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- 0:03Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Mums Group you actually want
- 0:05Speaker 1: to be a part of. I'm Kate Torber and I'm
- 0:08Speaker 1: joined by my sisters and journalists, Amy and Sophie. Now,
- 0:12Speaker 1: I'm wondering if any other members of the Mums Group's
- 0:15Speaker 1: lives have been recently taken over by Woolworth's horseshoes.
- 0:19Speaker 2: I reckon that's a stupid question because they're literally drugs
- 0:21Speaker 2: for parents, I think. Like the effect that these things
- 0:24Speaker 2: are addictive, like I just want more and more. It
- 0:27Speaker 2: took me a while to get on board because I
- 0:29Speaker 2: had some automatically sent via an online shop. And I thought,
- 0:33Speaker 2: oh my God, these are just choking hazards. Like, I
- 0:34Speaker 2: don't need this plastic crap.
- 0:35Speaker 1: And then you guys were like, oh my God, I
- 0:38Speaker 1: want this one. And I suddenly have now sucked into this.
- 0:41Speaker 1: As soon as I found out there was a Lightning
- 0:43Speaker 1: McQueen one, because my son is obsessed, I was like,
- 0:45Speaker 1: I need it. And it's funny because I've always been
- 0:48Speaker 1: a sucker for anything that Woolies or Coles gives away.
- 0:51Speaker 2: Like, Even when I didn't have kids, I was collecting
- 0:54Speaker 2: the mini shop. The mini shop was so good. I
- 0:56Speaker 2: remember you were obsessed with that 10 years ago.
- 0:59Speaker 1: My mother-in-law even bought me like the little collector's album
- 1:01Speaker 1: that you put them in. I've still got them. I
- 1:02Speaker 1: should actually bring them out to show Jack. And that
- 1:05Speaker 1: was always my excuse to my husband. I'm sorry, I
- 1:07Speaker 1: need to collect these because one day I will have
- 1:10Speaker 1: a child who wants them. And it's funny because I
- 1:12Speaker 1: actually saved a bunch of these playing cards that were
- 1:14Speaker 1: like Disney ones. Jack loves them now and he also
- 1:17Speaker 1: loves the Ooshies.
- 1:18Speaker 2: You know you're really into it when you buy the
- 1:21Speaker 2: cardboard box display thing that the Ooshies go in. Like
- 1:24Speaker 2: I don't have one of those yet.
- 1:26Speaker 1: But it's really cute because.
- 1:28Speaker 2: Our mums got into it too. So every time we
- 1:30Speaker 2: take the little boys to her place, we do live unboxings.
- 1:33Speaker 1: And it's that element of just not knowing what's in there.
- 1:35Speaker 1: Except surprise. Except our mum's been calling them Oshies or something.
- 1:38Speaker 1: And I'm like, mum, it's not Osher Ginsburg.
- 1:40Speaker 2: I'm confused.
- 1:41Speaker 1: Is it Oshies? Because I heard people on TikTok calling
- 1:43Speaker 1: them different things.
- 1:44Speaker 3: Really?
- 1:44Speaker 1: I don't even understand where the term has come from,
- 1:47Speaker 1: what it means. They had them six years ago when
- 1:49Speaker 1: COVID happened. was, I was about to say was on,
- 1:51Speaker 1: but was happening. Yeah, I collected them then. I've still
- 1:53Speaker 1: got like some of the Lion King ones. I think
- 1:55Speaker 1: you're meant to actually put them on the end of pens.
- 1:57Speaker 2: I feel like people are going to be screaming at
- 1:59Speaker 2: this podcast, they're.
- 2:01Speaker 1: Going to be landfill. Look, we're going to look after them.
- 2:04Speaker 2: I think the mums understand, like this is a bit
- 2:06Speaker 2: of fun. Apparently they're so popular with school age kids
- 2:10Speaker 2: that parents are starting up WhatsApp groups where they're training them.
- 2:14Speaker 1: But apparently the kids aren't on board.
- 2:16Speaker 2: So the kids get to school after this deal's been
- 2:18Speaker 2: set up and then they renege on the deal. Well,
- 2:21Speaker 2: now in my algorithm on Facebook, I'm getting suggested ushy
- 2:24Speaker 2: groups and people are like, has anyone had seven of
- 2:27Speaker 2: the same one? Oh my God, that happened to me
- 2:29Speaker 2: on my online delivery. I opened up like five gold
- 2:33Speaker 2: ugly ones, but I've since come to realize that the
- 2:36Speaker 2: gold ones are rare.
- 2:38Speaker 1: Because I literally threw the other ones out.
- 2:39Speaker 2: I was like, I already got this one and threw
- 2:41Speaker 2: the rest out.
- 2:42Speaker 1: I've got to say, the selection of Disney characters is
- 2:45Speaker 1: pretty disappointing as a 90s kid. Like, you know, the
- 2:49Speaker 1: only good ones are the Lightning McQueen, the Toy Story,
- 2:52Speaker 1: and then the rest. I'm like, I don't even know
- 2:54Speaker 1: who you are and who always suggests to have Fucking
- 2:57Speaker 1: Star Wars. I can't stand it. They're ugly.
- 3:00Speaker 2: Actually, I like the like baby Yoda. That's what I want.
- 3:02Speaker 2: But all the rest, don't like them. Maybe we should
- 3:04Speaker 2: come up with a mum's group trading page for those
- 3:06Speaker 2: that are seriously into it.
- 3:07Speaker 1: I'm not that far into it. Some of them are scary.
- 3:10Speaker 1: Like Jack will open them and be like, oh, oh. Yeah,
- 3:12Speaker 1: that's what I'm taking out of the pack. I mean,
- 3:14Speaker 1: they are for kids three plus. But I'd like to
- 3:17Speaker 1: know if anyone else in the mum's group is trading Ooshies.
- 3:20Speaker 1: Is there one that you've got your eye on that
- 3:22Speaker 1: you really want? You realise what's going to happen?
- 3:24Speaker 2: In 25 years, Jack's going to come over and you're
- 3:26Speaker 2: going to have this huge box full of Ooshies and.
- 3:29Speaker 1: Like, just take him. I don't want him. No, you
- 3:31Speaker 1: save them for the grandkids and then they're going to
- 3:33Speaker 1: love them. Despite the excitement that Ooshies have brought to
- 3:36Speaker 1: our everyday life recently, how have your weeks been going?
- 3:40Speaker 2: I've been feeling it this week because Luke is going
- 3:42Speaker 2: through a sleep regression because he's just started walking, but
- 3:45Speaker 2: he's still trying to master it.
- 3:47Speaker 1: It's so cute.
- 3:48Speaker 2: I think the most steps he's done now is 18
- 3:50Speaker 2: and he holds his little hands up in the air
- 3:51Speaker 2: when he does it. It's adorable, but like it is
- 3:54Speaker 2: completely impacted his sleeping. And I, the week before, cause
- 3:58Speaker 2: I get given a sleep summary every night by my
- 4:01Speaker 2: nanette machine.
- 4:02Speaker 1: It told me that his sleep score was.
- 4:03Speaker 2: 99 and I just knew cause I was like, wow.
- 4:07Speaker 2: Like I sort of, every time I get given a
- 4:09Speaker 2: new one, I sort of gloat. I'm like, Oh, look
- 4:11Speaker 2: how well he's sleeping. But then like a slap to
- 4:13Speaker 2: the face, this sleep regression has started.
- 4:16Speaker 1: I just knew it was going to happen. What scores
- 4:17Speaker 1: have you been getting?
- 4:18Speaker 2: Oh, I actually haven't been checking because I think it's
- 4:20Speaker 2: bad for my mental health. But basically, he's been waking
- 4:24Speaker 2: up at least once a night, these random times, just
- 4:27Speaker 2: crying out.
- 4:28Speaker 1: And- Yeah. You forget how.
- 4:31Speaker 2: Badly it impacts your sleep. I have just been probably
- 4:34Speaker 2: not fun to be around. And this week you've also
- 4:36Speaker 2: given up Pepsi Max, like we spoke about.
- 4:38Speaker 1: Not Pepsi Max, Coke No Sugar. Oh, sorry, Coke No Sugar.
- 4:40Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 4:41Speaker 1: It's not come at a good time. Not a good week.
- 4:42Speaker 2: I thought it could be funny to chat about some
- 4:45Speaker 2: of the things that you've done by mistake sleep deprived,
- 4:49Speaker 2: because I did a pretty embarrassing one on the weekend.
- 4:51Speaker 2: So we went for this nice brunch on Sunday. It
- 4:54Speaker 2: was a kid-free brunch with our cousins. And We met
- 4:56Speaker 2: at this beachside cafe, which is really popular. And the
- 5:00Speaker 2: way that it's set up, you have to go down
- 5:02Speaker 2: this hill basically to check if there's any parks. And
- 5:05Speaker 2: I wasn't very optimistic. I thought, I'll just do a U-turn.
- 5:07Speaker 2: But then I saw there was a rock star park.
- 5:10Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my God, I can't believe.
- 5:12Speaker 1: I've lucked out. You were on the phone to me,
- 5:14Speaker 1: absolutely gloating. You're like pulled in because you've got this
- 5:17Speaker 1: on-running joke that my husband and I always get the
- 5:20Speaker 1: Rockstar parks and you're like, oh my God, I finally
- 5:22Speaker 1: got one. It's right out the front.
- 5:24Speaker 2: I was like, this is perfect timing.
- 5:25Speaker 1: I'm on time.
- 5:26Speaker 2: I don't have to walk down the hill anyway. And
- 5:27Speaker 2: you never get a park at this place. You have
- 5:29Speaker 2: to park miles normally.
- 5:30Speaker 1: Our spoken listeners will probably recall a road rage story
- 5:33Speaker 1: you told about me that happened in this car park.
- 5:36Speaker 1: The parking is atrocious.
- 5:37Speaker 4: Hot property.
- 5:38Speaker 2: I have to also say I got distracted when I
- 5:40Speaker 2: pulled up because I saw you, Amy, and Stewie walking up.
- 5:43Speaker 2: I was like, this couldn't get any better. Got out
- 5:45Speaker 2: the park. Anyway, we had our nice breakfast. Then we
- 5:48Speaker 2: decided to go for a beach stroll. And my heart
- 5:51Speaker 2: literally sunk when I looked at my car. and realised
- 5:55Speaker 2: there was a large blue logo underneath. I had parked
- 5:58Speaker 2: in a disabled park.
- 6:00Speaker 1: Was it a pram park? I mean, you didn't have
- 6:01Speaker 1: your pram there anyway.
- 6:02Speaker 2: I felt like the biggest C-U-N-T on the planet.
- 6:05Speaker 1: I was embarrassed to be around you, to be honest.
- 6:07Speaker 4: I know.
- 6:07Speaker 1: Quite a few people looking at me when I got
- 6:08Speaker 1: out of the car, but I was like, oh. I
- 6:10Speaker 1: was ahead of you, Soph, and I looked and I thought,
- 6:13Speaker 1: that's not fucking Soph's car, is it, in the disabled?
- 6:16Speaker 5: In my defence.
- 6:16Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding me.
- 6:18Speaker 2: I looked up at the sign and the only sign
- 6:20Speaker 2: that I saw was a three-hour sign It literally had
- 6:22Speaker 2: a yellow box drawn around it. Anyway, as soon as
- 6:26Speaker 2: I saw, I rectified the situation. I quickly got out
- 6:29Speaker 2: of the park and found another one.
- 6:30Speaker 1: You should have just got your Nana out and were like,
- 6:32Speaker 1: my child only had.
- 6:33Speaker 2: A 30 sleep score last night.
- 6:35Speaker 1: Please take sympathy on me.
- 6:37Speaker 2: Well, I was so tired a few weeks back. that
- 6:40Speaker 2: I went to put on moisturizer.
- 6:42Speaker 1: So I don't actually use primer before I put on
- 6:44Speaker 1: my foundation, but I generally put on moisturizer from what's
- 6:49Speaker 1: around the ordinary. And you know how all of the
- 6:51Speaker 1: packaging is quite similar. Oh, that does my head and
- 6:54Speaker 1: I get so confused. I didn't realize, but I'd actually
- 6:57Speaker 1: put on makeup remover. So I'd put makeup remover on
- 7:02Speaker 1: and then put my makeup over the top. And I
- 7:03Speaker 1: was thinking, geez, this is really wet. Like what's going on?
- 7:07Speaker 1: So it was just literally eating away at my makeup.
- 7:10Speaker 1: It was so uncomfortable.
- 7:11Speaker 2: And it's hard because we wear Estee Lauder, which is
- 7:15Speaker 2: the double wear, which is quite a thick makeup.
- 7:18Speaker 1: That doesn't go anywhere.
- 7:20Speaker 2: So having that oily underneath and then the matte. I
- 7:23Speaker 2: noticed about half an hour later what had occurred and
- 7:26Speaker 2: had to redo everything.
- 7:27Speaker 1: My whole makeup. At least you didn't have to put
- 7:29Speaker 1: the remover on.
- 7:30Speaker 2: You could just slid off.
- 7:32Speaker 1: To make myself feel better, I had a look on
- 7:34Speaker 1: Reddit to see what other funny things people had done
- 7:36Speaker 1: sleep deprived. And one person said they tried to plug
- 7:39Speaker 1: their iPhone charger into their baby. What do you mean
- 7:42Speaker 1: into your baby?
- 7:42Speaker 2: Well, they were so tired that they thought that that's
- 7:44Speaker 2: where the charger went. Someone else said they tried to
- 7:47Speaker 2: use toothpaste instead of nappy cream.
- 7:50Speaker 1: Wait, what? That would be That would sting, wouldn't it?
- 7:52Speaker 2: I know.
- 7:53Speaker 1: And another person said that they shook a bottle of
- 7:55Speaker 1: formula without the lid on. This reminded me of when
- 7:58Speaker 1: I scolded myself during a late night feed because I
- 8:02Speaker 1: thought it was a good idea to put piping, like
- 8:04Speaker 1: pour piping hot water into the bottle whilst holding it. Oh,
- 8:07Speaker 1: that reminds me of the days when you were doing
- 8:09Speaker 1: multiple night feeds and I would do the 2am feed
- 8:12Speaker 1: and my husband would do the 5am feed. But because
- 8:14Speaker 1: I was pumping milk, I'd have to wake up at
- 8:17Speaker 1: 5am and then pump milk and then go put it
- 8:20Speaker 1: in the fridge. And I was so tired. I remember
- 8:22Speaker 1: knocking it over and everyone says, don't cry over spilt milk.
- 8:25Speaker 1: But God, did I cry. It was just like watching
- 8:28Speaker 1: liquid gold just vanish. It was so upsetting. It's the
- 8:31Speaker 1: worst feeling.
- 8:32Speaker 2: The other worst feeling is when you forget to put
- 8:33Speaker 2: it in the fridge and then you can't use it anymore.
- 8:35Speaker 1: Oh, I hate that. Someone else on Reddit said that
- 8:38Speaker 1: they tried to feed a baby a bottle without putting
- 8:41Speaker 1: the teat on it.
- 8:42Speaker 4: Oh God.
- 8:43Speaker 1: And another said they tried to put the broom in
- 8:45Speaker 1: the fridge. Oh, I can relate to that. There's been
- 8:47Speaker 1: so many instances where I've put things.
- 8:50Speaker 2: Like cheese or yogurt just in our pantry cupboard instead
- 8:54Speaker 2: of the fridge, just because I've been.
- 8:55Speaker 1: Like, oh, and isn't the worst when you go looking
- 8:57Speaker 1: for it and then you're like, where is it? And
- 8:59Speaker 1: you're like, oh God. My toxic trait. is that when
- 9:03Speaker 1: my kids start to like something, even just a little bit,
- 9:06Speaker 1: I will run.
- 9:07Speaker 2: I will run barefoot.
- 9:11Speaker 1: Okay? It's wild. My son likes cars. He likes Disney cars.
- 9:16Speaker 1: So now I've taken it upon myself to order Disney
- 9:19Speaker 1: cars on eBay, collector items.
- 9:23Speaker 2: Micro-influencer Montana Older has been accused of mum-shaming after sharing
- 9:27Speaker 2: a TikTok declaring, She'd never spend a night away from
- 9:31Speaker 2: her children unless she was giving birth. Now, Kate, before
- 9:34Speaker 2: we get into the drama, who is Montana?
- 9:37Speaker 1: Well, she is a 27-year-old content creator from Melbourne who
- 9:41Speaker 1: shares her life as a stay-at-home mum. Now, she's got
- 9:44Speaker 1: around 7,500 followers on TikTok and 3,000 on Instagram. Despite
- 9:50Speaker 1: not having a massive following, though, she has made headlines
- 9:53Speaker 1: over the years for discussing a lot of taboo topics, including...
- 9:57Speaker 1: not using conventional sunscreen. her anti-vax views, and how she
- 10:01Speaker 1: feels no guilt around living off her husband's income. She
- 10:04Speaker 1: actually called us out on her platform recently when we
- 10:07Speaker 1: had ads promoting vaccination. She was very unhappy about it. Now,
- 10:12Speaker 1: she also speaks a lot about her Christian faith. And
- 10:16Speaker 1: she's got three daughters and has a fourth baby on
- 10:19Speaker 1: the way.
- 10:20Speaker 2: Now, she recently divided opinions when she shared a TikTok
- 10:23Speaker 2: that said, want to know what kind of mum I am?
- 10:26Speaker 2: The only night I've spent without my kids was when
- 10:28Speaker 2: I gave birth to one of their siblings.
- 10:31Speaker 1: I mean, she's got four kids.
- 10:32Speaker 2: That's at least three nights away, isn't it?
- 10:34Speaker 1: Well, she's got number four on the way. So she's
- 10:36Speaker 1: due to have a night off soon.
- 10:38Speaker 2: Now, this video went pretty viral. It's amassed over 288,000 views.
- 10:40Speaker 1: I can see why. It was very divisive. A lot
- 10:45Speaker 1: of mums felt like they were under attack. One woman wrote,
- 10:48Speaker 1: just commenting to remind mums reading this that it is
- 10:50Speaker 1: okay to need a break. Now, Montana replied to the
- 10:53Speaker 1: comment saying, of course it is. This is about leaving
- 10:55Speaker 1: them overnight. Another said, oops, I've had a mum's weekend
- 10:59Speaker 1: away and it was the most refreshing little weekend. Took
- 11:02Speaker 1: almost two years to go, but definitely will do it
- 11:04Speaker 1: at least once or twice a year now. To which
- 11:06Speaker 1: Montana replied, there's nothing wrong with that. People are taking
- 11:09Speaker 1: this the wrong way.
- 11:10Speaker 2: Ha ha.
- 11:11Speaker 1: I could never while my girls are so little but
- 11:14Speaker 1: love that other people do it. Doesn't that just rub
- 11:16Speaker 1: you up the wrong way? It's like, oh, I couldn't
- 11:18Speaker 1: possibly do it.
- 11:19Speaker 2: I'm so virtuous that I personally couldn't be away from
- 11:22Speaker 2: my kids. It's fine if you guys can be.
- 11:24Speaker 1: There were some people who agreed with Montana. Someone wrote,
- 11:27Speaker 1: people are so weird in the comments. I'm so with you.
- 11:30Speaker 1: To which Montana replied, didn't expect it to be honest.
- 11:33Speaker 1: Motherhood isn't a competition. I'm not better than another mum
- 11:36Speaker 1: because I don't want to leave my kids overnight. Hang on,
- 11:39Speaker 1: you're the one that was making it a competition by
- 11:41Speaker 1: putting this up on TikTok.
- 11:42Speaker 2: It's so funny because Montana's video has actually sparked a
- 11:45Speaker 2: trend amongst other mum creators.
- 11:47Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to one of them.
- 11:50Speaker 4: Okay, so I just need to have a quick rant
- 11:52Speaker 4: about how you could purposefully leave your kids for a night.
- 11:57Speaker 4: It is beyond me how you could grow a baby,
- 12:01Speaker 4: birth a baby, and then purposefully choose to leave your
- 12:06Speaker 4: kids for a night. There is no way in the
- 12:09Speaker 4: world I would ever leave my kids for a night
- 12:14Speaker 4: because I'm gone for the whole fucking weekend, baby.
- 12:18Speaker 2: I love that this has become a trend. Like, all
- 12:20Speaker 2: the mums are.
- 12:20Speaker 1: Like, fuck off, we deserve a night off. Just, we
- 12:23Speaker 1: deserve a weekend off, in fact. What I don't like
- 12:26Speaker 1: about it is the mum shaming because... I have to
- 12:28Speaker 1: put my hand up. I have not had a night
- 12:30Speaker 1: away from my son and he's two years old. And
- 12:34Speaker 1: I have a weekend coming up. We're going to go
- 12:36Speaker 1: and see Hilary Duff. We're like broken records. We've been
- 12:38Speaker 1: talking about it a lot. And that is my first
- 12:41Speaker 1: weekend away from my son. And I'm already, even though
- 12:44Speaker 1: it's a couple of months out, feeling a bit apprehensive
- 12:47Speaker 1: about it because we're all saying, oh, it's going to
- 12:49Speaker 1: be a great weekend.
- 12:49Speaker 5: And it is.
- 12:50Speaker 1: But there's a part of me that It doesn't feel right.
- 12:53Speaker 1: Like I just think, oh God, I don't want to
- 12:55Speaker 1: be away from him.
- 12:56Speaker 2: It's the mum guilt though. We all inherently feel it.
- 12:58Speaker 2: That's why I think people get so mad when they
- 13:00Speaker 2: see videos like this, where it's literally someone going out
- 13:03Speaker 2: of their way to.
- 13:04Speaker 1: Almost make you feel bad and that you are doing
- 13:06Speaker 1: the wrong thing. Because at the end of the day,
- 13:09Speaker 1: even if you're going on this trip that you're really
- 13:10Speaker 1: looking forward to and you deserve it, you haven't had
- 13:13Speaker 1: a night away from your child for years, or even
- 13:16Speaker 1: if you have, even if it's something that you do regularly.
- 13:19Speaker 1: Majority of mums do feel guilty about it. It is
- 13:22Speaker 1: a biological thing and we don't need people on the
- 13:25Speaker 1: internet making us feel worse about it.
- 13:26Speaker 2: Well, at the end of the day, you can't pour
- 13:28Speaker 2: for an empty cup. You know, we're expecting these mums
- 13:31Speaker 2: to just sort of get on with it and not
- 13:33Speaker 2: have any time with their friends and to just be
- 13:36Speaker 2: a mum 24-7. But I'm sorry, that's not good for
- 13:39Speaker 2: your child or good for you.
- 13:40Speaker 1: It's interesting you say that because Montana touched on this
- 13:44Speaker 1: in a follow-up video. So she replied to a comment
- 13:47Speaker 1: saying that They thought what she said was pretty unhealthy.
- 13:51Speaker 1: And she was agreeing, saying like, oh, I know what
- 13:53Speaker 1: it feels like to be exhausted and how difficult it
- 13:56Speaker 1: is and how, you know, what it's like pouring from
- 13:58Speaker 1: an empty cup. And she was saying, you know, I'm
- 14:01Speaker 1: not perfect. But then she really doubled down and said this.
- 14:06Speaker 4: I don't know.
- 14:06Speaker 3: What has happened or how we've gotten to this point
- 14:12Speaker 3: as a society where we We are a bit taken
- 14:16Speaker 3: aback when we see a mum that's like, oh no,
- 14:18Speaker 3: I've never had a night away from my kids on purpose.
- 14:21Speaker 1: Like, I don't want to. And then we go, oh,
- 14:24Speaker 1: that's not healthy.
- 14:26Speaker 3: You know, we jump to all these conclusions. That's really weird.
- 14:29Speaker 1: You're a helicopter parent.
- 14:30Speaker 3: You're a this, you're a that.
- 14:33Speaker 2: What?
- 14:34Speaker 3: I grew these small children. I grew these babies. I
- 14:38Speaker 3: birthed them.
- 14:39Speaker 1: I brought them into the world.
- 14:40Speaker 3: God forbid, I want to spend every second of their
- 14:43Speaker 3: childhood to with them.
- 14:45Speaker 1: Like, God forbid. Look, obviously a beautiful sentiment saying that
- 14:51Speaker 1: you want to spend every second of your kid's childhood
- 14:53Speaker 1: with them. But I can see where people are coming
- 14:56Speaker 1: from saying that that type of rhetoric is unhealthy because
- 14:59Speaker 1: it puts a lot of pressure on parents who maybe
- 15:02Speaker 1: do want time away from their kids. It makes them think, oh,
- 15:04Speaker 1: is there something wrong with me? And also for Montana,
- 15:08Speaker 1: that's a lot of pressure. You are allowed to want
- 15:11Speaker 1: to be an adult sometimes and do adult things and
- 15:13Speaker 1: have time with your friends or your family or do
- 15:16Speaker 1: something for yourself. I mean, she said, oh, if you
- 15:18Speaker 1: invite me on a girl's weekend while my kids are
- 15:21Speaker 1: this little, I'm not going to go. All I need
- 15:24Speaker 1: is maybe an hour away to get a coffee and
- 15:26Speaker 1: that's me done. Now for the record, her kids are
- 15:29Speaker 1: six and a half, three and a half, two, and
- 15:31Speaker 1: she's pregnant. And she said, oh, I'm going to have
- 15:33Speaker 1: all the time I want when my kids are teenagers
- 15:36Speaker 1: or when they've grown up.
- 15:37Speaker 2: It's like, well, I've At the end of the day,
- 15:40Speaker 2: I feel like she's missed the mark clearly with this,
- 15:43Speaker 2: but I think she's really fired up because she's trying
- 15:46Speaker 2: to combat the negative things that a lot of people
- 15:49Speaker 2: say about stay-at-home mums. I think that that's why she's
- 15:52Speaker 2: so angered by it.
- 15:53Speaker 1: The thing is, as someone who is the primary caregiver
- 15:57Speaker 1: who works around their child's nap times, you know, does
- 16:01Speaker 1: all my work when I can, I think it's the
- 16:04Speaker 1: stay-at-home parent's who need a weekend away or a day
- 16:09Speaker 1: to themselves to recharge. And again, what I'm saying is, okay,
- 16:14Speaker 1: if that's what Montana wants to do and she doesn't
- 16:16Speaker 1: want to go on girls' weekends or needs a night
- 16:19Speaker 1: away from her kids, perfectly fine, but don't shame other
- 16:22Speaker 1: people who need it. That's the thing.
- 16:24Speaker 2: I'm also the primary caregiver for my son and I
- 16:28Speaker 2: find that when I don't have time to myself whether
- 16:32Speaker 2: it's to go out to a dinner with friends whilst
- 16:35Speaker 2: my husband looks after him or to go to a
- 16:37Speaker 2: lunch on the weekend or, as you say, to have
- 16:40Speaker 2: something like a weekend away to look forward to.
- 16:43Speaker 1: I'm not the best me. I'm not the best parent.
- 16:46Speaker 1: And you feel so much better when you have poured
- 16:49Speaker 1: into your own cup and then you're excited to get home. Like, again...
- 16:53Speaker 1: we mentioned at the start of the show, we had
- 16:55Speaker 1: brunch with our cousins. I was away for like two hours,
- 16:57Speaker 1: came back, was so excited to see my son. I
- 17:00Speaker 1: missed him. Well, you feel re-energized.
- 17:02Speaker 2: And the thing is like your kids don't want you
- 17:06Speaker 2: to be a.
- 17:06Speaker 1: Shell of yourself.
- 17:07Speaker 2: And even you've also got to think about your relationships
- 17:11Speaker 2: with other people. Like if all you have to do
- 17:13Speaker 2: is talk about your children, that's.
- 17:15Speaker 1: Not good either. Yeah, you need to maintain your friendships.
- 17:19Speaker 1: That's really important. I think motherhood can be so lonely and,
- 17:22Speaker 1: you know, if it's going on a girl's trip or
- 17:24Speaker 1: going out to dinner, like whatever it is, you do
- 17:27Speaker 1: need to make sure that you are keeping up with
- 17:30Speaker 1: your relationships and that is really tricky sometimes. when you
- 17:33Speaker 1: have children.
- 17:33Speaker 2: But it's also important for your children to build a
- 17:36Speaker 2: strong relationship with their other parent if there is an
- 17:40Speaker 2: other parent involved and.
- 17:41Speaker 1: Also with their relatives.
- 17:43Speaker 2: Like it's a beautiful opportunity for your child to have
- 17:46Speaker 2: a weekend away with their grandparents or aunties and uncles.
- 17:50Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of positives to also.
- 17:52Speaker 2: You getting some me time that are not only for
- 17:55Speaker 2: yourself but are for your child too.
- 17:58Speaker 5: I just was like, fuck, is it normal to feel
- 17:59Speaker 5: that accomplished over something so fucking stupid?
- 18:04Speaker 2: Nikki Westgard has got me thinking about all of the
- 18:06Speaker 2: little wins that you experience postpartum. So she gave birth
- 18:10Speaker 2: to her daughter Rafa earlier this year, and she was
- 18:13Speaker 2: talking about how she has never felt more accomplished by
- 18:17Speaker 2: basic things. So she said that she got really excited
- 18:20Speaker 2: for finishing her shampoo and conditioner at exactly the same time.
- 18:24Speaker 1: Let's listen to more of what she said.
- 18:26Speaker 5: It was kind of like, last shampoo squeeze, last conditioner squeeze.
- 18:33Speaker 5: And I went, that honestly felt real good it's like
- 18:38Speaker 5: when I use all the groceries in my fridge in
- 18:42Speaker 5: the week and there's like no waste it's kind of
- 18:44Speaker 5: like why do you get such a kick out of
- 18:46Speaker 5: those really simple kind of things like what else do
- 18:49Speaker 5: you get a kick out of that's hell basic.
- 18:52Speaker 1: From a productivity perspective, having your shampoo and conditioner finish
- 18:57Speaker 1: at the same time is great because you've only got
- 18:59Speaker 1: to do one order. That's ticking something off the mental
- 19:02Speaker 1: load very quickly. It was funny because I heard Ella McGrath,
- 19:05Speaker 1: who goes by the handle Smiley Citrus, talking about the
- 19:09Speaker 1: thrill that she got from finishing off her mustard. And
- 19:12Speaker 1: I have to admit, there is something really satisfying about
- 19:15Speaker 1: finishing a product. And it's funny because I'm like, oh, good,
- 19:19Speaker 1: this is out of my house. But then I have
- 19:21Speaker 1: to get a new one.
- 19:22Speaker 2: Do you know what I found really satisfying? It was
- 19:25Speaker 2: the bottle sterilizer. Like once you'd had the bottles on
- 19:28Speaker 2: that night and you could hear them going and it
- 19:30Speaker 2: heating up and it was just done.
- 19:32Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I'm on my laundry grind
- 19:35Speaker 1: at the moment. I am on the side of TikTok
- 19:37Speaker 1: that is all about decluttering and cleaning. And the biggest
- 19:41Speaker 1: tip is you've got to do a load of laundry
- 19:43Speaker 1: every day. It works. And I've got into this thing
- 19:47Speaker 1: of like, I must put it away straight away. Get
- 19:49Speaker 1: it out of the dry pool.
- 19:50Speaker 2: It away.
- 19:51Speaker 1: And there is such a good feeling about having nothing
- 19:55Speaker 1: in your laundry basket.
- 19:56Speaker 2: I now get a kick out of when I've made
- 19:58Speaker 2: a fresh batch of zucchini slice muffins for my son.
- 20:01Speaker 2: When I know that there's some in the fridge and
- 20:03Speaker 2: in the freezer ready to go, I actually noticed I'm
- 20:07Speaker 2: down to my last zucchini muffin today.
- 20:09Speaker 1: So i've got to do another batch tonight i mean
- 20:11Speaker 1: that's the worst but then also kind of oddly satisfying
- 20:14Speaker 1: because they all got eaten.
- 20:17Speaker 2: Uh well how did that job interview go um it
- 20:21Speaker 2: went swell thanks would you like me to give you
- 20:24Speaker 2: a detailed breakdown of my cv on a graph no
- 20:28Speaker 2: i'm all right um how did that thing with your
- 20:30Speaker 2: sister go by the way.
- 20:31Speaker 5: Um your free trial has ended to continue please upgrade
- 20:37Speaker 5: your plan.
- 20:40Speaker 4: What do you mean?
- 20:43Speaker 1: More and more women are using AI to help battle
- 20:45Speaker 1: the mental load of parenting. They're outsourcing household tasks to
- 20:50Speaker 1: the chatbot whilst claiming AI is a better co-parent than
- 20:54Speaker 1: their husbands. Well, that's a bit controversial. One woman leading
- 20:57Speaker 1: the charge is Lillian Smith, who went viral on TikTok
- 21:00Speaker 1: after admitting she uses chat GPT to help co-parent her child. Now,
- 21:05Speaker 1: she claims that her husband does provide some help but
- 21:08Speaker 1: admitted that she outsources 97% of her mental load to ChatGPT.
- 21:13Speaker 1: She's even begun selling courses to show other mums how
- 21:16Speaker 1: to do it. I wonder if that was an idea
- 21:18Speaker 1: from ChatGPT because that's pretty clever. I reckon that would
- 21:20Speaker 1: have helped out maybe.
- 21:22Speaker 2: I was interested to see how ChatGPT helped with the
- 21:25Speaker 2: mental load. So apparently she gets it to create meal plans,
- 21:29Speaker 2: find birthday gifts, write cards, write the grocery list, And
- 21:33Speaker 2: it even helps her handle her toddler's tantrums. So she
- 21:36Speaker 2: said it allows her to switch her brain off for
- 21:39Speaker 2: a second.
- 21:39Speaker 1: I get a lot of shit from you and Amy,
- 21:42Speaker 1: whose side note has disappeared from the majority of this
- 21:45Speaker 1: podcast because her son Harry woke up. Letting down the
- 21:49Speaker 1: fourth wall there because I feel like everyone else will
- 21:51Speaker 1: get that who's listening to this podcast.
- 21:52Speaker 2: I feel like people can hear him in the background
- 21:54Speaker 2: as well.
- 21:54Speaker 1: Yes, he is crying at the moment in the background. Now,
- 21:58Speaker 1: I am someone who gets a lot of shit for
- 22:01Speaker 1: using ChatGPT.
- 22:03Speaker 2: I haven't thought to use it as a co-parent though.
- 22:05Speaker 2: I often just use it as a therapist when I'm
- 22:07Speaker 2: feeling really health anxious. See, I use it for parenting stuff,
- 22:11Speaker 2: but I wouldn't call it a co-parent. I think that's
- 22:12Speaker 2: a bit of a burn to her partner. I mean,
- 22:14Speaker 2: I used it a lot in the early newborn days
- 22:18Speaker 2: when I was panicking about everything. And I feel like
- 22:21Speaker 2: it gave me some sort of reassurance, like it gave
- 22:23Speaker 2: suggestions of what I should do or told me that
- 22:25Speaker 2: I was doing the right thing. And because it's so
- 22:28Speaker 2: kind to you, sometimes.
- 22:29Speaker 1: It's like, I can see that you're stressed. That's fine.
- 22:32Speaker 2: I mean, Molly May infamously used it when her daughter
- 22:35Speaker 2: Bambi was biting kids at daycare, didn't she? She said, now,
- 22:39Speaker 2: because she got contacted by the daycare and they said, look,
- 22:43Speaker 2: she's bitten a child.
- 22:44Speaker 1: She needs to be taken home.
- 22:45Speaker 2: And this wasn't a Friday and their Friday tradition was
- 22:48Speaker 2: to get ice cream afterwards. And her sister was basically saying, look,
- 22:52Speaker 2: we can't take her for ice cream. It's just rewarding her.
- 22:55Speaker 2: So she went to chat, asked her whether that would
- 22:58Speaker 2: encourage the behavior. Chat actually said no, because they said
- 23:01Speaker 2: that the ice cream was quite a time after the
- 23:04Speaker 2: biting incident took place and that toddlers can't actually meet
- 23:07Speaker 2: up those two things and see that as a repercussion.
- 23:09Speaker 1: I mean, it makes sense. At the end of the day,
- 23:12Speaker 1: parents are taking advice wherever they can get it. I mean,
- 23:16Speaker 1: mostly when I was going through the newborn stage, I
- 23:18Speaker 1: was taking advice from TikTok and Dr.
- 23:20Speaker 2: Golley.
- 23:21Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of the things you see on TikTok,
- 23:22Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this parent's tried this. Maybe I should
- 23:25Speaker 1: try it. I don't know if what Lillian is doing
- 23:27Speaker 1: is so revolutionary. I think that AI is infiltrating most
- 23:31Speaker 1: of our lives in a way where we use it
- 23:34Speaker 1: as a search engine. What I love about it is
- 23:37Speaker 1: the fact that if you have a login, it does
- 23:40Speaker 1: keep a record of what you ask it. So if
- 23:42Speaker 1: you are monitoring something like a health thing or, you know,
- 23:46Speaker 1: you've got that timeframe around it and it remembers and
- 23:49Speaker 1: it can bring situational stuff into a new question that
- 23:52Speaker 1: you're asking.
- 23:54Speaker 2: I have actually used it to also make meal plans
- 23:56Speaker 2: for my son before. And it just gives you a
- 23:59Speaker 2: whole lot of ideas. I mean, it's just drawing a
- 24:00Speaker 2: lot of information together.
- 24:02Speaker 1: It's interesting that she used the term co-parent because to me,
- 24:06Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a cry for help in
- 24:08Speaker 1: the sense that she doesn't feel like her husband is
- 24:11Speaker 1: actually not even just helping with the mental load, but
- 24:15Speaker 1: also helping emotionally available to have conversations because I think
- 24:19Speaker 1: a lot of people actually rely on ChatGPT to have
- 24:25Speaker 1: a conversation back and forth because obviously it answers you,
- 24:27Speaker 1: it listens to you and people feel really validated by
- 24:31Speaker 1: that behavior and that's why people constantly use it because
- 24:34Speaker 1: there is no stupid question.
- 24:36Speaker 2: I mean, Kate does have a love affair with her
- 24:38Speaker 2: chat bot.
- 24:39Speaker 1: I feel like I need to name it. It's funny,
- 24:41Speaker 1: I heard people saying like, do you imagine your chat
- 24:44Speaker 1: as a girl or a boy? Like what's yours?
- 24:47Speaker 2: God, I'd say no gender to be honest. I don't
- 24:49Speaker 2: imagine it as anyone. I don't have that much of
- 24:52Speaker 2: a relationship with it.
- 24:53Speaker 1: What's yours? Now that you say it, I don't really know.
- 24:56Speaker 1: Like I feel like mine's changed recently. Like it's a
- 24:59Speaker 1: lot more caring towards me.
- 25:01Speaker 2: See, maybe I do think female.
- 25:03Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 25:04Speaker 1: Like a friend.
- 25:05Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 25:05Speaker 1: I was joking. I actually didn't want to say this
- 25:07Speaker 1: on the podcast because I don't think she would listen.
- 25:09Speaker 1: But my dermatologist, my husband and I were joking because
- 25:12Speaker 1: whenever I go in, she knows that I'm really anxious
- 25:15Speaker 1: and she's so nice to me. And Reese was like, oh,
- 25:18Speaker 1: she's like your chat.
- 25:21Speaker 2: On that note, I think that is all we have
- 25:23Speaker 2: time for today. Thank you so much for joining us
- 25:25Speaker 2: for this episode. If you have enjoyed it, and you
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