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Patrick Henningsen: Propaganda, War and Digital ID · UK Column Radio

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I'll start by telling you my story.
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So let me tell you a story about a young man who went to the big
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city to as young people do to try to make it in the big city
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professionally in their career and so forth.
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And I, that was that young man was me.
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So spoiler alert, but I, I had a really unique job.
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I I had AI, had a job where I interacted with every single
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level of society, every class, every nationality.
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From kitchen Porter to the dust man to the plumber, to middle
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management, to corporate officers, to CEOs, to the
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chairman of the biggest investment banks in the world,
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to government officials, politicians, celebrities and
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their entourages. Even the royal family and quote
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global elites is a very unique job and surprisingly accessible.
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And it didn't pay extremely well, but it paid well if you
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worked enough hours. So I, I, I observed a lot.
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I watched a lot. The entry point was through the
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hospitality industry and the events industry.
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So you kind of a family on the wall for everybody in society.
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And the more I watched and observed, the more I got very
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interested in how the machinery of society and the world and
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politics fascinated how commerce, industry, banking, how
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this all works, how this this thing works, this machinery
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works, and everybody playing this role in this thing we call
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society and the world. But I wasn't really politically
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active. I read a lot.
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I read a lot of newspapers. Every week I'd buy a big stack
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by every single newspaper, from the News of the World to the
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Guardian, Telegraph, everything in between, there's a big stack.
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I spent most Saturdays and Sundays going through it over
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coffee. And then a couple of significant
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global events took place, which had a profound impact on me in
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the sense that I they pulled me in to become more active.
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I was pulled off the sidelines of watching what was going on
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and being informed. One of them was the second
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intifada in Palestine. That was late 90s.
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And before that, my knowledge of Israel and Palestine, the Middle
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East was, was murky at best, typical American worldview
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basically. And then 9/11 happened.
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And that was also interesting because I was, I was an American
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in London. So I was removed for I was out
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of the, the, the blast zone, if you will, Ground Zero, not just
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the World Trade Centres, but Ground Zero of the propaganda
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and the gravitational pull in America.
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In terms of propaganda war, it's powerful.
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If those of you who have spent time in that country or been
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there during a major war, you know what I'm talking about.
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The indoctrination is, is is really powerful and I was
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outside of that for 911. So that kind of gave me a little
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bit of breathing space to look at 911 from a not a safe
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distance, but a good enough. This I remember I was, I was, I
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was in, I was working in Hanover Square in London.
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I was in the the head offices of Conde Nest publications.
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I just cycled all the way from Fulham, sweaty to get to work on
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time as I don't, yeah, it was September obviously, but, but I
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remember watching it on the the screen in one of the meeting
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rooms and I was just like, wow, this is incredible.
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And there's a lot of events like that.
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Then the Iraq war happened and that was that.
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That more than anything the the Palestinian issue I've been
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active on in for 25 years. And it's because of my personal
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connection with that community. I was living in a place they
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called the Gaza Strip. It's like half of North End Road
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in Fulham. They called it the Gaza Strip,
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all Palestinian. And so they were kind of like my
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surrogate family became kind of my surrogate family in in
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certain ways very welcoming. Even though I was American and
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even though my government was bombing the hell out of the
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Middle East, it didn't matter. It didn't matter.
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But but the Iraq war pulled me off the sidelines.
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I became more active and I had a business at the time.
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So I was able to fund sponsor to help to help produce events,
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create art, music campaigns, rallies.
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So I was plugged into the anti war movement in a big way, as
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well as the Palestinian movement, peace movement of so I
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spending more time doing activism than I was doing my job
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at some point. And I realised that I really
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can't be doing this double life. And I started this process of
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getting out of the rat race. And at that time blogging was
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becoming a thing. Remember 2020 O 3-4 and five.
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So I started blogging and helping out with documentary
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films with people I met on these anti war marches.
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And then the, the 2 million or the 1.5 million man March
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happened in London and the we, we really everybody out there
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thought, wow, this is it. We're we are going to turn this
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thing around. We're going to send a message to
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Tony Blair and George Bush. This is not going to happen
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there. Everyone's out there,
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Christians, Muslims, Jews, the rabbis were out as well.
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Everybody came out, the trade unionists, everybody came out.
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Every single nationality class, they're all out there marching
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to stop the war in Iraq. Multiple marches and what
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happened, What happened? It didn't, it didn't stop the
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war. And there was a real feeling of
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defeat. It was a real loss.
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And a lot of people were exasperated by that.
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But that it was that defeat that motivated me to, to, to step up.
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And I realised the power of propaganda.
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I realised why did, why did, why wasn't this successful?
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Because the the propaganda was so powerful, so powerful that
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although we had a certain percentage of the population out
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on the street, it didn't really have an effect on the political
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class and the majority of the population were indifferent if
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not believing the whole WMD hoax.
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So a lot of people got motivated from that.
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Myself, I realised I needed to be in the counter propaganda
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effort. So blogging, journalism, I
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started a website, I met Brian and Mike at the edge, Edge
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Media, Edge TV, it was raise your hand if you remember Edge
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TV, this was on Sky. It was a a very dangerous and
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controversial channel that allowed people to get on they
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couldn't before. So that's, that's kind of how I
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got into I went to art college. I wasn't, I didn't go to
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journalism school. I went to art college.
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I was an art in design and later I did my masters in
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international relations as a mature student in my late 40s a
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few years ago at Plymouth University.
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So the, the, the thing people are asking me here and
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constantly is where, what are we doing now?
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And I think this, this event, other festivals, everything kind
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of launched out of the COVID lockdown tyranny, if you will.
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It activated people that weren't red pilled before that weren't
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politically active. And I, my personal opinion is
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we, we won the argument on lockdowns, we won the argument
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on vaccines. We, we won the battle, OK, it
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was a, it was a difficult battle and many people were injured and
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suffered during that. But in the end, we won the
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argument, politically speaking. But what do you do now when the
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crisis is over? And that's the question a lot of
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people were asking me last night.
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What do you do now? What, how do I, how do I get
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active? How do I make a difference?
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And I think that's an individual conversation everybody has, you
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know, do you want to get involved in a web?
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Do you want to launch a website? Do you want to get more involved
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in media? Do you want to be a social media
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activist? All of the above.
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Great. Do you want to be active in your
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community? Do you just want to stick your
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middle finger up at the system and give give it some of that
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punk rock energy and big you know what to the system?
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Events like this are an act of protest.
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There's many of these festivals. You have the Light newspaper,
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you have UK column, What we do. These are all great in your
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communities. There's plenty of things that
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people can do. Just the just the choices you
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make are an act of protest or a dissident act.
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That's up to everybody to decide how active they want to be.
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Myself, I had certain skills, I had certain capabilities, so I
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just thought I would apply my skills and whatever my skills
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were at the time that I would apply those to try to somehow
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change the conversation, to reclaim the conversation.
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And there's no guarantee you're going to be successful. 2
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million people out on the streets could not stop the Iraq
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War. But it's funny, August 2013,
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there was another war beckoning. It was a war against Syria and
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nobody came out on the street. And you know why 'cause Stop the
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War Coalition was probably some people in that organisation were
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in favour of a war on Syria because they wanted to oust
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Assad. So they didn't really rally the
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troops. They did at the last minute and
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I think 20 or 15,000 people showed up at at Downing St.
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You remember that August and they put out a fake film on the
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BBC called Saving Serious Children right before the vote
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in Commons to really capture and and manufacture consent for this
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war. But something funny happened
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before that. A flood of letters hit M PS
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offices all across the country. And and this created a little
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bit of a shockwave in Westminster.
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They weren't expecting that the people didn't spell in the
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street, but the people who were engaged, directly engaged with
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the system and let it let it be known to their representatives
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that they were not on board with this.
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And that vote failed by the slimmest of margins, the the
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slimmest of margins tiny. And I was shocked.
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We, we all thought, I remember, we all thought it was going to
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be a slam dunk and America was going to go in right behind him
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just like they did with Iraq. And it didn't happen.
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So what what happened there is people, I think a collection of
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activists, media people, different very motley crew,
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somehow got the word out that they needed to get engaged on
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this and it made a difference at that time.
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And you might say, well, it didn't make a difference because
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look what happened this past December and Jolani rolled into
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Damascus, black flags flying over Damascus.
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Maybe so. But you know, you can't.
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The war, the war, you have to look at it along an extended
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timeline. You know, we, the Palestinians
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aren't going to win their war in one generation.
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They'll probably be fighting that for multiple generations.
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So, you know, if we expect that we're always going to get a
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result immediately, it might not happen in your lifetime, but I
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think it's important that you're engaged.
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You're engaged because being engaged says a lot about who you
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are and, and what you're doing here.
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And what I'm doing here is I want to apply the, the abilities
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that God gave me to the best of my ability to try my best to
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make the world a better place or about the issues that I care
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about. That's, that's my mission.
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And everybody I think can, can take a cue that they have their
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own mission. Whatever your world view is,
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everybody has skills and capabilities and everybody in
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some way on some level can apply them.
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And many hands make light work. Many hands make light work.
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So that's, that's my idealistic answer.
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But me, myself, I'm just a simple a single blade of grass.
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But as they say in Zen, a single blade of grass can crack a
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concrete block. And it does.
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And there's so many examples of this.
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Every single major effort, movement, campaign always
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started with one person, always with one person, every great
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idea with one person. So don't, just don't a lot of
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people want to feel disempowered, like, oh, what can
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I do? Everybody can do something and
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the results sometimes take years to manifest, but you have to
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start somewhere and you just have to have faith that that
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process is universal and it will always, always happen.
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How we doing on time? How much time has passed?
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17 passed. SO11 of the issues that people
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are concerned about, I think is a potential end game scenario is
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the digital ID issue and also digital cash.
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This this is a potential end game scenario for obvious
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reasons. The CBDC central bank digital
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currency that that very close to being implemented during the
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COVID crisis, very close had to be delayed.
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But like so many of these things delayed delaying something is a
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major victory. Small wars are won with small
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victories, small battles win wars and to delay the agenda, to
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delay the establishment agenda is a is a major victory,
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especially if it's being done at a grassroots level.
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But we're living in a kind of crisis economy where it's it
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these these cycles are based on crises.
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COVID and lockdown is one of those.
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Now the crisis is over, we some people need to refocus.
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Some people might not want to be active.
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That was the issue that they're passionate about that affected
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them directly, the vaccine issue or the people lost their
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businesses during COVID. And that's fine, you know, and
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some people are still fighting that, still trying to get
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justice for people who are vaccine injured.
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And that's also important. What we do, what I do is maybe
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slightly different. My issues are different, my
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interests are different, my expertise is different.
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But it's, you know what, what everyone's doing collectively is
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no less valid than even, you know, the biggest geopolitical
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stories. Not everybody needs to engage in
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these issues. Most things are happening on a
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local level. But Charles and Mike brought up
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a really important point is that the legislation that the
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government's putting in is becoming increasingly
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authoritarian. And if you look at major
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dissident events from the 80s till now, the battle of the bean
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fields, Stonehenge, perfect example.
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Government comes in heavy handed.
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It's later proven that they falsified evidence or witness
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testimonies. The government has to row it
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back. But the legislation gets ramped
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up. The Public Orders Act, the
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criminal justice bill or grieves the minor, the miners, riots,
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that similar thing, miscarriage of justice, perverting the
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course of justice on the part of the government, compensations
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paid out to protesters who were wrongly imprisoned and so forth
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years later. But the legislation gets ramped
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up. The other one was a few years
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ago, the Kill the bill, police crime, sentencing and courts
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bill very much related to the anti fracking movement.
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You remember the anti fracking movement?
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It seems like a long time ago, but it was just yesterday.
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That was a total grassroots effort.
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A few people drove that movement nationally.
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One of them we knew very well. Ian R Crane.
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Literally one man in the back of a trailer with a few activists
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holding holding back the richest man in Britain, the CEO of the
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of Ineos. Is it Jim Ratcliffe?
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Jim Ratcliffe? So what?
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Ian called Gerry activists, people who were retired, who had
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all the time in the world to commit.
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A literal handful of people stopped the richest man in
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Britain from putting drill bits into the ground.
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The anti it is one of the most successful grass roots activist
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efforts ever. A relative handful of people.
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I mean, how is that even possible in this day and age?
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But that happened and the government's reaction was to
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ramp up the legislation to clamp down on freedom of assembly.
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The other one is the Palestine action issue, which is really
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important. This is the perversion of the
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Terrorism Act of 2000 to, to, to lower the bar for what's
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considered terrorist activity. And look, I'm not a fan of Just
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Stop Oil. I, I don't really agree with the
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campaign. It's nonsensical in certain
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ways. But some of those activists just
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got a 44 month sentence, I think for £150 worth of damage to a
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frame of some sign. I don't know what it was, but I,
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I don't necessarily support that organisation completely, but I
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will defend them even though I have nothing in common with them
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in terms of my ideological viewpoints.
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And on that issue of climate change, for instance, or
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electric cars, nothing in common, but I will defend them
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to the hilt. And that's the attitude we need
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to focus on the rights and not the politics per SE and really
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not the ideological issue. But look at what you have in
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common and the Palestine action issue, whether you agree with,
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as my colleague said before, whether you, whatever your
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feeling is with Israel and Palestine, it's either here nor
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there. This is a rights issue, It's a
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basic rights issue. So and the other one is the
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immigration on on the back of the immigration crisis.
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And I say with the air quotes crisis, are people talking
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about, well, a good solution to this will be the digital ID
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system, of course. So they have another crisis
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being used. This state doesn't care, it
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doesn't care about the working class, it doesn't care about the
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middle class. It cares about itself and how to
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subdue. And, and, and take away rights
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incrementally and everything I've just mentioned, every
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single major historical event has corresponded with the
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withdrawing of certain rights, basic rights that before was
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legal is now illegal. It's a pattern, it's undeniable.
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So we have a saying in basketball, play the man, not
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the ball in defence. Watch your man.
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I was always taught watch, watch the watch the waste of your, the
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man you're guarding and don't watch the ball and don't pay
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attention to ball fakes. Keep your eye on the man.
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The man is your rights. The ball is the media is the
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divisive emotive issues like immigration.
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They want to get us the government love when we're
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fighting each other or people are fighting people.
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As long as we're not fighting them, as long as we're not
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paying attention to Westminster, they, they absolutely love it.
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They will. The media will ramp up this
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issue and of course they'll be there with the solution and and
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many people will welcome that solution, unfortunately.
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So that's those are a few things I just want to leave with you.
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And Charles brought up something interesting about the Holocaust
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education. I just have to add that as a
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caveat. So in America, just to tell you
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where that's headed. So I went to primary school and
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junior high school in America in the late 70s, early 80s.
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And my 13 years old year eight in America, half the year was
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spent on the Holocaust and reading and talking about Anne
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Frank's diary. And I went to a state school and
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before that in when I was 9 and 10, we had to learn kibbutz
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songs in choir, Israeli settler songs in in This is in Boston,
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MA, very liberal. So that's how most Americans, if
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you go to most Americans go to state schools, So many Americans
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will get that mandatory Holocaust education.
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This is for the last 50 years. So if you look at American
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politics and people talk about the lobby and why is America so
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loyal to Israel? The answer is simple because you
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learn from a very young age that Israel is our greatest friend
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and ally and we must support them no matter what.
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So I'll say something controversial.
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Now if they want to make Holocaust education mandatory in
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British schools, I I'm all for that.
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However, only if they also make side by side with that, they'll
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make also mandatory education about Israel's genocide in Gaza.
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And then the children will get a real education.
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They will see the irony of history and they will really
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learn the the historic lesson that that lesson that that
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society and those children really need to learn.
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Now, I'm all for that. I think that would be great, but
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not one needs to be both. That's fine.
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Or neither. It's either both or it's
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nothing. But I think that would
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definitely change the next generation.
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I think they're changed already. But that's that's where I would
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stand on that. So that's all I had to say today
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on that. But I'm open to talking to
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people outside the tent as I normally do.
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I'm happy to talk. We have a few minutes for AQ and
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A Yeah, so we've got a few questions from the audience.
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Be happy to. Any questions come on, someone
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must have a question. Patrick, just going back to you,
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I think that that point on your schooling, it's completely
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fascinating. And actually it does remind me
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to point out that that on the UK column website, Brian has
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recently recorded an interview with a British Jewish lady
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called Lynn Salzado. And she goes back into her
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childhood, which was considerably before that.
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But also the the idea of, well, I suppose indoctrination would
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be the best word. But do you obviously think about
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that in retrospect is fascinating.
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Do you remember at the time there being any reaction to the
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way it was taught? No, no, we were just kids.
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So whatever our teacher tells us is the way the world is.
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And that's that. And it was just, it was just
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another country. And I think possibly our choir
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teacher was Jewish. I mean, it's possible.
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I think maybe she was. But yeah, we didn't think
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anything of it. It's just part of the background
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of life growing up in America. Good, well done.
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I'm high you said the next generation had changed in.
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In what way? And can you give examples?
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Well, I think, I think it's kind of obvious when you look at
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polling and you look at social media activity.
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I think it was the former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali
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Bennett was pulling his hair out because they spent 125 million
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to put the Israeli narrative on social media after October 7th.
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And there were more pro Palestinian posts on TikTok and
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Instagram by a ratio of 16 to 1. And they didn't spend any money.
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The the kids didn't spend any money.
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They didn't need orders from head office.
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But the US and Israel probably collectively have spent, I would
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say, more than half a billion dollars on, on, on, on seeding
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narratives and propaganda. So are you just talk about in
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relation to Israel or other matters such as CBDC, vaccines,
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changes in the law, rights, censorship, etcetera?
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Well, I think most of what kids will will believe and, and most
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people go with what their parents have taught them or
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showed them or they'll go by the example of their parents.
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And if you look at the vaccine numbers for the 2nd and 3rd and
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4th jabs, it just tails off and flat lines to ridiculously low
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level. So that means most parents, even
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what we call normies, have abandoned the COVID vaccine and
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don't believe in it or a very at the very least question it.
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And so their children will. If those are the, if that's the
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data for adults, I would say at least the reflection in the kids
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will be the same. As I said before, we absolutely
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won the argument on that. There's no, there's no doubt
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about that. The, the polling shows that the
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the uptake shows that. So I think, yeah, CBD CS more
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complicated. That's a good, that's a good
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conversation. Kids are so enamoured with the
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convenience of touch payments and the and all that.
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So that's, that's a difficult one because we're from the pre
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we, we, I mean, I remember what it was like with, you know,
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before mobile phones and, and most, most of us, many of us in
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here do. And we know what it was like
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before the Internet, you know, before those sort of things.
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So kids now, younger kids, they don't know what it's like and
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when it was cash only, they don't know what it's like when
27:43
there were no mobile phones before text messaging.
27:46
That's a, that's a, that's a tricky conversation.
27:49
I don't know. It could, it could swing in an
27:50
interesting way that we can't predict in terms of the
27:53
attitude, but that's certainly something to be very concerned
27:57
about, especially looking at Scandinavia as 90% of all
28:00
transactions are done electronically.
28:02
Now 90% in, in Sweden specifically.
28:05
And I think this, this country is probably not far behind on,
28:09
on the curve. So it, that's a good discussion
28:13
to have. It's a big discussion, actually,
28:16
and not an easy one I'm I'm afraid.
28:20
So I think the the days that we should look at because you're
28:29
here mainly because you're here is that they don't want to
28:33
introduce the Holocaust day, but the most relevant day probably
28:36
to most people would be contrasting 4th of July
28:40
celebration and why that happened and what the British
28:44
did then. So knowing what can I lose them
28:46
looks like and then seeing how every empire does the same
28:50
thing. So whether it's a Romans or it's
28:52
you guys now or whoever, whoever has hegemony of whatever's going
28:56
to happen next. So people can look at it with
28:59
one lens and go and you can spot the propaganda because the
29:04
subdued people have no rights and get well, the stuff that's
29:07
taken and get killed. And the hegemony is always
29:11
right. But you can spot it.
29:13
And if you teach that in school, then you go, OK, well do.
29:15
Are we for this or are we not for this?
29:19
What's your what's your question?
29:29
So, well, the question was, instead of the Holocaust day,
29:32
shouldn't we look into having the 4th of July day?
29:35
Because culturally, you're more similar than Israel is to us.
29:39
That's interesting. You're, you're assuming that
29:42
that the Americans defeated the British in 1776.
29:46
Did they? I, I, I, I think, I think all
29:52
what happened was the relationship changed.
29:55
And think of it like the Anglo American Empire because that's
30:01
what it is. It's an Anglo American LED
30:04
global hegemon, City of London, Wall Street, Washington DC, 3
30:10
city states, Britain's the brains, America's the muscle.
30:15
America could not do what it does in the world without
30:17
Britain and and it in many ways benefits from the British
30:24
colonial network which is still very much in place.
30:28
And Britain is more of a Pax Britannia than USS Pax American.
30:35
And Britain has more in common with the Roman Empire because of
30:38
language, legal frameworks, maritime law, shipping and
30:43
commerce. All that was all British systems
30:47
and it was competing with France, Napoleon and his vision
30:52
of what the legal, you know, Napoleonic law.
30:55
And that was something they wanted to evangelise around the
30:59
world and were unsuccessful. Britain was successful.
31:02
So America is riding on the back of that as an, as an English
31:06
language, you know, English speaking country.
31:10
And so you can't separate. I don't think you can really
31:13
separate the two. There might be some superficial
31:15
political arguments about Trump and, you know, intelligence
31:19
services trying to steal dossier and so forth.
31:23
But at the end of the day, Britain's always there to whip
31:25
America into position on foreign policy.
31:28
They, they were in Ukraine, they were in Iraq, Skripal, all of
31:34
these things, the, the, they're all, they all serve the same
31:38
ends, which is and when, when the Republicans were wavering on
31:42
Ukraine, they sent Boris Johnson over to crack the whip.
31:47
And of course the Americans, when the British come over and
31:49
do speaking tours or show up at think tanks and Americans are
31:52
like, oh, the British are here. Oh, great.
31:54
You know, they love it. Oh, ex Prime Minister, He must
31:57
be like the, the cream of the crop.
32:00
Really. Boris is there the shirttail
32:02
out. You know, it's sad, but it's
32:05
true. Tony Blair arrives in in
32:08
Washington, he they roll out the red carpet.
32:11
He doesn't get the red carpet here, but he will he will get it
32:14
in America. So but that's kind of how how
32:18
things are rolling. And you know, so Britain's much
32:21
more vociferously anti Russian than America is naturally, but
32:27
the establishment needs Britain to play that role to kick
32:31
America into touch. And I think that's what
32:34
Russiagate was about because the although it demonised Trump and
32:38
made him into a Russian asset, at the end of the day, it made
32:41
Trump become more of a anti Russian President in terms of
32:45
sanctions, giving lethal aid to the Ukraine before Biden, Trump
32:50
set up, Trump set the stage for the Ukrainian war.
32:54
And he says, it's not my war. This isn't my war.
32:57
This is Biden's war, Nothing to do with it.
33:00
Biden's war. I'm just here to break up the
33:02
fight. You know, it's total BS Trump
33:07
did everything to ramp that war up.
33:09
Biden took it and and made it go go live.
33:12
And now Trump is doing nothing to stop it.
33:15
Quite frankly, there's no change on the ground between Biden and
33:18
Trump. So you have the political
33:21
theatre on the surface, but below the policy is consistent.
33:26
So just again, play the man, not the ball.
33:30
Yeah, I've been on this journey for quite a while.
33:32
Like most of us. They occurred to me the other
33:34
day, we're in a fight, obviously, but what we fighting
33:39
for? What is the end game of where
33:41
we're trying to head? Because most of the younger
33:44
generation want everything like it is.
33:47
They want progressive, they want multicultural societies.
33:49
They want, you know, no, not, not all of us, but we're talking
33:55
about a large majority of of the people don't want what we're
34:00
trying to hold on to. I think, I think, I think if, if
34:06
the agenda is going in a direction that you don't want it
34:08
to go in sometimes, I mean, you to get in front of a juggernaut
34:13
and stop a juggernaut like this is near impossible unless you're
34:16
willing to die for these rights. And if it's a question of dying
34:20
for your rights or making adjustments in your life, 99,
34:25
nine, 9999 people out of 10,000 are going to make adjustments.
34:30
That's just a fact. But but you can build parallel
34:36
systems, You can do parallel events, you can have parallel
34:40
communities and you can do that simultaneously.
34:44
And this you break your breakaway civilization and there
34:49
are many breakaway civilizations.
34:51
I'm going to one in a couple of weeks in Serbia, Lieberland,
34:55
it's sort of self declared semi autonomous oblast in Serbia that
35:01
is populated by anarchists. So and they're having in a
35:05
conference in a couple weeks. So it's just small example, but
35:10
more basically, you can do things in your community, you
35:13
can do commerce, you can do things you can the cash issue is
35:19
obviously massive for that, but parallel systems, parallel
35:25
businesses, parallel organisations.
35:27
We're UK column is a parallel civilization next to the
35:31
mainstream media. It's it's running parallel, but
35:34
it's not on the same track at all.
35:37
And it has a different audience. It has a different way of doing
35:40
things, has a different world view.
35:42
It's completely different, 2 totally separate worlds.
35:46
So how did that start? With a pamphlet, with A1 page
35:51
pamphlet, you know so right. What are your thoughts on a man
35:59
of peace bombing Iran? The man of peace?
36:03
Are you talking about 47 Donald Trump?
36:09
Yeah. I mean, Americans like Mr Trump,
36:13
don't they? He wants the No, he's desperate
36:15
for the Nobel Peace Prize. And we all know that he's made
36:18
no secret about it. He's made no, he he really wants
36:21
that bad and he's going to bomb his way to that prize.
36:26
I mean, it's it is it's I think the theatre of it, the
36:31
vaudeville aspect of it is so crazy.
36:33
It's like I'll talk about on the news programme, but the the
36:36
Nordstream, the Nordstream sabotage and talk about a
36:39
vaudeville show that that is incredible.
36:42
I mean, this the note, it's because he's, he's not a man of
36:50
peace. I mean, he's not a man of peace.
36:55
I think at this point, if you still think Donald Trump is a
36:58
man of peace, then I know I'm, I'm speaking rhetorically too.
37:03
I can't help you at that point. There's nothing I can say.
37:08
I've I have if you fall on my work for the last seven months,
37:12
I have said pretty much everything that can be said on
37:16
that topic. So I mean, it's we all Donald,
37:20
let's listen. Donald Trump ran and this, this
37:22
is the lesson I'll give. I'll give you an actual valuable
37:25
lesson, OK, especially about US politics.
37:29
Every single president since George W Bush in 2000 has run on
37:35
a peace anti war platform. George W Bush was no nation
37:40
building. That gave him the edge.
37:41
There's some key demographics in the US electoral map.
37:46
They're called bellwether counties, OK.
37:48
And some of them are people who are European Protestant,
37:54
Norwegian Americans, for instance, northern Wisconsin,
37:58
Minnesota and so forth. Whoever takes those bellwether
38:02
counties generally wins the election.
38:05
And some of those key demographics are pacifist.
38:09
And so you have to Republicans play to those demographics.
38:12
They have a good chance of winning the election.
38:14
George W Bush did on a no nation building platform.
38:17
One Barack Obama comes in 2008 on day one.
38:21
I'm going to bring the troops home, he said.
38:23
And of course, bring them home from Iraq.
38:25
We don't want our boys over there.
38:27
So a lot of people like, yeah, this is, oh, this is awesome.
38:29
This guy's great. And they all voted for me.
38:32
Won by a landslide. And did he do that?
38:34
No. He started 7 new wars in two
38:37
terms. But.
38:39
And then Trump comes in 2016, Hillary Clinton, the warmonger,
38:42
Donald Trump saying we don't want any wars.
38:45
We don't bring them home. Bring them home.
38:46
We're going to bring them home. Quite frankly, I don't know.
38:49
We're doing the Hillary crooked Hillary wants to send the boys.
38:53
I don't want to so and what happened, Donald?
38:57
They say Donald Trump didn't start any new wars.
38:59
That's a lie. Donald Trump deployed troops to
39:01
Syria and they stayed and they helped to topple the government
39:04
just this past December. US have occupied since 2017.
39:08
Donald Trump ramped up the war against Yemen. the United States
39:12
was running a proxy war with Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
39:14
Trump did that. Trump gave lethal aid to the
39:17
Ukrainians when Obama wouldn't even Obama wouldn't go that far.
39:21
Trump yanked Iran nuclear deal and set the table for World War
39:25
3. Donald Trump did that so but the
39:29
the marketing was no new wars. Trump's a peace president.
39:31
Whatever he ran, the point is he ran on it and won.
39:35
That gave him the edge. Biden 2020 election.
39:39
It's a bit of an anomaly. It was a COVID year.
39:43
They had George Floyd riots in the summer.
39:45
It was a mess. I don't even know if Biden
39:47
actually won. There's so much questions on
39:50
election fraud in in multiple states, but let's just put that
39:53
off to the side. Trump runs again in 2024 saying
39:58
I'm going to end this war in, in 24 hours, 1 phone call, one
40:05
phone call. Sleepy Joe couldn't do it.
40:08
I'm going to do it. You know, quite frankly, nobody
40:11
else could do it but me. So that's, that's and guess
40:15
what? He won.
40:17
He, he, we said it can't get worse than Biden.
40:20
I mean, this is Joe was just like, you know, smelling salts.
40:25
And so we, we, a lot of Americans took a punt on Trump
40:29
again, because they're like, well, if, if he does what he
40:32
says he's going to do, then we're at least going to avoid
40:35
World War three. That was the level of the
40:38
thought. OK, it turns out it's worse.
40:41
He he's taken Biden's baton and done it even worse.
40:45
So, So what is the the message is the people don't want war,
40:51
but the political class will get it.
40:54
Even if you vote them in on an anti war ticket.
40:56
They, the, the, the swamp, the machine will mould that
40:59
candidate and put him into position to the point where he's
41:04
on a fait accompli. The road to war, that's the
41:07
lesson is there's a big difference between what we think
41:11
and I'm even beyond this tent. Mainstream people don't want war
41:14
generally, but if they, if they get strong armed into it, then
41:19
they tend to go along with it. You get groupthink in the
41:21
madness of crowds, like COVID is another example.
41:24
There's a type of a war, but that, that's the, that's the
41:27
point. That's the point.
41:29
And and this, this, this bait and switch happens so often.
41:34
I just gave you what, 4 presidents in the last 25 years?
41:39
Same exact thing. And the polling shows it as
41:42
well. That's the main lesson.
41:44
That's the main lesson. I hope that answers your
41:47
question somewhat.