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The Juan Soto Trade · The 3-0 Take

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take where we talk
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all things Major League Baseball.
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Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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It all starts right now. Welcome back to the Three O Tech
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presented by C Geek. This is Episode 4 O3.
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I'll be your host, Kyle Corden. I'm here with my Co host, Nate
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Reyes. Nate.
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How to do? How to do all?
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Right. Here's the deal.
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Let's just, yeah, let's just clear the air on let's.
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Just clear the air, OK? Situation.
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It is 9 O 5:00 PM Eastern. I am looking right now at add a
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tweet from Bob Nightingale from 2:17 PM that says optimism.
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The trade meaning the one soda trade will now be completed this
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afternoon and I'm just going to go ahead and repeat myself.
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It is 9 O. 6. PM Eastern and we still don't
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have an official word on whether or not this has been completed.
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Oh, I know it hasn't been completed.
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We have yet to receive official word that it's actually gone
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through because I think as of right now what's holding it up
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is last we heard was medical, they're reviewing the medicals.
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But as it stands right now, the plan had this thing gone through
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this afternoon, this was going to be a full blown headlining
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Juan Soto deal at this very moment.
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We can't say for certain that he is a Yankee.
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And Nate, you said, well, we'll just, and I kind of agree with
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you like we're just going to have to act as though he's a
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Yankee. But a little bit of hesitancy
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came in and I'm like we've been, we've been burned by this
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before. We had Carlos Correa as a Met.
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We had Carlos Correa as a. What was the other one?
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A. Scherzer.
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Scherzer as a Padre and that was it through last minute.
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Yeah. So it's possible by the time
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you're hearing this he assigned or he's been traded and we're
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going to go about this as if he's been traded because we have
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the, the, I would say the final package available to us that's
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been made public. Yeah.
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So we can we can kind of talk about it that way given that the
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that's been made public. But we're still waiting to hear
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on the medicals. But all that to say no official
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word yet, but we're going to, we're going to do an episode
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because we we owe you guys a weekly episode.
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So here we are. Yeah, can't wait on the
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business, the business side of things.
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So just got to do what you got to do and it's been plus I have
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a Christmas party tomorrow so. Yeah.
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Can't. Can't do it then.
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It's been quite a day for us. Quite an evening rather.
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We knocked out a change up for you guys.
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It'll be it'll be. I think we.
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I don't we don't need to keep it secret it's going to be it's
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going to be on on flying. The experience of flying.
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I'm sure a lot of you will part one night with you.
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Part one, Yeah, we. Think it's going to have to be a
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Part 1. So we knocked that out and then
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in between there we did an interview.
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Yeah, I think that's maybe, I think I maybe have alluded to
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it, but for those who are a little out of the loop, I'll
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keep it, keep it a little bit of surprise.
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We got it. We got a good one coming up for
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you guys and now we're here. So my friend, assuming Juan Soto
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gets traded and is a Yankee, what I mean, what are we
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thinking here as a as a resident Yankee fan?
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What are you thinking? It's hard for this to register
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for me, to be honest. Like, I don't.
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I don't know. I it I it doesn't feel real.
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I'm super stoked. I think as a just like removing
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myself from bias as a baseball fan and like obviously as a
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Yankees fan, I'm watching. I would guess I watch probably
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140 to 145 games a year of the Yankees.
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I'm excited to be able to watch Soto play like I'm be able to
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watch him every at bat and like watch him.
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Truly I think I'm excited just as a baseball fan to like get an
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opportunity to do that. I I think it's like initial
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reaction it's it's stung, like the package is big and for those
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like unfamiliar with names like we'll dive in in a SEC.
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But it's they're they are really good names.
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Really good arms going back. I think the Yankees did have a
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plethora of of young pitching to be able to move, and it is
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refreshing to finally see Brian Cashman, like get this done.
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You know, 'cause it's like there's so many names have been
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dangled in front of us the last few years and it's been band
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aided. And then we get some weird
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cryptic saying that like, you know, it's never going to happen
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or we tried our best. It just didn't.
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Cards didn't go our way. Like this is a name.
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This is a superstar that needed to come in.
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The Yankees are are they need to go now.
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And as he as like quick in the scene as Aaron Judge has has
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entered you got to remember that he is.
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He's already 31 like he is already like it is now.
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Time is now. Garrett Cole is in that similar
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time frame. I know it's like there's some
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youth attached and you're waiting to see like what Volpi
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is and what Wells is and what Jason Dominguez is when he gets
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back. But like the the Cole, Judge,
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Stanton, Rizzo, that's all right now.
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Things need to happen right now. So Soto is a huge, huge piece.
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I think it's probably being slept on a little bit
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considering that he's coming off of a struggling Padre team and I
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think that there were. That's probably watering it down
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a little bit and I think he's going to remind some people,
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hopefully he reminds some people this year of he is a Hall of
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Famer when it's when it's going to be all said and done.
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So I'm excited. Yeah, the overrated conversation
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that seemingly just sits in a cloud over this kids head.
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It just blows my mind. It's weird.
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If you know even the slightest thing about baseball, you don't
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have to watch for very long to know that this kid is talented
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beyond your average player like this.
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He, like you said, if if he's able to consistently do what
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he's done up to this point, I I don't see how that doesn't
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result in into an entry into the Hall of Fame.
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And he's 25. If that is he, what do we even
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know 20? 425.
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I mean, what are we talking about here?
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But the, the the conversation about him just being a guy that
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walks all the time. Look, I'm not going to be the
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first guy to defend him with the advanced analytics because
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that's not really my game. But go, please pull those up if
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you like. There's a whole lot of red on
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there, a whole lot of red. So in in that sense, I think
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obviously the Yankees get much better in that regard.
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But look, I'm not. It's a lot more to do.
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Yeah, I'm not. Well, not even just with the
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team, but with him, I'm not. I'm not sweating this all that
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much because he's already made it clear that he's going to,
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he's going to free agency. And look, let's be honest,
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you've been down on this team for a number of years now in
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terms of their unwillingness to push the envelope a little bit
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if they have another year like they've had for the last however
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many seasons. And I'm not talking about the
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ALCS years. I'm just talking about generally
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not being able to get over the hump, right.
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If they have another year of that, that's going to be a hard
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sell to try. If, if they're if there's any
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intention or or plan to to offer this this guy a contract and
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extension, that's going to be a hard sell.
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Be like, well, you're kind of familiar with our game up to
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this point. We didn't really do much the
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year we had you to change your mind and now we're trying to
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offer you an extension. I don't think he's really going
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to go for that. So the way I see it, this is
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free agency regardless. Yeah, I mean, well he's a Boris
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client. Boris clients don't sign
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extensions. So you know, that's just it's
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not going to happen. They're they're of course going
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to hit free agency. He's of course going to hit free
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agency. I think this gives the Yankees a
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year to sell New York, to sell the organization, to sell the
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clubhouse, to sell teammates, to sell, you know, the fan base.
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Like it gives them a year for someone to, you know, buy in and
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say it. And he does seem like he's
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perfectly fine smack dab in the middle of spotlight.
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I don't think he's ever really like shield away from it.
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The I don't know if you want to call him antics or whatever.
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You know the shuffling carrying the bats of first base.
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The showmanship. Yeah I think, I think it's like
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he's, I think he's just fine doing that.
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Yeah it it's just going to come down to if the Yankees are are
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going to be there is some money there's some money coming off
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the books next year. So I think it's you know
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something to where it's going to have to be a double digit offer
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like as far as length it's going to have to be 10 years unless of
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course you know I can't see him doing something strange with
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like a four year deal and then go hit the market again at 3031.
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I don't know but I think that the Yanks have definitely have a
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little bit more work to do to to kind of flip the script.
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There's some definitely some still some holes to fill they're
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still in on Yamamoto but you know they're they're just need
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to do a little bit more. I'm I mean I I will say the no
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matter who's on the bump dealing with with Soto and judge
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back-to-back and I know like he's he was over in San Diego
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and I know like we can say that about Tatis.
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We can say that about Machado. But the level of you can't miss
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for back-to-back guys. We're talking 8 to 12 pitches
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that need to be perfect and you're going to need to paint
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and guys that will take their walks happily.
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It's it's going to be tough. It's going to be tough.
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I mean, just scooting everyone down a spot as well, pushing
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Stanton, pushing Rizzo down a spot where they probably belong
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at this point in their career. It's a big deal.
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It's a big deal. Well, I mean, that's assuming
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Stanton hasn't quit by Opening Day, dude.
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Seriously, freaking genius, I'm just throwing him out of the
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ball, supported. Come on, Cash, What are we
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doing? No, but you bring up a good
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point with with this again presumed acquisition and again
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I, before we go any further, I feel like I need to clarify
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hasn't happened yet. It's possible it happens
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tonight. It's possible it happens in the
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morning. If it doesn't happen at all take
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everything you're hearing and take over a grain of salt.
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I I don't know what to tell you. Like we we have we're we're
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doing our best here going off of what we know and we're going off
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what we assume is going to happen.
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But all I have to say again assuming that it does happen.
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I think you bring up a good point about selling the selling
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the city I think for the Yankees image the Yankees place in the
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league. I think this helps turn those
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wheels a little bit. Again, though, those wheels that
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have been rather dusty, I feel like for a while, because they
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don't. It's been years since they've
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been the feared Yankees, the Bronx Bombers that that they
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came to be known as. And if you can get a guy like
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Soto, you mentioned pairing him in the lineup with Judge, you
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get a maybe you go out and get Yamamoto.
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You're not. I mean you you still have holes
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up and down the, I won't say up and down the lineup but
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throughout the lineup to where you're not gonna be the elite of
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the elite across Major League Baseball.
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But I think it's a step in the right direction to towards
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restoring that image that I feel like has been lost for the
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Yankees. So a little.
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Attitude. A little attitude, which is
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good. Yeah, they got a year to do it
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because I I think, I mean there there's just so many factors at
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play here. If he gets there, doesn't like
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the, doesn't like the fit, doesn't like the culture, he
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doesn't play as well as he he thought he would in in that
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specific market. If any bad blood arises with, I
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mean honestly with Cashman, I I wouldn't put it past him to to
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lay lay the hammer down a little bit on Soto at some point with
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some sound bite this year. So a lot of play here, free
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agency looming. If you're the Yankees, you got
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to, you got to capitalize on this year and do something, and
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that's. Why you're They can't be done.
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They can't be done. It's still still couple more
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moves, but yeah, I from what I'm being like, from what I'm
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reading and from what I'm seeing, I think they're super
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comfortable with Judge being in center field.
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I would say more than half the games.
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I know that there's rumors that Trent Grisham is included in
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this deal, most likely being slotted as a fourth outfielder.
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We'll get into the Verdugo trade here in a SEC.
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But you know when you're talking working left to right, you got
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Soto, Judge and and Verdugo. It's a solid lineup.
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It's too, you know. And then obviously when Jason
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Dominguez is back from surgery and back healthy, you know,
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Judge can get a little bit more time in the corner on DH.
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So it's it's coming together. It's definitely coming together.
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Just need a little bit more. I'm stoked.
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I'm definitely stoked to just see a a truly superstar like
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next level superstar being here. This is different and this is
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something where like the yeah the Yankees have to go right now
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package back the the biggest sting for me is Michael King.
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Michael King really, really stings.
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He's included in that deal. Then you got Drew Thorpe 2022
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second round pick. Hye crept into AA this past
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season. I think he threw like over 130
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innings ERA sitting in the twos that he looks like he could be a
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front of the rotation guy eventually.
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I would say pot you're you might see him September call up 2024
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most likely a 2025 guy. Johnny Brito.
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We saw him kind of slot in to some spot starts throughout the
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year for the Yankees stuff. That stuff has looked pretty
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good. Randy Vasquez, I think is a top
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25 overall prospect, MLB prospect.
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He's the little slept on. I think in the deal maybe it's
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top 25 Yankee prospect, I'm not quite sure.
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And then Kyle Higashioka, you know, a little bit of a little
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bit of catching depth for the Padres.
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So it's a haul and and I think like if you're struggling in the
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pitching department, this is 1 move that you just quickly got
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restocked in for the Padres like you, you definitely restocked
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and the potential of what Michael King could be.
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I think everyone is familiar with him being a back end
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rotation or back end bullpen guy.
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He slotted in as a as a starter down the stretch last year and
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they really stretched him out and he looked really good.
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So I think the Padres have the freedom to do what they want
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with him. But when you're talking about
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like 4 guys that like have a lot of potential, even if only two
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of them pan out, I think they're going to be really, really good.
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So this stung, don't get me wrong, and any Yankee fan that
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just, you know, blows that off or shrugs that off, this stung.
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It had to sting, though. It had to sting this line up
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needed a power lefty and they hadn't had a left fielder in
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like 10 years. So it's about time.
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I I don't want to imagine what what Juan Soto in the Yankee
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Stadium is going to be like with that porch.
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I know. My goodness, yeah.
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And even then, like, he's totally fine going Apo Taco.
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It's not like left field's very far either, so it's going to be
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fun to see him. I think that's what it is, too.
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Like here, here's a year of playing in this stadium and
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watch what your numbers do. Watch what your numbers do with
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Judge behind you. So yeah, nothing against Tatis
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or Machado, but right now it's just judges, you know, probably
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a top three feared hitter in baseball.
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So hitting in front of him, I mean for.
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Protection. Yeah, we're going protection.
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Yeah, I'm taking judge every time.
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So, man, Well, I'm looking at a tweet right now from Andy
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Martino, which this guy, my goodness, he's like, I thought
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he's a. Met guy we're talking about.
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We're we. We threw out the idea, maybe
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bringing the bum list back. This guy is.
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Working his way. Up the top what?
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If this guy. Is all over the map.
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I'm making a tweet right now, it says.
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I'm hearing cautious optimism that issues can be worked out
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and Juan Soto to Yankees will proceed.
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A lot of work has gone into this from both sides.
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It was supposed to get done many hours ago, but it does not sound
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dead. Why are we even using the words
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sound dead talking about like we get so this is what I hate about
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these reporters. We get so antsy to try to be
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first to try to have the breaking news, which I can
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understand. But if we do it time and a time
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again to the point where we have to walk it back then every
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single time and especially with a a caliber of a player that
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we're dealing with in Juan Soto, if it happens here, who are we
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to really believe and why should we believe anything that's being
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said? This deal this afternoon seemed
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all but done and now now Amy Martino is out there trying to
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reassure people that the trades not dead.
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What are we doing? Stop trying to be first and
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instead just be right. That's all I ask.
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Quality over quantity. That's all we need.
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It's all we need. He wears #22, right?
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Yeah. Perfect.
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So we're good there. Let me.
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Guess Cashman's been saving 22 for the last decade.
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Yeah, it's just, I think if this turns out to be, if this turns
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out to be a trade, and it turns out to that he signs long term,
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this makes up for missing out on Bryce Harper.
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It really does. Because, like, I don't, I don't
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know how Bryce felt about it, but like it it felt like a slam
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dunk for years. It just, it felt like I remember
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joking about it years ago when Bryce Harper was first coming on
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the scene. I was like, I can't wait for him
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to be a Yankee because it's coming and it's just it fumble
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the bag. It's just this front office man.
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Just fumble the bag. So I'm.
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I don't know. I mean, I'm, I'm probably going
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to have my heart ripped out this time next year when he signs
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somewhere else. But here I am hoping again.
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See, that's the thing, though, You you can't look at it like
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that. Just look at it as a year, as a
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single season that you can enjoy watching like a few players play
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together, yeah. I hope I hear you.
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I mean that that hope, this. This is what Padres fans were
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told. Everyone heard this in
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Padresville and look how that look how that worked out.
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I could very much see this, the copy paste over on the Yankee
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side again next year. Hope not.
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But it wouldn't be crazy. I don't.
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Know we'll see one name that we do know is going that's going to
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New York. Alex Verdugo and I had.
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I had some people reaching out, being like how, man, can't wait
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to hear what Kyle has to say about this.
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Look, I'm just. Going to say right here, right
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now, and this may come as a shock to some people.
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Frankly, I couldn't care less about this trade.
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I didn't really care whether Alex Verdugo went to the Bronx.
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If he went to the Astros, I didn't care.
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Didn't matter, Alex, this is a classic case for me of thank you
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for your service. There were some UPS, there were
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some downs. But like, I mean you came over
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here as part of the Mookie trade which that's essentially if it
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if there's any question now or if there's any question that
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still remain, we can safely chalk that up as an L But yeah,
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like I I didn't necessarily fall in love with the guy.
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I think he he latched on to the the Boston culture pretty well
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when he got over here. Given that he was going to be he
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didn't stand a chance when he came over here because he was
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part of the Mookie trailer. He yeah.
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Nobody was going to give him a fair shake right knowing that so
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the way he embraced the the Boston culture and and all of
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that that came with it. I had to tip my cap in that
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regard but look I mean everybody knows it you you weren't giving
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it your all at every every game and I get it it's a long season
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it's that's that's a tough that's a tall ask but like you
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were very clearly counting your days.
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I think when when it got to be down the stretch and you know I
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think it was I I saw I saw an article that threw out the
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phrase breaking point and I think that's a pretty accurate
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way to describe where we were at with Redugo and it it's
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interesting to see him going to the Yankees given that it's what
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the it's only the 8th trade between the two teams since the
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start of the divisional era which was back in 1969.
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Didn't think it'd be Verdugo necessarily.
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I mean you would think a stat like that would would include
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some bigger names, but you know, I'm, I'm glad we're clearing up
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the space and maybe we can fill the void elsewhere.
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What's funny is that, like I remember when we were, I think
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he was for the Wild Card game. We're in Boston and I told you I
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was like, I can't, I I can't help but kind of like over Dugo.
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Like there was something about him I just, I respected like the
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the hype that he was and I get what you're saying.
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I think there's like there's a lot of what seems to be like a
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Glaber Torres kind of hey dude, you hot dog it sometimes.
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And like, it's super unclutch when you do that and you mess up
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and it's like it's kind of a vibe killer when that happens.
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So, So I'm a little bummed that, like, he's adding to that.
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Like there's AII just feel like there's a lot of.
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Just. I wouldn't say hot dogs, but
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like, a lot of like, flashy. I'm going to do this at 50%.
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So it looks good. Kind of guys in the lineup right
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now and unfortunately he's just another one of those guys.
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But man like. We we've talked about it.
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We're not necessarily fans of the the hot dog style play
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anyway, but at least if you're going to do it, at least be a
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guy that can afford to do it. Like I don't know who Alex
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Verdugo thinks he is like again, he's had his moments.
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He's had his, Yeah, like, you got to earn.
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It a little bit more I think, but like.
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You're Alex Verdugo, man. Yeah, what are we?
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I I could honestly see him becoming a a pretty quick fan
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favorite though I kind of, I kind of feel like he'll buy into
27:25
the the fan base a little bit. I think when when players come
27:29
in, I think we have like our our jitters and judges that are so
27:35
stoic. Right.
27:37
They're just like, you know, like they love our fans, but
27:40
they're not engaging as much with the fans.
27:43
And then you have like your Nick Swisher and I would put Alex
27:46
Verdugo in that possible category of like.
27:49
All. In on the opposite side of the
27:51
spectrum, like I'm all in on this fan base, I'm looking at
27:54
you. I'm hyped during the during the
27:56
roll call. Like I could see him kind of
27:58
being that way. Well, the the lasting image that
28:02
I have with Verdugo when it relates to the Yankees is that
28:07
little scuffle he got into the fans out there, right there in
28:13
that front, first few rows and he's they're going back and
28:16
forth. And I mean, these are going to
28:20
be those same fans. And I get it.
28:22
It happens all the time. A player comes to a city where
28:27
maybe he wasn't as well received before, like a Contreras to the
28:33
Cardinals situation, something like that, where like 98% of
28:37
these fans were letting you have it for the the time that you had
28:42
been coming up. But now that you're here, like
28:43
you're one of us, I could see that happening and I would very
28:46
much expect that to happen. But it with Verdugo, I feel like
28:51
it's a little different because of the some of the rather heated
28:56
interactions that I think he's had with not just the fans of
28:59
New York, but just the organization Like he he's, I
29:03
think he understood coming from Lai, think he very easily and
29:11
clearly understood the the magnitude of of this, these two
29:16
teams relationships. So I don't know, man.
29:20
We'll see. Plus, I mean, I think when Jason
29:25
Amigas gets back, he's he's going to, you know, he's going
29:28
to fall into like 1/4 outfielder situation, occasional DH, he's
29:33
hitting. That's the.
29:34
That's the line up. Is.
29:36
Dominguez coming back at all this year or yeah.
29:38
Yeah, I think he's, I think he's projected to be like a June,
29:42
July return. OK, all right.
29:44
Because I thought he was missing more time than that.
29:48
Well, yeah, I mean, this is, this is another situation you
29:50
got one year before before you hit the market.
29:54
So I I was to say, maybe they bring him back, maybe they
29:56
don't, I don't know. But yeah, it'll be.
30:00
I'll tell you what, man, it'll be an interesting year watching
30:03
the Yankees. I mean, I've always been a big
30:06
SODO guy. It's going to, it's going to
30:08
pain me a little bit to watch him again, assuming that goes
30:12
through. It's going to be weird watching
30:14
Verdugo. No Beard.
30:17
Verdugo. Yeah, I mean.
30:18
People are gonna what numbers? Are you gonna wear?
30:22
I mean the only the only proper thing to do would be for judge
30:26
to give it up. Well, oddly enough, if this if
30:31
this Soto deal goes through Higashioka War 66, that's the
30:35
inverse of 99. Maybe that's a easy changes
30:39
transition well. I mean, look, here's the deal,
30:41
though. I mean, if Aaron Judge is all
30:42
that he's talked up to be like this captain, this selfless
30:47
leader, this fan favorite. I mean, yeah, you tell me what
30:52
the right move is if you're in Judge, yeah.
30:56
Make the offer, pal, for a one year former Red Sox.
31:01
Give him the judges. Chambers, Give him the.
31:04
Give him the number. Give him the locker.
31:06
There you go. Heck give.
31:08
Him the captaincy and like if you're truly self selfless, give
31:12
him the captain. See, that's all I'm going to
31:13
say. Enough Yankees it makes want to
31:18
make. Makes me want to vomit.
31:19
Let's talk Braves snagging Kelnick.
31:32
I don't know, man. I don't hate.
31:33
It. I don't know if it.
31:36
Yeah, I mean, when I saw this go down, I said I know exactly
31:43
what's going to happen. He's going to get to Atlanta and
31:49
he's just going to, he's going to do, if not fully, he's going
31:54
to, he's going to get close to what people were hoping I would.
31:58
I would. I would assume so.
32:00
I would assume so. Because that just seems to be
32:04
the way things work with the Braves.
32:05
They get guys dirt cheap. Not that this was not that this
32:09
is like a contract necessarily but they just know how to work
32:13
the system. They know how to game the system
32:15
and they clearly had an eye for Kelnick and they said he is
32:22
going to make us better. So they they must know something
32:26
about the way that or they must have a a better idea of how he
32:29
is going to fit in that system that's going to make them
32:34
better. And they went out and got him at
32:36
the cost of taking on a good chunk of money, but they turned
32:40
right around and and flipped Marco Gonzalez.
32:42
So yeah. Well, not to mention he's still
32:45
got, what, four or five years left to control?
32:48
So a. Lot of outside.
32:50
Yeah, a lot of outside, a lot of potential.
32:53
I think it's, you know, one of those things where like the the
32:55
basement I I was texting with my buddy today and he was like
32:59
would you rather have Verdugo or Kelnick?
33:02
And that's just a recency like, you know, trade comparison.
33:08
I, you know, it's like the we've seen the lows be pretty low for
33:12
Kelnick and I think there's a lot more potential there.
33:16
I think there's probably a super high ceiling waiting to see if
33:21
he cracks into that. But you're talking about
33:23
entering in in a lineup where like, you don't really have to
33:26
be the dude, you kind of just surrounded by professional
33:32
hitters. And chances are, when you're
33:34
surrounded by professional hitters, you're probably going
33:37
to pick up on some stuff and you're probably going to learn a
33:40
little bit more so. Yeah, I was.
33:44
I was listening to front of the pod, Dallas Braden's pod, and
33:51
they were talking about Kalnick and he made a great point.
33:54
And he was saying that, you know Kalnick was expected to be
34:01
instant stud like from day one and that if that would have
34:08
panned out, he, Braden was saying that it wasn't
34:13
necessarily going to take it, wasn't going to eliminate the J
34:19
Rod show. But it may have, you know,
34:22
slowed it up a little bit possibly.
34:24
I don't want to use the word diluted it but a little bit.
34:26
But if he comes up and and and does what he was supposed or
34:31
expected to do, it looks a little the the landscape looks a
34:36
little bit different in Seattle. But the fact that he doesn't
34:39
have to be, like you said, does not have to be that guy in
34:41
Atlanta. He can he can kind of settle in
34:44
and let the big boys do what they do and just play his game.
34:50
I That's what I'm saying about the Braves identifying him as AI
34:54
mean. Honestly, it's a brilliant move
34:56
if you really think about it. You go look at.
34:59
Our line up, pair that with his ceiling and the fact that he
35:06
doesn't need to even reach that to make us better, like if he if
35:11
he just plays a percentage of that, we're a better team.
35:17
So I mean that's a great, that's a great move.
35:20
Yeah, and he's never going to go above a 789 spot in the lineup.
35:26
Doesn't need to, yeah. Yeah, as I mentioned, they got
35:32
the Braves got Jared Kalanick, Marco Gonzalez and Evan White,
35:38
Mariners basically just trying to off offload some money.
35:43
And you would have to assume that this would be in
35:47
preparation, because I don't even know if we did we mention
35:50
Yuhanios Suarez. No, we didn't talk about that.
35:54
Yeah. So all of these moves that
35:56
they've been making, trying to offload some money, you you
35:58
would have to think that they're preparing to do something this
36:03
offseason, something big that would require a little bit of
36:07
breathing room financially. Why am I?
36:09
Spacing on where Suarez went. He went to.
36:17
Milwaukee wasn't. Wasn't Milwaukee?
36:25
Gosh, it's been what, like a week now?
36:26
Has it been a week the D backs? That's what it was D.
36:30
Backs. That's right.
36:33
I like that. Actually.
36:34
I like that fit, yeah. So I mean, if they don't, if
36:41
they, if they're doing all this to do nothing, yeah.
36:45
It's a little odd. Very strange.
36:48
I would. Agree.
36:50
I would agree. Where did Marco get dealt to?
36:54
Like you said, the Braves flipped him.
36:56
Where did he go? Place where careers go to, I
37:03
won't say die, But where you go to be forgotten about.
37:10
Tough. I mean it.
37:14
Dude's an Indians eater. Regardless where he ends up,
37:16
he's gonna, he's gonna give you Indians.
37:20
But yeah, I I mean, if you're the Mariners, you gotta you
37:24
gotta show me something like it. You gotta give me more than
37:28
offloading money. You're going to need to fill
37:31
that void with something there. I mean, it's not, it's not how
37:36
about superstar studded market? But like, you got to go out and
37:39
give me something. How?
37:40
About the Lee, the KBO kid who just got posted.
37:52
Oh. As a As a fit.
37:56
As a Seattle, as a. Fit second baseman right?
38:05
Am I crazy? Outfielder.
38:08
Really. Could have swore he's a second
38:10
baseman. I don't know what's wrong with
38:11
me. Oh, there you go.
38:13
That could be a fit. Jung Huli.
38:19
A little some some there. I don't know.
38:21
You're I I mean, I agree though. The Mariners are like, you're
38:24
not far from getting over the hump.
38:25
Like it? Like let's double down, Let's
38:28
reassess. You got offloaded some some
38:30
pieces. Let's reassess.
38:32
Get back on it. No need to blow it up.
38:39
Do you mind the celnic post without thinking the Mariners at
38:48
all? I actually don't and maybe it
38:52
just caught me out on a in a in a petty mood when I saw that
38:55
come out. But I'm like, you know, chances
38:59
are that there was some bad blood there with the handling of
39:02
his, his young career and probably.
39:06
He's. Probably a little.
39:07
I mean, I'm sure if he was older and he was looking back, he may
39:11
think differently about it. But I I I can't fault the kid
39:14
for being a little bit short sighted in that sense if if it
39:20
was intentional to be like you know like I I'm looking ahead
39:24
I'm I'm looking forward now. I I don't have time for fake.
39:29
Yeah. Appreciation for a team that
39:33
didn't didn't exactly handle my career trajectory as as well as
39:38
they should have So like I sure I I can't fault them.
39:43
Fair enough. That's just me.
39:50
I agree, he'll learn. Though like I said, if it was a
39:55
different, if he was a little older down the road, he may
39:58
think differently about it. But all I have to say, Craig
40:03
Kimbrel signed a one year deal worth 13 mil with the OS Today
40:11
option for 2025. Pretty genius by the OS in my
40:18
mind. Batista is out for next year
40:20
right? So yeah, do what you will, Keep
40:24
Kano in the eight spot close games with Kimbrel, rotate them,
40:28
whatever. But you're talking about AI mean
40:32
he gets a lot of hate and he's he's definitely blowing some
40:34
saves. I've I've hated on him a bit,
40:35
but I mean he's a borderline Hall of Famer and has you know
40:42
close down and clutch games. So, you know, I think it, I
40:48
think it makes a lot of sense. It's a it's a really quick
40:52
pretty durable Band-Aid for losing Bautista on the back end
40:58
of that bullpen. So yeah, I would say he probably
41:03
remains closer. I would just keep Cano in the
41:06
eighth spot, right? Might as well.
41:09
Like, they're both. Like both.
41:11
Let's just keep you in your strong.
41:13
Let's keep you in your strong spots.
41:15
You know, Kimbrel, we don't need to mess around with the 8th
41:18
inning. Canal.
41:20
Let's just prime you to stay in the 8th inning because Batista
41:22
is going to come back eventually, right?
41:25
So I like it. Please do more.
41:29
If you're an Orioles fan, I would say please, please be
41:32
doing more. Yeah.
41:33
For sure. I understand that relievers,
41:38
especially leveraged relievers, are more dispensable, especially
41:46
in a in a game now that I feel like see so much turnover, more
41:55
so than I feel like used to be like true.
41:58
I don't know if turnover was much of a thing as it is now.
42:00
I mean, certainly to a degree, but I just don't feel like it's
42:04
been as much. But I would think a guy like
42:06
Kimbrel would be able to stick around a little longer, yeah?
42:12
But. He's, I mean, he's bounced
42:14
around now, man, that's crazy. Eighth team, you're talking one
42:19
of the like, I would say. A top ten reliever of all time?
42:25
Is that crazy to say? I mean, I we can.
42:31
Let's pull up the numbers here. I don't think it's that crazy.
42:37
Even if he's not just the name alone, you would think a guy
42:42
like Craig Kimbrel would be able to stick around a little longer
42:46
than he than he does. Not to say that he.
42:48
I mean, you're not going to see like a career closer stick
42:52
around with a single team, but my goodness, well, I'm not sure
43:00
Mariano Rivera, but he's 8th. He's 8th all time in saves.
43:07
Yeah, with 417. More than Dennis Eckersley.
43:13
More than Joe Nathan. More than Tapplebon.
43:17
Raleigh Fingers. I mean 11. 192 strikeouts in 757
43:26
innings. It's pretty good coming off a
43:38
132 ERA plus last year. I actually didn't hate the fit
43:46
in Philly. I.
43:48
Didn't either. I liked it too, but.
43:50
I feel like with his style of game, his personality just
43:55
seemed like a a decent fit. Not to say that Baltimore's any
43:59
like much different, but I don't know.
44:02
I mean, on paper it's a good fit, like he talked about.
44:05
But. We'll see.
44:07
We're going to. See him again in the fall,
44:09
that's we're going to see him again.
44:12
So you're going to see him in high leverage spots in the
44:14
postseason. Again, just be prepared for it
44:17
and I I think if you're the Orioles, go get another.
44:21
But, you know, maybe we'll need to talk to Ryan a little bit
44:23
more, but go get a bullpen arm that you know another one.
44:28
Go get another one. Don't wear this guy down into
44:31
the dirt and then complain when postseason rolls around and he
44:36
coughs up a lead or does something sketchy.
44:39
You know, I feel like that's what every team does, every
44:45
team. He goes to the bullpens and
44:47
shambles and a lot of a lot of weight on his shoulders.
44:52
So that's just me. We shall see.
45:00
I'm. I'm having a hard time picturing
45:02
him in a nose jersey. It's.
45:03
I wonder if that man button is sticking around?
45:07
I sure hope not, man. Oh, get that out of here.
45:11
Yeah, Yeah. I can't see the UNI.
45:13
I just can't see it. Weirdly, I can.
45:17
See Soto in a Yankees jersey. But I can't.
45:20
I can't see Kimbrel in a nose jersey.
45:22
Yeah. Weird.
45:27
I wanted to touch on real quick before we get into our our
45:31
closing segment, our new closing segment, these Shohei leaks,
45:40
This is yet another name that could sign tonight, could sign
45:44
next week, who knows I've. Seen before the weekend, I've
45:50
seen that a few times. Well, I saw, I think I saw by
45:53
the end of the weekend, yeah. Seen a few of those.
45:58
They're all they're all conflicting reports, I know, but
46:02
I wanted to touch on these leaks because this seems to have been
46:08
a rather large talking point when it comes to the show.
46:15
Hey, sweepstakes. As we as we know that was made
46:19
public, whether or not he's actually said that I think has
46:24
yet to be determined. But it was made public that if
46:27
Shohei, if his meetings with specific teams were made public,
46:34
or if or if the details surrounding those meetings were
46:37
made public, that that would affect their chances in the
46:42
process of acquiring him, which we already talked about don't
46:46
have a problem with like. And this isn't the first player
46:50
to do that, so no. No, she's.
46:54
Probably the biggest player to ever do it.
46:56
Sure. But it was funny because in the
47:00
last 24 to 36 hours, I think we have seen both.
47:07
We've seen news come out both about the Cubs and the Dodgers.
47:12
Yeah, the Cubs that got a little heated.
47:15
I don't know if it's interesting.
47:16
Yeah, this is Bob. Yet another Nightingale moment.
47:20
Yet this guy is just making a name for himself for all the
47:23
wrong reasons. Bob Bob Nightingale put out a
47:27
report that said that the Cubs were falling out of the bidding
47:32
for Shohei Ohtani, saying that their quote optimism of landing
47:37
Ohtani has now significantly waned.
47:40
However, the club's president of baseball OPS, Jed Hoyer, denied
47:45
that framing. Denied that at the winter
47:48
meetings. I don't know where that came
47:50
from, Foyer said to the Chicago Sun Times.
47:54
There's there's no nothing to report whatsoever.
48:01
How? How Pissed.
48:02
Like, if this is true, Like, in terms of Shohei wanting these
48:08
teams keep quiet, like how pissed would you be at a guy
48:10
like Bob Nightingale? Be like dude, shut your mouth.
48:12
Yeah, I know it's wild. I mean, I think that there's
48:19
there's obviously like this, this media curtain and I think
48:23
that there is like this understanding of teams and
48:29
organizations and players. Like, there's stuff that the
48:32
media will never get a hold of or there's stuff that they'll
48:37
never have the ability to release.
48:41
So I I'd like to think that Shohei and his camp would be
48:44
like, all right, hey, it's all good cubbies.
48:46
Like, this isn't coming from you.
48:49
This isn't coming from a source. Like, you could tell that, you
48:53
know this reporter. I'm sure someone in in Ohtani
48:56
Land is like, hey, Bob Nightingale's got a lot of stuff
48:58
wrong, by the way. So, like, just take that with a
49:01
grain of salt. I'm sure there's got to be
49:04
somebody saying that, right? So that's a good point.
49:06
Yeah, yeah. I would hope that it doesn't
49:09
sway or or affect anything. I think Otani in Chicago would
49:14
be kind of cool, to be honest. I'd be down and let's be.
49:17
Honest, I think. I think SHO Hayes.
49:19
Probably. I could see him calling him Boob
49:22
Nightingale. Yeah, I think.
49:25
He's in on that, yeah. He I think SHO hay, he may, he
49:31
may be really good at baseball and he may make a lot of money.
49:34
But I think at the end of the day, SHO Hayes, one of us, I
49:37
think. So I think should be calling
49:38
that boob. Nightingale Yeah Group text
49:41
Just. Clean it up.
49:42
What are we doing? On the flip side though, better
49:45
your job. You met, you mentioned Shohei's
49:50
camp, hopefully possibly telling Shohei like, hey, this, this
49:54
didn't come from the team. On the flip side, you've got
49:57
Dave Roberts talking to the media directly for a good what,
50:02
20 minutes saying, yeah, we met with Shohei, this and that.
50:09
I saw a couple people sent me this.
50:14
This graphic set a tail in a tail in Three Parts ESP.
50:22
NS Jeff Passan reported earlier this week that if a meeting
50:25
between Ohtani and any team becomes public, the two way
50:27
superstar will hold it against the interested club.
50:30
The next post down, Dave Roberts, said he and the Dodgers
50:34
met with Shohei Ohtani at Dodger Stadium a couple days ago.
50:37
I think it went well, he said. Next post down, Robert spoke
50:42
freely and relaxed for 20 minutes, but his face became
50:45
serious as he spent several moments reading a text message
50:48
on his phone. After his session, he
50:49
immediately huddled with the Dodgers public relations
50:52
officials. So either, Dave, yeah, I didn't.
50:58
Know that last part either Dave Roberts was living with his head
51:02
under the sand or is Colin show Hayes Bluff.
51:07
I like I don't know what's going on here but that like how if
51:11
regardless how you feel about it if Dave Roberts thinks who does
51:14
this guy think he is? Like no we're going to talk
51:17
about it. I'm going to let the the media
51:19
know that we met if even if that's how he he feels about it.
51:24
I'm sure the rest of the people in your organization in that
51:26
front office don't really appreciate it.
51:29
Even if there is any truth right to show, like I said to, whether
51:33
or not Shohei actually said that if there is a shred of truth to
51:35
that, maybe don't spend 20 minutes talking about it with
51:40
the media. I don't know.
51:40
That's just me. Such a.
51:45
Dave Roberts thing to do to well, I don't know.
51:50
I mean I I think there's a lot of people that understand that
51:52
the Dodgers are favorites. I think to just sit there and
51:55
and play dumb and say that there hasn't been any discussion or
51:59
you know you don't want to comment on it.
52:00
I don't know it's I I can see what how where it would be
52:03
difficult and why it would be difficult.
52:08
But at the same time it's like yeah like if this is true and I
52:12
can't see why it wouldn't be true.
52:14
You know like I we talked about it before I'm a fan of it.
52:18
I think like Shohei asking for discretion and for
52:23
professionalism to just you know keep it under wraps somewhat and
52:28
like keep it between us, absolutely not the first player
52:32
to request that from a team. So let's not overreact there.
52:39
I just I I'm curious to see there, there are some teams that
52:43
are dropping out. I I think there are.
52:45
There are teams dropping out. I think it's silly to say that
52:48
there aren't. But like if LA is going to be
52:56
man, talk about maximizing your brand.
53:01
And I know you were in LA, but you weren't really in LA, you
53:04
know what I mean? So being in Dodger land is a
53:08
whole different ball game. So if there was, say, like the
53:14
Dodgers were the only this, the only thing we ever heard, this
53:17
is the only leak that we ever got that was legitimate.
53:20
And it's Dave Roberts putting his foot in his mouth and he
53:24
still signs there and no other team let any leaks out.
53:28
Dude, that can't just be the only variable that we're paying
53:30
attention to. It's just it's the only thing
53:32
that we're getting out of this. It's the only thing we're
53:34
reading about this. It's the only thing reporters
53:37
can go off of. So yeah.
53:46
I'm just so I'm all. Done.
53:49
I'm just. I'm ready for Domino's the Fall.
53:51
This stuff is getting old, man. I feel like it gets worse every
53:54
year. I cannot express how done I am
53:59
with these reporters. Yeah, it's just so like, it's so
54:05
transparently obvious that they're bored, that they have
54:09
nothing to do. And then you got a guy, didn't
54:12
you? Failed to mention this?
54:14
You got a guy like Buster, only I don't know if you saw his his
54:19
piece that he put out. I need to find this.
54:23
You may have already deleted it if I'm if I'm being honest with
54:26
you. Oh, I know what you're talking
54:27
about. The one that was in the group
54:29
text the other day yesterday. Yeah.
54:34
He said he He tweeted an article that I'm I I'm assuming he wrote
54:42
let me pull it up here ESPN piece.
54:45
Yeah he wrote it and he linked to it on on Twitter X whatever.
54:50
And the headline was Shohei Ohtani's top secret free agency
54:54
is silly and a missed opportunity for him in the
54:56
sport. Cry more Buster like you and
55:02
these writers are just so butthurt that you have nothing
55:05
to talk about and it's just eating you guys alive.
55:09
Like just be like the rest. Like I I know this is how you
55:13
how you make a living. But maybe let's try to reinvent
55:19
or discover a new route to take when this when the offseason
55:24
hits, because it's the same song and dance every.
55:27
Year you. You all are recycling tweets.
55:32
You're you're making up things to that end up contradicting one
55:36
another. And I'm not just saying, Buster,
55:38
I'm talking about all of them. Honestly, outside of like
55:40
passing at this point, it's all it's the same thing every year.
55:46
And I saw I saw somebody put out a post where it's like every
55:52
baseball writer to ever exist. Just tweeting out deal is close
55:58
just to get clicks for and it was talking about the Soto deal.
56:04
It's like that's all they do. It's like, OK, thanks for
56:06
telling us that we're close. Thanks for telling us that.
56:08
It's that this team is buying. Somebody that it's.
56:11
Being finalized that they're working on like we know this
56:15
already, tell us something different because I'm tired of
56:20
this game that we play every year.
56:22
It's so it it has. I can only imagine it has to
56:26
turn people off to the sport. Like in such a it's such a
56:29
pivotal time where you can, I know it's the offseason, but
56:33
like, you can really use this to generate some different buzz.
56:37
But if the only buzz that you're generating is stale, recycled
56:41
reports that contradict one another, you're not really
56:45
helping your case out. 100%. I don't know.
56:49
I'm just done with it. Any other thoughts on free
56:52
agency stuff before we? Like I said, just ready for
56:57
Domino's to start falling. I think once Shouhei Yamamoto
57:03
fall, other teams can start to figure out like the teams that
57:08
that didn't get, those guys can start to figure out like where
57:11
to pivot. And I think you'll see a lot of
57:12
Plan BS and a lot of Plan CS fall into place.
57:16
And that's what I mean that's the this is what Winter meetings
57:20
are for. So I'm hoping we get more in the
57:23
next few days to obviously out date this episode quickly.
57:29
That's the nature of the beast this time of year.
57:31
It's all right. Yep.
57:34
Are we gonna do it like an emergency pod?
57:36
If if Shohei signs. We might have to.
57:39
I mean, it's Shohei I need to probably.
57:43
We could probably wait on Yamamoto.
57:46
Probably. Wait on Yamamoto?
57:48
As as excited as I would be, Shohei.
57:51
Is going to be a yeah, Shohei is going to be the probably the
57:55
biggest free agent we've ever seen, yeah.
57:58
Adventures say yeah. So maybe an emergency pod for
58:01
that? Assuming it's not at like 11:30
58:05
at night on a Friday, no. Knowing our luck, it's going to
58:08
be like 10:00 AM and we're just in the middle of work day.
58:12
Yep. Yeah.
58:13
That's that's that's most likely scenario I I kind of alluded to
58:19
it something and I had alluded to it last episode I believe
58:24
Something I think we wanted to do this offseason is use a few
58:27
minutes at the end of these episodes to do a little deep
58:31
dive into some some unbreakable records.
58:35
And the one we've got for you today is Pete Rose hit total.
58:42
Yeah, safe to say with the style of baseball that we have, unless
58:52
something drastic changes and we see a complete shift in the way
58:56
the game is played for years to come, venture to say that our
59:03
guy Pete is safe 4256 career hits the most all time.
59:10
Yeah. Yeah, like you said, style of
59:13
play, rule changes. I mean, it's just longevity.
59:18
Longevity is a huge one. Not just longevity, but like
59:23
also durability. Like just in a single season.
59:28
You know what I mean? Like, it's ridiculous.
59:31
We see a handful of guys that play over 155 games a year,
59:37
literally a handful we could probably count on on both.
59:39
Our hands may have to use a few toes, but that's just not what
59:45
it was back then. Like every guy played every day
59:47
back then. So it's just a different ball
59:50
game, different style. I do think, you know, I I would
59:55
argue to say that pitching has probably gotten better since
59:59
then. You're seeing a lot more.
1:00:02
You're seeing more consistent velocity with more movement than
1:00:05
you saw back then. You're seeing the whole bullpen
1:00:09
effect. You know, Pete Rose probably got
1:00:12
to see a a guy three or four times every day.
1:00:17
Nowadays you're only seeing that guy twice and then you're seeing
1:00:20
two or three more guys individually after that.
1:00:24
So the it's just the game has changed.
1:00:26
So, so much ain't going to happen I would say.
1:00:33
I mean it's we'll get in other milestones for sure.
1:00:39
I wouldn't say it's impossible, but I just don't see it.
1:00:45
I don't know, dude. I mean, 3000 these days is is
1:00:49
huge, a huge milestone 4256, I mean, my goodness, the reason,
1:01:00
part of the reason when we're talking about a segment is part
1:01:06
of the reason I wanted to do something like this is because I
1:01:10
wanted to. Not only maybe help some some
1:01:14
listeners figure out or discover some new things, but also for
1:01:17
ourselves, maybe learn a new thing or two right off the top.
1:01:21
I don't think this is something that I was aware of.
1:01:24
Maybe you were, but I don't. Maybe I had heard it in passing
1:01:27
or read it somewhere. But did you know that Ty Cobb,
1:01:32
who's at #2, by the way, that's the record he broke.
1:01:35
Yeah. Did you?
1:01:37
Do you know the whole thing about his hit total?
1:01:40
No. What about it?
1:01:42
How they? Didn't know what day Pete Rose
1:01:44
actually broke the record because they didn't know how
1:01:47
many hits. Ty.
1:01:49
Cobb actually had, I think I. Remember hearing that back in
1:01:52
the day? It was.
1:01:53
Crazy like I was reading this. I I was not.
1:01:56
Like I said, I may have heard it in passing, but I was not.
1:01:58
When I read it, I was like, this is news to me.
1:02:01
Yeah, but they I I pulled a little blurb here, it said
1:02:05
because record keeping in baseball in the early part of
1:02:07
the 20th century wasn't up to today's standards, the American
1:02:11
League erroneously double counted A2 hit game by Cobb in
1:02:14
1910. So in actuality, Cobb finished
1:02:17
with forty one 4189 hits, not the familiar number of 4191.
1:02:25
So apparently he actually broke the record a few nights before
1:02:29
in Chicago. Yeah, that's what I was reading.
1:02:32
Wow. But then the one?
1:02:34
Be tough. Imagine having that baseball.
1:02:36
I don't know if the Hall of Fame has it or not, if it's like a
1:02:39
memorabilia keepsake or something, but pretty wild.
1:02:43
You got the wrong one. I mean the 1:00 we we all have
1:02:48
seen like the highlight that we've seen he's at, he's at home
1:02:54
little, little inside out to left, left little.
1:02:58
Bleeder. Yeah.
1:02:59
Little Bleeder. Yeah, apparently that was.
1:03:05
Yeah, I don't know. Man, it's yeah, I agree with
1:03:10
everything. It's just it's not going to
1:03:12
happen. It's not going to happen.
1:03:13
It's 20 years of averaging over 200 hits.
1:03:17
That's just it doesn't happen anymore, he.
1:03:19
Had a 162 game average of 194 hits over the span of 24 years.
1:03:30
You. Don't see 24 year careers
1:03:32
anymore. Barely see 20 year careers and
1:03:36
you're sure as hell not going to see 190 plus hits averaged a
1:03:42
year. Just not going to happen for. 24
1:03:44
years it. I'm telling it.
1:03:46
Nobody's touching this. Nobody.
1:03:51
Real quick. I don't know if we've ever get
1:03:53
him into the hall or where do you stand on that?
1:03:57
Are you asking me? Yeah, we've we've.
1:04:00
Talked about this. Before.
1:04:01
It's been a while. I think we.
1:04:02
Have have we not? I don't remember.
1:04:06
I mean absolutely dude. I mean what are we even talking
1:04:11
about Look not to get, not to get too illustrative here but
1:04:18
venture to say we've got we've got some some worse people in
1:04:23
the hall. I'm sure we've got some some
1:04:28
some gamblers, some degenerates, some drunks, some druggies, some
1:04:32
rapists, some racists. Like I'm sorry if that hurts
1:04:36
people's feelings, but we got to stop being naive.
1:04:40
And the fact that he was just, he was betting on his own team.
1:04:47
I I don't understand how you're going to ban him from the Hall
1:04:55
of. Fame, It's.
1:04:57
And and people can sit there and talk about bonds and how he's
1:05:01
not in the hall and I'm like, that's you can't.
1:05:05
Hear the two. Conversations.
1:05:08
The fact that you have the true hit King not in the hall.
1:05:15
Like, what are we doing? And I.
1:05:17
And I've said this since day one.
1:05:19
What's going to happen is he's going to die.
1:05:21
We will no longer have Pete Rose with us.
1:05:23
And then they're going to do this whole ceremonious Hey,
1:05:28
let's extend the olive branch to the Rose family, yeah.
1:05:31
Probably really surprised Selig didn't do it on his way out.
1:05:36
I'm curious to see if if Manfred will just because of he's
1:05:45
obviously like tries to be a trailblazer, you know what I
1:05:49
mean? I wonder if he does it late,
1:05:54
late in in his, but that's what I'm.
1:05:58
Saying that's what I'm saying. We're getting to the point where
1:06:01
it it. I mean, Pete's not getting any
1:06:04
younger. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
1:06:06
He'll probably be dead. A little fun fact about well, we
1:06:13
now know it wasn't the technical record-breaking hit, but for the
1:06:18
one that we do, think of it as the one in Cincinnati at home.
1:06:25
Fun fact. You know who the catcher was for
1:06:28
that at bat? You don't, but I'm just going to
1:06:32
see if you happen to throw out a Guess Who.
1:06:37
Are they playing the Padres? Mike Soscia.
1:06:48
Bruce Bocci. Wow.
1:06:50
Well, fun fact, nice. He also got run over by Pete
1:06:54
Rose in one of those infamous collisions at home plate.
1:06:57
Nice I. Don't know if a lot of people
1:06:59
know that I didn't. Even know Bruce Belgie was a
1:07:03
catcher well. It makes a lot.
1:07:06
Of sense been saying it. Makes a lot of sense.
1:07:11
Been saying it. But yeah, going back to the the
1:07:15
longevity thing, I I think that's where in regards to this
1:07:19
record, I think that's where a lot of people's argument comes
1:07:21
to a head is they say he's and to be fair, he was overrated in
1:07:28
certain aspects. Like I'm not going to sit here
1:07:30
and say he's the best hitter of all time because he's not sure.
1:07:35
There's something to be said about like you said, having the
1:07:39
durability to to play that long and to to hit that well.
1:07:44
But that doesn't. I don't.
1:07:46
I'm not of the belief that that makes you the the best hitter of
1:07:48
all time. Well, I.
1:07:49
Don't I'm I think just on, like today's terms, we can't sit here
1:07:53
and say Luis Arayas is the best hitter in the league, even
1:07:57
though he leads the league in hits like you.
1:07:59
Yeah, I agree. There's a lot.
1:08:02
More a lot, lot more variables that that come into play on
1:08:06
something like that. But what was interesting in
1:08:10
looking at this career of his obviously has the most hits all
1:08:18
time. But when you look at his
1:08:21
numbers, his batting average is not in the top 100 all time.
1:08:26
Yeah, his OBP is not in the top 100 of all time.
1:08:30
His slugging was not in the top 100, nor was his OPSOP.
1:08:36
S Plus A118. You look at how many I mean,
1:08:42
which makes sense because OPS is. 784.
1:08:49
Yeah, a lot of singles, but it meant.
1:08:54
What I was saying is it makes sense when you play that long,
1:08:56
but if you look, I think he doesn't.
1:08:58
He lead all of baseball and outs made or as close to it.
1:09:02
Sure, I bet. I mean.
1:09:04
That, that that just comes with the territory.
1:09:06
But all that to say there, yes, you can look at Pete Rose's
1:09:09
career and say that he's overrated in certain aspects,
1:09:12
but to for somebody to look at Pete Rose and say, well, it's
1:09:19
just because he played for as long as he did, There's value in
1:09:22
that. Like, we talk about it all the
1:09:23
time. Like, OK, yeah, he played for a
1:09:27
long time. But that's a skill in and of
1:09:31
itself is to be able to to have your your body ready to be able
1:09:35
to do it at that high of a level day in and day out for 24 years.
1:09:40
Yeah, I'm going to take that into account.
1:09:42
So. Never struck out more than 100
1:09:46
times in a in a season by the way.
1:09:48
Highest number I think was 76. I mean, if you're if you're
1:09:55
averaging, what? What did I say?
1:09:58
194 hits for 24 years. Not a lot of room for
1:10:02
strikeouts. That's crazy. 10 years of over
1:10:10
200 hits, highest being 230 hits in a season.
1:10:15
Whoa. Wow.
1:10:20
Crazy, crazy. All right, that's good stuff.
1:10:29
Look at us. That's good.
1:10:30
That was fun cracking into. A new segment, we'll get better
1:10:32
at this and we're gonna get into some other stuff.
1:10:36
Yeah, we're we'll be learning along the way.
1:10:38
It'll just give us something to to chat about if if things are
1:10:41
slow. But yeah, we'll have some more.
1:10:45
We'll have some more. We gotta we're working on a
1:10:47
list. We're workshopping a list of
1:10:48
some records that we want to get into some of the more obvious
1:10:51
ones. But there's some that I don't
1:10:52
think a lot of people think about that we'd like to true tap
1:10:56
tap into a little bit. So more to come.
1:10:59
Closing the book here. Ah, real quick.
1:11:04
Yadi Molina named special assistant to the president of
1:11:06
baseball OPS for the Saint Louis Cardinals.
1:11:09
How do we feel about that? Duh.
1:11:11
Should be a manager though. Yeah I need.
1:11:14
I don't really front office all he's.
1:11:16
Got to go. Even if he's not a manager, I I
1:11:19
just need him in the dugout. He.
1:11:21
He's. Not he's not a front office guy,
1:11:23
but we just talked about this before hopping on that we like
1:11:29
the idea of players getting into the front office.
1:11:31
Yeah, could affect. Some good change, but if what I
1:11:40
will say is that if he's in the dugout right now, you know
1:11:43
Wilson Contreras will never be accepted ever.
1:11:47
So maybe give that a little time.
1:11:54
And it's a rather tumultuous time in Saint Louis right now.
1:11:57
I don't know if that's a good way to introduce him into the
1:11:59
club. End of the I would agree.
1:12:01
Give him a clean slate and dugout.
1:12:03
Yeah, I agree outfitter Jason Hayward.
1:12:07
I mean, we could have talked about this during the free
1:12:10
agency segment, but probably not really noteworthy necessarily.
1:12:15
Going back to the Dodgers on a one year, 9,000,001 year, $9
1:12:19
million deal bounced back last year, hit 26915 bombs, played
1:12:29
all three outfield spots. Yeah, quality defense is still
1:12:34
there. And provides, yeah, I was going
1:12:36
to say provides them a little flexibility with this news that
1:12:39
we just got about Mookie being their second baseman, which,
1:12:42
yeah, it's like kind of surprised, but kind of not, you
1:12:46
know, I like. It I'll be here for it.
1:12:51
And I think that was it. Unless.
1:12:56
You. Got.
1:12:57
Unless you got anything else, I'm all.
1:12:59
Done. I'm all done.
1:13:04
So safe to assume, barring a an emergency pod, we will be
1:13:10
talking about maybe 1 soda in official capacity next episode.
1:13:17
Yeah, we gave you. We gave you the best we could
1:13:19
given what we knew most likely Show hey.
1:13:25
Hoping. And maybe even Yamamoto.
1:13:29
Who knows? Maybe the big dogs will be off
1:13:31
the board. Show.
1:13:32
Hey, if you're listening to some of them, please do it on like
1:13:34
like Sunday night. Give us a chance, you know?
1:13:41
Is that fair? That'd be nice.
1:13:43
He did say by the end of the weekend, so maybe he's going to
1:13:46
give, maybe he's going to run this thing out to the absolute
1:13:49
latest point. I'm about it.
1:13:53
Thanks for listening. I don't think there's any other
1:13:57
announcements I had to make. That's all I got.
1:13:59
Not. Until we hit end, Don't go
1:14:02
chasing curveballs, folks. Love you all and as always,
1:14:04
looking forward to talking more baseball with you guys soon.
1:14:06
Until next time, stay filthy.