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Strictly Come Hamster - Series Six (featuring Frazer Gregory, James Hadwyn-Bennett & Michael Storm) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  We are in your Universe now. Dr. Why should it matter to me,
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  in which room you die? I can kill you just as easily
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  here as anywhere. Fear me, I've killed hundreds of
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  time awards for me. I've got all of them.
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  Just forest in here. Yeah.
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  You're right, you've completely won.
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  Oh, you can kill his noodles of really inventive ways.
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  But before you do Killers, allow me and my friends, Amy and Rory,
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  to congratulate you on being an absolutely worthy of poem.
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  Definitely not least. The Tardis Matrix says a living
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  consciousness. Up into a human body.
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  And look at her. She stopped breathing.
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  Enough. That is enough.
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  It's never enough Matrix and live.
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  Look at her body house. You think I should, I think you
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  should be very, very careful about what you let back into
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  this control. Stop this.
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  Like. Oh, look at her go.
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  Finish him off, girl. Welcome back to Strictly Come
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  hamster. My name is Joe Ford and if no,
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  this isn't a festive special. We're doing this very close to
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  Christmas. It's free.
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  Gentlemen, on the call with me. Two are wearing feces ones
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  wearing a festive jumper and I've come looking like a tramp.
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  I'm gonna immediately hand over to guest host Fraser Gregory
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  today. Who has Promise to keep the free
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  of ours in check if that is humanly possible.
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  Hello, Fraser. oh, that's That's not what we discussed.
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  Oh, What? I think that was part of the
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  deal, keeping anyone in check. I mean, it is me after all, who
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  am I going to keep in check, I love you saying this pair.
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  Oh yes, yes. Well come to them in a minute
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  and but yes, thank you very much for having us Joe as the guest
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  host for this particular episode and see what a big shoes to
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  fill. I've the cool horse and part of
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  that being introduction and all Rod Easter love a big long
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  introduction in the season, we're going to talk about and I
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  tried my best for you and you know, I started right next.
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  It seemed to be going well and kind of the wheels fell off
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  after a little bit. And so I went on the next page
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  which just seemed a little bit, you know, Bland I was swapping
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  it backwards and forwards between page nine or ten as
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  well, and that didn't seem to work.
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  So I thought I'll probably best get someone else in the right a
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  bit of this. And that guy got canceled and
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  that was going really well. And well, you know what you're
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  doing here. Yeah.
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  Write most of that myself as well and you know, by the time I
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  got the pages five and six, it was just getting into Motley
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  jokes about goo and flesh and all the rest of it.
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  So it was just staggering to some Sort of semi finale, that
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  was doing awesome. So I thought I'm gonna pause it
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  there, I'll leave it. I'm going to leave it.
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  A couple of weeks, I'll come back to it and I'll completely
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  ignore everything that I've done so far.
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  And all right, some really stand out paragraphs and pages and and
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  that seemed to be going well as well.
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  But then and James Corden, turned up and before I know it
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  has all of it, wet fart. So that's not happening.
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  All I'm going to say is welcome to the Series. 6 Strictly?
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  Come hamster, Smackdown. This will not be a car crash at
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  all. Well, seriously.
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  Well, well, well, let's see because Joe you are renowned for
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  being a big, big, big old fan of Mr. Stephen, moffatt, and, is
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  this a series that you dislike, or is it one that you actively
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  lost? Actively low.
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  This is my least favorite season of Doctor.
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  Who Knew and classic. Why is that?
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  ah, because I hate all the regulars because I don't like
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  the story it tells because I feel as if the whole season is
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  structured us about it because I think the twists are obvious
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  because I think the story is telling is lazy.
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  I hate the jokes in this. I hate the tone of it.
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  I hate that dismal color palette of it.
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  I hate it all apart from a few surprises.
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  And that was Strictly. Come On, Let's see.
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  We six Christmas. Well.
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  Obviously, you know, you've come up against me who someone has in
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  the past labeled champion of the Damned.
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  So, I am expecting a bit of a 50 cuffs, shall we say?
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  But for disagreement bit of a back and forth.
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  Yeah. But I am I have allowed you to
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  bring a champion. You have bought one champion.
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  Who is gonna back your corner? Who's gonna come up?
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  Swinging against Mr. Moffatt, we already know.
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  He's feelings on one particular episode because he covered it
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  with you on hamster with the blood and they would you like it
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  introduce your Champion Jewel. I would indeed all I.
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  Now given what is just said off my, um, wondering if it was
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  after all Mr. James had with Bennett, hello James, good
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  evening. The votes from the dumb blonde
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  jury are as follows Lil pois. No pois know.
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  Yeah. If only anyone in my corner
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  James honestly, without kind of them, spoiling too much, keeping
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  your powders dry, as you can for discussing the individual
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  episodes. What are your thoughts on Series
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  6 of Doctor Who I call it serious 5B So I, I had a
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  interesting time revisiting these stories because they're
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  ones, I kind of like actively avoided in many places.
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  But yeah, it's the fact that the plot line for series six.
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  He's set up in Motion in the first episode of Series 5.
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  And you know you've got prisoner 0 saying the Pandora will open
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  and silence will fall. And then in vampires and she got
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  that wonderful atmospheric bit at the end where literal silent
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  Falls. And then Steven Moffat, finds a
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  wall and pisses up it. Oh, basically kind of serious
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  six. I've had, I've genuinely
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  agonized over some of these decisions because there's some
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  moments and some ideas in there. Which I really good.
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  But they're let down by being kind of also by having, you
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  know, these plot arcs bolted onto them.
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  And yeah, there's this kind of underlying feeling of as you
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  said at his writing something, then he's kind of thrown that
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  away written the next story. Written.
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  The one after that. Throwing the second one away,
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  but not updated. The third one to reflect the
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  changes. He's made to other ones. and
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  it's like this kind of bloody Dominos thing where can I like
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  suddenly you've got dominoes falling which aren't connected
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  to anything else and it's I was going through it and I'm
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  thinking Where is this coming from?
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  You know, where where is season 6, actually, kind of come from.
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  I'm gonna have them notes as polite as I can.
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  You forgot what podcasts? Only use the word Mongolian
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  classified, four times. Has come from.
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  I really think he's trying to appear to be Americans.
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  I really do. I think he's a lot of substance.
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  Yeah, a lot of sit on me Darla log.
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  There's a lot of Characterization that doesn't
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  say, there is a lot in there which could have been good.
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  But it's just pissed away by some really shitty.
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  Non-sequiturs, you know, it's kind of like, you know, I'm
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  watching it. I watched it in order.
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  And I suddenly thought what, huh, where did that and I just
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  thought I missed half the episode somewhere.
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  So yeah, it's a real mixed feelings about Series 6.
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  At least I kind of stayed awake through it because of anger. and
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  I was listening to the season 7B one of this recently and this is
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  like yeah, the episode that people forget Well, by the way,
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  getting go on. I will be happy if If it just to
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  piss a certain previous guests off, if the equivalent of
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  underwater Menace does actually win, I will be perfectly happy
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  with that. You know what?
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  James it's hardly likely? Yeah, I genuinely I'm looking at
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  my notes, I'm thinking I do not know Who is going to win?
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  Because yeah, there's a lot of difficult stuff in this one.
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  There is, there is, and so that's that's team team and team
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  off it. And like I said, I'm a bit more
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  inclined towards the standings of Stephen then you guys are but
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  seven, I need to jump in as well. so I mean you you really
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  bought a heavy weight fighter and here Joe so it's only fair
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  that I do exactly the same and there is only one person who
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  could possibly fill The shoes stand up at the task of being my
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  Champion square and off against you, it has to be your nemesis.
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  The Undisputed Champions. Michael the storm cage.
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  Seattle. Thank you, Jeff.
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  Thank you. It's nice to be back here.
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  Oh, season six. I'm gonna say something which
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  will then which will shock it out which will shock one of you
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  but not necessarily in the way you're expecting.
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  Warm. Season 6.
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  Oh sorry, Serious Six. I should say it.
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  Is probably my least favorite of them off at 10:00 in the ranks.
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  I had no idea. However, that does not mean it's
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  my least favorite season of new hero.
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  No this is why is my Nemesis, you know, he's always shocking
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  really like this. Well, this podcast is important
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  shocks and surprises. And one episode is in my bottom
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  10 of all time. That's not a very nice thing to
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  say about the curse of the black spot now, was it?
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  Elsewhere. So in your bottom 10, I've had
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  to extend my bottom pass the 0 point down to kind of like
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  negative numbers for some of these stories.
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  I'm an artist. Now we have been never seen them
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  a size however you say it sometimes now, you know, but I
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  need to thank you, you know, because you just give me so many
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  great comments to read out in these Truly Come hamsters, your
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  comment on Nightmare and silver. That's so much.
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  I've got so many gags out. Thank you very much.
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  You have So, my goal, if it's not really not your most
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  favorite of this year about what are your thoughts in general?
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  Are you hate the term difficult? Second album.
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  But It is a bit of that. Its let's say it feels like I
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  don't think there's splitting. The seasoning too has helped it
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  at all. In fact, I think it's caused
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  more fuk up Senate than it needed, then it needed and
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  particularly when they started moving the stories around a bit
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  and I'll get to that when it will get to that when it goes to
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  this those episodes, but what it's got, lots of ideas.
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  And now, this is another shop, Joe Ford moments, because it has
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  the what I call the Robert Holmes problem is that goes for
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  the moment and then it all kind of falls apart at the end
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  because he'd oh, I need to get to the ending.
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  So I suppose if something is aiming for the American Market,
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  he's copying another Steve one who is a popular American
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  Author? That's a certain Mr. King who
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  has great setups and chunky and things?
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  There's lots of very impressive. I mean, visually it's more the
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  most impressive. There's lots of Good
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  iconography. There's you better automobile
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  sequences but I feel it just becomes the part so less than
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  the sum. And some stories are too long,
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  some stories, too short. So should just never have gone
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  there in the first place. There are certain moments which,
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  and we think, oh, that probably look great on paper, but I think
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  Actually, that was a bit silly of us.
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  So overall, it's a good, it's a good showcase for Matt Smith as
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  he gets to gets a bit more meaty material.
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  Amy becomes both likable and Incredibly selfish and
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  irritating. Other than a bit of a bitch in a
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  particularly one episode you say becomes Well even more.
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  So thank you. Yeah.
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  And but of course, the true story has got to be good, the
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  lovely long suffering roaring. He is, he is the Doctor Who
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  version of the hemped husband from various sitcoms, he's bully
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  batty. He's He's been that guy from
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  people for children, carry all summer.
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  Bane, he spent another bed. I thought you've got to say, the
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  MVP was River Song, man. I was gonna win.
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  The call Em. I mean, I can't really disagree
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  with a lot of what's been said so far.
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  I'm going to don't go along, oh, it's gonna happen but, you know,
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  I can, I can see his points, I really can.
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  And if you'd asked me a few months ago, you know, what was
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  my least favorite? You know, series of new?
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  I would, maybe he's gone for this one between this and 9 and
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  7, you know? The usual usual suspects, but
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  then someone made me sit down and watch it.
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  From a podcast. Mr. Ford and I have had a few
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  Todd moments here if we've got listeners familiar with 53
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  podcast, the Todd moment. Being when you think you don't
• 15:49
  like as a episode, you go back in your watch it and you
• 15:52
  ReDiscover it. And you think actually That's
• 15:55
  not as bad as I thought it was. What's a Todd Moment In Reverse,
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  you know, where you like something and you watch it.
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  I thought my rent. I don't know where I read my
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  reviews and then I watched him this time and I was like, oh
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  dear, yeah. I mean, I can, I can certainly
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  see what James will see in about the sort of lack of cool Asian
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  over the series as a whole. It just seems to be, you know,
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  there's not much with law with the Orchid kind of like oh not
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  okay. And there's very little kind of
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  stitch in the series together as a whole butt and we're not
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  talking about the whole series and We're talking about
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  individual episodes, so it's been really kind of interesting
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  to see. Well, I need to watch this song.
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  I'm watched it in years and he watched this one.
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  So I'm watched it in years and just watch those episodes,
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  individually out of context a little bit and see how the
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  actually work is. It's episodes because I am going
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  to use that. I'm afraid of the difficult
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  second album. It is kind of Moffitt going is
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  our great success with Series 5. Has he got?
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  Yes. It's brilliant.
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  It's brilliant. Did you watch that song over
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  into Power? Yes I did.
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  And it's fantastic. Three of the Daleks.
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  Yes. And we talked about it and we
• 17:09
  agreed, it was fantastic. Listen podcast, we're trying to
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  get the doctor in bed at the end of Flesh and stone.
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  George still has a power down and he's back every Buffy has
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  its with power down, tell you otherwise.
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  So, and you is true. It's coming out of this one.
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  It's kinda like, you know, he's trying to do something a bit
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  different part of that. So I'm necessity because he's
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  got a lot going on and that certainly takes his eye off the
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  ball. And we'll see that lack of cool
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  Asian I think is As a result, but he's trying to shake it up a
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  bit. He's trying to get away from
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  this. This format will have the five
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  years now and that RTD set up in series morning and he's Shaking
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  things up a bit, something's work something gonna get in with
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  bought overall. I think it's a very sort of
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  shift between light and attainment.
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  Of Series 5 in actual drama in series six.
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  There's a lot more drama going on and then anything else and
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  it's quite High drawer. It's yeah, he wrote it when he
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  was high. It is you say hi drama.
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  I say it's trying to be quite adult.
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  Yeah. Well in in unfortunate ways,
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  it's the It's a tricky one. It's like I don't what you mean
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  by adults. Don't murder babies, don't
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  murder companions. Don't do things.
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  We'll come to that because none of them things happen, but they
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  do happen. I don't care if they do.
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  They thought they were real. The impact of the people is
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  real, we'll come to it. We'll come to it.
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  Okay, fine. But so let's get you in that
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  position, though. All right, I'm gonna put you in
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  that position or be. That you think that's your baby
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  and it turns to go in your hands?
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  And tell me that's not that's not at all.
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  It's drama. It's not late and attainment
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  anymore. It's drama.
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  It's what? I'll say that, but and that's
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  what we think. Should we have a listen to what?
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  The general public thing. Because we have had some
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  comments for this, haven't we? So did you read through him?
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  I think it's weighs a lot in One Direction.
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  It was. Yeah, so I read them and I
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  thought I'm not alone. There's nothing like
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  confirmation bias is their own? Yeah, oh, I'll go first because,
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  yeah, I agree. The, the first two words, from
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  Paul cresser, unbearably smug. It doesn't intrigue me as a
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  viewer. It actually pisses me off and
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  alienates me and even on rewatch when I do know what's going on.
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  I still can't shake that feeling.
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  That said the four regulars are turning in excellent performance
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  is despite the material they're given Paul.
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  You are a man of astute, kind of, you know.
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  Observation. It takes a fine model shot, you
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  know. It's um, okay, I'm gonna keep
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  quiet. Oh, we got left handed,
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  Dominican well, the gold complex was good.
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  The rest watches like muffins to read through alien, bodies and
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  interference of what? Oh, that's a good idea.
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  Oh, that's that bit. But there's ideas.
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  But also incredibly smart and never for the benefit of the
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  listeners. I just did.
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  The inverted are quote. Should we do a clock for how
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  tall is people use the word smug in the comments?
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  Do a drinking game with a bottle of absent?
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  Know the smug won't work. It right.
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  Okay. Oh the wonderful Mark Doric the
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  yes the year. It felt like the wheels were
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  coming off brackets or starting to reaching for things.
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  It couldn't really pull off at times, who wants to pull off
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  Matt Smith, some highs and some really good ones to.
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  But more lows Chris Curtis to two plan pots in the ark The
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  river Ark was gonna lift the hold the season doctors say
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  should have been another season Arc.
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  The plot Creeks under both Jason Thompson and another very
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  intelligent person. A crudely done Ark with a
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  showrunner Who is the That's true.
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  Yeah, I like about Hanky Panky. Darren lit Randalls.
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  I had a sense with serious five about the show.
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  Wasn't clicking for me to despite some bright spots.
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  Serious 6, put a lot of effort into trying to convince me that
• 21:53
  the show really wasn't for me. The churchy dog.
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  Being the biggest reason I'm going to see this is that most
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  hat so those that Steven Moffat will make trees filled with
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  tantalizing. The beautiful images that really
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  inspired. You imagination that in context
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  you to find it. Was it was nothing moment,
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  usually just throwing away. He's really sure isn't it?
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  That is really serious. It's quite there's one, one.
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  Big example of that I've got in my notes as well for later on.
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  Alright, Paul Smyth Series 6 literally goes from the sublime
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  to the ridiculous genuine. Mixed least favorite Eleventh
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  Doctor series. I still love it.
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  It still has some standouts. I think the break in the middle
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  was about idea. So do I Crashed dummy.
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  For me CES 6. A Series 6.
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  Contains the BET best Matt Smith.
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  Sorry I'm stumbling on the world's best and Matt and Smith
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  incense the best, Matt Smith episode and the worst with some
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  okay episodes. People don't like and some
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  terrible ones that people love. It's the first season that feels
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  wholly. Moths, the RTD templates has
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  gone and we're on the downward spiral.
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  So I think he's a bit unsure Moffitt, isn't he?
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  James I'll warn you know get used to here in the words best
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  and Matt Smith in the same sentence as well.
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  Then. Okay.
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  Gareth Burley best go complex Moody tents and a non
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  overlooking story. These like a step back to the
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  Lord who territory with a terrific alien design.
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  Worst, everything else. It's a series that is concluded.
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  Self-absorbed, alienated to New Year's and ultimately dull.
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  None of it is consequential and exists.
• 23:37
  Purely to infuriate. Who has to say so definitely
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  kind of. Yeah.
• 23:45
  Spider-Man 72. There's some gems in this season
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  but for me, it falls apart in the second half.
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  The doctors wife is the standout episode for me.
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  I know I should love God, complex and girl who waited, but
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  they just leave me cold and don't start me on that awful,
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  flesh, two-parter, Charlie Barnes.
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  I remember not liking it on broadcast now it's grown on me.
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  It's moffatt his most ambitious and the dishes if they're worth
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  it in the writing, it's likely due to Moffett overseeing sure.
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  Because well, he's saying it's a girl.
• 24:18
  I'm not a shower. Fairly positive.
• 24:20
  Yeah. Um, and that the other end of
• 24:24
  the scale, damn, Hollingsworth. Series six is where Moffat makes
• 24:29
  the show disappear up. Its own ask but overdoing the
• 24:32
  whole look how clever I am cliche air quotes some great
• 24:38
  stories. Among the bewildering Ark
• 24:40
  frustrations though. The ubiquitous side Hearts, who
• 24:43
  it's Never heard of that. It feels confident, but the ark
• 24:50
  is Shake It. Best some strange choices
• 24:52
  throughout culminating the doctor, raising an army after
• 24:54
  Arabia has turned into good and then and then goes to meet
• 24:58
  Hitler or something. There's some great Standalone
• 25:01
  stories with the golf clubs Rising high but the black spot
• 25:04
  falling so low. Nathan bottomley, obviously,
• 25:08
  that one moment is unforgivable. Only one moment is unforgivable,
• 25:12
  maybe talking about that one of the best artists of the series
• 25:16
  doing funny and ambitious things, the show has never
• 25:19
  attempted before not as focused as serious five but wildly
• 25:23
  surpasses it in scope. And the people who don't
• 25:26
  understand what's going on are just not paying attention.
• 25:28
  We do understand outside bottomley.
• 25:31
  Now, we just don't like it. Daniel night after such
• 25:36
  successful debut season. This feels overly complicated,
• 25:39
  and rather Tower. Splitting the series really
• 25:42
  didn't work. He's the one of stories talk to
• 25:45
  wife. Girl clicks, all the best of the
• 25:46
  series wait for the convoluted story arc.
• 25:50
  Right. Oh dear.
• 25:52
  Someone's didn't get name checked.
• 25:54
  Kevy boy, 0712. Unlike Joe, I'm quite the fan of
• 26:00
  Amy. Especially in this series, my
• 26:03
  unsensitized types of salts on it.
• 26:06
  I find the stories in Series 6, not as watchable as serious 5.
• 26:09
  Although curse of the black spot is not the solid gold turd.
• 26:13
  Many think it is, You're fired. It is Kirby boy.
• 26:16
  Alright, give me a big last comment.
• 26:19
  Say this. Orange.
• 26:22
  All right. Orange, give me a Michael.
• 26:27
  They're going to Michael's is cock.
• 26:32
  My Bae, what is the tango? After loving Series 5, I
• 26:36
  couldn't wait for serious six and it didn't disappoint me, it
• 26:39
  must be a Michael thing. It was a time when it felt like,
• 26:42
  a lot of people were buzzing about Doctor Who again, and I
• 26:45
  loved it. But does the serious hold up?
• 26:47
  Yes, and no. Now, Big Orange Michael is from
• 26:50
  America, right? And suddenly the Americas are
• 26:54
  busing about it, but in the UK, that was not the case.
• 26:57
  I'm telling you, if he's from America, and he's using big
• 27:01
  orange. Yeah.
• 27:02
  Now, yeah, yes. Let's not go there James.
• 27:04
  Yeah. You move on and then we have
• 27:15
  said, we are going to get into this and we are going to discuss
• 27:17
  these stories. So let's get to, let's get crack
• 27:20
  and we have got a lot to get through tonight.
• 27:22
  So Seconds out round one. I'm going to send out your
• 27:26
  Champion. First Joe James pick your season
• 27:30
  6 Story 2 Celebrate or slam. So I was thinking about kind of
• 27:37
  you know which which one to go for and given I've got kind of
• 27:41
  like you that the shortest bass notes for it.
• 27:43
  I'm gonna go with the starting double Impossible Astronaut day
• 27:47
  of the Moon and I've only ridden down three things.
• 27:50
  I dislike about it. Only three, you're only free to
• 27:54
  be fair. Yeah, this but they are pages.
• 27:57
  Are there? No, the first one is the
• 27:59
  beginning. The second one is the middle.
• 28:02
  Yeah. All of it.
• 28:06
  There is that what you're saying?
• 28:07
  Hi. Right.
• 28:09
  Um, oh God, just this is this is one of the big problems as well
• 28:14
  with serious sex is that The ending is so catastrophically.
• 28:18
  Awful, it's difficult to kind of fill that out from the feelings
• 28:24
  of individual stories. So, start with the beginning
• 28:26
  bit. Yeah, a puffin, the fact that
• 28:29
  the BBC actually gave away the fake.
• 28:31
  The was the Regeneration of the doctor in their pre-published
• 28:34
  for the story is like what the fuck you thinking?
• 28:38
  So yeah, was the point. It's setting up.
• 28:42
  No, they because they they did this.
• 28:44
  They did think that one of these people is going to die.
• 28:46
  Oh, and then, literally, like a day before they put out a
• 28:50
  picture showing, Matt Smith regenerating.
• 28:53
  Which we've done one of those water, with the end of series 4.
• 28:57
  That was the big thing. Then was, yeah, when that isn't
• 28:59
  gets the kids watching, So my big problem is that kind of it
• 29:03
  turns out. Of course it's not actually the
• 29:05
  doctor yeah but and then make a really big thing about.
• 29:08
  Oh, we've got a burning, you know, because you can't have any
• 29:10
  single that means that the Tesla actor is a robot that can be
• 29:15
  destroyed by pouring, a kind of Patrol over written lighting.
• 29:18
  It How that kind of whole big again, the funeral thing pushing
• 29:23
  out some burning in all the boring crap can work and
• 29:27
  everything. How they don't notice that
• 29:29
  there's like a robot skeleton kind of not not decomposing into
• 29:34
  Ash is something that you think that that's why.
• 29:36
  It's not a boat, isn't it? Yes, I think maybe that's why
• 29:39
  they put a distance possibly. So because if they were right
• 29:43
  next to it on the beach, they might go.
• 29:44
  Oh yeah. I'm gonna go out on a limb and
• 29:48
  see the alien robots spaceship that can change.
• 29:51
  She in the doctor. One of Hitler's henchmen.
• 29:55
  Shein size. Change PMS could possibly pull
• 29:58
  off alone from Star Wars. um, sorry.
• 30:03
  But then you actually have no idea who uncle Owen is.
• 30:06
  From Steve's. The guy that gets burnt alive?
• 30:07
  Start the first one? Yeah.
• 30:08
  But does he decomposed into kind of?
• 30:10
  Like he's just about skeleton and that's a skeleton though.
• 30:14
  I mean, you know, when they're talking about no cells must
• 30:17
  remain, you know that to me suggests that it's not like even
• 30:20
  a skeleton left remaining. It is, you know, actually taken
• 30:24
  carry on. Um, so that's my problem with
• 30:26
  the beginning, right? The problem with the middle bit
• 30:28
  is the silence, they lovely, if you encounter them one-on-one, I
• 30:34
  can't like you did this really high concept alien which they've
• 30:37
  chosen to structure, and as it turns out, kind of like, you
• 30:40
  know, not just the whole of Serious Six around, but then the
• 30:43
  kind of crap up in like crop up in later episodes as well.
• 30:47
  I was trying, I was trying to work out because the time I was
• 30:53
  kind of like, okay they look really good and they've got that
• 30:55
  really nice. Happy electricity and
• 30:57
  everything. And then I thought, what
• 31:00
  happens, if a crowd of people encounter them and that's where
• 31:03
  the whole silencing for me falls apart.
• 31:06
  Because yeah, if only one person sees them then that's fine
• 31:10
  because that one person will then kind of forget about them
• 31:14
  and there's no issues. But yeah, this whole thing that
• 31:18
  all the side of Silence have been kind of manipulating
• 31:20
  Humanity. They've there's thousands of
• 31:22
  them on everything on Earth. A we've never had any evidence
• 31:27
  of them at all in any story before which to me, makes me
• 31:30
  think oh did the doctor bring them into existence by mistake
• 31:34
  when he rebooted the whole universe from a single Speck of
• 31:37
  oxygen at the end of Series 5 bastard?
• 31:40
  Yeah I mean he left the Daleks in for fucksake you know and
• 31:44
  then through a few extra ones for good measure. but this like
• 31:49
  yeah, so if the science is seen by a crowd of people, The chance
• 31:54
  is, are there's gonna be massive stereo because this big 8 foot
• 31:58
  tall thing with gangly limbs that quite frankly.
• 32:00
  Looks like something out of one even Levine's Recon.
• 32:03
  Yeah, it's just like, there's nothing else is Syria trying to
• 32:07
  get an entire crowd to forget when people are going to be
• 32:10
  turning around. So yeah, they work in the
• 32:14
  context of the scenes that they've been put in.
• 32:17
  But I realized I just did not believe in them as a race as a
• 32:22
  kind of as a bigger thing outside of these two episodes
• 32:27
  outside of the scenes that they were in.
• 32:31
  I mean there's some crap direction as well in the in the
• 32:34
  middle bits one bit. I've kind of highlighted here
• 32:38
  again the whole arcing out, who is River Song.
• 32:41
  Where kind of like you? The mystery is completely
• 32:45
  eradicated by her saying after she's done that kind of twirly
• 32:49
  gun thing, America, you know, where she shoots all the science
• 32:54
  and everything. And then says, oh, I hope my old
• 32:56
  man, didn't see that. Rory, is standing in the
• 32:59
  background. Well, do I wonder what they're
• 33:02
  trying to tell us with that? And to be fair now I didn't get
• 33:07
  it on my first watch. Oh the Trumpets.
• 33:09
  Say it seemed to be something because there's a few instances
• 33:14
  of that in Sherlock as well. Where the direction kind of
• 33:17
  decides to zoom in on clues or give kind of massive musical
• 33:23
  stings for bits, which if they're left them in, there's
• 33:27
  not cure us. That would have made them kind
• 33:30
  of, you know, less. There's so much in her hated
• 33:34
  though, with building the perfect prison cell out of the
• 33:38
  densest material in the universe.
• 33:39
  What? They're making it from, Steven
• 33:40
  Moffat. So yeah.
• 33:44
  The densest material in the universe.
• 33:46
  As I'm sorry I'm a physicist for them to say that.
• 33:51
  And then for them to be having men, lifting these blocks and
• 33:54
  pushing them into place. When in Warrior's gate dwarfs
• 33:58
  are like, collapse is an entire fucking Dimension, you know.
• 34:01
  Um yeah, this is not mad at e gloves.
• 34:04
  Come on work with it. It's my birthday gloves.
• 34:07
  Yeah, anything in the room with that.
• 34:10
  Much everything in the room should have collapsed into a
• 34:12
  black hole. Oh, it's a duck story made but
• 34:16
  made by you on busckier, you can't play this window.
• 34:19
  Should be pushed it too hard. Yeah.
• 34:22
  Um the whole box about the invisible Tardis.
• 34:26
  Oh it can't stay that way for long.
• 34:28
  Also, how long was it invisible in the cell?
• 34:30
  For? Oh, and by the way, how long did
• 34:33
  they keep Rory in the body bag after they shot him?
• 34:36
  No one noticed. There was no Bullet Hole.
• 34:39
  Sorry. I mean American Gun and are
• 34:41
  really freaking there. Were some Stormtroopers Alex?
• 34:44
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:46
  And it's like, okay, I think he shot him with a tranquilizer
• 34:49
  which somehow suspended bodily functions while they're in those
• 34:52
  body bags because that would have been an interesting kind of
• 34:55
  slight problem. And from Arizona to wherever
• 34:58
  Area, 51 is, you know, Oh, there's the green screen when
• 35:04
  they're standing in front of a polo 11 and this place green
• 35:06
  Sheen over the characters. It looked cheap um made it very.
• 35:12
  Oh yeah. So it's and then the ending.
• 35:17
  Oh God. That I like this kind of idea of
• 35:21
  Them doing the very cliche thing of broadcasting, the enemy
• 35:26
  motive kind of thing. and, Yeah, there are ways that they could
• 35:31
  have done it. but the problem for me is that, that footage Has
• 35:36
  been analyzed frame by sodding frame by so many thousands
• 35:42
  people. There are people are printed off
• 35:44
  like, every single bit of it, trying to find the bit where
• 35:47
  they found the studio that they filmed it in. and then suddenly
• 35:52
  even though there's kind of like you know, audio because that's
• 35:55
  again. If someone was blind but heard
• 35:58
  that audio would they forget the audio as well?
• 36:01
  This is. Yeah and it's just lovely.
• 36:04
  I mean that's why the never spotted the sign in another
• 36:07
  study just the half the just forgotten about it you know but
• 36:10
  say that's the thing. It always came to me as like a
• 36:13
  visual thing. You know, you saw them.
• 36:15
  So who would hearing a recording of them as in just the audio of
• 36:19
  them make them suddenly forget and yes, I see yes, yes.
• 36:24
  Nobody what anybody just I believe something doesn't
• 36:27
  something similar happened in day of the Moon where they play
• 36:29
  the audio recording to count it. It's again, this kind of the,
• 36:34
  for me, the silence just do not work something on this planet,
• 36:38
  right? Would be clever enough that
• 36:39
  whilst they're looking at the silence, they would be writing
• 36:42
  down. Yeah.
• 36:43
  Because I refuse to believe that every single person has ever
• 36:48
  seen the solids, nobody else for that.
• 36:49
  Yeah, that somehow they've just all forgot about it.
• 36:52
  No, because of evidence for being there in front of them,
• 36:56
  the forgot about this Mrs. Conspiracy theorist, not drops.
• 37:00
  Yeah, you go. Yeah, that's evidence about the
• 37:02
  site, and then I'll look away. And I'll forget about it because
• 37:06
  everything about The Silence. I forget what I read about them,
• 37:09
  what I see, what, what a smell everything I forget.
• 37:12
  So, where is say, but that's not in the story, that's kind of
• 37:17
  stuff that kind of. Yeah, there's nothing in there
• 37:18
  that says, oh, we forget everything that we have written
• 37:22
  and then read about them. it's just for me, there is too much
• 37:26
  of this kind of like, You know, you're gonna forget stuff that's
• 37:30
  in your own handwriting. and it's just like, there is too
• 37:34
  much of this kind of Magic about the silence you know you have to
• 37:40
  make a lot of leaps to make you really do say the number of
• 37:44
  people. I mean say who have analyzed
• 37:46
  that Bloody Moon footage? And yeah, the other thing is we
• 37:51
  then say, oh, you must kill us. You must, you should kill us.
• 37:53
  Yeah. Um, Buying now, we should be
• 37:57
  trip, literally tripping, over thousands upon thousands of dead
• 38:02
  silence bodies. Guess what?
• 38:04
  I'm gonna say. I've forgotten about it.
• 38:06
  Yep. I mean, okay, it has been a very
• 38:09
  long time since I stopped drinking but I've never woken up
• 38:14
  in those. In those years since I gave up
• 38:17
  drinking with large kind of gashes across my forehead, where
• 38:21
  I've tripped and Fallen onto the pavement and, you know, Um, or
• 38:26
  my kind of supposed to forget to like I've got a cut on my
• 38:29
  forehead. Yeah. so basically, I'm sorry to
• 38:34
  say, It kind of almost makes me want to bend Series 6.
• 38:39
  Because that opening two-parter which I'm gonna come back to
• 38:45
  when other stories I mentioned, because I'm keeping certain
• 38:47
  things back for other stories. Is so riddled with absolute
• 38:53
  bullshit. That I've gotta bin it and then
• 38:56
  poor Patrol on it and kind of reduce it to Ash sorry, a metal
• 39:01
  skeleton. A very subtle reaction to the
• 39:04
  okay. Yes.
• 39:08
  I think phrases forgotten everything about it.
• 39:10
  I'm trying to forget, I'm trying to hold you.
• 39:13
  They'd be trouble. Wait.
• 39:15
  Let's go see what everyone else thinks about this one.
• 39:18
  George do you want to start? Yes, of course.
• 39:20
  Okay, Jason Thompson says the opening two part has a great
• 39:24
  conceit of using historic TV footage.
• 39:27
  As a means of defeating the enemy but it's so poorly
• 39:30
  constructed. It relies on The Good Fortune of
• 39:32
  the creatures saying just the right thing, I just the right
• 39:35
  time to be recorded and added to the broadcast all.
• 39:38
  So I'm all for dark Moody who but do we really need the first
• 39:41
  Cliffhanger of the season to be Amy shooting a child more on
• 39:45
  that later? Even if she didn't realize, it
• 39:48
  was a child until after the trial was pulled.
• 39:50
  The whole thing is trying too hard, to be weird and konsepti
• 39:54
  Bin. Down dolls.
• 39:57
  The opening two partner, I was wowed by production to part one,
• 40:01
  but then the follow-up felt contemptuous in how it dealt
• 40:04
  with the Cliffhanger, the problem.
• 40:06
  The whole series had setting things up that never get dealt
• 40:09
  with The fact they were just forget the drama of part 2 and
• 40:12
  go off for generated Ventures. Crash dummy, says astronaut Moon
• 40:16
  starts with the Dallas mystery in the show's history who didn't
• 40:20
  kill the doctor. He's not dead so I don't care.
• 40:23
  The silence are a diminishing return of Moffitt tropes and
• 40:26
  River continues. Her insufferable cliche driven
• 40:29
  existence. Bin.
• 40:30
  Now, I would like to comment. This are very disparate
• 40:33
  opinions. All right?
• 40:34
  Like, these are lots of people's opinions.
• 40:36
  If we're all going in the same direction, does, All I'm gonna
• 40:40
  say, Well, let's keep going and Jack Koya.
• 40:44
  Where you fall on. This is probably how you view
• 40:47
  the upcoming series, every positive and negative is here
• 40:50
  similar to The Big Bang in that we're hopping back and forth.
• 40:53
  Maybe the doctors dead, maybe he's not keeps disappearing Etc.
• 40:57
  I think it looks great and the location for me adds to the
• 41:00
  atmosphere but obviously the doctor isn't dead in the first
• 41:03
  story of his second series. So where's the suspense?
• 41:06
  Yes, I know like to significantly split his two
• 41:09
  partners but dear the moon feels too disconnected.
• 41:12
  Daniel Rawlings says killing off the doctor as you're opener, is
• 41:15
  a hell of a confidence. Start Shame about the ultimate
• 41:18
  payoff, who in USA makes for some stunning cinematic location
• 41:22
  work and the silence or a chilling.
• 41:24
  New monster too bad. We forgotten too bad, we've
• 41:28
  forgot about them. Am I right loves Smith in this
• 41:31
  one. James Locke, did they not bother
• 41:34
  with the tour meeting for this one?
• 41:36
  Some of the most disturbing images.
• 41:37
  The series has ever delivered. Will sure does with a pound
• 41:40
  Shop. Version of the slap gag from
• 41:42
  Pirates of the Caribbean while Murray Gould, Rees his crop Mr.
• 41:45
  Smith fungi joke with endless repetitions of Hills to the
• 41:50
  chief York, whenever Nixon appears as an episode of whoever
• 41:54
  looked so expensive while feeling so cheap.
• 41:57
  Peter out says, yes, it only makes real Sense on second
• 42:01
  watching. Once you've watched the rest of
• 42:02
  Series 6, that last seen, no changes, everything.
• 42:06
  Daniel Knight first part is impressive.
• 42:09
  Second, not so much. The silence are quite effective.
• 42:12
  If you don't notice, there was an old fled nostrils.
• 42:17
  Oh, and I really hate River slopping.
• 42:20
  The doctor stick around Daniel will be a lot of slapping going
• 42:23
  on. In this era, John been solea,
• 42:25
  says the visuals are stunning. The solids look creepy.
• 42:28
  The mystery looks intriguing, but that's all it is, isn't it
• 42:32
  looks looks looks. The second part is all over the
• 42:35
  shop moffett's vision of sitcom who is more style than year, old
• 42:39
  bread, plus River, bloody soul. Can I have a drum or please?
• 42:50
  Big Orange Michael longest week ever waiting between part one
• 42:55
  and two more foot does a serious finale as the season premiere.
• 42:59
  I adored that and I adore it, still those it all hang
• 43:03
  together. No, but the sheer joy in
• 43:06
  excitement. I thought then sustained me.
• 43:08
  He bit orange. Michael.
• 43:11
  The one person saying positive combs in this Well, let's find
• 43:15
  out. Michael, have you got anything
• 43:17
  nice to see about this one? Well, I see, as I am not good to
• 43:21
  surprise John, this one. Oh, James.
• 43:23
  So I'm going to keep this one. Excellent. yeah, first of all,
• 43:29
  I'm going to go with see how it looks.
• 43:32
  It step up step up from from what we've had previously with
• 43:37
  our today and with season 5 again for that far more
• 43:41
  cinematic polish. Look, we got some stunning
• 43:43
  location about the Utah sequences.
• 43:46
  Look at look amazing. And the Wonder is that
• 43:49
  wonderfully surreal shot of of the astral Lake.
• 43:52
  And actually we're in America. So the first thing which happens
• 43:54
  is somebody gets shot. Okay Tony is hats but it's still
• 43:58
  just in case you forgot to America but it's big yellow bus
• 44:02
  and Money. Remember the last time the
• 44:06
  doctor landed in America and the TV movie, you know so recurring
• 44:09
  fee. Yeah.
• 44:11
  See, probably stopped one of the America.
• 44:13
  Sadly, we did. And I'll say this, it's got,
• 44:23
  it's clearly got a bit of its roots in The X-Files in that.
• 44:27
  We've got the Secret alien conspiracy in the White House
• 44:31
  Area, 51. The Pentagon and the science
• 44:35
  even look like the Harshly but never quite see aliens, not
• 44:40
  supposedly were in the shop for most of the X-Files before, it
• 44:43
  went up his own ass and turned into something about slime oil
• 44:46
  and super soldiers. And barely any school, even
• 44:50
  that's a different thing. And yes that's got one of the
• 44:55
  Great Wall. It's Stuart Milligan.
• 44:57
  As Nixon is a a does a fine job. He catches the sort of makeup's
• 45:02
  going to give that Jamie off. Even the growl we got Cantu
• 45:05
  news, it both cantons very well played.
• 45:08
  And I quite it's got one of the most scariest, one of the most
• 45:14
  intense sequences in in the season, with, with Amy exploring
• 45:19
  the abandoned orphanage, and the, and the, and the scared
• 45:22
  taker, who know, and on the no accounted ever should be
• 45:25
  anywhere out anywhere near children.
• 45:26
  He's literally says he's writing his words.
• 45:31
  Get out to try and get him to himself, to get out and he keeps
• 45:35
  forgetting that. They think it's the kids but
• 45:37
  he's got no kids because the song Keep Whispering it to him
• 45:40
  and he can put here, the ghostly Echoes of baby River Song.
• 45:45
  Okay, so I do agree with you. I think the New Orleans are
• 45:49
  brilliantly shot and they're like straight out of a horror
• 45:51
  movie their tonally inconsistent with so much else that's going
• 45:55
  on here. It's just another element for a
• 45:58
  horror movie jammed in for 10 minutes in the middle of this
• 46:01
  story. There's also like a man.
• 46:03
  See a nice things. Come on.
• 46:04
  Oh, and also, we've got I do like the way.
• 46:10
  He's the, he's moved on from how the people have the two parts
• 46:13
  structure is working in RTD. Experimented a little bit with
• 46:17
  with Utopia last of the time or the wall in the middle.
• 46:21
  I can't remember the name of the drums, so the drum sets it
• 46:25
  whereby move by having the second part, the continuation,
• 46:28
  but not a direct competition from that point.
• 46:31
  It's moved. The plot plot on a little bit.
• 46:33
  So you'll Pretty much to adjust to an ear to name it to the new
• 46:38
  audience standard because they're in before.
• 46:41
  Would have a long time. We have two episodes of of them
• 46:44
  stenographer with this happens. This happens, then we'll go into
• 46:46
  this. And this was a bum, Bam, Bam.
• 46:48
  We've got it. Done in short takes to bring up
• 46:51
  to speed like it's like a recap without being a recap. and yes,
• 46:58
  there are some notes like the continual Found Affair for the
• 47:02
  next is a bitter gets a bit irritating after about three
• 47:05
  times. Yes, we've got the points and
• 47:09
  the Joker and the quote, and quote Joker about counting
• 47:14
  wanting to marry a black man and Nixon's.
• 47:18
  Perplexed reaction, isn't it. Mmm, but maybe that's me coming
• 47:21
  from a 2024 perspective looking back.
• 47:25
  Later on the heart, I say on the whole, I like to keep this one
• 47:28
  and I've just only clip the Cliffhanger at the end of the
• 47:32
  story with the child regenerating, what got me
• 47:35
  sitting up and paying attention. And then, next day, we're going
• 47:37
  to spend about 20 minutes to three of the Rangers at the bar.
• 47:40
  Why? That kid was not and not
• 47:42
  spontaneously combusted because they this was their first.
• 47:45
  This was their first time they never watched Doctor Who the
• 47:48
  plot some torture, but so, Various reasons, I'm keeping it.
• 47:55
  All right, Joe go. First seem to think that we've
• 47:59
  gotten better at telling stories and television over years.
• 48:02
  But honestly the story that takes place over a Series 6
• 48:07
  would have been done in 90 minutes in the 80s.
• 48:09
  Yeah. In Doctor Who you would have
• 48:12
  been out to tell that story and shows like lost and Game of
• 48:15
  Thrones and Doctor Who in the series 6.
• 48:19
  There's so fucking slow to get to the point.
• 48:23
  Sifting out, little bits of information over, 45 minutes for
• 48:26
  13 weeks. I just hate TV like this.
• 48:29
  I really do and I hate the show, delivering a seasoned finale as
• 48:35
  his owner. That's what he's doing here.
• 48:37
  Big Caesar finale, shocks, the doctors dates, you know, massive
• 48:42
  location where all the stuff you usually wait for the end of the
• 48:44
  season to really make your mark. This is this is where you so
• 48:48
  because of this. Oh no.
• 48:51
  The whole season feels anti-climactic that wedding of
• 48:55
  River Song is nothing to this in terms of scale, in terms of
• 48:58
  production value in terms of the shocks, it's delivering.
• 49:01
  So it just means he's basically shot himself in the foot from
• 49:05
  the off. That's my first apocalypse.
• 49:09
  Wow. Now I really quite like the
• 49:10
  vanquishers, so that's got three, Jodie, Whittaker's two of
• 49:13
  them flowing with each other. I love it.
• 49:15
  Um, she wrote your eyes at me James.
• 49:18
  Good. Sorry.
• 49:20
  You're on the term for Ingrid Pitt.
• 49:22
  That's bad enough. Oh my God.
• 49:25
  No, I was on the phone for a pits.
• 49:27
  I think the pacing of this is just diabolical.
• 49:31
  The death of the docs are is the dramatic high of this two-parter
• 49:35
  and it comes a third of the way into the first episode, which
• 49:39
  means everything that comes after that, and this two-parter
• 49:42
  as well feels like a damp squib. So I don't know what he's doing,
• 49:46
  he's sort of shooting his load in the first 15 minutes.
• 49:49
  The rest of the season, unfortunately can't live up to
• 49:52
  it. I don't like the fact that there
• 49:55
  is a manifest of questions left, at the end of this story, I
• 49:59
  found that so annoying, you know, like it means coming back
• 50:03
  to this. It just feels unsatisfying as a
• 50:06
  piece of the puzzle of this season as a story, right?
• 50:09
  I'm left thinking, well, who the hell is that?
• 50:11
  Little girl? Why does she regenerate?
• 50:13
  I don't care. I don't want to wait weeks and
• 50:16
  weeks to find out. It's just not for me this
• 50:19
  approach and I think it's not for Doctor Who this approach as
• 50:23
  well, because he never did it again.
• 50:24
  He tried it here and then next year we went into the movie of
• 50:29
  the week format he went in completely the other direction.
• 50:31
  So for some reason, he decided or the audience decided this
• 50:35
  approach is not working for what otherwise you would do it again,
• 50:38
  right? Rossi, Davis developed, a
• 50:40
  formula in one. He did it again in two, three
• 50:42
  and four and just got better at doing it or depending on what
• 50:45
  your opinion is. Whereas Moffat just goes off in
• 50:47
  different directions every year. Like he can't quite settle down
• 50:50
  or what he wants to be. Yeah, I I think there is some
• 50:55
  money on the screen here. I do like a lot of the Moon.
• 50:57
  I do. I like, This scene's with the
• 51:01
  silence in the toilet that lady for getting her and Amy seeing
• 51:03
  that she's there. I like the scenes in the
• 51:05
  orphanage. I hate, I really hate that.
• 51:10
  Little girl being shot at the end of the first episode, if
• 51:14
  that's the adult Doctor Who that you want to watch, kids being
• 51:17
  shot, good luck to you. But I don't want to watch that
• 51:20
  for shock entertainment shooting children.
• 51:23
  It's just not the way to go. Yeah, so it's a brood rude for
• 51:30
  later Seasons. I mean, it's a few later in the
• 51:32
  season. I wouldn't get rid of all, I
• 51:35
  don't shove him in that, lift, from the base below, you know,
• 51:37
  like, so just get in front down a hole, so we don't have that
• 51:40
  standard. Then whenever we see a child
• 51:42
  would duel like this child shot. Well, it's not the last child
• 51:47
  murdered this year, so, you know, it's a recurrent theme in
• 51:51
  seriously, six. Yeah, this just too much, that
• 51:53
  irritates me about this and the thing that irritates me, the
• 51:56
  most is River Song. Shooting a load of monsters at
• 52:01
  the end of the story and the doctor getting turned on by.
• 52:04
  No, no, I hate that. Weird sleazy horny thing that
• 52:10
  goes on with Stephen, moffatt, and violence.
• 52:12
  And women. It's just horrible.
• 52:14
  Been this. We're not gonna be this because
• 52:16
  I think phrases gonna put it first but it's just yeah, it's
• 52:21
  it really is getting the season off on the wrong foot because
• 52:26
  Because it is doing too much here and leaving nothing for
• 52:29
  their. Am I gonna put it through?
• 52:33
  Yes, that's a question. because there is a lot to like, and
• 52:38
  This. there's, The first part Impossible Astronaut and which
• 52:46
  does look really good, it looks done and the location footage
• 52:51
  out and shooting out in. Utah makes the most of that.
• 52:56
  Location and we really like the the light and in this I loved
• 53:01
  the lighting of the TARDIS in the first episode where you got,
• 53:04
  what looks like you know like the Setting Sun coming through
• 53:07
  the roundels and it's all sort of orange and yellow.
• 53:10
  It just looked really really gorgeous and I really like the
• 53:15
  play between River and the doctor when the land first land
• 53:20
  in Nixon's office in the tortoise is invisible and he's
• 53:25
  going outside and showing up through and that was just really
• 53:30
  enjoyable. And everyone that says, well all
• 53:34
  the suspense for the rest of the series is gone because you know
• 53:37
  the doctor dies in the first episode, I'm guessing none of
• 53:40
  his watch Colombo I hate Colombo, I tell you at the start
• 53:46
  who yeah, I'm sport from that point on our profile Murder.
• 53:50
  She Wrote because the point is we know the doctor isn't going
• 53:53
  to die. We know the doctor is going to
• 53:54
  get out of this. It's how the doctor said, it's
• 53:57
  how the doctor gets out of it. We know who's done the murder in
• 54:00
  the in Colombo. That's not the point.
• 54:02
  It's not, you know, Murder of the week, it's Colombo.
• 54:05
  It's about how Colombo is then going to solve that murder in
• 54:09
  the joy of that mystery. So again, like a look through
• 54:13
  mystery you. It's how does it?
• 54:15
  How does this look really work? Yes, a lot through mystery with
• 54:19
  an obvious desperately other, satisfying answer.
• 54:21
  So is that what we're trying to do?
• 54:23
  We're not, we will, we will not talking about the end we're
• 54:28
  talking about this episode and like I said, we're talking
• 54:30
  about, that's no, no, no, you should start, you should do a
• 54:36
  David Renwick, you should start at the end and build to it.
• 54:40
  You don't worry. All right, the end later if you
• 54:45
  want to do, what if you want to do a podcast where we talk the
• 54:48
  entire series through awesome, but we're doing individual
• 54:50
  episodes and this is the start So this is the start, he sets
• 54:55
  out very cleverly to say, here's your mystery.
• 54:58
  This is what's happened now. You've got another 12 episodes
• 55:01
  to figure out how I've done it. Or how I'm going to get out of
• 55:05
  it. And that should be should be
• 55:07
  because we'll come with later on should be the beginnings of a
• 55:11
  really excellent Arc but For this episode.
• 55:15
  That is really strong. And that was really engaging for
• 55:18
  me when last watch this through again.
• 55:19
  I was really engaged again. You know, watching the astronaut
• 55:23
  coming out of the lake, the doctor getting shot, go into the
• 55:26
  day at the doctor. Come through the door again.
• 55:29
  Going to Nixon going to that part.
• 55:31
  That was just, I really enjoyed the first episode. and then I
• 55:36
  watched the second, In a kind of went a little bit tits up.
• 55:41
  And I think Daniel late in the comments, there is probably some
• 55:44
  good at the first. It's it's kind of the old it's
• 55:47
  been going ever since And assessment, you know, first off
• 55:50
  good second half, not so good, because the problem with dear,
• 55:55
  the Moon is, it's not really a story.
• 55:57
  It is a set of set pieces. so you have you stop it where
• 56:02
  you've got the, the doctor And being chained up and grown ups
• 56:07
  and the dwarf star I going around and with the Maverick
• 56:10
  gloves being picked up with them.
• 56:11
  I've actually closed and put down and all the rest of it and
• 56:15
  just so we can have the dock, this, you know, even getting
• 56:18
  shot. And just so we can have them all
• 56:20
  up here in this room and into the tallest and it happened a
• 56:23
  nice little set piece and then we'll go to the orphanage.
• 56:25
  In the orphanage is is lovely that bit.
• 56:28
  It's it's really kind of spooky and it's it's even King stuff,
• 56:33
  isn't it? It's proper and you know, behind
• 56:36
  the sofa time for the kitties and that was really fantastic.
• 56:39
  Oh, that's that I, you know, was a fantastic character, really
• 56:43
  enjoyed that. And then you came to get to the
• 56:46
  end and the space and the kill all the side and then the small
• 56:50
  child regenerates in the back alley.
• 56:56
  It's just not cool here. It's not cool here.
• 56:58
  And is As a two-parter, you've got a very good.
• 57:04
  Episode one, you've got not as good episode 2 episode 1 episode
• 57:08
  2 or just completely missed the me.
• 57:11
  And so everything that I do like about this story, you know I do
• 57:18
  like the silence, I think the Silence of a fantastic creation,
• 57:21
  a really good gripping monster. You know, the sort of thing that
• 57:24
  kids will Clear in the playground.
• 57:26
  And I've got no a issues with the silence, you know, it's just
• 57:30
  a bit of suspension, of disbelief and you forget about
• 57:32
  everything. That's that's a really good
• 57:34
  hook. It's it's the same as like the
• 57:36
  Angels, he could probably go. And you know, pick holes in the
• 57:39
  Angels if you want to. So I've got no issues with them.
• 57:42
  and I just think, as a as a story, it doesn't work for me so
• 57:48
  you know it's not going for It's been gonna say I'm stubborn.
• 57:53
  Yes, I am. But I am gonna make this point
• 57:55
  because yes, the format of straight can't stop means that.
• 57:58
  We have to boil down the season into individual elements, but
• 58:03
  this is the one season where it kind of the format of the show
• 58:07
  does and yeah, because you can't take these on, they all like
• 58:11
  chapters in a book, one big book.
• 58:15
  And that's what he's doing with this season.
• 58:16
  He's deliberately structuring this season as one long story.
• 58:20
  So, all of these, the big episodes, this a good man goes
• 58:24
  to war, let's kill Hitler, a wedding of River Song.
• 58:27
  They all contribute to each other.
• 58:29
  It's really hard to consider them in their own right?
• 58:32
  But then you've got all the others which you've got so
• 58:35
  little to do with the ark. whatsoever, because it's got
• 58:38
  good, you know, We'll come with, we'll come to it.
• 58:41
  So Individually. You know, we're looking at the
• 58:45
  individual looking at the episodes and what is this
• 58:47
  episode? Now with your want to link that
• 58:48
  and say, well, I don't like this one because the ending was
• 58:51
  straight, because whenever song was shaped, well, I think maybe
• 58:55
  your choice. But for me, I am going, I am
• 58:57
  seeing, I'm gonna look at these individually because okay,
• 59:00
  that's the way that I'll do this.
• 59:02
  You do that, you repeat watching, it's annoying.
• 59:05
  It's things are annoying me more because I know where they go.
• 59:08
  Anyway, I'll shut up. Right into one part of the
• 59:15
  middle of the seasons. Oh, that that's for you have six
• 59:18
  episodes purely on this Arc of that other half a standalone
• 59:22
  episodes perhaps I think there's so much was gonna come to where
• 59:26
  you think, where is the ark and this the needs to be an up in
• 59:30
  this. All the ark needs to be
• 59:31
  stronger. It's very much, the Clara issue.
• 59:34
  It's set up at the start. It's abandoned for big windows
• 59:38
  and then suddenly there's this resolution at the end.
• 59:41
  It's I think Clara's done a lot better.
• 59:44
  Think there's a sense through seven, b, that the doctor is
• 59:47
  actively working on this mystery that is working on.
• 59:50
  And you know who Claw is, how was she the impossible girl that
• 59:54
  was through? There's nothing for the audience
• 59:55
  to do that. Runs through the sort of
• 59:59
  narrative of that season where is this is very much.
• 1:00:01
  You know, after this story we go and play a pirates.
• 1:00:05
  After Hitler, we go in to a council estate.
• 1:00:08
  You know there's there's only one other Story coming up which
• 1:00:13
  actively ties in with the ark without being one of these,
• 1:00:17
  bookends only a doctor who could you possibly say after Hitler?
• 1:00:21
  We're going to play in a council estate.
• 1:00:23
  Yeah. Alright, let's move on.
• 1:00:27
  So sure your Champions went out first.
• 1:00:30
  Let's see what your Nemesis can do now, Michael over you Oh
• 1:00:35
  thinking about this and you I really have to play the game so
• 1:00:41
  there's a couple of episodes. I want to vote on.
• 1:00:44
  Yes. So Since we've been to America,
• 1:00:48
  let's let's go. Well yo ho ho go for the gonna
• 1:00:53
  go for the personal black spot and the black spot.
• 1:00:58
  And I put now this is a little bit of a repeat for me because I
• 1:01:02
  because I discussed this with Ross Aiken on the galafresh.
• 1:01:06
  Most Wanted earlier in the year. And on my initial viewing back
• 1:01:12
  on the original broadcast, I thought, oh dear, this is a
• 1:01:14
  tedious letter crap and it's got that new, who cliche of art
• 1:01:19
  alien technology, which does it, which doesn't understand humans.
• 1:01:22
  Even though it's alien technology, should be able to
• 1:01:25
  figure out different biology and And we have alien Boogie and
• 1:01:32
  that's just annoying and and small fit moved it to the first
• 1:01:37
  part of the season because he thought well, the first part of
• 1:01:40
  the season is two indoorsy, too dark.
• 1:01:42
  And then we spend most of the time in another attack.
• 1:01:46
  It's a pirate ship. Why are we still looking for?
• 1:01:49
  Why are we not, you know who he should have a point.
• 1:01:56
  Actually, fighting off fire. At Sandra devil said, Michael.
• 1:02:01
  No comments. That's and yeah, we have the
• 1:02:06
  cliche of the doctors made to walk the plank but okay.
• 1:02:09
  You expect that because he it's the boys.
• 1:02:11
  But it's the boys book of pirate stories and it's unintentional
• 1:02:16
  prequel to The Smugglers. But if Avery's, but if Avery is
• 1:02:21
  treasury, is buried under that churchyard in Cornwall, why is
• 1:02:24
  he still become? On the ship and then boogers off
• 1:02:27
  the spaceship. With cardio to the Caribbean
• 1:02:31
  music. So as you might guess I am going
• 1:02:34
  to Yes, I'm going to pin this one.
• 1:02:39
  Hey, how's it? It's just kind of there.
• 1:02:43
  It's actually bad. It's just why.
• 1:02:47
  It's just why is this why they're doing this?
• 1:02:48
  Why are you doing this? And I said, it's just nearly
• 1:02:53
  shame will have some nice iconic moments of a pirate, but we
• 1:02:57
  don't actually do much priority thing.
• 1:02:58
  The side is quite is looks quite nice, but in realize Asian and
• 1:03:03
  just the actress playing goes quite nice as well.
• 1:03:08
  Oh, forget there was two heterosexuals on this call.
• 1:03:13
  Well, one of the house. Oh Fraser, I never could.
• 1:03:21
  And it's yeah. We have that. disappearing,
• 1:03:25
  captain, that disappearing Pirates were just thinking is
• 1:03:29
  Fall into the edit because it's been moved forward and the
• 1:03:31
  season and we have to have that Madame, cavallier East peering
• 1:03:34
  through the wall at 1 Point moment.
• 1:03:36
  And I think that's a, that's a victim of that.
• 1:03:39
  But it's also also Elements which are picked up.
• 1:03:43
  Again, in a later part of the season and done much better
• 1:03:47
  where the doctor has a theory. Build it up and then just proved
• 1:03:50
  wrong but here It's not a drill. It's not a.
• 1:03:55
  Oh my god, I've got it all wrong here to ha, ha.
• 1:03:57
  We're playing it for Laughs. When you think you're just in
• 1:04:00
  day. Why are you playing it for us
• 1:04:01
  when you're in danger and everyone?
• 1:04:03
  Why does Aviary magically know how to work the Tardis?
• 1:04:06
  Because it's a ship and, you know, it's completely different.
• 1:04:09
  I mean, if it was something about the Starship Enterprise or
• 1:04:11
  the Liberator, it's got sort of handles and things you go, oh,
• 1:04:14
  push this push that, but it's completely different circuits.
• 1:04:19
  It just annoys me. Yeah, he could be so much better
• 1:04:23
  than there. Actually is even the titles are
• 1:04:25
  cliche personal black spot. It's I read the first.
• 1:04:28
  He said, I've read the first chapter of Treasure Island.
• 1:04:30
  I know what it's all about. I even have somebody hiding in a
• 1:04:34
  barrel roll. Yeah, it into the bin.
• 1:04:39
  So to the viewers, Paul Smythe. Says.
• 1:04:45
  No, no, a truly Dreadful story. Pure who are Hugh banville
• 1:04:50
  Landing in this pile of trash in opposition to Paul Smyer.
• 1:04:55
  Dear, Lucy McCall says, I enjoyed the Curse of the Black
• 1:04:59
  Pearl, just me Stay tuned. Jason Thompson.
• 1:05:05
  Black spot does Pirates except they turn out to be quite nice
• 1:05:07
  Pirates. Actually.
• 1:05:08
  And we're supposed to forget just how it's actually get all
• 1:05:10
  that treasure generally involves a lot of killing.
• 1:05:13
  I do like the doctor being continually wrong about the same
• 1:05:16
  and how it manifests. Not too sure about the concept
• 1:05:19
  of an automated medical system. That can't tell the difference
• 1:05:21
  between a little injection in a minor injury or illness though.
• 1:05:24
  It's not great, but keep it was cat on Jason, just get the
• 1:05:29
  little details in his comments, you know.
• 1:05:30
  Crash Tommy says curses fine. It's a very basic story.
• 1:05:34
  Done with humor and fun. Amy is a pirate is great to
• 1:05:37
  look. It's a great look, so sorry and
• 1:05:40
  it has a beginning middle and an end.
• 1:05:42
  So, it's better than half this season.
• 1:05:45
  And the Glorious down. Hollandsworth says, the curse of
• 1:05:50
  Laura black spot is hot to care about which is not something
• 1:05:53
  Doctor Who should be Lovely Jack.
• 1:05:56
  Koya says a bit of inconsequential fun but it seems
• 1:05:59
  a strange detour to take after the interlinking arc from the
• 1:06:02
  first story. It should be swapped around with
• 1:06:04
  night terrors ho where the heavy genre pasties would fit in much
• 1:06:09
  better alongside stories. Like let's kill Hitler.
• 1:06:11
  The God complex. It's heavy on more fittingly
• 1:06:15
  from the empty child, everybody lives alien healing technology
• 1:06:19
  malfunctioning. I can't say there's much wrong
• 1:06:21
  with it, but if you listed 11th Doctor stories, this is the last
• 1:06:24
  one that you would recall. Don't sleep doctor who does
• 1:06:29
  Pirates? The doctor walking, the plank is
• 1:06:32
  funny. Bit more laughter goes oh he
• 1:06:35
  born. Bill fly in the Tardis and we
• 1:06:37
  falling for a son of his wife. But let's set it on a gloomy
• 1:06:42
  night on a become ship and no one really dies.
• 1:06:46
  James logs, says Doctor Who in an adventure with pirates.
• 1:06:49
  What could be more exciting? In turns out, the answer is
• 1:06:53
  freshly painted wall and a few hours watching it dry.
• 1:06:57
  Peter old. That thing I said about the
• 1:06:59
  nonok stories working. Well because they're not trying
• 1:07:01
  to be too clever. That all of it, what a brilliant
• 1:07:05
  twist. I remember watching it and
• 1:07:07
  working it out about 20 seconds before.
• 1:07:09
  The reveal should definitely go through if only because few
• 1:07:13
  Bondville managers for once, not to play a new banville.
• 1:07:15
  That's a good point, David Gillespie Pratt, says, black
• 1:07:20
  spot. So boring, I'd rather Watch
• 1:07:22
  Planet of evil again, twice. Daniel Nate another alien Tech
• 1:07:29
  goes. Fully plot with other ways.
• 1:07:31
  You Bondville is miscast as the Pio.
• 1:07:33
  He's too Posh, but Lily cool. It's suitably Sinnerman, quite
• 1:07:37
  fun. If you were in a good mood, but
• 1:07:38
  the end in his utter bobbins, John Lennon, Sally, a harmless
• 1:07:42
  enough, but as a substantial was a slice of cucumber for dinner.
• 1:07:45
  Piracy is aside two regular bugbears of the Moffitt era
• 1:07:49
  sink. This one, Rory is killed in
• 1:07:51
  inverted commas for the 500 and 540 second time plus everybody
• 1:07:56
  lives. Of course, I do.
• 1:07:59
  And what happened it up. It can only be the big orange.
• 1:08:02
  Michael. Who says it was between the
• 1:08:04
  premiere and Neil Gaiman, so it was never gonna get the truck in
• 1:08:07
  a deserved. It's better than many sea, but
• 1:08:10
  it could still use another pass at the script stage.
• 1:08:12
  Overall, I see keep it but barely Great.
• 1:08:18
  I am going to win on this one. First of all gentlemen, it's a
• 1:08:23
  very middle in story. This for me, it's very there.
• 1:08:28
  And things happen and it's hard to get excited about it.
• 1:08:32
  And in either way it's hard I was I was looking at this I was
• 1:08:37
  thinking right? Three things down about three
• 1:08:38
  things that you don't like see things that you do like you
• 1:08:42
  know, where you're going to go with this.
• 1:08:43
  And I really struggled with with, either to be honest and
• 1:08:49
  What? Then I remembered you know,
• 1:08:50
  while back someone gave me a nickname.
• 1:08:53
  What was that again? Jewish So, obviously, I'm gonna
• 1:09:00
  keep this one. I'm Gonna Keep It.
• 1:09:04
  The reasons billion one, there's just not enough in it for us to
• 1:09:08
  dislike at a stone. Get why?
• 1:09:10
  It's all sort of actively disliked this one.
• 1:09:13
  I'm sure I'm gonna find out very shortly but this just it's just
• 1:09:17
  nothing not enough for us to say this, deserves to go in the bin,
• 1:09:21
  it's a story, you know. That is when you're watching it
• 1:09:25
  passes the tape, it doesn't offend it doesn't upset.
• 1:09:28
  It's it's fine, it's fine. And I need more, I need less
• 1:09:33
  than fine to put stuff in the bin.
• 1:09:35
  That's my bar for these, okay? And second thing I'm gonna say
• 1:09:41
  is, is Hugh bournville because I really like him.
• 1:09:44
  And I really like these character and, you know, Henry
• 1:09:47
  Avery. Actual pirate, actually
• 1:09:49
  disappeared. So I love that element.
• 1:09:52
  And I'm sorry, Michael, I love the bit where he walks in the
• 1:09:55
  torus and knows exactly what things do that.
• 1:09:57
  Just adds so much to the guy, you know, that he isn't just a
• 1:10:02
  piece as you would think of them, you know.
• 1:10:04
  He's just a man that goes out, you know, Robin's and killing
• 1:10:07
  people just for a treasure and whatnot.
• 1:10:10
  There's actually something about them, you know, he's he's got a
• 1:10:13
  bit of You know spotless like when the second paper doesn't
• 1:10:17
  work on Shakespeare or whatever. You know this guy is a is a
• 1:10:20
  captain, he's a sealer. He knows he's weird around.
• 1:10:22
  A ship that element really worked for us and and last of
• 1:10:27
  all I suppose there's an element that we're going to come back to
• 1:10:30
  again in other stories because it's Probably the wooden theme
• 1:10:35
  throughout this series. We've got what Ark?
• 1:10:40
  Of the doctor to die and who was River Song.
• 1:10:43
  But the theme throughout this is parent Hood It kind of crops up
• 1:10:48
  in so many stories throughout this series, and so we've got
• 1:10:52
  every and we've got these kid. and, That sort of theme come at
• 1:10:58
  this point. Would this work better after
• 1:11:00
  Hitler? I'm not entirely sure it would
• 1:11:02
  because no, I think works in that spot.
• 1:11:06
  I don't, well I mean it's this problem of this incoherence of
• 1:11:10
  the series that you know, you go from Hitler which will come to
• 1:11:14
  which deals with the loss of Amy and always baby.
• 1:11:18
  Or doesn't as it might be. I'm not entirely sure a story
• 1:11:22
  with. This.
• 1:11:25
  Yeah. Cuz the both parents, aren't
• 1:11:27
  they? So I'm not sure but either way,
• 1:11:29
  like I said there's there's Not enough in it for me to dislike
• 1:11:33
  this thing, I really do. Like, I like the set and I like
• 1:11:36
  this idea of being be calmed, and it's nighttime because it's
• 1:11:40
  just, again, it's another really atmospheric story.
• 1:11:43
  You know, and all of these most of these are really sort of like
• 1:11:47
  dark and rude and stories which and I really like, but the same
• 1:11:51
  time it's not sort of like and Grim like the The gangas coming
• 1:11:59
  up by anything at it's it's a lot more fun.
• 1:12:01
  You know. It is Pirates.
• 1:12:03
  And if nothing else Amy Pond really does, look, fantastic
• 1:12:05
  rest as a pirate. So, keep em who should have
• 1:12:10
  next? I think we'll go with James.
• 1:12:13
  Keep definitely keep. Stories. if you surprised us up
• 1:12:22
  your sleeve video, Um, yeah, I I nearly went with this was my
• 1:12:28
  opener, just to get the shock out of the way, but then I
• 1:12:29
  bought back to kind of didn't want to kind of keep my load.
• 1:12:32
  Yeah, I love it, it's fun. And that is what I want from
• 1:12:38
  Doctor Who I want to watch a story that really makes me smile
• 1:12:43
  makes me kind of go. Yeah, doctor walking the plank
• 1:12:46
  that I want, you know, I don't want as you say, you know, this
• 1:12:49
  dark adult drama of you know, killing gooey, baby type things
• 1:12:57
  I thought had some fantastic Throwbacks to kind of all kinds
• 1:13:00
  of previous stories. It picks up on kind of Nick's
• 1:13:05
  things from time of the dolls and even of the Daleks The theme
• 1:13:09
  that shiny surfaces are dangerous.
• 1:13:12
  You could also tie that in, with time lash but I don't want a
• 1:13:15
  tiny. Oh, go on.
• 1:13:19
  Um, okay now just imagine every play by Paul Barrow.
• 1:13:23
  God pleased, that was him, walk the plank.
• 1:13:29
  There's a wonderful kind of mirroring of throwback to
• 1:13:36
  Unquiet dead where you've got the girl?
• 1:13:39
  Who's kind of like One nice friendly color.
• 1:13:42
  When they're being kind of nice and friendly and siren is nice
• 1:13:45
  green and everything and then suddenly she's evil red kind of
• 1:13:49
  thing, you know, um, I like the side, there's there's one
• 1:13:54
  sentence that I never thought a story could make me up.
• 1:13:59
  Yay, space pirates. I just I'm, I mean, I know the
• 1:14:07
  big thing is, could never afford, he Bondville, but this
• 1:14:10
  was a spinoff. I would have actually loved to
• 1:14:11
  have seen. I kind of a weird bunch of.
• 1:14:16
  Literal pirates in the spaceship trying to cope in outer space.
• 1:14:20
  That would have been brilliant Jameson, a big finish series.
• 1:14:27
  Oh my god. Um, the there's two other very
• 1:14:32
  good reasons. Now, I'm gonna piss phraser off
• 1:14:34
  though. With this first one, Because
• 1:14:37
  there is a reason I prefer this to Impossible Astronaut and the
• 1:14:45
  choice because they're in the same season and they are
• 1:14:47
  literally one story apart. It's something that I've got to
• 1:14:51
  comment on, I'm sorry, you know, is yeah.
• 1:14:53
  No, no absolutely. Um, The fact that in this one,
• 1:14:57
  the doctor is more than happy to leave his DNA laying around, you
• 1:15:01
  know, he voluntarily gives a sample of his tissue so that he
• 1:15:05
  can be transported to the hospital.
• 1:15:07
  Ward type thing. So, we've gone from kind of
• 1:15:10
  like, oh, not a single cell must ever be left anywhere to stabby
• 1:15:14
  stabby. Boom, you know. but, There is
• 1:15:19
  one other reason. I mean, say it could have been
• 1:15:20
  the worst story in the world. I love whoever it was in the
• 1:15:23
  overview. I'm sorry I've forgotten it was,
• 1:15:26
  he said, yeah, it's not the solid gold turd that people.
• 1:15:28
  Yeah, well, a solid gold, 30 still solid gold.
• 1:15:31
  Yeah. Um, and I'm gonna actually kind
• 1:15:36
  of agree with Joe on something for this one.
• 1:15:38
  What? Yeah, go on there is a very good
• 1:15:42
  reason for keeping this Dear God, the Eye Candy of Rory.
• 1:15:47
  Topless or you're speaking my language.
• 1:15:52
  James. Yeah, so you know as I just I
• 1:15:56
  love remember watching it. And thinking, yeah, actually
• 1:15:59
  this is what I wanted from Serious Six I wanted.
• 1:16:02
  Action. I wanted adventure and I just
• 1:16:04
  wanted damn silly fun and yeah, I will keep this one.
• 1:16:08
  I will sing its Praises. I love the story.
• 1:16:12
  Excellent. So Joel Does Rory.
• 1:16:15
  Topless Buckley, or swash? Do you come over to me?
• 1:16:20
  After YouTube being so Paul says yes, it's the format, we're just
• 1:16:24
  conclusion. Edit, if you want, it's fine,
• 1:16:27
  you know. It's a cape from me.
• 1:16:34
  This Champion is on his way. no, what Mean, now, you're a great
• 1:16:40
  episode. It's not, but for this low bar
• 1:16:42
  season, it's, it's more, it's more better than average, we'll
• 1:16:46
  say. Like, I really like the last 10
• 1:16:48
  minutes, I don't like how it goes from, a pirate story to a
• 1:16:51
  science fiction story, you know, without taking a breath, it's
• 1:16:54
  it's totally so jarring. I'm like, what, what we were
• 1:16:58
  swashbuckling now we're medically.
• 1:17:00
  Okay, just go with it. I don't think the jokes are very
• 1:17:04
  funny either. There's a lot of pirate jokes in
• 1:17:06
  there that don't really land yo-ho-ho and it does have this
• 1:17:11
  sort of dark dismal palette that this, the gang of two parts and
• 1:17:16
  a good man, goes to war and the doctor's wife.
• 1:17:18
  All have so miserable palette and none of them.
• 1:17:21
  Look, bright and cheerful. However, I'm gonna put it for
• 1:17:26
  one reason or one reason. I only it's an episode where I
• 1:17:30
  really like Amy Pohl and that is a rarity and I just think she's
• 1:17:35
  a lot of fun. She's having great fun, playing
• 1:17:37
  the pirate the bit where she's goofing around.
• 1:17:39
  On the deck of the ship, you know, nearly taking half of them
• 1:17:41
  out with a sword. That is great fun and you're
• 1:17:44
  right. James raw looks very hot and
• 1:17:46
  actually asked me if he's having a lot of fun in this story as
• 1:17:49
  well. I think yes, we have a lot of
• 1:17:51
  fun. This season.
• 1:17:51
  Can I know the way he did before I can I say one of the things
• 1:17:55
  that I know it's kind of like, you know, not sort of I've
• 1:17:59
  always got a huge amount of respect for actors and people
• 1:18:02
  who do this kind of story, we're quite frankly you've got the car
• 1:18:05
  so freaking buckets of water you then they're really giving it
• 1:18:09
  their all and they're coping with some.
• 1:18:11
  What looks like some really unpleasant it's almost like cold
• 1:18:15
  war where everyone is soaked to the skin.
• 1:18:17
  So I've got a lot of respect for the earth.
• 1:18:19
  I think it actually kind of helps them along.
• 1:18:21
  Oh, and the CGI of the siren coming out of water.
• 1:18:24
  All right? When she turns evil, it's so
• 1:18:27
  bad. It's hilarious.
• 1:18:28
  So yeah, it's it's a fun. Watch this and not lost six is a
• 1:18:33
  fun watch so yes, keep me. Well.
• 1:18:37
  Curse of the black spots through one in one out.
• 1:18:42
  So cool. Jordan.
• 1:18:45
  Hello. Yes.
• 1:18:46
  First pick. What are you gonna pick?
• 1:18:48
  And are you gonna jump in it or condemn it?
• 1:18:50
  Well I've only got a few Champion so I'm gonna condemn
• 1:18:54
  this time round which is something we've all done so far
• 1:18:58
  as all opening arguments I would like to condemn the rebel flesh
• 1:19:04
  and the almost people to passing his hello.
• 1:19:09
  Hi, I'm Jax complete lock of surprise. it's just one of the
• 1:19:14
  dullest Doctor Who stories of all time, from the Terry Nation
• 1:19:18
  School of Doctor, Who with acids and doppelgangers and all the
• 1:19:22
  old cliches of classic Who but done in the new who format with,
• 1:19:27
  you know, relationship drama and emotions, and it's a jarring mix
• 1:19:31
  and none of it works at all, mostly because the main
• 1:19:35
  antagonist, Jennifer Is so badly written and so badly performed.
• 1:19:43
  I just don't buy that character at all.
• 1:19:46
  I don't, I don't, I can't figure out whether she's supposed to be
• 1:19:48
  sympathetic or thoroughly evil. Because from scene, to scene,
• 1:19:53
  she switches. And I think there's just no
• 1:19:55
  through line with her The woman that plays her.
• 1:20:00
  I don't think she's got a handle on, what's happening with that
• 1:20:02
  character either. So she saw switches between the
• 1:20:05
  two and we're stuck with that. truly dismal CGI of heads
• 1:20:11
  growing out, and which is supposed to be like scary.
• 1:20:17
  It's so hilarious. Yes.
• 1:20:21
  So so that whole angle of, Rory, stepping away from his wife to,
• 1:20:27
  to take the side of the gangers, none of it works because that
• 1:20:32
  Central character. Absolutely, we should be on her
• 1:20:35
  side as the underdog. I know, I don't think we are.
• 1:20:39
  I also think it's one of the ugliest Doctor Who stories.
• 1:20:42
  It's covered in sort of horrible Brown filters, dark dismal,
• 1:20:47
  corridors freezing, cold horrible location work.
• 1:20:50
  There isn't a single frame of this, that's easy on the eye and
• 1:20:54
  it's 90 minutes long. And you know what?
• 1:20:57
  Like I do, like a bit of eye candy.
• 1:20:59
  I did like, going over to America, and being in the sun
• 1:21:01
  and shine, and, you know, around that weird and see him pretty
• 1:21:05
  images. but but the real reason I want to be in this Hello.
• 1:21:16
  Can I guess? You know what it is, what it is.
• 1:21:19
  Yeah, it's the scene at the end where the doctor Tells Rory to
• 1:21:26
  step away from what he thinks is his wife, that's what's
• 1:21:30
  important here. And then he murders or Turns
• 1:21:35
  into a pool of calm other than not, quite sure what is going on
• 1:21:38
  there. But he basically murders her in
• 1:21:42
  front of her husband, which is the most despicable thing you
• 1:21:46
  could possibly do without warning, you know.
• 1:21:49
  He has to stand there and watch her die won.
• 1:21:53
  The doctor should not be. She shouldn't be acting that way
• 1:21:56
  when he's just been, you know, campaigning for gang as rights
• 1:22:00
  and sending people to, to the government, to get the gangers,
• 1:22:03
  to have some rights and then in the next scene, he's murdering
• 1:22:06
  one of them. What the hell?
• 1:22:07
  What's going on here? Just because he's a bit angry
• 1:22:10
  that is Friends. Been taken, but just The very
• 1:22:13
  Act of doing it in front of Rory and putting him through that.
• 1:22:15
  It's not the last time. The doctor's going to do
• 1:22:17
  something truly horrible to Rory.
• 1:22:20
  This season, people say Smith is the nice doctor.
• 1:22:22
  I think he does really, really terrible things.
• 1:22:25
  And that's not the ugliest moment this season, but is up
• 1:22:30
  there. I don't think any of this makes
• 1:22:32
  any sense, really? I think it is no, but keep
• 1:22:35
  talking. I think it is a very boring
• 1:22:38
  story. I don't think the action is well
• 1:22:41
  done. I don't think he looks very
• 1:22:43
  nice. I don't I don't have anything
• 1:22:47
  for the villain at all. There's not just on no level.
• 1:22:49
  This works for me. Even the Dual Matt Smith's, that
• 1:22:52
  should be fun. It's not fun.
• 1:22:54
  It's just weird. Because in order to make that
• 1:22:57
  plot work suddenly our Matt Smith, our doctor has to behave
• 1:23:02
  like a fucking nasty villain. So we think that he's the Ganga
• 1:23:07
  None of it makes any sense so I'm sorry.
• 1:23:10
  Yeah. Sorry Dave Renee I realize you
• 1:23:12
  absolutely adore this too pastor but I think it's a true dog and
• 1:23:17
  it's doing the thing that Muffet always does.
• 1:23:20
  He gets is Seasons going. And then something comes along
• 1:23:25
  like the monks Trilogy, like the Gangsta Party, Like The silurian
• 1:23:29
  Tupac, and it's like a fucking dead weight.
• 1:23:32
  That just kills the momentum of the Season.
• 1:23:35
  Dave been here. Right.
• 1:23:39
  Do you want to go to the comments then and see if I'm not
• 1:23:41
  agree with you? I really don't think some might
• 1:23:44
  but go on, that's find out. Let's start with Paul SME who
• 1:23:48
  says one of the most confusing stories in all of who bury done
• 1:23:51
  and boring. So, yes, he is on your side.
• 1:23:53
  I don't think Jason Thompson is. However, the flesh, two-parter
• 1:23:56
  will work better alone, the doctor discovering, the use the
• 1:23:59
  flesh avatars and arguing for their rights, is a good solid
• 1:24:02
  concept for a story. Making it part of the Ark means
• 1:24:05
  he comes in with the knowledge of the Flesh and undermines the
• 1:24:08
  entire outcome. And then finishes the story by
• 1:24:10
  saying these flesh doubles are sentient beings with a right of
• 1:24:13
  their own lives and they feel pain.
• 1:24:15
  And when they get when they get dissolved and reabsorbed or
• 1:24:19
  discarded, oh, except this one that's copying my friend that
• 1:24:22
  I'm going to zap without a qualm.
• 1:24:24
  That's why I just said, wasn't it?
• 1:24:25
  We're far less words all. So mining acid is a nonsense
• 1:24:29
  called concept. What it is used for how is
• 1:24:31
  stored, how is it naturally occurring and someone gets
• 1:24:34
  electrocuted and not even a bloody nurse thinks to try and
• 1:24:37
  resuscitation because of the plot.
• 1:24:39
  Requires him to be dead bit. Crash dummy, Rebel.
• 1:24:44
  People is quite bad. Why they pumping acid from a
• 1:24:48
  castle. The terrible performance of
• 1:24:50
  Jennifer and the dodgy messaging, obscures the good
• 1:24:53
  performances, the regulars, give but it is ripe for them in.
• 1:24:56
  Oh, there is a tone against these crash dummy.
• 1:24:59
  Know you just done that Jack. Oh yeah, pretty dull both
• 1:25:02
  visually and in the script. It's a shame because I like
• 1:25:04
  doppelganger stories but I don't understand why the gang was just
• 1:25:08
  sensing from the start. It seems strange that this Amy
• 1:25:10
  is also a Ganga more for shadowing.
• 1:25:14
  See if Daniel wants to see us to make nice about this one based
• 1:25:18
  on The Siege Prejudice and workers rights under the mate
• 1:25:21
  School Laurie. Shines manipulative, doctor
• 1:25:24
  Bought. The setting kills it for me.
• 1:25:27
  Yes, that drop Drury. Gloomy.
• 1:25:30
  Bloody Castle makes it already thematically ugly story even
• 1:25:33
  ugly to look at not for me. Sorry.
• 1:25:37
  Also that unfortunate Cliffhanger where the doc
• 1:25:39
  murders ganga. Amy with a Sonic really needed
• 1:25:41
  another pass at the script. Why not have Amy dissolve on a
• 1:25:45
  wound because the tallest reacts differently or something?
• 1:25:47
  The shock still there. It was Smith's dog, anger.
• 1:25:51
  Sorted maybe Daniel should have been scripted for the season
• 1:25:54
  James Lark Rebel flesh. Almost people are for my money.
• 1:25:58
  Oh James. The best episodes of the first
• 1:26:01
  batch a Race Against Time, say a base, Under Siege doubles, its
• 1:26:06
  traditional who. And by this point in the season,
• 1:26:09
  mostly trying to be something else.
• 1:26:10
  That's a relief. Plus I couldn't disagree more,
• 1:26:14
  it looks great. It old. but it's an orchid
• 1:26:20
  double potentially realized, it's actually just a MacGuffin
• 1:26:22
  for one of the series arcs deus ex machina, convoluted twists
• 1:26:27
  David Leslie, Pratt. The flesh 2 part has a very
• 1:26:29
  worthy issues at his heart and there's some interesting moral
• 1:26:32
  issues as well, but it's so achingly dull.
• 1:26:35
  It might have been a better as a single episode as a two-parter.
• 1:26:39
  It feels dragged out to the extreme.
• 1:26:41
  Daniel 8 says, unrelentingly grim and rather uninvolved
• 1:26:45
  despite a stellar cast. I can't really remember much
• 1:26:48
  apart from the CJ monster. That's not great.
• 1:26:50
  And that horrible ending, which is even more horrible.
• 1:26:53
  After the doctor made such a fuss about gangas writes.
• 1:26:56
  Thank you. John.
• 1:26:57
  Been solely says, it's weird. I quite like the clammy
• 1:27:00
  claustrophobia of the setting, but the clumsy plotting and have
• 1:27:03
  fisted bun Bender dialogue. Put paid to any potential.
• 1:27:06
  Wow. What a tongue twister job, the
• 1:27:09
  effects make the scourer, sound look cutting-edge, plus I hate
• 1:27:13
  hate that. Amy was a gang all along ending.
• 1:27:17
  And once again, I am left with big orange, Michael, is it gonna
• 1:27:22
  like this one? Oh, when I first saw it, I
• 1:27:25
  wondered why they were spending so much time on this.
• 1:27:27
  It comes in a context as the season progresses but I still
• 1:27:30
  don't love it as much as the others from the era or series
• 1:27:33
  now he didn't see here. Did it even big orange Mark was
• 1:27:37
  unsure. He didn't see that.
• 1:27:38
  He just said he didn't like it as much as the rest.
• 1:27:40
  So Joe's bind it. Michael.
• 1:27:44
  What are you doing with it? I'm Chucky in the business
• 1:27:46
  World, you've been in it as well.
• 1:27:48
  By yourself. Well, first of all, its way too
• 1:27:53
  long. There's nothing of plot.
• 1:27:54
  There's not enough plot to fill to fill up the two episodes, as
• 1:27:58
  too much me. And sonogram talking.
• 1:28:00
  They talk about this Genghis rights but it's mostly just
• 1:28:03
  people going, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes.
• 1:28:07
  That's a bit more succinctly than that, and not sure my goal.
• 1:28:11
  Oh, you put it quite well actually. there's some good,
• 1:28:16
  there's some good ideas is Jennifer is. she reminds me of,
• 1:28:22
  I'm just dating wife in the grave There to play it.
• 1:28:29
  But I think the idea is because there's two, you're not sure if
• 1:28:32
  you sympathetic or a villain because she ganged herself
• 1:28:36
  twice, is it, is he trying to Riff on the idea?
• 1:28:38
  It's two sides of this to one's, got one side of this other
• 1:28:43
  person. I want to get the other, but if
• 1:28:44
  that's it, that needs to be made more clear.
• 1:28:46
  It's one, is she just manipulating doing this to
• 1:28:50
  manipulate Roi for the sake of boys?
• 1:28:52
  She just placing Rory. Why are the Angus?
• 1:28:58
  Chopping and changing their minds all the time or they go
• 1:29:01
  they'll just they'll just kill us.
• 1:29:02
  I mean I think the overlord is that this stage the flesh is
• 1:29:06
  supposed to be sentient, but as it goes on they've figured out a
• 1:29:09
  way to do it so it's not sins. So it's just imitating that so
• 1:29:12
  which is why it looks as no problem.
• 1:29:14
  So so zapping good baby but it's not clear.
• 1:29:19
  That yeah, the Dreadful CGI with extending with.
• 1:29:22
  Just what can we have? The It's probably like, it's
• 1:29:27
  probably someone doing magic mushrooms in the cottage
• 1:29:30
  somewhere. No, there are imaginations, was
• 1:29:34
  stretch Forever on that. Yeah.
• 1:29:36
  And I guess this is it also has an idea which got which him went
• 1:29:42
  to a rather interesting discussion at the bar at work.
• 1:29:45
  Good. It's going to is that?
• 1:29:47
  Well the people is the is the Cliffhanger being Amy struck
• 1:29:52
  down, struck down, chained down just about to give birth.
• 1:29:55
  And it's not really a really, a good ending for episode.
• 1:29:59
  But part of me thinks also that Setup should have been in the
• 1:30:02
  end of season Cliffhanger and if they're going to put it that
• 1:30:05
  way, and we should come back with a gap between the seasons
• 1:30:09
  with second half starting off. If, after a hunt for hunt, for
• 1:30:14
  Amy with, with Elsa, because if we had one episode, this was one
• 1:30:19
  episode. They could have a just an
• 1:30:21
  episode of the doctor and roaring.
• 1:30:24
  No, maybe just that is what the crying out is for his just for
• 1:30:27
  the two of them to have the adventure together because
• 1:30:29
  there's lots of the dynamic between Smith and Orthodox is
• 1:30:33
  brilliant. What's up again in the girl who
• 1:30:36
  waited? And it needs to be explored and
• 1:30:39
  needs to be explored. The ganga I still did the
• 1:30:43
  gangers when they're being gang should Should should be in more
• 1:30:47
  plasticky and only once the summer fairy looks, which makes
• 1:30:52
  them turn into real set. People for some reason that
• 1:30:56
  series time. Let's just start looking at real
• 1:30:58
  people. We've got the, the grip from
• 1:31:01
  what the Mars equally drippy character.
• 1:31:03
  I don't care if he's just been electrocuted.
• 1:31:05
  He's just yeah. And yes.
• 1:31:09
  I should say. It looks trapped.
• 1:31:11
  It's clear. You could clearly tell.
• 1:31:12
  It's been filmed in December. Everybody.
• 1:31:14
  Looks as cold as fuck. How do you harvest acid it?
• 1:31:19
  With Pace, obviously, what for is it just sitting there and it
• 1:31:24
  can melt 19 things, so it can melt through the stone in the
• 1:31:28
  castle, but not the Ceramics on the pipe.
• 1:31:31
  Yeah, result. The console shoes.
• 1:31:33
  But so I said easily. Take your shoes off.
• 1:31:37
  Well, they're covered in acid, I'm not gonna hurt at all.
• 1:31:40
  It wouldn't watch Rick and bad first.
• 1:31:44
  Series. I think it's the second or third
• 1:31:45
  episode explains why you have to put acid in certain things.
• 1:31:49
  And one different bow ties be a better switching.
• 1:31:53
  Bow ties. Be a better thing for to show
• 1:31:55
  the ganga and, and real doctor and all the clothes part of the
• 1:32:01
  Gangrel marks, if he's taking off so that separate so he's
• 1:32:05
  wearing gang of Flesh or do they are just creation automatically
• 1:32:11
  come with Spray on clothes or something. because it's like
• 1:32:17
  that three-dimensional photographer of invisible enemy
• 1:32:20
  trying to explain the fact that oh That they just emerge from
• 1:32:23
  the cloning unit fully clothed. It feels slapped Dash, it feel.
• 1:32:27
  It feels like several draft to be put together, but they
• 1:32:31
  forgot. Which one, which draft each page
• 1:32:33
  came from the other stick them together and hope for the best.
• 1:32:36
  And it's Drab Drury. There's not a single likeable
• 1:32:40
  character in it. Oh, and That the little kid is
• 1:32:46
  just not boy because he just know I'm going to walk onto the
• 1:32:53
  asset because, oh God, I'm gonna have to go back to where I know
• 1:32:56
  it's unfair to pick on a child that you know.
• 1:33:01
  But oh God. He's just Dreadful.
• 1:33:03
  He said your dad's coming back. He's got.
• 1:33:06
  The sounds is so got. Oh, he sounds about excited that
• 1:33:09
  she's excited. She just found out.
• 1:33:12
  He get another tissue. It's he gets a little bit better
• 1:33:16
  on the location seeing He's just a little just here's not a good
• 1:33:21
  actor. It's going in the bed.
• 1:33:27
  It's in the bin from Michael. So, my seat and I had a
• 1:33:34
  conversation with someone a little while back who kind of
• 1:33:39
  Said something you said was as well.
• 1:33:40
  Joe. It's kind of like, you know, all
• 1:33:41
  these these Strictly Come hamsters, you're putting these
• 1:33:44
  comments in its You've Lost That champion of the Damned Sparkle.
• 1:33:48
  You you go in a bit negative on things phrase, what's, what's
• 1:33:51
  going on? So you'd never entirely gone
• 1:33:54
  forever. There's always a little spark in
• 1:33:56
  their buckle up. strap yourselves in bitches because
• 1:34:00
  this one is going through and here is why this is, A very
• 1:34:05
  impressive story that has something to say.
• 1:34:09
  The right of this one is Matthew Graham.
• 1:34:12
  Who Dr. Who fans will know from Fear her.
• 1:34:17
  And non doctor who funds will know, is the Creator and chief
• 1:34:21
  Raider of Life on Mars. Which, you know, is a very sort
• 1:34:26
  of high, concept, sci-fi and short.
• 1:34:29
  And I think that shows in this Episode as well because there's
• 1:34:34
  a lot going on. It's very complex story and Is
• 1:34:38
  it dull? It depends what you want.
• 1:34:39
  If you want, swashbuckling people running around fighting.
• 1:34:44
  Sid monsters or whatever. Then yeah, it's a little bit
• 1:34:46
  dull, but if you want some high drama going back to what I said
• 1:34:51
  at the start. Then this is the episode for
• 1:34:53
  you. This is got so much to see about
• 1:34:55
  so many things and it was written obviously in 2 0 1 1.
• 1:35:02
  Watching it. Now, Through The Eyes of 2024,
• 1:35:05
  when all you hear in the news is about people on boats.
• 1:35:10
  Small boats immigrants coming over this country. tying that
• 1:35:15
  in, with gangas, where we're talking about the rights of gang
• 1:35:20
  as and People taking jobs, you know, there's a parallel.
• 1:35:24
  There it really Changes. And I think it was sort of
• 1:35:28
  Muslims back in 2011, wasn't it? That was the far right?
• 1:35:32
  Boogie man, and now it's it's, it's immigrants, but this story,
• 1:35:36
  we still lands the same. I mean, let's face it.
• 1:35:39
  Nigel farage. Looks like he's made of Flesh.
• 1:35:41
  Anyway, he looks like a Ganga, so it's not too far a stretch to
• 1:35:45
  a mansion. The same things being said about
• 1:35:48
  gang as we hear from the reform partly in such like at the
• 1:35:52
  minute either. Then, think about EI.
• 1:35:56
  In. Things that, you know, what
• 1:35:58
  happens when you turn Siri off, you know, you can see this, it's
• 1:36:03
  still gonna probably be relevant in a few years time when he, I
• 1:36:06
  starts to develop. So I think it is a really,
• 1:36:09
  really strong. Fascinating story is much as
• 1:36:12
  what it's trying to tell. I think they're not sympathetic
• 1:36:16
  immigrants. They're not sympathetic Muslims.
• 1:36:19
  They're not likable in any way. These characters and it's not a
• 1:36:23
  black and white story. It's not the case of within a
• 1:36:27
  story. I do think you need to make the
• 1:36:29
  underdog sympathetic to some extent.
• 1:36:34
  Some of the model, some of them are making some of them outright
• 1:36:38
  villains. Yes.
• 1:36:39
  An interesting message to say, if we're doing this, it's and
• 1:36:43
  we're doing immigrants, it's not a black and white, you know,
• 1:36:45
  we're talking about this as a bass and you know, if this was a
• 1:36:48
  season five Storey, you know every single one of those gangas
• 1:36:52
  would be like an ice Warrior, you know, or do it because you
• 1:36:56
  are going and we kill everyone. And There's a complexity of it.
• 1:37:01
  There is there is no black and white here on either side.
• 1:37:05
  There's no black and white in the gang.
• 1:37:06
  As you've got Jennifer, who is the chief villain?
• 1:37:09
  And he was, you know, pretty sight Apothic and you know, has
• 1:37:16
  streamed for one of a better word say to the gang as but then
• 1:37:19
  you've got and is it? It's showing up the one with the
• 1:37:24
  kid, who was like The Other Extreme who's like, you know Jim
• 1:37:29
  I think this is the one from my life and Mars I think.
• 1:37:31
  Yeah. And you know so you've you've
• 1:37:34
  got the two sides, you know, it's not just you know, every
• 1:37:37
  ganga is evil and every human is good.
• 1:37:39
  Is there a point where the whole Army of gangers go, right?
• 1:37:42
  We're going to take them all down.
• 1:37:43
  We're gonna and they're literally an army going against
• 1:37:46
  them. and then, it changes just an ugly message for Its it.
• 1:37:51
  We're doing your resume terrible message, but it's a real life
• 1:37:55
  message. It's it's a complex message.
• 1:37:56
  It's not by The Daily Mail, it's not straightforward, Jewel, it
• 1:38:00
  is complex. It's not black and white, the
• 1:38:02
  sheets of green every coat and that includes the good ones, as
• 1:38:05
  well. Look at Amy, look at Amy Pond
• 1:38:07
  who we have to? Yes, we do.
• 1:38:10
  Look at her now. Look, right.
• 1:38:17
  The really clever thing is how much it leans into Amy's
• 1:38:21
  prejudices and so we see this ugly side of Amy where you know
• 1:38:25
  I mean it is Amy. Oh, I mean it's killed at the
• 1:38:31
  end of this. It's Amy's personality, isn't
• 1:38:35
  it? So, it's just as much Amy as it
• 1:38:36
  is, anyone else. So you have this really ugly
• 1:38:40
  side about where and, you know, she is so prejudiced against the
• 1:38:44
  gang as in the that really clever, which we can probably
• 1:38:48
  all see, am I off? But it's still, it's the Colombo
• 1:38:51
  thing. You're waiting for it to happen
• 1:38:52
  and it leans into it. And you see this switch where
• 1:38:56
  she has presumed, that the ganga doctor is the real one and a
• 1:38:59
  Prejudice is all just laid bold and you know, it's kind of like
• 1:39:03
  Amy Pawn vote you Kip. Whatever.
• 1:39:05
  And then you have royalty on the other side who is, you know,
• 1:39:11
  much more involved with the gangas and he's been much Kinder
• 1:39:13
  more empathetic and that leads to trouble as well.
• 1:39:16
  It's just so, Complex. I was going to keep saying that
• 1:39:20
  word complex then why is it? Because you want acid monsters,
• 1:39:26
  you want monster, you want your gang as good as well drawn
• 1:39:32
  characters. And I just don't think these,
• 1:39:34
  that's what not what drama is the That's not what drama always
• 1:39:39
  is drama. Good high-quality drama pushes.
• 1:39:42
  You the viewer to places you're not comfortable with.
• 1:39:46
  Oh, which is meter to boredom. That's the only place.
• 1:39:50
  I'm uncomfortable with it. You love rolling on this one.
• 1:39:53
  You love it. No, I hate this story.
• 1:39:56
  That's why I think it's dull. It's if it was dull, if it was
• 1:40:01
  dollars you seeing, you wouldn't hear it as much.
• 1:40:04
  Well, now, I think I only crime Doctor Who can't survive as
• 1:40:07
  being dull. This is underworld dull.
• 1:40:09
  This is this is not done on the world's not done as well but
• 1:40:11
  that's a story for a different podcast and I can't see the
• 1:40:16
  things that you're talking about.
• 1:40:18
  The ending then. Let's get to the ending.
• 1:40:20
  Oh, do we have to do? Because that is another reason
• 1:40:23
  why I'm putting it through that ending is drama.
• 1:40:26
  It's pure drama. It is exactly what something
• 1:40:30
  like Game of Thrones would do, it's that really the Game of
• 1:40:35
  Thrones, it's drama. Now it's a doctor who is family
• 1:40:38
  entertainment. That's what doctor who is
• 1:40:41
  Doctor, Who is everything? No Doctor, Who is compatible
• 1:40:46
  saying there is. We should forget the young kids
• 1:40:48
  and we shouldn't forget the young kids.
• 1:40:50
  The young kids have been forgotten plenty times in the
• 1:40:52
  past, Hinchcliffe. Forgot the young kids.
• 1:40:56
  Plenty times. Oh, that's Star Wars.
• 1:40:59
  Well, well, there you go, then. But it's good.
• 1:41:04
  That's the thing. You may not like it but you can
• 1:41:06
  look at it and you go well, actually this is good and this
• 1:41:09
  is good. So that ending I think, for my
• 1:41:12
  words worth is, It is the doctor turning off.
• 1:41:16
  Amy's gang, he's not killing Amy, he is turning off her
• 1:41:20
  ganga. Now, it is established in the
• 1:41:22
  course of the show that gangers have feelings going to have
• 1:41:24
  rights and the rest of it. But That is addressed in the
• 1:41:29
  script. And it shows a side of the
• 1:41:32
  doctor. Like, you see a jewel, the 11th
• 1:41:34
  doctor is not always a pleasant man.
• 1:41:37
  The 11th doctor. I always look at as the Seventh
• 1:41:39
  Doctor through the butt through the lens of the second.
• 1:41:43
  He is. He comes across as the Clone he
• 1:41:46
  comes across all. Black youths, and bought ties
• 1:41:49
  and accent Rick, and Oddball book.
• 1:41:51
  Underneath there was a real real.
• 1:41:54
  Dark character in there and we see it at the end of this
• 1:41:57
  episode. He knows exactly what's
• 1:41:59
  happening. And it's, and it's one of the
• 1:42:01
  comments says, you know, so you're quite happy to turn off a
• 1:42:04
  Ganga. When did you meet?
• 1:42:05
  Well, yes. Because exactly because it's
• 1:42:08
  he's made, he is going, he will do that extra thing because it
• 1:42:12
  is the person or one of the people that you loved the most
• 1:42:15
  in the world, he will go to that extreme, but it's less than that
• 1:42:20
  person. It's that it's more, that he
• 1:42:21
  doesn't at any point. Let raw in on the fact that and
• 1:42:26
  make him go, he'll be like me. Turning your wife into a pool of
• 1:42:30
  goo and not giving you the notes and then just going oh well you
• 1:42:34
  know like I just feel like doing it.
• 1:42:36
  It's you know, what I would be, it's so unpleasant, you know if
• 1:42:40
  you did that's unpleasant you know what?
• 1:42:42
  That would be if he did that drama.
• 1:42:43
  Good drama. Yes.
• 1:42:45
  Now not good drama on. So because it's good drama
• 1:42:49
  because it's a story with a lot of.
• 1:42:51
  See it because the performance is by all of the cast we've incl
• 1:42:54
  And sort of Raquel Cassidy is Cleaves.
• 1:42:56
  Everyone turns in a Shifty apart from as we've discussed the kid
• 1:43:02
  at the end on the phone. That's the weakest link in this.
• 1:43:05
  The walls is one of us the weakest link because of the
• 1:43:09
  characters the characterization, the the complexity of the story
• 1:43:13
  because of the drama because it really pushes you and it really
• 1:43:17
  and you know, exposes some unpleasantness within our
• 1:43:22
  Central characters. This one for me is going through
• 1:43:27
  What's new? You are very easily satisfied,
• 1:43:29
  right? Gregory, I can't wait to hear
• 1:43:31
  what James thinks. Well, let's go there.
• 1:43:33
  Yeah, this was the one that I really agonized over.
• 1:43:39
  Because it harks back to something was saying at the
• 1:43:42
  start. Yeah.
• 1:43:43
  Because this is a two-parter. Which is actually more a one and
• 1:43:49
  a half partner. With a half part of Arc, bit
• 1:43:53
  tagged on the end. and this is, I think where a lot of the
• 1:43:59
  problems come from, I can see that.
• 1:44:03
  If this was in a more traditional series, you know,
• 1:44:07
  like series 1 or you know, whatever.
• 1:44:10
  Then it would have been a one partner.
• 1:44:14
  And it would have been. for a lot of the reasons that Fraser
• 1:44:18
  said really good, I think there is a lot of interesting stuff to
• 1:44:25
  come out of this about as you say about AI the rights of kind
• 1:44:28
  of, you know, Things that we are now emerging Technologies and
• 1:44:34
  stuff like that, you know? The problem comes and bizarrely.
• 1:44:39
  It's got the, it's got the same issue as the silurian two
• 1:44:42
  parties in serious five. In the that it's got to fulfill
• 1:44:46
  the plot Arc part of it. As well as the story bit of it.
• 1:44:52
  and I'm really undecided because say, I don't know, really, if my
• 1:44:58
  feelings come from the one and a half episodes, which are the
• 1:45:02
  story or the half episode, which is the, and this is the bit Kind
• 1:45:07
  of time with what a lot of people say.
• 1:45:09
  Yeah. This is where we've got the
• 1:45:11
  theaters, the catastrophe of Serious Six.
• 1:45:15
  Because yeah. Everything up till that last
• 1:45:19
  Tardis scene is really good. And then you got the Tardis
• 1:45:25
  scene where you got to dissolve aiming, you've got to kind of
• 1:45:27
  yeah. And I feel as though a lot of
• 1:45:31
  the problems. Of the whole series are actually
• 1:45:36
  emphasized in that last scene. and I said, oh, when I was
• 1:45:40
  talking about the impossible, astronauts, I was gonna come
• 1:45:42
  back to in that because one of the things that's never really
• 1:45:46
  addressed and it ties in with what others have said it as
• 1:45:49
  well. It's nice.
• 1:45:50
  When is the substitution made? Because there's that before
• 1:45:56
  America. Now it is a line further down in
• 1:46:00
  one of the episode. I can't remember exactly which
• 1:46:01
  one, but it is a lane. Now there is a problem with that
• 1:46:05
  being the case. I think he's since America, I
• 1:46:07
  guessing it in the orphanage. Since or before.
• 1:46:11
  Now my memory is cheating. Now this is say, this is a very
• 1:46:15
  important problem because again, this is kind of like Are we
• 1:46:20
  voting on the bits? That are really because he said,
• 1:46:23
  you know, the clothes dissolve. So, First slight problem.
• 1:46:30
  Has Rory not noticed that Amy isn't taking her clothes off?
• 1:46:35
  Um, trust me, we know they're at it.
• 1:46:38
  And that's all. That's all right, we know that.
• 1:46:41
  So because one thing I think is actually really good about the
• 1:46:46
  Run of episodes up to this. Is for 95% of it.
• 1:46:50
  Amy is in the same costume. You know, right the way through
• 1:46:55
  she is in that checkered shirt, type combo and everything.
• 1:46:59
  And that to me says, oh yeah, the substitution must have taken
• 1:47:04
  place before America because that's the only app that we see
• 1:47:06
  in and everything. But except in the first
• 1:47:09
  two-parter, there is the X-Files bit in the Middle where she
• 1:47:13
  changes into the Dana Scully suit.
• 1:47:16
  And I'm just thinking, oh, so when exactly does this ganga go
• 1:47:20
  back to you know, and again, it's like all the clothes part
• 1:47:25
  of the Ganga well, if they were then, why did they keep Amy in
• 1:47:31
  the same outfit for the whole thing which I'm assuming was
• 1:47:34
  supposed to be a clue, you know, Rather than the budgetary
• 1:47:38
  savings thing because everyone else gets to change their
• 1:47:40
  outfits and everything else. Smith changes, his shoes.
• 1:47:42
  Rory gets naked. Oh sorry to keep going back to
• 1:47:46
  that. Um these are so James you start
• 1:47:48
  pulling on these threads. Yeah, I just unravel.
• 1:47:53
  And this is the problem. so, for me, I'm really tall because, say
• 1:47:59
  the other thing, Michael, I agree.
• 1:48:02
  This was the best possible end of part one.
• 1:48:05
  Serious part. One Cliffhanger, push to be
• 1:48:08
  continued. that would have been the mother of all six months or
• 1:48:13
  whatever it was to, like, what it would have been like the
• 1:48:17
  moment when like they did the fake regeneration with tenant
• 1:48:20
  and it's like what, you know, but then they bugger It Up by
• 1:48:24
  putting a good name, goes to on the end of it.
• 1:48:26
  What I will see about that is you know, we as fans knew, we
• 1:48:33
  were getting seven episodes and then a break and then the rest,
• 1:48:37
  so we Kind of knew what was gonna happen at the end of good.
• 1:48:43
  Mangoes award. There was gonna be some sort of
• 1:48:45
  cliffhanger. It's You know, you don't have to
• 1:48:48
  be Columbus that one out. So I think having another
• 1:48:52
  Cliffhanger come just before that I think was a really smart
• 1:48:55
  move as well. I promise it's the better
• 1:48:57
  Cliffhanger though. The the Cliffhanger of that
• 1:49:00
  quality it is because that is a cracking end.
• 1:49:03
  I mean we're talking about I've talked about the drama of it.
• 1:49:06
  Yeah more than anything else. It is a fantastic.
• 1:49:09
  What the fuck moment he's yeah that's one of the moments from
• 1:49:16
  season six. I'm just remember watching it
• 1:49:20
  kind of you know lies so For Rebel for this one being.
• 1:49:26
  Oh my God. It's not Amy.
• 1:49:27
  Mmm, that's the Cliffhanger and then they sort of boom.
• 1:49:31
  Oh my God, she's giving birth. When they Trump, when they track
• 1:49:34
  catch up with what? So, trace it back.
• 1:49:37
  My next comment. Is about the, the dissolving of
• 1:49:41
  Amy and this is a flaw of the arc rather than the story.
• 1:49:46
  because my other question about the whole kind of deserving,
• 1:49:51
  it's like It would have been very interesting to know. what
• 1:49:57
  would have happened kind of like with the ganga when Amy actually
• 1:50:01
  gave birth if they are somehow psychically linked, you know,
• 1:50:06
  because she's having the contractions and everything the
• 1:50:09
  gang on its um what happens when I did wonder if they felt that
• 1:50:14
  they needed to dissolve Amy to get around this whole issue of
• 1:50:20
  Oh, if the guy if the person that they've copied his
• 1:50:23
  pregnant, then does that mean that the gang is pregnant?
• 1:50:27
  And again oh let's not go there, but no but again it's it's part
• 1:50:31
  the problem of the arc. Um the problem with The Arc
• 1:50:35
  James is, we shouldn't be doing fucking in this hardest and
• 1:50:38
  yeah, companion shouldn't be having babies and they shouldn't
• 1:50:41
  be taking away and murdered and nobody doing any of this.
• 1:50:44
  Are you Mary wait house. Let the man carry on.
• 1:50:47
  Yeah. I ended up making my choice.
• 1:50:53
  In the worst possible way. Did you toss a coin?
• 1:50:58
  No, but Unfortunately topless. No no.
• 1:51:03
  Oh I'm gonna put this through Because it gave us the world's
• 1:51:09
  most inappropriate Doctor Who merchandise.
• 1:51:20
  I mean, what the hell there's I could I just could not separate
• 1:51:25
  out the gang of stuff from the plot Arc stuff.
• 1:51:28
  I would have let the ganga one part of through killed off the
• 1:51:32
  plot stuff. But it's like.
• 1:51:33
  So because it gave me just that moment of sheer Delight of
• 1:51:37
  seeing those pictures. There is one up on the Shelf
• 1:51:42
  somewhere. I can't did the baby as well.
• 1:51:45
  So the baby reaching out. No, no, no because yeah, it was
• 1:51:52
  a big, um, but yeah. So it's snuck in.
• 1:51:56
  I mean, it's like, I wanted to get rid of it because of all the
• 1:51:58
  plot Arc stuff. I wanted it as a one partner.
• 1:52:00
  But yeah, because it gave us that I had to let it through.
• 1:52:05
  I've got to keep it. I'm sorry.
• 1:52:06
  I'm sorry. Gentlemen, this is why I love
• 1:52:10
  this podcast. Although I would say, there is a
• 1:52:13
  massive difference between Flawed characters and badly,
• 1:52:18
  written characters. And we if I'm saving badly
• 1:52:21
  listening later on. Well Fair.
• 1:52:24
  Michael, you have one last point to go for.
• 1:52:25
  So I just think of the titles of the theater.
• 1:52:28
  The wrong way. Around the rebel flesh.
• 1:52:32
  That's right. You even reference almost people
• 1:52:36
  in episode. Well you got the wrong way
• 1:52:38
  around. Yeah.
• 1:52:39
  Can I watch what about anyone of the people in those comments on
• 1:52:43
  this call and this would have been binned.
• 1:52:45
  I'm stuck here where you too? Oh no I'm pleased.
• 1:52:48
  I do like it when a dog goes through.
• 1:52:53
  Right. Talk about dogs going places.
• 1:52:57
  Let's talk in sequence of both a good man goes to war.
• 1:53:02
  Which is going to be my choice. and, I don't like this one.
• 1:53:09
  I'll see that straight away. I don't make this one.
• 1:53:11
  I don't know why, though. If I'm being honest, because I
• 1:53:15
  knew I didn't like it. So I watched it again in.
• 1:53:19
  That was so much. I enjoyed.
• 1:53:20
  When I was watching it, I really enjoyed.
• 1:53:25
  Matt Smith in this. I think that's, you know, Matt
• 1:53:29
  Smith throughout the series whatever.
• 1:53:31
  He's in, he is giving a really good performance, you know.
• 1:53:34
  He's done double workers. The Him, and he's ganga the
• 1:53:39
  previous story. He's had some really nice bits
• 1:53:42
  and the Upland two-party, when he's kind of like confront and
• 1:53:45
  Amy and Rory when the Kane River when the Hayden something from
• 1:53:49
  him. And so I like him in this.
• 1:53:52
  I liked the whole, was the colonel runaway thing and that
• 1:53:58
  was really quite Intense and enjoyable scene, I think.
• 1:54:04
  That's interesting because he does an angry doctor very well.
• 1:54:09
  and, Stop laughing and see he's fine he's and he's a very sort
• 1:54:17
  of outwardly doctor. He's very you know he's hitting
• 1:54:20
  dolls with people and beasts below. and see we six heated is
• 1:54:25
  a very contained anger and we've got a really good example of
• 1:54:28
  coming up in a story in a second half but Here when he's got a
• 1:54:32
  colonel man and he's like, oh, I'm angry now.
• 1:54:34
  This is new, it's not really but carry on. and I really enjoyed
• 1:54:39
  that and I enjoyed. My mate Cuban will come back and
• 1:54:45
  that was a nice surprise when that boom.
• 1:54:48
  And So I did kind of struggle a little bit on the rewatch to
• 1:54:52
  think why I didn't like this. But ultimately, it's it's that
• 1:54:57
  whole, sort of luck of cool adhesion that we've talked about
• 1:54:59
  your kind of started off with an arc, you've ignored it for
• 1:55:05
  three. Two and a half to a bit episode.
• 1:55:08
  You kind of picked it up at the end of the last one and now you
• 1:55:10
  do in Lords of Ark stuff and The off stuff itself just isn't
• 1:55:15
  that? Good. to be honest, you know, so
• 1:55:20
  Amy's giving birth at this point and that baby turns out to be
• 1:55:23
  with us on in I don't particularly care about that.
• 1:55:28
  That's not really. interesting for me, having him with our be
• 1:55:35
  in his daughter, just you know, even taking this is an
• 1:55:40
  isolation, you know, knowing that absolutely sold all up
• 1:55:43
  happens with us in the next He was in a half or whatever. it
• 1:55:47
  just didn't land that well and the characterization of the
• 1:55:52
  doctor is a little bit of a sticky Point as well and I think
• 1:55:57
  This I it's an interesting idea of, you know what happens if you
• 1:56:01
  actually point the doctor at something.
• 1:56:03
  If you see the doctor is not actually a wandering.
• 1:56:08
  Time Lord, going through time space, just randomly fixing
• 1:56:10
  things. You know, what kind of moved
• 1:56:12
  away from that caramel time to sort of like, well actually he's
• 1:56:14
  gonna go and fix things that, you know, is about.
• 1:56:16
  But in this one, it's very much. Like let's give the doctor an
• 1:56:19
  actual Purpose of pain of weaponized them and say, we're
• 1:56:23
  going to point them up. Madame giveaway, and we're going
• 1:56:25
  to see what happens when the doctor it's interesting.
• 1:56:27
  Bought is it my doctor is it my tape or doctor don't think it
• 1:56:32
  is. And the main grievance to have
• 1:56:36
  with this. There was just the right and
• 1:56:37
  it's, it's just Steven Moffat thinking he's a lot clever than
• 1:56:42
  he is. And I know he's better right
• 1:56:43
  than this. We've got a character called the
• 1:56:47
  fat one. And we've got a car called The
• 1:56:49
  Thin one. And the literally credited as
• 1:56:53
  that in. The.
• 1:56:56
  In the credits. And oh yes, where the art thin.
• 1:56:59
  Gay married Anglican Marines, we don't need a name.
• 1:57:02
  Say, Yeah, you do. You can't just be called that
• 1:57:09
  that's good. And also, if you're Anglican,
• 1:57:12
  you don't have a paper Mainframe but that's for the pens out
• 1:57:16
  there and the thing that we the joke about Stevie Wonder I
• 1:57:21
  really hate the joke about Stevie Wonder it's just ableism
• 1:57:24
  in you know ableism is sort of like the last kind of Frontier
• 1:57:29
  of of Doctor Who would dress I think and I think RTD is
• 1:57:32
  probably started to address that a little bit.
• 1:57:35
  Now with machine that and Sort of the specials and going
• 1:57:42
  forward, and The Following Season.
• 1:57:44
  She released But at this point, you know, shouldn't be making
• 1:57:48
  jokes. About blind people.
• 1:57:50
  So and you say he's preparing you for the same where the
• 1:57:54
  doctor tosses Davos have his wheelchair, he's getting ready
• 1:57:57
  for that moment. That's a different story for a
• 1:58:00
  different podcast. You've already done that one.
• 1:58:01
  I would have been just as harsh on that and that is probably the
• 1:58:04
  worst scene in the Hall of Doctor Who I think wherever gets
• 1:58:07
  throughout his chair but we're not talking about that.
• 1:58:10
  We're talking about, good man goes to will.
• 1:58:11
  So for me it is binned, right? True.
• 1:58:16
  Kick us off with the comments on this one.
• 1:58:18
  Jason Thompson says good man is a wild ride that falls apart.
• 1:58:22
  The whole Arc is based around a group of people supposedly
• 1:58:25
  raging a long war against the doctor, except he doesn't know
• 1:58:28
  who they are. We don't know who they are or
• 1:58:31
  why this war exists so nobody gets the reasons behind it all.
• 1:58:35
  It's just a series of moments that fail to make a coherent
• 1:58:38
  whole is Amy's baby to solving into goo a step too far.
• 1:58:41
  Maybe strikes is wonderful as the warrior turned nurse talks
• 1:58:46
  to a nurse turned Warrior, but Moffitt an doesn't that the
• 1:58:50
  following year. So in retrospect, it's just
• 1:58:52
  another cheap, fake out, death, Yeah, don't rub this episode
• 1:58:57
  though, my really like this mid-season finale, again, not as
• 1:59:02
  bad as his reputation, Alex, Kingston is magnificent as River
• 1:59:06
  and Amy and Rory, are consistently good throughout
• 1:59:08
  darling, it roundels. After a flow of disappointing
• 1:59:11
  episodes, a good man goes to pour was the point where I
• 1:59:14
  seriously considered not coming back for the show, it just
• 1:59:17
  wasn't anything. Like what I want it from the
• 1:59:19
  show. Crash dummy.
• 1:59:22
  A good man goes to war. No, he doesn't.
• 1:59:24
  Absolutely crap. The only would even feature is
• 1:59:26
  the introduction of the pattern ostrich gang, but Dorian Melody
• 1:59:30
  Frances Barber all for the bin, please.
• 1:59:32
  Jack Koya, is it sacrilege to say, I wish we had more lawn of
• 1:59:36
  bucket. I think this could have been a
• 1:59:38
  really good. Lorna POV story, The Amy Pond
• 1:59:41
  who never was comparing the gamma Forest stuff to the
• 1:59:43
  beginning of the 11th hour. Then how she joins the Anglican
• 1:59:46
  Marines and hinting at the river, Melody comparison.
• 1:59:50
  It looks cheap. Throw everyone in a random Bee
• 1:59:53
  Movie Warehouse multiple fat jokes random blogs.
• 1:59:56
  Who are gay for a joke. Thank goodness, Matt Smith gets
• 1:59:59
  moments to shine. The doctor is a man on a
• 2:00:02
  mission, just maybe not the one I want to say.
• 2:00:06
  Daniel wansley fan service school.
• 2:00:08
  As Amy is Avengers Assemble and Moffat goes into a full crowleys
• 2:00:12
  and big bang seasoning. Leapy look here, should mood
• 2:00:16
  Bought. Amy being said, enough already.
• 2:00:19
  I'm angry. That's new, is it?
• 2:00:22
  A lot of this feels like it's come to early pun intended.
• 2:00:26
  James Lark, the daughter will rise higher than ever before and
• 2:00:31
  then fall, so much further. Or as River should have said,
• 2:00:34
  the doctor will win a silly fight, turned out to have missed
• 2:00:38
  something and go a bit mopey for two minutes before bouncing back
• 2:00:41
  to his usual, Zippy self. And let's talk about how this
• 2:00:44
  story arc is left two of our regulars on this tea time,
• 2:00:47
  Family Show have their baby stolen but the doctor promises
• 2:00:51
  to find her spoilers. He doesn't.
• 2:00:53
  And what you didn't realize was that the baby was River Song all
• 2:00:58
  along. Well, that's all right, then?
• 2:01:03
  He's old. Oh good grief.
• 2:01:06
  The lawn sent you in just been left alone at Stonehenge.
• 2:01:09
  The Coalition of goodies is just ridiculous.
• 2:01:11
  Can you imagine this happening in an old hoop?
• 2:01:14
  The blowing up of all the saber ships.
• 2:01:16
  Where did they all come from anyway?
• 2:01:18
  It's so not the doctor and please don't stop me on the
• 2:01:21
  Headless monks. David Gillespie Pratt.
• 2:01:24
  I was so excited for this mid-season Cliffhanger, the
• 2:01:27
  doctor would rise higher than ever before his greatest fall.
• 2:01:30
  All big prophetic stuff. It did not live up to the hype
• 2:01:34
  doctors desperate. Sorry, a doctor desperate to
• 2:01:39
  save his friend should be better than this.
• 2:01:42
  Daniel Knight one of my least favorite stories with the duff
• 2:01:45
  notion of the doctor in an army and lots of silly characters are
• 2:01:48
  just there to be killed off. And the doctors Colonel runaway
• 2:01:51
  scene. Makes him look like a bully
• 2:01:53
  know. Just know John bensalah Moffitt
• 2:01:58
  who officially disappears up. Its own jaxi with this,
• 2:02:01
  pretentious Lorna bucket of Dorian droppings, the doctor,
• 2:02:05
  inexplicably becomes a film Mitchell Tech collector,
• 2:02:08
  kavarian, ashamed, while the ending resolution could have
• 2:02:13
  been worked out by a Toler. and I swear, I'm not doing this a
• 2:02:18
  little bit but once again, Fast paced, I'm not sure hold up
• 2:02:32
  under scrutiny. I remember wishing this was the
• 2:02:35
  two part and not the ganga story important to the overall Moffat
• 2:02:39
  of the era. Keep it he's wave.
• 2:02:43
  It is orange flag for this it's so big.
• 2:02:47
  Orange make, let's keep in this one.
• 2:02:49
  Joe, what are you doing with it? You know I'm billing.
• 2:02:52
  This one. I have gotten this one for lots
• 2:02:55
  and lots of reasons. Doctor Who becoming Marvel in
• 2:02:59
  the opening minutes as the loan Centurion takes on the entire
• 2:03:03
  cyber Fleet. Did you think that was a bit
• 2:03:05
  cool made? I did think this whole like do
• 2:03:07
  you want me to repeat the question?
• 2:03:10
  We had it. James, what do you think will
• 2:03:13
  always sent you? And yes or no. oh, God, I mean
• 2:03:17
  by this stage, I was hoping that that was left in.
• 2:03:21
  Whichever Universe. It was last series.
• 2:03:23
  I'm literally talking physical appearance, you know?
• 2:03:29
  Um, I know you like them. Topless, do you like him dressed
• 2:03:32
  as you want a minute? Underpants like he was in the
• 2:03:34
  power free. I did not raise the flag, I kind
• 2:03:39
  of you know that's a Sparta. Sorry, for example.
• 2:03:55
  Um, does not do it for me as a Roman Grace and, you know, carry
• 2:03:59
  on Drew. It's a very, very silly scene.
• 2:04:01
  And I just hate all of this. Bring in loads of the doll
• 2:04:05
  experience, loads of the sidemen and wipe them all out for one
• 2:04:08
  time though. We do it and Tom at the doctor
• 2:04:10
  as well. I just think it's bullshit every
• 2:04:13
  single time. It's just there for spectacle,
• 2:04:15
  it doesn't really work for me. Killing Amy Amy's, baby up in
• 2:04:19
  their off explained this a million times.
• 2:04:21
  I hate it. I absolutely hate it.
• 2:04:23
  I think it's no, I haven't killed baby.
• 2:04:26
  It's good to see me baby but I turned it into you.
• 2:04:32
  Technically the second time is killed Amy's baby, right?
• 2:04:34
  She was short in. Impossible Astronaut Paul River.
• 2:04:39
  No, wonder she ended up so fucked up, you know, murdered
• 2:04:43
  left right in the center. No, no, it's really sick.
• 2:04:45
  And I'm not the act itself because yeah, it's a Ganga, it's
• 2:04:48
  that Amy thought that was her baby and putting any character
• 2:04:51
  through that. I just think again, we're
• 2:04:55
  forgetting what audience we're going out to here.
• 2:04:57
  I really do think Moffitt is heading this series for, I don't
• 2:05:00
  know 18, plus and it's just we never should be heading in that
• 2:05:04
  direction. I don't think it's very
• 2:05:06
  unpleasant in a season full of unpleasant moments.
• 2:05:08
  That's the worst by a mile turn in the doctor into a monster
• 2:05:12
  that be where he the Tardis materializes in dorians place
• 2:05:16
  and it's his shadow on the wall was like, no, please, I'm old.
• 2:05:20
  I'm fat here. We're doing that again.
• 2:05:22
  It's that like that's not the doctor.
• 2:05:26
  What did the doctor ever become that a portent of Doom?
• 2:05:30
  Like, he's totally locked. Whoever the doctor was in the
• 2:05:33
  11th Hour that goofball you know that brilliant goofball that
• 2:05:37
  could take on the universe. It's not this.
• 2:05:39
  He's lost his wife somewhere between there and here.
• 2:05:42
  I think that's what this episode is trying to see what it just
• 2:05:47
  doesn't do. It doesn't do it because it's
• 2:05:49
  celebrates. It doesn't condemn.
• 2:05:50
  It what does it looks at the end river?
• 2:05:53
  Makes that point of like, you know, this is your fault.
• 2:05:56
  This is what you've become because you have scared so many
• 2:05:58
  people. These people, there would the
• 2:06:01
  doctor is worried that because of you it's it's trying to make
• 2:06:05
  that point. I feel it's just not doing it
• 2:06:06
  nearly as well as it should or could if it was, It's Time.
• 2:06:10
  Lord Victorious again. But it's enjoying too much being
• 2:06:15
  on Victorious. Yeah.
• 2:06:17
  Or for that condemnation at the end to actually work.
• 2:06:20
  Yeah, I should be. I'm making amends for this.
• 2:06:23
  Yeah, you're right. I was about disagree about what
• 2:06:27
  Matt Smith anger in that Colonel.
• 2:06:29
  Run away saying off, I think he looks like a joke in that scene.
• 2:06:32
  I just don't think he is not the best and there's many things he
• 2:06:36
  can do. He can't perform.
• 2:06:38
  I just don't buy it when he's really angry and he's right.
• 2:06:41
  It's just doesn't work for me at all.
• 2:06:44
  Sorry, was that Sylvester much? Or was that do Ross, all free.
• 2:06:51
  And really, I think the biggest problem I have with this, is
• 2:06:55
  this so many characters in this, he pulls together this whole
• 2:06:57
  group of characters, and there's so many of them that none of
• 2:07:01
  them actually get any character. So, you can pretty much assume
• 2:07:05
  them up. As the silurian lesbian, the gay
• 2:07:08
  thing fat, Anglican Marine, the sontara and the fat blue man
• 2:07:12
  like That's all you get of these people and he can characterize
• 2:07:16
  people. I've seen him do it in many an
• 2:07:18
  episode and so yeah I don't know who that gang is.
• 2:07:22
  Oh there's one scene one scene that works like gangbusters and
• 2:07:28
  that is when the doctor Amy and Rory come back together again
• 2:07:31
  with the baby, right? And it's cute as hell and it's
• 2:07:35
  funny and the chemistry is there.
• 2:07:37
  And I'm like, Where has this been all season?
• 2:07:40
  That is where this team works brilliantly.
• 2:07:43
  We had a loads of it in five. I don't always like it but they
• 2:07:47
  chemistry was there and that's just been ditched this season
• 2:07:51
  completely so that works a treat.
• 2:07:53
  But no for all the other reasons I think this is all Bluster and
• 2:07:57
  no delivery not for me. James as Jews Champion, or you
• 2:08:03
  going to agree with him or you gonna disagree.
• 2:08:05
  We have a brilliant story um, where the doctor Paul's together
• 2:08:09
  and absolute kind of like ragtag, bunch of weirdos and
• 2:08:14
  desperado's and everything and they're pulled together.
• 2:08:19
  To fight for the common good and everything.
• 2:08:21
  Um sadly. That was The Runaway Train.
• 2:08:24
  The audio that Steven? Moffat listened to in order to
• 2:08:28
  kind of Plagiarize the plot, something rotten.
• 2:08:32
  Um, I've written crap and underlined it, you know, it is
• 2:08:37
  just fucking awful. I mean, The opening with the
• 2:08:42
  Cyber ships. Sorry know what.
• 2:08:44
  So where did that come from? That's just like, you know it's
• 2:08:48
  like how much time has passed since the the previous story,
• 2:08:53
  you know? Um.
• 2:08:56
  And I mean say that the Headless monks I absolutely despise them.
• 2:09:00
  I mean, it's just like, what the fuck is all that about?
• 2:09:02
  Oh, if we remove their heads, then they become obedient
• 2:09:05
  because they can't think for themselves.
• 2:09:06
  Yeah, they can't kind of Breeze and they can't come of activate
• 2:09:11
  their heart and and everything and He's just really, it is just
• 2:09:16
  bizarre scene after bizarre scene.
• 2:09:19
  And yeah. Whoever said in the comments,
• 2:09:21
  apologies, my my brain is from medicine tonight.
• 2:09:24
  By the way, for people who don't have didn't hear the opening
• 2:09:26
  bits before the camera rolling. It's set in a warehouse.
• 2:09:32
  Sorry, it is just kind of, we should have got this in the days
• 2:09:36
  of autonom, you know? That was I mean, this.
• 2:09:41
  Just absolutely shunt. Um, I mean, all I was done on
• 2:09:47
  Tempe, you can forgive me, can't, you know, um, was
• 2:09:51
  actually set in the story in a warehouse, so yeah.
• 2:09:56
  I'm gonna say the the baby thing is the same fake out as the Amy
• 2:10:01
  thing. It's you know, Moffat basically,
• 2:10:03
  rerunning you the previous Cliffhanger again.
• 2:10:07
  Um and again the problem is, you know, if we're talking about it
• 2:10:11
  in terms of a standalone story, it is just bollocks if we're
• 2:10:17
  talking about it in terms of the Ark.
• 2:10:19
  It's bollocks. This is the second worst story
• 2:10:26
  of the whole season. There is not a bin deep enough
• 2:10:30
  to contain this, absolute shite been it getting the feeling you
• 2:10:37
  think this is Bullock's. I mean, I'm always so I've got a
• 2:10:42
  question that because, I'm sorry.
• 2:10:43
  Yeah, Bullock's serves a purpose.
• 2:10:45
  Oh they absolutely do James. Moving on, Michael.
• 2:10:52
  A good man goes to war. Has one last chance.
• 2:10:55
  Please. Come on somebody the same.
• 2:10:57
  Someone that's gonna stick up for, are you going to be that,
• 2:11:01
  man? Well.
• 2:11:04
  It's got a great sense of opening that we've just come
• 2:11:07
  back from a season break after a cliffhanger.
• 2:11:09
  And we're reintroducing people to this big side.
• 2:11:12
  Unfortunately, that big break as he hasn't happened.
• 2:11:15
  It was last week. so okay, we've got this dramatic open with me
• 2:11:20
  to be missed out and adventure of the doctor and Roy trying to
• 2:11:23
  figure things out and Trace down all Follow the traces go.
• 2:11:27
  Oh, there's a trace. Here.
• 2:11:28
  We'll go here. See if that's where we can meet.
• 2:11:31
  Dorian for the first type of the first time since Panda's and
• 2:11:38
  then we can slowly seed as to where he's going where he's
• 2:11:41
  going, then we can get the story.
• 2:11:42
  So we've got some sense of whether these characters have
• 2:11:44
  come from. And we've got some, there's some
• 2:11:49
  nice visual moments and then he its it comes with this, Robert's
• 2:11:52
  home's, think of unknown to go for the moment and so cohesion.
• 2:11:57
  and I did quite like the idea of roomy of Rolly is still prepared
• 2:12:04
  to fight and continue looking for Amy as he's late, but he's
• 2:12:07
  done it before. And I was thinking about when
• 2:12:09
  watching his season was a whole lot thinking of an old adage
• 2:12:12
  Hitchcock used, In his films and just to get all you sorting gets
• 2:12:17
  a bit disturbing it. One of it, one of his favorite
• 2:12:20
  cliche is to keep your audience interested.
• 2:12:22
  You've got to make a woman suffer and as you know he does
• 2:12:26
  do that with it doesn't offer is doing that with Amy and they
• 2:12:30
  actually doing it with Roy but he's doing a lot worse rivalry
• 2:12:33
  and you don't tend to notice it because maybe it is gender
• 2:12:36
  biased. But you It's less obvious, but
• 2:12:39
  it's, alright. It's gender bias, and he get
• 2:12:40
  well, you know, it's quite so much for it.
• 2:12:42
  Well, it's a male character, Michael, I didn't mention Rory.
• 2:12:45
  Once when I was talking about the babies and scary, did I, I
• 2:12:48
  didn't notice him at all. So it's, you know, it's going so
• 2:12:52
  it's it's clocking thing of Maintenance of buses.
• 2:12:54
  Let It Go. When he getting kills like
• 2:12:58
  friends and the birds, and that strange bit in topaz which is
• 2:13:05
  probably the only bits which is visually interesting or engaging
• 2:13:09
  or but we don't talk about that awful film, but So as you make,
• 2:13:14
  yes, I am not. I'm not fight against the tired
• 2:13:17
  of this one. No, this is a this is
• 2:13:18
  definitely. So, that is the first four
• 2:13:22
  stories discussed. We have kept two, and we have
• 2:13:25
  been to So before we start discussing the remained and
• 2:13:30
  remaining stories of this series gentlemen do you want to
• 2:13:34
  Enlighten us with the second batch?
• 2:13:37
  Of public comments. The first Michael.
• 2:13:41
  Okay, so we got Dave ready? The series for the binging.
• 2:13:45
  Watch it. Like that to me makes a bit more
• 2:13:48
  sense, but an overly complicated series David by the Dave.
• 2:13:52
  By the way, it's the series for the bin.
• 2:13:55
  Jin but Ryan Daniel. It starts with all.
• 2:13:59
  I think he's one of the finest. Two parts of the new series and
• 2:14:02
  goes drastically down hill from there.
• 2:14:04
  I've never been a huge fan of the doctors wife and never
• 2:14:07
  understood the immense. Praise it gets Aaron Brewer.
• 2:14:12
  Serious Six is a mixed bag for me.
• 2:14:14
  It's got a couple of my favorite episodes of it and I like
• 2:14:17
  maturity of it but it's one of those where the good and the bad
• 2:14:20
  is bad. There's little gray area in
• 2:14:23
  between for me. Jack, Claire.
• 2:14:26
  Okay, we've got an essay from Jack.
• 2:14:28
  One of my least favorite new Who series?
• 2:14:31
  I think because it doesn't seem to follow on from the Thematic
• 2:14:34
  conclusion, Series. 5 arrives at that.
• 2:14:36
  Amy can balance the worlds of Rory, and the doctor, she can
• 2:14:39
  grow up while still clinging onto her child to dreams.
• 2:14:42
  That seems to have a much more natural follow-up in series 7, a
• 2:14:46
  and one and one wonders, where the six slash 7, a could be
• 2:14:51
  condensed into one super series. That keeps the increase scale
• 2:14:55
  and ambition being the first new series to keep the same team
• 2:14:58
  while staying true to the core of what makes serious five so
• 2:15:01
  engaging. Don't sleep.
• 2:15:04
  It was awesome. My least.
• 2:15:08
  My least favorite series. New and so far, the only one
• 2:15:12
  like actively dislike, plenty of commendable scale and Bishop and
• 2:15:15
  moth and Moffat. He told me Mysteries aiming for
• 2:15:19
  the cosmic, the Greek tragedy, tragedy even, Michael storms,
• 2:15:23
  words are spoke about actor. But so it feels empty and
• 2:15:28
  unsatisfied identical back to it very often.
• 2:15:31
  My biggest issue is the series out feels crudely stapled on
• 2:15:35
  rather than beloved play which makes many Standalone stories
• 2:15:38
  impossible to enjoy on the road when you when you and every
• 2:15:41
  episode of the variation on Amy progress.
• 2:15:44
  Yes. No or that doctors?
• 2:15:45
  Good or die soon. Remember it's true.
• 2:15:50
  Steph destroyer of worlds. I have now kind to say about it.
• 2:15:54
  It's probably my least favorite of all the series is ever from
• 2:15:59
  us being hypnotized into genocide by checks notes.
• 2:16:02
  The doctor to the over Trump's nothingness of nothingness, of
• 2:16:06
  eye patch women and the painful, ultimate untimely ripped R but
• 2:16:10
  ending overblown crap. That was a tough one to read
• 2:16:15
  out. Well done.
• 2:16:15
  Yeah, James lark. Having delivered, a perfect
• 2:16:20
  story arc in Matt Smith this first season Moffitt promises.
• 2:16:23
  Something even more ambitious and consequence and
• 2:16:27
  consequentially. Good turn around and thoroughly,
• 2:16:28
  boss it up. None of it delivers nothing guys
• 2:16:31
  up and the non-market elements feel compromised, a mess.
• 2:16:35
  Edward cook Reese. I find Serious Six.
• 2:16:38
  A story as story of two halves. Well, it was a series of two
• 2:16:41
  halves as well. So, that fits while I enjoyed
• 2:16:44
  the overall story of it, I do find the first half a lot
• 2:16:47
  stronger, there seems to be some direction of a well thought out
• 2:16:51
  storyline, which then lost its way massively in the second
• 2:16:54
  half, although there are exceptions on both sides.
• 2:16:58
  Piece. Oh, that's a hole.
• 2:17:00
  This thing is her mixed bag. The ark is too convoluted for a
• 2:17:04
  knot weed to follow, but this has the inverse effect of making
• 2:17:07
  making the non Ark stories more enjoyable because they're not,
• 2:17:10
  they're not trying to do too many clever things.
• 2:17:14
  Speaking of clever, things. David, Gillespie Pratt after
• 2:17:17
  playing it. Safe is sees after playing it.
• 2:17:19
  Safe is season 5 in season 5 moth that goes Full Throttle
• 2:17:23
  into this season. The first episode Works
• 2:17:26
  incredibly well. Setting up some interesting
• 2:17:28
  ideas. It's such a shame that it gets
• 2:17:30
  messy from day of the Moon a veritable mixed bag.
• 2:17:34
  In Martin, from all stories in the end.
• 2:17:37
  Excellent podcast. By the way.
• 2:17:39
  Brave attempt to do something different with the format bit of
• 2:17:43
  a shame. The ark was so barbaric for Amy
• 2:17:44
  and Rory musica Trail in the Immortals on portrait.
• 2:17:48
  That was a church. Yes.
• 2:17:51
  People Pete, I found Doctor Who Serious Six in the expected to
• 2:17:56
  pop in and out of order to revisit as a whole.
• 2:17:58
  Maybe it's selfish of moths to expect me to load such a big
• 2:18:02
  game into my memory, but it's in here now and I can't help.
• 2:18:05
  But love the doctors mad marriage to a force of nature.
• 2:18:08
  It's what he deserved. All quid the final scenes of a
• 2:18:13
  number of episodes are really struck in and how they drive the
• 2:18:16
  narrative forward, broadly connections between episodes,
• 2:18:18
  and trading a sense of continuing storyline.
• 2:18:20
  It's skillfully done and much closer to an American model of
• 2:18:23
  Television production. It's almost as if he was aiming
• 2:18:26
  for America and finally, David Flint starts almost as an
• 2:18:31
  X-Files homage with shadowy aliens and conspiracy themes
• 2:18:34
  ironic as like that. Show the Standalone story shine
• 2:18:38
  while Ark quickly disappears up his own backside, the trio of a
• 2:18:42
  good man Hitler and wedding sink some otherwise competent to
• 2:18:45
  Great episodes, brackets, closing time, aside, By the way,
• 2:18:51
  that that's homage in the stage. In the meaning of, he homage me
• 2:18:55
  with a son of shotgun and The Great Train homology.
• 2:18:57
  I obviously, I'm not kidding on this season.
• 2:19:01
  I even, I am surprised at the vitriol that overall in these
• 2:19:07
  comments because usually, with this format, with this show, the
• 2:19:11
  comments are mixed upholstery. This is the most negative set of
• 2:19:17
  comments I have ever heard read out.
• 2:19:19
  I feel quite sad the series. Exactly.
• 2:19:23
  It's got my company to the diamond up a little bit.
• 2:19:26
  Not enough to make me want to watch it again, but I do feel
• 2:19:29
  sorry. Alright, so round two then
• 2:19:32
  gentlemen and James since he went first in round one Michael
• 2:19:37
  you can kick off round two for us please.
• 2:19:39
  Okay. I am going to I am going to go
• 2:19:42
  with the season finale and I am going to Bibit.
• 2:19:51
  So is it and put this is where my Nemesis side of me is coming
• 2:19:58
  out because I can see what Joe's gonna say.
• 2:20:00
  This needs to be at least 75 minutes or two parts gold.
• 2:20:10
  So everything is boom. Boom.
• 2:20:12
  Boom, boom. It's there's no time to breathe.
• 2:20:14
  It's feels like that bit in the end of the world.
• 2:20:17
  So three where all the characters need to be tripping
• 2:20:19
  over into the next SEA? And so we have some interesting
• 2:20:23
  setups with the vision open. Visuals are quite nice with the
• 2:20:27
  cars and balloons and the mixed timelines.
• 2:20:30
  Roman's in the streets at others.
• 2:20:32
  Of course, if there's gonna be seizure and it's British face,
• 2:20:34
  of course, he's gonna be bloody Winston Churchill, but he
• 2:20:37
  Winston Churchill of of Sunday, massively be movies from the
• 2:20:44
  1940s. Churchill, not congregated
• 2:20:46
  fatigue, he was How do you get to drink enough whiskey?
• 2:20:52
  So to be to be convincingly a Churchill, but it's They're
• 2:20:57
  trying to do a show, not tell. But he still has to tell because
• 2:21:02
  the visuals on the road, don't add to go out somebody and then
• 2:21:05
  this happens to the only. There's lots of, there's lots of
• 2:21:08
  bits in it, which look great like this.
• 2:21:10
  They're with the with Mark 8 in his bad, his bad Prosthetics
• 2:21:14
  leading, the doctor through the tunnel or getting eaten or the
• 2:21:16
  schools. That's quite a good thing image.
• 2:21:18
  And it looks looks like something you would see inside
• 2:21:20
  elaborating, or a DOT Crystal, or, or return to all switch, you
• 2:21:25
  traumatized, a generation of children, or may, or tough, and
• 2:21:29
  stuff all did something to me. And quite like, Dorian in this,
• 2:21:36
  in this one. How do you know how badly in
• 2:21:39
  just? Hi or face.
• 2:21:43
  But he's just an exposition box. So why don't you?
• 2:21:46
  Why didn't he tell him this early?
• 2:21:48
  In the students? It was a busy day and I got
• 2:21:50
  beheaded, did you say was that position boxing?
• 2:21:55
  Yes. Exactly.
• 2:21:59
  What Is this I do I do like a little bit about the Brigadier.
• 2:22:05
  I found a glad they didn't go with the idea of the post-credit
• 2:22:08
  sequence with it. To say that was a rotten Trek.
• 2:22:11
  Arista it. You please that was a lie,
• 2:22:14
  right? That's a Charlie, please.
• 2:22:18
  I hope it's a joke at least, but it's a couple of doctors
• 2:22:22
  magazines. So whether we moth was just
• 2:22:25
  joking because he just tend to piss around and interviews of
• 2:22:28
  it, doesn't he? Yeah.
• 2:22:31
  It's But he don't have a proper showdown between the doctor and
• 2:22:36
  Martin Luther. Yeah, she seems to be casually
• 2:22:40
  popped off and and they just turns out to be a little bit of
• 2:22:44
  a psychopath, but then we kind of been getting that.
• 2:22:48
  Getting that across. And It's just a bit of them.
• 2:22:52
  It's just a bit of a mess. So I say needs a bit more time
• 2:22:55
  for the ideas to breathe. We need to have a better.
• 2:22:59
  One of how. Tongan is collapsing.
• 2:23:02
  And why is this? Why is this such a bad thing?
• 2:23:05
  It's And if there is a concept of, why did people talk about
• 2:23:09
  time and clocks and why is there a nursery rhyme?
• 2:23:12
  Good tiktok. If they never do this, what you
• 2:23:15
  know, it's supposed to be reality.
• 2:23:18
  It's not It needs to be it's like a he's written a two-part
• 2:23:22
  finale and realized he's only got one episode took a quick
• 2:23:25
  quick quick. Quick.
• 2:23:25
  Quick quick. Quick quickly have it. oh,
• 2:23:30
  Somehow being a woman is a dramatic revelation.
• 2:23:36
  And we all said, we all know. That's the surface is going to
• 2:23:39
  be the doctor, so it should have been somebody else is to say
• 2:23:42
  rawly for example, because these don't tell the running theme and
• 2:23:46
  getting running theme of him liking to dress up as Romans.
• 2:23:52
  and ultimately, it's The resolution is, you know, to the
• 2:23:57
  season up its you know, with the Tesla to it's a bit test.
• 2:24:01
  James will say yes if he set fire to it, as he got camouflage
• 2:24:06
  device to, it looks like it's burning away.
• 2:24:09
  Is the real is, the reason they're pushing it.
• 2:24:11
  Pushing away to hide it from Amy or to hide the fact that it is
• 2:24:15
  the Tesla. It's not.
• 2:24:16
  Well, so that is, it means to be clear of that River songs in the
• 2:24:19
  HBC that Rivers pushing it away. Intentionally and it just, It,
• 2:24:25
  if the suit is pretty programmed, how could how could
• 2:24:29
  she move? How could she move the gun?
• 2:24:30
  I'm not shoot him in the first place and it's the whole
• 2:24:33
  cheating when she says it. It needs to be more.
• 2:24:37
  If this is the definition of it needs to be like the Masters
• 2:24:40
  magic ring which giggles at the end of end of last of the time
• 2:24:44
  Lords or Ming, the merciless is rainfall, flush goes on.
• 2:24:47
  Its Too many ideas. Not not enough, Focus.
• 2:24:52
  And you get going for the moment and look, rather, that rather
• 2:24:56
  than like adhesive wrap up to the seasons of hole. so, Yes, in
• 2:25:02
  the bin. you do realize I bought you in here to see a nice thing,
• 2:25:05
  so you Might as well be honest. It is staggering that this is
• 2:25:12
  from the same pain at the man who wrote the Pandora open.
• 2:25:15
  So yeah, because that's a part of shit as well.
• 2:25:20
  Should we go to the comments? Free.
• 2:25:22
  Go to the comments on this one. And Jason Thompson says good
• 2:25:26
  things about the wedding of River Song.
• 2:25:29
  In the previous Seasons, ending of a universal Coalition out, to
• 2:25:32
  destroy the doctor show, a universal positive response to a
• 2:25:35
  complete to help the doctor reminded him of the good.
• 2:25:38
  He is done. And the touchy moment, the
• 2:25:40
  doctor was told of the death of the Brigadier.
• 2:25:41
  Yes, I welled up at that. The rest is just a little tiny
• 2:25:46
  gold that did not make for a satisfying or conclusion at all.
• 2:25:49
  Binit. Downlet Randall, says, kissing
• 2:25:53
  on a CSO roof to reset time, was not a wedding.
• 2:25:57
  Another of those episodes filled with trailer moments, that fail
• 2:26:00
  to engage, with me, in context. The whole thing felt like a
• 2:26:03
  cheat. I'm sure many loved the show,
• 2:26:05
  but it really wasn't for me anymore.
• 2:26:08
  Crash dummy says wedding is just crap, The Logical for
• 2:26:12
  intellectual gobeyn's. Tobler performances, terrible
• 2:26:16
  story, terrible villain the eye patches look like they made from
• 2:26:20
  sweet wrappers and here, which would have been more
• 2:26:23
  structurally sound than this story.
• 2:26:24
  Bin refrigerator, Dan Hollingsworth says, I object all
• 2:26:32
  kinds of plots get weed into this turd of a finale and it
• 2:26:36
  cannot be polished into shape. Writing yourself into a corner
• 2:26:39
  with the doctor being killed by river and also marrying with her
• 2:26:43
  drowning River Song more like River pole.
• 2:26:47
  Is he wanted a story with a song.
• 2:26:50
  Oh, that's a terrorist attack. I love it.
• 2:26:54
  Paul's my fine end to a decent series.
• 2:26:58
  Doctor and River have some special scenes Together.
• 2:27:00
  Matt Smith ends the series on a high.
• 2:27:02
  Keep both smile. You're the outlier horror Daniel
• 2:27:06
  rules. Here comes the Sigh, even I
• 2:27:09
  can't defend this one. Moffat rehashes, giant chunks of
• 2:27:13
  the Big Bang, only this six series ends on a whimper,
• 2:27:16
  rushing for a two-part finale and a breathless. 45 minutes
• 2:27:19
  that don't make a liquor sense and only leave more questions
• 2:27:22
  than answers. Peter old.
• 2:27:25
  True story. When I was a child, I did a
• 2:27:28
  statistical analysis of Doctor Who stories monsters.
• 2:27:31
  Tables plots, regenerations. Companion changes except for And
• 2:27:34
  then with the world of a few days, I was a Dungeons and
• 2:27:37
  Dragons. So dice with knobs on would run
• 2:27:40
  randomly generate season after season of whole new stories.
• 2:27:44
  Steven Moffat clearly stole my dice underneath this.
• 2:27:47
  If this is what he comes up with me, he keep them because I don't
• 2:27:50
  want them. But, oh, great.
• 2:27:51
  David, Gillespie Pratt. I don't hate this but I really
• 2:27:55
  don't like it. I've Oh sorry, but I don't
• 2:27:58
  really like it. I've been as a difference there,
• 2:28:00
  so I'm extremely bold, Concepts and ideas.
• 2:28:03
  The claps of timelines is really well realized, but the idea that
• 2:28:06
  the Universe has to believe the doctor is dead last for how long
• 2:28:11
  Daniel Knight says, it's all a load of Moffat he bobbins.
• 2:28:14
  So in enough at the Walt see what sticks and none of it does
• 2:28:18
  another season finale. Another big reset button and I
• 2:28:22
  really can't stand that door ending.
• 2:28:28
  Oh, glad I got this next one. Paul Quinn wedding is Sublime.
• 2:28:32
  It looks beautiful, especially the train chugging into the
• 2:28:35
  pyramid, the flashbacks work well, the vignettes, give a
• 2:28:39
  sense of scale and Fracture. It has its own, internal logic.
• 2:28:42
  I can see why it's disliked particularly by those who don't
• 2:28:45
  like hard science fiction, but I adore it.
• 2:28:50
  And I've got John Benson. Yeah.
• 2:28:52
  Oh yeah, yeah. Comes the sheet.
• 2:28:56
  Why does moffatt insist on regurgitate and self-important
• 2:28:59
  potentials words? Why can't Moffat at least trying
• 2:29:02
  out the season orchestra's? Why does Moffat think that the
• 2:29:05
  freeze Doctor Who is funny? Answers on a postcard, please.
• 2:29:09
  And finally, of course, Big Orange.
• 2:29:13
  Michael says, not sure it sticks.
• 2:29:16
  The landing on the season, feels like it should have been a
• 2:29:19
  two-parter. I wanted to love it, like I did
• 2:29:21
  at the end of the series 5, it's good.
• 2:29:23
  But in the decades since aired, I haven't watched it as much as
• 2:29:27
  I should. Awesome.
• 2:29:29
  Thank you. Joe Wright, anyone listening at
• 2:29:31
  home. That needs a piss brick.
• 2:29:32
  Go. Now, because I'm about to hand
• 2:29:35
  over to James. Um, I'm gonna keep this very
• 2:29:42
  short. Oh my God you started that with
• 2:29:44
  I'm Gonna Keep. And I was like, what?
• 2:29:48
  I think it is fair to say that I would like to keep this in a
• 2:29:53
  very deep nuclear bunker. Just, yeah, um, there is a whole
• 2:30:00
  75 minute rant from me about this at 90 minute James. 90
• 2:30:05
  minutes. Sorry.
• 2:30:08
  Yeah, time Stood Still during the story.
• 2:30:11
  And I basically felt every bloody second of it standing
• 2:30:16
  still was. I was watching it.
• 2:30:17
  Um it is just absolutely fucking shite.
• 2:30:23
  It is one of my least favorite ever Doctor, Who episodes is
• 2:30:29
  very difficult for me to think of ones.
• 2:30:30
  Which I hate more, but there are a couple, um, and yeah, just
• 2:30:34
  there is absolutely not a single redeeming, second of it, in
• 2:30:38
  their bin, the fucking shit. Please know what are the
• 2:30:46
  episodes you dislike more than this?
• 2:30:49
  um, But he's simply the pandorica, opens, big bang and
• 2:30:53
  Christmas Carol as a run of three, is one of the shittiest.
• 2:30:56
  Things I have ever seen in Doctor, Who I think people might
• 2:31:01
  sort of be with you on the wedding of River Song.
• 2:31:04
  You may have lost them. I absolutely hate those three.
• 2:31:09
  So yeah, yeah, great. So with the bin from James
• 2:31:14
  Jewel, Yeah, I'm gonna just keep this soaked because I've ranted
• 2:31:19
  enough so I'm just going to go over to my friend Mueller from
• 2:31:24
  the pirate planet. Why?
• 2:31:26
  Why why? Why?
• 2:31:28
  Why why? Why Delilah?
• 2:31:31
  That's all I'm gonna say. I'm with James.
• 2:31:35
  This is this is mine. The deer of new.
• 2:31:38
  Oh, hi this. I feel.
• 2:31:41
  I've got to see a bit more. Like someone's gonna say
• 2:31:44
  something about this shit? Why is it?
• 2:31:47
  Well, you need another rant from me though.
• 2:31:50
  Do you like Amy murdering Madame kavar and hit it the way the
• 2:31:54
  comes together? I hate it.
• 2:31:57
  That's one of the things I like about this is that where he
• 2:32:01
  kills mother of it feels remember in the end of season 5
• 2:32:05
  of Buffy. Mmm, where Buffy has defeated
• 2:32:11
  Glory? That God who turns back to a
• 2:32:13
  human form and Buffy, walks away and leaves, haven't Giles?
• 2:32:19
  Delivers the coup de gras. I felt very much like that it
• 2:32:22
  felt very much like the again, you know, a character that you
• 2:32:26
  normally used to have a certain ethical standpoint is now
• 2:32:30
  stepping outside of that they've been pushed to certain level or
• 2:32:34
  they are, you know, reacting to you know, showing a side of
• 2:32:38
  themselves that is hitherto been.
• 2:32:42
  Hidden. And Charles has lots of back
• 2:32:45
  history of being. Yeah, and I mean basically after
• 2:32:50
  this like she should be partish for that, she's murdered
• 2:32:53
  somebody No point in this series.
• 2:32:55
  Do we ever truly get? a sense of Amy's child, being
• 2:33:04
  taken from her having any impact on her.
• 2:33:07
  Part from that point. That is the literally, the only
• 2:33:11
  point in this entire runs that killing slightly and then you
• 2:33:14
  just get over it. That is the ark.
• 2:33:17
  The ark, you know, is Amy having a chance to be.
• 2:33:19
  It has no effect on her whatsoever.
• 2:33:21
  Should I have to that moment to have a common in and seeing
• 2:33:25
  actually, um, you know, I'm gonna put you out, you know, you
• 2:33:29
  took my child off me and that has made me into a murderer.
• 2:33:32
  You took my child and made him a murderer.
• 2:33:35
  You have made me into one as well.
• 2:33:37
  So what you just said There Michael is exactly, right?
• 2:33:40
  Fraser. It should have been built up to
• 2:33:43
  more. It should have been More of a.
• 2:33:49
  Just not just like a throwaway Lane really, it shouldn't have
• 2:33:52
  just, it should have been built up to and build up to over
• 2:33:55
  proceed in store. He's bought.
• 2:33:57
  This is the the fold of this series that there is not that
• 2:34:01
  cool. Cohesion.
• 2:34:02
  We've said from the start, there's not that cool, he's in.
• 2:34:04
  That Arc is not woven enough into this series for that
• 2:34:09
  actually be able to happen. The reason I really don't like
• 2:34:13
  this is and kind of going what you said was, you know, it's bum
• 2:34:17
  bum bum. It's like we we know that sort
• 2:34:22
  of Dick's quote or quit or whatever.
• 2:34:24
  You know? Oh, I'll just fix that with a
• 2:34:26
  line. Moffats made an entire episode
• 2:34:30
  around that. He's built his whole episode
• 2:34:33
  about well, I'll just fix everything with the line.
• 2:34:35
  And, you know, how can a me, remember the The universe back
• 2:34:41
  in or the doctor back in existence while I put a line in
• 2:34:43
  here, you know. It was there any impact on Amy?
• 2:34:47
  When a baby was told me, I'll put a line in here.
• 2:34:48
  I'll put a scene in here. I'll put this in here.
• 2:34:50
  I'll put that in there. Everything.
• 2:34:52
  I need a wrap up everything that I haven't been able to do in
• 2:34:56
  previous stories because I've been too busy Sherlock and all
• 2:34:58
  whatever. I'm gonna put into this one and
• 2:35:00
  tie it up. you know, and With the line.
• 2:35:04
  Basically, it's just not working whatsoever.
• 2:35:09
  I've watched this a couple of times in the last couple of
• 2:35:13
  weeks in preparation for this, in every time I'm watching it.
• 2:35:16
  I'm seeing another one of these lines.
• 2:35:17
  There's another sort of explanation of something that
• 2:35:19
  happened. Five stories, 10 storeys 15
• 2:35:22
  stories early on. In.
• 2:35:24
  You shouldn't have that. You shouldn't have to watch them
• 2:35:26
  like three times to understand. What's getting picked up.
• 2:35:29
  It's just too fast pace. It's too late.
• 2:35:32
  It ends. You know, we talked about
• 2:35:36
  Impossible Planet. I said, you know, let's not Slit
• 2:35:38
  that because of How It Ends, This Is How It Ends.
• 2:35:40
  We've done the Columbus thing with weighted and waited, and
• 2:35:43
  we've waited to see how Muffet is going to wrap it up and ah,
• 2:35:46
  it was never the doctor. Well, what was me?
• 2:35:51
  Haven't you and your money there?
• 2:35:53
  Didn't you in your wage Mr. Moffatt DMV.
• 2:35:55
  That is. But didn't you say the whole
• 2:35:57
  thing is not ever supposed to be?
• 2:35:59
  Was it the doctor? Because we know it's not, yes,
• 2:36:01
  no, it's no know. How what's the get out?
• 2:36:03
  Yeah, go. Or is it the Tesla?
• 2:36:06
  Because I was a R2 options. Well, we've got other you, it's
• 2:36:09
  a Sci-Fi sure. You've got the limits of your
• 2:36:12
  imagination to come up with the way that the doctor gets out
• 2:36:14
  because we get Toledo, repeatedly the doctor dies.
• 2:36:18
  The doctor died. It's a fixed point in your team.
• 2:36:21
  The doctor dies. This 100% no cheats. happens,
• 2:36:27
  except when I do cheat because it wasn't the doctor it was
• 2:36:30
  revised is Resurrected not cheats.
• 2:36:38
  Yep. So it's it's a week ending to
• 2:36:41
  what could have been a fantastic you know, with a bit more
• 2:36:44
  effort. And I think it's it's possibly
• 2:36:46
  because I know Moffat is capable of better than this.
• 2:36:49
  That you kind of look at it and you go.
• 2:36:51
  Not your bestie emit. Not at all.
• 2:36:54
  So first, watch this episode was not with a knots way.
• 2:36:57
  In fact, GT voted. It was while it was broadcast
• 2:37:00
  because I was away in Cuba at the time.
• 2:37:01
  And so I think might be one of the first time she'd watch you,
• 2:37:06
  What? So, what's going on?
• 2:37:07
  What you'll have to get. You have to, I'll have to watch
• 2:37:13
  it because I might have this something that you Know, I still
• 2:37:17
  think I'm not really sure what's going to have this happening,
• 2:37:19
  how that happens? And one of my this was listening
• 2:37:24
  and she had, and she just went, what the hell was that all
• 2:37:27
  about? Like no clue whatsoever.
• 2:37:30
  There's some nice bits in it. There's some moments of charm,
• 2:37:32
  but not it's a bin for me as well.
• 2:37:34
  So, Where in the river song? Oh, series.
• 2:37:38
  Sickles, can we please talk about something good?
• 2:37:40
  Can we James? It's your turn.
• 2:37:43
  Can we talk about James? Come on, change the time.
• 2:37:47
  We're gonna talk about one of my absolute favorite 11th, episode,
• 2:37:51
  one of my genuinely loved episodes.
• 2:37:56
  The God complex. Oh, I adore, this this is just
• 2:38:02
  kind of, you know, This would have been a wonderful kind of,
• 2:38:07
  you know. End of season type thing.
• 2:38:09
  I mean so it's starting at the end of the framework and
• 2:38:12
  backwards. I think it is a gorgeous exit
• 2:38:14
  for the ponds. Yeah, it's it.
• 2:38:17
  If they had left at this stage, I would have been actually far
• 2:38:21
  more happy with the way that The characters and everything
• 2:38:24
  progressed because I don't buy anything kind of after this.
• 2:38:28
  This is the natural way for the ponds to go.
• 2:38:32
  Everything about it. Just feels right.
• 2:38:34
  It feels lovely. Yeah.
• 2:38:36
  And yeah, after all the shit that has happened to the season
• 2:38:40
  for them, to get a happy ending for them to get a dream house.
• 2:38:42
  The car, everything that should have been the payoff that should
• 2:38:46
  have been kind of, you know, how it ended know what could have
• 2:38:51
  made it even better James, if it had gone.
• 2:38:52
  Fuck the ending of this Arc. The doctor just goes back in
• 2:38:55
  time, grabs the baby and get into says that you go River
• 2:38:59
  Song, never came to pay there's a wonderful for me as a glorious
• 2:39:06
  kind of like Nostalgia for so here with the story because I
• 2:39:10
  think at least three times in the Doctor, Who annuals, there's
• 2:39:13
  kind of like the soy, whether the doctor and companions.
• 2:39:16
  Cross the planet, fears Forest, Jungle of fear or something.
• 2:39:20
  Like, you know, that kind of makes them see what their most
• 2:39:23
  scared of and everything, and it's just like, Yeah, you know
• 2:39:26
  what this is actually kind of you know, classic Doctor Who
• 2:39:30
  this is, you know. Um it's just lovely that kind of
• 2:39:34
  like we've got a traditional story in the middle of this Arc.
• 2:39:37
  There is kind of bugger all to do with Madame kavarian,
• 2:39:40
  naphthyl. I mean all it's interesting that
• 2:39:44
  Amy is biggest fear, wasn't seeing her baby die again but
• 2:39:47
  that's a whole other issue. I mean, the other thing, I've
• 2:39:52
  got the guests. The guests characters are
• 2:39:54
  brilliant. I loved everyone in this story.
• 2:39:56
  I mean, it's almost like a kind of an Agatha Christie, and then
• 2:40:01
  there were none types of like, who's gonna go next?
• 2:40:03
  How are they gonna go? It's this.
• 2:40:05
  Wonderful, you want to keep watching because you partially
• 2:40:08
  want them to survive, but you want to see what they're scared
• 2:40:11
  of and party. Words again, I I can only say
• 2:40:16
  really about one or two episodes.
• 2:40:18
  I think Smith actually learned to act for this one.
• 2:40:22
  Um yeah, the most bizarre thing is my favorite shot of Smith is
• 2:40:27
  that very last one in the Tardis as it's fading to Black and you
• 2:40:31
  see him kind of collapse inwards and it's just like yeah he's
• 2:40:35
  he's just can't cope with his anyway.
• 2:40:37
  He's like he's beaten. He's, you know.
• 2:40:39
  And again that's what was missing from River song.
• 2:40:43
  I think it's like the feeling that kind of like there is a
• 2:40:45
  desperation everything I will leave him forgive the casting of
• 2:40:50
  one of the most abundant humans I can think of his currently
• 2:40:52
  living and isn't a politician, David walliams.
• 2:40:54
  Um, you know, I just can't stand him.
• 2:40:57
  I think he's a fucking awful actor.
• 2:40:58
  I think he's terrible writer. I think he's buggered up the
• 2:41:01
  children book industry completely.
• 2:41:02
  He's screwed over anyway. Um, just yeah, sorry.
• 2:41:06
  Um, please He's just, yeah. But it's just there is something
• 2:41:11
  lovely about the Simplicity of the setting the Simplicity of a
• 2:41:18
  monster. Stalking the corridors.
• 2:41:19
  There is okay. There is the slight Cop Out
• 2:41:22
  ending of, oh it's all the CGI, AI kind of environment type
• 2:41:26
  thing. And yeah, there's the the wanky
• 2:41:31
  kind of dying words of the monster sort of thing but
• 2:41:34
  because everything else is so wonderful about this story.
• 2:41:37
  I want to keep this one. I want to put it on a pedestal I
• 2:41:40
  want it just like, this is how Doctor Who should be.
• 2:41:43
  This is kind of emotional, its character driven.
• 2:41:45
  It's got scares in it and unlike I'll say the main comment below,
• 2:41:51
  but it's like, yeah. Ventriloquist dummies.
• 2:41:54
  Yeah, they actually do the, they are done creepily, you know,
• 2:41:58
  everything is the horror in this is actually genuine.
• 2:42:04
  And again. They do the proper thing in this
• 2:42:08
  story of the doctor opening the door.
• 2:42:10
  Okay, easy 11 on the number thing, but that's part of the CG
• 2:42:14
  environment. It's like, oh, who else would it
• 2:42:16
  be? But we don't see it, you know?
• 2:42:18
  And that's the thing from the annuals as well.
• 2:42:20
  They make a big point in the annual story of we don't ever
• 2:42:23
  find out what the doctors biggest fear was, you know.
• 2:42:26
  So I just think this is such a lovely story.
• 2:42:30
  It's a character piece. It's got plot.
• 2:42:32
  It's got monsters. It's got scares.
• 2:42:35
  He's just got everything and yeah, it's setting the most
• 2:42:39
  ghastly Hotel. I mean, He's the thought of
• 2:42:44
  being trapped in that hotel is terrifying enough with that
• 2:42:47
  wallpaper in that carpet. You know, I've had so many one
• 2:42:50
  night as in that hotel. I'll tell you what, I think it's
• 2:42:53
  the Travelodge and Ultra an alternative know.
• 2:42:55
  Yeah, I mean, I'm having flashbacks for a Motel 6 in
• 2:42:59
  America at the moment. I didn't have one lights in
• 2:43:02
  that. I had kind of a few hours.
• 2:43:03
  Oh, you don't get the Motel 6. You don't run by the night, you
• 2:43:09
  run by the hour, there is just so much.
• 2:43:12
  I love in this story and it's the one of the few saving
• 2:43:17
  Grace's of 110. For me, I want this one kept.
• 2:43:20
  I want this one. Framed pedestal I want this.
• 2:43:23
  Joy and celebrated, I'm actually sort of relaxing as someone
• 2:43:28
  saying something. No, I think.
• 2:43:30
  I'm just glad that I got to say it before.
• 2:43:32
  All right, go to the comments, then John see if this is carried
• 2:43:37
  out over. Jason Thompson says bin, the
• 2:43:40
  good complex for ripping off the end of the curse of fenric know,
• 2:43:44
  cause very terrible and the giving us a fake ending for Amy
• 2:43:48
  and Rory, it's like Moffat can't quite decide how to let go of
• 2:43:51
  his companions and so they leave get picked up again.
• 2:43:54
  Get killed, get brought back. It was an unsatisfying episode
• 2:43:58
  at the time and I've never felt the need to go back to it.
• 2:44:02
  Crash dummy says God complex is the best episode of new Who full
• 2:44:07
  stop, creepy engaging well written and brilliantly
• 2:44:11
  performed Rita is the greatest companion that never was in the
• 2:44:14
  setting is perfect. Keep forever.
• 2:44:16
  Thank you, smile following the positivity, my favorite Matt
• 2:44:21
  Smith episode, everything about this works, as we get to see
• 2:44:24
  what the doctrine is companions fear.
• 2:44:26
  Most And the onesie. The other one in a series.
• 2:44:30
  I really like if the pawn story actually ended, there it would
• 2:44:34
  have been a mic drop thrust balls move by Moffat.
• 2:44:36
  Smith is just a fan tastic in that last scene or Stony alien
• 2:44:42
  awkwardness. What's the alternative me
• 2:44:45
  standing over your career? Peter also says, there's no way
• 2:44:49
  that's related to the nine on. Scott, no, flares on his
• 2:44:52
  trousers and it's not walking on blocks.
• 2:44:56
  The Gillespie Pratt, another season highlight, which your
• 2:45:00
  tail a maturity on the complexities of the danger, the
• 2:45:04
  doctor brings to the people. He meets what the doctor saw
• 2:45:07
  inside Room 11 should have been shown later on.
• 2:45:10
  Daniel, not even Daniel Knight, you know, scaving of moffett's
• 2:45:14
  area. Usually a clever one-off story.
• 2:45:17
  I find David walliams annoying James at the best of times, but
• 2:45:21
  fortunately, we have a fantastic guest performance from Amara
• 2:45:24
  Karan as Rita who gets a heartbreaking demise, the
• 2:45:28
  departure of the ponds works. Well here, I kind of wish I'd
• 2:45:31
  stayed away. John bensalah shock horror part
• 2:45:35
  two which is just there was a part one to come.
• 2:45:38
  Yeah. John likes another new who story
• 2:45:41
  was to spoiler for some other than the name.
• 2:45:42
  It's not perfect. The customer generic William's,
• 2:45:46
  predictably stinks. The place out like a rancid
• 2:45:48
  Iggy, fart and endings. Respectively were done and It's
• 2:45:52
  a good creepy plot with some interesting visuals descriptions
• 2:45:56
  of these episodes are very sensual.
• 2:45:59
  What they the more flatulence going on tonight I feel and of
• 2:46:03
  course finally the biggest oranges, Michael says, I wanted
• 2:46:09
  to love it but it was a swing a miss What's going on?
• 2:46:13
  He's totally out of sync with everybody for me the weakest of
• 2:46:17
  the season. Been here.
• 2:46:19
  Well, Just shows, no one's perfect.
• 2:46:24
  So make all James decided he was going to praise him on that one.
• 2:46:27
  What about you? I'm crazy him to.
• 2:46:31
  I think when it comes to guest writers on the home, I think
• 2:46:35
  Toby Witt house. Declared Us in the mafia is
• 2:46:37
  probably my number one. Yes, writer.
• 2:46:40
  And I think this is probably his his best script.
• 2:46:45
  And yeah, this is just so much so much atmosphere with that
• 2:46:49
  mountains of dread each time. the each time one of the
• 2:46:53
  characters falls into falls into the Trap, The okay, so the
• 2:46:58
  brutal doesn't quite does doesn't quite work.
• 2:47:01
  It does make me think of that, dairy milk out, that was the
• 2:47:04
  dreaming gorilla. But if Doctor Who, of course,
• 2:47:07
  he's gonna have a dog monster at some point and the the setting
• 2:47:11
  of the creepy Travelodge motel. It's just nasty and horrible
• 2:47:17
  trapped in 1980s. It's just the vocative familiar
• 2:47:21
  setting is put it as usually says, it's your yes, it's on the
• 2:47:25
  toilet to treat him back. And it just, it just gives that
• 2:47:30
  extra sense of of damage to Earth, which I think.
• 2:47:34
  Is something which the muffet here is a whole tends to tends
• 2:47:38
  to miss certain Matt Smith here because there is a little bit of
• 2:47:40
  this fairytale quality. So but here it's The doctor.
• 2:47:44
  There were rather strange crappy Hotel.
• 2:47:45
  It's a little bit better than in monitoring other parts of the
• 2:47:49
  sea Sun. and okay, so the ending with with Amy is a little bit of
• 2:47:54
  a rip-off from curse of fenric, but I think it does it a lot
• 2:47:57
  better and it's The doctor doesn't break his Amy's faith in
• 2:48:02
  him by being cruel. Look at the same way.
• 2:48:03
  He does have to wait, he does. He breaks his faith that but
• 2:48:07
  being kind and being gentle, and raw, and raw, and the lovely
• 2:48:12
  talking about Howie and he's just, and there's a little talk
• 2:48:17
  about. He said, How he overcame a
• 2:48:20
  massive stutter, he'd been speech therapy.
• 2:48:22
  And there's that little scene that quite scene between him and
• 2:48:25
  the doctor. Whether they said, all vicious
• 2:48:28
  about saving the universe and it brings everything back.
• 2:48:31
  So it comes back to personal Victory.
• 2:48:33
  Here takes everything. What makes up, what makes it
• 2:48:35
  work? Is it to small scale evenly and
• 2:48:39
  his not that annoying, he's closed, but he's not, but He can
• 2:48:45
  he's just about the arms that length.
• 2:48:47
  I can tolerate him sort of and sort of level.
• 2:48:51
  But I did quite like to have the character of the permanent care
• 2:48:54
  is actually quite slim manipulative.
• 2:48:55
  It is in his cowardice to make sure he survives And the the god
• 2:49:03
  creature itself, kind of looks like a good good Muffy monster.
• 2:49:11
  It would not look at a place in Buffy, oranges.
• 2:49:16
  I quite like that, we don't have him speaking English or we just
• 2:49:20
  have it. How?
• 2:49:29
  Speak about, praise is suitably creepy.
• 2:49:32
  And yeah, so and Rita. So of course The course you.
• 2:49:40
  It is probably have all the Current Twitter people going.
• 2:49:44
  Oh, there they have a simple 30X gold.
• 2:49:48
  Character. Yeah. it's yeah, it's it's The
• 2:49:52
  way those days a little bit with the, you're a Muslim.
• 2:49:55
  Oh yes, don't be afraid, it feels a little cringe now but
• 2:50:00
  it's actually a good but it's good point, is that It's
• 2:50:04
  addressing people are media perception at the time.
• 2:50:08
  And something, I didn't notice which I don't think any of the
• 2:50:12
  new episode except for the fires fires upon pain at the fires of
• 2:50:16
  Vulcan, that's the big finish one, is that all the speaking
• 2:50:19
  human or human character just accredited in the parents order
• 2:50:23
  rather than what quite how I don't just this, I don't know,
• 2:50:27
  just hate. I will be very pleased that, you
• 2:50:29
  know this And the is the ending is Brent.
• 2:50:35
  Went to pull into the ponds by only quibble here.
• 2:50:39
  Is this should have been the penultimate episode, and this
• 2:50:41
  should have left and that the doctor leaving that scream house
• 2:50:44
  and him going to the artist. That should let him to these
• 2:50:50
  into the same at the end of closing time.
• 2:50:52
  It's far more thematically. So yes this is a definite
• 2:50:55
  information so to keep up for me.
• 2:50:58
  All Joe, are you going to keep this in suspense or you're
• 2:51:01
  putting this one through? I am definitely put this one
• 2:51:03
  through. This is one of two episodes of
• 2:51:06
  this season. I'd say oh absolute Classics for
• 2:51:08
  me. Like a really out there.
• 2:51:10
  Feels very McCoy. This to me, sort of like a
• 2:51:13
  realistic location the hotel but a bit off kilter a bit weird
• 2:51:18
  like paradise Towers or something like that.
• 2:51:20
  You know, we've genuinely characterized people, real
• 2:51:23
  scares and all the different rooms that are Paradise.
• 2:51:26
  Towers. Yeah.
• 2:51:27
  But, We've. Won wonderful.
• 2:51:31
  Wonderful companion that should have been in Rita.
• 2:51:34
  We could have dropped the ponds off here.
• 2:51:36
  You cannot take him as his hand. She would have been forget your
• 2:51:39
  fucking showers. She's got awful.
• 2:51:41
  You know what was the other companions?
• 2:51:44
  Almost were in this era. Lorna bucket.
• 2:51:46
  Okay. I think this is an unsung
• 2:51:49
  character. Just really interesting really
• 2:51:51
  like a ball immediately like a ball and that's called tough in
• 2:51:55
  the office area because I all have this annoying witty speak
• 2:51:58
  that they do The Buffy speak. Let's go with Buffy, Michael.
• 2:52:00
  Yeah, just really, really great. A great concept that gets you,
• 2:52:05
  that allows you to know the characters straight away.
• 2:52:08
  What they're scared of, I mean, that's, that's the most
• 2:52:11
  revealing thing of all. Right, about people.
• 2:52:13
  And just so I do, you just open the door and it's in the room
• 2:52:16
  and look on. Matt, Smith's face, when he
• 2:52:19
  opens that door. I mean we're all thinking
• 2:52:23
  something different, right? And the fact that we do, we see
• 2:52:26
  eventually of it. We do.
• 2:52:27
  Don't we in a lake? Yeah, boring.
• 2:52:30
  It should have been left ambiguous.
• 2:52:32
  Of course, he can't leave it alone, but that's another
• 2:52:34
  episode. But never mind, weird Sinister,
• 2:52:36
  funny imagery I think the the dolls laughing in the dining
• 2:52:41
  hall is really very scary. Yeah, the nine on knockoff
• 2:52:46
  amazing. The fact that it turns into a
• 2:52:48
  Star Trek holiday set. I just love, just everything
• 2:52:52
  about this. I just think this is this, it's
• 2:52:54
  the character. So the characters on my in for
• 2:52:56
  Doctor Who, if I like the characters, oh like the episode
• 2:53:00
  and I really like the characters.
• 2:53:02
  So yes, a huge win for Serious Six.
• 2:53:07
  Wait and gentlemen so far we've got two stories that we've known
• 2:53:11
  as the agree or binned and we now have our first story where
• 2:53:15
  we have unanimously agreed to keep.
• 2:53:16
  This course I'm keeping this one and I'm not gonna see it too
• 2:53:21
  much for a couple of reasons. One we see you guys have said
• 2:53:24
  and wonderful things and there's not much white and add to that
• 2:53:28
  and obviously the comments as well.
• 2:53:31
  We've had a lot of positivity for once in the comments there
• 2:53:33
  should have said a lot of what I want to see second reason being
• 2:53:36
  and you can go online. You can read what I've got a CMO
• 2:53:39
  this because in my blog that I did, For the 60th anniversary of
• 2:53:47
  our ranked, my 60, great stock 2 stories.
• 2:53:49
  This one came at number 56, And spoilers.
• 2:53:53
  There were two more stories on that list to come.
• 2:53:55
  Kaya. Welcome to those in June time.
• 2:53:57
  And yeah, closing time that much phraser.
• 2:54:01
  Well, if we're coming to that, and But yeah, I mean this this
• 2:54:06
  is just a certain sense that Sensational bit of drama.
• 2:54:10
  I think it's again it's it's really sophisticated.
• 2:54:13
  Its The atmosphere, it's not just the right and it's, it's
• 2:54:20
  the atmosphere to the direction. It's the set.
• 2:54:21
  It's the light in just All Odds to that atmosphere.
• 2:54:24
  It's in, you know what you talking about these travel
• 2:54:27
  lodges in In your body, it's the shine, and isn't it?
• 2:54:32
  It's The Shining hotel. It's the British version.
• 2:54:34
  So you could probably see why Big Orange.
• 2:54:36
  Michael doesn't like it because it's the British and basically,
• 2:54:40
  The Shining is the call so it's the atmosphere.
• 2:54:45
  It's got that, you know, as soon as you say that Carpet you
• 2:54:49
  immediately think in this is creepy.
• 2:54:51
  This is you know you've got remodel one writ large every
• 2:54:55
  room is wrong or someone who won and all trying to find that room
• 2:55:00
  and You've got the performances, you've got David.
• 2:55:05
  Walliams, I'm going to disagree with everyone.
• 2:55:06
  You know, David walliams is perfectly annoying in.
• 2:55:09
  This he is Bismillah. Awkward and annoying.
• 2:55:14
  But that's the point that is character, that's what it's
• 2:55:17
  supposed to be. And even Him and of our Quran is
• 2:55:22
  Rita, you know. Do come close to stealing the
• 2:55:25
  show at this but it is ultimately Matt Smith.
• 2:55:27
  I mean that scene where Matt Smith.
• 2:55:31
  Confronts David Williams character about his cowardice.
• 2:55:34
  Is just some another level. Just what I said earlier, on
• 2:55:38
  about them getting that anger, really self-contained and anger
• 2:55:41
  in the disgust that he is expressing towards that
• 2:55:46
  character without actually expressing.
• 2:55:48
  It is just next level and it's one of you know, Smith's famous
• 2:55:52
  scenes in For nothing else. And it's a bloody sequel to the
• 2:55:57
  horns. And I am on whoever thought will
• 2:55:59
  get a sequel of the horns and bloody name on and but again,
• 2:56:02
  not end in where you know, it's that end and it's killing the
• 2:56:07
  lake. The story before this one is
• 2:56:10
  kind of It give us a little nudge towards the fact that
• 2:56:15
  what's happening now with the ponds is too dangerous.
• 2:56:18
  There's a lot of cavalier attitude you see it in the curse
• 2:56:22
  of the black spot where Amy's go and we have an assault around in
• 2:56:25
  the Pirates we're going to have fun, you know it's this idea
• 2:56:28
  that they're born hygiene's is actually nothing of the sort,
• 2:56:32
  and it is really actually quite dangerous stuff and the catches
• 2:56:35
  up with them the story before this one and it Pushes them out
• 2:56:39
  the door. In this one.
• 2:56:40
  It's It's brilliant. It really is fully deserves to
• 2:56:43
  be one that we all agree on and going through.
• 2:56:45
  So just keep one more thing. Yeah, one more thing that nobody
• 2:56:49
  mentioned and that's the editing when the people are being
• 2:56:53
  Bewitched, you know, like when Rita's seeing praise him and
• 2:56:57
  then it cuts to her laughing and then back to the creepiest stuff
• 2:57:01
  and then back to her, it's That's very Twin Peaks, isn't it
• 2:57:05
  really affected? Oh just brilliant.
• 2:57:08
  Brilliant. Right?
• 2:57:10
  So you mentioned clothes in time, Joe.
• 2:57:12
  So we're gonna go there now that's gonna be mine.
• 2:57:15
  Next pick reason Bean. It's because it's another one of
• 2:57:18
  those ones. I'm really a little bit
• 2:57:19
  undecided on So it's the perfect one for me to see it.
• 2:57:23
  You guys, you know what, I can't really decide on this.
• 2:57:26
  You do it for us how lazy. Haha.
• 2:57:30
  I'm cool. Now I can do these things and
• 2:57:33
  Yeah, so again, there's bits. There's bits to like this bits
• 2:57:37
  to not like, you know, pile of good things pile about things.
• 2:57:39
  I could go either way with this one, you know, my natural
• 2:57:42
  instinct this to keep it because I am trying to the Damned but em
• 2:57:47
  what's, what's to like is again that more that um, Parenthood
• 2:57:54
  Motif coming through and this was out in 2011, I wasn't the
• 2:57:59
  father, then I became a father into 2012 and Joe, you'll know
• 2:58:03
  this anyone that's listening to our Stringers in Space, the
• 2:58:09
  island picks one or know that, you know I haven't had an easy
• 2:58:12
  way. I haven't really You know,
• 2:58:14
  believed in myself as a parent as much as others have in me.
• 2:58:17
  So watching it back again seeing and James corden's.
• 2:58:22
  Having nose doubts was very real.
• 2:58:25
  It was very and you know, quite quite home, a little bit and
• 2:58:32
  It's got the love conquers all ending, which, you know,
• 2:58:35
  everyone's gonna shit on unwell. But again, it kind of You know,
• 2:58:41
  it's the fact that he's, it's his kid that.
• 2:58:45
  It's not like love, it's these kid, it's the sun.
• 2:58:47
  It's the Sun that he struggled upon with, and struggle to feel
• 2:58:50
  adequate enough looking after that that's crying that brings
• 2:58:54
  them out of, you know, being a sabre man.
• 2:58:57
  Again that kind of lands a little bit differently for me
• 2:58:59
  than pops other people. But I mean no apologies for
• 2:59:03
  that. And On the on the flip side
• 2:59:05
  though it's it's just nothing much to it and it is probably
• 2:59:08
  what it's there to do. It's probably there to be just
• 2:59:11
  that little Bit of fluff that you something's get before.
• 2:59:14
  You see, for you, it is a bit like, the fear it is a bit like
• 2:59:17
  the, you know, the Boomtown or whatever, but it's just doesn't
• 2:59:22
  reach the heights of Boomtown and doesn't reach the depths of
• 2:59:25
  you know. But it's not a you talk.
• 2:59:27
  Yeah, you know. It's it's just a little bit in
• 2:59:31
  consequential all in all so Scotland and it which is always
• 2:59:34
  great, great fun but it misses that spark that The lodge had.
• 2:59:43
  it's obviously gather Roberts, you'll make him what you will
• 2:59:46
  and You know, he recycles a lot of these motifs a little bit
• 2:59:51
  better when it comes to the caretaker, you know, the idea.
• 2:59:54
  I'm the doctor, I've got a job. Oh look at me.
• 2:59:56
  Having a job is done, a lot better in sort of the car take
• 3:00:00
  other than it is here. And Again it's kind of rehashing
• 3:00:04
  a bit of the larger as well but without Sophie without that
• 3:00:08
  message behind it. So and I'm ambivalent it's a bit
• 3:00:11
  me, it's a little bit good, a little bit bad so let's go at
• 3:00:15
  the comments and then you guys can decide whether it's, you
• 3:00:17
  know, out. Jason Thompson says, closing
• 3:00:19
  time is a fun one and I love the newspaper mats.
• 3:00:22
  Great to see Linda and again, so the sidemen are alerting threat.
• 3:00:26
  And now hence much more effective than a whole Army of
• 3:00:30
  marching the streets. Crash dummy, says, closed and
• 3:00:33
  time has a terrible ending in James Corden right on the edge
• 3:00:37
  of becoming a blight on Humanity.
• 3:00:40
  But Smith is having such fun in the toy shop.
• 3:00:42
  The saber mats are brilliant. The saber meant look beautiful
• 3:00:45
  beautifully, Rusty and buttered Linda, bow and his delayed.
• 3:00:49
  So, on the balance, keep Daniel rules, Lee the launcher, 2 lost
• 3:00:54
  in Colchester. I actually don't mind a James
• 3:00:57
  Corden readouts, because he and Smith bounce off each other
• 3:00:59
  wonderfully, Dr. Whose version of two men and a baby but my god
• 3:01:04
  did the side men's sock in this. They're so stupid.
• 3:01:07
  You blew them up with love. Indeed, just yuck.
• 3:01:12
  Peter old, I will not have a word said against Gareth Roberts
• 3:01:15
  when it comes to writing scripts.
• 3:01:17
  This is lovely. Put aside the idea that the
• 3:01:20
  Cyber ship would teleport with department store though.
• 3:01:23
  At least there aren't any autons in the basement.
• 3:01:24
  It's the dialogue that makes this.
• 3:01:26
  It's the kind of script that makes you wonder what we might
• 3:01:29
  have had. If Douglas Adams had lived to
• 3:01:31
  contribute stories to new who oh god making a link between Gary
• 3:01:36
  followers and Douglas Adams, is he mad?
• 3:01:39
  Sorry, forgive me David Gillespie for a second.
• 3:01:42
  I genuinely thought Craig would be converted and was really to
• 3:01:45
  praise the Bold. Move to the power of love wins
• 3:01:48
  through, which frankly is bloody awful, the storm were getting
• 3:01:51
  stuff is horrifically. Unfunny Daniel, Knights another
• 3:01:55
  loveseats the ending, and another unfunny round of the
• 3:01:58
  doctor and Craig guest star. Linda Bowen is under used a
• 3:02:02
  common fault of The Moffat era and the plot of in the cyber men
• 3:02:05
  seemed Half Baked. Olguin.
• 3:02:08
  The double Feast. Oh, dear of Robertson should
• 3:02:12
  make clothes in time on watchable.
• 3:02:14
  Oh you'll be able to sit down Oliver but like the launcher,
• 3:02:18
  Matt Smith charm makes this work.
• 3:02:20
  Smith skill lies in convincing us that they usually absorbable
• 3:02:24
  off like called and is likeable, I can even live with the love
• 3:02:27
  saving all amazing. Final scene.
• 3:02:30
  John benzali. Shocking horror.
• 3:02:33
  All of its own Cybermen continued to get a raw deal in
• 3:02:36
  this crappy, larger sequel. Cordon's awful ditto, the
• 3:02:40
  schoolyard attempted humor, he Dr. And Craig are a couple Ditto
• 3:02:44
  the love conquers all ending. They tell he was gonna get shit
• 3:02:47
  on uninspired, boring and lazy daily.
• 3:02:50
  And last. But by no means least he's
• 3:02:54
  orange, he's called Michael. And is he big?
• 3:02:58
  We're assuming that he's big. Keep if only for the sequence,
• 3:03:01
  for the doctor talking to baby and storm again, I can't tell
• 3:03:05
  you how much I love that part. Thank you.
• 3:03:08
  Well, tell us George. Do you love the story or are you
• 3:03:11
  gonna put it in the lift, send it down at the baseman and Leave
• 3:03:15
  it, I get converted. I love two scenes in this
• 3:03:18
  episode, which makes this a terribly disappointed.
• 3:03:23
  It's equal to the larger which I really really enjoyed.
• 3:03:25
  I really like the scene where they're fighting that that cyber
• 3:03:30
  man that he literally come smashing through the window and
• 3:03:33
  they're fighting it and I could just see a story of sidemen
• 3:03:36
  going out to a load of kids at Christmas and turning into
• 3:03:39
  murderous rats and killing a load of people and it would be
• 3:03:41
  funny as hell. It's that sort of fine line
• 3:03:43
  between funny and scary crazy teeth.
• 3:03:46
  But the side of man's got that's really great and I do I love the
• 3:03:50
  big worries talking to the baby. It's massive me facts that
• 3:03:52
  beautiful in fact, frankly he acts with babies better than he
• 3:03:55
  does with adults. That's a really lovely scene.
• 3:03:58
  You don't like the kids in Moffat, but I think Matt Smith
• 3:04:00
  really works. Well, I don't mind babies.
• 3:04:02
  I just don't like any of it. They just hired Dreadful
• 3:04:05
  children, actors, and we'll get there in Noah terrors But the
• 3:04:10
  rest that is is yeah, it's it feels like a lazy follow-up to
• 3:04:14
  is, we did it really well. Before, let's try it again.
• 3:04:17
  It's like a Cyberman sitcom episode.
• 3:04:20
  So they what they hanging out at the Palm and store.
• 3:04:22
  What it just seemed like the worst side of me you've ever
• 3:04:26
  seen the love conquers. All ending is terrible.
• 3:04:29
  I know, I can understand as a parent that you might appreciate
• 3:04:33
  that. Ending, I am not a parent.
• 3:04:34
  So it just seems like a really Dreadful saccharine.
• 3:04:38
  Easy. Get out clause of an ending.
• 3:04:43
  Yeah. I mean we have much to say
• 3:04:45
  really, I don't think Linda Barron's all that great.
• 3:04:47
  Actually, I think she was better The First Time Around in Doctor
• 3:04:49
  Who and the second time, ran a Doctor Who as well.
• 3:04:51
  But here's what she's playing. Someone, who works in the
• 3:04:54
  department store. He thinks that Craig and the
• 3:04:55
  doctor are gay. Oh, hilarious getting a sickle
• 3:04:59
  immediately now. Yeah, not that King is it's just
• 3:05:02
  sort of really near, isn't it? It's not outright terrible, like
• 3:05:06
  so much of this season, but it's not that enjoyable to watch.
• 3:05:10
  So, two scenes are great. The rest is not great.
• 3:05:13
  Did it in. For Jewel.
• 3:05:17
  My oh. Well, remember how I said at the
• 3:05:22
  start of the episode, how what the story is, in my top, 60 for
• 3:05:26
  60, and one story is in, is in my bottle tip.
• 3:05:29
  My bottom 10 of all time, this is the top.
• 3:05:32
  This is one of Them. And so we've got the time event
• 3:05:37
  in in a realistic modern day. Recognizable surrounding in a
• 3:05:42
  situation where every day people could encounter them.
• 3:05:45
  We've got a returning, a returning character, who was,
• 3:05:49
  who was popular for my script from a scriptures, very popular
• 3:05:54
  with the fans from the previous year.
• 3:05:56
  It's built up there. So it's developed the character
• 3:05:59
  on rather than just be just being a retread of what went
• 3:06:04
  before. So naturally, this is going to
• 3:06:07
  get the bloody bear because it is awful.
• 3:06:11
  Hang on, hang on, hang on. This is going in the bin and not
• 3:06:14
  Nightmare and silver. What you mad, man?
• 3:06:17
  First, first of all, it's as you want one of the points you made
• 3:06:22
  is hahaha. The doctor and crane or a
• 3:06:26
  mistaken for a couple hahaha. Yeah, it feels like it.
• 3:06:29
  It would have been out a day in. I being served it just feels
• 3:06:32
  cringe, it feels how feels a little bit uncomfortable would
• 3:06:38
  you know, you are not there. That is true.
• 3:06:43
  That's true. But it's it's just it's just,
• 3:06:46
  it's a labored gagging, it's just what, then we have to
• 3:06:51
  always So basically that we have the sea the better.
• 3:06:55
  Oh it's nice that you and I was really watching this, that's
• 3:07:10
  actually thinking, you know, I remember when I was When the
• 3:07:14
  faceless ones came out on animation Blu-ray.
• 3:07:17
  I remember how the originally pitched us.
• 3:07:19
  The big stores again, Coming from that should have gone this
• 3:07:22
  way. So this gonna be brought back
• 3:07:24
  The Chameleons, and that kind of also give you a sort of possible
• 3:07:28
  answer to the. How does the doctor get out of
• 3:07:30
  this scenario? I was thinking more should have
• 3:07:33
  been on big finish. Should be one's own written
• 3:07:36
  scripts for big finish but carry on so so as you can.
• 3:07:39
  Yeah. So make the oh yeah.
• 3:07:41
  All tons would be too obvious for a department store.
• 3:07:44
  So yeah, there's talking baby. I talk.
• 3:07:47
  Baby is not funny. It gets away, it gets away with
• 3:07:51
  it in good man, goes to war because he's out, little this
• 3:07:54
  little little say, that little seam with rolling and it is also
• 3:07:57
  impossible in that doctor's taking them.
• 3:07:58
  Mickey, because he's saying things.
• 3:08:00
  So, Saying things which God are ripping on comments, Amy makes
• 3:08:04
  to him all the time, so it's he could be in.
• 3:08:06
  So he's making he's making himself, he's just making a
• 3:08:09
  joke. but it's just not funny and and again this the the power
• 3:08:18
  they powerful it could easily be If you want more so into
• 3:08:22
  exploration to go over is that because the side of their own
• 3:08:25
  power, it's broken down. The conversion process is
• 3:08:28
  working properly, and it's can't get.
• 3:08:31
  And that's why convert. That's why the conversion isn't
• 3:08:33
  always working. But these The conversion process
• 3:08:37
  just appears to be here you cosplay, aside about perhaps you
• 3:08:40
  grab some seeds, perhaps, reread, killing ground by
• 3:08:43
  Stephen Lyons and see, that's how conversion happens, not that
• 3:08:48
  you could get that on on Saturday night.
• 3:08:50
  Jesus Christ. No.
• 3:08:54
  But we get the tree, but we get into the body Horror in the
• 3:08:57
  rights to the side, but then they just steal and later more
• 3:09:00
  effectively involved up in time. So it feel it just feels off.
• 3:09:04
  And the only, there is that one scene which is seen him you
• 3:09:10
  mentioned, which is the Which is a bit.
• 3:09:13
  Well, he's talking to storm again, but he's talking to the
• 3:09:15
  baby and he gets to Stars round. That's a lovely little scene.
• 3:09:19
  And it feels the symbols about the gold complex.
• 3:09:22
  That little, the ending doesn't seems doesn't seem right with
• 3:09:26
  this story. It's he take away, Daisy had art
• 3:09:30
  and it's just because she said she wasn't she wasn't available,
• 3:09:33
  so he Loses one of the elements which made the launcher works so
• 3:09:38
  well. So, it's that was a bit of a
• 3:09:41
  scribble comedy. This seems to be there.
• 3:09:43
  Don't really don't We do have this idea of not so much
• 3:09:48
  parented, fatherhood in particular return to the season,
• 3:09:51
  and I will bring that up on it. Oh, well, it's obvious, which
• 3:09:54
  episode we're going to bring that up on but but here just
• 3:09:57
  feels a bit. Haha, we're doing this again and
• 3:10:00
  we just had a similar episode two episodes ago with a similar
• 3:10:03
  theme. So again, that's not this
• 3:10:05
  episode because they've switched to see but you could have put
• 3:10:08
  Closing Time anywhere and have Anywhere that made the companion
• 3:10:11
  light and double banged it with a different one because just
• 3:10:14
  have a gratuitous Cameo from Amy and Rory, for no real reason.
• 3:10:20
  So it's gonna get in the bin and this is this, this is Jose, this
• 3:10:24
  is in my bottom set. Right?
• 3:10:27
  Speaking of all, you've been served then James, are you free
• 3:10:29
  for this one? Hi free.
• 3:10:34
  He was water. I mean, it's just are you being
• 3:10:39
  converted? Yeah, I mean it would have been
• 3:10:45
  more, he sucked and it would be Molly sucked in rather than the
• 3:10:48
  baron. Oh, that would have been great,
• 3:10:50
  wouldn't it? Oh, you know, I mean, I even
• 3:10:53
  like her in come back and this is no.
• 3:10:56
  If I'm I mean yeah the the gay thing is just is out of place.
• 3:11:01
  It's just it shouldn't have been a joke in 2011 or whatever.
• 3:11:08
  The the scene where Matt Smith is talking to storm again.
• 3:11:11
  I mean, yeah, it's beautifully active.
• 3:11:13
  And you can see that there is a real talent there, it's just a
• 3:11:17
  shame. It's the baby.
• 3:11:17
  That's the real talent rather than that.
• 3:11:19
  It's just, I mean, but I agree with phrase, It's just so mad.
• 3:11:26
  I mean, there is just there's no real kind of positive to it,
• 3:11:31
  there's no real. Negative.
• 3:11:33
  I mean James Corden is a very decisive person.
• 3:11:36
  I know that that swings it for a lot of people, I don't buy the
• 3:11:41
  kind of the the sliding doors kind of conversion thing.
• 3:11:45
  And because I do actually feel it, is irrelevant point to make,
• 3:11:50
  how the hell did James Corden fit inside there and then come
• 3:11:54
  out again, unscathed. I mean that just is bizarre.
• 3:11:58
  Um, as people say it's just yet another Power of Love ending
• 3:12:03
  again, I'm not a parent. So I it doesn't hit me inside my
• 3:12:09
  way. He's just it's just there.
• 3:12:12
  It's as you say it's the treading water before the season
• 3:12:16
  finale, but that means we get that terrible ending which takes
• 3:12:20
  five minutes away from the actual plot, because we need to
• 3:12:24
  put the tag seen on, that doesn't kind of fit with the
• 3:12:27
  episode. Just yeah, I mean bin it because
• 3:12:31
  basically it's just boring. And we are unanimous in that.
• 3:12:36
  Yes. Right.
• 3:12:41
  That is Bend, then sure. I just ones up next.
• 3:12:45
  I like us back to the positive. If I met, let's do it.
• 3:12:49
  My favorite episode of season, I thought, I think it was gonna
• 3:12:52
  agree with me on this because I think it's a popular episode.
• 3:12:55
  But I think there's some contrary people on this call.
• 3:12:58
  Sorry. I'm gonna like it, but my
• 3:13:02
  favorite episode of the season and Easy, in my top three, maths
• 3:13:06
  is the doctor's wife. I just adore this episode.
• 3:13:12
  I think it's dark. It's playful.
• 3:13:14
  It's Insidious, it's imaginative.
• 3:13:17
  It's genuinely emotional. Is the stand out of this season
• 3:13:21
  bar, country mile. I think it's inventively
• 3:13:24
  directed so atmospherically, directed as well.
• 3:13:28
  Those shots, when they come out of the TARDIS with that, huge
• 3:13:31
  spaceship overhanging, the shots of the TARDIS graveyards, you
• 3:13:35
  know, all those cubes in in the in the thing or Screaming.
• 3:13:39
  It's just one banging visual after another and this episode.
• 3:13:43
  Yes. I think it's the best looking at
• 3:13:46
  but also because the idea is a really quirky.
• 3:13:49
  I think they've really gone to town on the visuals, surround
• 3:13:53
  Jones, what a find, what a find, what an Impossible role to play
• 3:13:58
  as a living embodiment of the TARDIS.
• 3:14:01
  And she is in turns quirky, funny, sexy, sweet commanding
• 3:14:06
  and outrageous. The way the dialogue suggests
• 3:14:12
  that the Tardis sees time in a non-linear way, the way that the
• 3:14:17
  episode structures her dialogue. So she's saying things from
• 3:14:20
  later in the F, it's just focus. The more you watch it, the more
• 3:14:24
  clever, it seems. I know there's a lot of gaming
• 3:14:26
  in here because I can see a lot of star dust and other things in
• 3:14:29
  there. But there is shit.
• 3:14:31
  Tons of Steven Moffat in here as well.
• 3:14:33
  I absolutely believe he took the last turn on the dialogue
• 3:14:36
  because there's a Polish. So, the dialogue on this, that
• 3:14:39
  screams of Moffitt Michael Sheena stuff, like that voice
• 3:14:43
  that deep, booming voice in the Tardis here.
• 3:14:46
  The gas cloud going around here. His avatars those people made up
• 3:14:50
  of bits of other people that woman with that big fat, hideous
• 3:14:55
  arm that belonged to the what was his name.
• 3:14:57
  Paul says, thank you very much for the big tattoo.
• 3:15:01
  Grizzly as hell. Lovely to see a nude.
• 3:15:04
  I mean any episode that covers the Tardis walls with kill.
• 3:15:08
  Amy die. Amy, fuck, you.
• 3:15:10
  Amy is bound to be. Got a deleted scene that one
• 3:15:14
  maybe not the last bit. I told you I'd found the perfect
• 3:15:19
  Doctor Who story for you when I showed you that clip one of the
• 3:15:21
  biggest problems with Amy poems is and it's not always the case,
• 3:15:26
  but the extreme moments like when the baby turns to go, and
• 3:15:29
  when she's in the Tardis being tortured here, it's Karen
• 3:15:31
  Gillan. Like Nicola Bryant in her area,
• 3:15:34
  it's so compelling. So convincing selling the horror
• 3:15:39
  of those situations. It actually pushes the show out
• 3:15:42
  of Kitty wigs drama into something a lot more unpleasant.
• 3:15:46
  And she's so great in those scenes like genuinely terrified.
• 3:15:50
  The bishop was rorys baldy, you know, he's screaming out and he
• 3:15:54
  turns into a corpse and she's she's Hysterical, it's amazingly
• 3:15:58
  good but mostly for the chemistry between Matt Smith and
• 3:16:02
  Surround Jones, I just buy it. I love it.
• 3:16:05
  I think they're really funny to get I I like how emotional it
• 3:16:10
  gets at the end when he lets a tear or throughout and says
• 3:16:13
  goodbye to her. I genuinely feel something.
• 3:16:16
  Yeah, I did this just nothing about this.
• 3:16:19
  That doesn't work for me. I remember when I watched this
• 3:16:21
  season, when it first went out and I was so unimpressed.
• 3:16:25
  If the first three and I was so happy when this one came around
• 3:16:29
  because I was like, yeah, they can still do it.
• 3:16:30
  This is the Dark Fantasy. This belongs in five, I think I
• 3:16:35
  don't think this belongs in six and I think it was gonna be in
• 3:16:38
  five. It was, and it was pushed
• 3:16:41
  forward to six, for whatever reason.
• 3:16:43
  I don't think in the finish the script on time, so, okay.
• 3:16:50
  He had to keep the the Tardis set that all extra year.
• 3:16:56
  I mean in ahead, I mean, it would have been perfect in five.
• 3:17:00
  Kick out those Dreadful Solo in episode.
• 3:17:02
  Just put this in map Bangor. I love what Dreadful Saloon
• 3:17:06
  episode. I can't remember.
• 3:17:07
  There was no Dreadful ones. Go back and listen to the season
• 3:17:10
  5 strictly one. You'll hear all about it.
• 3:17:12
  Anyway, I loved it. I loved every second of this.
• 3:17:14
  There's not a thing that doesn't work for me.
• 3:17:17
  I'll probably find out now for everybody else.
• 3:17:19
  Why this doesn't work, but I loved it there and I loved it on
• 3:17:23
  my rewatch now. Please, let's put it through.
• 3:17:27
  Well let's see if anyone in the comments then it's going to tell
• 3:17:30
  you why it doesn't work. We'll start with Jason Thompson.
• 3:17:32
  I love the doctor's wife even if all the stuff with Amy and worry
• 3:17:36
  running through the Taurus, Interiors obvious padding.
• 3:17:39
  Did you wish really hard? It's hilarious.
• 3:17:42
  Also love bringing back the Ood and the old console room, I just
• 3:17:45
  wish Moffat had thrown away the huge Central concept of actually
• 3:17:48
  being able to talk to the Tardis.
• 3:17:49
  So these unique circumstances, a few episodes later by having a
• 3:17:53
  holographic interface that allows characters converse with
• 3:17:55
  it. The doctor and let's go hit that
• 3:17:58
  in height. Rash.
• 3:18:00
  Tommy says, why is good but not great?
• 3:18:02
  Lifted by a great guest performance from Jones and the
• 3:18:04
  junkyard artists, it's memorable and enjoyable.
• 3:18:06
  So keep On essay, on hollandsworth here, he says,
• 3:18:11
  love the doctor's wife as it was something new and exciting.
• 3:18:13
  Oh, so sinked, we love you Dan. I genuinely do have and they're
• 3:18:17
  safe from Jack coyote, an interesting exploration of the
• 3:18:20
  doctors relationship with the Tardis.
• 3:18:21
  But again, it feels off killed her from the aims of the series
• 3:18:24
  other than just answering any old SOS call that comes their
• 3:18:27
  way. I don't know how much gaming is
• 3:18:29
  in here. This feels so much it coded.
• 3:18:31
  The man's obsessed with breaking down.
• 3:18:33
  A mythologizing. Every element of the showing
• 3:18:35
  including the doctor, don't we know it.
• 3:18:38
  We have just had something old, something new something
• 3:18:41
  borrowed, something blue. It's a shame Amy, and Rory,
• 3:18:44
  mainly get trapped, but they have some nice drama.
• 3:18:47
  Daniel wansley. Okay.
• 3:18:49
  I genuinely like this one, a love letter to the doctor, the
• 3:18:52
  Tardis in the show, in general, introducing such a simple idea,
• 3:18:55
  it's surprisingly never did it before.
• 3:18:57
  We capture some of that season 5 magic with weird and Wonderful,
• 3:19:01
  Grace notes guest stars and Stellar.
• 3:19:03
  Matt Smith, James Locke, I never really understood the reverence
• 3:19:06
  for the doctors wife, except it has a beginning, middle and end,
• 3:19:09
  and is essentially entertaining to watch.
• 3:19:11
  So I guess it stood out at the time.
• 3:19:14
  She's old. People old, if you do not
• 3:19:17
  thought this the best story of the series, you are just wrong.
• 3:19:20
  So such a clever idea, such brilliant acting from June's and
• 3:19:24
  Smith, such a good script for Neil Gaiman.
• 3:19:26
  What's not to like the fact that he said, Jones and Smith and not
• 3:19:30
  Smith and Jones. Oh yeah, I know, I did for
• 3:19:33
  years, the best of the season. So, I am right.
• 3:19:35
  Thanks Peter, David Gillespie Pratt.
• 3:19:37
  The Tardis becomes a person is a story that should not work, but
• 3:19:40
  it does and this lovely fairy tale, Matt Smith and Surround
• 3:19:43
  Jones, light up the screen. Daniel, Craig was on a say, Pure
• 3:19:47
  Fantasy with an enchantee performance by Saran. 6 has
• 3:19:51
  great chemistry with Matt Smith. The scenes of roaring aiming in
• 3:19:55
  the tallest corals come across as padding but are effectively
• 3:19:58
  done in a bit Grimm. Paul Quinn has fandom stopped
• 3:20:01
  wanking itself, dry over the doctor's wife, two or three
• 3:20:05
  scenes aside. It was always overrated,
• 3:20:06
  cut-price, Tim Burton, and sticks and ticks, and Surround
• 3:20:10
  Jones, cosplaying Helena Bonham. Carter the most overrated writer
• 3:20:14
  of his generation aping, the most over praised erector.
• 3:20:19
  John bensonia, this is well, didn't it?
• 3:20:22
  Whether or not this goes the same way as fear her on iPlayer
• 3:20:27
  remains to be seen but its own turns.
• 3:20:29
  It does boast some interesting Concepts.
• 3:20:31
  A good thing from Sir Andrews and some creepy Corridor
• 3:20:34
  mooching Of course, finally, Mr. Big Mr. Orange Mr. Michael one.
• 3:20:41
  Where I have to separate art from artists?
• 3:20:43
  A fun story? That was worth the wait.
• 3:20:45
  I probably should revisit it. So like the premiere hit all the
• 3:20:49
  right notes for this fan, even if it's probably not perfect,
• 3:20:52
  keep it. there we go, then James seeing hello or seeing goodbye.
• 3:21:01
  Um yeah, I mean the art and artists singing is very
• 3:21:05
  uncomfortable with this one. So I'm I'm actually gonna focus
• 3:21:10
  on the story. I'm you know because there's
• 3:21:11
  been nothing proven or anything at the time of recording.
• 3:21:16
  It's one of the ones where all the boxes say I should want to
• 3:21:19
  keep it. But it just doesn't work.
• 3:21:22
  Um, right? There's one big thing that I
• 3:21:26
  genuinely dislike is the whole. Oh, we're going outside the
• 3:21:29
  universe. What the no sorry just like and
• 3:21:33
  then we get that really wanky kind of oh, it's like a bubble
• 3:21:35
  on. It's not like a bubble.
• 3:21:36
  It's like, oh God. It's like that whole banana
• 3:21:38
  thing in the wibbly wobbly in time and space which was
• 3:21:41
  broadcast. At this time, the doctor is just
• 3:21:44
  Yeah, overly sexual with surround Jones and Matt Smith.
• 3:21:49
  Plays sexual playfulness about as well as 12 year old.
• 3:21:51
  Does that It's it's it's, it's slightly less painful than Ace
• 3:21:59
  trying to be sexual in cursive fenrich, but it's on that level
• 3:22:02
  for me is just embarrassing to watch.
• 3:22:04
  We've got yet again. Another character that's living
• 3:22:08
  life backwards. And again, that's kind of, you
• 3:22:10
  know, we got River Song. The doctor does it in the book
• 3:22:14
  nuclear time. Now I've got the Tar, this doing
• 3:22:16
  it, there's oh, it's time. Lord boxes, yay, let's have more
• 3:22:21
  time Lords. Okay, they aren't in there, but
• 3:22:24
  it's just like, you know, There's just so much and it
• 3:22:27
  should be really good. There's the Corrie balls of
• 3:22:29
  Doom. Yeah, that's obviously padding.
• 3:22:31
  As is most surround Jones. I think actually, in that
• 3:22:34
  costume it's just I, I want to like it, but as I say, I mean,
• 3:22:42
  I've said, yeah, is it trying to be Tim Burton?
• 3:22:43
  That's really unfortunate as well.
• 3:22:49
  The whole I stole you now. You know, the hardest thinking
• 3:22:53
  that's been pissed on by the name of the doctor.
• 3:22:55
  Um, this is like everything is about this story is sitting me
• 3:23:00
  being undone. And yeah, the I've got a note
• 3:23:06
  here that says, you know, at the time I felt it was very much
• 3:23:10
  like a virgin, You Adventure, just not written, as well as
• 3:23:14
  them. I don't know what it is about
• 3:23:17
  the story. I just feel as though it's a
• 3:23:20
  virgin You Adventure. I think it's kind of Christmas
• 3:23:21
  on a rational planet type thing. And of course, the other problem
• 3:23:26
  is, you know, we've talked about how more fat as stole and from
• 3:23:30
  interference and alien bodies. The word compassion, ring any
• 3:23:36
  bells? We've already had the sentient
• 3:23:37
  tasks. We had one in.
• 3:23:38
  Oh, my homies won from the Ultimate Universe Dimension
• 3:23:44
  Riders. You know, I mean this is not The
• 3:23:47
  new and bold thing that everyone said it was like, yeah, people
• 3:23:50
  who live through the Wilderness years.
• 3:23:51
  So they're not gonna mention those things in the new series
• 3:23:53
  know, but the problem is For someone who has been through
• 3:23:58
  that whole thing, it's not new and it's not bold and it's not
• 3:24:03
  invented, it's another carbon copy, you know?
• 3:24:07
  So lot of it James and the mafia.
• 3:24:09
  Yeah, no I'm painfully aware of that, you know, you know if we
• 3:24:15
  wanted another 90 Minute Podcast, I'm sure we'll get
• 3:24:20
  there. Yeah.
• 3:24:22
  So, I want to, like, I really wanted to like it.
• 3:24:26
  And like it I can't because there's got so many bits but
• 3:24:30
  nothing gelles. I mean, even the bit, we see all
• 3:24:37
  that wonderful mishmash one with the big ones that's more BS.
• 3:24:41
  Oh it's done. So well though those those
• 3:24:44
  weirdos those before, it's so weird, it's a piano.
• 3:24:47
  Yeah. Yeah, so unfortunately, it just
• 3:24:51
  doesn't work, it's one of these things where they've taken all
• 3:24:56
  of the right bits and assembled them in totally the wrong order,
• 3:24:59
  and unfortunately the minute much like the character
• 3:25:03
  assembled in the wrong order. Um, I hope you gotta see some
• 3:25:07
  sense. Well, I said, For there's three.
• 3:25:13
  Stories, which appeared in my top 64 on this series.
• 3:25:16
  Got complex came at number 56. The doctor's wife came at number
• 3:25:21
  40. Alright.
• 3:25:22
  It is a, yes, it is. A keeper for me.
• 3:25:25
  I think this is a wonderful story.
• 3:25:27
  It is obviously a hangover from Series 5, it has that Whimsy, it
• 3:25:32
  has that. And Fairy Tail.
• 3:25:36
  Aesthetic to it. And if nothing else it's lit and
• 3:25:40
  blues and greens, whereas the rest of the series is oranges
• 3:25:43
  and yellows. So it has a look of looks
• 3:25:47
  gorgeous for indoors. It really does.
• 3:25:49
  It's it looks like a Neil game and story.
• 3:25:52
  I know. I haven't seen Tim Burton but
• 3:25:53
  you look at it and you think this is a story which is written
• 3:25:57
  by Neil Gaiman, The, the sort of the costume design, you know,
• 3:26:01
  the characters of Uncle with their sort of You know, him
• 3:26:06
  French family, Asian sort of yeah uniform and so on and so
• 3:26:10
  forth. And the whole look of the
• 3:26:12
  junkyard, everything just looks like Anil game and story Neil
• 3:26:16
  Gaiman. We are separating art from
• 3:26:19
  Artisan mobile, do that whenever I podcast and He's an excellent
• 3:26:25
  writer. He's Took.
• 3:26:28
  A really simple idea. Yeah, I'm not read any of those
• 3:26:31
  stories James. So yeah.
• 3:26:33
  Yeah, this is this is just such a simple idea.
• 3:26:37
  You know what, the doctor gets to talk to the Tardis, the
• 3:26:41
  Tardis gets You know. Comes alive, and the dog gets to
• 3:26:44
  talk and but it's the things that kind of go on after that,
• 3:26:49
  you know, sort of the, the pointing out about the pool
• 3:26:52
  rather than the push of the door again.
• 3:26:54
  It's just you just think this is such a simple thing that's been
• 3:26:56
  in. Front of us the whole time.
• 3:26:59
  I know. It's, right.
• 3:26:59
  I always thought that Paul to open, literally just meant the
• 3:27:04
  cubby hole thing. It does it does.
• 3:27:06
  But, you know, let's go with it. Let's, you know, it's making a
• 3:27:10
  point. It's a very good point.
• 3:27:11
  So, the interplay, the, the dialogue between the doctor and
• 3:27:16
  Idris is just really special. And the people took me where I
• 3:27:22
  wanted to go. No, I always took you where you
• 3:27:24
  need it to be. Yeah.
• 3:27:26
  And the sort of B plot with, with Amy and Rory, in the, in
• 3:27:30
  the corridors, the sort of haunted house where, you know,
• 3:27:34
  We don't really get very many, very good villains in this
• 3:27:38
  series, you know, quite a few which are kind of, you know,
• 3:27:42
  like the the siren and the episode before, this isn't
• 3:27:45
  really a villain, you've got the kids coming up in and night
• 3:27:49
  terrors who isn't really available what the silence.
• 3:27:50
  We've got kovarian, we've got enough obviously.
• 3:27:53
  Yeah, but again, it's a great job, great complex and be
• 3:27:57
  written, for example. But we have an out and out,
• 3:28:00
  downright, billing of the week here, with, with house and
• 3:28:05
  Michael Sheen coming in and just doing some Voice work apps.
• 3:28:08
  Absolutely smashing out the park there and obviously sir Andrew
• 3:28:11
  Jones is the one that's that beats him in that, you know,
• 3:28:14
  such a performance as that artists come written.
• 3:28:17
  You know, by the time you get to the end and, you know, and she's
• 3:28:21
  there and about die. And, you know, I just wanted to
• 3:28:25
  see a one thing here and one thing only Hello.
• 3:28:28
  Oh that's just perfect. It's just such.
• 3:28:32
  Ah well George it is. It is in its there must meet his
• 3:28:37
  face as well. And again, you know he's he's
• 3:28:40
  really good as the doctor. So yeah, 100% keeper for this
• 3:28:44
  one but me Oh, which means Michael, then it's all Michael
• 3:28:48
  has Michael, you have the casting moves of power, and it
• 3:28:52
  is bad word. I just bear in mind, I am your
• 3:28:55
  Nemesis, Joe. You are, you are, you are?
• 3:28:57
  But I've thought to think that you're nice blow cat.
• 3:28:59
  Actually, so, and as I was saying one story, they wasn't.
• 3:29:08
  For it, it's not this one. Yes.
• 3:29:11
  Okay, yes, this one's going. This one's going through.
• 3:29:18
  It for very most of the points here have met have made suicide.
• 3:29:23
  I was going to make you both made so that they're all things
• 3:29:27
  which are quite like and it's The sort of.
• 3:29:32
  French Foreign Legion outfit. The uncle is wearing.
• 3:29:38
  A beautiful. Well that's a house is sort of
• 3:29:40
  like a little Fortress in the way of in house in the middle of
• 3:29:43
  nowhere Beyond. So I'm supposed to hit.
• 3:29:45
  Is this a, is this a And is this a little slow reference to be
• 3:29:51
  Jess. But Was just me overthinking,
• 3:29:55
  because it has to assemble. A defense out of bits and what
• 3:30:05
  bits and pieces of what's left. And so it might be or it could
• 3:30:09
  just be a coincidence that I'm breathing too much into both of
• 3:30:12
  your questions. Michael.
• 3:30:13
  Oh yes. it could be protests and it could be you overthinking it
• 3:30:17
  and there's just the and it's again it important shows how you
• 3:30:24
  use the time order to effectively the Doctor Who story
• 3:30:27
  The aren't actually in it. Yes, the presences implied and
• 3:30:31
  their presence. Is there an implied?
• 3:30:35
  And this case they're continued presence is implies and you can
• 3:30:39
  see that you can see the disappointment in that's with
• 3:30:42
  any. But not only just appoints a
• 3:30:45
  rage and sadness, we just empty but it's just left over boxes.
• 3:30:50
  and particularly sees, of course, Chemistry Between his
• 3:30:59
  amazing and He didn't I didn't tweak it a twig until she said,
• 3:31:04
  till she wrote till the reveal that.
• 3:31:05
  Oh yes, of course, it's not the ball.
• 3:31:08
  Which looking back at the earlier he said, she All the
• 3:31:11
  signs are there. So it is, well, these perfectly
• 3:31:14
  106 off the revealed. The trip should be obvious, but
• 3:31:18
  only obvious once it's happened and a good and And it should be
• 3:31:23
  built up subtly, and yeah. So there's a lot of Moffitt in
• 3:31:28
  the scripture. I'm thinking what is happening
• 3:31:29
  is Neil gaiman's. Turned in his story and mothers
• 3:31:32
  are. Ah, heck, that's not a, that's
• 3:31:34
  not a TV script. I've got to turn it into a TV
• 3:31:37
  script. That's a, that's a story.
• 3:31:38
  He's written. I've got to turn it into
• 3:31:40
  something film. About why did you do that with
• 3:31:42
  Nightmare and silver. Michael.
• 3:31:45
  Enough and a lot on his plate rather than the 50th talking of
• 3:31:54
  stories in my talks, in my 60 for 60.
• 3:31:57
  Yeah. Well spent but yes, okay, yes.
• 3:32:03
  And this course, I don't know, it's almost said could be a
• 3:32:08
  messaging because Doctor Who is full of running up and down
• 3:32:10
  corridors. So we have Amy, Amy, and Rory,
• 3:32:14
  being running up and down the colors of the TARDIS.
• 3:32:16
  And it's that strange that of bringing the threat into your
• 3:32:19
  safe, into your safe, into your safe Zone.
• 3:32:22
  And it's done much more effectively and much much.
• 3:32:26
  More comfortably is the right word because it isn't much more.
• 3:32:32
  Feels much better than having Perry go into the safe, the safe
• 3:32:37
  Center of this after that, after getting surgery and then being
• 3:32:40
  thrilled by the doctor. It the Target and yeah, it's the
• 3:32:46
  house is only did Tardis is now has this dangerous and once
• 3:32:50
  again you say it's putting it, it's doing a Hitchcock in
• 3:32:55
  putting the girl through hell. And in this case, it really
• 3:32:57
  works because guarantee will really sells it and fake and the
• 3:33:01
  fake Asian Roy and glue. snarling and rasping and utter
• 3:33:06
  heat content and despair is you know it's perfect it's really
• 3:33:11
  effective and a little bit and a little bit of a little bit of a
• 3:33:14
  prophetic to what's good to have in the second part of the season
• 3:33:16
  in a way and yes and where she just he just turns up and he's
• 3:33:21
  fine and She's just hates the visual relief this you know,
• 3:33:24
  because he had this, how the ponds actually work as a couple
• 3:33:27
  in these moments, just so soft and all that thinking, they
• 3:33:30
  actually work as a relationship. But yeah.
• 3:33:34
  So I have a relationship Partners where we are a bit like
• 3:33:40
  people. the sniper, this is They don't always sells a couple.
• 3:33:46
  And here they do and I do like the idea.
• 3:33:50
  Go for the cute ones at the top just looks raw.
• 3:33:52
  You Well, of course, that's before they blame him.
• 3:33:56
  So even and yes, it's and of course, voices, just again
• 3:34:03
  effective feeling, just you just just a voice.
• 3:34:06
  Although, at times, he does make me think of Hercules gripe thin
• 3:34:09
  from the Goon show. Oh, Nelly.
• 3:34:13
  It is hard to do it just for the voice.
• 3:34:15
  So, like, Gabriel Wolfe had it, didn't they?
• 3:34:16
  Yeah, Michael. And this And the Greek, the
• 3:34:21
  Green Eye blue is much more effective and creepy and scary
• 3:34:24
  than the red I do. so, Yeah, it's definitely information.
• 3:34:30
  Oh, you know, so mean that Smith earlier.
• 3:34:32
  Yeah, about him doing angry. I think he's best.
• 3:34:35
  Angry lion is in. This is when the target, the
• 3:34:39
  Tardis is sort of coming out of Idris and he goes to how you
• 3:34:43
  are. Just, so it's just delivered
• 3:34:47
  perfectly that line and the camera swooping around.
• 3:34:51
  It's fucking triumphant that same.
• 3:34:54
  Partner is a little disappointed that we didn't go to the old old
• 3:34:57
  Tardis sets where they get, well, they couldn't really keep
• 3:35:00
  him that long, you know, you. We got there.
• 3:35:06
  We did get there. We did.
• 3:35:08
  Yes. Wait, Alright, so that is eight
• 3:35:12
  stories down. Three to go.
• 3:35:14
  We have got a 50/50 split four have gone.
• 3:35:18
  Through for her, fell by the wayside.
• 3:35:20
  So to take this into this last hurdle.
• 3:35:23
  Three two, isn't it? No, not terrorist.
• 3:35:28
  Girl, quite a girl who waited and let's kill it.
• 3:35:31
  Oh, how did I forget about that one?
• 3:35:33
  Yes, of course James, where we going to go and kill Hitler or
• 3:35:41
  we gonna wait for a girl or have some Towers in the next.
• 3:35:44
  Oh, difficult. Because I saw one of those on
• 3:35:47
  and some kind of one of a bitch about I'm gonna resume my kind
• 3:35:53
  of me being me, and we'll go with that, kill Hitler.
• 3:35:59
  Because again, it continues my running theme of problems with
• 3:36:03
  Series 6. In that the continuity is just
• 3:36:07
  completely bugged by this episode.
• 3:36:10
  Um, so at the end of The Impossible, from all the Moon,
• 3:36:16
  River also it's like the child because I don't know.
• 3:36:20
  It's River was in 1969, New York.
• 3:36:25
  Having seen me survived on the streets for six months or
• 3:36:29
  something, which is in itself, a whole other issue.
• 3:36:33
  And then suddenly she's in England in a primary school,
• 3:36:38
  still a child. and, I just do not understand what happened in
• 3:36:47
  the intervening years. so kind of like, you know, there's this
• 3:36:50
  whole big problem, off-screen that somehow we've got to get
• 3:36:54
  from well, we don't actually know what the child who the
• 3:36:58
  child regenerates into So I mean is the implication that they
• 3:37:03
  regenerate into an adult, so they can travel to England and
• 3:37:07
  then they somehow regenerate back into a child.
• 3:37:09
  So they end up in a primary school because that was meals at
• 3:37:13
  the end of The Impossible, Astronaut, isn't it?
• 3:37:15
  That's not supposed to be male's.
• 3:37:16
  Oh no. Was that white girl, I can't
• 3:37:19
  remember. It's the same girl from the the
• 3:37:23
  astronauts, the one that kind of didn't get shot because, but
• 3:37:25
  River Mist, like males is a personal.
• 3:37:29
  Yeah. Oh, sorry, confusing.
• 3:37:32
  Yes. So, say there is this literally
• 3:37:34
  like this, like, 30 year Gap. which, Apparently we have to
• 3:37:40
  completely ignore. For the story to make sense.
• 3:37:45
  Um, big fish box set. A big thing is child actors.
• 3:37:50
  Um they're usually adults James. Yeah, that's that's what I mean.
• 3:37:55
  Yeah. Um and just I mean it is, I
• 3:37:59
  found it grossly offensive the whole kind of you know, the the
• 3:38:03
  speech that River does out, I was on my way to the bar mitzvah
• 3:38:07
  and everything and it just like, oh god, really just Someone
• 3:38:13
  takes the typewriter away from Moffat, please just, yeah, he
• 3:38:18
  doesn't have a filter. And the trouble is there, is
• 3:38:21
  seemingly something or someone at the BBC?
• 3:38:25
  Where it's like, oh it's not like he can just write it and
• 3:38:27
  we'll trust it and don't ever seem to fucking learn something
• 3:38:31
  after that taste. The scene we get the creamation
• 3:38:34
  Fiasco. We get just like oh, um, The,
• 3:38:39
  the kind of, like, you know, there's a couple of nice bits
• 3:38:41
  like the hardest crashing into the so the Disco the Guitar Hero
• 3:38:47
  headquarters, you know? but, And it's like getting like,
• 3:38:52
  oh so hold on. The gun can actually damage the
• 3:38:55
  central column thing. And that fills the Tardis with
• 3:39:01
  gas and and then we get the doctor talking to the Tardis.
• 3:39:05
  Um yeah. And then he does a perk tree,
• 3:39:09
  you know, poetry kind of in between front and space and plan
• 3:39:13
  for the dialects even though he's dying from lack of oxygen
• 3:39:16
  or whatever takes time to change his outfit and then we get the
• 3:39:19
  Sonic walking stick. It's almost as bad as the bloody
• 3:39:21
  Sonic suitcase in farting time. Just like, oh, everything about
• 3:39:28
  this is kind of like, yeah. It's everything.
• 3:39:30
  He's like the box to take to say, how can we write something
• 3:39:34
  that is just gonna be chronically?
• 3:39:36
  Awful? you know, um, and again, strange
• 3:39:41
  enough, there's this kind of In Christmas on the rational planet
• 3:39:45
  where you've got roles who plans to shoot someone because they
• 3:39:48
  she thinks they're the ancestor of Abraham Lincoln.
• 3:39:51
  So basically kind of like that threat to the web of time or
• 3:39:55
  someone the doctor it's like yeah, they do that thing in the
• 3:39:59
  field and yeah, it's just rather convenient that it's the right
• 3:40:04
  doctor that turns up its everything about this episode is
• 3:40:12
  wrong, even down to the clickbait title, which I really
• 3:40:16
  object to There is just nothing about this episode that works.
• 3:40:25
  It's not. As bad as some other ones purely
• 3:40:30
  because there are kind of like some nice visuals.
• 3:40:32
  And yeah, you've got the the test selector thing again.
• 3:40:37
  It's just like but please, can we stop bringing Hitler into
• 3:40:42
  doctor. I mean, what is there?
• 3:40:44
  There's there's time where Max Exodus there's shadow in the
• 3:40:49
  glass. Every fucking Sci-Fi series does
• 3:40:52
  Hitler as something. This is the worst though.
• 3:40:54
  Rick Ross, does it three times. Yeah.
• 3:40:57
  Um so yeah, just being it because it's just tackless.
• 3:41:01
  It's tasteless its crude it's awful.
• 3:41:07
  You are right. You know, the time I saw you are
• 3:41:09
  right. That's the point.
• 3:41:10
  Where are we realized? No one sentence for this.
• 3:41:12
  Yeah. When I saw Doctor Who will
• 3:41:14
  return with, let's kill Hitler. Yes I oh boy this season.
• 3:41:20
  I came back. Yeah.
• 3:41:23
  Right, let's see if our comments are going to kill this.
• 3:41:26
  Mate. Go for it.
• 3:41:29
  Jason Thompson says, let's kill Hitler.
• 3:41:31
  Oh dear lord, the Third Reich is not a place to put a Moffat
• 3:41:35
  timey, wimey joke, this. So we go right to hit this
• 3:41:38
  office and reduce him to a joke about Rory shoving him in a
• 3:41:41
  cupboard. So we can get on with the main
• 3:41:42
  bit of Alex. Kingston making jokes about her
• 3:41:46
  ass. Bloody hell.
• 3:41:49
  Crushed me, let's kill. Hitler is Dyer.
• 3:41:52
  The only episode of whoever turned off halfway through and
• 3:41:55
  never Revisited. The point Moffat Finally,
• 3:41:58
  Revealed he has no plans or coherent Vision, just the shit
• 3:42:01
  against the wall and calling, it clever than a year of the new
• 3:42:04
  series until series name comes along.
• 3:42:06
  Dad Hollingsworth Lowe Hitler Mills?
• 3:42:11
  No, top level worst, kind of Monterey here, can we please
• 3:42:16
  have some entertaining Adventures?
• 3:42:19
  Chuck Koya. The beginning is obviously
• 3:42:22
  Dreadful and what of Amy will be been doing since the trauma
• 3:42:25
  having their baby still in front of them.
• 3:42:26
  And it's actually, you have a song and to the doctor of
• 3:42:29
  seemingly abandoned them. Never mind.
• 3:42:31
  Let's get on with a bump Alex. Kingston's forced to do an
• 3:42:35
  embarrassing teenage dick and where is Mel's beaten this whole
• 3:42:38
  time should the Nazis be used as a got just that we can get to
• 3:42:41
  the real story? This silence stuff is starting
• 3:42:44
  to get a bit tiring and abandoning the idea of saving
• 3:42:46
  Melody is quite selfish. Or smaller says terrible title.
• 3:42:50
  Pretty terrible episode. Daniel wansley.
• 3:42:55
  October in a tux, pull Action, Hero, Rory, and for all the
• 3:42:58
  sexy, waxy sure. You're not against with River,
• 3:43:00
  some of her scenes work. Well here.
• 3:43:03
  But locking a fascist in a Cupboard and forgetting about
• 3:43:06
  him in favor of more River recapping in the third rake is
• 3:43:10
  quite the metaphor for this story, please.
• 3:43:12
  Oh, so let's kill, let's kill Hitler.
• 3:43:15
  If it feels like a bunch of explanations all squashed into
• 3:43:18
  one story to make it work. I refer the honourable gentleman
• 3:43:22
  to the ark is too convoluted for the knot.
• 3:43:25
  We to follow comment, I gave him a moment ago.
• 3:43:29
  David Gillespie Pratt says, I don't know if this is a work of
• 3:43:31
  Genius, a half-wit. Oh, Sneaking a river song,
• 3:43:36
  origin story, when you've been promoting a Hitler till it's
• 3:43:38
  quite bold. But the Han weave in a way.
• 3:43:41
  So many emotional Beats from the ponds is unforgivable.
• 3:43:44
  Daniel Knight, I can't decide if this is a glorious fun romp or
• 3:43:47
  an absolute best, probably both. Incidentally, this is the first
• 3:43:51
  episode of my brother-in-law watched and the last Bulk win
• 3:43:57
  the raccoon in of Mel's is dogshit and does not provide
• 3:44:01
  emotional closure to the melody. Plot line.
• 3:44:04
  I'm sure I'm off. It says it does.
• 3:44:06
  But mathematics performance. When the doctor is down, is
• 3:44:08
  phenomenal. It's a tremendous physical
• 3:44:11
  performance with great heart, John bensalah, AKA The River
• 3:44:15
  Song show continuing the pretentious buckets.
• 3:44:17
  Bollocks, this smug. Self-indulgent mess should be
• 3:44:20
  locked in a Cupboard Smith. And Kingston Lurch around like
• 3:44:23
  two drugs that are wedding. Males is awful Amy.
• 3:44:27
  And Rory at like, nothing has happened Solace and rotten to
• 3:44:30
  the Core. He's big, he's Michael.
• 3:44:36
  Matt Smith gives a dynamite performance.
• 3:44:38
  The story works well enough though we can see Moffat
• 3:44:42
  becoming overly complicated here.
• 3:44:44
  That's still like it. Keep it.
• 3:44:47
  Easter one person was pleased with this year, isn't he?
• 3:44:50
  Yeah, I'm glad he's here. Yeah, we need them for the
• 3:44:54
  balance. So Michael Michael.
• 3:44:57
  Killen Hitler. or looking, but oh, that's been examinations of
• 3:45:05
  Doctor Who meets Hitler before it's done in old style in time
• 3:45:11
  will exists and it's and we have something perhaps a little more
• 3:45:15
  interesting in the shadow of the glass, which was but, You waste
• 3:45:23
  the upcoming potential. Good idea.
• 3:45:25
  But good idea, we could even Explore that all Paradox of
• 3:45:28
  would you kill? Would you, if you were a time
• 3:45:30
  travel? Would you kill us a baby?
• 3:45:32
  Well, no, because there's a baby, a be far too short to kill
• 3:45:34
  it but you know, the big companies you with that and then
• 3:45:39
  it wastes. It wastes this element.
• 3:45:42
  So it might and why just, why doesn't she send the tiles back
• 3:45:45
  to when Hitler's a baby, or why don't you go to the top to the
• 3:45:50
  to the third eye when he's minions around him?
• 3:45:55
  That's a strange. so that's strange logic there and it The
• 3:45:59
  little rear a little recap of of Mel's and school, just when I
• 3:46:04
  was watching it, maybe go all the time we go.
• 3:46:05
  Oh that's all right there. And there's some, there's some,
• 3:46:13
  there's some good direction this, particularly the bits in
• 3:46:16
  the Tesla to the antibody's. and, As James was saying, yes,
• 3:46:23
  the whole I was on my way to a gay gypsy wedding for the to
• 3:46:26
  say, but that's for the way. I was thinking that that's where
• 3:46:29
  I was thinking I suddenly turned into Christopher that needs to
• 3:46:33
  go out of the first draft line. Look at no Okay, that I also
• 3:46:40
  went to bed. Christopher Ridge, bid me to
• 3:46:42
  think it's angle, it's a tardis which could infinitely show.
• 3:46:45
  You infinitely change. And yet it gets a bit of glass
• 3:46:47
  gets the Does Moffitt think the actual center of the call is
• 3:46:52
  made from plastic. And that's why we punched by a,
• 3:46:54
  by a, by a bullet. Is it a special?
• 3:46:57
  is it supposed to be some kind of Silenced gun.
• 3:47:01
  Which they she somehow got on herself from For from, from her,
• 3:47:08
  from the front of the from the side and sew and smoke.
• 3:47:10
  All the cross have the science bought Mel's across the England,
• 3:47:14
  know it. No, knowing that at some point
• 3:47:16
  upon the pond is that maybe Palms gonna meet the doctor.
• 3:47:20
  So they put their to set that emotion.
• 3:47:23
  And we see little Amy Pond. Bullying, Rory constantly I mean
• 3:47:30
  that's how she grows up. So fair enough.
• 3:47:33
  Well, it's even more. It's even, it's even, but it's
• 3:47:36
  even more and more gracious because it's watching little
• 3:47:41
  kids. And to be fair, he's this
• 3:47:44
  occasion. This little brood is actually
• 3:47:45
  pretty well acted. So I think that's probably makes
• 3:47:49
  it worse. Is, you've got to feel sorry for
• 3:47:51
  a Little Rock, Little Rock. Another weird offhand gay joke
• 3:47:56
  because well there's a lot of them this year.
• 3:47:58
  Yeah that was my other Christopher moments.
• 3:48:03
  But so as you know, yes yes this one that I'm putting this one in
• 3:48:06
  the bed and you it's but on the whole it's not really a story.
• 3:48:11
  It's a I need to get from A to B so that episode that Middle
• 3:48:16
  episode of flux where you have to kind of get them, we get them
• 3:48:19
  to the Village of the angels and where they've been, it's like I
• 3:48:22
  need to get from A, to B, for A to B, but it's not.
• 3:48:24
  How can I do this as a story? I just do.
• 3:48:30
  That's a germinate, but then go and do a completely different
• 3:48:33
  story. So it gonna be set anywhere, why
• 3:48:34
  not say oh I want to save Trotsky, or something like that
• 3:48:37
  or Oh yeah, we'll do that. Strange New Avengers thing where
• 3:48:42
  they It's just really going. It's not really a story.
• 3:48:48
  It's a it's a serious plot points to get from A to B.
• 3:48:50
  It's yeah. It's been in by my little bin by
• 3:48:55
  James and let me tell you the three reasons why I want a bin
• 3:48:59
  this Number one. is the Resolution of the Cliffhanger
• 3:49:07
  from the previous story because this is the follow-up from this.
• 3:49:10
  We have got Amy pawn store, I've been turned to go.
• 3:49:13
  We have got the baby being stolen.
• 3:49:15
  We have got the doctor realized in the baby's River Song.
• 3:49:17
  See it? I am going to find your baby and
• 3:49:19
  everything is gonna be fine, and it resolved in this episode in.
• 3:49:24
  Absolutely no way shape or form. It is just things, I think
• 3:49:30
  Moffat Moffat does this with these two parties?
• 3:49:32
  He starts off really well in empty child in the doctor
• 3:49:35
  dances, the the resolution of that Cliff Hanger, where the
• 3:49:39
  doctor just stands and goes go to your room is one of the best
• 3:49:41
  resolution of a cliffhanger. Whatever heard in Doctor Who You
• 3:49:45
  get to this point where as I've said impossible, I should not
• 3:49:48
  and Dave the food. It's just too completely
• 3:49:50
  different stories. You could look at this as a
• 3:49:52
  two-part and it would be exactly the same.
• 3:49:55
  It's just There's just nothing there.
• 3:49:57
  It's It needed to be addressed, it needed to be addressed a lot
• 3:50:01
  more than just with a couple of lines of.
• 3:50:03
  Oh you know she goes up to be whatever, you know, she's
• 3:50:05
  fighting it, needed an actual Proper sit down conversation
• 3:50:10
  between these characters, something needed to happen to
• 3:50:13
  make this this better. Reason to Mel's.
• 3:50:18
  I mean, come on. Stephen, moffatt is a fantastic
• 3:50:23
  plotter. Any drops account are in that
• 3:50:26
  we've never met before and expect us to fully understand
• 3:50:29
  that gives us a few little plush backs and he expects us to go.
• 3:50:32
  All right? So this is Amy will always best
• 3:50:34
  friend. Person that they named the
• 3:50:37
  daughter after that we have never heard of before.
• 3:50:42
  No, come on. You are better than this, you
• 3:50:44
  know, Chris chip Mill can see the Timeless child in early
• 3:50:49
  seasons. Why can't you see Mel's?
• 3:50:51
  Why can't Mel's be? You know, in why can't Mel's be
• 3:50:57
  popping up mentioned in other You know, series other stories.
• 3:51:02
  It's just it. It's we'll talk about good
• 3:51:08
  mangoes award. We talk about putting this team
• 3:51:09
  together and it's still a lot of team of strangers, you know,
• 3:51:13
  fine. Well, if that was an RTD doing
• 3:51:14
  that, it would be people that we already know and met.
• 3:51:17
  It would be like some Jackie. He does it in stool on Earth,
• 3:51:21
  you know? Jackie and Seth Jane, You Know,
• 3:51:25
  Jack, you know you those characters were there Moffat is
• 3:51:29
  just you know dropping things in left right?
• 3:51:31
  And sent them and expecting us to just be like playing with
• 3:51:34
  well, I apologize. But I'm not I really don't like
• 3:51:37
  males because males becomes River Song.
• 3:51:40
  Number three, River bloody song. I Really really kind of get away
• 3:51:47
  with River Song at the best of times.
• 3:51:49
  And this is where she's at her very very worst.
• 3:51:53
  She isn't it. Yeah.
• 3:51:55
  Of smokiness. She is impossibly insufferably.
• 3:52:01
  just, So, cringe worthy smoke, and just unbearable.
• 3:52:12
  Except. The point.
• 3:52:17
  This is my total moment. I watched this. not long after
• 3:52:23
  watching Silence in the library, we watching that The first time
• 3:52:28
  in a while. And you go and you watch with a
• 3:52:32
  song, and let's kill Hitler in your watch with a song in the
• 3:52:35
  library to partner and you see the difference.
• 3:52:38
  You see the difference? The doctor makes in Renaissance
• 3:52:42
  life. How she starts off as an
• 3:52:45
  absolute Arsenal and gets to less of an asshole.
• 3:52:49
  By the end of it because this sufferable, at the end.
• 3:52:53
  Yes. Is she?
• 3:52:54
  Yes, insufferable after this? Yes, sir.
• 3:52:57
  Yes. Absolutely.
• 3:52:59
  Do it. Go and watch this, or do it the
• 3:53:01
  other way. Oh, that again would watch
• 3:53:04
  silence in the library. Go watch.
• 3:53:05
  Let's go hit a compare, those River songs.
• 3:53:09
  Compare the river song that sits in that chair with the doctor,
• 3:53:12
  you know, handcuffed to sacrifice herself with the river
• 3:53:15
  song that is probably smug. Deliberately is still
• 3:53:20
  insufferably smug. I want to watch it.
• 3:53:22
  It is but that's the point. It's the song's origin story.
• 3:53:27
  It's like Doctor Who in underneath the child where we
• 3:53:30
  see. Oh yes.
• 3:53:31
  He's an awesome one and still people's.
• 3:53:33
  But that's before I didn't and Barbara work.
• 3:53:35
  Their magic sauce is before The doctor gets.
• 3:53:41
  To do with us. So then I started looking at the
• 3:53:43
  rest of the story. I think in, what is the three
• 3:53:46
  reasons I'm going to keep this? Right?
• 3:53:49
  So that's number one. It's because this is the first
• 3:53:54
  River Song. And now the first River Song
• 3:53:57
  first time River Song meets the doctor should be the last time,
• 3:54:00
  the doctor meets with a song That's how it should work.
• 3:54:03
  This should be the last time we see River.
• 3:54:05
  Unfortunately, it's not, but that's not the fault of this.
• 3:54:08
  If you looked at this as the very last River Song story ever
• 3:54:11
  and I wouldn't wish husbands of river song we from anyone
• 3:54:14
  because that is probably the best episode, she's in and you
• 3:54:19
  know, this works so well as her first Meeting with the doctor
• 3:54:24
  that does last meeting with her. other things, I really like
• 3:54:28
  about this in, it does feel quite rompy, as it were, we've
• 3:54:35
  got a series, which is full of drama full of You know, quite
• 3:54:38
  sweaty episodes. So to have one that is a little
• 3:54:42
  bit more fresh and a little bit more Zippy and a little bit more
• 3:54:45
  fun. For one of a better word is
• 3:54:47
  really quite refreshing and putting Hitler in the cupboard.
• 3:54:50
  I mean, what else are you gonna do with Hitler?
• 3:54:52
  You can't really do touch it, you just don't touch it.
• 3:54:56
  If you're gonna you do, you do what?
• 3:54:58
  Moffat's done here and you just go right there, sit that and
• 3:55:00
  we're just gonna lit metaphorically and literally put
• 3:55:03
  them to one side. Then we'll never talk about them
• 3:55:06
  again. That's that's the clever way to
• 3:55:08
  do with that and the scene. You think that's clever, the
• 3:55:11
  scene with River and the doctor where the, you know, whatever's
• 3:55:16
  trying to get the gun. I think up weaks really well as
• 3:55:17
  well, that was very sure. Lockie top was back to 11th hour
• 3:55:20
  when you have that sort of come my work of the camera.
• 3:55:23
  Following you know, the doctor's point of view and seeing what we
• 3:55:28
  looking at prison as you were, the eclipse so that was was
• 3:55:33
  really quite entertaining and then you get the scene in the
• 3:55:36
  Tardis with the The Hologram interface and Thompson was like,
• 3:55:42
  but never mind. And You know, getting those
• 3:55:46
  companions up and having the doctor reactant to all these
• 3:55:48
  people whose lives, he's essentially booked over.
• 3:55:51
  You know, just get me someone. I haven't fucked over yet and
• 3:55:53
  it's little Amy and was really, really powerful and effective
• 3:55:58
  but not more than those last 20 minutes where he's dying and he
• 3:56:02
  knows he's dying and it's basically 20 minutes to convince
• 3:56:05
  River Song. A series Life which you know,
• 3:56:08
  Matt Smith puts everything into that and it comes off really
• 3:56:12
  really well in the end. So and yeah I actually quite
• 3:56:16
  enjoyed this. The last time I watched it on
• 3:56:18
  the basis of Finally kind of getting where it fits in with,
• 3:56:22
  with songs timeline. So it's a keeper for me.
• 3:56:27
  Don't tell me I'm wrong. You're wrong.
• 3:56:29
  Yes, very wrong. I don't think you really mean
• 3:56:33
  that. I think the real you would want
• 3:56:36
  to have been this but you're just bring us some positivity to
• 3:56:39
  the episode know, 100% 100%. This was my Todd movement, I kid
• 3:56:43
  you not, it wasn't watching it for this.
• 3:56:45
  I think it was watching it when like I would do in it.
• 3:56:49
  You know, I'll listen to that episode on.
• 3:56:51
  I thought You know, maybe there's more to this.
• 3:56:53
  So I went and watched it, but it was not long after I watched the
• 3:56:57
  silence in the library and for another reason, I don't was to
• 3:57:01
  be here. Look at it with Here possibly.
• 3:57:04
  Yeah and possibly. So you know, having watched
• 3:57:08
  because that's another one, I wasn't really a big fan of so I
• 3:57:11
  heard someone do a podcast and I went and watched that again,
• 3:57:13
  thought, okay. And then it just twigged it just
• 3:57:16
  clicked. It was just like this is this is
• 3:57:19
  The river at the start, I've revert, the end in the library
• 3:57:22
  at all. Yeah, she's still quite
• 3:57:25
  annoying. Is nowhere near.
• 3:57:27
  As bad as smoke is irritating, is the river we get here which
• 3:57:32
  is the very start you know, work backwards.
• 3:57:36
  Through her tag name or forwards or whichever way it is, and you
• 3:57:40
  can see that progression. So 100%.
• 3:57:42
  I'm generally not just You know, trying to do with odd and shake
• 3:57:46
  things up a bit. This is generally generally my
• 3:57:49
  my view on the story was scared in the bed anyway.
• 3:57:52
  Oh, he's here. Almost as much as the wedding of
• 3:57:57
  River Song, not quite as much as that because I send in the
• 3:58:01
  season, but boy the most smug self-satisfied pleased with
• 3:58:06
  itself episode there ever was. Yeah, and it's just one one
• 3:58:10
  moment I want to concentrate on. It's a bit where River songs on
• 3:58:13
  that bike with those guns. Talking about a tits, and I'm
• 3:58:18
  just like, when did Doctor Who ever become this?
• 3:58:20
  Fucking bulshit. It's crass.
• 3:58:23
  It's boiled down to the least. Intelligible television, you
• 3:58:27
  could possibly watch. It's just hideous.
• 3:58:30
  The bit of the end where Matt Smith is poisoned.
• 3:58:33
  He literally is acting that scene like the the embarrassing
• 3:58:37
  drunk uncle at the party. It is hideous acting.
• 3:58:40
  I watched through my fingers watching him do those things.
• 3:58:44
  I thought of opinions were available kids at home, oh, but
• 3:58:47
  they're not right. Introducing the horribly obvious
• 3:58:51
  girl for the season the second you go into real, life was all.
• 3:58:56
  About. It's very obvious where the
• 3:58:57
  season is heading. So I again at the start of the
• 3:59:00
  second half of the season with spoiling the end of the season.
• 3:59:03
  Oh, just hideous. I mean, I don't want to go on.
• 3:59:06
  I just, I just find this intolerable, this episode, it's
• 3:59:11
  Moffat RIT large from me. Brass terrible jokes awful
• 3:59:17
  sitcom dialogue. Unrealistic characters hideously
• 3:59:22
  complicated nonsensical Arc, it's everything.
• 3:59:26
  I hate about his doctor bin bin and Sapphire to it.
• 3:59:34
  So you don't like it. Okay, I don't know.
• 3:59:38
  Well, I'll tell you what, then you go next.
• 3:59:40
  You to pick from? Yep.
• 3:59:42
  Oh, okay. You've got night terrors and
• 3:59:44
  you've got the girl who waited. So go on and cleanse your
• 3:59:47
  palette. All right, let's talk about the
• 3:59:50
  girl who waited. Let's I don't like it and I
• 3:59:54
  think a lot of people do like this and I'm kind of choosing
• 3:59:57
  this one because I'm hoping, you'll put it through because
• 3:59:59
  it's quite popular. I think it's too clinical.
• 4:00:03
  I think it's very manipulative and I think it's quite
• 4:00:06
  unpleasant in places as well. Mostly, I don't like it because
• 4:00:11
  I think Karen Gillian is vacant for out the entire episode.
• 4:00:15
  I'll never once believed that she's the older aiming to start
• 4:00:19
  the fact for once. They give her a fairly subtle
• 4:00:21
  aged makeup, you know, I'm like, Clara and last Christmas or the
• 4:00:26
  doctor with a Dockside. She quite well done.
• 4:00:29
  Fuck, she's under playing this. I, I really think Karen goes too
• 4:00:34
  ways with emotional things. She even just has a sort of
• 4:00:38
  Blank look on her face and I just can't buy into the
• 4:00:41
  emotions. She's feeling at all or she just
• 4:00:43
  goes for it and she spends this whole episode.
• 4:00:46
  Sleepwalking people are raving about her in the comments saying
• 4:00:50
  my God, you know, a performance worthy of a movie.
• 4:00:54
  I'm so bored. Watching her, um, yes, I just, I
• 4:00:58
  don't get it. I don't get what everybody is
• 4:01:00
  seeing in their performance in this because I just don't buy
• 4:01:03
  it. And as a result younger, Amy
• 4:01:06
  isn't particularly interesting this.
• 4:01:07
  However, like how you supposed to react to an older version of
• 4:01:10
  yourself, it's a very strange situation to be in I don't like
• 4:01:14
  the look at this episode as well.
• 4:01:16
  I think that weird sort of CGI guard and looks terribly fake.
• 4:01:21
  I think the the Insight, the Interiors sort of white
• 4:01:25
  Interiors, it just feels like you're in a very cheap Star
• 4:01:28
  Trek. Say, if I'm Raves about this
• 4:01:30
  looks as well, I just think it looks very cheap those robots.
• 4:01:33
  So Plumping around the place of their hands up, they look very
• 4:01:37
  unimpressive as well. Yes, I don't know how this looks
• 4:01:41
  over. I'm not sure the plot makes any
• 4:01:43
  sense. I'm very confused by the plot
• 4:01:45
  soon as they're looking in those mirrors and all that.
• 4:01:47
  I just don't know what's going on.
• 4:01:48
  Frankly, I'm not attuned with moffett's Tommy wiring Doctor
• 4:01:52
  Who asshole. So I just, I'm not engaging with
• 4:01:55
  it and I just hate what the doctor does at the end of the
• 4:01:59
  story. Again, I hate the fact that Paul
• 4:02:01
  Rory has to close the door on the man that he loves and
• 4:02:06
  effectively kill her. It's just unpleasant, it's that,
• 4:02:10
  you know, lovely. Matt Smith Doctor that everyone
• 4:02:13
  talks about being a total bastard again.
• 4:02:15
  It's Rory going through hell again, it's Amy being tortured
• 4:02:19
  again. Why are we doing this to the
• 4:02:21
  characters were supposed to? Like, it's not drama.
• 4:02:24
  It's just horrible. It's deeply unpleasant to watch.
• 4:02:27
  Yeah, I like this tall in it. Well, thanks for that little and
• 4:02:34
  let's go the comments and see if we can get some sense back.
• 4:02:38
  Okay. Probably will. if I put them
• 4:02:42
  wherever I put them, She's very good.
• 4:02:47
  Now I feel like she's doing a gene and Crowley from time
• 4:02:49
  lashes. You know?
• 4:02:50
  She's doing that all level of performance.
• 4:02:54
  It's the same thing she does in the doctor's wife, right?
• 4:02:57
  They'll be at the end where the doctors losing Idris, right?
• 4:03:01
  And she started there literally utterly vacant and Rory said
• 4:03:06
  Arthur Darth was got tears in his eyes and he's gripping out
• 4:03:09
  of her. Rob, actually emoting, you can
• 4:03:11
  actually see the two different Pawn Stars there, it's the same
• 4:03:15
  thing that happens at the end of this episode.
• 4:03:16
  She's just up against the Tardis door going.
• 4:03:18
  Oh, please let me in please, at least the other side.
• 4:03:21
  Go don't do this to me. Oh please I have been and always
• 4:03:26
  will be your friend. Oh that's heartbreaking anyhow.
• 4:03:30
  So Jason Thompson. The girl who waited is a great
• 4:03:33
  bit for Kevin but the hundred because of the right time I made
• 4:03:36
  them too stupid to recognize Amy being an alien and not having
• 4:03:39
  the disease despite supposedly being medical droids and the
• 4:03:42
  ending is too OverWatch. Well said Jason Christie.
• 4:03:45
  The girl who waited is a brilliant story done well, with
• 4:03:48
  an amazingly dark ending, one of the best of the year with a
• 4:03:51
  subtle probably her best on who performers from Carolyn
• 4:03:55
  anchoring the whole thing nonsense.
• 4:03:59
  Hollandsworth, it's the Neil on the head.
• 4:04:01
  A highlight of the season for me, with great character moments
• 4:04:03
  and an interesting sci-fi Concepts, I do love a good
• 4:04:06
  Standalone episode in the moffatt era.
• 4:04:09
  Good for you. Dan Daniel romsley, my doctor
• 4:04:11
  who claimed to fame since my cousin, Josie plays the Cheery.
• 4:04:14
  Check in hologram, who becomes Amy to the two streams facility.
• 4:04:18
  I wrestle with this one but in a good way, as a piece of drama,
• 4:04:21
  it's shockingly effective and shows the doctor can really be a
• 4:04:25
  manipulative bastard. Get old.
• 4:04:28
  There's clever tell me stuff. And then there's this, if you
• 4:04:31
  rescue the younger Amy, then there's never an order, aim it
• 4:04:34
  be left, locked out of the TARDIS.
• 4:04:35
  It's not a paradox, it's just more spectacular.
• 4:04:38
  It's literally, if I would literally makes no sense.
• 4:04:40
  David press. I'm really like this lands.
• 4:04:44
  The emotional beats well and Karen Gill and give us a superb.
• 4:04:46
  Double performance a season highlight.
• 4:04:48
  Oh, he Daniel Knights a clever and emotional till with a strong
• 4:04:53
  performance by Karen Gillan is the two Amy's, the hot breaking
• 4:04:57
  and shows the darkest of 11th Doctor without the bullying,
• 4:05:00
  over to and seen in a good man. And Matt Smith performance is
• 4:05:03
  suitably impressive. Paul Quinn has taken a dose of
• 4:05:06
  mind or in drugs clearly and says Karen Gillan in the girl
• 4:05:11
  who waited gives one of the greatest performers in Doctor,
• 4:05:14
  Who Lost zombies. Does he the only reason history
• 4:05:18
  the best. Oh, sorry.
• 4:05:19
  Doctor Who history. That's right.
• 4:05:20
  He must really the only reason, this isn't the best episode of
• 4:05:24
  the season is because The God Delusion exists.
• 4:05:29
  Like John benzol, yeah. Promised you a shock.
• 4:05:31
  Shock horror John likes a new story, Karen Gillan, relishes,
• 4:05:36
  the chance to do more than shout, then pull that usual,
• 4:05:39
  ghost face. She doesn't every episode.
• 4:05:40
  A sensitive performance in an unusual, but effective Back to
• 4:05:45
  Basics tale. Big Orange, Michael says, I
• 4:05:48
  admire the cleverness of how Moffitt Works around various
• 4:05:51
  cast members, not being available for filming,
• 4:05:53
  especially with this episode, Karen Gilles work.
• 4:05:57
  It's solid. Reminds me.
• 4:05:59
  I need to watch this one again. Oh, not as full of prizes.
• 4:06:02
  I was expecting. and I'm pick this one up then, since I've
• 4:06:07
  kind of kept my Pagoda, what other than not as pocket and I
• 4:06:14
  said, there's three stories. In my top 60 from this series.
• 4:06:20
  We've had to already. Doctors wife came in at number
• 4:06:23
  40, so gentlemen, higher or lower your cards.
• 4:06:26
  Right is the girl who waited higher on my list, then the
• 4:06:31
  doctor's wife. Oh yeah.
• 4:06:36
  Given that you seem to like this kind of thing.
• 4:06:39
  I'm going to go higher. I'm going to go higher as well.
• 4:06:42
  You all win. You all win this game in a
• 4:06:46
  matter you want. So, 31, just before the halfway
• 4:06:49
  point, is the girl who waited. I think this is a fantastic
• 4:06:53
  story and it goes back to what I was saying about.
• 4:06:59
  The rebel flesh, two-parter. You know this is drama.
• 4:07:02
  This is a really Powerful story that pushes you.
• 4:07:07
  The viewer in a way that you don't expect to be pushed.
• 4:07:10
  It kind of starts off in your kind of thing in, you know,
• 4:07:13
  where we're going with this. And we've got two, two images,
• 4:07:16
  you get the older, Amy you fully expect, you know, the order Amy
• 4:07:21
  to do that and all the sacrifice to the youngest Amy can live.
• 4:07:23
  And Live her life with she doesn't because she doesn't
• 4:07:27
  because she's eating pond. so that whole dynamic that whole
• 4:07:31
  Twist of the You know the the older Amy be in difficult and
• 4:07:38
  see. No, I want to live.
• 4:07:39
  It's so reliable. I think each and every one of
• 4:07:42
  us. We were not situation but like
• 4:07:43
  no do both, you know. Here in the doctor that sort of
• 4:07:48
  thing. It's just, it's such an
• 4:07:50
  interesting place to put these characters, then it just keeps
• 4:07:54
  doing that because you keep expecting you thinking, well,
• 4:07:57
  we're not gonna have to Amy's on the Tardis.
• 4:07:59
  We're not gonna have an old, Amy on, the autism would know what's
• 4:08:01
  gonna happen. How are we going to resolve
• 4:08:03
  this? When is it going to resolve?
• 4:08:04
  And it pushes, and it pushes, and it pushes until it is
• 4:08:07
  literally pushing her about the door of the doors and shutting,
• 4:08:10
  the Taurus behind her, in that final scene, with horrible?
• 4:08:13
  The doc, it's so powerful though.
• 4:08:16
  It is like, I say, it's drama. And drama does it always leave?
• 4:08:20
  You happy drama pushes you and does gives you things you don't
• 4:08:25
  enjoy and gives you characters as you don't like and they do
• 4:08:28
  gives you count as that you do like doing things you don't like
• 4:08:31
  in. That's exactly what happens.
• 4:08:33
  Yeah and the doctor standing there with all you and putting
• 4:08:36
  all his hand on that. That lock and seeing you decide
• 4:08:40
  then you feeling fine. Well and the doctor and we just
• 4:08:44
  kind of calling him out on that that line where you know you
• 4:08:48
  knew this. You know, that's not the way I
• 4:08:51
  travel that. I don't want to travel with you
• 4:08:53
  when he screams that don't leave. because, It's kind of
• 4:08:59
  leading into the next part, isn't it?
• 4:09:02
  It's like that could be the end and that could be.
• 4:09:04
  You could swap that with God, complex and say, right?
• 4:09:07
  This is the point where we're pulled the Fig end.
• 4:09:09
  And this is the point where we see actually It's really
• 4:09:12
  stopped, being fun. It's such high Jinks at the
• 4:09:14
  start of episode and when you get to the end, it is so so
• 4:09:18
  different. And the doctor just walking out
• 4:09:19
  the room and seeing and Amy wake up and say, well, where's
• 4:09:21
  where's old me and leave and Rory, to kind of have that
• 4:09:25
  discussion with his wife. It's just, it's all powerful.
• 4:09:29
  It's just think there is a difference between putting
• 4:09:32
  people in dramatic situation and forcing people into situations
• 4:09:37
  where they have to do. Horrible things.
• 4:09:39
  There is a difference between and every single situation
• 4:09:42
  you've talked about in, this is forcing people into doing
• 4:09:46
  unpleasant, things that's not drama to me.
• 4:09:48
  It is absolutely manipulative. That was a dramatic situation
• 4:09:51
  left and destroying London and putting her into a horrible
• 4:09:57
  situation where she has to react.
• 4:09:59
  Oh, that's bogus tits. No, it's no because This is it's
• 4:10:08
  it's putting them forcing them, it's literally forced them in
• 4:10:10
  that position. That's what this does so.
• 4:10:12
  Well, Karen Gillan is outstanding throughout, she has
• 4:10:16
  to do both part, she has to play the young Amy and she has to
• 4:10:19
  play the old Amy. This old bitter version of the
• 4:10:23
  young vibrant character that we know and she has to do that.
• 4:10:27
  At the same time, in the same scene together that scene where
• 4:10:31
  young Amy is talking to all the Amy and all the missing.
• 4:10:34
  Look, I I remember having this conversation.
• 4:10:36
  It didn't work that it's not going to work now.
• 4:10:39
  That back and forth between the two.
• 4:10:41
  It's so well written. And so, well directed and so
• 4:10:44
  well performed by the same person, having two different
• 4:10:48
  conversation, you know, as two different characters, clearly
• 4:10:51
  different characters as well. It's just amazing.
• 4:10:54
  And the look of the thing, you know, for once we've got the
• 4:10:57
  lights up, you know, we've got sunshine and we've got Gardens,
• 4:11:00
  we've got bright white rooms, no one's got a little bit more to
• 4:11:05
  see and in A she's like you see a Jewish is quite dark visually
• 4:11:11
  and still I could watch this over and over again.
• 4:11:15
  Even more the other way though, for me, even though that end is
• 4:11:18
  really difficult and it's really, you know as if you are
• 4:11:21
  as a person who will connect with these characters likes
• 4:11:24
  these characters like this tallest team that ending Is
• 4:11:28
  really difficult but I would happily watch this over and over
• 4:11:31
  again. And this.
• 4:11:32
  This is not that many I would say about this in the, in the
• 4:11:34
  series. I think there's good episodes
• 4:11:36
  but there's not ones that you would want to come back to again
• 4:11:38
  and again, and again, where is this?
• 4:11:40
  Is the ones that is. So it is a massive big hearty.
• 4:11:46
  Keep for me, I promise I will shut up in a second.
• 4:11:49
  All right, but it is another issue.
• 4:11:51
  I have with this era is that, and it's there in The Angels,
• 4:11:55
  Take Manhattan as well. It's that you can feel the plot
• 4:11:58
  gears grinding, right? To force the characters into
• 4:12:03
  certain situations, the whole plot is sort of anchors.
• 4:12:07
  Nope. All right, yes, yeah.
• 4:12:08
  I'm into that exact place. Oh, slick.
• 4:12:13
  As you want because it's, it's exactly what is exactly what it
• 4:12:16
  wants to do it. It's not for its forcing the
• 4:12:21
  characters, but it's not forcing.
• 4:12:22
  The story is seeing right? This is how the story goes.
• 4:12:25
  And this is what happens. And this is what happens next.
• 4:12:27
  And this is the consequence, and this is what happens.
• 4:12:29
  But forces the character doesn't it to her and A position that we
• 4:12:35
  don't want to be in there. Don't want to be in but there's
• 4:12:38
  no easier way out. There is no sort of like magic
• 4:12:41
  reset button. There's no one doing the the
• 4:12:44
  noble thing. It is literally have to make
• 4:12:46
  hard choices to get to get where it is.
• 4:12:49
  It's it's more about them. Just all gone conclusion then
• 4:12:52
  I'll just force us Karen Killers performers anyway.
• 4:12:58
  Maybe over to the guests. Yes, maybe we'll let them argue
• 4:13:01
  with us instead. Michael would you like to go
• 4:13:03
  first? Thank you.
• 4:13:05
  Well, this one I tend to swing both ways.
• 4:13:12
  I listened to listen to a lot of lots of what he saying.
• 4:13:18
  And as I've been saying, there's a lot of Hitchcock in let's make
• 4:13:22
  the girls suffer from the sea. It's and yeah, it's that and
• 4:13:30
  even more. So it's because we also played a
• 4:13:32
  lot on the shoulders and everything of every man, rollery
• 4:13:35
  But this phrases says it's called Trava. and, And Laurie's
• 4:13:46
  the situation where he's everywhere.
• 4:13:48
  Every every man he doesn't have the Backstory of the Mythic of
• 4:13:54
  the imaginary friends, who, who visit her in the United States
• 4:13:58
  and visited visitor in the night.
• 4:14:00
  He hasn't, he hasn't got this fairy story idea of the doctor
• 4:14:03
  in integrated to his side. He is he, every man who's got
• 4:14:08
  into a, who's going to a situation beyond beyond his
• 4:14:12
  experience. But he knows that he's found the
• 4:14:14
  way to cope with it because he's, that's the well, as his
• 4:14:18
  state in the gold complex, It's getting used to but also because
• 4:14:21
  he's been through uncomfortable. Complicated situations like
• 4:14:24
  this. He will see.
• 4:14:26
  Situations are having to make horrible decision to see people
• 4:14:30
  make horrible decisions in medical situations.
• 4:14:34
  And choices of whether or not. He's got to swayed just people
• 4:14:41
  say what medication if they want to stop and things like that.
• 4:14:44
  So he's in a situation where he can see if you, if you put in
• 4:14:50
  the situation where you can have the best of both worlds, you go,
• 4:14:53
  you go to go for it. And so, that's his motivation
• 4:14:57
  and oh, so what does all through a local wonder if he's also
• 4:15:02
  thinking, Hmm, two ways, maybe. Maybe before we drop her off, we
• 4:15:07
  can just sneak up from the back of you and Old Navy.
• 4:15:10
  That's why I ever thought I would hear all this poor girls,
• 4:15:18
  but here we are. And I like the aesthetic of, I
• 4:15:24
  like we've got this sort of very wide brightly litical.
• 4:15:27
  Look about the two strings facility, which makes sense,
• 4:15:30
  because it's a medical setup. It's supposed to be called
• 4:15:32
  clinical. It's supposed to be keeping
• 4:15:34
  about. So, it's got to be a bit, so,
• 4:15:36
  it's got to be a bright step. Look sterile, I thought we do
• 4:15:40
  get out to be outside for a little bit, a little bit even if
• 4:15:44
  it is artificial and I'm not quite sure if the idea of
• 4:15:48
  kindness is actually that and kind.
• 4:15:50
  So okay you've got a terminal disease, you're going to die but
• 4:15:54
  you can watch all your family, all your family grow all over
• 4:15:57
  the list of their lives. And they can watch you snuff it.
• 4:16:02
  And I know he's very but then it's an alien civilization.
• 4:16:05
  So, I'll be right to judge you by what?
• 4:16:09
  We just mere mortals would think.
• 4:16:12
  Why does this decision only affect races with two hearts?
• 4:16:18
  Is it something to do with the secondary binary system?
• 4:16:23
  Is it like that straight? All these just have Sabbath
• 4:16:31
  going around, pulling out people's hearts.
• 4:16:33
  Make it more entertaining. Version of template 2. and, But
• 4:16:43
  the other thing is, what I don't really girl who waited.
• 4:16:46
  So that all immediately, you know, this is going to be a Amy
• 4:16:49
  episode, but it's not, although it appears to be an identity
• 4:16:53
  episode, but it's not, it's a really certificate, it's always
• 4:16:56
  antagonist. And in my heart of hearts, I
• 4:16:59
  think the episode should be called, Rory choice, but maybe
• 4:17:02
  that was given to that would have given the ending away.
• 4:17:05
  Baby, what would have been nice symmetry and then we have the
• 4:17:10
  problem of is, I think ends a little too certainly with We
• 4:17:14
  have this speaker, we have this big showdown between the doctor,
• 4:17:18
  and Rory, and Rory in his. It's not fair.
• 4:17:21
  You're making me like you And he's frustration, he knows that
• 4:17:26
  doctors, right. And he knows it, it's 40 and he
• 4:17:30
  was gonna never gonna happen and that's why he's always angry at
• 4:17:34
  his self for thinking it, I think.
• 4:17:36
  But then we cut it because we don't have that seed.
• 4:17:40
  Well, where is she would have a son crash into the credits and I
• 4:17:44
  think that's disappointing. But only, yeah, is there any way
• 4:17:48
  you could write that with me clunky or clumsy?
• 4:17:51
  Or Or maybe they did and they look at it and this and they
• 4:17:55
  went no Christopher. Hpme doc will tell us not to do
• 4:17:58
  that. Severance would say not to that
• 4:18:00
  and that would be the bit to go. So what a disappointing against
• 4:18:03
  the episode Michael Hmm. Yeah, so and I quite and I'm
• 4:18:11
  gonna have to disagree with you. I think.
• 4:18:12
  Karen Gillian, what's in a bullet performance in this
• 4:18:15
  episode and contrasted between naive between naive, Amy my
• 4:18:20
  younger Amy, and still probably a future and Older Amy, who's
• 4:18:24
  in? Who's And bittered.
• 4:18:26
  And again is what the nasty on. Really.
• 4:18:29
  She's completely forgotten about him and just focus on the
• 4:18:33
  doctor. She bitter.
• 4:18:34
  She angry. Is she displaying any sort of an
• 4:18:37
  emotion? I don't see it. it maybe it's
• 4:18:41
  just you do have this problem of what you know, you can't have
• 4:18:51
  two aims you but what We don't if they kept old Amy alive.
• 4:18:59
  So survive somehow Else. But to Steph's, help set up the
• 4:19:04
  conversion chapter, then the bit and bitter baby.
• 4:19:06
  Oh yeah. Oh, that would be great.
• 4:19:09
  And yeah, so was the villain of the Season all along.
• 4:19:14
  Yeah, that would be that young. Amy would have to kill evil, way
• 4:19:19
  me to, in the seasons. Yeah, that would be easy.
• 4:19:23
  That's that's the way they should be.
• 4:19:24
  Interesting way to go because it was also because it give more of
• 4:19:28
  a motivation there. more of a more personal motivation,
• 4:19:33
  they're just some mythical question, which will be asked
• 4:19:35
  from the fields or Trends or and, Which gives you think about
• 4:19:40
  it, if you don't want the question to be asked.
• 4:19:42
  Well, um, buff Clara, because she's the one who asks,
• 4:19:44
  question, who answers the question?
• 4:19:46
  So, So, yes, but yeah, I'm gonna go with phrase.
• 4:19:51
  I'm going to keep this one. You really?
• 4:19:56
  Yeah. Just because you fancy Karen.
• 4:20:03
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 4:20:07
  James. Unlike the story, I shall be
• 4:20:10
  brief. This is a story that last 60
• 4:20:14
  years for Amy and I felt every fucking second.
• 4:20:16
  Yeah. Um, I do not want moment.
• 4:20:19
  Believe that Amy was capable of surviving so healthily for so
• 4:20:24
  many decades in a place that seems to have kind of bugger all
• 4:20:28
  in it for humans. The resets which ending was so
• 4:20:34
  obvious. I thought no emotion at the end
• 4:20:37
  because My brain just said, well, it's been written at a
• 4:20:41
  time so they're not going to have to deal with the
• 4:20:42
  consequences of this same as they didn't have to deal with
• 4:20:44
  the consequences of babies turning to goo husband wives.
• 4:20:49
  Turning to goo. There is no emotional
• 4:20:51
  consequence in this series. So I didn't give a monkey's
• 4:20:55
  about it. The whole Paradox thing was wank
• 4:20:57
  and I think going back to comment from quite early on the
• 4:21:04
  next time trailer. For this story.
• 4:21:09
  Has some really fun fantastic sequences in it and really
• 4:21:12
  Visual and everything. And then it turns out that they
• 4:21:15
  are literally the only watchable 30 seconds in, thank you.
• 4:21:19
  Um, it's just Oh God. I mean, it's one of the dullest
• 4:21:25
  stories that there's been I just, I really did it for this.
• 4:21:31
  I will eventually revisit it for the my own Marathon I'm doing at
• 4:21:35
  the moment, but dear God, it is, oh, boring and nonsensical, and
• 4:21:43
  it is thankfully written out of time.
• 4:21:45
  So consigned to the bin of paradox history, James, if I had
• 4:21:49
  no chose this one, it would have been God damn it.
• 4:21:52
  Thankfully, the rest of us on this.
• 4:21:55
  Don't you worry? So soon annihilated around to so
• 4:21:58
  it is going through where it deserves to be the long.
• 4:22:02
  No crazy. Oh yeah.
• 4:22:04
  Who's in charge of the spinny real thing?
• 4:22:08
  There's no way you're gonna get a consensus on that episode
• 4:22:11
  know. Whichever swords get the final
• 4:22:14
  guys. Do you think?
• 4:22:15
  Right. So James suspense 60 years with
• 4:22:20
  Karen Gillan. That's not trying to spend six.
• 4:22:23
  He's roaring States. That's not how this works.
• 4:22:28
  If it said, you'd like to orderly spend 60 years with all
• 4:22:32
  but you didn't know you get 60s with Amy instead and let's not
• 4:22:36
  try and spend 60 years on the next one. and, Michael, you get
• 4:22:41
  a wrap up grown one for us as you take on.
• 4:22:44
  Night terrors. Well, this is my top moment.
• 4:22:51
  well what first initial times I watched, I just thought I never
• 4:22:55
  never sat right for me but really watching this, we watched
• 4:22:59
  it for this and I thought, oh, actually first thing is putting
• 4:23:04
  The doctor, Amy, and Rory into a council estate, a secularly,
• 4:23:08
  he's putting them in an RTD setting.
• 4:23:11
  It seems that they seem really jarring and out of place and
• 4:23:14
  it's quite funny. How, no, but, no, booger talks
• 4:23:17
  to them because really these weirdos, it makes me feel like,
• 4:23:20
  makes me feel the bit in chapters of damage of damaged
• 4:23:24
  goods when Dr. Ross, and Glen Drive in arrived in the, in the
• 4:23:30
  quadrant and everyone's kind of Little bit suspicious, are they?
• 4:23:35
  Are they are they other people from the DSs try to Define
• 4:23:39
  benefit? and if it cheats, are they
• 4:23:43
  Possibly people are they ping people?
• 4:23:45
  Or they? Or they just checking the cases
• 4:23:48
  after its fills. There's a way.
• 4:23:51
  It feels weird to put them in such a way.
• 4:23:53
  In a more contemporary recognizable.
• 4:23:55
  Gritty down to earth setting. and, I must have been not paying
• 4:24:02
  off of attention, just for ages. I thought the landlord the guy
• 4:24:05
  with the dog was a debt collector, not not the landlord,
• 4:24:08
  I thought he was I thought he was a money and who gave him
• 4:24:12
  money for the money for the IVF and they wrote it back.
• 4:24:14
  I thought he was a declared, he was a landlord in this in the
• 4:24:23
  episode. Yes.
• 4:24:23
  And usually very observant Michael.
• 4:24:28
  This. And but what is that?
• 4:24:34
  Okay, I'll be gonna get to you. One of your favorite Royal
• 4:24:37
  favorite aspects of new home bits.
• 4:24:39
  You always see how much you love these characters Is that we've
• 4:24:44
  got an annoying child actor? Oh yeah, supposed to be windy
• 4:24:49
  and annoying. I mean, they're all supposed to
• 4:24:52
  be whining and annoying but that doesn't stop them being, whiny
• 4:24:56
  and annoying. But in this case, he supposedly
• 4:24:58
  the entire Cooks on story is that he is whiny and annoying.
• 4:25:02
  And he is coded a little bit, be having ADHD or Autism, or very
• 4:25:08
  or other new disorders and he scared.
• 4:25:14
  It's a horse. Something is he talking about?
• 4:25:16
  Scared, little lift. If he says a wicked, he thinks
• 4:25:19
  the old lady across the other is a witch. that's, and they say
• 4:25:23
  that all the IVF they could afford That's just makes me quiz
• 4:25:27
  a question. Are they people?
• 4:25:29
  Who lived in Suburbia on the countryside and the money
• 4:25:34
  there's MoneyGram. And then moved to a council 6
• 4:25:35
  because they just got into debt and they can't afford to live
• 4:25:38
  there and he's not used to living in the work of fire.
• 4:25:41
  But when the student takes after living in after staying in the
• 4:25:45
  house, do these little person he hear all the sounds you want to
• 4:25:50
  just before people walking down the corridors.
• 4:25:53
  Heat up in the courtyard or copulating against your front
• 4:25:57
  door and it falling again. So that's how did you go to
• 4:26:01
  university? Was in Birmingham, sir.
• 4:26:05
  All right, anybody? It's yeah, it's just, it's just,
• 4:26:09
  he's a. That's so, he's a maybe he's out
• 4:26:11
  to play. He's out to kill is he seems to
• 4:26:14
  have a huge amount of toys which if you're an account, which I've
• 4:26:17
  correct me if I'm wrong. So I never growing up the
• 4:26:20
  council house or small Flats so but he's how far more toys than
• 4:26:24
  somebody. Naturally in that environment
• 4:26:27
  would have thought. so has he bought a lot of stuff and that's
• 4:26:32
  So he's a new environment. He's getting edge.
• 4:26:34
  He's getting edgy. He said, oh Well, perhaps we
• 4:26:37
  need to go see Charles I trust and what?
• 4:26:41
  And We'll take it up, set you and we got she's a nurse
• 4:26:48
  assistant to the mother disappears but it comes back to
• 4:26:50
  him which is running theme. Not so much for parents but
• 4:26:53
  fatherhood and The stars of the wilming, but but it's clearly on
• 4:27:00
  this other not quite feels a lot more genuine, then then James
• 4:27:06
  called and being James Corden. and it's, you know, he feels
• 4:27:11
  like an anxious parent who wants to do the best but doesn't know
• 4:27:14
  what it doesn't know where he is, and he's And we got the
• 4:27:17
  strange straight and they've got the doctor seemingly being a
• 4:27:20
  biggest child psychologist for the story, but and the dolls
• 4:27:24
  that were effectively creepy. And I do like and there's
• 4:27:29
  clearly that massive edit where you can clearly say.
• 4:27:31
  This is part of the original supposed to go out first, when
• 4:27:34
  Amy and Rory gets transported into the doll's house.
• 4:27:37
  Amy looks aside. Off camera.
• 4:27:40
  And then there's a massive cut to the facing.
• 4:27:42
  Both of them, facing each other kid.
• 4:27:44
  That's where was she looked the door opens?
• 4:27:47
  Oh yeah, I reckon. That's where I was.
• 4:27:49
  Because it feels like it's a really jarring edit their and I
• 4:27:53
  would recommend the similar scene with from cursed the black
• 4:27:57
  spot. The ending there.
• 4:27:58
  But that was the original ending and they flip that. and, but he
• 4:28:03
  said, Yes, the problems is. Be ground.
• 4:28:07
  There's no listen, the most behind the bit.
• 4:28:10
  The problem of this little studio is that there's no
• 4:28:13
  emotional fall out about alien. Always, well, we lost our kids.
• 4:28:16
  Well, they Got to do everything to make sure.
• 4:28:20
  This little kid feels, you know, wanted haven't done connects, so
• 4:28:24
  it feels a little Jolly but that I'm not really sure.
• 4:28:27
  You can put that element down. That's good.
• 4:28:29
  That's my greatest his fault but it feels unusual to have I won't
• 4:28:34
  get a script set contemporary. It does have a little bit of a
• 4:28:38
  sort of kid-friendly version of inside number 9. and, And it's a
• 4:28:45
  good. We have a feeling who isn't a
• 4:28:47
  veal. It's interesting.
• 4:28:48
  It's like cooking in a nice cooking, interesting.
• 4:28:50
  Cooking with an S Storey. Yes, so it's there's no, there's
• 4:28:55
  no evil. There's no evil master plan and
• 4:28:57
  it okay. Just love, overcomes any.
• 4:29:00
  It feels a little more egregious, not egregious.
• 4:29:02
  Feel a little bit better here, because it Decisions.
• 4:29:06
  This is a generous seems to be a generous situation between them.
• 4:29:10
  A rift between maybe you'll see if they have moved from some of
• 4:29:13
  that is caused a bit of a rift. And that could be triggering.
• 4:29:17
  So maybe what they think is ADHD behavior.
• 4:29:20
  So I'm going to keep it. Interesting.
• 4:29:25
  It's a keeper. All right.
• 4:29:27
  Oh fantastic race. Last set of comments?
• 4:29:30
  Then, you know, we go. May go for Jason Thompson says a
• 4:29:37
  night. Terrors, is a bit of an oddity
• 4:29:38
  and generally, our memorable, not bad, just very middling Peg
• 4:29:43
  dolls. In the 21st century, Charles toy
• 4:29:45
  box or a bit of an anachronism and don't really fit with the
• 4:29:48
  general setting, keep it just because there's nothing so bad
• 4:29:51
  to Warren. Chucking it?
• 4:29:54
  Crash dummy night terrors is a complete Retreat of the Hummer
• 4:29:57
  House of mystery and suspense at swords play with a bad
• 4:30:01
  EastEnders. Knock off boarded on, but I find
• 4:30:04
  it watchable and engaging. So I keep it Jack Koya.
• 4:30:07
  Mark gaetz is dropping in a Dependable slice of Doctor Who's
• 4:30:11
  spookiness season Arc, be damned.
• 4:30:13
  Yeah, indeed love Amy, and Rory's middle class, snobbish.
• 4:30:18
  Nurse that being dropped into the powerless state from hell.
• 4:30:20
  And Matt, Smith Doctor has a different physicality when he
• 4:30:23
  sing partner is actually taller than him.
• 4:30:25
  I thought it being slight, but would like some elements
• 4:30:28
  expanded upon like the seeding of Clues to explain George's
• 4:30:32
  alien nature. This could come directly after
• 4:30:34
  the series opener, kicking off with a call from another child
• 4:30:38
  in distress. You know.
• 4:30:39
  He said about personal black spot that should have come
• 4:30:42
  later. I don't think he knows Anyway.
• 4:30:47
  I'm sure everyone was up by now. It's Daniel wansley, yay.
• 4:30:51
  It's nightmare again in season 6 is Doctor Who so it's nighttime
• 4:30:55
  again in season 6 is Doctor Who and on a reject power State
• 4:31:00
  sigh. Save for about 15 minutes of
• 4:31:03
  ghoulish. Got his genius with that.
• 4:31:06
  Creepy us folk Peg dolls. I find this almost entirely
• 4:31:10
  worthless and unpleasant, Little Boy.
• 4:31:12
  George has my vote as the worst who child actor.
• 4:31:15
  Daniel, Peter old. Okay, I take it back.
• 4:31:19
  If this goes his head with the doctor's wife and wins.
• 4:31:22
  It's not a problem. So, brilliant.
• 4:31:24
  So well, realized, so deep in the words of Julian and Sandy,
• 4:31:29
  if it feels like, Mark Gators has listened to the command to
• 4:31:32
  purge yourself and doing therapy right in front of us, so good.
• 4:31:36
  So going through And your Nate unforked Horror Story, that
• 4:31:42
  doesn't quite click. Daniel's is good value.
• 4:31:46
  However, the ending of Love saves the day is the first of
• 4:31:49
  the series. Unfortunately, not the last John
• 4:31:52
  bensonia, those dolls are wonderfully creepy.
• 4:31:55
  It's just a shame. They were in a bit story.
• 4:31:57
  Gators tells only aspire to mediocrity.
• 4:32:00
  And this one is no exception, love conquers, all again.
• 4:32:04
  Everybody lived again, put in Apollo bin bags with Mrs. Ross's
• 4:32:10
  top and for the last time this evening, Allow me to salute Big
• 4:32:16
  Orange. Michael who says, after a run of
• 4:32:19
  Arc heavy stories, this one feels like a breath of fresh air
• 4:32:23
  a solid Standalone in a great series.
• 4:32:27
  Keep it. Joe, I will keeping it.
• 4:32:32
  Well I'm not but you might know irritating child actor.
• 4:32:38
  I mean he's just weird isn't he? That kid frankly ought to take
• 4:32:41
  and Hitler out the cupboard a bung in there instead and told
• 4:32:44
  him to shut up. I know I'm not a parent.
• 4:32:47
  Leave me alone. I don't like kids.
• 4:32:49
  I don't like kids in Doctor Who and I don't like whiny little
• 4:32:53
  cows like this kid. However, I find him incredibly
• 4:32:56
  annoying. Yes, I'm not sure why we were on
• 4:33:00
  his side if I want this. I don't know why we're hanging
• 4:33:02
  around, Daniel Mason this as well.
• 4:33:04
  I think he's a pretty good actor, this the Rory and Amy
• 4:33:09
  stuff, it's creepy, but it feels utterly Superfluous.
• 4:33:12
  If it feels like they're just not needed in his story.
• 4:33:14
  So they're banged into that doll's house which frankly The
• 4:33:17
  X-Files did a lot better in the episode all three poorly in
• 4:33:20
  series 9. So I watched that one.
• 4:33:23
  Is that this is much creepier it's a mortal season that's the
• 4:33:28
  Maldives season. Yes, a great episode.
• 4:33:30
  I don't see that it will end up in a doll's house, it's very
• 4:33:33
  Twilight Zone. It's great.
• 4:33:35
  This has got about enough plot for 20 minutes but it's double
• 4:33:39
  that length. Whoever said that most of the
• 4:33:42
  characters are unpleasant, they are they land, all is miserably
• 4:33:45
  unpleasant. The old lady that gets taken out
• 4:33:47
  of the rubbish, she's horrible as well.
• 4:33:50
  It's the same problem. I have a lot.
• 4:33:51
  This is and I just don't like any of these people.
• 4:33:54
  Matt Smith is, all right? And this episode We're going
• 4:34:00
  into a rusty Davis setting and a Moffat era.
• 4:34:04
  Just can't do it. It just can't do Urban well.
• 4:34:08
  Like caramel could do it. Like Rusty Davis.
• 4:34:11
  Could do it. It just all feels a bit off to
• 4:34:13
  me but mostly for that irritating, little shit.
• 4:34:20
  Make Hardy's Todd moment and this is my second one as well.
• 4:34:26
  This umbrella on you. All right?
• 4:34:28
  Well, it's almost as if I'm going now so we can keep that
• 4:34:34
  element of surprise due. Him.
• 4:34:37
  Sorry. So yeah.
• 4:34:39
  So this is this one right there is it's one I've not watched
• 4:34:42
  since it went out. Basically went out.
• 4:34:44
  I got the DVD. I watched it since it's not one
• 4:34:46
  of literally came back to her all in the interviewing sort of
• 4:34:50
  12 13 years and So, you know, I wasn't expecting great things of
• 4:34:55
  it, put it on, watched it thought, actually, it's it's
• 4:34:58
  it's quite decent. And the exact same thing from
• 4:35:02
  closing time. Happened.
• 4:35:04
  This we have that end. We have the end where, you know,
• 4:35:07
  when I watched it in 2011, and watched it on when I got it for
• 4:35:12
  Christmas on the DVD. Didn't have a kid.
• 4:35:15
  Now, I do. I think that ending of Daniel is
• 4:35:20
  running down the stairs to embrace, his adopted son, is
• 4:35:25
  just immensely, powerful, I think as a parent one, but you
• 4:35:30
  know, if you think as an adopted child, And, you know, on all
• 4:35:35
  Cristiano was a doctor himself, the most.
• 4:35:38
  Imagine a lot of the parents out there.
• 4:35:41
  Who've adopted children children, who have been a
• 4:35:44
  doctored, you know, to see that unconditional love being shown
• 4:35:48
  by Amanda, who knows? It's not his biological kid, but
• 4:35:52
  it's still his son. He still loves that child and
• 4:35:56
  regardless, and immensely powerful.
• 4:36:00
  There's the sort of creepy setting of the Dolls house,
• 4:36:03
  which which I really enjoy. I think a big flaw of the story
• 4:36:06
  is not enough is made of that, I think maybe as if the whole
• 4:36:09
  story had been set in the doll's house, that might be a bit
• 4:36:12
  better kind of cutting in between and you don't really get
• 4:36:16
  enough of of the creepy of the doll's house and the dolls.
• 4:36:21
  Are we going to love that bit where Amy turns into the ginger?
• 4:36:24
  A little And Peg doll and that was really effective and the
• 4:36:30
  thing I like the most though is is Mark Smith's performance,
• 4:36:33
  surprise, and watched it back. And I was really taken by how
• 4:36:38
  much he turns it down in all he sees with George, you know,
• 4:36:43
  years very like. I'm Flappy and I'm eccentric and
• 4:36:47
  I'm here jokey jokey time and then as soon as he gets to
• 4:36:51
  seeing with the kid, he just brings it right down.
• 4:36:54
  You know, he's like You know. Hello.
• 4:36:57
  I am the doctor. Tell me about the monster's.
• 4:37:00
  You know it's just so subtle and understated when he's with the
• 4:37:04
  kid it's just a really good example of why Matt Smith works
• 4:37:08
  so well with kids. He can just pivot These doctor
• 4:37:12
  from one side to that. We see the the really dark
• 4:37:16
  menacing side of the doctor, the manipulative, the, you know, the
• 4:37:20
  the bit of a bastard this season quite a lot, but in this one we
• 4:37:24
  actually get to see the the really care and the Really
• 4:37:27
  empathetic Doctor Who really connects with this kid, and
• 4:37:32
  really goes there to to make a difference.
• 4:37:34
  So, and That's enough to put it through for me.
• 4:37:38
  I think the reason there is bits which don't really work.
• 4:37:41
  I mean, the scene where the the landlord comes around at the
• 4:37:44
  doctor came to stands and the kitchen, and it's just like you
• 4:37:46
  want him to do something, you want him to be coming out of
• 4:37:49
  that kitchen and dealing with that, landlord a little bit to
• 4:37:51
  be backing up. The dining room is character,
• 4:37:56
  Told me so really abusive. Well, he breaks his legs.
• 4:38:01
  Oh Timeless. Yeah, yeah, maybe he's not that
• 4:38:05
  much but you know, you want if you go out and You know, doing
• 4:38:10
  something it feels a little bit strange.
• 4:38:12
  That the doctor was just willing to stand in the bedroom and let
• 4:38:15
  that happen that bullion happened between the landlord
• 4:38:18
  and and that. But like I say, you know, for
• 4:38:21
  the Maximus performance for the, the creepy sort of stand, it's
• 4:38:25
  really well directed as well. There was a lovely shot where
• 4:38:27
  they, it goes from the kid in bed in.
• 4:38:30
  It sort of, like, merges into the woman putting bins out and
• 4:38:33
  like Decide of the the house is, you know, it's like a fade in
• 4:38:40
  and so this is really good direction and this is well, so
• 4:38:43
  happy that you know, it's quite awful, there's a lovely shot of
• 4:38:46
  the whole block of flats and you sort of go in slowly in a really
• 4:38:50
  creepy way. I think that's why all of a bit
• 4:38:52
  artificial to me and not Urban in the way that the power State.
• 4:38:56
  Yeah, it's just all a bit too constructed. it does, you watch,
• 4:39:01
  and it does feel like You know, it's just a set of looks a
• 4:39:06
  little bit CGI, it looks a little bit like it's just been
• 4:39:09
  what their but like I said keeps he keeps you for me.
• 4:39:14
  James, you have the casting vote.
• 4:39:18
  You know, he kind of aimed to try and be creepy and missed on
• 4:39:24
  every level. It's kind of like, it's, it
• 4:39:26
  should be called fear him. I mean, it's like, it's Ah, it's
• 4:39:30
  it's not as good as fear her. It's, I don't know how they
• 4:39:35
  managed to do dolls. That weren't scary.
• 4:39:37
  I did not feel terrified by those dolls at all.
• 4:39:41
  It's it's kind of like it's almost like the opposite of the
• 4:39:46
  God complex. With good complex, takes stuff
• 4:39:49
  and makes it really terrifying. This takes stuff that should be
• 4:39:53
  scary and just isn't. Um, and yeah, it's just I didn't
• 4:40:00
  like the characters. I didn't like the thing.
• 4:40:04
  It just felt like it was kind of assembled from.
• 4:40:08
  Okay, we need something scary. We'll have dolls.
• 4:40:10
  We need something kind of, you know, it's like I don't know how
• 4:40:14
  again all the pieces managed to fail to connect.
• 4:40:17
  So spectacularly. but yeah, um It's was disappointing.
• 4:40:25
  I'm saying kind of the whole lack of emotional I know is
• 4:40:29
  because it was changed order of the episodes and I'd be saying
• 4:40:32
  we're supposed to be treating these as a standalone episodes.
• 4:40:35
  So kind of, you know, it wouldn't be fair to to bin it
• 4:40:38
  purely because of that. But yeah, it's just it was
• 4:40:42
  boring. It should have been terrifying,
• 4:40:45
  but they managed to make it dull.
• 4:40:46
  Think about what the other alternative would have been
• 4:40:49
  though. We would have had.
• 4:40:50
  Let's go Hitler without any emotional consequences for
• 4:40:53
  losing the baby and then she would have played pirate.
• 4:40:55
  I mean, it would be even worse, almost do that.
• 4:40:58
  As kind of like her overcompensating.
• 4:41:00
  Oh better. Yeah, it really does show me as
• 4:41:05
  well though. This the difference between
• 4:41:07
  watching this as a parent and not ending is so fucking sacred,
• 4:41:11
  I want a vom all over that end in.
• 4:41:13
  Instead, we had someone bombing all over the typewriting the
• 4:41:18
  script horses for courses is an eight, right?
• 4:41:23
  So night terrors is terrified. And in the bin we have went to
• 4:41:29
  the 11. So again what's coming to the
• 4:41:32
  cupboard, got into the cupboard. Yes.
• 4:41:34
  Been put in the cupboard. Locked away with the dolls and
• 4:41:38
  the street. He the kid is turning anything,
• 4:41:44
  you want to be Joe, so usually happens in a series 6, you know?
• 4:41:48
  Oh that's a point and we didn't apply the test.
• 4:41:51
  Dual, would you quite happily shoot this kid?
• 4:41:55
  Oh, you know I'm a bit of a quandary now.
• 4:41:57
  Actually he's very annoying. No, not right now.
• 4:42:02
  Just shove him in the cupboard, shove them in the cupboard
• 4:42:03
  without the way. Yeah.
• 4:42:04
  We don't race the 11th / kiss. Yes.
• 4:42:09
  All those Broody Bunch from The Forest of the night.
• 4:42:16
  Yes. Shoot a lot of them.
• 4:42:20
  Sorry, let's move on from Child, Slaughter.
• 4:42:22
  That's right. Darth Ford there, and we have
• 4:42:27
  talked through the 11 stories of series six.
• 4:42:30
  We have concerned. Six of them.
• 4:42:34
  To the cupboard, we have got five left going through into
• 4:42:38
  round two and which hopefully will be a lot quicker and so
• 4:42:43
  usually, very quick forever. It is what we'll see how we get
• 4:42:46
  on and we've got the curse of the black spot.
• 4:42:49
  We've got the rebel flesh and almost We've got the God
• 4:42:53
  complex. We've got the doctor's wife and
• 4:42:55
  we've got the girl who waited all ready fight in out the champ
• 4:42:59
  installed, you see me 6. So that was all very participial
• 4:43:03
  offers less star. Yes.
• 4:43:05
  Well I shall spin spin. Spin spin the wheel Justice.
• 4:43:08
  See how fast? The busted turns you want to
• 4:43:11
  clear your campus music or whatever you want to do house
• 4:43:13
  music. Go we're off.
• 4:43:16
  So first off is going to be the God complex.
• 4:43:21
  Which is going to take on. The black spot.
• 4:43:32
  Complex, for me. Joe's gone with the God complex.
• 4:43:35
  Michael, what are you going for? Gold complex.
• 4:43:38
  James. My two favorites are.
• 4:43:44
  This is the point where Toby haydock had a meltdown to do the
• 4:43:48
  same, and he's gonna have to be the God complex.
• 4:43:49
  It's the God, complex for me as well.
• 4:43:52
  What am I have a meltdown? Did you see him Flex earlier?
• 4:43:55
  I thought while him coming for me, so curse of the black spot
• 4:44:00
  is removed. Let's spin again.
• 4:44:06
  No, not come back again. Doing that.
• 4:44:11
  Oh, you are doing it different from World's, he just does
• 4:44:14
  whatever comes up. No, I am taking to be here.
• 4:44:17
  Looks advice were not having that one's cool.
• 4:44:21
  Destroy everything. We have got the gangas gang as
• 4:44:25
  two partner. That is gonna play off again.
• 4:44:29
  The doctors wife. The doctor's wife for me, it is
• 4:44:35
  the doctor's wife for me as well.
• 4:44:38
  Doctor's wife for me as well. I'm not joining the gang of you
• 4:44:42
  though. I'm going with the gang as
• 4:44:43
  you're going with the Ganges, right?
• 4:44:46
  And sad report though. Yeah, the doctor's wife goes
• 4:44:50
  through. Three to one there.
• 4:44:55
  Let's see what's in the semi-final.
• 4:44:58
  It's gonna be The girl who waited and it's gonna play.
• 4:45:05
  Not the girl who waited. It is gonna play.
• 4:45:12
  The God complex. That God complex easy girl who
• 4:45:17
  waited for me. So complex, gold complex.
• 4:45:28
  That's not that leaves that leaves the doctors wife and the
• 4:45:32
  God complex. They're more to fight for its
• 4:45:35
  oh, Should I let us have the final ones?
• 4:45:42
  Complex. Doctor's wife.
• 4:45:49
  I'm gonna stick with my Rankin and I'm going to see the
• 4:45:52
  doctor's wife. Michal.
• 4:45:57
  Oh, do I be true to my 60 for 60 or do I go or do I go against
• 4:46:02
  the grain? It's doctor's wife.
• 4:46:13
  His wife. Where are we?
• 4:46:14
  What does this mean? It is two for the doctors wife.
• 4:46:19
  It is one for the God complex. So, you can either make the
• 4:46:24
  doctor's wife, the winner, or you can take this to Deadlock.
• 4:46:30
  They're both so good. They're both by far the best of
• 4:46:34
  this seasonal thing. How do you feel about David
• 4:46:40
  Bowie's? You Stop trying to put him off.
• 4:46:44
  Let him make his own mind off. Stop interference.
• 4:46:47
  She's so great. This isn't she?
• 4:46:58
  Green Cloud around the TARDIS. This is genuinely the top, it's
• 4:47:02
  just made up of this, a bloody Moffitt season.
• 4:47:10
  Well, doctors wife, the doctor Sorry, James.
• 4:47:14
  I know probably should have been the God complex, but I just love
• 4:47:18
  the doctor's wife, maybe it's predictable win.
• 4:47:21
  And well, I think we said at the start dinner, there was no
• 4:47:25
  obvious winner here and I think as the time went on, I think the
• 4:47:29
  God complex was looking like it was going to take that position
• 4:47:32
  but it just goes to show you when you come on a Strictly,
• 4:47:36
  Come on hamster. Bucknell was gonna happen.
• 4:47:38
  At least, let's kill Hitler. Didn't win Jesus.
• 4:47:41
  Well, that's if you told us that the Curse of the Black Spot and
• 4:47:45
  The Gangsta pot, I would get through, I would have Oh I want
• 4:47:49
  to believe. Yeah very possibly.
• 4:47:58
  Oh it was it I mean there's been a little boy here but there has
• 4:48:04
  been some love too. Yeah and I yeah I mean that says
• 4:48:07
  God complex is gorgeous, you know.
• 4:48:10
  It is and doctors wife should work but just doesn't for me.
• 4:48:15
  Yep. Yep.
• 4:48:18
  No, it's going to show that in every sort of.
• 4:48:21
  Lump of shit. There's always a little gold
• 4:48:24
  nugget in there somewhere, doesn't it?
• 4:48:25
  It's called sweet corn. Oh thank you. oh, I think that
• 4:48:31
  this this series for all that, it's got its flaws, it's got its
• 4:48:35
  An arc that doesn't hang together.
• 4:48:37
  It's in Korea and its General sort of Not quite hitting the
• 4:48:43
  mark as a series. You know, there is individual
• 4:48:46
  Brilliance in there, like I say, I've got three episodes.
• 4:48:49
  I'm quite happy that they are among the 60 best Doctor Who
• 4:48:53
  stories. I've got, I would put really
• 4:48:56
  high in my new listings. I would say, you know, if the
• 4:48:59
  God complex had one, I've been quite happy with that but when
• 4:49:02
  the deadlock Comics would have won and On the basis that all
• 4:49:08
  four of us put that through. Yeah.
• 4:49:09
  Who had a tie that was gonna be the tiebreaker.
• 4:49:12
  So the governments would have won and I would have been it was
• 4:49:15
  that close? Yeah.
• 4:49:16
  And I would have been happy with that but I think the doctor's
• 4:49:18
  wife is an exceptionally good story in a very worthy winner.
• 4:49:21
  Like I think we can all agree even though the bulk of the arc
• 4:49:26
  stuff clearly doesn't work for a lot of us.
• 4:49:29
  It is ambitious, do ambitious. Yeah, but it is fucking
• 4:49:34
  ambitious and season. Definitely I would never this
• 4:49:37
  ambitious again possibly with Clara, but no, maybe flops.
• 4:49:44
  Hmm. Yeah, yeah.
• 4:49:45
  Yeah. Alright gentlemen, thank you so
• 4:49:52
  much for taking so much time to talk so much.
• 4:49:55
  Fantastic news about this series, a really appreciate it.
• 4:49:59
  Can you tell all the listeners at home, where we can find you
• 4:50:03
  out there once this finishes Michael okay, you can find me
• 4:50:09
  frequently turning up in the comments, so the episode just
• 4:50:12
  strictly You to make a mix of, all right.
• 4:50:23
  It's so funny you can find me on blue sky, blue sky, and the
• 4:50:28
  other place. I mean, I'm still on threads but
• 4:50:31
  I don't really go there. So so if Michael storm has and
• 4:50:35
  that's Sam and Jasmine both, those keep an eye on both feet,
• 4:50:38
  because I will be posting at my article by 60 for 60, which
• 4:50:41
  kicks off with the doctor's wife, and And with no spoilers
• 4:50:47
  but there's some there's there's more there's a lot of muffins,
• 4:50:49
  there's more Capaldi than there is sniff.
• 4:50:52
  And there's a little, there's at least two stories at least two
• 4:50:56
  stories from season 7 in there. Oh, how many jokes And top 60.
• 4:51:03
  Yeah, just for. Oh is it power of the doctor?
• 4:51:07
  No. Oh wow.
• 4:51:09
  That was no. That's another part of Wireless.
• 4:51:16
  James where can everyone find you?
• 4:51:18
  So, on Blue Sky. I mean, I'm technically still on
• 4:51:22
  the other place, but I very rarely use it and say, blue sky
• 4:51:25
  is my Ford. Um, I'm actually I've got a
• 4:51:29
  low-key podcast that I now do once a month on YouTube called
• 4:51:32
  three. Do who I'm the token.
• 4:51:36
  Brit, I'm the token intelligent one.
• 4:51:38
  So I'm a vaguely regular voice on power of three and pieces of
• 4:51:47
  83 in their extracts. And where was well, you do those
• 4:51:52
  readings fabulously? Well, I did actually if you go
• 4:51:55
  to, if you Google. So if you're such a HB who tube
• 4:52:00
  I have a YouTube channel with a lot more readings.
• 4:52:03
  Check it, including I think it's now 10 or 11, complete novels
• 4:52:09
  and about 15 short stories, completely novels, ya wowzers.
• 4:52:14
  Oh, definitely. Check out the.
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  I mean, I know this is delay going out, but the latest one
• 4:52:20
  went out, literally yesterday, a complete reading of Empire of
• 4:52:25
  death. Oh, so HB, who tube?
• 4:52:32
  Silent. Excellent.
• 4:52:34
  Joe. If you've got anything anywhere,
• 4:52:36
  people can find, you know, you shrinking.
• 4:52:39
  Violet everywhere know, just in the Travelodge by the sounds of
• 4:52:43
  it. Yeah, I'm in the Crawley ones,
• 4:52:45
  you're in the, what is it pay for an hour once Motel 6.
• 4:52:49
  Yes, really you're in and out very quickly, aren't you?
• 4:52:53
  No, well it's here, mostly here little trouble.
• 4:52:59
  Just don't have a double bed made out of two single push.
• 4:53:01
  Actually my honeymoon bed, I mean, I'm divorced now but they
• 4:53:06
  were actually two single beds pushed together.
• 4:53:10
  Welcome back to Strictly, Come Travel Lodge.
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  Twitter you'll find his own Blue Sky every now and again I don't
• 4:54:09
  have threads. Thankfully Wow, how do we end
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  this after five and a half hours?
• 4:54:16
  How do we end this James still hasn't eaten his dinner?
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  oh, Quickly in that case. Should we do the ending?
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  Okay. Thank you so much guys.
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  And Fraser, what have we got to do?
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  Okay. Priest.
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  No shit. That's you bitch.
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  Keep listening. He lived there.
• 4:54:43
  Goodbye everybody.