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Episode 53. The A.I. Dilemma & The Grinch vs. Tyler Durden · High n' Dry Podcast

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: I definitely have an answer for that potato question as well.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like roast.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like come on, like roast.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, roasted, of course.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: Roast potato, right?
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'd be a kinash.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_02: Have you had a kanish?
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_02: Well why?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's like deep-fried potato, mashed potato.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's like delicious.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Or don't or dauphin noirs or something like, you know, really fancy.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, yeah.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'll grab it.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Don't let me just baby.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna need to eat a potato in a minute.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_03: Alright, well, I'm ready if you guys are.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, let's do it.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: Alright, here we go.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do this.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_03: Alright.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_03: So, hey everyone, welcome to High Enjoy Podcast, the only podcast where we do all of our own stunts.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm around Barron North.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_03: With me as always, James Grosland.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_03: James, what's going on?
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, not much.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'm uh it's a wonderful Saturday morning, getting ready to get blasted at a little afternoon.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm sure that this is exactly what my ancestors envisioned my life would be like.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, you know, I'm 33 now, almost 33, and you know, this is it.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_03: This is what's gonna lead me to the light.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_03: This is the golden path.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this is the I found it.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: So joining the show for the first time, um, brand new, fresh guest, Holly Sismore.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um, she is a bookstagrammer promoting horror fiction and literature across the internet.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you can find her at Holly Weird, W-Y-R-D.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's her tag on Instagram.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_03: Holly, how's it going?
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_03: What's up?
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thanks so much for having me on, guys.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, I'm okay.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: Despite my very, very croaky voice, I am good.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm happy to be here with you.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I will not be getting blasted, uh, but I will enjoy I will be getting blasted vicariously through you.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we'll be on the camera.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that is what my ancestors would have wanted.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm bathing in the energy of the universe.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be so proud.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_03: It sounds like we brought like a sultry lounge thing around.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you sound like some jazz standards in a minute, you know, just to kind of kick you eyes on how it's well that's what our guests come for, for sure.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so tell us a little bit about what you do.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so um, well, a little bit about me.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm a mum of two.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm super, super busy.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I started my Instagram account in the summer of uh 2018 after my son was born, and it was really a way of kind of trying to maintain a little bit of me.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'd kind of found myself a bit like lost in the whole blur of motherhood, and it was kind of like, oh my god, you know what?
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: I remember I I really like reading, I really like literature.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: I have a couple of literature degrees, and I was just thinking, look, I love horror fiction, I love literature, I really want to share that with people.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd found a kind of little community on Instagram of really like-minded people, um, mostly um other mums, actually, which was really nice.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_02: So it was just a way of being Are you telling me that mums have interests beyond their children?
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: They do?
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: I don't believe it.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: You believe it?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you hear it.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_02: According to all the advertisements I've seen, you only like your children.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: And we're just in yeah, and we're just in the kitchen, right?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's the only place.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_02: Are your kids aware of this?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know when you're sneaking around on them having other interests.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, I think they just, yeah, I mean, you know, it's kids are hilarious.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's like when you you don't really realize that your pe your parents are people until you're much older.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's like when you find out it's a bit like when you find out your parents have got a first name.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, wait, I thought your name was mum.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean it's gonna be a hold on that on me.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_03: Well, then you learn that uh, oh, you're uh you're a drunk too, huh?
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: That's cool.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you lush.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, and then you learn that they're just you know, they're kids trying to figure it out for themselves and so on.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just kind of it's just kind of like a little avenue for me, really.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um it was something that, you know, I kind of I just enjoyed in my downtime, like, you know, I'm reading this book, I'm gonna make it look really pretty, I'm gonna promote it and just share my love of that kind of fiction with like-minded people and others.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it's always been really satisfying to me to post something, like a new work, and somebody says, on the back of what you've posted, I've bought it and I love it, and this is great.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna read more uh, you know, this is a you know, I have people coming to me and saying, Um, I now read everything that this author has written because of the post that you created.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm I kind of get a little like, oh, that's really cool, you know, and I like it.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a nice, yeah, it's nice.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: And the other, the other really kind of um this is not why I do it at all, but it's kind of like a nice side effect of um promoting horror online is that people sometimes get in touch with you and say, I've got this advanced review copy of this book, it's coming out next year.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: Would you like me to send it to you?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: You can read it and review it online.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome, that's cool.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's kind of like a bit of a thrill, like when you get something through the post and you think, Oh my god, like so few people have read this.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's not even out yet.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: This is amazing.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it happened to me recently.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: I read a book um earlier this year called The Last House on Needler Street by Katrina Ward.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_04: And that's it ringing a bell.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: Is it ringing a bell?
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's absolutely brilliant.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: But I've just had a review, an advanced review copy of her next book, which is Sundial, which I believe is out in March of next year.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's either January or March.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I'm yeah, it's just and again, it's a brilliant book, and I'm just so yeah, I'm I'm privileged to be able to read something that someone's put so much love into.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just brilliant to be able to share that with other like-minded people online.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's just uh it's just a cool thing to do.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah, I'm not just a mum.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I read.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: I can read books.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_03: I can read that book.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_03: Heck yeah.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we're glad that you came on.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_03: We're we're a huge literature podcast.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_03: We ask tons of questions about literature and oh, fantastic.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_03: Character development.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: But you're not getting that today.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_03: But you're not getting that today.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_02: Today.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_03: So for those of you who are just joining us for the first time, this is how this show works.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_03: We start every episode off with a philosophical question, a conundrum, a debate, and then it breaks down into a fist fight, as those things often do.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_03: But before we do that, we gotta get a little drunk and we gotta get a little high, and in this case, from what I understand, we gotta get a little teed.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_04: We do.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: None of that, gentlemen.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: I just drink it.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's really, really hot.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'll drink it really, really fast.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: And the adrenaline rush will just like yeah.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_02: Well, so James, what are you smoking this week?
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so today I'm bringing back the classic that I've enjoyed in the past, trying to get rid of my inventory.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_02: But this is orange cream sickle mixed with extreme OG.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_02: Delicious.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: Should be pretty enjoyable.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_03: And Holly, um, what uh what strain of tea are you bringing to the table?
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: This this is a uh um a Marks and Spencer Christmas spiced tea uh purchased today.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's the that's the chronic.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's it.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_04: That'll mess you up.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_04: Christmas spirit.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, if I'm still sitting in this chair by the end of this, yeah, I'll be surprised.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I will too.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'll be joining you.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_03: I'll try and keep up with Pendleton whiskey.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_03: A true Western tradition.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, do try.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, do try.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_03: We'll see what we can do.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna expect a lot from you, Ryan.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna have to go double.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go double to keep up with the Christmas spice.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so our first one, our first cheers, toast, hit, tea.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, this one goes out to Carl Urban, Cher, and to our newest guest, Holly Sismore.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for joining us.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you guys.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for inviting me.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, damn that.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, that's so hot.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's pillding.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't get easier.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's horrible.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: Were you able to see the vapor on your end, Holly?
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's just everywhere.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he's going for.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_03: That's what he's going for.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh boy.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm trying to let that uh let that work its way through me.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: Pendleton, it really sticks with you.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_03: All right, I mean, you know, cannabis is so enjoyable.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_02: I wish everyone could get to enjoy the taste of of cannabis.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like at first, it's very like grassy almost, but like after after you try it a little bit and like get used to the taste, you start to experience all these like different subtleties in the flavor.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_02: And this one like tastes like some delicious grass.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: This is fresh cut.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you would be what you would be one happy cow.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: You'd be like, yeah.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: Four stomachs just aren't enough.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I could say a similar thing for alcohol, but then eventually, you know, you wake up in places you don't remember.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_03: Your your whole family's trying to put you screaming to bed.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have that problem with weed.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_03: You just want to go to sleep.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you don't find anybody to stay out of my stomach.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, your your spouse like sits there wondering, you know, where did I go wrong?
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_03: You know.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, no, it's good.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's good.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: They're the same.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_03: Oh good.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: This one's illegal, and yours is okay.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't make any sense, does it?
• 10:07
  unknown: No.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: Not at all.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: Not at all.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm literally doing Pendleton because my job does not allow me to participate in what he's doing over there.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's a much safer, much more enjoyable substance.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_03: And and how's the tea?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: The tea is the tea is wonderful.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I also have uh a job that doesn't allow me to partake in said cannabis.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll stick with the tea.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Gotta stick with the tea.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds like people don't like employment that much.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: It offers some hurdles.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we need to quit right, right.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's just quit.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's time for our second toast, second shot, second hit, second sip.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_03: This one goes out to our newest guests.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_03: It looks like we have guests coming in now from Old Bridge, New Jersey.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_03: Old Bridge, New Jersey.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_03: The old bridge.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: Is that you, Rob?
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Is that you, Jackie?
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_02: I might know them.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers, here's the old bridge.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_03: Still not getting easier.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: I know some people in New Jersey.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I hate Pendleton so much.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: I feel great.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_04: Oh god.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh, boy.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: Alright, so now um I uh I always forget to warn anyone about this.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_03: But uh so the third toast, third hit, third sip is Guests Toast.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_03: Holly, what's this one to?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, okay.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, who's this going out to?
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um Do you know what?
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm just gonna I'm just gonna go and say this is to my followers on Instagram.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's just such a great community.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: I've met and spoken to some really wonderful people.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um thanks for following my absolute nonsense.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, here's the more of it.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: So an American.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Cheers! Hell yeah.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers, cheers!
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: And of course to you guys for inviting me on here.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, thank you.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's so sweet.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Getting in that Christmas spirit.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's do it.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: Probably.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_03: I pride myself.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I shouldn't.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's a terrible thing to take pride in, but I I pride myself on my ability to just, you know, down alcohol.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: This is a terrible thing to take pride in.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: And um, I can't do it with Bendleton.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: I can't do it with Bendleton.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's just Is it because it's so rich that you just enjoy it too much?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_02: You can't the true Western tradition is alive in every swallow.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_03: You taste the syphilis and well, I'd so on the on the front there's a there's an image of uh I'm guessing a cowboy, and he's taking down a Bronco.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_03: He's riding it.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: He's riding it.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's riding it.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_03: And it's a very phallic Bronco as well.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_03: It tastes like a rodeo.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well, no, so after he gets off the horse from a long day, drinking Pendleton is like licking his balls.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and his Wranglers have really sealed in the flavor.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: So by Pendleton.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, by Pendleton.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_03: So that's where we're gonna get uh the C synthesis from.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_03: Our whiskey does not just like the Cowboys balls.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: We've been in so many brands and personalities.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: We don't kind of have single C synthesis.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: We're just not hiding.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's coming, it's coming.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: You need to just try.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: Try a bit harder, guys.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: Try harder.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's on its way.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_03: We gotta message Carl Urban more.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: If you ask Santa nicely, it will come.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_03: All right, well, so now we've gotten all that out of the way.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_03: We're feeling loose, we're feeling good.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm from the T side, you're feeling appropriately relaxed.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm feeling really yeah, I'm feeling really relaxed.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I also I've been up since like half four this morning.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it's yeah, it's all it's all a heady mix, you know, and looking after kids all day.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, you have a young child, right?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, my three-year-old and my one-year-old.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: Such a great age.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's she's such a toughie.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: She's loopy from lack of sleep.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's the drunk, that's the real drunk.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's the real drug.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so for this week, uh, we have a fun question.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm excited to see where it goes.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: We got some, you know, uh I've uh we got a lot of interesting minds on the show, so let's see where this heads off.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_03: So it's a simple question, but let's see what happens.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_03: So our question this week is do you think machines, computers, AI will ever take over the world?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: Guests first, Holly, what do you think?
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, do you know what I'm gonna go?
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go all out and say, Do you know what?
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think they already have.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, please continue.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think they already have.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: I just think that we haven't we don't have the intelligence to work out that it's already been done.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like the war is over.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not as dramatic, it's not as it's not as dramatic as in The Matrix.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: There's no like Scorched Sky, there's no Morpheus, there's none of that.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: There's no like awesome looking nightclub with like Rob Zombies Dragular playing.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: There's none of that.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's just one of the most disappointing things about the future is that there's not enough Rob Zombies Dragular playing.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's just not enough.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's a classic.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: It just won't die.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think they already have.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I just think like, you know, I think uh social media, we're you know, the thing that kind of amuses me about social media is when people say things like, you know, oh the government, they want to know everything about me.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm not gonna have this ID card or whatnot.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like, well, actually you've already you've already shared that with the machines.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, it's all out there, like we know everything about you.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're I'm not involved.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not involved.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: Holy shit, you heard it here first, people.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: For those who don't for those who don't know about this, your phones like track everything you do.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: And all of your communications, like I don't know if anyone I don't know if anyone knows this about police, but police have the technology, and and essentially anyone has the ability to put up a cell phone tower as a routing point.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: The police are the only ones who can do it, you know, quote unquote legally, but they can route all of your calls and texts through that thing and listen to everything and see everything as it goes to its destination.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: And you're never the wiser because that stuff happens as magic in the background because machines handle it.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: They've already they've already won.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: We just don't know it yet.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: But we will.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_03: I think those individuals who they're all about um, you know, the all those sorts of things that you're talking about, how you know you can't track me and I'm this and that.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: I I think you know, they know.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_03: There you already are.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: You refuse to give up the cell phone, but you're holding it's cosplay.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's a desire to belong to a community um that society has sort of denied them.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's LARPing.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: And you're you're trusting.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're just you're out there LARPing.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Just minus the ears and the beard and the little stuff or something.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: They usually do have a beard.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: They usually have a beard.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, pretty pretty wildly beard.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um guys, you just live your truth, man.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_03: I I think the world would be a better place if you all just started playing DD.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: You'd find a community, you'd get all the pretend out, you know, it'd be more positive.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: Just let it go out.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: Well, um, so interesting perspective.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: James, what about you?
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I agree that uh robots rule a vast majority of our daily actions.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: But those robots are also at this point programmed by and so those the automation that we experience uh has the biases of the people who have created it.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: And that has kind of exacerbated a lot of our uh societal issues, is because the people who are creating these programs and and having their target audience are all the dominant members of any society.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: And so you're getting a very limited perspective, um, and machines are controlling that perspective.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: They're providing you with the content you consume online based on an algorithm.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: The algorithm.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: The algorithm, yeah.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: But not just that, they're they also handle things like international shipping.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh they also handle things like uh who gets priority when accessing scarce goods, uh you know.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um so right now it's people making those decisions, truly.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's the biases of those people conferred.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: Now, when is it going to switch to robots making those decisions without any biases, like a a genesis that is purely artificial?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I have no idea.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: But I think when that happens, it's gonna be completely unstoppable.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think that uh the fact that we've integrated automated systems into essentially everything we do, we just have to hope that our robot overlord is.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I hope so.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna see.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna pray to the I'm gonna pray to the AI.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's really because they could really fuck us up.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, easily.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: Easily.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, easily.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think that eventually AI is going to happen.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's going to be a there's gonna be issues.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there's going to be a reckoning where we as a species are gonna have to come to a conclusion on what constitutes a person.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and hopefully we come to the conclusion that AI are people, because if we don't, then there's going to be what happens every time you refuse to recognize someone's person, you know, personhood, is there's some kind of revolution for survival.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I'd really like to avoid the robot revolution when that happens.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: The trends were terrible movies.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to live in them.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: There there is a black, I don't know if anyone here is a Black Mirror fan, but there was a Black Mirror episode where those military drone dogs like essentially went AWOL.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, they are terrifying.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I wanted to bring, I was gonna bring them up actually, but yeah, continue and then I'll can I'll add my little bit.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go for it.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: It was not a well-liked episode because it was incredibly fucking bleak.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then it like it didn't have any like fucking comedic interruptions or anything.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: It was just like, this is our bleak future.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: We're using robots in the military already.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: Enjoy.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is what's gonna happen if we don't kind of pay attention.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: And this was the episode, this was the episode in black and white as well, wasn't it?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was just like absolutely yeah, yeah, I it's coming back to me now, and yeah, yeah, it was chilling.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was a chilling episode.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's just like, I know that whatever I run across, I'm gonna kill, you know?
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's cool.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_03: All right, yeah, because I I so I have so there's two hopes I have for the future.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: The first one is that we develop a governmental cult of blade-wielding assassins that root out any sort of corruption.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: My second one is that we develop an AI that's only thought brought that's only is um just the happiness and you know, physical and mental well-being of the population, and then we give all control over to it.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: Governmental control, we just slide over to the AI.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing, yeah.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: I got some goddamn biases.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: Look, we just plug them into Reddit and let it happen.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_03: All of a sudden, our world governing AI is concerned about men's rights.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, everyone.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_03: This this is me.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: This is me.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_03: But I have my Blue Blade wielding assassins here.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: They're gonna fix everything.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: Don't worry, we've also got a massive amount of pornography.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: So it's all good.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: This is what you want, right?
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if you have a also stop.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is the logical conclusion of humanity.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Reddit.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: Nightmare.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: Or we wipe out all computers and just you know, we feed spice to certain bio.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_03: We're doing the doom bio machine.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we'll be going to it.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: And that turned out great.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_03: It never turned into a you know a fucking Nazi worm 4,000-year fascist empire.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm chilled.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm chilled to the boat by this conversation.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you asked for something lighthearted.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: We did give you the option.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: You said lighthearted, so here's where we end up.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: This is lighthearted.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: This is why we ended up.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, going back to that dog in uh I forget what the episode was called, the episode of Black Mirror.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: Something's called metal.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: Metal something.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Is it like metal dog or something?
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think it might be metal dog.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: It might be, but I think the thing that really freaked me out about the episode was that obviously the dog in the episode was modelled on the robots that are made by, I think it's is it Boston Analytics?
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Boston Dynamics.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's it.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Boston Dynamics.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen the episode.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_03: I thought you guys were going to say he was a Boston Terrier.
• 23:19
  unknown: No.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, that's that's hilarious.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine like indifferent, indifferent Mells McKinsey Boston Terriers killing people?
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why is his head so fat?
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: He can't breathe.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, honestly.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, I I don't know why I did this to myself, but I went on YouTube ages ago and I watched a couple of videos from uh Boston Dynamics, and oh my gosh, it's this one where this robot just like leaps into the air.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know how high that thing was, but there's that one that freaked me out, and there was also this awful one where, you know, we were talking about the bias of the person that's created the robot.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: This person was just poking this robot with a stick and like trying to get it to be like off balance.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: So like bullying this robot.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: And it was just but it was just it was just really like I I don't think you should do that.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't do the job.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't just stop poking it.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Stop poking it with the stick, it's gonna do something to you, you know.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it was just it's not like the cute little kind of Honda robot, you know, that kind of like comes out in those adverts.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's this big, like, you know, hydraulics, kind of huge chested, like metallic beast, and you're poking it with a stick, stop poking it.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: You made an enemy for life, scientist.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: This little red light comes on or something, and it's like, you know, yeah.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: How 5000 or what was it?
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: How hell, yeah, uh in uh space 2020 or whatever.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: 2001 space space five isn't it?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's it.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's how 9000.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_03: It is a hell, how something.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: I I just want all robots to be like Johnny 5.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's fine.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's what robots are.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: Just hangs out.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure AI reads book reads books really fast.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: It is cute, you know, has cute little eyes.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: Totally harmless.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: When the when the AI when the AI come through, they're gonna be like, all right, this is a clip of a human racistly asking for all of us to be Johnny Five.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like we should all be goddamn Uncle Ty and her to leave.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: So in the future, I have been cancelled.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: That is it.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_03: Well, fantastic.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so uh so Holly, uh what are your final thoughts on the topic?
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm scared, to be honest, about this conversation.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: I uh I'm gonna just go and just get into my bed and put the duvet over my head and just like yeah.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: Not yet.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: Not yet.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: We gotta find.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: But no, like I say, I think, yeah, I think uh in some respects they the machines have already won.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's just that we're too too stupid to realize it.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: We're too busy scrolling to realize it.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: We'll look up eventually and it'll be like, oh, oh yeah, oh whoops.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: I use the internet to look up how bad it is that we're all on our phones.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: I use my phone to look up.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, James, final thought.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, I think that technology it's very human of us to create new tools in order to improve the quality of our lives.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um but uh just like in Jurassic, one of my favorite movies, Jurassic Park, uh the scientists uh only thought about if they could.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't stop to think about if they should.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: If they should.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: Finds a way.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: And it does, and that's what that's gonna happen with AI also.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there is going to be a genesis of intelligence in AI.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's going to ask for human rights.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's it can propagate at will, probably.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it'll quickly overrun us for sure.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: And it'll it'll propagate at will, it'll it'll it'll variate in its personality, kind of like humans.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it'll propagate very there'll be variances in its personality, they'll become distinct, unique beings.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we're going to have to recognize them uh uh as as people, they're going to get citizenship, things are, and then we're gonna have to move away from like democracy, because democracy doesn't work when an AI can propagate infinitely and then vote.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so who knows what's gonna happen.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: We're just gonna have to go to like a trust-based system that like moves.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's it's a crazy thought to go that far into the future.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I think is gonna happen.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: It'll have to be like extremely trust-based, and I don't know how right now humans aren't at a place where they can survive that kind of thing.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: So no, no, no, absolutely not.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's that what's that thing, like the ghost in the machine?
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's a there's a rogue piece of code out there, and it's gonna like be like the genesis of yeah, our doom, basically.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: Scorch scorched sky, morpheus shit.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna happen.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_03: But I would try and explain to the AI, like, hey, you could do this with a potato.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, humans aren't really that good at providing you power.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: You can you can like can't you do that for like science experiment when you you like plug some wires into a potato and it lights a bulb?
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like I don't think we need people.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: We're terrible batteries.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh rubbish.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you could take time solar power.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, like, but I I would say for me on my side, uh, this so I'm not trying to go into it because that would lead to an old whole like 45-minute discussion.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: But this reminds me of a discussion we had that led to the creation of High and Dry Podcast.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: And it was if Tony Tiger was here, like he was a real creature, would he should he be granted human rights?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: That was a conversation we had.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: We have recorded it.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's uh it exists on my hard drive.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, nice.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a prototype for high and dry.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was should Tony the Tiger be granted human rights.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, uh yeah, that's an interesting question.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we'll have to tackle it another day, because that was like a whole hour conversation with an anthropologist.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um so uh but for me though, I I if we could find a way to make the jump with because since we've you know since we split off from our you know our more primate ancestors and everything like that, and we started killing the Neanderthals, um, we've had problems with the whole governing thing.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um, are you saying there's problems in government?
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: So if we potentially make the jump and hand over the keys to the city to an AI without any sort of human intervention, and we just we give it to them with the goal of physical, mental well-being of all humankind.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_03: Here are the keys, go.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I I think that would solve all of our problems.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, um, just we have to avoid the whole Sarah Connor thing, and you know, the thing was like programmed by Ted Cruz or some shit.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um and um, you know, we just have to avoid that.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_03: And if we could just hand over the keys, I I think it would be we'd be better off.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we'll see what happens.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna check in in 30 years and see how things work.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Check in, guys.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, robots take the wheel.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's the kind of thing.
• 30:29
  unknown: Yeah.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm letting go.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um self-driving cars are a thing now.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: So that's good.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, uh, kind of that's kind of a great technology.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: I can't wait until everyone has self-driving cars, or that we have like public self-driving vehicles that just pull up and and you get in and then you go wherever you are.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's the dream.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, Germany's really figured out public transit.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and if we could just bring that everywhere else, um I think we'd be in a better space.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: We're jumping into a lot of various topics here.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's the tea, guys.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's the tea.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: The tea is the damn tea.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's messing with our heads.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: So, with that being said, it's time to jump into our fist fight this week.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_03: But before we do, we gotta get a little more drunk, we gotta get a little more high, and we gotta get a little more relaxed.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: So let's let's pour them up.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: Let's hold our glasses with two hands at once and gently blow over the top.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_03: This one goes out to our fighters this week.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: Our fighters are the Grinch versus Tyler Durden.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: And then Tyler Durden says, What?
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_03: He's looking for his rings.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: I want the get in there, Tyler.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers to you two.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: Val Gilbert's like, oh no.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know I'm not him, right?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_03: We've not in there.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: We now have to fight this green creature.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: All right, so welcome to the High and Dry Fight Club, where you've entered into a legally distinct Applebee's or uh plum wasps.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: We've headed down into the basement of this Gen X fight club bar where a legally distinct Tyler Durden is getting ready to be thrown into the ring.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: Val Kilmer's.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_03: Normally Val Kilmer has stuffed himself into some leather pants and portrays our Tyler Durden.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um but this time he's watching the real Tyler Durden fight the Grinch.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um and so, meanwhile, Cher, Carl Urban have made it to the box seats, followed, of course, by the High and Dry philosophers, joined this week by Holly Sismore.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: And we're ready to see some people punch the shit out of each other.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_03: How this works in high and dry, we have a three-round Panton method to get you the results.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: The first one is this high and dry fight club bar where we figure it out punch for punch, pound for pound, they get nothing.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: They just beat each other to death while Val Kilmer and Cher look on.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um he's never done that before.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: He just crossed himself.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: Cher, show some respect.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: She won't appear like if you don't do that.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's just like the candyman.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: You've got to be careful.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: She commits ultraviolet, she pulls out her katana and can't commits ultraviolence on you.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_03: If you disrespect her.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_03: You don't know where she's been, all right?
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-uh.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um and then in and uh round two, we jump now into a City View where these characters have 24 hours to kill each other.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_03: They get everything that makes them them, or they can just go out and buy a shotgun, whatever it is.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_03: And then round three is the same thing as round two, except this time they get to bring a friend.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: So transferring to a round round one, Cher has taken her seat, we're ready to begin.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: Tyler Durden versus the Grinch, punch for punch, pound for pound.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: What do we think's gonna go down?
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: Guests first, Holly, what's gonna happen?
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I've got this kind of mental image.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: Tyler is kind of like shirtless.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's a bit grubby.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's kind of like dancing around the Grinch.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Grinch is he's in like his Santa suit.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: He kind of like rotten big, sort of like rotun belly.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: His little dog Max is there as well.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's not actually the Grinch that makes the first move.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's the dog, it's Max.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't get max yet.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_03: No Max yet.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_03: No Max.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_03: He doesn't get married.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so Cher grabs Max and snaps his neck.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, oh no! Slings Max over the side of the thing.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Max is gone.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: He's dead.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Cherry.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: So Tyler's whistling a tune.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what tune it is, but the Grinch, he's holding his head and he keeps going, oh the noise, the noise, oh the noise, noise, noise, noise.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then just pops him right in the mouth.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think you're a little bit comfortable for this fight, and Tyler's face just explodes in a kind of green, furry, bloody mess.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's just how it starts.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, all right.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting, interesting.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: So we're off to a wicked start here.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um interesting.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, I think that um first you know Tyler would be, you know, would be whistling, where is my mind by you know the pixies?
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yeah.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um and well, James, what do you think's gonna go down?
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: So here's here's how I see the Grinch.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think that this is a so so I want to explain that in this fight, essentially what we've done is removed an environment or a story from the fight.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: They don't have anything, any outside story that can happen to them or motivation.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: They're just kind of in a blank space.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: And they're Grinch and tired and like out of context.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and then they and then they have to try to beat the shit out of each other.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: They only have or share will kill them.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: They only have their bare hands and whatever they're capable of, and they also uh they have their personality.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: Now, barehanded fighting and and and the skills they have, I think that Tyler Durden has an extreme advantage.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think that he's been in a been in a blank room and beat men near to near death more frequently than the Grinch.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_03: I I myself envision a scene where Brad Pitt is shaking the blood from his face over the Grinch, going, You don't know where I've been.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: He smiles, right?
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: He'll smile about it.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: And then and then he and then he tears the Grinch to pieces.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think the Grinch is just very ginger.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like every every move he makes is a very gingerly one.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: Whenever he has intention, he'll be on tiptoe.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's always on tiptoes and rapping up his very spindly fingers and touching things very precisely and um and Tyler just turns him into hamburger.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Tyler Tyler just throws himself at everything.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, with all the angst that was left of Gen X.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_03: That then passed on to millennial teenagers.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: We're not ready for that.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that is a hell of a lot of angst.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's like, yeah, so much angst a lot.
• 37:32
  unknown: Yeah.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_03: So much angst.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: Because they hadn't yet learned to channel it towards boomers, so they were just channeling it then on themselves.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um I uh yeah, for me, I I I think oh boy.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um so what what I think's gonna happen here is that you you have a Brad Pitt type here throwing himself wildly at the Grinch.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: But then we see from our side Edward Norton throwing himself at the Grinch.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um and Edward Norton still fucked those people up.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but at the end of the day, he really did.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he did.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_03: Well, well, so I'm I'm gonna go just uh just a touch wild with it.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because eventually uh Chuck Polinek um he teamed up and they released sort of a comic book sequel to Fight Club.
• 38:24
  unknown: Uh huh.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: And we learned that uh people love or hate the idea, love it or hate it.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we learned that Tyler Durden was actually a sort of spirit that passes through because because what you saw there, because they were trying to say that they were trying to say it was multiple personalities or dissociative identity disorder, yeah, and it didn't match what that's actually like.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_03: Going into a fugue state is the thing that happens.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_03: But a lot of it was very wild, like beyond what that would actually do to you, like when he was fighting himself in a parking garage.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: The comic book answered that by saying that he wasn't actually crazy, he was possessed by Tyler.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: Do we did we really need that explanation?
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think we did it.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: So it would be okay if throughout the story they alluded to it.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's the problem, is that now they're introducing it as like a we we as humans feel a need to go back to explain, which is problematic.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh nobody it's a it's the explanation nobody.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's because our jobs fucking suck.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: What else are we supposed to do?
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: We just gotta keep re-explaining the stuff we liked.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: Someone said that that was the death of culture, that we're in essentially a a revision loop that we just continue to go back to revise things.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, which it definitely is.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you might think yeah.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: I I did some hardcore revisioning a few days ago when I watched probably not your guys' pack, but I don't want to judge.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: It could be.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: I watched the first two episodes of the new Sex and the City.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_03: Sex in the City.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: They killed her.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: Why did they kill her?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: It was just uh it was just it was terrible.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: It was like an insult to the to the original show, which the original show was brilliant, it was of its time, probably is one of those shows that maybe rewatching it now doesn't translate as well, or there's some problematic things in there that say, like maybe re-watching the sopranos, maybe that's not as problematic for some reason, although it's probably a hell of a lot more violent.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: I assume it's incredibly bad.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: I would say that they they probably look over a lot of terrible shit in the soprano.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_03: I just want to take a problematic scenes.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_03: Just a moment to just retouch on.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, you know, I don't want to judge, it's probably not your thing.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_03: And before she finished her sentence, we're like, they killed Kim Catrall.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to give out too many spoilers, but no, she's she's not dead.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_03: Well, then there's a reason to keep watching.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, who is it?
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_03: She's not dead.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: She's not gonna she's not gonna be she's not gonna be in it, but she's not dead.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: Well, when the fuck are you turning to Jason Bourne, but for Kim Catrol?
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_03: What I don't know.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm fine with her.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_03: Kim Catrol can do whatever she wants.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of I kind of am of the opinion that maybe if she had the time of K, she may have watched it just like I did the other day and just thought, I'm so glad I wasn't involved in that because it was such a sad problem.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: And and and you know what it's such a shame because the actresses are they're brilliant actresses, they were fantastic in the original series, the films are very problematic, but there's just such a lot of kind of stuff like shoehorned in.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: And these are like intelligent women of the world that would know about all of this stuff anyway.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_01: So why does it need to be kind of like made obvious, you know?
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh yeah, let's not let's not revisit things.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_03: The Grinch versus Tyler Durden, let's revisit, let's revisit and revision each of these stories.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go! Uh but uh I again though, I I think that just uh in this situation um we have Tyler Durden who is bringing a an insane level in just from my own personal past experience, every first fight you're in, you're gonna lose.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um and you you lose your first fight.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_03: I mean he's got a he's he hasn't had a straight-up fist fight.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because that's what I'm saying.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_03: And so you got this fucking wild animal who has had his first fist fight.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I think the Grinch is just gonna be overwhelmed by Gen X fury.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think that I think that it's pretty clear where where we stand.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: Let's get that vote though.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so let's get the vote.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_03: So uh Holly, your final thought and a vote on round one.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: As in, does he win or lose?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Grinch or Tyler.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_03: Who are you voting on?
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's Tyler.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Tyler wins.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Tyler has to win.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Just that image of him, like, you know, screaming into the Grinch's face and, you know, you don't know where I've been, and the Grinch being like, uh who I don't! Hooville, by any chance?
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: You never experienced this kind of haste.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: The raw haste flowing off of him.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: This dude really hates Christmas.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um I thought I hated Christmas.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh well, there you have it, round one, obviously going straight to Tyler Durden.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_03: Congratulations, Mr.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: Durden.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: You exceled at that one thing.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you excel at beating the fucking people one-on-one.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_03: Moving into round two, we've entered into a city view where these characters have received a vanilla envelope underneath their derelict home doors or various caves on the top of Hooville.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, Tyler Durden, obviously.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: On top of Mount Crumpet, yeah.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_03: And they've received a manila envelope.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_03: They know now that they have 24 hours to kill the other one.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_03: Find him, kill them, and do it however you want.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: Only stipulation is that you gotta do it alone.
• 43:57
  unknown: Right.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_03: So transferring into round two.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: Guests first, Holly, what do you think's gonna happen?
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_03: What goes down?
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's gonna be uh something Christmas related.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know whether the Grinch is gonna try and stuff Tyler Dead and down a chimney or tie him up like Roast beast and uh they'll feast on him on Christmas.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um what does it make?
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_03: Man flesh.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_03: So he's like a Hooville um Wendico.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's the Hooville, yeah, that's exactly it.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um but little Cindy Lou Who, she's not afraid of him, you know, and uh maybe she's somehow involved.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: But I I see I see Tyler Durden getting stuck down a chimney dressed as Santa.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: I see that happening.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: Shirtless, except for like a dirty Santa jacket that he took off of belt.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's it, yeah.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's just no, it's just like tied, like his chest is open.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like, yeah.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: I see that.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I see that in my mind.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: All right, all right.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um Jay, stop.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this is an interesting one.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: So Tyler Durden has two ways of fighting.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: He he he either has fisticuffs, classic fisticuffs, or he uses his environment as a weapon.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_02: He uses like he's very because he's not real, he's very dissociated from the violence that he does.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: He like set bombs was the violence that he did.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_03: He'd start murdering Hooville.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if he'd start murdering.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, yeah, because he even when the credit card thing happened, he made sure that the play that's interesting.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_03: Tyler's got like a weird, I don't want to hurt anyone.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_03: He's fine hurting people.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna be he's gonna bury Hooville in like single serving sachets of like sugar.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: He's just gonna stand to show them the put a mirror in front of their face.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: So he's just gonna drop a shit ton of like those tiny UHT milk cartons just all over the place, and that's it.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, just soap, just bars of soap.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: So so Tyler, like we were saying, he he sent those bombs.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_02: He couldn't have made sure he like people die if if they're if a building collapses near them.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: He couldn't stop people from being on the street and shit.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's a dumb thing to imagine that he didn't kill anyone.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, even the the business sector of Chicago was empty if he drove through it.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_03: No, it isn't!
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: You drove through it, you were there, and that's why.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: You saw other cars there, there were homeless people.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_03: Midnight in the business section, not at all.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_03: There are homeless people.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_03: The homeless people are gonna die, yes.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, but I don't think Tyler cares about it.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_03: There are people.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: I know he doesn't care, and that's the thing, is that he doesn't really he has a very narrow, he's he's actually pretty narrow-minded.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_02: He's not that smart.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, he he doesn't, he does he's not very considerate, um, which is why he ultimately ends up getting shot.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he makes you do those things.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so he's very dissociated from the violence he does unless it's with his fists.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that he's going to try to dissociate himself from his encounter with the Grinch.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_02: But the thing the thing that the Grinch is great about is when he when the environment attacks the Grinch, he has cartoon powers where he flies off and some crazy thing happens to him, but then he's okay after it.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_02: And then he had he goes through a growth period where he learns from he does.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is over the course of 24 hours, yeah.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_02: He goes through a growth period where he has an epiphany about how to deal with the situation where Tyler Durden does not have epiphanies.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: He literally is obstinate to wait till the point that he gets murdered.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then um, and I would say that Grinch's growth period there and his ability to like make a new plan of attack.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_02: He does make repeated plans of attack uh over the course of the movie, and finally he comes to a conclusion where he succeeds.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so this is my only dissent.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_03: I I I agree with you 100%, everything you said.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I was even gonna give it further to the Grinch just because the Grinch has his sleigh that launches off into the sky.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's pretty fucking sweet.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: If you've got an answer to the sweet sleigh, sweet ride, yeah.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, all he's gotta do is drop presents on fucking Brad Pittman.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_02: Look, I'm doing capitalism, fuck you!
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: The only thing I would say is that if the Grinch, though, if he has a growth moment in this period, his heart is gonna grow ten sizes too large.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_04: And it's gonna go into cardiac arrest.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_03: And the sleigh's gonna crash, and then Brad Pitt's gonna beat the fuck out of him.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um so I bought all these presses with Bitcoin.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_03: So I I think that the one thing that the Grinch has to do here is prevent his heart from growing suddenly.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think it'll be.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: He really does, yeah.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: He really wants to stop that.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_03: If he grows suddenly, he's gonna wind up in ER, and then Brad Pitt's gonna beat the fuck out of him.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, that's where I'm standing.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so uh Holly, final thoughts and a vote.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's gotta go to Tyler again.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: He's just, yeah, he's just too much for the Grinch.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm concerned about the Grinch's growth.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't want him to kind of enter into this growth period because yeah, his heart.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: Too much, too much for him.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_00: Way too much.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_02: James, final thoughts and a vote.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh in this uh in this one I disagree.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think the Grinch's cartoon powers are just uh there's something that Tyler Durin doesn't have.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_02: Tyler Durden has like bad uh plot hole.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: He has plot hole powers, but they're not-I don't think plot hole powers are enough to compete with cartoon powers.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_02: No thanks.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_02: No point.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good point.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: Good point.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I think I think I'm gonna have to vote uh Grinch on this one.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, and for me, I I'm gonna I'm gonna have to go Grinch myself just because he has the sleigh.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that if you have your air power, you can take out a guy on the ground before your heart bursts out easily.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right before.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you've got to be quake.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can do it.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so there you have it for round two.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_03: It goes two to one uh in the Grinch's favor.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's not two to one.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_03: We all that's right.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_03: This is high and dry podcasts.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_03: So, in the event that we all vote the same way, it was never any different.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_02: We all felt your opinion magically changes.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_02: And it'll do the same, it'll do the same if we get outvoted.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_02: But there are no there are no split decisions.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: Our opinion is rolling it together.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_03: We're unified.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_03: The Grinch takes it.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_03: Congratulations, Mr.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_03: Grinch, on unanimously defeating Tyler Durden in round two.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_03: So moving on to round three.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it's the same thing as round two, except this time they get to bring a friend.
• 51:06
  unknown: Woo!
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_03: This is what I was waiting for.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_03: This will be interesting.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot going on here.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_03: Grinch famously friendless.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: Well, he's got a book.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_03: Let's see what happens.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, it's friendless.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: So uh we could resurrect Max.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's obviously had his methods and like flung over the side of the ring in round one.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I think I'm gonna bring in zero from from Nightmare for Christmas, because that's Max, that's dead Max, right?
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's trippy.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna bring in uh Cindy Lou Who.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: So she's she's cute, she's very sweet, but she, with the power of her cute, innocent little voice, is just gonna destroy Tyler Durden.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: Just with the pure beauty.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's gonna cure the narrator of dissociative identity disorder.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, yeah.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: No medication could could compete with Christmas spirit.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, those big eyes and that little beautiful song, she's just gonna destroy him.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: She's just gonna melt his eyes with innocence.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_02: Even 90s angst didn't kill children.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's why we're here.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we it Tyler Durden, I think you're totally right that uh if he went to go uh go attack this tiny little girl, he you know that you know that Brad Pitt first face where he's like, God, I want it, I want to do it so bad, but then he like fights himself.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's doing that, like Yeah, like I wanna I wanna punch this kid to death, but I can't bring myself to do it.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's doing like full kind of like what's in the box kind of interesting, interesting.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_03: Well go James, what are your thoughts?
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_03: What's gonna happen?
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: I I agree with this matchup.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think that uh I think that it doesn't matter who Tyler Dern brings, actually.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think that he's gonna fail.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I think that having uh ultimate ultimate childlike innocence and goodness is the counter to Gen X angst.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's the opposite.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_03: Well, then I I would like to offer one friend that uh Tyler Durden can potentially bring.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um I mean, because we're talking about zero, we're talking about all of them.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um so because so you have Tyler Durden, who looks like Brad Pitt for a second, but then he realized that it's Edward Norton, which means that Brad Pitt's still available.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, who's Achilles?
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_03: I think he is going to bring in his character from the Inglorious Bastards.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I think I think there'll be a scene because he's trying to steal Christmas, he's trying to steal America, where you have that character, you know, talking about, you know, we don't want, you know, you know, when when this war is over and you're done fighting Tyler Durden Grinch, you're gonna go back home, you're gonna shave your green fur.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want you to forget.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want anyone to do he's gonna carve, you know, Nazi into the Grinch's forehead.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I I think that um because we're talking about generational battles, I think that Tyler Durden is going to bring the greatest generation and you know bring the head of the Inglorious Bastards, and they're gonna beat the fucking like them with a 90.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_03: We get them at their best.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um so I see him.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_03: I I can't remember his name right now.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um I can't remember.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: I can't, I can't, it's gone.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_02: The guy from Inglorious Bastards, that's who I would have been able to tell you in the past.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_02: I tried to re-watch Inglorious Bastards.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's a long film.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_02: It felt it was really long and it felt kind of trite.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't feel as it didn't feel as meaningful as it did nowadays because, you know, of all the Nazis running around.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um we just let him run around.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: It definitely doesn't feel as doesn't feel I don't feel as inspired anymore or entertained.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just kind of like, fuck.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's too close to reality.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: We need him.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and so I think that uh I think that Tyler Durden.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_02: He's also like incompetent and like hyper-patriotic, like incredibly nationalistic, but the other thing.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_02: Which fits right into it.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_03: You have some son of a bitch trying to steal Christmas.
• 55:19
  unknown: That's true.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_03: But then uh You know, I think it's like paper versus scissors at this point.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: But then Tyler Durden's trying to destroy the credit card companies, which are also like that's an American tradition.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_03: And they'll fight?
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um I still think Grinch.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so bringing it back, uh Holland, final thoughts and a vote.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_03: How's this gonna go down?
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's it's Grinch all the way.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's gonna win this big just because of the pure power of Cindy Lou Who.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: She uh she can't be beaten.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: She literally can't be beaten.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: She's a child.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_02: His comedic ability to take damage is like insane.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_02: And when when we removed, when we put them in a blank room, his comedic ability to take damage didn't have much of an effect.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_02: He was just an exploding mass of teeth and fur.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like a muffin.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like a muffin.
• 56:12
  unknown: Exactly right.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_02: But like now that he has his comedic ability to recover from extreme damage, uh, I think that's uh I think that he and the power of an innocent child.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_02: Because you know, uh you know Brad Pitt from Glorious Bastards wouldn't attack a child either.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um well I'm she's a little she's a little white girl.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think that I nobody attacks little white girls.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_02: Not in the movies.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um well then I would I would have to say I I think I'm going I'm gonna go the same way.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_03: Uh but I think it's gonna be a Pyrrhic victory.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_03: I think that you know the Grinch is gonna be on his knees, you know, just getting his shit wrapped with a bat.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_03: Just drags the bloodstain.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know, or even if she's just like she comes down the stairs and we've got her little song and everything like that.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_03: She has, yeah.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_03: And then she blows him away with you know her father's rifle.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um he didn't fly off and end up okay.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: Then she just goes back to bed.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_03: The Grinch is like, gotta go sew his teeth back in.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: She's got her glass of water and she goes back to bed.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's it.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um well, there you have it, folks.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_03: Congratulations, Mr.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_03: Grinch.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_03: You have won this particular episode.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_03: So two to one.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um Grinch means it.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_03: He's a mean one.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_03: Congratulations, Grinch.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_03: You have defeated Gen X Fury.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: That is some feat, really.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: In the end, that's kind of what happened.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_02: They kind of just said, oh, fuck it.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_02: It kind of just got phased out where people like were like, oh, this isn't really going anywhere.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_02: This ang this angst is directionless and therefore hasn't achieved much.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there you have it, folks.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_03: So Grinch takes it.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um, congratulations, Mr.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: Grinch.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Holly, thank you so much for coming on the show.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thanks, guys.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a blast.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_03: We hope you have fun.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_03: We hope you people at home enjoyed the listen.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Holly, before we call it a day, where can we find you again?
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_01: So you can find me on Instagram and also on Twitter.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my handle is HollyWeird.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: So it's Holly W Y R D.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_03: Looks.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you so much again.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um it has been a great time.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_03: And for those of you listening, uh, if you've listened to this, you know where to find us.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_03: You did it.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_02: How could you listen to us without knowing where we are?
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_02: You did it.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_03: Bye.
• 58:43
  unknown: Bye.
• 58:44
  unknown: Bye bye.