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Open Line with Dr. Michael Rydelnik - Hour 3: October 31, 2026 - Bible Study with Mike Vanlaningham · The Word On Demand

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S1: Three hours. Are you kidding me? How could we possibly
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S1: have enough questions for three hours? Well, friends, here we are.
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S1: It's the third hour of open Line and the lines
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S1: are filling up. So, so glad you're joining me for
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S1: the third hour of Open Line right now with me,
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S1: Doctor Michael Ray. My guest today, Doctor Michael Van Laningham.
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S1: I'm the professor emeritus of Jewish Studies and Bible at
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S1: the Moody Bible Institute. And Michael is a retired professor
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S1: of Bible at the Moody Bible Institute. And we're having
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S1: the Bible study across America, having a great time talking
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S1: about your questions about the Bible, God, and the spiritual life.
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S1: Only two lines open. So whoever jumps in first with
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S1: your fast dialing finger, now's the time to call with
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S1: your question. Uh, (877) 548-3675. That's eight. (877) 548-3675. See if you
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S1: can get your question in. I hope you can. You
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S1: can always post your question by going to Open line
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S1: radio.org and click on the link that says Ask Michael
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S1: a question. There are so many questions here. We better
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S1: start going. Okay, so let's go right back to the phones, Mike.
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S1: We're going to talk to Mark in Plainfield. I guess Plainfield, Illinois,
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S1: listening on WMBI. Welcome to Open Line, Mark. How can
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S1: we help you?
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S2: Hi, Michael. Can you guys hear me? I'm in my
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S2: truck now. I was at home, but then I had
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S2: to run out. Can you still hear me?
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S1: Yes, I sure can. But you drive safe. Okay.
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S2: I'm going to pull over right now.
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S3: Good. Thank you.
1:41
S2: Um. Uh, I thank you for taking my call and
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S2: first time caller, but I've been a, a long time
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S2: supporter of Moody Bible. Um, so my question is, and
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S2: without naming names, I had a friend who I, That
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S2: I went to church forever. He moved to Texas. Now
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S2: he's a part of a church that believes in, I
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S2: think the pulse millennialism that, uh, that the devil is
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S2: bound and that the world is just that we're just getting.
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S2: It's just keep getting better and better. You know, I
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S2: just wanted to know your opinion on that. What or
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S2: what scripture I can look to that that maybe gives
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S2: a better explanation. I think I know some, but.
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S1: Mhm. Well, first of all, I, I post-millennial means that
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S1: the Lord Jesus will return when, uh, the church ushers
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S1: in this wonderful age of peace and righteousness. And at
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S1: the end of it, the Lord Jesus will return, and
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S1: that Satan is bound and that the church. So we're
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S1: now in the millennium, right? Right. To say that Satan
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S1: is bound today, you know, to say that Satan is
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S1: bound is, I think, uh, seriously mistaken. Uh, and I
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S1: think that that's, uh, that that's just not something. And,
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S1: you know, uh, when I was a student in college
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S1: 50 plus years ago, I remember a teacher saying, you know,
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S1: after World War One, no one believed in postmillennialism anymore.
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S1: And really in 1974, when I was in college, no
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S1: one did believe in Postmillennialism. But somehow, though the world
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S1: has not gotten any better, people still believe in Postmillennialism. And, uh,
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S1: the other thing maybe Mike wants to talk about is
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S1: the order of the, um, millennium in revelation 20, or
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S1: is there something else you were going to mention, Michael?
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S4: Well, one of the things I was going to mention is,
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S4: I mean, I agree with you, Michael, that if this
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S4: is the kingdom and if Satan is bound right now,
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S4: I want my money back because this is not this
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S4: is not a good thing. And, and, um, we have
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S4: to remember that that while Jesus has conquered all the
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S4: demonic powers and authorities and all everything, nevertheless, it doesn't
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S4: mean that they're bound. Um, it talks about how in
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S4: Ephesians chapter six, verse 12, our struggle is not against
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S4: flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers,
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S4: against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual
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S4: forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Um, stand firm, therefore, uh,
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S4: against Satan. And so let me just propose that if
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S4: in fact he's bound, why do we have a struggle?
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S4: Why are we struggling against him? So it's a future
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S4: thing yet. Um, in the book of revelation, it talks
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S4: about how there's going to be the kingdom and it's
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S4: going to be glorious for a thousand years. Satan is
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S4: bound during that time, but it's utopia. It's the Garden
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S4: of Eden on earth for the entire earth. And then
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S4: he's loosed again for one last rebellion that he that's
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S4: put down. And then we get into the eternal state
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S4: after that.
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S3: Yeah. Yeah.
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S1: So, uh, you know, when I look at revelation 19,
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S1: you see, first of all in heaven, the marriage supper
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S1: of the Lamb in revelation 19, where the bride, the church, uh,
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S1: and the Lord Jesus are united forever the marriage supper
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S1: of the Lamb. And then which has the church in
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S1: heaven during the tribulation, because the church has already been raptured.
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S1: And then it says that the Lord Jesus returns the
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S1: rider on the white horse horse. But the armies that
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S1: were in heaven followed him on white horses, wearing pure
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S1: and white linen, just like the bride in the marriage
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S1: supper of the Lamb. So the church returns with him.
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S1: They come to the defense of Israel at the last battle,
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S1: and the church is doing what it was always supposed
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S1: to be doing, which is standing with Israel, not attacking Israel.
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S1: And that is what's going to happen. And he's King
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S1: of kings and Lord of lords. He defeats all the armies.
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S1: Satan is bound. Revelation 20 and then it says, the
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S1: thousand year reign begins. So we've got the marriage supper
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S1: of the Lamb in heaven, the church returning with the
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S1: Lord Jesus at the Second Coming, and then the defeat
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S1: of all these armies at Armageddon. And Satan is bound.
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S1: And then the next step is the millennium, the 1000
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S1: year reign of Jesus on earth, followed by the new
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S1: creation and revelation 21 and 22. So just reading it
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S1: logically doesn't make any sense to to put us in
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S1: the millennium now before the Lord Jesus returns. It just
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S1: doesn't make any sense. So I hope that helps. Mark.
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S1: Does it?
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S2: Do they believe after Christ ascended that that's when all
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S2: this began.
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S1: That's when the kingdom began? Yeah. Because of the the
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S1: birth of the the growth of the church.
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S2: You just think of all the evil things that have happened,
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S2: you know, from then till now like that, like the Holocaust,
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S2: you know, I mean, gosh, how could it? How could
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S2: it be? It's just.
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S1: Yeah. Well, listen, World War One is supposed to have
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S1: put it, put it away, but it didn't. So, uh,
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S1: there's always people that want to believe, uh, things that
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S1: are mistaken. It's sad to me, but, uh, love your friend.
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S1: Encourage him. Uh, I to me, I couldn't go to
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S1: a postmillennial church, but, uh, if he's going there and growing,
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S1: you just want to encourage him and see if maybe
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S1: you can help him understand the scriptures. Thanks for your call, Mark.
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S1: Really appreciate it. We're going to talk to Dan in Scottsdale, Arizona,
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S1: listening online. Welcome to Open Line. Uh, how can we
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S1: help you today?
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S5: Yes. My question is, uh, the tree of life. Is
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S5: that considered to be like Jesus?
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S1: In my opinion, the tree of life is the tree
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S1: of life. It's not symbolic of Jesus. It is a
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S1: tree of life placed in the garden and, uh. And
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S1: then the danger was after they, uh, Adam and Eve fell,
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S1: they would in that condition, eat from the tree of
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S1: life and live forever in their fallen state before being redeemed.
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S1: So the tree of life only becomes active once again
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S1: in the new creation after we have been glorified in
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S1: our bodies. So tree of life is a tree of life.
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S1: What do you think, Mike?
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S4: I agree. Um, we, we have evidence in revelation 22
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S4: that the tree of life is there and the sun
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S4: is there. And so it's not quite that Jesus is
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S4: the tree of life. You have both. And so I
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S4: think it's a literal tree that's symbolic of eternal life.
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S3: Mhm. Yep.
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S1: Tree of life is the tree of life. Sometimes if
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S1: the plain sense actually all the time, if the plain
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S1: sense makes sense, seek no other.
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S3: Sense.
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S1: Lest it result in nonsense. That's the. That's a good
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S1: rule of interpretive, of interpretation. Rule of thumb. Okay. Thanks
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S1: for your call, Dan. We're going to talk to another
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S1: Dan in Deerfield Beach, Florida, listening on WRMB. You know,
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S1: I'm coming to Florida in January. Uh, we're going to
9:03
S1: do an open line live down in Boca Raton that's
9:07
S1: not far from Deerfield Beach, is it?
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S6: No, not at all. Uh, pretty close.
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S1: And I don't know if that's opened yet for registration. Well,
9:16
S1: while you're asking your question, I'll check on that. Go
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S1: ahead with your question.
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S6: Well, um.
9:27
S1: Go ahead with your question.
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S6: Our our political, um, elections are being held in a
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S6: few days. And, uh. I know Jesus says to love
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S6: your enemies. Does that include political Enemies as well, because
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S6: I'm having. A problem with. Enemies of our country that
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S6: are infiltrating our government. Um.
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S1: Like you know what? Let's just stop here. I see
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S1: your question is written here. Uh, and, uh, this is
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S1: what you're asking. Can we love Muslims? Now, I, I
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S1: recognize that political Islam is distinct from, from just a religion.
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S1: It's a political ideology. And, uh, with that said, uh, I,
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S1: I don't think that the Lord Jesus is making distinctions here.
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S1: We're to love our enemies and to love them means
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S1: to want what is best for them. What is best
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S1: for anyone, whether you like the religion of Islam or not,
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S1: is to want what's best for Muslims. Whether you, uh,
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S1: don't appreciate political Islam or not is to want what
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S1: is best for them. And what is best for them
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S1: is to come to know the Lord Jesus. And so
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S1: you need to be praying for your enemies to come
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S1: to know the Lord Jesus. You need to be praying
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S1: for them to experience God's goodness and his forgiveness. By
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S1: knowing the Lord Jesus, you need to pray. Praying for
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S1: people to bring them the gospel. Uh. That's how you
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S1: can love your enemies and not, uh, and not think
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S1: of people as just our enemies. Think of them as
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S1: people whom God loves. Don't you think?
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S4: Mike V write in Romans chapter 12, starting at verse 20. Um,
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S4: this is citing the Old Testament now. But if your
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S4: enemy is hungry, feed him. And if he is thirsty,
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S4: give him a drink. For in so doing you will
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S4: heap burning coals on his head. Nobody knows what that means,
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S4: by the way. And then it goes on to say,
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S4: do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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S4: And my suggestion would be, Dan, that if you knew,
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S4: if you know Muslim people who are around you with
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S4: whom you're personally acquainted, then you should absolutely be practicing
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S4: that as they have needs. If you can serve them
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S4: and help them, then you should. It would be the
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S4: right thing to do. And it's also my opinion, the
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S4: right thing to do, to ask God to frustrate the
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S4: efforts of Muslim terrorists and any terrorist, and that God
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S4: would keep them from such horrendous activity. And so it's
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S4: perfectly legit to do both things, I believe.
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S1: You know, I just want to say my wife, Eva,
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S1: we had a neighbor when we lived in Chicago. She
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S1: was a very, very serious Muslim. She wore the not
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S1: just a hijab. She wore her. You could only see
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S1: her eyes, you know, she was completely covered. And she
12:37
S1: had a new baby. And the day that she walked
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S1: out the first time with the new baby, Eva went up.
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S1: We were walking our dogs and let me see your
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S1: new baby and talked with her. And then always made
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S1: an effort all the time to be as loving and
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S1: kind to this woman. Uh, every time she saw her. And,
12:55
S1: you know, they started bringing. This is so wild. She
12:58
S1: would bring food to our house. Uh, there were some
13:01
S1: times when we weren't able to cook because of some
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S1: medical things, and she just would bring food to house spontaneously. Uh,
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S1: just we had such a sweet because of eva relationship
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S1: with this neighbor. And, and, and the main thing that
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S1: Eva was operating under is a key rule of evangelism,
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S1: which is love people till they ask you why. And
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S1: it was very unusual for a Jewish family where we
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S1: were clearly Jewish. I don't think we we were, as
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S1: evidently followers of Jesus, although she did find out that
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S1: we were followers of Jesus, but we were clearly Jewish
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S1: and yet we loved her and she wanted to know why.
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S1: And that's the key. Love people until they ask you why.
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S1: And that's that's even people that have a religion that
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S1: we disagree with. So anyway, thanks for your call. I
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S1: really appreciate it. Uh, we're going to take a break here.
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14:38
S1: I'm Michael Ray. Mike Vanlandingham is here with me. Uh,
14:41
S1: I'm getting used to having you here. I don't know
14:43
S1: if I can do this program without you, Mike V, that's.
14:46
S3: Uh.
14:46
S4: I like I said, I don't think you need no help.
14:50
S1: I think I do, but anyway, it's great having you here.
14:53
S1: I really appreciate it. Uh, you know, we, we have
14:56
S1: been associated as team members at Moody Bible Institute for
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S1: a long time. You know, I would go through the
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S1: halls and people would say, because they have the moody
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S1: commentary which we worked on together, they'd say, love the
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S1: two Michaels. They would people that worked at, uh, at
15:14
S1: the school, others, not the faculty. They didn't care much
15:17
S1: about us. But the no, that's not true. But just
15:21
S1: people who worked in radio or just in, in the,
15:25
S1: the different administrative floors, uh, they would always talk about
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15:32
S1: and I just appreciated that so much because we, we
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S1: are a team. I mean, that was six and a
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S1: half years of our life.
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S3: Six and a half years.
15:39
S1: Yeah. That was amazing. And, uh, I love all the
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S1: teammates I work with on Moody Radio. Uh, what a
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15:51
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S4: Or the Daniel commentary written by.
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S3: None other than.
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S4: Michael Ray.
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S3: Dolnick.
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S1: They would send yours, not mine. I don't know why
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S3: It was my radio program.
16:42
S4: They put Daniel out, too. Michael. They did?
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S3: Yeah.
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S1: Yeah. So anyway, uh, if you're interested in becoming part
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S1: are going to talk to Diane in Concord, New Hampshire,
17:14
S1: listening on W. I think that's W and H. My
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S1: eyes are not so good anymore, but that's what it is,
17:22
S1: I think. Welcome to Open Line, Diane. Welcome from New
17:25
S1: England to the Midwest here. How can we help you?
17:30
S7: Yeah. Thanks for taking my call.
17:31
S1: Hey, what's it like in Concord, New Hampshire, these days.
17:34
S1: Is it cold yet?
17:36
S7: Somehow I knew you would ask that question. It is cold.
17:39
S7: We've had like, very still. The sun is warm by
17:43
S7: like 2 or 3 or 4:00 in the afternoon. But
17:46
S7: we've had some frost pretty much every morning for the
17:49
S7: past couple of weeks. All the leaves are off the
17:51
S7: trees except for the oaks, but yeah.
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S1: Well, you know, I used to live in New York
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S1: and I thought, I'll never live in New England because
17:59
S1: it's too cold. So what did I do? Now I
18:01
S1: live in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and it's so stinking cold.
18:05
S1: And it snows like from November through February every day.
18:08
S1: I don't know what I'm doing here, but you know,
18:10
S1: my grandkids are here. What can I say? So there
18:13
S1: you go. Yeah.
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S7: I wouldn't trade you though.
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S1: No.
18:16
S3: Um.
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S7: My question is from Genesis. And the verse 316, when
18:27
S7: God did the consequences of their choices to the woman
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S7: and the man, and that second part of 16 where
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S7: it says, your desire shall be for your husband, and
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S7: he will rule over you. And I know this is controversial,
18:46
S7: and I'm just looking for some clarity, because I've come
18:51
S7: across people who won't commit to anything on that verse.
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S7: But when I go to the concordance and look up desire. Um,
18:59
S7: and then it goes to the Hebrew, it's corresponds it
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S7: to um, chapter four. And it also corresponds it to
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S7: the word used in Song of Songs. But the other
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S7: words listed under desire are, are something different. So, um,
19:17
S7: looking for perspective.
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S1: Okay, so the word is used. The word tissue is
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S1: used three times in the Hebrew Bible. Uh, perhaps in
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S1: Song of Solomon. It refers to romantic desire, but clearly
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S1: in Genesis It does not in Genesis, because we have
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S1: almost a virtually identical phrase in the very next chapter,
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S1: in chapter four. And I think that's designed to give
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S1: us a clue as to what it means in Genesis 316.
19:47
S1: And so I'm going to just go to Genesis four
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S1: and read you what it says. Uh, this is when
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S1: Cain is thinking about killing his brother Abel, right? And
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S1: the Lord, the Lord says to him, uh, if you
20:03
S1: do not do what is right here, ready? Sin is this.
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S1: Verse seven. Sin is crouching at the door. Its desire
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S1: is for you. There's the word desire. Its desire is what?
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S1: To to control you. Its desire is to control you.
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S1: That's the idea of desire. That's what sin wants to do. Cain.
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S1: Sin's desire is for you. It's to control you. But
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S1: you must rule over it. You must dominate that desire
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S1: to sin. Uh, and so then you go back to
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S1: Genesis 316, and now God has already made the man
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S1: the leadership of, of the family in Genesis two. What
20:44
S1: do we know about man's leadership of the earth? He's
20:48
S1: the one given to name all the animals. That's his.
20:53
S1: That's a mark of dominion. And then when Eve is
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S1: is made, the first thing he does is he names her.
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S1: And so, uh, that shows that he's already the leader in,
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S1: in God's design of the family he's to lead. Not
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S1: that she's inferior, but there's a, a relationship of leadership,
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S1: a complementarian relationship. Uh, and then in Genesis three, when
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S1: they sin, uh, your desire to control. That's the idea
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S1: will be for your husband, but he will dominate you.
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S1: And that's the idea of rule. I think this is
21:36
S1: the battle of the sexes, because God created man to
21:38
S1: be a servant leader, and God created the woman to
21:41
S1: defer to his leadership. And then what happens in the
21:45
S1: in the fallen marriage state is that the wife will
21:50
S1: desire to rule, to control, and the husband will desire
21:53
S1: to dominate. And they're not going to reflect in the
21:56
S1: fallen state what God intended marriage to be from the start,
22:00
S1: which was the husband to be servant leader, the wife
22:03
S1: to be the deferential spouse. And what happens is, uh,
22:09
S1: control and domination happening. It's the battle of the sexes.
22:13
S1: And that's why in Ephesians five, and I'm going to
22:16
S1: let Michael talk about this, uh, Ephesians five in, in
22:20
S1: the Messiah coming to faith in Jesus. What does that
22:23
S1: do for marriage? It leads to the husband being a
22:26
S1: servant leader. Go ahead Mike.
22:28
S4: Well, I, I think a lot of women look at
22:31
S4: the idea of being submissive, and they really bristle at that.
22:35
S4: And frankly, if I were married to their husbands, if
22:37
S4: I were a woman married to their husbands, I might
22:39
S4: bristle too, because some husbands are way, way too inclined
22:43
S4: to want to oppress their wives. But, um, the harder role,
22:47
S4: in my opinion, according to Ephesians in Ephesians chapter five,
22:50
S4: starting at verse 22, is the husbands role. It says,
22:53
S4: husbands love your wives, just as Christ also loved the
22:55
S4: church and gave himself up for her. It sounds like
22:58
S4: that that the husbands role is to be a sacrificial,
23:02
S4: loving mate and not just somebody who browbeats his wife
23:07
S4: so that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by
23:10
S4: the washing of water with the word go, and goes
23:12
S4: on from there. The wives be submissive to your husbands.
23:15
S4: Seems to me it's easier for a wife to be
23:17
S4: submissive to a godly, loving husband. But even if she's
23:23
S4: not married to a man like that, it's still her
23:25
S4: responsibility to do her very best to be submissive to him,
23:29
S4: no matter what his spiritual condition might be.
23:32
S1: But the point in Ephesians five. Don't you think, is
23:35
S1: it's overcoming that fallen state of the battle of the sexes,
23:38
S1: the rulership, the control, the, the, the domination. And instead
23:43
S1: the wife is deferring to her husband and the husband
23:46
S1: is the servant leader. And that's what God intended marriage
23:50
S1: to be from the outset.
23:51
S4: We absolutely now have the resources in Christ to reverse that.
23:56
S4: And we should, with the power of the Holy Spirit
23:58
S4: and with the help of Jesus in our heart, we
24:01
S4: can come closer to what God's ideal is for marriage.
24:04
S4: As we see with Adam and Eve before the fall.
24:07
S3: Yep.
24:07
S1: That's it. Anyway, thanks for your call, I appreciate it. Uh,
24:12
S1: we only have a minute, but I think we can
24:14
S1: answer this one quickly. Lisa, if you ask your question
24:18
S1: right away, uh, we can answer it.
24:23
S3: Hi.
24:24
S8: Um, thank you for taking my call. My question is,
24:28
S8: I'm going to set it up in, um.
24:30
S1: You don't set it up. Just ask your question. Just
24:33
S1: go ahead.
24:33
S8: Oh, I was just wondering, um, we're after Jesus was born, um,
24:39
S8: through his childhood up until he started his ministry, where
24:42
S8: did it get lost that he was the Messiah?
24:45
S1: It was never lost. It was never lost. I don't
24:48
S1: think Mary for a second, uh, doubted what had happened
24:52
S1: to her. She didn't doubt the shepherds coming. She didn't doubt, uh,
24:56
S1: the the Magi coming. She knew that story. So did Joseph. Uh,
25:01
S1: I'm sure that others knew it as well. Elizabeth knew it. Uh,
25:06
S1: there's no doubt. But the actual public ministry only began
25:11
S1: with the baptism of the Lord Jesus at the with
25:15
S1: the ministry of John the Baptist. Don't you think, Michael?
25:17
S1: That's when it went public.
25:18
S4: Yes. That's it. I mean, we do have the episode
25:20
S4: in Luke chapter two of Jesus when he was 12,
25:23
S4: went up to Jerusalem with his parents, and he gives
25:26
S4: evidence that he's aware of his messianic relationship with God
25:29
S4: the Father. Um, did you not know that I had
25:32
S4: to be in my father's house? That's not Jacob's house.
25:35
S4: Joseph's house. That's God's house.
25:39
S1: Well, that it's not forgotten. It was there. We'll be
25:42
S1: right back with the mailbag in just a moment. So
25:44
S1: stay with us. This is open line with the two Michaels.
26:04
S1: Welcome back to Open Line. I'm here today with Mike
26:07
S1: Van Laningham. Hi, my name is Michael Ray Dolnick, and
26:09
S1: I'm so glad that Eva Rader is joining me right
26:13
S1: now with the FEBC mailbag. So grateful that Far Eastern
26:18
S1: Broadcasting Company partners with us to bring you the mailbag
26:21
S1: every week for three hours. Really, really appreciate that. And, uh,
26:26
S1: they do a marvelous job reaching people with media and
26:29
S1: with personal engagement. If you want to check out and
26:31
S1: learn more about them, their website is febc.org. And also
26:37
S1: they have a great podcast called Until All Have Heard
26:40
S1: with our friend Ed Cannon, who's the president of Febc.
26:44
S1: Don't miss out on that. Check that out as well.
26:47
S1: And I'm so glad that Eva's here. You know, Mike,
26:50
S1: people never want to meet me. They always want to
26:52
S1: meet Eva.
26:54
S4: I can see why. Michael, I can't stand you. But
26:56
S4: I love your wife.
26:57
S3: She's great. Listen, I feel the same way.
26:59
S1: About suing you. You know, we love Sue.
27:02
S3: Okay?
27:03
S1: So people want to meet Eva. I'm going to tell
27:05
S1: you now how you can meet Eva. If you are
27:07
S1: really interested in meeting Eva. She's going to be at
27:09
S1: the summit next week, Saturday at, uh, Moody Bible Institute.
27:14
S1: We're doing the really important summit opposing the new Christian anti-Semitism.
27:19
S1: It's reviving again. There's an old Christian anti-Semitism. The new
27:23
S1: Christian anti-Semitism looks awfully similar. And we are going to
27:27
S1: address it. It's very important. If you want to find
27:29
S1: out all the details, just go to our website, Open
27:32
S1: Line radio.org. Click on the link about the summit. And remember,
27:35
S1: if you do register and I hope you will, if
27:37
S1: you are within the sound of my voice, you can
27:40
S1: be there. And when you register, put in the code
27:43
S1: radio 20, you get 20% off for a very, very
27:46
S1: minimal registration fee anyway. And so hopefully we'll see you
27:51
S1: next week. Mike V is going to be there, but
27:52
S1: you get to meet Eva in person. Also, uh, someone
27:56
S1: called earlier from Florida, from South Florida listening on W,
28:00
S1: R and B and what they, uh, were asking, I
28:04
S1: mentioned that I was going to be there and yes, indeed, uh,
28:08
S1: you can come and register. It's the registration is open. Uh,
28:13
S1: we're going to be in Boca Raton and it's going
28:16
S1: to be a great conference. And so check it out.
28:19
S1: There's a link on our website, Open Line Radio. The
28:24
S1: link says Open line radio.org. The link says Open Line
28:27
S1: Live Tour. Click on that and you'll see the information
28:30
S1: about Boca Raton. We're going to be at Crossbridge Church
28:33
S1: on January 23rd. I believe the date is. Yeah, that's it.
28:37
S1: So don't miss out. And we're going to actually be
28:40
S1: doing a conference with Chosen People Ministries. Uh, Friday night,
28:43
S1: I'll be telling my Rich Freeman speaking on Friday night,
28:47
S1: but Rich Freeman, uh, though he's speaking, I'm going to
28:50
S1: speak about something that people always are nudging me to
28:53
S1: talk about, uh, which is how I came to know
28:56
S1: the Lord Jesus. I'm going to tell that Friday night,
28:58
S1: and then Saturday we'll have an open line live that's
29:01
S1: going to be a great conference and evil will be there.
29:04
S1: So everyone that wants to meet Eva, that's when you
29:07
S1: get to meet you. That's another one. Uh, is there
29:09
S1: any other thing coming up where people will meet either? Yes,
29:12
S1: the cruise will be going to Alaska, and that'll be
29:15
S1: the fun part. I get to teach. Carl Claussen gets
29:17
S1: to teach Micah Tyler's leading worship, but who's going to
29:20
S1: be talking to everyone and being kind to everyone and
29:22
S1: looking out for everyone? Oh, that will be Eva. So,
29:25
S1: you know.
29:25
S9: Milling around, saying hi to folks. That's what I do.
29:28
S1: That's right. So anyway, uh, let's go to the mailbag.
29:30
S9: Okay. Justin from Illinois, who listens on WMI, says he
29:34
S9: attends an addiction group at his church.
29:36
S1: Oh, we already did this one. First hour.
29:38
S9: 000, that's right, that's right. The first hour is so
29:42
S9: long ago. Yeah, I forgot that we did it. Never mind.
29:46
S9: Let's let's hear about Gary's question. Gabby, who listens in
29:50
S9: South Carolina, she says as a rather new Jewish follower
29:55
S9: of Jesus the Messiah, I struggle with the concept of
29:58
S9: Jesus being God. Yeshua never refers to Himself as God.
30:02
S9: He always refers to the father as separate. However, the
30:06
S9: only way to the father is through believing in Yeshua.
30:10
S9: John actually suggested Yeshua is actually God. However, he makes
30:13
S9: that claim when Yeshua never said that himself. Can you
30:17
S9: help me figure this out?
30:18
S1: Yeah. Listen, I just want to say, a lot of
30:21
S1: times Jewish believers have a hard time figuring out the
30:26
S1: triunity of God. And I'm going to tell you why
30:29
S1: that is. And Mike will corroborate this. It's because Gentiles
30:33
S1: have a hard time also figuring out what the triunity
30:38
S1: of God. How it works. And I had a hard
30:42
S1: time figuring that out. Someone once called up the program, said,
30:46
S1: can you give a simple explanation of the Trinity? No,
30:50
S1: I can't. Uh, but I can tell you the Bible
30:53
S1: teaches it. And I also want to add here that
30:57
S1: the Lord Jesus affirmed it, not just those around him,
31:00
S1: but he himself affirmed it. I'm going to show you
31:03
S1: one place, maybe two. Uh, and then Mike V, I
31:07
S1: don't know if you want to jump in on this.
31:08
S3: Sure.
31:09
S1: But, uh, in Matthew 26. Uh. This is when the
31:16
S1: Lord Jesus is on trial and before the high priest.
31:20
S1: And in Matthew 26, I think it's around verse.
31:23
S9: 64.
31:24
S1: I think. Yeah.
31:24
S9: Mhm.
31:25
S1: Uh, this is what it says in verse 63. Jesus
31:32
S1: is silent. The high priest said to him, by the
31:34
S1: living God, I place you under oath. So now he
31:38
S1: has to answer. Tell us if you're the Messiah, the
31:42
S1: Son of God. The term Son of God means deity.
31:45
S1: Back in Psalm two. Okay. And what the Lord Jesus
31:50
S1: says is, you've said it. Now some people say you
31:52
S1: said it, not me, but he's saying, you said it.
31:54
S1: I've said it when I've when I use that term,
31:57
S1: you've said it. It means, yeah, I agree with you.
32:00
S1: But then he says, I tell you in the future
32:04
S1: you will see the Son of Man seated at the
32:06
S1: right hand of the power and coming in the clouds
32:10
S1: of heaven. That's a quotation from Daniel 713. If you
32:14
S1: go back to Daniel 713, a lot of people think
32:17
S1: Son of Man refers to the full humanity of Jesus.
32:20
S1: I do not think that if you go back to
32:22
S1: Daniel 713, there's the the father image in the vision
32:28
S1: that Daniel sees, and that's the Ancient of Days. And
32:32
S1: there are thrones, a throne for the for the Ancient
32:35
S1: of Days and a throne for one other. And who
32:37
S1: is that? That's the Son of Man. And the way
32:42
S1: Daniel puts it, one like a son of man deity
32:46
S1: figure that looks like the son, like a like a
32:51
S1: human being. He looks like a human being, but he's deity.
32:54
S1: And he says that the Son of Man will be
32:59
S1: seated at the right hand of power on that other throne,
33:01
S1: fully God. And he will come on the clouds of heaven.
33:05
S1: And so when the Lord Jesus says this, it is
33:07
S1: so clear that he is affirming his full deity that.
33:11
S1: What does the High priest do? He tears his robes
33:13
S1: and said he's blasphemed. How is he blasphemed? By calling
33:16
S1: himself God. So in this verse right here, the Lord
33:19
S1: Jesus is claiming deity. What did you want to add
33:22
S1: to that, Michael?
33:23
S4: Just I, I think every time the the phrase son
33:27
S4: of Man is used in the Gospels in particular, it
33:31
S4: really is a reference to Jesus's deity, as you've just said,
33:35
S4: that tie back to Daniel.
33:38
S3: Every.
33:38
S1: Time he says the Son of Man came to seek
33:40
S1: and to save or whatever it is.
33:42
S3: Right?
33:42
S1: He's not just saying I'm fully human. He's saying I'm
33:45
S1: the Son of Man described in Daniel seven.
33:47
S4: Yeah, exactly.
33:48
S1: Yeah. And Eva, you wanted to mention a couple of
33:51
S1: verses from John.
33:52
S9: Well, yeah. And John in John chapter eight, uh, sort
33:56
S9: of toward the end of that passage, it's the same
33:58
S9: what you can sort of understand. You can see what
34:00
S9: people heard him saying by their reaction to what he said.
34:04
S9: And in John chapter eight, in verse 58 and 59,
34:09
S9: He uh, issue was had has said that your father
34:13
S9: Abraham rejoiced to see my day. And Abraham saw it
34:17
S9: and was glad. And the people, the Jewish people who
34:20
S9: heard him said, you're not 50 years old. How could
34:23
S9: you have seen Abraham? And Jesus said to them, truly
34:26
S9: I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am. Therefore
34:32
S9: they picked up stones to stone him.
34:35
S1: So they understood what he was saying.
34:38
S9: They understood what he was saying. And the same thing
34:40
S9: happened a couple, couple chapters later, John writes for us
34:43
S9: that that Jesus said before. Before that the father and.
34:48
S1: The father.
34:48
S9: Are.
34:48
S1: One.
34:49
S9: The father and I are one. And they said, ha!
34:54
S9: They said, for a good work we do not stone you,
34:58
S9: because they wanted to stone him when he said it,
35:00
S9: but for blasphemy, and because you, being a man, make
35:04
S9: yourself out to be God. So he did claim to
35:08
S9: be God. He did identify as God.
35:10
S1: Yeah. So that's a really important thing. It's much to
35:12
S1: be said about the deity of the Messiah throughout the Gospels,
35:17
S1: but the the old fallacy that Jesus never claimed it.
35:20
S1: Not true. He did. He himself claimed it. And Michael
35:24
S1: wants to add one more thing.
35:25
S4: Well, and one one thing too. I mean, Jesus purposefully
35:28
S4: did not advertise that he was the Messiah God incarnate,
35:33
S4: because there would have been probably a revolt centered upon
35:37
S4: him in. In which case they would have tried to
35:39
S4: make Jesus overthrow the Romans, and that would have been wrong.
35:42
S4: That's not why Jesus came on the first coming. And
35:45
S4: so he kept things pretty quiet and didn't tell people
35:49
S4: for that reason, I think.
35:50
S1: And by the way, I always like to say that
35:52
S1: the incarnate son was God incognito. I like that.
35:56
S3: Right.
35:57
S1: Yeah. Okay, let's ask one more question.
35:59
S9: Okay. Let's let's let's do one more question. Um, Raphael
36:03
S9: in Florida, who listens on KES says When Jesus says,
36:08
S9: either you are with me or you are against me.
36:11
S9: Why does Jesus not leave space for neutral ground about
36:15
S9: believing in him? Why? Either or?
36:18
S1: I don't think it's possible to be neutral about Jesus,
36:21
S1: even if people think they are. You know, they've got
36:23
S1: good feelings, they're Jesus positive and all that. But here's
36:25
S1: the thing. It made me think of this old phrase
36:27
S1: you can't be a little pregnant. You're either for him
36:31
S1: or or not. You're either pregnant or you're not. And, uh,
36:35
S1: anyone that decides that, no, I'm not for him. Uh,
36:40
S1: believe in him. I don't believe in him. Then doesn't
36:43
S1: matter if you feel good feelings about him or.
36:46
S9: Kind of Jesus positive.
36:47
S1: Yeah, I if you if you drown in the ocean
36:51
S1: or you drown in your bathtub, doesn't matter. You're still drowned.
36:55
S1: And if you don't believe in Jesus fully, don't put
36:57
S1: your trust in him that he died for you and
36:59
S1: rose again. It doesn't matter if you're neutral, positive, whatever, uh,
37:03
S1: or just out outand out hostile. You're still not not
37:07
S1: with him. And. And that's what that means.
37:09
S3: Mike.
37:10
S4: Yeah. And, uh, revelation chapter three, the reading in the
37:14
S4: message to the church in Laodicea, Jesus says, because you
37:18
S4: are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I will spit
37:21
S4: you out of my mouth. Literally. The Greek could be translated,
37:24
S4: I will vomit you out of my mouth. That sounds pretty, pretty,
37:28
S4: pretty final and lukewarm. Does Jesus want hot people? Yes.
37:34
S4: Does he want cold people? Well, people say, well, you
37:36
S4: can't be cold for Jesus. Well, except hot is a
37:40
S4: hot drink is really refreshing in the winter, and a
37:43
S4: cold drink is really refreshing in the summer. But lukewarm
37:46
S4: is not good at any time.
37:48
S3: And anytime.
37:48
S4: Jesus.
37:49
S3: Wants.
37:49
S4: People to be hot and or cold for him, because
37:53
S4: that's how they're going to be really committed to him.
37:56
S3: That's it.
37:57
S1: Well, thanks for those questions, Eva. We're going to break here. Uh,
38:01
S1: when we come back, we'll take a few more questions.
38:04
S1: The calls are still up there. We're going to do
38:06
S1: as many as we can. Uh, I'm so grateful that
38:08
S1: Eva came in with the mailbag. Mike V is here
38:11
S1: helping me answer the questions. Grateful for all of you listening,
38:14
S1: especially those of you who are calling. Really, really appreciate
38:16
S1: that we're going to hopefully meet you live sometime soon, uh,
38:22
S1: maybe even next week at the summit. Be right back.
38:25
S1: This is Michael Ray, Dominic and Mike Vanlandingham on Open Line.
38:37
S1: Welcome back to Open Line. I'm Michael. Mike Vanlandingham is
38:41
S1: here with me today. Thank you so much for joining me. Michael.
38:44
S1: And I, you know, I sometimes forget at the end
38:47
S1: of the program, but I just can't even begin to
38:49
S1: say how much I appreciate the whole team being here.
38:52
S1: Shane answering the phones and Omar making sure that everything
38:55
S1: sounds good, and Karen talking to the callers and making
38:58
S1: sure everything is is right when we go on the
39:01
S1: air and I just. And even Tara, who's been helping
39:05
S1: out today. Uh, and I appreciate her input as well.
39:09
S1: What a great team God has given me to work
39:11
S1: with here. So appreciate all of you. Uh, and I
39:16
S1: did want to say that chosen People ministry is part
39:18
S1: of the team. They have been with us from day one,
39:21
S1: and I appreciate their partnership with Open Line. And they
39:24
S1: are offering you a free messianic Jewish calendar. It is
39:29
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39:31
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39:34
S1: I found Shalom faith stories. It's got a little, little
39:38
S1: blurb of, of a faith story of an individual each month.
39:41
S1: And it's got a QR code. You can click on
39:43
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39:48
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39:51
S1: that you can boom just like that. Get that by
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S1: clicking on the QR code and the QR code will
39:59
S1: take you to that person's faith story. What I think
40:02
S1: is kind of cool is this calendar, this time has
40:04
S1: even my faith story on it, and I'm glad that
40:07
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40:09
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40:23
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40:32
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40:37
S1: in Alaska. Uh, I think that's, uh, kind of exciting, uh,
40:44
S1: that we're going to go to a cruise in Alaska.
40:46
S1: Iva will be there, so you get to meet Iva. Uh,
40:48
S1: and so check that out. That's on the website. The
40:50
S1: link is there as well. And that leads me to say,
40:54
S1: I want to talk with Tony in Ketchikan, Alaska, listening
40:59
S1: on KTM. Uh, because you're in Alaska. I don't know
41:02
S1: if I'm going to be in Ketchikan, I hope so.
41:04
S1: I have to look at the itinerary of that cruise.
41:06
S1: But welcome to Open Line. Tony, how can we help you?
41:10
S10: I hope you are going to be, uh, thank you,
41:12
S10: doctors to Michael's. And, uh, I am a coffee table partner.
41:19
S10: Thank you. And I want to say thank you for
41:22
S10: having one hour and through your program. I so very
41:24
S10: much appreciated, but I need, uh, if you please, I
41:28
S10: need the help. If you can coach me into one
41:31
S10: challenge I have with the family members, they, uh, according
41:36
S10: to the Bible, it says our body is a temple
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S10: of the God of God. And the family members have
41:43
S10: tattoos and some are okay, and some are very kind,
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S10: evil figures. And, uh, I'm trying to talk into, but
41:53
S10: I would like, if you please give me some input, some, uh, Guidance,
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S10: how to talk to these family members about tattoos that
42:03
S10: they have on their bodies.
42:04
S1: Well, what are their tattoos signify? What do they say?
42:09
S10: Um, I cannot really interpret it, but they have this
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S10: feverish of evil stuff, like.
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S1: Evil stuff that's never good. Even wearing a chain with
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S1: a pendant, that's evil. So. But here, let me just
42:22
S1: talk about tattoos. Uh, Leviticus 1928 says you're not to
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S1: make gashes on your bodies for the dead or put
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S1: tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord. Now, I
42:33
S1: don't think that what they have now, most people that
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S1: have tattoos, they have a rose someplace or, uh, a
42:39
S1: name or sometimes a Hebrew word or something like that.
42:42
S1: They're not doing that because they're involved in pagan worship.
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S1: And that's what this is forbidding, uh, engaging in Canaanite
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S1: worship with tattoos. And so no, I don't think that
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S1: applies to the tattoos that people are getting. I'm glad
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S1: I don't have a tattoo. I wish that no one
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S1: I knew had tattoos, but I don't think that they're
43:06
S1: disobeying this. There was a guy that called me up
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S1: once at home. He got my number somehow and he said,
43:10
S1: I heard you answering Bible questions. And he said, uh,
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S1: my daughter has a tattoo. Um, and I'm thinking about
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S1: kicking her out of the house. She's like 19 years old.
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S1: She's a college student living at home. I said, what
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S1: is her tattoo say? And he said, Jesus. And she
43:28
S1: had it on her foot. So whenever she, uh, looked
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S1: down at her foot, she would see the name Jesus
43:34
S1: and remind her to look up. And I thought, man,
43:37
S1: this guy's got a 19 year old daughter that loves
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S1: Jesus and he wants to throw her out. That would
43:42
S1: be a big mistake. So I asked him, what did
43:44
S1: he eat for breakfast that previous Saturday? I guessed and
43:49
S1: I was right, he said I had bacon and eggs.
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S1: And I said, you know, Leviticus 11, just a few
43:55
S1: chapters away, would forbid you to eat bacon. But you
43:59
S1: did anyway. And and he said, well, that's different. I said, why?
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S1: Because he said, we're not under the law. I said, well,
44:06
S1: tattoos are there under the law. And, uh, and he said, oh.
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S1: And I said, don't call me at my house again, but,
44:16
S1: you know, go embrace your daughter and tell her you
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S1: love her. That's what I told him to do. And so, uh,
44:21
S1: I actually went to guest speak at a church the
44:23
S1: following Saturday and Sunday, and he was a visitor there,
44:27
S1: which was kind of surprised me. He said, oh, you're
44:28
S1: the guy I talked to. So but anyway, the point
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S1: is we need to be as gracious as we can
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S1: be there, not disobeying, especially if they're, uh, you know,
44:39
S1: a lot of things are pretty benign and, and love
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S1: people and care about them and not actually argue with
44:47
S1: them about their tattoos. That's what I would say. That's my,
44:50
S1: my best answer that I can give you. Okay.
44:55
S10: You said if there were some English figures.
44:57
S1: Then what you want to do is see their heart
44:59
S1: turn to the Lord, and then you deal with that.
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S1: First you want to see them turn their heart to
45:04
S1: the Lord. Okay.
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S10: Very much appreciate it.
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S1: Before you deal with the skin, deal with the heart.
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S1: That's that's what you want to deal with. So anyway, uh,
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S1: someone asked, and I don't think I have time to
45:17
S1: get you on the air, but they want to know
45:18
S1: what's the single best statement to begin a conversation about
45:22
S1: Jesus with the Jewish person. And, Mike, I think you're
45:26
S1: going to believe I don't think a single statement does
45:28
S1: it do what it does have a life. In Romans 1111,
45:33
S1: it says, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make
45:35
S1: Jewish people jealous. We need to talk about our lives,
45:38
S1: what our relationship with the Lord is. Uh, God answered
45:42
S1: my prayers. God gave me encouragement. The word of God.
45:45
S1: This verse from the Bible really spoke to me. Don't
45:48
S1: you think that's the best way? Is.
45:51
S4: Yeah, that's that's how people are going to be attracted.
45:54
S4: That's how they're going to start asking questions. And I
45:57
S4: think that is the way to go.
45:58
S3: Yeah.
45:59
S1: So establish a relationship. Talk about your own walk with
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S1: the Lord. And, uh, and then they're going to say, mm,
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S1: I want what you have and then they'll ask you
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S1: about it. So that's where I'd go. Can you believe it?
46:11
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46:28
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