say
• 1:03:57
  a lot of people,
• 1:03:58
  last year's games was phenomenal.
• 1:04:00
  You know,
• 1:04:01
  obviously last year's games was a tragedy,
• 1:04:03
  but beyond that, I stopped programming.
• 1:04:05
  It was terrible.
• 1:04:07
  And I'm hoping that, you know,
• 1:04:09
  this year we'll get, you know, a more...
• 1:04:14
  kind of normal programming and nor,
• 1:04:17
  you know, a normal event and, you know,
• 1:04:20
  where we can,
• 1:04:20
  where we can come off of that and say,
• 1:04:22
  okay, you know,
• 1:04:23
  we feel good about that situation.
• 1:04:26
  But yeah,
• 1:04:27
  I think leading up to it right now,
• 1:04:29
  it's a bit of a mess for sure.
• 1:04:30
  And anyone who, who,
• 1:04:31
  anyone who says it's not,
• 1:04:32
  it's just kind of lying to
• 1:04:33
  themselves or drinking the
• 1:04:35
  punch and they don't want to, you know,
• 1:04:38
  really want to be honest with themselves.
• 1:04:40
  Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  I've kept you long enough
• 1:04:42
  tonight justin I want to
• 1:04:43
  thank you so much for
• 1:04:44
  jumping on with me and
• 1:04:45
  giving us a little behind
• 1:04:46
  the scenes of how it went
• 1:04:48
  at wfp this weekend I know
• 1:04:50
  there's a lot of curious
• 1:04:51
  people out there um and
• 1:04:54
  it's it congratulations on
• 1:04:56
  getting the win um that's
• 1:04:58
  got to feel really good
• 1:04:59
  going into the rest of the
• 1:05:00
  season yeah it does thanks
• 1:05:03
  scott it's always a pleasure man
• 1:05:05
  Well, with that guys,
• 1:05:06
  thank you so much for being here.
• 1:05:07
  Thanks for being in the chat.
• 1:05:08
  We'll catch everybody next
• 1:05:09
  time on the Clydesdale media podcast.
• 1:05:12
  Bye guys.