Latest / Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation / PGA DFS | The Memorial | May 28, 2025 | Weather, Ownership, Lineup Construction and Q+A
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- 0:08Speaker 1: All system's gone clear the lift yo, yo yo, what's
- 0:40Speaker 1: going on?
- 0:41Speaker 2: Called fans, it's your boy g s luke you with
- 0:43Speaker 2: our live stream for this week's Memorial tournaments. Gotta get
- 0:46Speaker 2: you guys ready for all of your exposure. But first off,
- 0:48Speaker 2: I look at some of the weather heading into lock.
- 0:50Speaker 2: How that's going to impact days one and two. Go there,
- 0:53Speaker 2: any player deep dives that you have for me in
- 0:54Speaker 2: the live chat, some ownership from eight K plus, as
- 0:57Speaker 2: well as some stuff on DraftKings, looking at some contests
- 1:00Speaker 2: that are available there. Also building a few lineups together
- 1:03Speaker 2: to make sure we're all on the same page and
- 1:04Speaker 2: ready to crush our exposure. But hopefully your Wednesday is
- 1:07Speaker 2: treating you guys nicely. He was able to play some
- 1:10Speaker 2: golf myself this afternoon. A little bit of a rain
- 1:12Speaker 2: delay that threw it off a bit, but can't complain
- 1:15Speaker 2: anytime we get to play this lovely sport that we're
- 1:17Speaker 2: breaking down here and ready for this signature event to come.
- 1:20Speaker 2: So whether it's a work week for you guys, I
- 1:22Speaker 2: know Wednesdays can be a little bit of a downtime
- 1:24Speaker 2: for some people. We've got golf coming tomorrow, so all
- 1:27Speaker 2: things up and super stoked to talk about it. You
- 1:30Speaker 2: got go collect in the chat also Wayne with a
- 1:32Speaker 2: player deep dive that will go through a little bit later,
- 1:34Speaker 2: and for sure I got you Wayne. We'll talk about
- 1:37Speaker 2: saw Hith later on. We got Jake there as well,
- 1:39Speaker 2: talking about Scotty Scheffler as potential faith. Yeah, we'll talk
- 1:43Speaker 2: about that. For sure, He's going to be super highly owed.
- 1:45Speaker 2: See Floyd Brant says cold hand Luke love the reference.
- 1:48Speaker 2: We get Allen down there to appreciate the kind words
- 1:51Speaker 2: and already this glasses Luke, Yeah, I only use them sparingly.
- 1:55Speaker 2: It's something that I only use when I'm giving.
- 1:57Speaker 1: My eyes some rest.
- 1:59Speaker 2: But maybe they'll make a little bit of a guest
- 2:01Speaker 2: appearance at some point. They got Bury here as well
- 2:03Speaker 2: with another player deep dive that will do a little
- 2:05Speaker 2: bit later. And as Mike said, smash the lakebund If
- 2:07Speaker 2: you guys haven't already and what's going on, Ryan, I'd
- 2:10Speaker 2: love to have you in the live chat here. But
- 2:12Speaker 2: we're gonna start it off with a look at the
- 2:14Speaker 2: weather and how that's gonna impact days one and two.
- 2:16Speaker 2: So we're over here on Thursday looking at the h
- 2:18Speaker 2: trip of R forecast in Days one and two look
- 2:21Speaker 2: very similar from the weather angle, so we do have
- 2:24Speaker 2: twosomes off a full one, so there is a chance
- 2:27Speaker 2: that we could get a weather edge, but the weather
- 2:29Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be cooperating because what you'll see here
- 2:31Speaker 2: on Thursday is that in the afternoon it looks little
- 2:33Speaker 2: bit windier than the morning, but it's also gonna be
- 2:35Speaker 2: a little.
- 2:36Speaker 1: Bit cooler in the morning hour.
- 2:37Speaker 2: So I really think it's probably gonna play it like
- 2:39Speaker 2: a quarter of a stroke easier towards the first half
- 2:41Speaker 2: of tea times, just because they won't have as much wind.
- 2:44Speaker 2: But those cool temperatures they're gonna make it tough as well.
- 2:47Speaker 2: I mean, they've had a lot of rain in the
- 2:49Speaker 2: area this week. It's gonna be a little bit of
- 2:50Speaker 2: a softer golf course and what we're used to seeing,
- 2:53Speaker 2: which I think is gonna make an already long golf
- 2:55Speaker 2: course at about seventy five hundred yards play extremely long
- 2:58Speaker 2: when it's only fifty to out. So for Showdown tomorrow,
- 3:02Speaker 2: we'll see how it looks between the morning and afternoon.
- 3:04Speaker 2: I'm not somebody that plays a lot of Round one Showdown,
- 3:07Speaker 2: but if I was taking a gainder or maybe leaning
- 3:09Speaker 2: towards one side or the other. It would be the
- 3:11Speaker 2: AM side that should play a hair easier than the PM.
- 3:15Speaker 2: But when they go over to the Friday forecast, and
- 3:17Speaker 2: we'll use a couple of these different models to go
- 3:19Speaker 2: through it, HRDPS hasn't really loaded in quite yet, but
- 3:23Speaker 2: this ANYM model, which seems to be the most accurate
- 3:26Speaker 2: when we're.
- 3:26Speaker 1: Forty eight hours out, looks the exact same.
- 3:29Speaker 2: It looks cool in the morning, about fifty eight degrees fahrenheit,
- 3:32Speaker 2: but as the day goes on, these winds tend to
- 3:34Speaker 2: kick up a bit, and you can see in this
- 3:36Speaker 2: HRDPS that they were calling for some rain in Friday's forecast.
- 3:40Speaker 2: In fact, if we go to the h triple R,
- 3:41Speaker 2: they're calling for that same sort of scenario. But because
- 3:44Speaker 2: it is such a light rain, it's less than five
- 3:47Speaker 2: one hundreds of an inch that is coming down per hour,
- 3:50Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to impact to the
- 3:51Speaker 2: play that much. So as of right now, I'm currently
- 3:54Speaker 2: playing my lineup's pretty straight up. I'm not playing with
- 3:57Speaker 2: a massive weather edge. But because I'm one fifty and
- 4:01Speaker 2: I'm gonna like buy default get lamps that are six
- 4:03Speaker 2: to zero in either direction. That's how I'm choosing to
- 4:05Speaker 2: play it. I'm just letting it naturally play out. Any
- 4:08Speaker 2: six o's that they get from all AM guys, or
- 4:10Speaker 2: any six o's that I'm getting from all PM guys.
- 4:12Speaker 2: I'm just kind of letting happen in my exposure. And
- 4:15Speaker 2: the one thing I would say is if you want
- 4:16Speaker 2: to jam it up a little bit, maybe force in
- 4:18Speaker 2: ten to maybe twelve fifteen percent of a six to
- 4:21Speaker 2: six in either direction, you could take that rounde I
- 4:24Speaker 2: would say, I don't think it's the worst idea on
- 4:26Speaker 2: a slate like this, but it doesn't look like there's
- 4:29Speaker 2: going to be a massive weather advantage to be had
- 4:31Speaker 2: unless the winds kick up out of nowhere over the
- 4:33Speaker 2: next few days, or unless the storms are a lot
- 4:36Speaker 2: more significant than they're calling for, which could happen. We've
- 4:39Speaker 2: seen the weather go one eighty on us a thousand
- 4:41Speaker 2: times before out here at PGADFS, which is why if
- 4:44Speaker 2: you want to take ten to fifteen percent and stack
- 4:47Speaker 2: them towards either wave, that's why I don't think that's that's.
- 4:49Speaker 1: Really ever the worst idea.
- 4:51Speaker 2: So that's the weather over the first few rounds, really
- 4:54Speaker 2: nothing definitive that I see as of right now. Not
- 4:57Speaker 2: to say that if you wake up before lock tomorrow
- 4:59Speaker 2: that thing is my change on some of these weather models.
- 5:02Speaker 2: But even if they do so, let's say tomorrow morning,
- 5:04Speaker 2: you wake up and it looks like a definitive edge
- 5:07Speaker 2: towards one side, my pushback is always going to be
- 5:10Speaker 2: not to go all in on that sort of an edge,
- 5:12Speaker 2: unless you're only entering a few lineups. You know, if
- 5:14Speaker 2: you're entering three to five lineups, if you want to
- 5:16Speaker 2: make that where you're getting different to the field, then
- 5:18Speaker 2: by all means, go out there and do so. But
- 5:20Speaker 2: I think a lot of people when they watch these
- 5:22Speaker 2: live streams, they kind of take it way too far
- 5:24Speaker 2: when they hear the word weather edge. In reality, it
- 5:27Speaker 2: should just be a lean towards that side in most cases.
- 5:30Speaker 2: That's why you're not going to see me really stacking
- 5:32Speaker 2: one side or the other year. And heck, even if
- 5:34Speaker 2: it was definitive right now and it looked like one
- 5:36Speaker 2: side is going to play better, I'm never going to
- 5:38Speaker 2: go all in for a main slate on a weather edge.
- 5:40Speaker 2: If anything, it's maybe like fifty five sixty percent of
- 5:43Speaker 2: my player poll might go that one direction. I'm still
- 5:46Speaker 2: going to have forty percent from the other side of
- 5:48Speaker 2: that draw, So you know, I might force in fifteen
- 5:51Speaker 2: to twenty five percent of lineups at times that are
- 5:53Speaker 2: truly stacking the weather. But it's especially as I've gone
- 5:57Speaker 2: more and more experienced in PGADFS, it's seen a lot
- 6:00Speaker 2: of different slates work out. It is extremely rare where
- 6:03Speaker 2: you see a big enough weather edge where all the
- 6:05Speaker 2: six players are going to be from that side. I mean,
- 6:07Speaker 2: even in some of the worst weather situations that we've
- 6:10Speaker 2: had Southern Hills PGA Players Championship three years ago kind
- 6:14Speaker 2: of come to mind, it's like two and a half
- 6:16Speaker 2: free shot edges usually still get one or two guys
- 6:19Speaker 2: that are getting there from the other wave. So really,
- 6:21Speaker 2: I think this weather really when you want to take
- 6:23Speaker 2: advantage of the most is for Showdown, when we have
- 6:27Speaker 2: a single round to work with, when you're not gonna
- 6:29Speaker 2: have multiple days where the weather can kind of flip
- 6:31Speaker 2: on you at a moment's notice, and where for a
- 6:34Speaker 2: single day it's black and white where these players are
- 6:36Speaker 2: out there on the golf course. Because you got to remember,
- 6:38Speaker 2: even if we have weather edge over the first few days,
- 6:41Speaker 2: you've got Saturday Sunday to worry about, and we've got
- 6:43Speaker 2: no idea ahead of time to know when those guys
- 6:45Speaker 2: are going to be teeing off. So that's why showdown
- 6:48Speaker 2: it's a little bit more actionable. So that's the showdown
- 6:51Speaker 2: PSA for this week. Really not that much that I'm
- 6:53Speaker 2: seeing right now. We're going to focus on.
- 6:55Speaker 1: Next is going to be.
- 6:56Speaker 2: The ownership and strategy component for this slate, which I think,
- 7:00Speaker 2: without a massive weather edge, becomes an even bigger important
- 7:02Speaker 2: part of our process because if there's not going to
- 7:04Speaker 2: be an obvious half choke the one strike advantage to
- 7:07Speaker 2: kind of lean us towards one side of the other,
- 7:09Speaker 2: it's gonna be course fit projection.
- 7:11Speaker 1: That is part of the process, But I think.
- 7:13Speaker 2: The bigger part of it is game theory, playing against
- 7:16Speaker 2: the rest of the field and knowing and you know,
- 7:18Speaker 2: kind of taking into account that PGADFS is a very
- 7:21Speaker 2: hard sport to handicap. So if somebody's gonna be twice
- 7:24Speaker 2: three times the ownership of the guys around them, you
- 7:27Speaker 2: really want to think about a fade for this kind
- 7:28Speaker 2: of slate. So I'm gonna get a sip of water,
- 7:30Speaker 2: and now is we're gonna go through some of that
- 7:31Speaker 2: ownership of the player deep dives. So if you have
- 7:35Speaker 2: any of those for me, feel free to go ahead
- 7:36Speaker 2: and throw those down in the chat. You're gonna go
- 7:38Speaker 2: through the few questions that I know we had before
- 7:40Speaker 2: about specific players like saw Hit and forget the other
- 7:43Speaker 2: guy that we need the deep dive here together, but
- 7:45Speaker 2: we can go through shots gained metrics.
- 7:46Speaker 1: So I've got last twelve rounds loaded in for the field, last.
- 7:49Speaker 2: Twenty four rounds as well, excuse me, the last twenty
- 7:51Speaker 2: four rounds, so we can get a really small sample size,
- 7:54Speaker 2: a little bit more of a zoomed out stable size.
- 7:56Speaker 2: With those different categories, you can look at a event history,
- 7:58Speaker 2: recent form you guys need, so any sort of last
- 8:01Speaker 2: second research that you guys are looking for, we can
- 8:03Speaker 2: do that here together. But the rain thing we're going
- 8:06Speaker 2: to focus on after we go through a few of
- 8:07Speaker 2: these different questions, it's gonna be the ownership up here.
- 8:10Speaker 2: So I've got everything from ak plus on here. These
- 8:13Speaker 2: are my projections from the Patreon page that A run,
- 8:15Speaker 2: So these are separate from the ship it Nation. Ship
- 8:17Speaker 2: It Nation might be a little bit different on some
- 8:19Speaker 2: of these players when it comes to their ownership numbers.
- 8:22Speaker 2: It's gonna be the idea on the process up top
- 8:24Speaker 2: that you really want to take from this kind of
- 8:26Speaker 2: a live stream. So let's catch up on those questions
- 8:28Speaker 2: and talk through game theory towards the top. So let's
- 8:31Speaker 2: go through saw Hits. So shots game metrics are not pretty,
- 8:34Speaker 2: which you probably knew before asking about saw Hits. So
- 8:37Speaker 2: I don't think that this is going to be breaking
- 8:39Speaker 2: news or anything. But he's losing across all four categories,
- 8:42Speaker 2: and if you go to the last twelve rounds, it's
- 8:43Speaker 2: gonna look a little bit worse than the last twenty four.
- 8:46Speaker 2: But even the last twenty four measured rounds, and this
- 8:49Speaker 2: is a large sample size, it's not one thing that's
- 8:51Speaker 2: going wrong for saw Hits. So really, I think the
- 8:54Speaker 2: only reason you'd play a Thagala on a slate like
- 8:56Speaker 2: this is ownership in the or he could factor because
- 8:59Speaker 2: he's a you know, player that's shown up in major championships,
- 9:02Speaker 2: shown up at signature events before, and gone into the picture.
- 9:05Speaker 2: It wouldn't be completely mind blowing if he bounced back
- 9:08Speaker 2: and ended up with a top ten or top fifteen
- 9:11Speaker 2: this week, But compared to the other guys around him,
- 9:14Speaker 2: we do have to also know and at least keep
- 9:17Speaker 2: in our back of our minds that he does have
- 9:18Speaker 2: a lower hit rate for that top ten, top fifteen
- 9:21Speaker 2: than a lot of the other guys around him. So
- 9:23Speaker 2: when you're playing a Sawhith Coller, or at least trying
- 9:25Speaker 2: to decide on whether you want to play him, you've
- 9:27Speaker 2: got to ask yourself whether all that risk, which there
- 9:30Speaker 2: is a cut this week, By the way, guys, it's
- 9:32Speaker 2: top fiftieth than anyone within ten that is making the cut,
- 9:35Speaker 2: you got to ask yourself it's if it's worth taking
- 9:37Speaker 2: on that missed cut equity for that low ownership and
- 9:41Speaker 2: the one saving grace for Sawhith. And the reason why
- 9:43Speaker 2: I wanted to bring this up is this event history
- 9:45Speaker 2: is a lot better on this golf course than a
- 9:48Speaker 2: lot of the other players around him. He had the
- 9:50Speaker 2: T twelve last year, did a top five finish in
- 9:53Speaker 2: the second ever start around of Mierfield Village. So if
- 9:55Speaker 2: you're looking for any semblance of hope, it's pretty clear
- 9:58Speaker 2: that it is going to be that course. History just
- 10:01Speaker 2: maybe something to consider with Asahith. I don't think he's
- 10:04Speaker 2: my favorite play. The form is just really Sketchy as
- 10:06Speaker 2: we were going through, but the Oricoud factor is there
- 10:09Speaker 2: for sure as well.
- 10:10Speaker 1: Talk about Scotty.
- 10:11Speaker 2: So we've got Scotty's ownership towards the top at thirty
- 10:13Speaker 2: eight point one percent, and as you can see, compared
- 10:16Speaker 2: to the rest of the nine to ten k players,
- 10:18Speaker 2: that is distinctly higher owned than what you have at
- 10:20Speaker 2: the rest of the board. So you know your next
- 10:22Speaker 2: highestones player is at more Kabba at nineteen percent a
- 10:25Speaker 2: fleet when I've got at about eighteen and a half
- 10:27Speaker 2: percent ownership, which is high compared to some of the
- 10:29Speaker 2: other players around them, but nowhere close to a Scotty.
- 10:33Speaker 2: So I knew we'd have to talk about them at
- 10:35Speaker 2: some point, especially when it comes to the game theory.
- 10:38Speaker 2: Playing Scotty Shuffler does give you a thirty eight percent
- 10:41Speaker 2: of player.
- 10:42Speaker 1: That is true. I just want to state that fact
- 10:45Speaker 1: right off the bat. Off the bat.
- 10:46Speaker 2: But when you play a Scotty Shuffler into a lineup
- 10:49Speaker 2: and let me actually just click over to DraftKings of
- 10:51Speaker 2: my tab and get the exact number for you, it
- 10:54Speaker 2: forces you down to seventy three forty remaining for your
- 10:57Speaker 2: last five players. With that a Scotty shuffler, You're at
- 11:00Speaker 2: eight three hundred and thirty three dollars for your six players.
- 11:04Speaker 1: One player alone.
- 11:05Speaker 2: Makes you, on average, have to go a whole thousand
- 11:08Speaker 2: dollars cheaper when it comes to your salary. When you
- 11:11Speaker 2: play a Scotti shuffler and you're using them at forty percent,
- 11:13Speaker 2: it looks ugly on that one play. But as I've mentioned,
- 11:17Speaker 2: and it's actually been the last couple of weeks I've
- 11:19Speaker 2: mentioned with Scotty and as a reason to maybe make
- 11:21Speaker 2: them a better play, is that even if you use
- 11:24Speaker 2: them low, it forces you onto the six K range.
- 11:26Speaker 2: It forces you on to the bottom end of the
- 11:28Speaker 2: seven K range, where instead of a lowaned player being
- 11:31Speaker 2: like an Obe at ten point six percent, a lowaned
- 11:33Speaker 2: guy in the eight K range being a Sun JM
- 11:35Speaker 2: at about eight point three percent, right like, even the
- 11:37Speaker 2: lowand guys up top are still like eight to ten
- 11:39Speaker 2: percent owns. Your loaned guys down low like in the
- 11:42Speaker 2: seven K range might be a Davis Thompson at five
- 11:45Speaker 2: point seven percent, might be a Cameron Davis who's only
- 11:48Speaker 2: two point three percent down towards the bottom end of
- 11:50Speaker 2: the six k range. We're going to talk about Davis
- 11:53Speaker 2: that is Thompson and Cameron Davis towards the end of
- 11:56Speaker 2: this live stream together. But the idea is is, if
- 11:58Speaker 2: you're going to make your pivots, it's easiest to do
- 12:01Speaker 2: it towards the bottom, and if you play a Scottish Shuffler,
- 12:03Speaker 2: it forces you onto a lot of those sort of guys.
- 12:06Speaker 2: So I'll just be fully transparent and said that I
- 12:08Speaker 2: am playing Scottish Shuffler this week, but he's going to
- 12:10Speaker 2: be in about half of my lineups, which is not
- 12:12Speaker 2: really going to be any sort of leverage to the field.
- 12:14Speaker 2: But I'm going to have half my portfolio where I'm
- 12:16Speaker 2: playing Scotty and I'm getting different elsewhere, and then half
- 12:19Speaker 2: my portfolio the other fifty percent where I'm playing more
- 12:22Speaker 2: traditional lineups, where the salary is going to be a
- 12:25Speaker 2: lot more balanced, and I'm going to have to be
- 12:27Speaker 2: careful about some of that chalk in the seven and
- 12:28Speaker 2: eight K range that I'm mixing in with that sort
- 12:31Speaker 2: of a lineup, because if I went Scotty as my
- 12:33Speaker 2: first man in and then maybe did play, I topped
- 12:35Speaker 2: into the seven K range guy that's getting a little
- 12:38Speaker 2: bit of ownership. So, for example, just off the top
- 12:40Speaker 2: of Minds and Aaron Raie is one of the more
- 12:42Speaker 2: popular seven K range guys that we have on the slate.
- 12:45Speaker 2: Like this, Like, I'm okay with doing that with the
- 12:47Speaker 2: Scottish Shuffler because I know the other four spots in
- 12:50Speaker 2: that lineup are gonna have an average salary of seven
- 12:53Speaker 2: thousand dollars or less, And as long as I'm not
- 12:56Speaker 2: taking the chalk the chalk towards the bottom end of
- 12:58Speaker 2: the seven K range, I'm going to be totally fine
- 13:00Speaker 2: when it comes to that ownership. So I just think
- 13:02Speaker 2: it has a drastic impact on where you're allocating your salary,
- 13:06Speaker 2: and it's almost a good change. Like I hate to
- 13:08Speaker 2: say that spending all the extra salary can be a
- 13:10Speaker 2: good thing, but it is. With your line of construction.
- 13:13Speaker 2: It forces you on to a much more uncomfortable build.
- 13:17Speaker 2: That's not to say that you're not giving up something
- 13:18Speaker 2: for that, because you certainly are. By taking a thirteen
- 13:21Speaker 2: thousand dollars player, you're losing out a lot of that
- 13:23Speaker 2: top five, top ten equity that you're getting for these
- 13:26Speaker 2: eight and nine K guys. So it's not like you're
- 13:28Speaker 2: giving it up for nothing, but you've got to ask yourself.
- 13:31Speaker 2: Are there enough players in the six seven K range
- 13:33Speaker 2: that you could see finishing in that top fifteen, top
- 13:36Speaker 2: twenty to warrant getting to a Scotty Shuffler, And honestly,
- 13:39Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that question. I'm pretty
- 13:42Speaker 2: fifty to fifty on that. Hence why I'm going fifty
- 13:45Speaker 2: to fifty on my Scotty Age Shuffler exposure. So it's
- 13:48Speaker 2: something that you have more of, like the ability to do.
- 13:50Speaker 2: If you're playing one hundred and fifty lineups, if you're
- 13:52Speaker 2: only entering a handful of them, then you should probably
- 13:55Speaker 2: commit to either playing Scottie Shuffler or not. But if
- 13:58Speaker 2: you're over the twenty lineup basin, let's say like forty
- 14:00Speaker 2: to fifty lineups and above, you can start considering going
- 14:03Speaker 2: with a fifty to fifty approach on a Scotty Shuffler.
- 14:06Speaker 2: I don't think that you have to lock the most
- 14:08Speaker 2: popular player on the slate every single time. I'm a
- 14:10Speaker 2: huge proponent for taking that kind of stand and Mike
- 14:13Speaker 2: guy Tambo I know that he's been a proponent of
- 14:15Speaker 2: building in sets, being able to whether it's focusing on
- 14:19Speaker 2: specific skill sets, whether advantages that would be a way
- 14:22Speaker 2: to build in sets or you know, to use Scottie
- 14:24Speaker 2: Shuffler lineups or not as your sets. That's something that
- 14:28Speaker 2: you could use as well for that kind of process.
- 14:30Speaker 2: So Scotty up top definitely a talking piece. I think
- 14:34Speaker 2: it kind of depends on your portfolio, what you're doing
- 14:37Speaker 2: with it, the kind of take that you should have.
- 14:39Speaker 2: I will say though, that a full fate of Scottish
- 14:41Speaker 2: Shuffler isn't the craziest thing because he's thirteen thousand dollars
- 14:46Speaker 2: and he's got to finish top three to pay off
- 14:48Speaker 2: that kind of price tag. So that's why I'm going
- 14:50Speaker 2: with that kind of approach as well. But if you're
- 14:52Speaker 2: really confident in that top five finish, you think he's
- 14:55Speaker 2: gonna win this golf tournament, but maybe you don't want
- 14:57Speaker 2: to bet him out right at like plus two eighty
- 14:59Speaker 2: whatever the number is on a lot of sportsbooks now,
- 15:02Speaker 2: then maybe just lock them in your DFS lineups and
- 15:04Speaker 2: you use that as your way to get that leverage.
- 15:06Speaker 2: There are I think a lot of different ways that
- 15:08Speaker 2: you could approach the Scottish Shuffler situation.
- 15:11Speaker 1: Up top, And you guys know my thoughts.
- 15:13Speaker 2: Obviously, after giving you that there outside of Scotty though
- 15:16Speaker 2: we mentioned the more kW of Fleetwood getting some ownership,
- 15:19Speaker 2: but there are some lower owned guys that you can
- 15:21Speaker 2: consider towards the top. So and Obert kind of looks
- 15:23Speaker 2: like he's getting overlooked. I've got him in only about
- 15:25Speaker 2: ten and a half percent ownership. We mentioned sun Jay
- 15:28Speaker 2: at about eight percent before. But a Russell Henley I
- 15:31Speaker 2: haven't heard talked up very much, and I know the
- 15:33Speaker 2: forum's fallen off a bit after his win, but you know,
- 15:36Speaker 2: kind of like a Lowry accept Stracup. He is that positional,
- 15:39Speaker 2: really good iron player that usually plays well around this
- 15:42Speaker 2: golf course. So if looking for a good course fit
- 15:45Speaker 2: but maybe not the best form, you'd be getting that
- 15:47Speaker 2: with Russ at eighty four hundred dollars, and he's like
- 15:50Speaker 2: five six percent lower owned than a lot of the
- 15:52Speaker 2: other guys around him. So I don't think that makes
- 15:55Speaker 2: guys like a Lowry, a Burger, a Sibu kim Straka,
- 15:58Speaker 2: all of these guys unplayedvailable in GPPs. It's just that
- 16:02Speaker 2: if you're using a more chalk guy like a more
- 16:04Speaker 2: Kabba as your first man in, maybe you're going with
- 16:07Speaker 2: like Corey Connors as your second man in and then
- 16:10Speaker 2: your third man in is like a Straka or you know,
- 16:12Speaker 2: a Burger or a Lowry. In this eight k range,
- 16:15Speaker 2: you can start to see real quickly where starting off
- 16:18Speaker 2: with that core of three players is going to put
- 16:21Speaker 2: you in a much chalkier situation with what you do
- 16:23Speaker 2: with the Scottie shuffler.
- 16:24Speaker 1: And you know you don't have to start with all
- 16:26Speaker 1: the chalk up top. Maybe it's like a.
- 16:29Speaker 2: Can't lay than an obar, and then maybe down here
- 16:32Speaker 2: you go with like a Jordan's speef rather than going
- 16:35Speaker 2: with the more popular.
- 16:36Speaker 1: Option like a Lowry or a Burger. If you get
- 16:38Speaker 1: a little bit less popular in those lineups, you can
- 16:40Speaker 1: find some leverage towards the top. But unless you do so,
- 16:43Speaker 1: and if you are taking these guys that are like
- 16:45Speaker 1: twenty percent owns, you're gonna have just as much ownership,
- 16:48Speaker 1: if not more, combined ownership with that product ownership. I'd
- 16:51Speaker 1: actually venture to say most likely more product ownership. Even
- 16:54Speaker 1: if you take the more conservative leveraged approach towards the top,
- 16:59Speaker 1: Even if you went with like fourteen twelve percenter then
- 17:02Speaker 1: ten percenter as your third man in, that product ownership
- 17:05Speaker 1: is probably going to be more than this thirty eight
- 17:07Speaker 1: percent times two to five percenters, because that is the
- 17:10Speaker 1: power of having five percenters in your lineups. That product
- 17:13Speaker 1: ownership is massive for getting different towards the rest of
- 17:16Speaker 1: the field. So that's why I would say, if you're
- 17:18Speaker 1: gonna make a lot of those pivots, it's not even
- 17:20Speaker 1: like the smartest place to do it towards the top,
- 17:23Speaker 1: because even if you do, you're not getting yourself that
- 17:26Speaker 1: much different compared to the guys down low. So what
- 17:28Speaker 1: that means is that when you're going through your player
- 17:31Speaker 1: pole and trying to choose ownership, trying to play that
- 17:33Speaker 1: game theory edge, the further down the board you go,
- 17:36Speaker 1: so seven K range you start to take ownership a
- 17:38Speaker 1: little bit more seriously. Bottom into the seven K range
- 17:40Speaker 1: you really start to take ownership seriously with some of
- 17:43Speaker 1: the guys that you're playing. But like the six k
- 17:45Speaker 1: range is where you should use that on steroids.
- 17:47Speaker 2: Really, any six K range players that are getting ownership
- 17:49Speaker 2: for mainsleet this week, you can almost argue just based
- 17:52Speaker 2: on that alone, that they are an automatic faith And
- 17:55Speaker 2: in fact, if you guys take a look at my
- 17:56Speaker 2: player pool, this is blacked out we're gonna talk through
- 17:58Speaker 2: a few players together. The guys that we talk up
- 18:01Speaker 2: here in the live stream are going to be like
- 18:02Speaker 2: two three percenters. I'm not going to be using a
- 18:04Speaker 2: whole lot of the six to eight to ten percent
- 18:07Speaker 2: of the players that you have here in the six
- 18:08Speaker 2: kate range because they're scrubs.
- 18:10Speaker 1: The ownership differences are much larger at this portion of
- 18:13Speaker 1: the board, right.
- 18:14Speaker 2: Because it's like ten percent compared to two percent, which
- 18:17Speaker 2: is nearly a five x difference in terms of ownership.
- 18:19Speaker 2: There up top a five x difference in ownership. Let's
- 18:23Speaker 2: take the lowest stones guy, sun GM. That would be
- 18:25Speaker 2: the difference between Sun GM and Scotti Shuffler. That's as
- 18:28Speaker 2: extreme as it gets. And there's really only one player
- 18:31Speaker 2: that you could do that with, because I mean, if
- 18:32Speaker 2: you went Sunday to the second highestoned player, that's half
- 18:35Speaker 2: the ownership. It's eight and a half percent compared to
- 18:37Speaker 2: the nineteen percent, so a little bit, you know, over
- 18:39Speaker 2: half of what do you.
- 18:40Speaker 1: Have there down low?
- 18:42Speaker 2: You've got all these ones that are four or five
- 18:44Speaker 2: x differences when it comes to that projected ownership. So
- 18:47Speaker 2: the spot to get different, in my opinion, on a
- 18:48Speaker 2: site like this, especially when it's not a no cut event,
- 18:51Speaker 2: but it's pretty close to a no cut event with
- 18:53Speaker 2: it being the top fiftye of than anyone within ten
- 18:55Speaker 2: shots is to really make your stands down towards the
- 18:59Speaker 2: field low. So we'll talk to some of those players
- 19:02Speaker 2: together and the implications of it, but that is the
- 19:04Speaker 2: ownership component for the sleep.
- 19:09Speaker 1: Let's see thoughts on Xander.
- 19:11Speaker 2: So what was the other player deep dive that we
- 19:13Speaker 2: had from before Sanders About fourteen percent owned to my projection,
- 19:17Speaker 2: So you know, he is kind of getting overlooked, he'd say,
- 19:19Speaker 2: for one of these ten k range players, And he's
- 19:21Speaker 2: played decently at this course over the years, but he
- 19:23Speaker 2: hasn't had.
- 19:24Speaker 1: A great track record.
- 19:26Speaker 2: The forum is better on a lot of the other
- 19:27Speaker 2: guys around them, and you can see he hasn't cracked
- 19:29Speaker 2: the top ten outside of his T eight last year,
- 19:32Speaker 2: so that's kind of weird for Xander. I mean, he
- 19:34Speaker 2: has a very consistent course history. I mean he's top
- 19:37Speaker 2: twenty five in every single year, so I guess our
- 19:40Speaker 2: expectations of him are just a little bit higher being
- 19:42Speaker 2: somebody that's in the top five of the pricing. But
- 19:44Speaker 2: I would say that he's a decent leverage play, especially
- 19:47Speaker 2: if you're looking to get off of that Scottie shuffler.
- 19:49Speaker 2: But I will say this, nine hundred dollars for Xander
- 19:52Speaker 2: Schoffley is way more expensive than he should be. I mean,
- 19:55Speaker 2: he hasn't played that well since returning from injury. Is
- 19:57Speaker 2: off that the accuracy has been a huge liability over
- 20:01Speaker 2: the last few months, So I'm kind of like it
- 20:03Speaker 2: raises the eyebrow a bit when he's nearly eleven thousand dollars,
- 20:06Speaker 2: But other than that, I think he's a decent play.
- 20:10Speaker 1: Chris, what's going on? He said, appreciate all I do.
- 20:11Speaker 1: Let's have a week aim in to that.
- 20:13Speaker 2: In my opinion, which round is more attractive for props
- 20:16Speaker 2: in parlays? So if you mean, like which round I've
- 20:20Speaker 2: had the most success with, it'd be round number one
- 20:22Speaker 2: because you can usually find a pretty big course edge
- 20:25Speaker 2: conditioned conditions edge before play ends up happening, But after
- 20:29Speaker 2: play has happened and they have a sample size to
- 20:31Speaker 2: work with, they're usually a little bit quicker to adjust.
- 20:34Speaker 1: So I'm I'm a fan of round one, but round four.
- 20:37Speaker 2: Two I like for props because you can fade guys
- 20:39Speaker 2: that are in contention and kind of get that narrative,
- 20:42Speaker 2: that mental aspect to one against them.
- 20:44Speaker 1: I like that quite a bit.
- 20:46Speaker 2: One direction sick band. Oh god, yeah, I don't know
- 20:50Speaker 2: if I share that opinion. Frankly, isn't that like a
- 20:54Speaker 2: like a middle school girls band or something?
- 20:56Speaker 1: But who knows.
- 20:57Speaker 2: Hey, everyone can like it what they like. Thoughts on
- 20:59Speaker 2: call Morekawa love him this week. So Collins one of
- 21:02Speaker 2: my top plays first out right that I got to
- 21:05Speaker 2: at fifteen to one. He's a great course fit, so
- 21:08Speaker 2: that's why I like him, But he is coming with
- 21:10Speaker 2: a lot of ownership. So I've got to say, if
- 21:12Speaker 2: you weren't somebody that bet called Morikawa this week, he
- 21:14Speaker 2: wasn't one of your first plays that you had on
- 21:17Speaker 2: a Monday, you probably shouldn't be using him. And I
- 21:19Speaker 2: always like to say that when I go through some
- 21:21Speaker 2: of my plays here in a live stream, because just
- 21:23Speaker 2: because I like somebody does not mean that they're the
- 21:25Speaker 2: best play on paper. Because the fact of the matter
- 21:27Speaker 2: is he's the second highest Stones player on the slate.
- 21:30Speaker 2: That is a massive red flag. So unless on a
- 21:33Speaker 2: Monday you were like, yeah, this is a Mori Kaba course, Yeah,
- 21:36Speaker 2: I like the course history, because course history is elite
- 21:39Speaker 2: for Morikawa. He did have that one withdrawal two years ago.
- 21:42Speaker 2: By the way, that withdrawal happened when he was in
- 21:44Speaker 2: the last group of the events. He was nearly going
- 21:46Speaker 2: to win that year. I then had to withdraw, So
- 21:49Speaker 2: he's done second near win. I'm going to give him
- 21:51Speaker 2: a lot of credit for that withdraw He played a
- 21:53Speaker 2: lot better than most people realize. Did miss the cut
- 21:56Speaker 2: the year before that, but then another second place finished.
- 21:59Speaker 2: So let's just give him in a top three finish
- 22:01Speaker 2: with that withdrawal, because that's he was easily on pace
- 22:04Speaker 2: to do that, if not even improve on that for
- 22:06Speaker 2: his final round. Let's give him three top five finishes
- 22:09Speaker 2: over his last four starts. That's elite level stuff.
- 22:13Speaker 1: So I like calling for that reason. I love the
- 22:15Speaker 1: course fit as well, but the massive butt here.
- 22:18Speaker 2: Unless you share that same kind of sentiment, you probably
- 22:21Speaker 2: you'd be better off going to a JT or a Xander,
- 22:23Speaker 2: going down to.
- 22:24Speaker 1: Even a Can't Lay.
- 22:25Speaker 2: I've got it slightly lower ownership because the projections on
- 22:28Speaker 2: these guys, I know I have a lot of them
- 22:30Speaker 2: blacked out. I do have to keep those behind the
- 22:32Speaker 2: paywall for my members. But I'll will tell you that
- 22:36Speaker 2: the projection difference between like these four players here, I
- 22:39Speaker 2: think is like five points from like the highest to
- 22:41Speaker 2: the lowest player.
- 22:42Speaker 1: So that matters.
- 22:43Speaker 2: If you're playing cash, you're playing something where you have
- 22:45Speaker 2: to optimize that project projection. But for GPPs, we're not
- 22:49Speaker 2: really worrying that much about projection, like it's part of
- 22:51Speaker 2: the process, but it's not all the process. That's why
- 22:55Speaker 2: unless you love a Colin more Caba, the guys that
- 22:57Speaker 2: can't lay j ten Zander might even be a better play.
- 23:00Speaker 2: So I will at least say that you're adicted to
- 23:02Speaker 2: ben In.
- 23:03Speaker 1: He's let you down. Is there any hope he can
- 23:05Speaker 1: turn it around?
- 23:05Speaker 2: So I'm not addicted to Benny Inn. I'm adicted to
- 23:08Speaker 2: Jordan Sweeth, that's for sure. I play him every time
- 23:10Speaker 2: he plays, But I would say he could turn it around.
- 23:13Speaker 2: He plays well, long, hard golf courses. He does have
- 23:17Speaker 2: to find a way to hit fairways, though this isn't
- 23:19Speaker 2: the kind of golf course that you can shoot under
- 23:21Speaker 2: par if you're only hitting like five or six fairways.
- 23:23Speaker 2: So we'll see how what he does off the tee.
- 23:25Speaker 2: I'm playing, I'm ryan, I'm using him as one of
- 23:27Speaker 2: my low owned guys towards the bottom. I don't think
- 23:30Speaker 2: he's one of the players that we're gonna highlight and
- 23:31Speaker 2: talk through fully here. But I like myself some Benny
- 23:34Speaker 2: ann so I think he's got a chance to turn
- 23:36Speaker 2: it around. But he does have a lot of miscut equity,
- 23:40Speaker 2: and I'm okay with that personally. So if you're gonna
- 23:42Speaker 2: play him, just know that, and you have to be
- 23:44Speaker 2: okay with it. If you're gonna play a Benny In.
- 23:46Speaker 2: If he has a bad week, he's not gonna play
- 23:49Speaker 2: on Saturday and Sunday. But if he does have a
- 23:52Speaker 2: good week, then you might have to have him because
- 23:53Speaker 2: he's so cheap. Victor Hobblin breakdown. Tough time getting a
- 23:56Speaker 2: read on him, Oh boy man, he is so hard
- 23:58Speaker 2: to get a read on. In fact, the only time
- 24:00Speaker 2: I've even had to read on Hobland over the last
- 24:03Speaker 2: year was when he won the vast Bar Championship. And
- 24:05Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys saw my tweet on that.
- 24:08Speaker 2: I'll retweet it at some point because it's just like
- 24:10Speaker 2: an epic call out that I had. I said, you
- 24:12Speaker 2: put Victor hoblind In a weaker field event, and he's
- 24:14Speaker 2: going to win. He's going to outshine because all he
- 24:17Speaker 2: does is play these top level events. In these top
- 24:20Speaker 2: level events, I kind of a hard time wanting to
- 24:23Speaker 2: play Victor Hobblins because he's eighty nine hundred. He's priced
- 24:27Speaker 2: up for the occasion. It's not like he's priced down
- 24:30Speaker 2: after having a few bad weeks, and you can see
- 24:32Speaker 2: the ownership still there at about fifteen percent. So the
- 24:35Speaker 2: breakdown on him stat wise is go to the last
- 24:37Speaker 2: twenty four measured rounds. I mean, it's okay with the
- 24:40Speaker 2: ball striking, he's gaining close to a struck per round
- 24:42Speaker 2: with the irons, but the short game has been extremely inconsistent.
- 24:46Speaker 2: In fact, if you take a look at the putter
- 24:48Speaker 2: over the last twelve rounds, I'm assuming it's going to
- 24:50Speaker 2: be super negative. So yeah, it does dip into the
- 24:52Speaker 2: negative point one four shots. I mean, he had the
- 24:56Speaker 2: one good bent grass putting leak earlier this year, so
- 24:59Speaker 2: maybe he can kind of le into that. But he's
- 25:01Speaker 2: a tough one for me too. Man. I don't have
- 25:03Speaker 2: the biggest take on him for this kind of week.
- 25:05Speaker 2: I will say, though, the next time we get Victor
- 25:06Speaker 2: hoblind in a weaker field event, I'm betting him out
- 25:09Speaker 2: right because he's gonna win that week. Let's say that
- 25:11Speaker 2: he plays like the Windham Championship. I'm not even saying
- 25:14Speaker 2: like a small field like scrubs are only playing it
- 25:17Speaker 2: kind of thing. I'm talking just like your regular PGA
- 25:19Speaker 2: tor event. He's gonna win that week. So Tommy lad
- 25:25Speaker 2: so kind of like more Cava. He's your third highestoned
- 25:28Speaker 2: player we have on the entire slate. So unless you
- 25:31Speaker 2: love the course fit the fourmoth Tommy Fleetwood, you probably
- 25:35Speaker 2: don't want to use him at that sort of an ownership.
- 25:37Speaker 2: And I'm gonna have to keep my personal take on
- 25:39Speaker 2: whether I'm playing him or not behind the payball on
- 25:41Speaker 2: this one personally. But he is really good recent form.
- 25:45Speaker 2: You did have that top finished last week on the
- 25:47Speaker 2: same type of greens. There is there's enough reasoning for
- 25:50Speaker 2: playing a Tommy Fleetwood where I had to think long
- 25:54Speaker 2: and hard about whether to play him or not, even
- 25:56Speaker 2: at that eighteen and a half percent, So I think
- 25:58Speaker 2: there's a lot of positives behind that play. The issue
- 26:01Speaker 2: with the Fleetwood at ninety four hundred dollars, you don't
- 26:04Speaker 2: have to win to payoff a ninety four hundred dollars
- 26:06Speaker 2: price tag, but it'd be nice to win if you're
- 26:08Speaker 2: playing somebody at over nine grand. This top two, top
- 26:11Speaker 2: three finish is really like the floor of what you're
- 26:14Speaker 2: looking for at these sort of guys. Maybe a top
- 26:16Speaker 2: five finish you get away with depending on how the
- 26:19Speaker 2: other nine k guys get away with it. I've got
- 26:21Speaker 2: to say, like Fleetwood's lack of inequity, I mean, let's
- 26:23Speaker 2: just give him zero percent win equity, and I hate
- 26:25Speaker 2: to be that guy, but until I see him win
- 26:28Speaker 2: an event, he's not going to win an event. I'm
- 26:29Speaker 2: just going to say that, like a zero percent win
- 26:31Speaker 2: equity until he goes out there and gets it done.
- 26:33Speaker 2: If you're okay taking a zero percent in equity guy
- 26:36Speaker 2: in the nine k range, then then by all means.
- 26:38Speaker 2: But I think that's a pretty big issue in my opinion.
- 26:41Speaker 2: One to ten on Bobby Mac and Burns. So Bobby
- 26:43Speaker 2: Mack six and a half out of ten. I like
- 26:45Speaker 2: the fact that he's a good driver of the golf
- 26:47Speaker 2: ball and all his wins and solid starts have usually
- 26:50Speaker 2: come at hard courses, So I like that for Bobby.
- 26:53Speaker 2: But you know, the forums just average, so That's why
- 26:56Speaker 2: I put him out like a six and a half
- 26:57Speaker 2: out of ten sam Burns four out of ten. Sam
- 26:59Speaker 2: Burns does not really fit the style of golf course well,
- 27:02Speaker 2: he does not really grind it out like you see
- 27:04Speaker 2: with a lot of the other guys in this range.
- 27:06Speaker 2: But Sam Burns is playing really good golf. He's top
- 27:09Speaker 2: ten in recent form raking. And I'll say it, I'm
- 27:13Speaker 2: playing him even though I don't have the greatest stand
- 27:15Speaker 2: out of Sam Burns, because what we can't see that's
- 27:18Speaker 2: blacked out over here is that he's got real low
- 27:20Speaker 2: ownership compared to some of the guys around him. For example,
- 27:23Speaker 2: a Ben Griffin is significantly higher roamed than the Sam Burns.
- 27:26Speaker 2: I know, Griffin just had the win. He's coming in
- 27:28Speaker 2: with great form himself. In fact, he's top five in
- 27:31Speaker 2: the field when it comes to recent form ranking. But yeah,
- 27:34Speaker 2: give me the lower round to Sam Burns compared to
- 27:36Speaker 2: it Ben Griffin. So yeah, I'm gonna play some four
- 27:39Speaker 2: out of tens, even some three and a half at
- 27:40Speaker 2: of tens in my player pool from any given week
- 27:44Speaker 2: if the ownership is right. And the one thing I'll
- 27:46Speaker 2: say about Burns y is I'm not using him any
- 27:48Speaker 2: single entries, any cash lineups, I think you'd be a
- 27:51Speaker 2: complete idiot if you played him in cash this week.
- 27:54Speaker 2: But in GPPs, where that top five, top ten equity
- 27:57Speaker 2: is what you need from these guys, it's all about
- 27:59Speaker 2: having the absolute night if you want to win the
- 28:01Speaker 2: big five or twenty five dollars GPP. Sam Burns is
- 28:03Speaker 2: great for those formats because when he plays well, he
- 28:06Speaker 2: top tens.
- 28:06Speaker 1: That's kind of his thing.
- 28:07Speaker 2: When he doesn't play well, either missus cuts or he
- 28:10Speaker 2: finishes like T forty to fifty. So I'm okay with
- 28:13Speaker 2: that in large field GPPs. But if you're in like
- 28:15Speaker 2: a cash lineup or one of your big single entries,
- 28:17Speaker 2: like I said, it'd be kind of silly to use
- 28:19Speaker 2: the Sam Burns because his floor is non existent.
- 28:22Speaker 1: He does not have a floor. His floor is dead last,
- 28:26Speaker 1: kind of like a Nick Dunlop. And he shot in
- 28:27Speaker 1: getting some Sea Bez at the same price. Let's look
- 28:30Speaker 1: at it.
- 28:30Speaker 2: So sea Bez is what is he super cheap? Sixty
- 28:33Speaker 2: nine hundred dollars. So let's take a look at the
- 28:36Speaker 2: shots gain metric, So sixty nine hundred bucks Sea Bez
- 28:39Speaker 2: losing off the tee but is gaining on approach and
- 28:41Speaker 2: around the green. Last twelve rounds, though, are a lot
- 28:44Speaker 2: more favorable for him. So I guess the reasoning for
- 28:47Speaker 2: playing sea Bez would be what we've seen over the
- 28:49Speaker 2: last few events is getting point eight five shots gained
- 28:52Speaker 2: approach per rounds, which you can see compared to the
- 28:54Speaker 2: guys around him, it's by far the best iron form
- 28:56Speaker 2: that you can find. The one thing I will say
- 28:59Speaker 2: that you're getting THEE is not super high ownership at
- 29:02Speaker 2: sixty nine hundred dollars, but you're getting over seven percent.
- 29:05Speaker 2: He is one of the higher rowned guys that you
- 29:07Speaker 2: have at the top end of the six k range.
- 29:09Speaker 2: So if you're gonna use them, is gonna save you
- 29:12Speaker 2: a lot of salary, and you know it's Scotty Seffler Lamps.
- 29:14Speaker 2: I still think you could use a se Bez in
- 29:16Speaker 2: that sort of a build. He's just not going to
- 29:18Speaker 2: be one of the three or four players that you're
- 29:19Speaker 2: using to get that differentiation because comparatively, he's actually higher
- 29:23Speaker 2: roamed than a lot of the other guys around him.
- 29:25Speaker 2: So Davis Thompson a player that I'll be using for
- 29:28Speaker 2: a little bit more leverage. But I got to say
- 29:31Speaker 2: se Bez projects better, you take a look at my projections. Really,
- 29:34Speaker 2: I would assume a lot of the projections around the
- 29:36Speaker 2: industry are going to favor a se Bez over Davis Thompson.
- 29:40Speaker 2: There's a risk, and there's always pros and cons involved
- 29:42Speaker 2: with getting to some of these pivots, and yeah, projections,
- 29:45Speaker 2: the one with Davis Thompson, right, you're not getting as
- 29:47Speaker 2: good of a projection play as a se Bez. But
- 29:50Speaker 2: Davis Thompson is a tour winner. He's a guy that
- 29:53Speaker 2: I could see top five and top ten at this
- 29:55Speaker 2: sort of event, especially one that is so off the
- 29:57Speaker 2: tea heavy Brian Campbell one to ten ooh.
- 30:02Speaker 1: Four out of ten actually three and a half out
- 30:04Speaker 1: of ten sites.
- 30:05Speaker 2: And I don't want to say that that's like condemning him,
- 30:07Speaker 2: saying that he's gonna have a terrible week, But experience
- 30:10Speaker 2: matters at Memorial first timers in general, I'm kind of
- 30:13Speaker 2: skittish about here, unless you're Obert is a superhuman.
- 30:16Speaker 1: He could still have a top finish his first time
- 30:18Speaker 1: around it. I worry about that, and then I worry
- 30:20Speaker 1: about the fact that it's a little softer this year,
- 30:23Speaker 1: and that it's gonna be so cold Thursday and Friday morning,
- 30:26Speaker 1: when I don't know when he has his morning tea time,
- 30:28Speaker 1: whether that's tomorrow or on Friday, but it could be
- 30:30Speaker 1: a tough scene when it's like forty eight fifty degrees
- 30:33Speaker 1: and you're gonna get no rollouts. If he can get
- 30:36Speaker 1: through that front nine even par, then yeah, I think
- 30:38Speaker 1: he's got a really good chance this week. But I
- 30:41Speaker 1: mean that front nine when he's playing in those kinds
- 30:43Speaker 1: of weather, I mean it could be plus five plus
- 30:45Speaker 1: six real quick. And that's the thing, guys.
- 30:47Speaker 2: Those early tea times over the next few days are
- 30:50Speaker 2: where guys are going to blow up. So if you're
- 30:52Speaker 2: gonna be tracking and hoping, kind of crossing your fingers
- 30:54Speaker 2: and hoping that doesn't happen, it's gonna be the morning wave,
- 30:56Speaker 2: believe it or not, where you can see some big scores.
- 30:59Speaker 2: I think it'll play here in general in the morning.
- 31:01Speaker 2: But the issue is is if you're offline, off the
- 31:04Speaker 2: tee and the ball is not going very far and
- 31:07Speaker 2: the rough is going to be wet as hell, it's
- 31:09Speaker 2: gonna be damp, super lush, good luck, it is going
- 31:12Speaker 2: to be bogie central. If you don't have your best stuff.
- 31:14Speaker 2: Thoughts on Shane so high owned, but kind of get
- 31:18Speaker 2: it with Shane Lowry. He plays well these grinded out
- 31:20Speaker 2: golf courses. Also, of course, that driving accuracy is rewarded for,
- 31:24Speaker 2: and he's a top twenty five driving accuracy player, so
- 31:27Speaker 2: I would say I get why he's getting that steam.
- 31:29Speaker 2: He's also a player that projects well compared to a
- 31:32Speaker 2: lot of the other guys around him. Now he doesn't
- 31:34Speaker 2: project as well for me as a sept straka, but
- 31:36Speaker 2: he's in the top three to top four guys up
- 31:39Speaker 2: top when it comes to projection, So I think he's
- 31:41Speaker 2: a decent play.
- 31:42Speaker 1: But you've got ownership behind it.
- 31:43Speaker 2: You're struggling between Hoblins and Sea Wou for one and
- 31:46Speaker 2: done would I would weather break the tire or not?
- 31:49Speaker 2: So I don't see a massive weather edge ron, so
- 31:51Speaker 2: I wouldn't let that kind of determine it. I would
- 31:55Speaker 2: Here's I'll lay it out for you, Ran, because I
- 31:57Speaker 2: kind of think it's pretty simple with those two. For me,
- 32:00Speaker 2: if you really want to go for broke, you go
- 32:02Speaker 2: with Victor Hobland because when he plays well, he top fives.
- 32:05Speaker 2: But that does not happen very often at least based
- 32:08Speaker 2: on what's happened recently. However, Seawoo Kim, if you want
- 32:11Speaker 2: the safer option, you're kind of okay with punting this week.
- 32:14Speaker 2: Let's say you're in a better spot than you're one
- 32:16Speaker 2: and done. Let's say you're already in like the top
- 32:18Speaker 2: five percent, then Seawi Kim's probably the smarter play just
- 32:21Speaker 2: because he's got a higher floor than Victor Hoblin. I
- 32:24Speaker 2: would say it kind of depends on your situation, because
- 32:26Speaker 2: if you're way behind man, let's say that you're in
- 32:29Speaker 2: like the bottom ten, bottom twenty five percent of your
- 32:31Speaker 2: one and done and you've got to get wins to
- 32:33Speaker 2: move up the board. Victor Hobland has like five times
- 32:37Speaker 2: the inequity of seawukm In. I know the odds would
- 32:40Speaker 2: reflect otherwise, but I think in this sort of golf
- 32:43Speaker 2: courses sort of event, it's true, like Victor Hobland has
- 32:46Speaker 2: shown us that he can take down these big time
- 32:47Speaker 2: golf courses, seaw Kim hasn't done it since the Players Championship.
- 32:51Speaker 2: So and not to say that I'm not a big
- 32:52Speaker 2: Seawu guy, I am, but like Hoblin's clearly the better
- 32:56Speaker 2: play right now, it's thoughts on Nick Taylor, and you're
- 33:01Speaker 2: saying as a GPP sleeper, so let's start with that.
- 33:04Speaker 2: When I saw the second question about Oxha as well,
- 33:07Speaker 2: So as a GPP sleeper, you got the ownership component right,
- 33:10Speaker 2: that's for sure. At sixty five hundred dollars, he's likely
- 33:13Speaker 2: going to be sub three percent owned in most contests.
- 33:16Speaker 1: However, the course fit angle is like a five out
- 33:19Speaker 1: of ten for me.
- 33:20Speaker 2: He's not one of the first guys that I was
- 33:21Speaker 2: gravitating towards the bottom end of the board. However, they're
- 33:25Speaker 2: going to be getting a lot lower ownership because the
- 33:27Speaker 2: form is fallen off towards the beginning of this year.
- 33:29Speaker 2: I mean he had a lot of top finishes. The
- 33:31Speaker 2: first two three months. He was getting like a stroke
- 33:33Speaker 2: a stroke and a half per rounds. Nick Taylor in
- 33:36Speaker 2: the six k range was like ten to twelve percent
- 33:38Speaker 2: owned at times when he was getting disrespected by the
- 33:41Speaker 2: DraftKings pricemakers.
- 33:42Speaker 1: Now not so much.
- 33:43Speaker 2: Right now, he's only going to be in that like
- 33:45Speaker 2: two to five percent range. So yeah, he's a five
- 33:48Speaker 2: out of ten, but a five out of ten at
- 33:49Speaker 2: low ownership in the six k range is like a
- 33:52Speaker 2: nine out of ten, right, he kind of got to
- 33:53Speaker 2: look at it with that perspective of most of these
- 33:56Speaker 2: guys are terrible plays. So if you're five out of ten,
- 33:58Speaker 2: that's actually pretty good. Yea, we're gonn shoohe on, Henley.
- 34:01Speaker 2: I'm with you, man, I hope he stays low owned.
- 34:03Speaker 2: What do I think it's necessary to leave money on
- 34:05Speaker 2: the table in single entries? And if so, how much
- 34:08Speaker 2: is too much to leave? I don't think it's necessary
- 34:10Speaker 2: as long as you're getting different with the ownership elsewhere
- 34:12Speaker 2: would piece? I think that might be overthinking it a bit,
- 34:15Speaker 2: because what you've got to remember in most of the
- 34:16Speaker 2: single entries is that you're only entering against a couple
- 34:19Speaker 2: hundred people, And really the only reason we leave salary
- 34:23Speaker 2: on the table, or at least the main reason we do,
- 34:25Speaker 2: is to make sure we're not going to duplicate ourselves.
- 34:28Speaker 2: And like in the Big five dollars twenty five dollars GPPs,
- 34:30Speaker 2: when we have ten thousand plus entries that we're playing against,
- 34:34Speaker 2: that becomes a much bigger factor than if we're only
- 34:36Speaker 2: playing against like two hundred entries. It's you know, it's
- 34:39Speaker 2: pretty easy to think about, but if you have fifty
- 34:41Speaker 2: times in the entries, then you've probably got about fifty
- 34:44Speaker 2: times the chance to duplicate yourself with another player. So
- 34:47Speaker 2: in those contests, I would say you more so just
- 34:49Speaker 2: want to make sure you have that leverage included than
- 34:52Speaker 2: leaving that salary on the table, because you really don't
- 34:55Speaker 2: have to worry about duplicating so much as getting that leverage.
- 34:59Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you can only play chalk in the
- 35:01Speaker 2: sort of contest. You's still gotta have that ownership leverage
- 35:04Speaker 2: to actually move up the leader boards when you get
- 35:06Speaker 2: guys right, But leaving salth around the table maybe not.
- 35:09Speaker 1: The best idea. So great question, and let me know
- 35:12Speaker 1: if you have any follow up questions with that.
- 35:15Speaker 2: Well, you don't do a lot of golf on DK
- 35:17Speaker 2: said your takes help me a lot on Utderdog and Drafters.
- 35:20Speaker 2: Glad to hear, Michael, And yeah, we do focus on
- 35:22Speaker 2: DraftKings because it is the biggest site in terms of
- 35:25Speaker 2: fantasy golf, But yeah, whatever you can take and use
- 35:27Speaker 2: on those other sites, feel free to do so, and
- 35:30Speaker 2: glad to hear that you've had some success. So I
- 35:32Speaker 2: kind of gave my thoughts on Sibez before let me
- 35:34Speaker 2: know if you have anything else that you won on them.
- 35:36Speaker 2: But I like the forum that zero point eighty five
- 35:38Speaker 2: shots gained approach is kind of hard to overlook. And
- 35:41Speaker 2: he said, what are my thoughts on Tommy lad His
- 35:42Speaker 2: odds are down to twenty to one. Yeah, man, it's
- 35:45Speaker 2: the volume bet on him. And you know, I kind
- 35:47Speaker 2: of gave that little spiel about him having zero percent inequity.
- 35:50Speaker 2: I'm hoping I reverse motion, like he deserves to win.
- 35:53Speaker 2: He's by far or the best four player I've seen
- 35:55Speaker 2: for decades has gone this far without a win. But
- 35:59Speaker 2: the fact that he's gone this far without a win,
- 36:01Speaker 2: like if you're bending them at twenty five to one,
- 36:03Speaker 2: like what the heck are you doing with yourself? Because
- 36:06Speaker 2: he's never gotten it done before and we're bend him
- 36:09Speaker 2: as one of the favorites.
- 36:10Speaker 1: Like that's where I have that pushback. So I like
- 36:13Speaker 1: him this week.
- 36:13Speaker 2: Ross, He's like a seven and a half out of
- 36:15Speaker 2: ten for me. I just don't think he's gonna win.
- 36:17Speaker 2: I just think he's gonna top five most likely, So
- 36:20Speaker 2: I hope he top fives, and hey, if he proves
- 36:22Speaker 2: me wrong and wins the damn thing, I will be smiling,
- 36:25Speaker 2: right along with him, because if you guys thought the
- 36:27Speaker 2: Ry win was pretty emotional, it won't be quite on
- 36:29Speaker 2: that same kind of level. But say Fleetload will be
- 36:32Speaker 2: crying on the green after he wins. I can almost
- 36:34Speaker 2: guarantee you that. How am I feeling about Deddy McCarthy. Ooh,
- 36:38Speaker 2: one of these guys I kind of want to keep
- 36:39Speaker 2: quiet on. But I'll give you the little take here.
- 36:42Speaker 2: He's a sneaky good play. He plays well these hard,
- 36:45Speaker 2: long golf courses. I mean, he's playball here before, as
- 36:47Speaker 2: the guys have seen with his results, his top five,
- 36:49Speaker 2: top ten finishes. And it's not even just this long,
- 36:52Speaker 2: hard golf course that he plays well. He plays the
- 36:55Speaker 2: major championship venues a lot better than you'd expect for
- 36:58Speaker 2: a player that's not known as a ball striker. So yeah,
- 37:01Speaker 2: he's a sneaky good play And I hope the ownership
- 37:03Speaker 2: stays low on him, man, because that's kind of the hope,
- 37:06Speaker 2: is that he'll be free to maybe five percent lower
- 37:08Speaker 2: round and some of the guys around him, And if so,
- 37:10Speaker 2: that'd be kind of nice. He said he likes the
- 37:12Speaker 2: hovelnd called valspar, which is why you're curious about Memorial yeah,
- 37:15Speaker 2: So it's the exact opposite ross. So like valspar, we
- 37:18Speaker 2: were getting like the super weak field, give me the event,
- 37:21Speaker 2: where like he's by far the best player in it,
- 37:23Speaker 2: and he might be like twelve to one and that
- 37:25Speaker 2: of fifteen to one. I kind of know that ahead
- 37:28Speaker 2: of time, Right, You're not gonna get great odds if
- 37:29Speaker 2: he's in a weak field, but he's gonna win that event.
- 37:32Speaker 2: Like I'm just that's I'm very convicted about that. By
- 37:35Speaker 2: the way, Like when that happens, he'll be my single
- 37:37Speaker 2: bullet bet that week. He'll be the only guy I
- 37:39Speaker 2: bet because of that. It's just it's a mental thing
- 37:41Speaker 2: for him. Two man, that's the reason I'm so adamant
- 37:44Speaker 2: about it. When he knows he's the best. Like last year,
- 37:47Speaker 2: the Starry two years ago the FATS cut playoffs, he
- 37:49Speaker 2: traalsed to everyone. It wasn't even close for a month,
- 37:51Speaker 2: and then he took the break, he came back, he
- 37:53Speaker 2: tinkered in what happened, he completely fell apart.
- 37:56Speaker 1: So I just I hope we can get that confidence
- 37:58Speaker 1: back for him, because that's all it is.
- 37:59Speaker 2: He's the same golf or he's got the pretty much
- 38:01Speaker 2: the same golf swing as what it was then too.
- 38:03Speaker 2: It's just gotta be that mental factor Johnny Vegas thoughts,
- 38:06Speaker 2: and he said, thank you sir, of course, man appreciate it.
- 38:10Speaker 1: Let's go.
- 38:10Speaker 2: Johnny Vegas is what sixty five hundred or something like that,
- 38:13Speaker 2: or even cheaper sixty two hundred dollars on this kind
- 38:15Speaker 2: of slate.
- 38:16Speaker 1: He's a piper off the tee.
- 38:18Speaker 2: I don't know if the driving distance is really like
- 38:20Speaker 2: the biggest advantage around this golf course, but if he
- 38:23Speaker 2: can hit a bunch of fairways, he's gonna have short
- 38:25Speaker 2: clubs in So I think if you're going to play
- 38:27Speaker 2: Johnny Vegas, the best place to do it would be
- 38:29Speaker 2: large field GPPs. Just because of that aggressive off the
- 38:32Speaker 2: tee play. It could go sideways. He could be one
- 38:35Speaker 2: of the guys that miss the cut down low. But
- 38:37Speaker 2: if he makes the cut, it's likely because he's hitting
- 38:39Speaker 2: a lot of fairways and he played well last year.
- 38:42Speaker 2: Actually his win was I forget the golf golf course
- 38:45Speaker 2: off come my heead, but it was a positional golf
- 38:47Speaker 2: course that Johnny Vegas won at, like he wanted a
- 38:49Speaker 2: golf course that you would never think that he would
- 38:52Speaker 2: win at. This week, it is a more positional golf course.
- 38:55Speaker 2: But I don't think a stand of the world for him.
- 38:57Speaker 2: He clearly showed us last year that he can win
- 38:59Speaker 2: at this sort of place. Jetty McCarthy deep dive so
- 39:02Speaker 2: gave my quick thoughts on that a few minutes ago.
- 39:04Speaker 2: Let me know if you have any other questions about him.
- 39:06Speaker 2: But I think he's a good play. I just hope
- 39:08Speaker 2: that he's low owned thoughts on Burger. So him and
- 39:11Speaker 2: Shane Lowry are kind of like the same thing for
- 39:13Speaker 2: me this week. I understand why they're chalky, but they're chalky,
- 39:17Speaker 2: and if you're gonna play them, or if you're gonna
- 39:19Speaker 2: consider using either option, that has to be where you start.
- 39:22Speaker 2: You've got to think about the game theory before committing
- 39:24Speaker 2: to either player, because as you can see, they're close
- 39:26Speaker 2: to that fifteen to sixteen percent mark. You can say
- 39:29Speaker 2: the same thing about Hovlin's except Straka. If you're going
- 39:31Speaker 2: to use them, commit to them. And I'll say, over
- 39:33Speaker 2: these four players, I'm using two of them, so Sepstraca
- 39:37Speaker 2: is clearly one of the two that I'm playing. Of
- 39:39Speaker 2: the other three, I'm playing one of them and then
- 39:41Speaker 2: feeding the other two. So the idea would be is
- 39:44Speaker 2: that even if you're one fifty maxer like myself, you're
- 39:47Speaker 2: gonna have to pick a few of these guys to
- 39:49Speaker 2: play and then a few of them to go out
- 39:50Speaker 2: there and fade.
- 39:51Speaker 1: That's it's not a massive issue.
- 39:54Speaker 2: It's just something that you have to think about if
- 39:55Speaker 2: you're gonna play one of these four guys. Is that
- 39:57Speaker 2: the ownership is going to be inflated. He said, you're
- 40:00Speaker 2: with me, You're with me, Sam Burns is a positive
- 40:02Speaker 2: approach week away from contending. It's for real, man, like,
- 40:06Speaker 2: all that has to happen, and it's a lot. And
- 40:09Speaker 2: I said, all that has to happen, and there's gonna
- 40:11Speaker 2: be a lot that I say here because he has
- 40:12Speaker 2: to hit fairways and hit his.
- 40:13Speaker 1: Iron as well.
- 40:14Speaker 2: And I know it sounds sort sweet and really easy
- 40:17Speaker 2: to go out there and do, but it's not for else.
- 40:20Speaker 2: Everyone would do it, and everyone would be winning these
- 40:22Speaker 2: tour events. You gotta lugy a luddy outright and a
- 40:25Speaker 2: Cam Davis. You're saying, is Cam Davis the key to winning?
- 40:29Speaker 2: So I guess that's two thoughts there. First off, the
- 40:31Speaker 2: luddy outright, I'm okay with it. I didn't get there myself,
- 40:34Speaker 2: but he was one of the few guys I was
- 40:36Speaker 2: considering betting this week. Outright number was twenty two to
- 40:39Speaker 2: even twenty five to one on books, So I think
- 40:41Speaker 2: you did pretty good there yourself, especially if you got
- 40:43Speaker 2: that twenty five to one. And then is Cam Davis
- 40:45Speaker 2: the key to you winning two winter k We're gonna
- 40:47Speaker 2: do a pretty big deep dive on Cam Davis here
- 40:49Speaker 2: in a second.
- 40:50Speaker 1: In fact, we'll just do it now. We don't. We
- 40:51Speaker 1: don't have to do it in any sort of structured manner. Hell,
- 40:54Speaker 1: we're all over the place anyways with these questions, so
- 40:57Speaker 1: why not just keep it going that way? Yeah? I
- 40:59Speaker 1: like Cam Davis.
- 41:00Speaker 2: He's one of those super lowened guys towards the bottom.
- 41:02Speaker 2: I've got him at like two percent ownership, and it's
- 41:05Speaker 2: the exact same thing as Sam Burns. He's going to
- 41:07Speaker 2: hit fairways and hit some greens, which doesn't always happen
- 41:10Speaker 2: for Cam Davis. He's a sprayer off the tea and
- 41:11Speaker 2: he's not the most consistent iron player. But when Cam
- 41:15Speaker 2: Davis does that, he's going to be in contention in
- 41:17Speaker 2: a top five, top ten. So I would say Cam
- 41:20Speaker 2: Davis would be best used in a large field GPP,
- 41:23Speaker 2: which if you're asking about a two hundred K prize
- 41:25Speaker 2: pool there, then maybe it's not the worst idea to
- 41:27Speaker 2: play at cam Davis because those are going to be
- 41:29Speaker 2: the large fil GPPs where you're getting that sort of
- 41:32Speaker 2: a payout, So could miss the cut. I know that
- 41:35Speaker 2: when I'm playing at cam Davis. But I also know
- 41:37Speaker 2: that if I get things right, that he's going to
- 41:39Speaker 2: top five, top ten, and there are guys around him, like,
- 41:42Speaker 2: for example, a Matt Kucher. When Matt Kocher gets it right,
- 41:45Speaker 2: it's like a top fifteen to top twenty, which who
- 41:47Speaker 2: gives a rats ass about a top fifteen to top
- 41:49Speaker 2: twenty finish in this six K range when there are
- 41:52Speaker 2: enough guys down here that I can guarantee you, I mean,
- 41:54Speaker 2: I'll just say it right now, one of these six
- 41:56Speaker 2: K range guys is going to top ten, at least
- 41:58Speaker 2: one of them, probably like two or three of them
- 42:00Speaker 2: are gonna end up finishing in the top ten. You
- 42:02Speaker 2: don't need these top fifteen's, top twenty, top twenty fives
- 42:05Speaker 2: that you might get from your mac Coochers of the world.
- 42:07Speaker 2: So yeah, bring on the risk, give me the high
- 42:09Speaker 2: upside players. Because that's what really matters. He said, females
- 42:15Speaker 2: got some good form, two solid starts in a row, so.
- 42:18Speaker 1: I think he hit the nail on the head.
- 42:19Speaker 2: He's playing well. I don't really have any negative things
- 42:21Speaker 2: to say about a Tony Feenw. I would say the
- 42:24Speaker 2: one thing I would say about a Tony Feinw is
- 42:27Speaker 2: that he's got to hit some fairways. This isn't the
- 42:29Speaker 2: best course fit from that angle, but we've seen him
- 42:32Speaker 2: play long, hard golf course as well. Before Tory Pines
- 42:34Speaker 2: really comes to mind. He's had a really good track
- 42:37Speaker 2: record at the Farmers. Different agronomy, but kind of the
- 42:40Speaker 2: same off the t test as what you're gonna get
- 42:42Speaker 2: at Memorial. I think he's a pretty sharp play. The
- 42:45Speaker 2: ownership is relatively low, so he's not getting as much
- 42:48Speaker 2: steam as he probably should. And let me just double
- 42:50Speaker 2: check on whether he made it into my last set
- 42:52Speaker 2: of lineups. He was either in my lineups or one
- 42:55Speaker 2: of the last few guys I wasn't able to get to.
- 42:57Speaker 2: And yeah, he's one of the last few guys add
- 43:00Speaker 2: to my player pool, so knowing that will probably win
- 43:03Speaker 2: the event. Now it'd be the guy that I absolutely
- 43:05Speaker 2: had to have becauid, how's my raider bought tier Rader?
- 43:08Speaker 2: And by the way, sorry, I forgot your question from before,
- 43:10Speaker 2: and I don't think it was Alan who asked. If
- 43:11Speaker 2: somebody did ask my take on Okha, I actually don't
- 43:16Speaker 2: know what to say about Okha. You'd see him like
- 43:18Speaker 2: scratching my head here because like a five out of
- 43:21Speaker 2: ten is likely the answer I have to give because he.
- 43:25Speaker 1: Is an accurate driver.
- 43:26Speaker 2: He drives the ball like we'd want around a memorial. However,
- 43:29Speaker 2: he hasn't really done it year before. He hasn't played
- 43:32Speaker 2: ball really any hard golf courses. Almost all his top
- 43:35Speaker 2: finishes seem to be at like average to even easy
- 43:37Speaker 2: golf courses, which is okay. Sometimes that's just your style
- 43:41Speaker 2: of golf that translates to success. But five out of ten, man,
- 43:44Speaker 2: I I gotta say, he kind of confuses me around here.
- 43:47Speaker 2: And just to double check on I'm pretty sure he's
- 43:49Speaker 2: in my player pool because the ownership's not outrageous on
- 43:52Speaker 2: an Akha Bitia, It's just I could see him missing
- 43:55Speaker 2: the cut. I could see him top five and cop
- 43:57Speaker 2: ten ing. I don't really know what to think about
- 43:58Speaker 2: the guy, And uh, yeah, he's not in my player. Well,
- 44:00Speaker 2: actually he's one of the few guys that didn't make
- 44:02Speaker 2: it in there, so just like, yeah, the last player won,
- 44:06Speaker 2: surprise me. If he top five is then Alex Nord
- 44:08Speaker 2: and Brian Harmon won through ten. Brian Harmon six out
- 44:11Speaker 2: of ten. I like the afcuracy off the tee. He
- 44:14Speaker 2: plays we long hard golf courses as well, which is
- 44:16Speaker 2: kind of surprising for Brian Harmon. I mean, the guy's
- 44:19Speaker 2: a four foot tall or whatever, so you went't really
- 44:21Speaker 2: thinking'd play well when it's seventy six hundred yards, but
- 44:24Speaker 2: six out of ten because he has shown that before
- 44:27Speaker 2: and then Alex Norn. I was kind of skeptical at
- 44:31Speaker 2: the PGA Championship. I think most people were right. You
- 44:34Speaker 2: haven't seen the guy play for six months, and then
- 44:36Speaker 2: he has that top level finish. I'm still kind of
- 44:38Speaker 2: skeptical about it. And I hate to say that because,
- 44:41Speaker 2: I mean a major championship. He proved it to us
- 44:43Speaker 2: for three of the four rounds, but he fell off
- 44:45Speaker 2: so hard in rounds four that it's kind of hard
- 44:48Speaker 2: to overlook that. So I'm gonna put him at a
- 44:50Speaker 2: five out of ten because I really like what we saw,
- 44:53Speaker 2: but really I think it's still a little early on him.
- 44:57Speaker 2: It just feels like when guys come back from injury.
- 44:59Speaker 2: I mean, Xander Schaffley is probably the best example of it.
- 45:02Speaker 2: He only missed like two and a half months since
- 45:04Speaker 2: he still hasn't found his game quite yet, So that's
- 45:07Speaker 2: why I have that kind of hesitation would say thoughts
- 45:10Speaker 2: on Ryan Fox. I don't want to steam them up here,
- 45:13Speaker 2: but I love Ryan Fox this week. So if you're
- 45:15Speaker 2: thinking about playing him at sixty five hundred dollars, I'm
- 45:18Speaker 2: not going to talk you off of that whatsoever. He's
- 45:20Speaker 2: got the kind of off the tee play where if
- 45:22Speaker 2: he can hit fairways it could work around Memorial. He
- 45:25Speaker 2: is more of a distance over an accuracy guy, so
- 45:28Speaker 2: he does have to hit fairways to make that kind
- 45:30Speaker 2: of thing work. But he's got that same thing going
- 45:32Speaker 2: on as like a Sam Burns. That's though Minwu Lee
- 45:34Speaker 2: into that same bucket as well. Minwou Lee, who are
- 45:37Speaker 2: actually gonna be mean to talk up.
- 45:38Speaker 1: Here in a little bit.
- 45:38Speaker 2: He's only about three percent ownes. He's another one of
- 45:41Speaker 2: those guys that isn't the prototypical course fit around here.
- 45:44Speaker 2: But if he has a spike accuracy, week, which happens.
- 45:47Speaker 2: Even guys like Rory will sometimes hit like eighty percent
- 45:50Speaker 2: fairways on a week. Sometimes Bubba Watson back in the day,
- 45:53Speaker 2: who couldn't find the fairway for his life, sometimes will
- 45:55Speaker 2: have like an eighty percent fairway week. When those guys
- 45:58Speaker 2: did that, they won golf torn And maybe that's not
- 46:01Speaker 2: gonna be a win for a minimum. Might not be
- 46:03Speaker 2: a win for Cam Davis, but what's the top five,
- 46:06Speaker 2: top ten if they go out there and have that
- 46:08Speaker 2: kind of week. So yeah, he's I'm okay with it, man,
- 46:10Speaker 2: He's that high upside play that you just have to
- 46:13Speaker 2: be okay if he misses the cut, Like it's gonna
- 46:16Speaker 2: happen a lot, like forty percent of the time. Even
- 46:19Speaker 2: those guys are gonna like miss the cut. If you're
- 46:21Speaker 2: okay with that, though, is a great play if you
- 46:22Speaker 2: can make it through the weekend. Hughes really missed the
- 46:25Speaker 2: cut last week. How we feel about a bounce back?
- 46:27Speaker 2: I could see it and yeah, what he bog in
- 46:29Speaker 2: the last hole to not make it. I would say
- 46:31Speaker 2: I kind of like those guys for bouncebacks because they
- 46:34Speaker 2: don't play that terribly. Like I mean, if you missed
- 46:36Speaker 2: the cut, by half a stroke or a stroke. You
- 46:39Speaker 2: were just a little bit worse than the field average,
- 46:41Speaker 2: and all the miscuts look the same for people that
- 46:43Speaker 2: are box score watching, if you're just looking at past performances,
- 46:46Speaker 2: you're like, oh, he missed the cut. It's gonna look
- 46:48Speaker 2: the same as the guy that shot plus ten.
- 46:50Speaker 1: I'm okay with it.
- 46:51Speaker 2: He I will say as well, he plays wealt US
- 46:54Speaker 2: Opens in the past at like the Tory Pines. He
- 46:56Speaker 2: played well at that US Open, and you wouldn't have
- 46:59Speaker 2: thought it for McKennon. He hughes Longhard golf course where
- 47:01Speaker 2: it's demanding off the tee, but he's shown it to
- 47:04Speaker 2: us before. Yeah, three m was the Johnny Vegas outright win.
- 47:06Speaker 2: Thanks for the reminder, and uh yeah, of course that
- 47:09Speaker 2: you don't have to be a bomber at so just
- 47:11Speaker 2: kind of strange that he'd been there and not at
- 47:14Speaker 2: like a an API or something where bonding it matters.
- 47:17Speaker 1: Yeah, your bombs. I'm okay with it.
- 47:20Speaker 2: I'm not there myself, so he's not in my player pool,
- 47:22Speaker 2: but he's the exact same kind of stat profiles like
- 47:25Speaker 2: the Ryan fox Is, the Sam Burns, the mid Woolies,
- 47:27Speaker 2: where if they hit fairways, watch the hell out.
- 47:30Speaker 1: It could be a big week. Michael Kim thoughts he's so.
- 47:34Speaker 2: The issue I have with Michael Kim is the health
- 47:37Speaker 2: because he's told us that he's dealing with some back
- 47:39Speaker 2: issues and stuff.
- 47:40Speaker 1: But he's playing okay golf.
- 47:42Speaker 2: He's about neutral with the shots game metrics, so you
- 47:44Speaker 2: know there are better form guys around him, like a
- 47:46Speaker 2: Bud Colley.
- 47:47Speaker 1: But but Cole he's like eleven percent owned.
- 47:49Speaker 2: Michael Kim's going to be like five percent owned, so
- 47:52Speaker 2: he's a five out of ten. I don't have a
- 47:53Speaker 2: massive hot take. And now the direction there any Grazerman
- 47:57Speaker 2: loves seems to be playing decent at these type of courses. Yeah,
- 48:00Speaker 2: and he's another one of the guys I didn't really
- 48:02Speaker 2: want to steam up, but we won't see him up
- 48:04Speaker 2: too much here.
- 48:05Speaker 1: I like myself.
- 48:06Speaker 2: Some graze him and he puts well on bent grass,
- 48:08Speaker 2: gains zero point nine strokes per round on bent grass.
- 48:11Speaker 2: He hasn't had amazing form lately, but towards the beginning
- 48:15Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five, he sucked like he was missing cuts.
- 48:18Speaker 2: He was like at best finishing in thirtieth, So he's
- 48:20Speaker 2: not in that kind of form. Now. He's getting about
- 48:22Speaker 2: point six strokes per round, so I think he's a
- 48:25Speaker 2: very short play also not going to be super highly owned,
- 48:28Speaker 2: and hopefully we can keep it that way, because that's
- 48:30Speaker 2: part of the reason I really like him.
- 48:32Speaker 1: Kennick Dunlop go back.
- 48:33Speaker 2: To college and figure this out. I think he's doing
- 48:35Speaker 2: just fine, man, and it's just one thing going wrong
- 48:38Speaker 2: for him.
- 48:38Speaker 1: It's the off the t play.
- 48:39Speaker 2: So don't be surprised if Dunlop gets that thing figured
- 48:42Speaker 2: out in the next few weeks and potentially wins an
- 48:44Speaker 2: event here this year that I actually don't think I'd
- 48:47Speaker 2: be surprising at all, considering that he won twice last year.
- 48:50Speaker 1: Do you think that Max Homa is getting better? Yes,
- 48:52Speaker 1: I do, Derek.
- 48:53Speaker 2: I think that the shots gain metrics kind of showed
- 48:56Speaker 2: that as well. Ball striking has improved, But I don't
- 48:58Speaker 2: think he's back quite yet. You've seen his best performances
- 49:01Speaker 2: at golf courses that he's very comfortable on, so I'm
- 49:04Speaker 2: still weighing a little bit on that thoughts.
- 49:06Speaker 1: On Wyndham, you think he's usually good out of the
- 49:08Speaker 1: deep rough.
- 49:08Speaker 2: That's true, but the skill set that has really gone
- 49:11Speaker 2: it done around here is more of the accuracy side,
- 49:14Speaker 2: and if you take a look at his course history,
- 49:16Speaker 2: it hasn't been that good around this golf course. So
- 49:19Speaker 2: I think the US Open will be a pretty good
- 49:21Speaker 2: fit for Wyndom Clark. But I think you want guys
- 49:23Speaker 2: that aren't missing fairways. This week the miss Faarawey penalties
- 49:27Speaker 2: between point three to point five shots depending on how
- 49:29Speaker 2: far from the green you are, So I think that's
- 49:31Speaker 2: the bigger factor for me. And you said he's out
- 49:34Speaker 2: of form. He is out of form, but he's not
- 49:37Speaker 2: as out of form as you'd think. He's got the
- 49:39Speaker 2: same thing going on as Victor Hoveland. By the way,
- 49:42Speaker 2: the next time we get Wyndham Clark at a golf
- 49:44Speaker 2: course that kind of fits his game and I want
- 49:47Speaker 2: the ball strike and that's to be just.
- 49:48Speaker 1: A little bit better on Windom.
- 49:50Speaker 2: So maybe we can get like a couple weeks in
- 49:52Speaker 2: a row where he gains with the irons and then
- 49:54Speaker 2: just like Hovelin, you put him in a weaker field
- 49:56Speaker 2: event and Wyndom Clark is going to win, and I
- 49:59Speaker 2: don't maybe not the first time, but like the first
- 50:01Speaker 2: or second time you put him in a weaker field events,
- 50:03Speaker 2: He's gonna have the same exact thing happen. And I
- 50:05Speaker 2: wish I could tell these core players what I know.
- 50:08Speaker 2: I've just noticed it over the last few years is
- 50:11Speaker 2: all these guys, they have all this success and then
- 50:13Speaker 2: they only go play against the world's best, and then
- 50:15Speaker 2: they wonder why they can't win anymore. It's because you're
- 50:17Speaker 2: not playing against the shitty fields anymore, man. And it's
- 50:20Speaker 2: not like a diss against those guys. They're great players,
- 50:23Speaker 2: but they're not the best players. They're not Scotty Shuffler.
- 50:25Speaker 2: So if you want to win events, man, this is
- 50:28Speaker 2: watching this Windom, your Wyndham's team, Victor Hobb and your team,
- 50:31Speaker 2: any of those guys in an A K range, just
- 50:33Speaker 2: play some of the weaker field events.
- 50:34Speaker 1: I know you have to travel another week, you have
- 50:36Speaker 1: to play anymore. But if you win two miliver first,
- 50:38Speaker 1: then do you really care? That's what I would say.
- 50:41Speaker 2: You went for Scotty big bet and Seewoo Kim's small
- 50:44Speaker 2: place bet in Bradley. Okay, he said, you think Skuy's
- 50:46Speaker 2: gonna have an amazing weekend. I cannot contend that he's
- 50:49Speaker 2: world number one. He's got plus two eighty odds just
- 50:52Speaker 2: the odds kind of suck, right, that's the only thing
- 50:54Speaker 2: with bend them ount right, But I'm not against that
- 50:56Speaker 2: Lucas Glover do anything for me.
- 50:58Speaker 1: I like the accuracy off the team.
- 50:59Speaker 2: I like the iron, so I'll be there myself, he said,
- 51:01Speaker 2: thanks for doing the show of course, Kep. And the
- 51:04Speaker 2: one thing I will say alan about Lucas Glover two
- 51:06Speaker 2: is that he is getting some ownership, so I have
- 51:08Speaker 2: him a little bit over five percent down low, so
- 51:11Speaker 2: unlike you're Cam Davis's that are gonna be like sub
- 51:12Speaker 2: five percent. He does have a little bit more steam
- 51:15Speaker 2: around him, but.
- 51:16Speaker 1: It's not massive steam. He said.
- 51:18Speaker 2: To continue with Homa, Do I think he's gonna be
- 51:19Speaker 2: low owned or high owned. I have him about average
- 51:22Speaker 2: ownership for that portion of the board, and it's partially
- 51:25Speaker 2: because he's overpriced. I think Draftings did a pretty good
- 51:27Speaker 2: job pricing him up, so I don't think he's going
- 51:29Speaker 2: to be super popular for you. Thoughts on the Tour
- 51:31Speaker 2: Championship format. I love it, especially as somebody that's gonna
- 51:35Speaker 2: be there in person and watch it. It makes it
- 51:37Speaker 2: a lot more entertaining for fans, which I would say
- 51:40Speaker 2: the merit aspect of like working all year to finish
- 51:42Speaker 2: in first and then not getting anything for it really sucks.
- 51:46Speaker 2: But hey, it doesn't impact me. I'm not going to
- 51:49Speaker 2: be number one in the FedEx Cup and I'll just
- 51:51Speaker 2: be watching as a fan. So I think it's good
- 51:53Speaker 2: for us, terrible for the players. And then he said
- 51:55Speaker 2: he needs to play the Rocket. Yeah, man, seriously, and
- 51:59Speaker 2: I think Rocket more, which classic for Wyndham Clark.
- 52:01Speaker 1: He wins by five. I mean you can spray it.
- 52:03Speaker 2: It's like Cam Davis, right, he won there spraying it
- 52:05Speaker 2: off the tee. Yeah, just show up to those golf
- 52:08Speaker 2: courses and you can find some success. So we're gonna
- 52:10Speaker 2: go through the lamp construction here real quickly before hopping
- 52:13Speaker 2: on out of here. The contests that are available are
- 52:15Speaker 2: all kind of full now, and because I only have
- 52:17Speaker 2: eight minutes to my next live stream, we're gonna cut
- 52:19Speaker 2: this segment.
- 52:20Speaker 1: You guys know my take on choosing contests.
- 52:23Speaker 2: Take sustainable contest, Take the ones that aren't like thirty
- 52:26Speaker 2: forty percent to first place, which for the most part
- 52:28Speaker 2: and most of you guys watching this, you should be
- 52:30Speaker 2: looking at a lot of single entries. So the one
- 52:31Speaker 2: hundred dollars two hundred dollars single entries, twelve thirty three dollars,
- 52:34Speaker 2: five dollars single entries. Depending on your stakes and the
- 52:38Speaker 2: kind of bankroll that you have for dfs, just enter
- 52:40Speaker 2: ones that make the most sense. Since you know, let's
- 52:42Speaker 2: say that you have one hundred dollars bankroll, it doesn't
- 52:44Speaker 2: have to be one hundred dollars single entry. That's not
- 52:46Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I more so mean like, take that
- 52:48Speaker 2: one hundred dollars and enter a bunch of different single entries,
- 52:51Speaker 2: maybe two of the thirty threes, two of the twelve dollars,
- 52:54Speaker 2: and two of the five dollars GPPs. Those six lineups
- 52:57Speaker 2: add up two one hundred dollars if you want to
- 52:59Speaker 2: use that as your kind bankroll strategy, So implement that
- 53:02Speaker 2: play sustainable contest and you're gonna have a lot more
- 53:04Speaker 2: fun down the line. But let's build a line up
- 53:06Speaker 2: here together. And it's because we don't have a massive
- 53:08Speaker 2: weather edge to incorporate. It is all about making sure
- 53:10Speaker 2: that we get that differentiation. So I know we mentioned
- 53:12Speaker 2: about starting with Scotti before putting it down to seventy
- 53:16Speaker 2: three hundred dollars. Re mating does all the work really
- 53:18Speaker 2: when it comes to getting different So let's throw it
- 53:20Speaker 2: in Aaron Rye. I know we mentioned the Scheffler Rye
- 53:23Speaker 2: start before, but now because we're down in the bottom
- 53:25Speaker 2: end of this seven K range, as long as we're
- 53:27Speaker 2: not taking the chalk of the chalk plays, we're gonna
- 53:29Speaker 2: be getting all the differentiation that we're looking for. So
- 53:32Speaker 2: let's throw in a min Mouley is one of those
- 53:34Speaker 2: high upside GPP plays that I was mentioning before. Let's
- 53:37Speaker 2: throwing the Taylor Pendrith another high upside GPP play. Let's
- 53:41Speaker 2: throw in a home He's not my favorite play, but
- 53:44Speaker 2: we can throw him in here for the sake of
- 53:45Speaker 2: this exercise. And then, no matter who you're using as
- 53:48Speaker 2: your last man in here, even if it was one
- 53:50Speaker 2: of the more popular players, like a Bazaine here I
- 53:52Speaker 2: think's probably the most popular guy that we have. At
- 53:55Speaker 2: sixty nine hundred dollars, you're gonna be differentiated ninety nine
- 53:58Speaker 2: percent of the time with this kind of bill because
- 54:00Speaker 2: you've got three four guys you might be borderlined with
- 54:04Speaker 2: de zay hit whether he's going to be like sub
- 54:05Speaker 2: six percent owns, they've got like four sub six percenters
- 54:08Speaker 2: that you're getting all that product ownership differentiation with If
- 54:11Speaker 2: you don't start with Scotty, though, you have to be
- 54:13Speaker 2: a little bit more careful about it. So for example,
- 54:15Speaker 2: if we started a Moricaba went Fleetwood is our second
- 54:18Speaker 2: min in, and then maybe went with a Daniel Berger
- 54:21Speaker 2: at eighty six hundred dollars, we're now down to seventy
- 54:23Speaker 2: three hundred remaining for our last three spots, which was
- 54:26Speaker 2: kind of the same scenario that we were in before.
- 54:28Speaker 1: But now if he wanted to use like an Aaron Rye,
- 54:31Speaker 1: we still wanted to use him in the seven k range.
- 54:33Speaker 2: Let's say now we've only got two spots to get
- 54:35Speaker 2: different with, and you have to be really careful with
- 54:38Speaker 2: your last two spots here, because if you aren't and
- 54:40Speaker 2: you take guys that are seven to ten percent owns,
- 54:42Speaker 2: you might not have the differentiation that you need. So,
- 54:44Speaker 2: for example, let's say that you played a bot Ya
- 54:47Speaker 2: who I actually have it like seven eight percent ownership,
- 54:50Speaker 2: and then your last minute here was I don't think
- 54:52Speaker 2: there's anyone super choky in this range, but let's go
- 54:55Speaker 2: with the I guess Adam Scott Wind and Plark they're
- 54:58Speaker 2: both pretty low on. But even if you a pretty
- 55:01Speaker 2: low end guy sub five percenters, your last min in here,
- 55:04Speaker 2: you might not have enough leverage because you've really only
- 55:07Speaker 2: got two spots. We're getting all that product ownership different
- 55:10Speaker 2: So that's why I think the Scottish shuffler lineups are
- 55:12Speaker 2: actually advantageous when it comes to getting different because if
- 55:16Speaker 2: you're gonna start with a more common lineup, then.
- 55:18Speaker 1: You have to be a lot more careful at this
- 55:19Speaker 1: portion of the board.
- 55:20Speaker 2: So for example, maybe rather than playing a Daniel Berger,
- 55:23Speaker 2: you know down the line that you're gonna be dealing
- 55:25Speaker 2: with differentiation issues right.
- 55:27Speaker 1: Getting enough of that leverage, that's where you go.
- 55:29Speaker 2: You know what, I'm gonna take a stand and use
- 55:31Speaker 2: a Sun JM who's a little bit lower owned and
- 55:34Speaker 2: a little bit cheaper, so it gives you a little
- 55:35Speaker 2: bit more salary with your last min in here, you
- 55:37Speaker 2: still have to be very careful about getting different maybe
- 55:40Speaker 2: even consider leaving a few hundred dollars on the table
- 55:43Speaker 2: to ensure that you don't duplicate yourself.
- 55:45Speaker 1: It's just a little bit more.
- 55:46Speaker 2: Involved if you don't take a Scottis shuffler. So make
- 55:49Speaker 2: sure that you're jamming in enough differentiation into your lineups.
- 55:53Speaker 2: The bigger the contest. By the way, this is probably
- 55:55Speaker 2: the easiest role that I could give you. The bigger
- 55:57Speaker 2: the contest, the more leverage that you need. Smaller the contest,
- 56:01Speaker 2: the less leverage that you need. It's really easy to understand.
- 56:04Speaker 2: Are you only entering against a couple hundred people, you
- 56:06Speaker 2: only need a couple spots to move up the leader boards.
- 56:09Speaker 2: You're playing against twenty thousand people. You better have the
- 56:12Speaker 2: nuts to go out there and take that sort of
- 56:14Speaker 2: thing down. So it's all got, guys going to go
- 56:16Speaker 2: ahead and cut off the live stream here as I've
- 56:18Speaker 2: only got a few minutes before we got to do
- 56:19Speaker 2: the prop and bedding side. But for that, make sure
- 56:21Speaker 2: to check out my YouTube channel that would be gsloopdfs,
- 56:24Speaker 2: where you guys can find all the prop and betting
- 56:26Speaker 2: stuff around number one we're talking underdog, also prize kicks
- 56:29Speaker 2: on my YouTube channel, some three balls and matchups for
- 56:32Speaker 2: the sports books, as well as well as any other
- 56:34Speaker 2: specific deep dives that you have. So if you guys
- 56:36Speaker 2: had any specific questions that I couldn't get to, or
- 56:38Speaker 2: maybe you're just catching up to this part of the
- 56:40Speaker 2: live stream now, feel free to go over to my
- 56:42Speaker 2: YouTube channel and I will still touch on those questions there.
- 56:44Speaker 2: It's just that I've got to get that live stream started.
- 56:47Speaker 2: We've got to get through both live streams before nine pm.
- 56:49Speaker 2: So if you have any of those, I'll touch on
- 56:52Speaker 2: them last second over there. But it's all I've got, guys.
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- 56:58Speaker 2: you guys don't miss any of the to come on
- 57:01Speaker 2: top of this live stream. We do showdown live streams
- 57:03Speaker 2: here on the shipped channel for rounds two through four,
- 57:05Speaker 2: so make sure you stay tuned for that, and for
- 57:07Speaker 2: rounds two through four and props embedding. I do the
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- 57:17Speaker 2: content as it drops. And let's take down a contest
- 57:19Speaker 2: or two. And you know, still remember in DJ seventy five,
- 57:22Speaker 2: the big guy in the sky looking down on us.
- 57:25Speaker 2: We'd love to take something down for him and be
- 57:26Speaker 2: able to shout out the big guy up top.
- 57:28Speaker 1: But best luck, guys.
- 57:29Speaker 2: Still thinking about our dude over there, and let's make
- 57:32Speaker 2: this week and a good one for him.