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Episode 192 | TATTA · Corie Sheppard Podcast

• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode 192 of the Corey Shepard Podcast, slowly but surely, making our way to 200 episodes, slowly but surely.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Now the debate over the course of the week.
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to everybody who's been listening, welcome to all the new listeners.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: Glad to have you on board.
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: Nice to have you here.
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: Share with a friend.
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: Right, if you're watching news this week.
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: Right, and I want.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: This episode is about duality.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: Let me come out the gate and talk about this.
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: Right, it's about duality, plenty, plenty duality in this thing.
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: And if, if you follow politicians and people who are interested in making me divided and separate, it easy to forget what we really are, you know, and where we really come from.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: And boy, let me tell you something the greatness of this place we gonna really find out when we try to stop trying to separate.
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: It's black from white, from india, from jundan, from tobago.
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: The day we, the day we go back to the villages that we really come from and live the way we really live as trin de gonians, all that go down, you know.
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: So only want to get into some duality, tell me, tell me, give me a little, give me a little, a little, a little.
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: My God, Thank you me if there was an unlikely combination in soca and dance we call it soca and calypso.
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: That would be it right.
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: Who would have thought you would hear sunny man, general grant and denis belfoyle in one combination?
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: But I think Calypso, that would have been it right.
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: Who would have thought you would hear Sonny Mann, general Grant and Dennis Belfort in one combination?
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: But I think it's a good song for you to open with, because that resembles me more than this talk I see about coat of arms and if we should remove the boats.
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: I only know my position on removing the boats and them kind of things.
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: They didn't want to put me in charge of no committee like this.
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: If they put me in charge of a committee like this, all they want to talk about is forgetting history.
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: It's the fastest you can go, so you forget a lot of history.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: If you put me in charge of any committee Responsible for naming things, renaming things, telling true stories, revisionist history, all they could put me in charge of that.
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like where are you signing for them?
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: Kind of work.
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: Where are you signing for them?
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: Kind of way.
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: Sign for them kind of.
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: I saw over the course of the week this cut this debate about moving the what, what they call the thing again, the margarita, the martini, whatever the three boat name, the.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: The debate about moving them three boats as if we care about these three boats over the thing and putting a steel pan, started go down the road of divisiveness and division.
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: Which boy listen?
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: Trinidad and tobago is a place where you could bet your bottom dollar.
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: They have a few people who very interested in pushing these kind of narratives, so any chance they get to talk about it or to carry it down that road, they were carried down the the road.
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: So in me posting about this during the course of the week which again I don't like to do, I'd rather come here and talk where I could just distill my thoughts, spend some time, figure out exactly what I want to say, rather than posting and have people respond.
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: But one of the responses I saw from a friend of mine who grew up in St James with me and St James is St James is a good place to study and I'm sure the place you grew up to about how people just grew up together and the politics.
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: How we vote is not how we party, kind of thing right.
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: And I post the thing about the boys.
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: If you listen to me long enough, you know I'm glad the boat's gone.
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: I find the helm should go.
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: I understand the tree on top is from Tobago.
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: Now it's time to get a little thing pieced together.
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: But wherever that shield come from that look like a shield of wickedness, they should redo the whole thing from start, right, and we find one of the men responsible for it.
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about that today too.
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: But when you talk against this thing, it's funny how quick some people are to defend the colonial master.
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: You know, white man, do a job on me.
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: You know the white man, do a job on me.
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: They do a job on me.
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: The whole idea of divide and conquer it works so well because when, even when you make things like, make moves like this, which I see to be very, very simple, I debate this startup about thing and bet your bottom dollar, the debate going down racial lines, it is going to degenerate into racial arguments at some point in time.
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: Right, and, like I said last week, we find purpose, right, we purpose is is to.
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: So to just remind people because as an individual, I very, very forgetful.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: Right, I very forgetful, but as a country or institution or nation, we even more forgetful.
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: So let me, let me do some reminding.
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: Let me play my role here this week, because this stupidity, this nonsense notion that steel ban is african and not of indian, and tassa is indian and not of africa, garbage, nonsense, foolishness, sanitation what was another, another synonym for rubbish?
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: Rubbish is nonsense.
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know where it come from and what what there is that can, uh, allowing that to continue, and one of my fears and one of my one of what, one of the things that has drive me to do this, is that the the world is start when you're born.
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: So when I, when I look at, uh, the 80s, it's almost like when you come here, I know the 80s has throwback music.
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: So when I go now and I hear people, the DJs say, boy, we're going to play some old school, and I hear the old school is from 2014, 15.
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: You start to realize that or accept that the world really starts when people are born.
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: So my son is 11, 12 is 11, 12, 12 is happy, belated birthday boy.
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: Man now turn 12 or so day about and for him, understand that what he's going to call real old school is marshall and them kind of thing where we find current, not, not, not, not big truck, marshall.
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: You know he going and find last year marshall and year before marshall that is what he going and refer to as old school.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: Because your world starts when you arrive.
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: Everything else is sung like.
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: I tell you, when they used to tell me about black and white and stuff, I didn't realize what tv they're talking about.
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: You know, I thought the whole world was black and white and then color appear magically one day.
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: I was the smartest child.
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: So it's a dangerous thing to put out notions there Like Indian people don't like steel band and the nut of steel band and the nut that's an African thing.
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: So that when you move the three boats the three, what do you call them fishing boat, when you move them and you put a steel band, that's an African thing and now it is excluding Indian people.
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: That is a dangerous notion.
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: I can't let that continue.
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: I can't let that stay out there, because people who hear this stupidity now that going on in the papers over the last week, young people are saying they're not me and you all hardback people who know different, the younger people today could easily believe that and run with that and then that become the reality, just like how.
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: Now it is important for us to whatever you want to call you right history, we must I I more call it tell the story from our viewpoint.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: It's important for us to do that today.
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: But when you do, when you, when you leave debates like these out in the open and troublemakers come and talk nonsense and then nonsense start to become fact, we have a problem, you understand.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: Understand, we have an issue Because the idea that our culture is this and our culture is this, our culture is our culture, the notion that there's some racial line about where our culture is starting and where it's stopping, what belongs to India and what belongs to Syria and what belongs to China and what belongs to it, does not exist.
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: To blah, it does not exist.
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: It certainly don't exist in the way we operate on a day-to-day basis.
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: So I want to read for you one of the troublemaking epics, um articles here.
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: It's a little akash samaru from the guardian association tassa, more local than steel pan Minister and Pantry Bego boss disagree as coat of arms debate rages.
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: I thought this was done.
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: I thought the boats on them sink, were good to go From Raka Samarit.
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: As the TASA Association of Trinidad and Tobago has joined the debate on the altering of the coat of arms, boldly claiming that the TASA drum is more of a local instrument than the steel pan.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: Tatt's assertion came hours after Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley stated the simple reason the steel pan was considered for the new coat of arms, where it will replace Columbus's three ships, is because that instrument was invented here and is indigenous to this country.
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: I thought this was widely accepted.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: But what the hell I know?
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: I also thought steel band was our national instrument, which apparently just changed recently, right?
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: Dr kid roly made the comment during the pnm's uh la joqueta, talpa rocan constituency conference at phase two, la joqueta, on tuesday night, where he noted that as as much as people may like the tasa and other instruments, their origins are from other countries.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: I also thought that was common knowledge.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: But while acknowledging and supporting the steel pan as the country's first national instrument, tad said yesterday, no part of the steel drum is from Trinidad and Tobago, as it is a fully imported metal container that came from other countries into Trinidad came from other countries in the Trinidad.
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: In contrast, tatsa the Tasa, which is also played every day in this country, is fully made with no imported materials.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: The skin is from our local goat.
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: When last he see a Tasa drum?
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: The skin is made from our local goat, sheep or deer.
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: The sticks are made from local wild sugar cane.
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: The bowl is made from TNT clay.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: When last this man see a tassel drum?
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: Tassel has come a long way.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: I wonder if you have one.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: The bowl is made from TNT clay and the base is made from the mango tree.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: Tad said, adding that even the tambu bamboo instrument is more indigenous to this country than the steel pan.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: Offering its version of the history of steel pan, tad said what was done in Trinidad with the imported steel drums was the retuning and fine-tuning of the steel drum slash pan into a full musical instrument.
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, he acknowledged that.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, I got you.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: Tad claimed the imported steel drum metal container already came with a sound.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: That is true, I forget to know, but before it was developed into the steel pan, I think the first step of it was at Dudup and what he used to beat is oh, here we are actually.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: Tad claimed the imported steel drum metal container also came with a sound already came with of sound.
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: However, it thanked the nation's ancestors for rebelling against their colonial masters to set off a chain of events which led to the creation of Steelpad.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: I want to read this again.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: He said it thanked the nation's ancestors for rebelling against the colonial masters to set off a chain of events which led to.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: So you don't see the removal of the boats as the same rebellion against the colonial masters Somewhere along the line?
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: Instead of trying to shift the debate to say we should have the steel pan and the tassel, we let the colonial master get under his skin and now we're debating the steel pan or the tassel.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: What you should be talking about is great.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: We have the steel band.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: How are we going to get the taser there?
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: How are we going to get Tambu Bamboo?
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: I don't understand where the thing shifts, but anyway, if the colonial rulers did not ban the sound of what they call noisy sounds of the bamboo and biscuit tins, accusing the slaves of communicating via those instruments, today we would not have known the steel drum as an instrument as we know it, because the discarded empty steel drums were then used and started with a two-note called the dildop right.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: However, even with that historical context, to compare both instruments, it's clear the steel drum is a foreign metal instrument and the tasa is a 100% local instrument.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: This is the problem.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: This is the issue.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: This is what this episode is dedicated to.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: Randall Mitchell disagrees, right, but I want to voice my own disagreement with his statement, one of the things that the colonial master was very good at.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Let me talk about African ancestry for a minute.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: You see this thing and you look at it in slavery or enslavement, in the south in america.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: You will hear a lot of discussion about the house negro versus the field negro.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: Pay some attention to that, right.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: Just google it.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: If you never hear.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: But, as I said, it will start when you're born, right?
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna assume you're talking to people who never hear about nothing before.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: Just google it and understand what that separation did.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: Understand what that separation did.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Understand that whole notion of light-skinned blacks versus black-skinned blacks, or blacks who talk proper versus blacks who don't know how to talk proper english, and so on.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: I just want you to pay a little bit of attention to that.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: And here in the caribbean, because it had two different journeys for people to come here under oppressive regimes, the same set of regimes bring both away and under different circumstances, but they're both oppressive.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: So this notion that slavery is this and indentureship is this, so that one starts to become better than the other, that is not found in me talking to an indian partner about something like we still have my boy brian here man.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: That is not found in in Brian looking at me.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: That is found in the pull in the politics itself which driven, and politics is a direct derivative of that colonial mastery, if you want to call it that right, because our political systems, our legal systems, they are still hand-me-downs from that same colonial framing it a matter of fact, it is the same, is the same exact thing's the same exact thing, to the point where Cartel had to go to England to find out he free.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: We're so like mastery, we're more comfortable when we have a master sometimes.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: So, instead of the Tassel Association of Trinidad and Tobago writing an article or coming out and making statements that say great, I like the direction we're heading here.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Because all them boats should go, because if there was a boat on that coat of arms, that was one of the boats that brought indentured laborers from India.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: The celebration around, moving that, steel that and putting Tassel anything else there.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: I almost don't care what they put.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: I want them to put something that is of Trinidad and Tobago.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: So instead of the tassel association coming and say, great, good move, the thing still has space.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: It still has space right, it has space on it.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Let we put a tassel, let we put a tambo bamboo, let us continue to build and celebrate the things that we celebrate.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: A glad steel panty.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: You could never tell me that.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: It could be a good thing that the head of the tassel association of trinidad and tobago could ever try to call into disrepute if pan is a local instrument or not, and the people who are part of the tassel association should be moving to remove this.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: President, whoever is the person who making these kind of statements should not be the head of no association, of nothing local the people in there.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: That's dangerous rhetoric, dangerous rhetoric.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: All it is is divisive.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Instead of just saying, hey, move that Wherever.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: The next thing is the shield, the face mask, move that.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: And I find there's a good space to put the tassel.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I agree with everything that he says about the tassel, but I can't believe that we entertain this nonsense where, in other words, to make yourself look good or to make the tassel look important, which to me is done good and supremely important in the culture of Trinidad and Tobago.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Your idea to do that is to tear down the steel pan.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I find it to be very disrespectful, and anybody who is a part of that institution.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: They're only now calling for the person who's making this statement, because this I'm not seeing something that's saying well, corey Shepard, the head of the Tassel Association, saying this.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: All it's saying is the Tassel Association of Trinidad and Tobago.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I also find this, akash, very strange.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I find this strange.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if this is you writing the article or you just take what was presented to you, but who is the person we want to know, who it is called for this, who it is saying this foolishness?
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: This is nonsense, nonsense.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: So you're planting a seed now to say steal pan from here, tassie from here.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: What is this notion of one being better than the next when you have two things that complement each other supremely well and two things that are equally of us, two things that the the argument that the prime minister or the government today making is that the steel pan was invented here.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know that.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: They need a second argument for that.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: That is clear.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: It is the only instrument that recognizes the instrument that was invented in trinidad and tobago.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: If the tassel association have anything that says, okay, we invented this here, focus on that, bring that to the forefathers, like we register that and we patent that.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: And let me make sure that I, we own two, let us have two instrument that invented here.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Why it had to be one at the expense of the other.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: So I just here, in my little role, you know, I mean in my role to, to, to, to dispel some of this foolishness and this barbershop talk and this garbage.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I I find it to be insulting because I listened to something during the course of this week where carlyle chang if you know the name, right, uh, designer, uh of his day, right, was one of the people who was on the committee.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: He was on the committee that was responsible for putting together the uh, the quota arms, right, and it was an interesting interview.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Now, granted, this interview is from a long time ago, right, and, of course, depend on dominic kalipas had to put these things out there to inform people, because I I did not, to tell you the truth, I talked about this last week, I didn't even think of the like who is the person who invented or designed the coat of arms?
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: And it's a knock on me to write how to take responsibility for that, because sometimes we look at these uh national emblems as if it born.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: So, you know, sometimes we forget that a man, a man, designed this.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: You know, somebody had to come up with some ideas and say that we designed it.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And I want to salute, I want to salute to Carl L Chang, because the man do the best he could with what he had at the time and listen the, the committee that they pulled together to do the, the, the.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I can't play the whole uh interview.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Please find dominic calipers and go and look at the whole interview.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Right, it's on his instagram and you'll see him talking and he say he say shame on the, the thing he come up with.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: But he spoke a lot about the fact that there was a committee that was put together to do this thing.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: They came to his art studio up on Frederick Street and when he heard of Frederick Street, he said for meetings and ideas and so on, and he said man, don't do a damn thing, including George Bailey, famous masked man, george Bailey.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: He said come the first meeting, never come back again.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: He said all the rest of them used to come eat a sandwich and when he say allli like this, they say yes, kalai.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: So poor Kalai, oli want Kalai to do.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Kalai, come up with something nice that is very representative of Trinidad and Tobago as we found our independence at the time.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I think he do a great job.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I like with coat of arms, I like with his look.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: He talk about the national flag right, in terms of design, because he also had to design the national flag.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: One thing that I found that stood out and I heard Maurice Burke talking about this idea of the national flag and not wanting to change it To lose Maurice of sliced bread fame.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Right, maurice was saying he don't like the idea of changing the national flag.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I also don't like it and I want to keep in mind that even though some of the things on the emblem come from the colonial world, it's designed by a trinidadian, so, almost by default, I love it, but I'm not against the idea of updating it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I I don't know that it erases it because paul's culture, and now they go out to learn that the coat of arms was this up to this day and now they change it to the steel pant and got me not to learn none of that remember them thing when they change thing and you had to go and figure out, well, what used to be on the steel and the only coat of arms before, the tassel, the tambo, bamboo and the pan and you have to remember.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Now, oh lord, you can't remember none of them thing when the time comes.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: But one of the things I like that he said in the interview was that a big part of what he wanted to accomplish with the designer of the national flag was that any school child could draw it.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I find that to be an important thing and it shows you like when you do work right and you put work out there, you publish something or you create something or you design something or you make something and that thing could stand up 50 something years.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: We need to run up to independence.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Right now, where I pass places today on the way to work and flags up already you know I mean people are the flags on display for independence.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: That must be a very, very proud thing for carlisle chang, his descendants and so on to be able to say, hey, my father designed that, my grandfather designed that, I do that work.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean and you hear him talk about well, one his frustration with the process because apparently people come on the game thing to do it and they leave him to do it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: But I'm glad that he did something that every school child could try and draw their explanation behind the part.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean every school child could try and draw whatever explanation behind the parts.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: He and also both some of the willy-nilly nature of some of the explanations about where, what, the meaning of the colors on the national flag and so on.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: But we want to salute him.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: We want to salute him for his work towards that and we want to call local designers of his stature today what would be the equivalent of the Carl L Changs or the George Bailey or the Leroy Clarks and so on, today that could come together and form a committee so we could forget the nonsense, this TASA man talking, and find a rightful place to do the TASA.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And I even saw somebody say, hey, they have no reason for coat arms to resemble a shield and a this and a that, this and that, even that of itself, is colonial.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's a good idea, to a good time, to look at the design of the whole thing and come up with what we feel it should be called, it should be.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: It should be what the name should be, what it should look like and so on, and put tasson right next to pan.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: It is, it is, even though tasson not invented here, at least hopefully it is.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: If only I could come and prove something that it is two better than one.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But if in fact it isn't, I don't see it as any less trinidadian than the steel band and I would love to have it represented as part of our national emblems because it is of us, and as I play the music today to suit this discussion of duality, All right, you made Trampone in a sharky baby.
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: And she being ran from East and West.
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: This pretty girl have me drunky all day, killing me with she fancy talk, this boy has a suit, and she blushing back at me.
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: But when I send my letter she won't send no answer.
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: So I hit the record shop.
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: In the records I buy up, when I read my email, she says stop, ricky, stop.
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: She said oh, the last time I get a car, give me a soca, ah, ah, ah ah.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: Oh, the last time I get a car, give me a soca.
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: Ah, ah, ah ah.
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: Take a move with her, love her.
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: So come meet her like, say say I'm a, so make sure to charge me for being racist and tell me don't take that chance with sheep.
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: Don't let me catch you in that foolishness Trying to reach the Indian in me.
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: Like you into politics, boy, you're coming on the troops.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: Boy, I'm a dream begonia.
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: I like sugar action, thank you.
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: So oh, ah, ah ah, tickle me with that la.
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: We so come meet, tell us, say, say ma, oh me, lots of man get got.
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: Give me so ca, ah ah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: Give me so ca, ah ah.
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: Give me so ca, ah, ah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: Give me so ca, ah ah.
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: Give me so ca, ah, ah, give me so mad.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: So make her back me into her corner.
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: She really catch me offside that night.
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: For so much years was the village joker, I don't know since.
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: When she gets so bright, make she draw a border between roots and culture.
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: She's a liberated song.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I want to hear loud voices calling for the removal of whoever in the tat responsible for that ridiculous statement and the whole notion, that whole divisive notion they're trying to push.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I'm from St James, tassa belong to me.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I'm from St James and pan belong to me.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: There are justified to nobody.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Nothing to put a tassel on.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Listen, I can't wait for the day, maybe, when the steel pan go for independence, the tassel go reach for the republic.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, according to the youths of today.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I'm here for that.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I'm here for it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I like it Now as much as at that.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: The, the, the notion, because the, the.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: When you see what follows on social media and why these rhetorics dangerous right, social media of course follow and went down a line almost as if to say, hey, what going on?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Pan is for black people and tASA is for Indian people.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: When they put the steel pan on the thing, nobody's saying it's more African, the steel pan is from Trinidad and Tobago.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: When the debate starts about TASA, nobody's saying it's more Indian, tasa is of Trinidad and Tobago.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: But of course, social media is read what they want to read into it and I find it's so obvious, it's so easy to see.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: So if you are the head of one of these institutions, if I were them, I would be very careful about the way I phrase statements.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: In other words, I put in things out there to unite rather than to divide, and this idea that Steelpan is anything other than Trinbeg Union.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I want to dispel that myth.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Let me look into some of the great.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: The greats, or the greatest people in the history of pan.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Just to respond to some of the facebook comments that seem to want to go down that road right I'm lennox bobby muhammad.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: I'm former leader and arranger rearranging music for the genus cavalier steel band.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: I'm musician and arrange for other bands too, and all that.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: I'm happy to have been picked by God, or chosen by God to do music.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, he gave everybody a different feel and I am so grateful that he chose me to do music in this field.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: I want to thank Mr Hollis Clifton so much for coming here.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I just want to play the voice of a man by the name of Lennox Bobby Muhammad.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Any known the name Bobby Muhammad by chance, david Rodda have a song by the name of Engine Room which I've played here many, two times.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I will spare you from that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I will spare you from that right now.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Right, but it have a part of the song that says Bobby Muhammad with the bell right, you know it.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: And there's a road in San Fernando.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Salute to everybody who in charge of San Fernando.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Right, I want to kind of give the bigger Regrelo the credit right, being the mayor of San Fernando.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm sure many, many people came before him and started to do that, but just like how we could remove the colonial past, the colonial past being removed piece by piece in San Fernando, where they have a street by the name of Lennox Bobby Muhammad Street.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I like it a lot.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Lennox Muhammad was born 2nd of June 1942 in Separia.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: His family moved to Monrepo in San Fernando.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: When he was nine years old he attended Presentation College.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not really the type of person who likes to come here and talk a lot about Presentation College and so on.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Not really the type of person who likes to come here and talk a lot about Presentation College and so on.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Right as a man of Fatima myself, I was a press menace guy for a while, but salute.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: He attended Presentation College and was a founding member of the Gondola Steel Band.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: He left and founded Cavaliers in 1961 with 18 parents.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Later that year, gondola and the Cavaliers faced each other in a competition to win sponsorship from Guinness Caribbean Limited, with the Cavaliers winning.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: The Cavaliers went on to win the 1964 Southern Steelband competition.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: In 1965, the Cavaliers took first place in Panorama competition, making Bobby Lennox, bobby Mohamed the youngest arranger to ever win Panorama.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: After placing second in 1996, mohmad and the cavaliers finished first again in 1967.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Muhammad was awarded with the gold hummingbird medal in 1992.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: In 2019, harris promenade east street me know who named harris.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: How about, if you had chance, go and google lord harris, right, if you had?
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I mean all this lord harris.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: No, because nobody know lord to me, but go and Google Lord Harris, right?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I may know this Lord Harris because nobody knows Lord to me, but you go and Google Lord Harris and see who he be.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: But the Harris Promenade East Street in San Fernando was renamed Lenox Bobby Muhammad Street in his honor.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Muhammad died on 25th of May 2021, at San Fernando General Hospital.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: The funeral held on the 1st of June.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: So, just in case, just in case, reading things that are commonly known to some but completely unknown to others, and I don't want you to feel like I'm just picking out a random person.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: If you feel like it's just a random person I'm picking out, I want you to go and ask somebody.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: You know what they say.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Better ask somebody.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Go and ask somebody who he was and what his contribution was to the steel band movement, because if they have people out there who want to put out these kind of narratives as if steel band is for anybody from Trinidad, kabiapata, steel band and so on them is dangerous narratives, dangerous, dangerous narratives.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: So if I have a little work to do to come here and dispel them things, let me do it, and I myself would hear that song.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: In general, I talk about how much I love this song, and a part of the reason I love this song so much is because there's a third verse in that engine room song where David Rudder take your time and structure a verse dedicated to several different pan men and call them by name iron men, pan, men, arrangers and so on, right and, and we call the people now because those things were a long time ago.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: It come like the people now want to erase that and put out their own history that I don't know what is, what was the agenda, what exactly they're trying to achieve or what they're trying to suit.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: But better I come and do a little work to let it be known what Steel Pan was about.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Anybody ever hear about a gentleman by the name of Jed Samaru?
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: ¶¶.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you ¶¶, ¶¶.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you, I'm happy I want somebody.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: When I play them kind of things, right, you know, I always remember somebody telling me listen.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: When I go in from Brooklyn to so-and-so on the train every morning I listen to your podcast and when someone has music I picture people who hear them kind of sweet panu, missing home.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Salute, salute, salute, salute, salute to the great Jit Samarua.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: We just here to dispel notions and that's all we really come to do today.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: So I want to tell you that again, just as with Lennox, bobby Mohammed, we ain't talking about.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to come here and say you know, people like to use the exception to explain the rule, to say, well, it's about.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, you know, the white people like to say I have a black friend, I have, you know.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: They like to talk about their one black friend and to tell you it's no racism.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I want to tell you it's far from that right, because what I'm pulling out here is some of the.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that these were the two Indian people involved in pan and use this as justification.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: What I pull out for you here is the greats, the top of the line, cream of the crop, and Jit Samaru was cream of the crop.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Jit Samaru was no average man.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I I hear people talk about Jit Samaru almost in passing like they say yeah, jit Samaru was in pan too.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: So you can't just say pan, jit Samaru, if you, if you didn't know, for the longest while held the title as being the arranger who has won the most Panorama titles.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I always come here and talk about Kitchener a lot, right, how Kitchener has so much song that went Panorama.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: The single arranger for the longest while, who would have won the most panoramas was Jit Samaru.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: He was recently I'm going to say recently, within the last decade joined by the great Leon Smooth Edwards.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: No disrespect there at all, and they have some great accomplishments in pan.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: But still right now Jit Samaru has nine panorama wins.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: A little-known band by the name of Amoco Renegades or BP Renegades or whichever company Renegades.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: You want to call them little known band by the name of Renegades.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: You know Renegades.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: So when you're passing Renegades pan, you're seeing people waving from the window a lot of Renegades.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Success came from the man Jitsamaru, right, so fitting.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Success came from the man Jit Samaru, right, so fitting that we could hear some words from Jit Samaru right here, right here today, right, and I want you to hear what Jit Samaru said.
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: I came from a very poor family and I couldn't afford another instrument, another musical instrument.
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: So that was a free opportunity to go into a steel band and have the use of the bands free and gain a lot of knowledge within the bands.
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: So I mean, I am a pan-man in the true sense that I really got everything from there.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Pan-man in the true sense.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Hear what he say and it's such an important thing that he say you see, he came from a very poor family and he loved music but couldn't afford any other instruments, so that is what he used, this same thing that this man from the tassel association come to discount, to say well, that's some important thing that somebody do.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: And, again, always try to you know you gotta listen for the dog whistling.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: You know to try to link it back to escape to slavery and between ancestors, all that, whatever, whatever true about that is true, but the idea that it's exclusive to any one group or any one race or any one, what it really is.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: And going back to what Dominic Calipas said, was somebody roots upon last time, was it was for poor people.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: The poorest class of people figure something out and there's such a important lesson to be learned in that right, because I I like I do classes sometimes on innovation and entrepreneurship right, and most innovation comes out a struggle.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: It's like and I'm not talking innovation here in terms of come up with something and you have a business that blow up big.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I ain't talking about Facebook-level innovation, I'm talking about the bulk of innovation as a whole.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: You have to figure something out.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: It comes from the survival instinct that we have as humans.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: When you see, in that struggle, you go in and get creative and try to figure out something to solve whatever the problems you have.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: When you see you're born and sucks and grow, what do you buy?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Long time ago, the Bible and what it said easier for something to enter through a needle light.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: And what they're trying to say is that when you accumulate wealth in life, right, the money, the influence, the power you have could fix a lot of the problems that you would have, which is great, that's good, good for you, right.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: But when you don't have that money or that power or that influence to fix things, you had to start the part of your brain that had to figure something out Going to fire more than the person who have everything easy and so on, at the fingertips.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: So a lot of what we call innovation comes out of struggle.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: So I am proud as a Trinbegonian to see the steel pan on our coat of arms and I have some more from Jit to play for you, right, because Jit Samaru wasn't just a ranger for the Amoko Renegades.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Mind drawing a blank before Amoko Renegades, right, jit Samaru also had a band by the name of the Samaru Jets.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, good old memories.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Only could remember the Samaru Jets.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I want to play this one for you.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: By the time you're listening to this, we're right up on Independence Day in Trinidad and Tobago, right, right up on it, and the lyrics to this song are so pertinent to this song, so pertinent to this topic.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: As I leave this topic, I want to play another piece for you.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: This might be one of the first episodes I play so much Panna, and by so much I mean two, right, but this is the Samaru Jets playing a song that, if we're feeling froggy, right, and we're done changing quota arms and we're done looking at changing flag and thing, no-transcript.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I will close the episode with the original song.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Right, if you don't know the song, if you don't know it, you ain't know it.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: You ain't no way, no right to stick around to the end of the episode and we'll see.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Uh, last last thing on this topic right, careful, careful, because this is what jitsamaru say either.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Poor man trying to figure out something.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Black stalin have a song about that, right, with sufferers in care who stayed in place and who care about skin color and all them kind of thing, a lot of things that come down to the whole idea of divide and conquer.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Is really the lowest socioeconomic groups that have fallen into that divide and conquer thing.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Right, we can talk about that next week.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I want to say salute, going from the lowest socioeconomic groups to some of the highest right, like we talk business for a while and a long time we talk about some business and what I feel.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Salute to the great Lawrence Dupree and rest in peace to him.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Condolences to his family and so on From Asha Javid.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Lawrence Dupree, former chairman of CL Financial and the colonial life insurance company Clico, has died at the age of 89.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: And last year, as his health deteriorated, he moved back to Trinidad and Tobago from Miami with his wife, sylvia.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: He died at a health facility in Port of Spain yesterday evening when he returned to Trinidad.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Former Clico agent and former mayor of San Fernando, ian Attlee, hosted a welcome home party with former agents last June at his establishment Attlee's by the Park Restaurant.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Attlee described him as a giant of a man who spent the last 15 years of his life trying to regain some element of the billion-dollar empire he built.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: He died a lonely man Sad.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: He said it was bittersweet for Dupre that all the companies and ventures he had embarked upon had turned around and were now profitable.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: The state adequately compensated for its liquidity injection, but CL Financial remained in liquidation.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: If I could read this would be good Anybody's doing little reading courses on them kind of thing.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: It'd be rough.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: You know, dupre remains the largest.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: It remained in liquidation, with the conglomerate now dismantled and sold off in pieces.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Dupre remains the largest shareholder in CL Financial but with a company in liquidation, it would be the last to get anything from the earnings In January 2009,.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: When Dupre from the earnings in january 2009, when the dupre approached the government cap in hand, the government immediately stepped up to curve any systemic risk to the country's financial state.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: The attractive interest rates had attracted over 25 000 people to invest billions in clico's breadth and stretch from credit unions to prime state enterprises to own millions to local banks.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Uh, dupre had described his empire, which some, which comprised of 60 of some 65 companies in 32 countries, as being caught up in a perfect storm of economic collapse.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: But the government had.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: The government also had to inject sums to top up the starved statutory fund and meet the requirements of policyholders who had opted out of business with clico.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: In turn, the assets of cl financial were used to security for the injection.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: The majority of the government's 30 billion dollar bailout was spent on paying back policyholders of clico's british american executive flexible premium annuity.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: British American Executive Flexible Premium Annuity.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I remember this EFPA, which was a facility created by Clicko to raise money and burn above-market annual interest rates of 10%.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I remember them quoting 10% and 11% at a point in time when last you hear interest rates like that 10% and 11% the best of plan ain't going nowhere.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Close to that.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Look for six-centing.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: A commissioner inquiring into the collapse of plan ain't going nowhere.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Close to that.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Look for six and a commissioner.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Inquiry into the collapse of clico and related subsidiary subsidiaries, as well as the hindu credit union, was initiated by the states.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: The revelations that the commission was startling.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Million dollar salaries were paid to executives, companies created by executives of hyven, companies created by executives and hyven of millions of contracts and blatant breaches in governance at the expense of policyholders.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Clicker was an insurance company formed by dupre in 36, and so on.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: So long story short right.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: If you remember back in the day in the uh, what was called a great financial collapse of 2008.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Right, several movies.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Go and check netflix, you'll see several movies about this and so on.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: There was a global financial crisis in 2008.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: The core of the company uh, which dubrow inherited from his father, from my understanding, was insurers insurance business and he turned that insurance business, as suggests here, up to 65 companies in 32 different countries, some of them of note at the time.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Right, very big companies and very big moves that I think were what we need to see more of in Trinidad and Tobago now, where we have entrepreneurs who are willing to innovate and take the risks and build businesses not just domestic but also abroad.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: We need to have brands that are globally recognizable, right?
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: So by the time I was in 2008, I would I would have finished my master's at the time in lockjack, and a big part of the discussion in lockjack was businessmen like dupree who were able to take uh take brands, global and, and none more than the CL World brands, right, if I'm not mistaken.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: A few episodes ago we spoke about this right, where he had bought Angostura was publicly listed and I know he had bought out a major share or major control of Angostura and he took that investment.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: So Angostura was then, for him, the holder of a portfolio of alcohol brands all over the world, which makes sense to me.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Like when you look at companies like Diageo or companies like Bacardi, it's not uncommon for companies to grow by acquiring other brands or building other spirits in a related business, right, it's not uncommon for companies to grow by acquiring other brands or building other spirits in a related business, right, it's pretty typical.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: So, going back to that old article, what Asha Javid is today, back in the day you used to hear from a fellow named Anthony Wilson, right, that's the man who used to write all them articles back in the day, to close it back in with it.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: So, as part of its global ambitions, former executive chairman of CL Financial, lauren Dupre, set up a company called CL World Brands in 2003, shortly after he purchased the Scotch distiller Burns Stewart.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: As far as can be determined by examination of the annual report to the company.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Mr Dupre and Fraser Thornton, the managing director of Burns Stewart Distillery, served as the two CL World Brands directors during 2008.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Cl World Brands 2009 account stated that Mr Dupree resigned as a director of the company in July 2009, leaving Mr Thornton as the only CL World Brands director who held the office as of December 31st.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for some of the brands they had here to tell you about.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Right, they had a Swiss company.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: They also had a German company this article ain't helping me, bob Mantini.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Some of the ones I remember.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I remember the Bernsteert with the scotch.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I remember they had Cruzan rums.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I want to tell you they also had it could have been Belvedere vodka at the time.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: So he was expanding what would have been a rum company, which Angostura's core business is focused on rums right Up to today, and he was expanding it, which is what I always feel we need more of here.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: We tend to still be very government-centric.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: We think that we can govern our way into wealth and into a high standard of living and a peaceful country and so on.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that to be true at all.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe, if you have a dictatorship right that just tell you this is what is money you can get and that is what you have to live with and if you commit crime, crime shall be committed against you, that kind of thing.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: But I always see the private sector as playing a critical role in growing the economy.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Private sector once we're in a situation where the government is the biggest employer and tax revenue is the biggest thing driving the economy, we're gonna have a problem, and that's where we are today.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Right, we're heavily dependent on on oil and gas.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Oil and gas ain't looking like it.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: We like it, but it ain't liking me too much these days.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: So it causing the economy to stagnate and a lot of the problems that that coming out of this, the systemic, they're coming out of that same thing.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: We we can't hide behind a lot of transfer programs like dude and cpep and urp.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: And we can't hide behind a lot of transfer programs like DUDE and CPEP and URP.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: And we can't hide behind a whole bunch of construction projects and nothing projects that build, box, drain and fix.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to call them nothing projects.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: But those things could typically I'm going to choose my words carefully here when I have a lot of money, as as a government, I could use transfer programs to help me control different people and if I could control people who are in control of a lot of people like.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Let's assume there's an area where we could safely assume, based on the living conditions and level of opportunities and level of education and the history of the and the level of education and the history of the community and so on, let's assume that we could all forecast that this could be a crime hotspot.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Right, it's a gang of this, gang of that, people fighting one another and so on.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Right, what I could do is, if I have a lot of money as a government is, find the should I use the term community leader Find the most influential person in that area who already have the youths and them lock and then give that person several avenues to wake, to make legal money, to make government money.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I could give you several box drain, contract, big construction.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: When I'm doing that, you hear what buy a backhoe, buy a thing, buy some blocks.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I go get the contract to do this, I will get the contract to do that and you know, once I have that money and I could keep you there, that that way I have you at bay because you know where your money coming from.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Uh, you know how you continuing to control your community because you use the man with the contracts and use the man with the money and stuff.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: So when you go in that community and you say, hey, all petty robbery here done, no more cat, if it no more thing, no more robbing people, you cannot go in tongue.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: You can't do this, you can't do that, otherwise I go deal with you.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: You fund a sort of policing of a depressed community.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: That makes sense there.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Anything I say makes sense.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: But when the money starts to run out and the dude and the c-pep and the urp and those things of the day start to slow down and the construction projects, as a result of lack of money, start to slow down, we can't do no set of big things.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: And these people who are well in control and proper, proper leaders within their community not community leaders right leaders within their community, and they have to find ways to replace that income.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: And then they start to realize, like this construction business that you're talking about here, this is very, very competitive because our big boys, like nh and all the contracts with road paving and box data, people like, uh, what you call, the people on them, junior sammy takusa.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: It's too much people in this space, I can't compete here.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: So what I will do is take my balance of money and get into the import export business.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, set me up here.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Let me say anything about my main problems.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Get into export, import, banking, right and you, you decide what product they get into, export and import.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: The product could be substances, machine gun I mean machinery it could be people.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: So when I'm getting into the export import business, then you lose complete.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: You have no more control over them financially and if you try to heavy hand these people, the response is typically heavy-handed.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Let me go back to narcos.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Right, it's really my favorite series.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: The government tried to heavy hand a man by the name of pablo escobar and pablo escobar respond by bombing up all over the place.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Let me not forget what happened there.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Right, watch this series.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Right, let me not forget it.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: So when you, when you have empowered let me use colombia, I like that example they are a little far, they can't reach me so far, right, they can't.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: When you empower the very leaders of the communities by giving them contracts and giving them money over the years, and then you can no longer give them that money and they find means by which to earn that money, to keep their control, and then you try to strong arm these people.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: You gotta be careful how you walk.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: When you're walking, you gotta be careful how you talk.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: So that's the position we're in as a country right now.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Right, that was a very long explanation, simple but not simplistic.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Right, it's our biggest issue we're facing as a country today.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: But one of the ways out of that is for people who are enterprising, innovative, have a good appetite for risk and could follow through People like Dupre.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Reason innovative, uh, have a good appetite for risk and could follow through people, people like dupre.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: The society need more of these people and not less of these people.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Uh, I like the little one percent talk.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Right, all you know is make joke about that and the joke I make about it serious too.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Right, but one of the things that has led to the one percent in trend out of tobago right, there's this group they call the one percent.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: One of the things that led to that one percent is some economic policies back in the early 80s.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Right, we could go back there.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Well, in the wisdom of the government at the time, they realized that, listen, entrepreneurship had to get we where we need to go of the government.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: At the time, they realized that, listen, entrepreneurship had to get to where we need to go because the government had no set of money.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Oil and gas run out this song unfamiliar oil and gas run out.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: The government had a set of money, the care control.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: The same thing happened before, right, and one of the things they realize is that the import bill is too high.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Is this song unfamiliar?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Like too much?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: People want us, everybody wants to buy you.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: As I want to remind you that the price for us at that point in time was two to one, right, and what was a fixed exchange rate regime, right?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: So one of the discussions was we had to move this exchange rate because if it's only two to one, if I want to do you think about it for yourself with your salary, only making loud money, right, with your salary.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: No, if us was two to one, some of us here would travel every weekend.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Some of us here done kind of traveling every weekend already.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Some of us here would buy everything on amazon and on warm.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, some of us done doing that already.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: You get my drift.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: So it better for economy, sometimes, all things being equal, to increase that exchange rate right.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: So when I exchange rate is, let me put it this way if, if, tomorrow, trinidad exchange rate, all things remain the same, but our exchange rate go 100 to 1, we're going to travel less, we're going to buy on amazon less, we're're not gonna do the same things we used to.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: We can't afford to do it anymore.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: So in the wisdom of the men who was in charge in the 80s, they realized, hey, wait, now we can't just let these people continue to buy abroad the foreign products and them are at a cheaper for the man who had to buy groceries home, to go and buy kellogg's and and and and lays on these things because it it cheaper, is expensive to buy it here.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: The prices here rising and rising, and rising.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: So if I could go buy my thing there, send them down in a barrel.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: This sound familiar, so so.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: So the men and them had to say wait, wait, this barrel thing is crazy.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: They also had to say wait now, everybody who have some kind of sense here, running to, to go New York and work, people who had good, good, good degree and nice, you know, could contribute to building a society, them.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Go in there and mine people, children, and leave them children here unminded.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Your child here ain't mining them, they go and live in New York to go and mine somebody else's child, but that man had to do what he had to do.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: So when you see the problems we have today, you calculate now, right, what is the age of the problematic youth today?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Check the age of their parents and then check the age of them problematic people's parents now and see if it has something to do with all the people who bust out in the 80s to go and Remember the idea about barrel baby.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: You pay the price for everything we do, right, but somebody in charge back then say, hey, where's this in?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: We had to stop these people from buying all these set of kellogg's and them kind of things.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: So what they come up with was some kind of negative list.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Right, an embargo, and they put a series of products on the negative list saying that you cannot import these things into the country.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: You cannot these things care come in, and a lot of them were consumables.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: It was like groceries and so.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: So when you hear grapes, apples and grapes is a christmas time thing that come out of the 80s because you could not get apples and grapes.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: And the first time they start relaxing it in true trinidad fashion, the first time they start relaxing it is when they're saying oh man, I'm gonna get apples and grapes and little butter cookies.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, we go enjoy.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: With christmas, you know, I mean, everything here is a wrong festivity.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: So they slowly but surely started to let some goods come back in for christmas.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: And then this they relax it and remove it completely where the goods could have came in.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: But in a time where it could not come in is not to say that people don't want cereal or people don't want snacks or people don't want fruits.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: You get me.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: So a lot of the one percent businesses that we talk about today, they're born out of that negative list.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: So when you look at what sunshine snacks was doing, sunshine snacks brands is just copies of things that kellogg's was doing.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: You go and check it.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Sunshine snacks might as well be called Frito Kellogg's, Everything Frito.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: They have them of a version, everything.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Kellogg's have them of a version Because they make Cheerios.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: We make Cheerios.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't remember what the hell we make, but you can hear where I'm coming from.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: We just make a version of what they were making there and it was an important move to make.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Right, it was an important move to make Because I and it was an important move to make.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Right, it was an important move to make because I don't know where we'd be without them companies today, and it's a long list of them.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Right, you can check on some of them companies Because when the negative list was up and you could bring them back in, you go and check the distribution companies and see who get all the deals to bring in all the brands that was off the negative list back then.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Go and do your own research all the deal to bring in all the brands that was off the negative list back then.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: When do you research?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I can't help you that.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not a young man, I can't remember.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: But them fellas get a nice little runway to start to do manufacturing, because in manufacturing or in business generally type of thing is called the experience curve.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Right, when you're doing something for the first time, you're not great at it and you tend to get better and better at it over time if you continue to do it.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: And your tend to get better and better at it over time if you continue to do it and your cost structure as a company is full.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: So what they were allowed to do is to build their businesses.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: So people, people like the, the sabgas and so on, so we could call names here and people like the lock jocks and so on, who the business, the whole business school name after a man right the business school in Trinidad, the premier business school.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: My business school name after a man right the business school in Trinidad, the premier business school.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: My business school name after a man who really benefit from negative news because you couldn't bring in them Cadbury and all them chocolate and things.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Man said I'm a catch and man may um what.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: The next thing named Charles chocolates and all these things.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Then men get to learn how to manufacture copy what was there.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Them fellas had a little bit of coin too, so them could run miami like angus through new ceo, check out what going on over there and build businesses.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: When they say and as it open back and the, the, it's not.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: It's not exclusive to one race of people either, because I don't know if you could have bring anything how good you know.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: I mean when you see, you see brands like royal castle and Sunday Basket and things.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Men benefit from the negative list.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: And then when it opened back, the people who was done making the money already and was in the best position to make deals with foreign brands.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: They make deals with foreign brands.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: So when you see companies today, it's big, big conglomerate and you can see.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: When you see you running a business, you can't see a way to become big.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Like them understand where that come from.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: But many, many years, or alongside some of that, but many, many years later we saw dupreeh basically doing the same thing and it's somebody that I admired.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: I was disappointed, to be honest, to see a lot of the facebook comments talking about how wicked he was and thing and people, people celebrating duper.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: In that it makes me wonder, like if people just remember, I don't know if people just know the history.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: I understand that if you had a pension plan and he was expecting 11, you you will feel aggrieved.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Or if your grandfather your I always remember going petrotrain.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: He was gonna play golf a in Petritrin Golf Course and a man was upset.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: A man said he had his life savings in Clicquot and he was supposed to get what was a real big number to me 600 and something thousand.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Whatever he say, he say a big number, right, and he say he only get 80,000.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Now, never forget that 80,000 was where they were limiting some of the things because they had to pay back everybody, and I could understand where people would be aggrieved about, a little bit surprised that atli could say dupre die lonely, or his legacy is in question, because that 2008 financial crisis affected several companies all around the world, none more than banks.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Uh, it was a mortgage crisis in these states.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: Uh, if you go and watch the movies that have to do with it, right, I think the big short is one of them.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: That was talking about that 2008 financial crisis and dubrow is affected by this trinidad and tobago government is not the only government, by a stretch, that had to bail out the big financial institutions at the time.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: So when you have one of the issues is this you cannot allow big financial institutions to fail as a government, right?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Because if they fail, this whole society could collapse.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Go and check argentina and check greece on these people, right?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: You can't allow it to happen, because if the if people who pay the pension the simplest example is if people pay the pension all their life and then they're no longer of useful working age but they can't collect the pension now and they don't have any money.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Guess what I see about them?
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Is you working who know what I see about your parents?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: And do everything for them?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: So your ability to invest, develop, grow, innovate, your it gets stunted.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Your ability to finance your child education, I guess you gotta see about your parents.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: So your money, your money, starts to get thin, and it will.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: It is a big setback in the development of our country, but what is more likely to happen is people will more likely try to get all the money out of the bank and migrate.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: People will leave.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Nobody gonna stay here and deal with that.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: People try to go and find opportunities.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: We went through this before, right, this is not new.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: So at the end of 2009, I remember having an argument an argument so to my guy Hinkson and men like Prevot and so on.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: I remember arguing about this in a gallery by Hinkson and St James at the time and the point I was trying to make with my these fellas is good top financial minds in the country, right.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: So it's hard for me to debate or argue anything with them, but one of the things, one of my perspectives as a budding and and and and hopeful one percent of myself, a little biased towards businesses, right, but one of the things that I never agreed with or understood is why the government was going to bail out clico.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: But for some reason they've.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: They they emboldened themselves to take ownership of the man company like in, in, in total and ad nauseum, in infinite.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: They're all my latin song.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: It's almost like they.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: They just decide we own this.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Now you run into problems.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: We're gonna bail you out, and not even bail you out fully, because they did not put enough money to it to secure everybody, investment and so on, as some of the bigger banks had done in the states.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: When I read an article from from asha javi talking about, uh, obscene salaries for executives and those kind of things, I don't know if I agree with any of that.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: It was the same thing they were saying about the banks back then.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: But if I have an employee, as I exactly, even if I'm executive level and I entitled to certain bonuses, I remember when obama was in charge of the time and they had paid money into is it freddie may and fanny mac, one of you?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: However you pronounce them thing, however you see them, one of the first things they did, which it really looked bad.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: They should not do it right.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: But they paid executive bonuses, which has been a slap in the face to the, to the man who fighting for 80,000.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: But if the executive was owed his bonus, the company could be in problems if he don't get paid his bonus anyway.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: But I think Obama and them had started restructuring it to ensure that companies put money into the bank first, so that the average investor or banker or person with a savings account is protected.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Then we could deal with the executives and the private jets and the bonuses and so on.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: So I was a little surprised that when they're trying to paint Dupre as this bad guy all of a sudden, when to me he should be lauded and celebrated as one of the most, it wasn't just Angus Rourke, it was him making a headfirst dive into methanol, like now when you look at in a time when the whole discussion was around oil, he was already shifting towards gas and making investments to give us a bigger domestic ownership of our energy resource.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: He was doing it since back then the very one word book place that people see it now have, as this great thing was under him home construction, was also under his brand, very one-word book place that people see it now and you know paf has this great thing was, was was under him.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Home construction was also on his brands and you know, I find it.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: I find it disheartening that even you know you still talk about lockjacks or the sabgers or the fifi some of the big, big names in business now, but they're trying to make it sound like dupre, dupre.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: Nobody die lonely.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: Sad, but when I would going back to the idea of injecting money into clico at the time, you're giving me money that I owe you, right, I had to pay you back in full with interest and so on.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: That's something like debt financing to me.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Debt financing involves borrowing the money, whereas equity financing involves selling a portion of equity in the company.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: The main advantage of equity financing is that there's no obligation to repay the money acquired through it.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: So in other words, if you're buying diamond company, you buy 10 to the company and you're giving that money and the company busts, you don't have nothing to get back right.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: In the most basic terms, typically with debt financing, if I put 10 million into your company and your company busts, you still owe me the money under a lot of circumstances.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: So it's confusing that the government tried to give debt financing but but not try but take complete equity ownership of the company and decide what resources to sell off.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: And when I say take ownership, they put government representation on the boards of cl financial and all the subsidiaries and they decide what is to sell and what is to keep and how much it is to sell.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: The government recoups its money.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: In other words, imagine you pay back the bank.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Right, he was in some trouble, he was with some people.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: They're coming to break your legs.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Imagine you pay back the bank.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: You get your legs break and you no longer own whatever vehicle he says a vehicle you borrowed the money for.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: They take your car, they take back the money and your leg's still broken and it's sad that that is.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: It sounds like exactly what happened to Dupre and I hope that, as they had Anthony Wilson and they have Asher Javid and they have people like Joel Julian and so on who are great business journalists, I hope that somewhere between now and when dupre went to bury or or last rites or the funeral or whatsoever is gonna come, somebody had to retell this story, you know, because it's the story, not the story as it looks on social media now is really a betrayal to one of the greatest business minds we've ever had as a country.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: At one point he was running the biggest business in the country.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: From my understanding right and again, for me personally, he was always an inspiration to me and I want to say salute to the great Lawrence Dupree.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: You know, there's one of the other things talking about the divisiveness and the whole duality of the episode is like we say this term 1% again, as if it is exclusive to some race or some group of people or somebody who live in here or go in there.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this at all.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: I don't subscribe to it whatsoever.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: I think anybody could be a sap guy.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Anybody could be as great as a lockjack.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: Anybody could be as great as a dupre, and he was at when, when, when people talk about things like representation matters, I think it's an important thing where we don't paint our leaders, our great business minds, that we careful how we trying to paint them as a as a villain, and you know I didn't want to say this, but it's almost like they're trying to to make the thing sound like it was a dss.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: You know this.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: This, this rewriting of history is a hell of a thing, you know.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm here to really play kaiso right and again.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Seeing that we one percented, I want to play the one percent calypso and as if calypso is just for somebody, or this is for somebody, or business is for somebody in particular, I want to glee, remember this shoe If Trinidad is a boat sailing on the earth, I'll go sail on it.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 10: Oh Lord, I'll go sail on it, whether it's fast or slow, wheresoever it goes, I'll go in with it.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 10: Tell them I go in with it.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 10: I go sail when he tie this line.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 10: I go sail when he tie this net.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 10: If she go in to hell and back, I go make the me the trail A-bound to me, the trail A-sailing with the boat, single float.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 10: A-sailing with the boat, a-sailing with the boat, single float.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 10: A-sailing with the boat, through hurricane and storm, hell or high water come, and when she needs a push, a-going to push like Bush.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 10: If Trinidad is a boat, I'll go sail on it, sink or float.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 10: I have banders put in me who's bluffing mutiny and I'm watching them.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 10: I say I'm watching them.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 10: Who's giving the captain left and all who are bound up ship, and I'm marking them.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 10: I say I'm marking them.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 10: Storeways Deep in free passage, costaways With excess baggage, crimson pirates Moving in to kill, but I'm sailing still.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 10: I say I'm sailing still.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 10: I'm sailing with the boat, single float.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 10: I'm sailing with the boat.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 10: I'm sailing with the boat, single float.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 10: I'm sailing with the boat.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 10: Two hurricanes, storm, kill all, high water come.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 10: And when she needs a push, I'll go into push like push.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 10: If Trinidad is a world, I'll go sail on it, sink or float.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Just a gentle reminder that we culture is for all of you, everything in this land is for all of you, business is for all of you.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: So it's so, so unfortunate that you're trying to be one of the greatest black businessmen.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: You're trying to be the man of the video scoundrel.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: You might run into the same problem everybody run into when he's well, take over the man company and up to now he never get back control of the company in full.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: It's crazy when you think about it, as we, as we saw about angus too.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Um, I think I think I touch on this last.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: This is something that I just want to continue to follow, right, as we've done on business already.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Only forgive me, we're done on business already and it's something that we should all follow.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Because in in, in talking about marketing, like marketing classes, especially at master's level, I always used to complain or or say you know, we in lockjack graduate school of business boys when we there, we talking about sam walton and them from walmart and and bill gates and steve jobs, and I was like, well, if we're in lock School of Business, why don't they teach you about Lockjack and Sabga and the Hadids and the Rahals?
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Why don't they teach us about local business people so we could hear what they do, get inspired by them.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: How come we don't have these people come in and guest lecture in these schools, like how Bill Gates could go to Harvard and stuff.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: I in lock jack, I was one of the first graduates, also at a lock jack graduate school of business.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put that out there one time.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: Right, and lock jack wasn't there for we grow.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you be there for the first graduation?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: I think it was a 20 million dollar grant he had given to the school.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: His name was on the school.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: How come you can come and talk to we like come and you know?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: I think it would be so inspiring to meet these people, hear their stories and so on, and because I feel that way is I take it upon myself, no matter where our degrees come from, because the master's class I do now is from University of Bedfordshire and I teach in strategic marketing.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: I think his name of the course on data analytics or something like that.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: So when I go to a course like that you're going to hear about is a rotation Sasha Cosmetics, chubby and SMG Angus Tura You're going to hear about.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Is that a rotation sasha cosmetics, chubby and smg angostura.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: You're gonna hear about our legendary companies and our legendary businesses and why.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: I would just swap with these foreigners all the time.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about we.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: So anything that happened with angostura, I'm acutely attentive.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: I want to know what is going on with them because, again, angostura is one of our greatest brands, led by the flagship product that that has bit us right, but it's a angostura ceo moves to miami, leaving laventel headquarters.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Now people are saying that the article, written in such a way that you will believe, is a crime situation and them kind of thing.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: But he said here chief executive officer of angostura holdings limited, lauren shun I hope I pronounced that right and I'm sure I didn't will be operating from Miami, florida, rather than the company's Lavantel headquarters starting Monday, according to a material change disclosure to the TNT Stock Exchange posted this morning.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: The move is intended to support Angus Sura's key international business initiatives.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: As Angus Sura intensifies its international expansion efforts and prepares to launch its newly styled premium rum range in the global market, the CEO, with the approval of the board of directors, will operate primarily from Miami.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: So again, like I was saying last week, it is coached as a move to set Angusura up for international or global expansion right Now.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Again, it's so sad that that is against the backdrop of Lawrence Dupre passing.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: If he was done sick already, when he hear this, he must get more sick and kick the bucket.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: It's sad, but there seems to be.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: It more in the mortar than the pestle because now, after they say that, last week, another article came out in in the guardian by andrea perry sobers angus through a change, his role of ceo.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: Angus through holdings limited ceo lauren shun will start providing advice on the company's international expansion from Miami from Monday.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: In a material change disclosure, angus Sura said the move is to intensify international expansion and so on.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: But the way the second article written is almost as if he's not going to remain a CEO.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: So these are the main executives who led the company during the period 2018 to 2023, when the company was without a substantive CEO.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: So it's like moves being made.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure Is he going to remain the CEO?
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: The way they put it, almost like when they say we'll start providing advice on the company's.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: It almost sounds like if he moving from ceo to external consultant and some of these things delicate right because, remember, it's angus rory is publicly listed, man has shares in angus to run, so on, and anything that you do to any, any move that you make that is volatile, is going to probably negatively affect the share price.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: So it seemed like if this is some kind of managed situation happening here and again, just because of my kind of affinity or love for Angostura Bitters being one of the greatest local brands, we have certainly the most global product that we have.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Right, you can find Angostura Bitters pretty much anywhere in the world.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: And I went, I drank Angostura rum that's for export, only I can't remember the name of the rum, I think it's Raya or something like that.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: So Angostura continuing to penetrate the global market.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: But moves like these are moves that we had to continue to pay attention to.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: Right, amokalypso to play for you.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: You know, are we feeling an Ak episode to play for?
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm feeling a calypso-ish kind of mood every time.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: I, every time I come here and I, as always, worry when I talk about too much heavy topics like, like, like, business and this kind of thing.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: But we, we can't do without it.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: We can't do without it.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: So, in the, in the spirit of the episode where the the the real point of the episode is to say that our entire culture is for all of we and anybody who telling you any part of the culture is for one ethnic group or one racial group or one economic group or one social group.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: We want to, we want to pay a rest to that as fast as possible, and one of the things that you will hear, uh, people say about calypso, right, is that people talk about calypso as if african calypso in his pnm and anybody's thinking you know, indians are going to support the unc.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: And again, I just here to make sure that the people who feel the world now start, when they come, start to understand where it is going on.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: There was a gentleman that I used to go to see in Calypso Spectacular tent, right, you remember Calypso Spectacular, upper Henry Street in the days of Calypso tent, and this was a man by the name of Cardinal.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Now, if you're my age, when I say Cardinal, a dance is supposed to come to your mind, right, it's also you visualizing a dance.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: But I think this Cardinal song is one of the essence of Calypso to me, in other words, one of the things I didn't like about what happened with political Calypsos over the years is that because the political situation again is designed to divide and conquer, some of we, as Calypsonians and lovers of Calypso, fall for the divisiveness and we start to pick a side.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: And when we come to give Bois and we're the great Mr Shaq we start to pick who.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: We gain Bois and who Bois make out of good wood and who Bois make out of wood that break every time it swing before it hit, break right.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: We start to say say, well, we go, jam the next side and we go, we defend we side, which is never to me what calypso was about.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Calypso was how we go back and listen to mr shakboa, right, and everybody get boy in that song.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: It's not a political party.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Nothing get hot right, which to me is the essence of calypso.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: What you ought to be doing is coming and standing up against what is wrong.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: So when the Tassel Association come and make a statement that is absolutely wrong, I expect in the greatest Calypsonians, we have to come with some farce that can dispel that and put that down.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: And this was one of the men who we need to look forward to for a serious Calypso, a humorous Calypso.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: I never really see him smile when he performs at all.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: He have a very, very serious face.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: And this is Cardinal.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Giving the UNC some stick, some.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Wah right, the UNC under Pat Nde gain him some wah.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: We're taking this song.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: This is Cardinal.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: The name of the song is True Woman.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: Good afternoon we have so many calypsos here this evening.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: I'd like to keep the show moving.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: The next performer coming up, this fellow coming to tell us about something that happened in central Trinidad.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 9: I just call him.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 9: I dubbed him from last year the Midnight Rubber.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 9: That is the name I give him, but the song this year is named Three Women, the singer, cardinal, bring him on.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 9: I'm going to sing a song called the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying you did anything Understand, I am just asking.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: I see the hope in your position.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: That is a secret allegation.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: Three women Say you're molested.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: Three women With the same problem we know.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: The doctor said that you had a go and nobody had expect you would Before you found the next government.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: Are you guilty of sexual harassment?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: We want to know.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: Mr Padley, I sat many times in your place.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: Three women, one office, not much space.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: They rub on me accidentally, arousing my sexuality.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: Look at me, I am just one man.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: Don't you think that is much too much temptation?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: Three women, they the moon like silk Dream.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: Women drink like condensed milk.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: Looking at them brings back all my youth.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: Believe me, that is iniquitude.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: It's true I have a bad heart, but that told me I can get a good start.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: Tell me the truth, mr Van Der.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: I'd like to get a new start and I'll be the true mess.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: Up and lay.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: He come in and he fed a hard-onny.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: The common man the feather.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: A journey At one time was like one family.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: So bringing racism upon the truth, all is from the Semitic who used the old terminology Is in the parasitic polygamy.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: These three women, they all look for you.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: Three women so sincere and true.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: If you're afraid, you're right.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: You're on the low.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: If you're lost in your heart, then tell me so.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: Your wife says it's unbelievable and she'll not say you're not different.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: Tell the nation we're so funny.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: Salute to Bastio Pandi, one of the greatest prime ministers who ever touched the history of this country.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: Rest in peace.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Listen, it's hard to play Cardinal without playing this one right.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: Lord put a hand.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: I find myself in a jam All over.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: Try after I get through and I don't know why, after I buy me material To make me close for this carnival.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: What a calamity.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: I can't get nobody to sew for me Nutella I have Nutella.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: Nutella, I have Nutella.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: I have a barber.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: I have a jeweler, moto car and driver, but I have a zoo with a motor car and driver, but I have no tailor.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: The clothes are hard, really, they wasn't that bad.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: The clothes are hard, really, they wasn't that bad.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: But you know me always like to dress and look fancy To help the poor and the needy.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: I keep them all out to charity.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: Now look at my face.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: Nobody want to see it.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: Okay, no teller, I have no teller.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: No teller, I have no teller.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: I have Nutella, I have Nutella.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: I have a baba Tomatologist.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: My notes, she register, but I have Nutella.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: I have no tailor, I have a jeweler, I have a barber.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Go and look up that.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: That's Cardinal, no tailor.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: Is his song?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: Because Cardinal is a man, always well dressed and proper when he see you in the tent.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Cardinal come out in a towel and if you know the dance, show people it.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: Right, show them the dance.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: If they don't know the dance, right, what do you want to talk about next?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: You're coming down and trying to manage time here.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Let me just say real quick, right, I will talk about sports and then I will get.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: If you're finishing business, let me finish business.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: There is something that I saw happening recently that I'm happy about and I want to highlight.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: Right headline says tobago leaders elated as abud offers shares in hotel project.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: The developer of the proposed rocky point hotel project, john abud, yesterday offered to sell one or two shares one or two in the development company to tobago or tobago onions.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: Abud is the chairman of superior hotels limited, made the offer at a meeting hosted by uh, the tobago arm of the trinidad and tobago Chamber of Industry and Commerce and the Tobago Hotel and Tourism Association in Moncton Bay Resort.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: The meeting was held to bring members of the Tobago business community up to date with the latest development to the project.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: So them fellas gonna build a hotel.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: I tell you all, when I went to Tobago I went to the what the hell?
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: The name of the thing in tobago is again radisson sleeping comfort in one of them hotels is in tobago, uh, in the heart of scarborough, and uh, every time I see things like this.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: So all the best and best wishes on your rocky point hotel.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: I hope you turn that the tobagonian business leaders are likely to buy into these one or two shares.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Tobagonian business people is no joke.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: But, um, when I went to the comforting right, like I said, we were there for a weekend, we went for a wedding and I hope I say anything right and all you don't do vex with me if I'm saying it wrong, right, is it comforting?
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: We went and I say you know what?
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: We were looking for places here, comforting.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: We're looking for places for breakfast and um, we, we went to some nice places in tobago.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: They had a few really good restaurants and I like Tobago also, pancakes and them things.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: But I said you know, let me go somewhere different and they have a comfort in there.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: We'll get a continental breakfast and I'll tell you the breakfast was decent.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: It was okay.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: It wasn't.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: I should have go somewhere a little more domestic and have breakfast, to be fair, but it was decent and the hotel looked like a building.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: It almost looked like something was there before and they bought the building and make the hotel right, but one of the one of the things that I saw with this right.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: We also saw an article this week where the sporting facility, the cycling facility in kuva, men are all for competition and this roulette machine rest down in the middle of the thing and so on.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: It's a rough life, it's a rough life.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: It's a rough life.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: It's a rough life.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: So I say this to say that the comfort in suites in tobago they had people there for breakfast.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: It was looking like it happened, but it also looked like one of those things that you could come and see 10 years down the road.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: I'm wishing this on them, right?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: But we've all seen it before where I remember my first time going to grafton, how busy and it was a whole, it was a vibe and it starts slowly fading from the limelight and becoming more of a.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: You know I ain't saying grafton failing or not just saying that the energy changes.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Uh, same thing with sandy point.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: When it goes sandy, it used to be pan and it's a vibe, and then it sort of faded a little bit and it not maintained as well as it used to be.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: I could say the same thing about Tobago Plantations, tobago Hilton, which is now Magdalena Grand.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: When you first went, the place full, it buzzing, there's an energy and a vibe like a successful business, and then it starts to be more dreary and all that and then the thing and they change hands and all them things.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: You go on the golf course, there's less people and so on.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Right, and I could say the same thing about One World Book Place that was top of the top back in the day.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: One bedroom apartment, millions of dollars it was.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: And now you're seeing where you know you inquire about one place.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: The common space is not so great.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: All kinds of different issues, the elevators are leaking and so on.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: There's a tendency here where we believe in infrastructure I don't know if it's the Manning-Miami philosophy and them kind of things to build up, make ourselves into the financial center and make a little Miami down in the port and them kind of thing.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: But we tend to build these great facilities.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: We could list them cpl coming just now there, one down in south I hear it.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: It costs 100 billion to build and go and cost 200 billion to fix.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: You know we have one on the highway where bill for children used for covid.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: We tend to build these great facilities that look shiny and nice and new up front and then over time maintenance starts to become a problem and you see a big building that don't have life.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: It have a kind of depressing feeling.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm alone on this, right, but the building it feel eerie, it don't feel the same and once it start to get that feeling, it start to become less and less attractive to go to and the only way to recover that feeling is actually to build a new building or rebrand and repurpose that whole thing.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: We've seen it many, many, many, many, many, many times before.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: So I'm not saying this to cast any aspersions on your rocky point hotel.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: I hope they do well and I hope people buy into it.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: But I also saw it with the gulf city mall in tobago energy full, this and then it started to become a I'm not using the term white elephant, right, but it started to feel different and I couldn't help but look at this thing that happened in tobago now, with all the promise that going into this and people who will buy shares and hopefully do great.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: I couldn't help but think about about that against the backdrop of movie talk.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Right, a little bit of a long story here, right.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: So we saw a few weeks ago direction would have come into the news with owing the taxman, right.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: And then we see soon after that he came.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: Well, this is not even a month ago, the thing thing with the Odeon BIR, maybe a month or two, and then we see it now where people come to foreclose.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: I keep saying plebdeco right.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure I get this right Because plebdeco wrong like hell, there's a port of Spain.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: So let me read from the Express here, from the express status from anna ramdas.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Headline says chin movie town levy was a big shock.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: So if you, if you don't know what his story by now, after the tax man was trying to move on him and say how much are millions of dollars he owed the tax man uh, this week, the company who's responsible for this facility where they have to pay rent to for movie town port of spain, the little thing went viral on social media showing men like they come to lock doors for movie town.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Movie town, that big compound.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: We had the lockdown, but I'm already there.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: It said the action to repossess the movie town cineplex in port of spain was an act of thuggery that caused great embarrassment and loss of money, said chairman of trinbago commission, trinbago commercial development company, derek chin.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: On friday, landlord for the port authority, the port of spain infrastructure company, porcinco I keep saying clip deckways porcinco uh sent bailiffs who descended on movie town at invaders bay to repossess the complex for what porcinco said was 10 million dollars owed in rent.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: Uh, they also served tenant letters stating that Pocinko had exercised his rights under the head lease to take possession of the premises and rent should be remitted to the company.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: In a telephone interview with the Express yesterday, chin said this caused him great embarrassment.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: He said it severely impacted the business.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: On Friday evening into Saturday there were fewer people going to Movietown.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: He said the C3 cineplex at current South Trinidad did better than the Port of Spain complex, which has never happened before.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: We have built an iconic brand.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: This is a Trinidad and Tobago company that has done very, very well.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: People recognize what we have done.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: It adds a new dimension to our company.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: He said the country was suffering from a lot of darkness in terms of crime and the deterioration of family life, and movie town brought families together.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: I agree, chin said.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: Chin noted movie town employs over 1200 people and over 2500 are employed at the entertainment and shopping complex.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: Keep them numbers in mind for me.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Right, movie talking to employs 1200 people and over 2500 people are employed at the entertainment and shopping complex.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: Just just just multiply that by three for me in terms of our family size.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: Right, remember them numbers.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: He said that.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: He said he was hopeful there would be resolution in the courts.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Today, levy action came as a shock.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Chin said we were having talks in goodwill and then you want to come close me down without negotiating.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: Chin said every five years there are discussions about the renewal of the rental rate, and the last agreed to pay five dollars a square foot.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: Five dollars a square foot.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Five dollars a square foot, as he noted, the property spans over 50 000 square feet.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that they're just paying rent for lands here, right, not developed.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: So five dollars a square foot.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: As he noted, the property spans over 50 000 square feet.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that they're just paying rent for lands here, right, not developed.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: So five dollars a square foot, I suppose I shouldn't say cheap.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: He said during the covid 19 pandemic, because of the imposition of public health regulations, businesses were destroyed, as many were forced to shut down and tenants were unable to pay anything.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: Uh, they received a reduction in rent.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: You see, however, as a businesses, we're trying to rebound.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Porsenko reinstated the full rent as 100, which we objected to.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: So they're going through their issues, right?
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: And then, uh, porsenko made a move on them on friday.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my, my stance on this might be a little predictable, so I'm gonna put you through that right.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: But I am pro business and I don't understand.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: Can I make a juxtaposition?
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: I also saw an article here.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: Let me, let me go to that, right.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: Let me just let me just see if I could do this in five minutes, because I am not sure if, when I talk about my defense of business, if it comes across as trying to defend the wealthy, or speak on behalf of the haves and try to well the hads he had Might not look like he have no more.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: You know, let me read another article for you now before we get back to movie talk.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: Sadness in Marabella as Carrot Shed closes down.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: The permanent closure of Carrot Shed on September 1st will mark the end of our era in Marabella.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: To the people of Marabella, carrot Shed was never just a bar.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: It was an institution, one which helped to nurture the community, provide entertainment and, most of all, bring about social equity.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: The foundations Carrot Shed initiated and funded in the spheres of sports, education and culture are now in jeopardy, causing additional sadness to the beneficiaries.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Nearby residents are calling for someone else to take over these activities.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Owner Alan Campbell, 76, told the Newsday in an interview on August 16th he regrets his decision, but after the closure of the former state-owned PetroTree in 2018, coupled with the start of the pandemic shortly after, and having suffered a two-year closure, the 34-year-old business is no longer viable.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: Keep in mind that them fellas in the heart are Marabella down there right.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: So when they a big part of them would be petro-train workers who come in to take a lime and a drink and a eat right.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: As president of the Lotto Agents Association, campbell said he would continue to run that aspect of his business, so the lotto machine would keep open with the bar closed.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: One of his loyal customers and treasurer of the Marabella Festival Committee, lisa Hollingsworth, was close to tears as she contemplated the future of the Turrens Carnival, which Campbell mainly funded.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: He has run the Turrens Carnival for the last 30 plus years and I believe this year would have been our last.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: I'm totally disappointed and sad.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: This is not how it was supposed to end.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: This is a real, heartbreaking situation.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: This is my home.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: I'm a single woman and it's the only place I come if I want to have a drink, if at some point I cannot get home, someone here will take care of me.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: But easy is drunk, you're drunk in your place.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Lisa.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: Lisa say if for some reason I can't get home, I'll overdrink, somebody here will take care of me.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: Call someone to take me home.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: Always a philanthropist From an early age, campbell was a strong advocate for social justice, something for which he spent 242 days with 16 others behind bars.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: The person said behind bars, but in brackets, not like caric, like carrot shed.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: This person, a comedian, writing this article as a political prisoner during the 1971 state of emergency, went on to talk about his time as a trade unionist and so on, talk about what led him to create carrot shed and so on.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Go and check the news day for the article on the closure of carrot shed.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: What the hell character in Marabella have to do with movie talk?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: We have a tendency look at the tone of this article versus the tone of talking about Dupre passing away.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: Right, two black businessmen, right, different scale, different fields, different levels.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: And so look at the tone of those articles and how different they are, with the sadness, the immediate response to what it is where it was.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: It meant to the community, his contribution to the community, calling the business owner by name.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: It's by no brand name again.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: We're talking about a man what you do for thing, what you do for um, well, get lisa home, but you also do a lot for the kiddies, kind of we don't know what will happen next year.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: So when I talk about businesses and I, I I come in defense of businesses.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: Our business is just a part of the community, just like an individual right, just like how you use a part of your community and you do things and help the community.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: The community need a lot of things to go on and business is just one of those things.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: But I think that somewhere along the line we tend to only feel that way about very small I want to say almost like struggling businesses.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: We recognize what those businesses do when you could walk in and see the owner and trust a bear or trust a, we like that, we respect that or we understand what that does for the community.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: But then when you get too big, you start to become the enemy.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's our mindset that we had to change.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: So when I look at carrot shed and the comments on carrot shed and the sadness and everything that people had to say is only glowing remarks when the business closing down, right, whereas when I looked at the comments under their chin and movie tongue, who could be closing down too right, I don't want to call that on nobody, but who knows, if you will, what will happen now?
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: Right, but there's a certain celebration and happiness and reverence.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: And there's a certain joy and happiness and reverence.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Everybody's yeah, right, only working and only paying, nobody and only making, only paying, only taxing, only paying, only renting.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: And there's a certain joy when a business like that closes down, a business that directly hiring 1,200 people multiply that by three, four people if you want to look at how much going towards a family.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: So they're maturing them 1,200 people have Indirectly 2,500 people working there.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Again, they have businesses that are renting from them.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: It's like if you have a little business like Carrot Shed sorry to say little business, but if you have a business like Carrot Shed and you have individuals or people within a community saying, hey, oli helped so much things, what going on?
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: Like, you know we gonna go through with this like, can we imagine how much people like movie tongue would I help?
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not sure.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: If we see it that way, we see it as this, um, this sinister person in this cartoon who have a suit and tie and oppressing everybody around them.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I, I, I don't see it that way, maybe because I have the same aspirations not the sinister part, but I, I want, I want our businesses to be huge.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: I want them to be big.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: We could, we could do so much more.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: I will do better, yes, and that's my intention.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think anything wrong with that at all, but I could do so much more for so much people has.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: You know, I, I don't know, I don't know we have, we have this tendency to look at it like almost, like we're glad movie tongue fails.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: When I look at the businesses.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: Let me go back to my example in Magdalena in Tobago, I feel sad when I pass there and I see the building lacking life.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: Is that what we want to see on that foreshow?
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: We want to be passing on that foreshow all the time and see what used to be movie tongue and talk about that like that's what it was back in the day, like I always remember, like my parents and people from back in the day.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: Well, it had Carnival City, and even when we talk about Spectrum and them things and them things is no more.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: Or even I play songs here from Calypso Spectacular today and them things and those things are things of the past like.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: And those things are things of the past Like.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: There's not even a.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: I was going to say like not memorial is the word I'm looking for, but there's no history, there's nothing that tells you this building was here, you know, it just fades to black.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: One of the things I remember about that was some article I was reading on a few episodes ago and they were talking about Brother Resistance having a shop inside the drag mall.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: That shop or that business is such an institution, such a part of Port of Spain, such a big part of our history, not just in Calypso but in Rapsow, and they start for so many artists, or just a place where people go and argue and contemplate and come up with things and it's just gone.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: It's just gone, it's just, it's just no more.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: So when, when I see the, when I see the celebratory tone of the, of the, of the, what looking like dong days for movie dong, I started wonder, because I remember when movie dong and shogun has closed down, I spoke about that here and I I feel like at that point in time, something wasn't right.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: When you see, when you see movie tongue closing down, but I just, I just I just pointed out that there's something that we had to rethink.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: We had to rethink the way we look at, because, number one, it is almost as if we we see it as something we cannot accomplish and like, like, like me or you care, have a business big, like movie tongue, that is all over the all over the place and employ plenty of people and make plenty of money and do well and leave legacy for generations, and so I think we see it as too distant from us and outside of our reach.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: That's very, very similar to me today, to the tassel people who want to say, like steel pan is not of us, why business can't be of us is just another thing, you know.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: I mean it's, it's, it's just another aspect of life, another another thing that we could do and pursue and accomplish.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: You know, and I feel just how I feel lisa's sadness for not being able to be drunk in your car Shit, no more.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: I feel sad about this movie Tongue thing.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know if people, I don't know if people ain't feeling no way.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: I feel sad about movies.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: I can't believe we in a position where, if you remember, when movie town was built, it was so much promises, just like that Comforting.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: Or this, this Rocky point hotel so much promise, it's just like that comforting.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: Or this, this rocky point hotel so much promise and so much joy.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: And you walk into movie tongue for the first time and you see this.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: I remember when I walk into that um atrium and it looked, it's so impressive.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: It's something like, wow, we could have this in trend.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: Make me feel different as a trend, big onion.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: And now we're celebrating the fact that it's gonna close down.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: And I'm talking about just me and you are talking about some of the biggest commentators on online celebrating the fact that it's closing down.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: I, I don't like it.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: I don't like that.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe I I feeling sad and he, as a businessman, have a choice to make and guyana's economic prospects, or their economic outlook, is way better than trinidad and tebega at this point.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: This man is from guyana and he has a movie tongue over there that probably doing gripper he not the problems paying rent and he not the problems paying tax and so on, and it may well be that he could basically say well, listen, I can't do this, no more.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: You know it's too much, I can't, I can't.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: And then he go and he put his efforts and focus on on guyana and left we here.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's a good thing at all, you know.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: So this, this episode, was really about the dualities of the thing, because that character versus movie tongue, or the way Dupree treated versus character, is a hell of a duality that I see here today.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: And if we learn anything, when you talk about a guy like Chang as being the person who is a Chinese man, you know what I mean of Chinese descent.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: So the idea that we're looking at the Chinese man, this is for them, business and things is for them.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: And the 1%, the Syrian, that is the business is for them.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: Steel pan is for black people and the tassel is for Indian people.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: I don't like none of it, to be honest with you, I think, as a Trinbago for all of us, and I have evidence of that.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: Come on, that's it, that's it.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, charming me so good.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 6: Charming me so good, all my business.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 6: Check off in camera, pull out to the sun.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 6: Charming me so good, charming me so good.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 6: Well, the music's sounding sweet and the crowd gets in a heat If you hear how people fall.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 6: Pizza's a dog's a pato, roll up the dancer.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 6: Roll up the dancer.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 6: Pizza's a oh baby.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: Roll up the dancer.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 6: Roll up the you dancer, big santa.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 6: Oh beta.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 6: Roll up you dancer.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 6: Roll up you dancer, big santa.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 6: Rip up you dancer, big santa.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 6: Rip up you dancer, big santa.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 6: Oh beta, ah boy.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 6: Thank you for all the love.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 6: Come on, come on, mr Sam, people from Afa, pinal and Cuba Come together and they're Charlemagne's so good, charlemagne's so good, a section from Demi.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 6: Join and start to play Indian love way and they charm in the soca, charm in the soca.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 6: Aye, aye, aye.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: Well, the old man getting hot On the tata start to cut.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 6: I wonder if she's going to come up with that.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: Salute, the great Salute All of my culture is for all of you.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: Last but not least, I want to talk to Paulo Cunahan.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: Real quick, right?
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: I see Paulo Cunahan put out that thing the other day.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: I say, well hey, if I have some people listening to me every week, I let him reach out to paulo kurnahan and I talked to him for my 23rd august.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: Our podcast still fit for purpose.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: I want to know why this is happening.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: Paulo say I love a good podcast.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: Know any?
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: Please tell him you know a good one too.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: He said.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: Lately I've been finding it hard to keep these podcasts down.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: There's one basic short shortcoming endemic among many of them for several practitioners of this updated format the interview skills are dodgy.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: It's deeply frustrating to arrive at the cul-de-sac of a two-hour podcast, having endured a succession of circles of spun enthusiastically by the host while learning nothing from a drawn-out, uninspired, rudderless conversation.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something I have many goals in life and many things that I want to accomplish, but one of them is to stay on the good side of paulo kernahan, because you see this, this man of a wayward words, when he deal with you and you get, you get a tongue lashing and I'll be written from.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: You're bound to go back in a hole and you're bound to crawl back into somewhere.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: Why are you going to talk to people like this?
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: It's rough.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: He said Podcasts are, or will, a great way to make sense of issues impacting our lives.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: Some discussions help you appreciate how a particular topic might be directly or might directly veer into your lane of life without you ever having considered it how climate change affects your grocery bills, cumulative effect of commuter stress on mental and physical health.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: You see, my beef is that many podcasters don't apply sufficient rigor to their content.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: The result is usually a meandering mess.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: So I want to tell you this right as from now on, I'm taking this article, I'm sticking it up in front of me where I record here, because I will not be one of the people that Paul O'Connor come to call no me.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: And then mess.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: He's trying to break people's spirits.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: But again, to look to Paul O'Connor, I wish he were doing podcasts Like this is the kind of mind that we need when I talk about Dominic calipasado, paulo kernahan, the kind of experience these fellas have.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: I wish they would be people on the podcast circuit, but maybe it's part of my work to come and talk to some of these people not paulo, you know, because I'm not going to be one of the people.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: Imagine being in the middle of an interview and then you ask your question, excited, excited, and you say what me and them mess up, I'm not dealing with that.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not dealing with that.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: I could do without them kind of problems in my life to break my spirit.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: But salute to Paolo Cunahan and I have to tell you that over the next few weeks and talking about interviewing and so on, as my star broadcasting class culminated last weekend, salute to Nigel Nicholson on star broadcasting.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of doing some live podcasting in the class because we used to just go in and talk about podcasting and what it is and what kind of equipment and what kind of software you might need and how to do it and organizing topics and how to plan and all that so that Paola can handle and hit your sentence like basically learning nothing from a drawn-out, uninspired, rudderless conversation.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: To avoid all that, I say well, hey, we get a chance to do a practical session where we could sit through a podcast and get some of my feedback.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: Imagine now I had to critique people about their podcasting style.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: So what I decided to do was to actually sit with each person and do a sort of interview style mini podcast right, five to 10 minutes, nothing long where I could get a feel for their on-camera presence, their enthusiasm while we're talking about topics, their preparation, how well they speak and all that right, imagine how I critique people on that.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: But we did it, we did it.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: We did it.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: So look at all of them in star broadcasting.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: I told you about some of them last week.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: So what I plan to do and maybe somebody could send these to paulo too.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, send it to him separate if the critique good at taking it.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: If it's not good, I don't want to hear.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: No, nothing, I will.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: Next week we could deal with that, right, I ain't gonna break my spirit here, but I will be publishing over the next few weeks all of those episodes.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: I think we did about 10 together and they were really really very interesting.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: Real is real mini conversations.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: There's nothing like two hours.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: So for all the people who like to complain that two hours is too long and it's talking forever, you're getting some five minute ones and it's with different personalities, different backgrounds and uh different folks who I would love to talk to in more depth, but it's a part of their uh course and their you know, their, their routes to graduate in their course and so on.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: So it would be great if, as I publish those especially people who are custom commenting on youtube and the ones who don't say nothing either, I don't know, I don't know most of the people who listen it would be great if y'all could give some feedback on those.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: Um, on those episodes as I publish them.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: Over the next two weeks is about 10 of them that will come out, are aiming for friday to start putting them out.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: So look out for that now.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: Look out for that now and give me some feedback on that.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: Let me know how you all think about it and if you might want to hear a podcast from some of those people that I spoke to, I think you will.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: My time is up.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: My time is up.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: There's no, there's no meandering mess here.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: I did promise you all that I will end with a song and, in the spirit of independence, this week is only fitted, oh yeah yeah, yeah, you'll be losing your mind.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: Trinidad is my land and of it I am proud and glad.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: But I can't understand why some people are talking bad, but I know all of them will run in the mouth, don't know where they're talking about.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: They will paint you black every day and the right things they will never say.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: Like our sportsmen being rated among the best, our scholars have sit and passed every test and put us right alongside the rest.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: But then our pitch lake is the greatest one of its kind.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: Our sugar and oil is ready, refined.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: So you see, friends, they just talk some nonsense.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: Me ain't know where they're doing it for.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: About so much violence, man, you would swear that we fight in war.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: Of course we have a delinquent service, but just like any other place.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: Look at things they just say about here.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: It's really too much for me to bear, because my people Are daily making progress Without any form of stupidness, and in this way we must gain success, for when we're moving, we all move as one body.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: No bickering between you and me, for our policy stands for racial equality.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: Nowhere not.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: Stranger's spending A little time in this lovely isle Every day.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: You see him.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: He always have a hearty smile.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: When his time is up to the part, he will say with pride in heart I'll be back.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: You could bet your life and if I can't come, I will send my wife.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: As foreigners we call, it doesn't matter whether big or small, or if you're a tough-off friend, we cater for one, and all this is for the Tassel Association.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: All of them we're talking.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: They're either drunk or they're straight man, or maybe they're forgetting.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: Mr Universe belongs to Trinidad.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: And yet we have men of talent and skill With high hopes of improving still.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: And if you think all this is a lie, the mighty sniper won't tell you why.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: Now our steelbanks is the best talent in the world.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: Like a little story that's told, it is written to touch your soul.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: So Trinidad, this lovely land of my both small but overwhelming whole, and, as you know, carnival is the greatest for the color.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: I will see you all in next week.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: Bye, stay safe, be productive.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: All the nice things I like to say in the end.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: Bye, stay safe, be productive.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: All the nice things I like to say in the end, bye.