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How Jackie Schimmel’s Resume Lie Changed Her Career · Clyde Confidential

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Speaker 1: I get DMs all the time being like, hey, bitch.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, instant no.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, delete.
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Speaker 1: Like, hey, bitch. Like, if you're ever looking for sound style, like,
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Speaker 1: I'm your girl. Like, I know we'd be best friends.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no. That's not what's happening.
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Speaker 4: Can you imagine saying that to someone that you are
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Speaker 4: trying to work for?
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: Hey, bitch.
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Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy. Like, you've really misread the room.
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Speaker 4: Hi everyone, welcome back to another episode of Clyde Confidential.
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Speaker 4: Today I have fellow podcaster, pop star, mom to other Clyde, Jackie.
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Speaker 2: Schimmel, and her assistant Josh Cabello. Hi, guys.
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Speaker 3: Hi.
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Speaker 1: We're here. Thanks for coming.
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Speaker 4: I cannot thank you enough for coming, especially when you
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Speaker 4: are this pregnant.
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Speaker 2: I am so grateful.
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Speaker 3: Seriously.
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Speaker 1: I am so sorry I look like this, but this
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Speaker 1: is just the best I could do. If you see
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Speaker 1: a phalange come out of my vagina, you're welcome for
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Speaker 1: the downloads. It'll be good.
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Speaker 2: You look amazing.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: We've never actually met in person.
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Speaker 1: No, which I can't even believe. I was driving here
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Speaker 1: and I was like, I've never met her, but we've like,
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Speaker 1: I mean, talked and chit chatted for.
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Speaker 2: All these years.
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Speaker 1: It's wild.
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Speaker 2: And you named your son after my company.
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Speaker 1: I did a hundred percent.
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Speaker 3: I jacked it.
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Speaker 4: The last time you were pregnant, when you gave birth
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Speaker 4: to Clyde, we have a funny story that we can
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Speaker 4: talk to the audience about.
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Speaker 1: I have two funny stories actually. Before the stork, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this. Jen texted me that
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Speaker 1: she had this woman. She said, how badly do you
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Speaker 1: want to go into labor? And I was like, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, like not that, like when it's appropriate, like
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Speaker 1: what are you talking about? And you had coordinated, I guess,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was Jen's like masseuse or.
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Speaker 2: Yeshka.
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Speaker 1: Is her name Yeshka?
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Speaker 2: Yeshka, the prenatal massage woman.
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Speaker 1: The prenatal massage woman. Okay. God bless her.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 1: You text me, you're like, Jen wants this Janishka, whatever.
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Speaker 1: She wants to gift you as a baby present. Like,
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Speaker 1: when are you available? I was, I think I was
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Speaker 1: like 37 weeks pregnant. Jen's like, if you want, she'll
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Speaker 1: put you into labor. And I was like, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I want that right now, Janishka. So this random,
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Speaker 1: God bless her, woman comes over to my house. She
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Speaker 1: asked me where the fortress of my home is. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, in front of the TV. Like, do
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Speaker 1: I have a fortress?
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: She proceeds to pull out a Himalayan salt block in
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Speaker 1: the shape of a heart and cradled me from behind,
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Speaker 1: putting a salt, like a Himalayan salt rock in my
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Speaker 1: vagina and chanting in my ear as we were circling
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Speaker 1: on the sofa. I could not breathe. I was like,
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Speaker 1: I was convinced this was like a punk situation. I
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Speaker 1: was so genuinely confused. And then she offered me a
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Speaker 1: manicure at the end. She's like, I also do Jen's manicures.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, what is going on? And she was
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Speaker 1: just cradling me from behind and like rubbing my earlobes
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Speaker 1: and chanting. It was the craziest thing ever. I think
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Speaker 1: actually the baby came out late because of that massage.
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Speaker 2: So you didn't call her again this time?
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Speaker 1: No, I did not. I couldn't take it. I was,
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Speaker 1: she's like, just relax. I'm like, no, no, I'm not relaxed.
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Speaker 1: Your hand is inside of me. I'm like, there's nothing
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Speaker 1: relaxing about this. And then we were just moving and chanting.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Cup coming in being like.
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Speaker 4: Are you okay?
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know what's going on. What the
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Speaker 1: fuck is this? And I swear Clyde came late because
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Speaker 1: it was the opposite effect for me because I think
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Speaker 1: my hymens resealed.
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Speaker 2: Hilarious.
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Speaker 1: Anyways, sorry. What were we talking about?
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Speaker 4: How we've had a lot of correspondence, but we've never
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Speaker 4: met in person.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. And then the stork, which you coordinated flawlessly.
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Speaker 1: When I came home from the hospital, there was a massive, massive,
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Speaker 1: massive stork display on my lawn. announcing the birth of
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Speaker 1: my son to the fucking neighborhood. And I pull up
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Speaker 1: the driveway and I'm like, what the fuck? Can I
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Speaker 1: cuss by the way? It's too late. Like, what the
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Speaker 1: fuck is this? Because I had a pretty quick birth.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, who in the world would be able to
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Speaker 1: coordinate a stork display on my lawn, like in the
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Speaker 1: most embarrassing fashion? I was in a diaper. I was like,
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Speaker 1: get it down. Get it down. And that was all you.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: That was all you.
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Speaker 2: It was someone else's idea, but I did help facilitate.
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Speaker 1: That dumb, dumb bitch. I was like, what the fuck?
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Speaker 1: They thought that was the funniest thing. And it was
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Speaker 1: the funniest thing.
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Speaker 3: It was pretty good.
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Speaker 1: It was pretty good. I was dying. Dying.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Pulling up from the hospital like, whoa.
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Speaker 1: And because all my neighbors were texting me like, congratulations.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, how do they know? And I'm like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: because I have a lawn display.
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Speaker 2: Like from Etsy.
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Speaker 1: You saved it.
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Speaker 2: You saved it.
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Speaker 1: I did save it because it was just the craziest thing.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, who would ever do something like this?
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Speaker 1: And then it like clicked for me. And I was like,
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Speaker 1: oh my God.
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Speaker 2: So good. Well now. Enter second child. Hopefully no stork.
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Speaker 1: We don't know. No.
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Speaker 3: We don't know.
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Speaker 2: No storks.
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Speaker 1: We don't know. God forbid. If I see a stork,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to light the house on fire.
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Speaker 4: Well, anyways, thank you for being here while you're pregnant. Josh,
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Speaker 4: thank you for being here. I know this is your
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Speaker 4: first podcast. I know.
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Speaker 3: Not pregnant, but still scared.
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Speaker 2: Don't be scared.
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Speaker 1: Pregnant with fear.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: How long has it been since you guys have been
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Speaker 4: working together?
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Speaker 1: Three?
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Speaker 4: Almost.
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Speaker 3: Like two and a half years. When.
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Speaker 1: I feel like it was right after Clyde was born, right?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like 2024?
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Speaker 1: Nearly three years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's a long time.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's a good run.
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Speaker 1: We have a good flow. We have a real good flow.
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Speaker 4: What was it about Josh that made you want to
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Speaker 4: hire him or when did you know it was going
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Speaker 4: to work out?
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Speaker 1: Oh, I knew. Okay. So you helped me find an assistant.
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Speaker 1: I think I met with three people. And I'm not
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Speaker 1: like a yes queen kind of girl. Like when people
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Speaker 1: come in and they're like, hey, girly, like, yes. And
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Speaker 1: they're trying to like emulate a personality that they think
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Speaker 1: is my personality or like we're going to be, you know,
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Speaker 1: like that to me, I'm like, no, that's like not
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Speaker 1: what we're doing here. And I remember Josh came over
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Speaker 1: and you had prepared not a deck, but you had
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Speaker 1: prepared like a video asset of some kind. Maybe.
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Speaker 3: I remember afterwards I sent you like a newsletter. I
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Speaker 3: definitely had examples.
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Speaker 1: He had examples of like, of like just his assertiveness.
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Speaker 1: And he's like, this is what I could do. And
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Speaker 1: there was like, uh, like a digital asset and newsletter.
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Speaker 1: And he, without prompting, I never had to ask like, Oh, like,
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Speaker 1: let me see something. He had just sent it over
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Speaker 1: post interview. And I was like, that's my guy.
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Speaker 3: That's so funny because I feel like you told me
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Speaker 3: that you didn't interview anyone else. I didn't know that
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Speaker 3: there was competition.
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Speaker 1: I did after you. I was lying.
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Speaker 4: I did.
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Speaker 1: I met, I think I met with someone like the
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Speaker 1: next day, another couple people. And you had, without any
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Speaker 1: type of like followup for me, had sent over examples
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Speaker 1: of like his ideas of what he could do or whatever.
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Speaker 1: And I just like loved that he did that without prompting.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, assertive, efficient, go-getter. I loved that.
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Speaker 3: I love this.
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Speaker 4: You also have very calm energy, which is really comforting.
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Speaker 3: Very.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Not annoying, like a hundred percent.
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Speaker 3: To be fair, like, I mean, you use the phrase
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Speaker 3: star fuckers a lot because there are a lot of
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Speaker 3: those out there. And I think it did help that
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Speaker 3: I did not know who Jackie was at all before.
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Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, a hundred percent.
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Speaker 4: Love that.
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Speaker 1: Didn't know about the podcast, didn't know anything. That doesn't,
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Speaker 1: I like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. That's very cute.
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Speaker 3: I don't really listen to podcasts at all, to be honest.
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Speaker 3: Like I knew, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Just Jackie's.
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Speaker 3: Just Jackie's. No, literally like you are going to be
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Speaker 3: my top streamed podcast of the year for sure.
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Speaker 1: But I find that to be like very refreshing and
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Speaker 1: I know that's like a terrible thing to say, but
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Speaker 1: I get DMs Like, hey, bitch. And I'm like, instant no.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Like, delete. Like, hey, bitch. Like, if you're ever looking
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Speaker 1: for sound style, like, I'm your girl. Like, I know
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Speaker 1: we'd be best friends. I'm like, no, no, no. That's
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Speaker 1: not what's happening.
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Speaker 4: Can you imagine saying that to someone that you are
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Speaker 4: trying to work for?
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Speaker 2: No. Hey, bitch. That's crazy.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy. And I'm like, you really have, like, no, I, like,
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Speaker 1: you've really misread the room.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And that's not great. No.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I feel like 10... I'm not going
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Speaker 4: to age myself. A couple of years ago when I
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Speaker 4: was starting off as an assistant, I can't even imagine
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Speaker 4: being so lax in like my language or like my conversation.
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Speaker 4: I was always very formal. I was always sending thank
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Speaker 4: you notes. I was always like, there's no way that
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Speaker 4: I would have addressed someone so casually. It's just not,
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Speaker 4: it's not the vibe.
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Speaker 1: No, it's not the vibe. It's a, it's, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if it's like a generational thing, but like a
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Speaker 1: lot of people just don't understand how this works. Like
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Speaker 1: I've been an assistant of all kinds, personal, executive, production,
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Speaker 1: all of the things you can kind of never get
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Speaker 1: too comfortable, especially like starting off the bat where you're like,
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Speaker 1: this is not, it's not a paid friendship thing. Like
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Speaker 1: that's not Like don't be so comfortable.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And vice versa. Like bosses shouldn't be so comfortable. Like
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Speaker 1: no one should be so comfortable.
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Speaker 4: Well, it seems like you guys have the perfect balance.
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Speaker 4: So this makes me very happy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Because obviously after like years of working together too,
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Speaker 3: it's not like we're going to be like cold emailing
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Speaker 3: each other all the time, you know?
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Speaker 1: No. And he'll like.
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Speaker 3: We chit chat, we banter, all the things.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: He'll be like, get your shit together. You know what
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Speaker 1: I mean? Like he'll hound my ass. And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I kind of need that.
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Speaker 3: I do have to double text her a lot.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah that's good I'm off the grid it's nice
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Speaker 4: to have an assistant who feels comfortable to be assertive
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Speaker 4: when other assistants might be scared being like I don't
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Speaker 4: want to bother her or oh.
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Speaker 1: No he'll be like if you don't respond to me
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Speaker 1: I'm coming to your house by noon.
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Speaker 3: Yeah I do I threaten her with more.
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Speaker 1: Work I'm coming over and I'm going to make you
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Speaker 1: do this if you don't send it to me and
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Speaker 1: I'm like Got it. Copy.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what I need.
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Speaker 1: It is what I need, actually. It's very helpful.
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Speaker 2: It's amazing.
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Speaker 4: So Jackie, you have reported, we were just saying, what,
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Speaker 4: over 700 something podcast episodes?
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Speaker 3: More.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Insane.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Walk me through your earlier career before you started Bitch Bible.
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Speaker 4: I'm so curious how you got started.
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Speaker 1: I mean, career feels.
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Speaker 1: Generous. I worked as mostly a production assistant. So I
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Speaker 1: worked at Chelsea Lately. I worked at After Lately. I
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Speaker 1: worked on a bunch of Chelsea Handler's like pilots that
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Speaker 1: she was producing.
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Speaker 2: I just saw her in Santa Barbara two weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: Oh, did you?
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Speaker 4: Yes. Oh yeah.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to go to that, but you know, I've
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Speaker 1: got a situation. And she just like won't come on
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Speaker 1: my podcast. So I'm very bitter about it. It's crazy.
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Speaker 1: She'll go on. She goes on everyone's podcast. She won't
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Speaker 1: come on mine. It's fine. I walked your dog, whatever. Um,
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Speaker 1: so I did that. I worked at extra and I mean,
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Speaker 1: I was kind of just a PA for a really
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Speaker 1: long time. I didn't have a lot of direction. Um,
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Speaker 1: I didn't go to college. I didn't have a goal.
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Speaker 1: I didn't have a dream. I was just a production
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Speaker 1: assistant because that's what was offered to me.
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Speaker 4: How did you get the job as a production assistant
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Speaker 4: having not gone to school? How did you know who
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Speaker 4: to contact and how did you apply?
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Speaker 1: It was a very different time.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So I lied about being a broadcast journalism major at UCLA.
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Speaker 1: I was never enrolled at UCLA. I didn't graduate high school,
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Speaker 1: quite frankly. So to say that I even, I enrolled
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Speaker 1: in one UCLA extension course so that I was able
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Speaker 1: to get an internship. And through that, I got an
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Speaker 1: internship with Warner Brothers or, yeah, it was Warner Brothers.
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Speaker 1: And I got placed at Extra and I worked there
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Speaker 1: and I lied and said that I was graduating as
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Speaker 1: a broadcast journalism major. Lied about my age, lied about,
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Speaker 1: it was so different back then. There was no like
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Speaker 1: digital footprint. I didn't have to submit documents. It was
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Speaker 1: all just like, you know, we'll take your word for it.
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Speaker 1: And Extra was like off the main Warner Brothers lot.
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Speaker 1: It's a huge company. Like they didn't do their due diligence, obviously.
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Speaker 1: So I rolled into Extra, them thinking I was 21, 22,
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Speaker 1: broadcast journalism major at UCLA when in reality I was
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Speaker 1: like 19 years old, not enrolled in school at all,
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Speaker 1: had no high school diploma. It's all really good stuff.
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Speaker 2: But go-getter. You were go-getter.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know if I can claim that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, you can.
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think I was just like,
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Speaker 1: let's just see how this pans out, you know? And
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Speaker 1: I had nowhere else to be because I didn't have
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Speaker 1: any schooling. So I was there Monday through Friday, you know,
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Speaker 1: at that internship program. And I was good. Like I
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Speaker 1: kind of knew how to... I wouldn't say I was
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Speaker 1: like the best intern or with the most like work ethic.
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Speaker 3: Josh laughs.
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Speaker 1: He's like, no, we know, bitch. But I was there
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Speaker 1: every day and I made myself like very much so
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Speaker 1: a presence on the floor. You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: And I bro-ed down with who I needed to bro-ed
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Speaker 1: down with.
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Speaker 3: And I remember.
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Speaker 1: the executive producer's assistant was going on vacation for a
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Speaker 1: few weeks or whatever. And I always had like pretty
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Speaker 1: good communication skills. I was great at writing emails. I
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Speaker 1: was good in that kind of a role. So they
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Speaker 1: had me sit in for her for a few weeks
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Speaker 1: and they thought I was graduating that year. So they
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Speaker 1: offered me a job and I took it. And then
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Speaker 1: when I met with HR, they were like, Oh, they
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Speaker 1: got my license. They're like, bitch, you're 19. Like you're
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Speaker 1: not 22. You're not graduating. But I was in too
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Speaker 1: deep at that point. And everybody liked me, which was
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Speaker 1: like the secret sauce. I wasn't the best worker.
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Speaker 2: Personality hire.
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Speaker 1: 100% personality hire. But I was easy to work with.
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Speaker 1: And I could like anticipate kind of what people needed
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Speaker 1: and not be annoying and just get shit done. Not
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Speaker 1: the best, but enough to like exist in the space.
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Speaker 1: And that's basically how I got started. I got hired
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Speaker 1: at Extra. I did like a web, I was like
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Speaker 1: a web editor. I did all like the fashion slideshow things.
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Speaker 1: This is a million years ago. And then I would
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Speaker 1: do just like executive assistant work. And then I got
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Speaker 1: bored and went to Chelsea Lately. Amazing.
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Speaker 2: So you were an EA too?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 4: And now having your own assistant, what has it taught
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Speaker 4: you having been the assistant?
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Speaker 1: Um, I think, I mean, Josh can speak to this too.
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Speaker 1: I am someone that like, I just want to be
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Speaker 1: left alone. Do you know what I mean? Like I
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Speaker 1: really am. I don't do busy work. Like there's no
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Speaker 1: busy work. I like busy work. I like to toodle.
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Speaker 1: I like to do returns. Like we're not doing any
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Speaker 1: of that stuff. Basically when I decided to get an assistant,
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Speaker 1: it was very much so like a time management thing
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Speaker 1: and an efficiency thing. Cause I had just had a baby.
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Speaker 1: And I wanted to just focus on what I can
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Speaker 1: do really well, which is podcasting. All the minutia that
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Speaker 1: goes into that, I go so hard off the grid,
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Speaker 1: like so off the grid. I am not plugged into
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Speaker 1: anyone or anything ever unless I'm on this microphone. Like
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Speaker 1: I very much so find like the greatest luxury of
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Speaker 1: life is for me just being like, I just want
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Speaker 1: to go to the market. I'm so in or I'm
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Speaker 1: so fucking out that just kind of making sure I'm
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Speaker 1: in the game in any capacity to sustain my lifestyle,
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Speaker 1: that's where Josh really thrives. So I don't need a
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Speaker 1: bunch of, I don't like a lot of questions.
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Speaker 4: I feel.
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Speaker 1: I'm realizing this now. When I was an assistant, I
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Speaker 1: was the type of assistant that I would have wanted.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I just handled shit. People
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Speaker 1: will say there's no such thing as a stupid question.
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Speaker 1: I think most questions are really fucking stupid. So I
16:46
Speaker 1: would rather... see someone be resourceful, efficient, and anticipate someone's needs.
16:53
Speaker 1: And even if they fuck it up, like I appreciate
16:55
Speaker 1: that type of dynamic way more than checking in all
17:00
Speaker 1: the time. You know what I mean? Like I'm just
17:01
Speaker 1: not a hovercraft like that. So yeah, being an assistant,
17:07
Speaker 1: I think I really understand just like wasting people's time.
17:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
17:14
Speaker 4: Yeah.
17:14
Speaker 1: If that makes sense.
17:15
Speaker 2: It does. I think I'm similar to you.
17:17
Speaker 4: I feel like in the beginning of an assistant job,
17:21
Speaker 4: it takes a minute for you to get into your
17:22
Speaker 4: groove with your boss. But once you're in your flow,
17:25
Speaker 4: I'm sure for you, Josh, you were like, okay, it
17:28
Speaker 4: feels like you were doing a lot of observing. And
17:32
Speaker 4: once you learned Jackie's, you know, the way she moved
17:36
Speaker 4: throughout her day, you probably were like, okay, I feel
17:39
Speaker 4: like she would rather have me do this. Like you
17:40
Speaker 4: must have had very good social cues to pick up on.
17:43
Speaker 1: It's the most important thing, reading the room and reading
17:46
Speaker 1: the person and just being like, you know, sometimes as
17:50
Speaker 1: an assistant, you know, the person's stressed and needs a
17:53
Speaker 1: lot of like babysitting and like emotional management. And are
17:56
Speaker 1: you okay? And like, you have to really, it really is.
18:00
Speaker 1: It's like psychological.
18:01
Speaker 2: It's a science you have to study.
18:03
Speaker 1: Where you have to kind of like read someone's rhythm.
18:07
Speaker 1: And I feel like you can only learn how to
18:09
Speaker 1: do that if you are an assistant. And then therefore-
18:12
Speaker 1: the trickle down effect is pretty good. You know what
18:15
Speaker 1: I mean? Because you're not a fucking nightmare. Because believe me,
18:19
Speaker 1: I did that. I experienced that.
18:21
Speaker 2: Yeah.
18:21
Speaker 3: It was really funny because when we started for the first,
18:25
Speaker 3: I would say for the first couple of months, I
18:26
Speaker 3: honestly was like, does Jackie hate me? She is avoiding
18:31
Speaker 3: all of my messages. Is she regretting hiring an assistant?
18:35
Speaker 3: Does she wish it was someone else? Am I not
18:36
Speaker 3: doing a good job? And it wasn't until Clyde's birthday party,
18:41
Speaker 3: I think it was, like a couple months in that
18:42
Speaker 3: I met a bunch of her.
18:43
Speaker 2: Not speaking clues with company Clyde.
18:45
Speaker 3: Right, right, right. Son Clyde, not company Clyde. That I
18:49
Speaker 3: met a bunch of her extended family and they were
18:51
Speaker 3: all like, oh my gosh, Jackie has said such wonderful
18:53
Speaker 3: things about you. She loves you so much. And I
18:55
Speaker 3: was like, really? And that's when I realized that like,
19:00
Speaker 3: she wasn't avoiding me for me. She was avoiding me
19:03
Speaker 3: because I was the physical embodiment of work. Yes. That
19:07
Speaker 3: she didn't want to do. So that's why she was
19:10
Speaker 3: avoiding me. So speaking to what you were saying about
19:12
Speaker 3: kind of like getting into the flow and the rhythm,
19:14
Speaker 3: I think that was a big turning point for me.
19:18
Speaker 3: And yeah, I definitely think that her experience as an
19:20
Speaker 3: assistant made my life a lot easier because not only
19:24
Speaker 3: did she understand like what the role entailed, but she also,
19:26
Speaker 3: I feel like knew what from doing it she didn't
19:29
Speaker 3: like and where you can take advantage of an assistant
19:34
Speaker 3: more effectively. And so like for me, like she gave
19:36
Speaker 3: me so much creative control that I don't think I
19:38
Speaker 3: would have had with a lot of other people and
19:40
Speaker 3: like a lot of trust, which that was great. Cause
19:42
Speaker 3: a lot of it, she was just kind of like,
19:43
Speaker 3: I have this idea, like run fly, be free and
19:45
Speaker 3: then show me the final product. And like, yeah, that
19:48
Speaker 3: was great. Yeah.
19:49
Speaker 1: And it worked great. I mean, honestly, I like, I,
19:52
Speaker 1: I knew that he could do it. You know what
19:54
Speaker 1: I mean? And from the jump, like with the newsletter,
19:59
Speaker 1: with even like copy, like captions on Instagram and he
20:04
Speaker 1: has like a very deep understanding of what's important to
20:07
Speaker 1: me and what I don't give a fuck about. And
20:09
Speaker 1: he navigates that very beautifully. Like it takes a very
20:14
Speaker 1: specific type of person, for example, because I do really
20:18
Speaker 1: unplug and I give kind of little to no fucks
20:21
Speaker 1: about almost everything. But like if we have to post
20:26
Speaker 1: like a ad or a static, like a something on
20:30
Speaker 1: Instagram or He knows that deep in my colon, I
20:34
Speaker 1: care so much about like fonts and colors and aesthetics,
20:39
Speaker 1: not for curation purposes. Let me be so clear. I
20:42
Speaker 1: do not care about like my, you know, what is it?
20:44
Speaker 1: My flat layer, my grid aesthetic. I don't care about that.
20:47
Speaker 1: But in my soul, the fact like I care about
20:50
Speaker 1: like the font of a cocktail napkin that I would
20:52
Speaker 1: serve at a four person dinner party. Like I care
20:56
Speaker 1: about those things so severely. That he will know that
21:00
Speaker 1: if I'm contractually obligated to post a static image, he
21:06
Speaker 1: will know that I'm not going to like the font
21:09
Speaker 1: of what they've provided. And therefore, he will change the font,
21:13
Speaker 1: change the colors. He knows aesthetically that just for sport,
21:19
Speaker 1: I'm not going to like how that looks. And he'll
21:20
Speaker 1: change it because he knows that I'm going to hate
21:23
Speaker 1: that font. And I'm going to hate the purple. And
21:25
Speaker 1: I'm going to hate whatever it is. And like, how
21:28
Speaker 1: do you teach someone that? Like the crazy, by the way,
21:31
Speaker 1: it's like Stockholm-y. Like the crazy has seeped into him
21:34
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, she's not gonna like that font
21:37
Speaker 1: or she's not gonna like that exclamation mark or she's
21:39
Speaker 1: not gonna like that emoji. You know what I mean?
21:41
Speaker 1: Like it's something that you just kind of can't instruct
21:46
Speaker 1: or teach. It's just like a clicked in thing.
21:50
Speaker 2: Josh, what made you think to do these things?
21:52
Speaker 3: Well, I think just like starting out, we have like
21:55
Speaker 3: a pretty similar sense of humor, honestly, where it's just like,
21:58
Speaker 3: it's dumb. Like it's not, it's so unserious. Like it's so,
22:06
Speaker 3: so unserious. Like right now we're going into Jackie's annual
22:10
Speaker 3: off-brand October month, which is where we just put out
22:13
Speaker 3: like a bunch of content that is as antithetical to
22:16
Speaker 3: everything that Jackie actually believes in as possible. And she
22:18
Speaker 3: goes like full, like horrifying wellness influencer. Uh, yeah.
22:23
Speaker 1: Wide brim hats. You're going to die when I send
22:26
Speaker 1: you the picture of the shoes I bought for the
22:28
Speaker 1: teaser video.
22:29
Speaker 3: Oh, I saw them in your Amazon.
22:30
Speaker 1: Oh, you did with the block heel. Crazy, crazy.
22:34
Speaker 3: And so it's just like a shit like that, where
22:35
Speaker 3: we just both run with it so naturally. And it's
22:39
Speaker 3: just like, like, I feel like we end up one
22:41
Speaker 3: upping each other on like stupid ideas. Like I said,
22:43
Speaker 3: we're like a draft of the newsletter and the whole
22:44
Speaker 3: thing's in comic sans. And she's like, perfect. Like, like,
22:49
Speaker 3: This is excellent.
22:51
Speaker 1: It's like those little details that are just so fun
22:55
Speaker 1: for both of us. Like we, it's so funny and
22:58
Speaker 1: it's so stupid.
23:00
Speaker 3: It's so stupid.
23:02
Speaker 4: Yeah. I love all of this so much. I mean,
23:04
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, it's like, you're not
23:06
Speaker 4: saving the world.
23:06
Speaker 2: You're having fun.
23:07
Speaker 4: You're like doing, you're, you're podcasting and you're like doing
23:12
Speaker 4: brand deals and having fun.
23:13
Speaker 3: Like, yeah.
23:14
Speaker 4: Yeah. So to bring some light or levity into the
23:17
Speaker 4: workday is very important.
23:19
Speaker 3: Good answer. A little bit of joy to everyone.
23:21
Speaker 1: Just a sliver of levity. Dark times.
23:24
Speaker 3: What is more important than entertainment?
23:26
Speaker 1: God, it's so true.
23:27
Speaker 2: If you can't have fun doing it, what's the point?
23:30
Speaker 1: No, totally. I'm having a blast. I love doing this shit.
23:35
Speaker 1: I mean, it's ridiculous. And I just get such a
23:37
Speaker 1: kick out of people who take it so seriously.
23:40
Speaker 4: I know.
23:40
Speaker 1: That like really gives me a gay old chuckle. I'm like,
23:44
Speaker 1: you're kidding, right? Like you're joking. Like the crying into
23:46
Speaker 1: the tripod. Can't, can't participate, but like love it from
23:50
Speaker 1: a distance.
23:51
Speaker 3: I agree.
23:51
Speaker 4: So how often are you guys recording and how often
23:55
Speaker 4: are you sending out the newsletter?
23:56
Speaker 3: Weekly. Okay.
23:57
Speaker 1: So I'll do, I do two for now. I do
24:01
Speaker 1: two original episodes a week and then we do a newsletter,
24:05
Speaker 1: which Josh fully spearheads and all the video assets, which
24:09
Speaker 1: he fully spearheads. And then we do a classics episode
24:15
Speaker 1: every other week.
24:16
Speaker 3: Once a month.
24:17
Speaker 1: Oh, there we go.
24:17
Speaker 3: Okay.
24:18
Speaker 1: Once a month. Thank you. That's good to know. Really?
24:21
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's once a month now.
24:22
Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay. I thought it was every other week.
24:24
Speaker 1: Good to know. And Josh spearheads that as well. Because
24:29
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not listening to old episodes. I don't
24:31
Speaker 1: want to know. It's really like an ignorance is bliss
24:33
Speaker 1: type of thing. I'm like, I don't even want these
24:36
Speaker 1: out in the universe. But if they have to be,
24:38
Speaker 1: just make sure I didn't say anything that's totally going
24:41
Speaker 1: to get me canceled. And just let it. Don't talk
24:44
Speaker 1: to me about it.
24:45
Speaker 3: I don't want to know.
24:46
Speaker 2: What are the classics episodes?
24:48
Speaker 1: Well, when you have... you know, 4 million episodes and
24:51
Speaker 1: a backyard renovation, we really just got to like bleed
24:54
Speaker 1: that ad money dry. So we just regurgitate an old
24:58
Speaker 1: episode that probably should never see the light of day
25:02
Speaker 1: and then put new ads in it and basically just
25:05
Speaker 1: sell my soul on Saturdays for an extra episode for
25:09
Speaker 1: ad revenue.
25:10
Speaker 2: That must be fun to listen back to.
25:12
Speaker 1: No, I don't listen back. No, I can't listen back.
25:14
Speaker 3: You don't?
25:15
Speaker 1: No, no, no. He'll once in a while like text
25:17
Speaker 1: me something being like, hey, you said this about this person.
25:21
Speaker 1: Should we cut it out? That's another thing he's really
25:24
Speaker 1: good at. He can understand like without judgment that, you know,
25:29
Speaker 1: something I said maybe like 13 years ago doesn't really
25:33
Speaker 1: fare well in 2026. So he'll say like, do you like,
25:38
Speaker 1: we're going to put this episode out, but you said
25:40
Speaker 1: this and you kind of know this person now and dah, dah, dah, dah.
25:43
Speaker 1: He'll like put it enough together where I'm like, yeah,
25:45
Speaker 1: maybe we should cut that.
25:47
Speaker 2: Good for you, Josh.
25:48
Speaker 3: Thank you.
25:48
Speaker 2: It's very important work.
25:49
Speaker 3: I have a lot of fun listening to the episodes
25:51
Speaker 3: from like 2016 because Jackie was a very different Jackie
25:54
Speaker 3: in 2016. It was really bad.
25:55
Speaker 2: I'm going to go back and listen to it.
25:57
Speaker 1: Don't ever do it.
25:58
Speaker 3: Go, if I have to recommend one, go and find
26:01
Speaker 3: her episode where she interviews Cardi B. Dark. Before Cardi
26:05
Speaker 3: B was even like Cardi B also. Oh, yeah. She
26:08
Speaker 3: was on Love & Hip Hop at the time.
26:09
Speaker 4: How'd you get her before she wasn't Cardi B?
26:13
Speaker 3: Okay, so.
26:15
Speaker 1: When I started my podcast, I had a production company
26:20
Speaker 1: that basically like found me on the internet because I
26:23
Speaker 1: was just like being a dumb bitch, like tweeting and
26:26
Speaker 1: writing articles or whatever. And it was really housewives oriented.
26:30
Speaker 1: And one of the producers from Watch What Happens Live
26:33
Speaker 1: found it because somebody tweeted it. You know, whatever. This
26:37
Speaker 1: is a million years ago. And they brought me to
26:41
Speaker 1: New York to do Watch What Happens Live as a bartender.
26:44
Speaker 1: I was a receptionist at the time. So you can
26:47
Speaker 1: imagine I was like, I'm going to New York like crazy.
26:50
Speaker 1: And they signed me to do a podcast. And they
26:55
Speaker 1: were starting a podcast network. I think it was kind
26:57
Speaker 1: of the blueprint for Radio Andy at the time. because
27:00
Speaker 1: they were formulating, they had just done a deal with Sirius.
27:03
Speaker 1: They were trying to like formulate Radio Andy. They brought
27:06
Speaker 1: in like a lot of digital talent. They were trying
27:08
Speaker 1: to do this podcast network. It was very much so
27:11
Speaker 1: like using their resources and trying to format my podcast
27:14
Speaker 1: as like a television show. So through the production company,
27:19
Speaker 1: they did all my guest booking. So I was basically
27:22
Speaker 1: getting like housewives, Bravo people, Cardi B, like Anyone on
27:28
Speaker 1: their roster that like didn't make it to watch what
27:31
Speaker 1: happens live, like ended up on my podcast basically.
27:34
Speaker 3: It was incredible.
27:34
Speaker 1: It was amazing because I had no preexisting platform. So
27:38
Speaker 1: I just, I went from like a reception desk to like,
27:41
Speaker 1: you know, a D-list Oprah Winfrey with fucking Cardi B.
27:44
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't even know what we're
27:46
Speaker 1: doing here. I don't even know what a podcast is.
27:48
Speaker 1: Like what's going on?
27:49
Speaker 2: And now look at you.
27:50
Speaker 1: Well, it worked out, but yeah. So I had Cardi
27:53
Speaker 1: B when she was on, she was just about to
27:55
Speaker 1: leave love and hip hop. And I think she had
27:58
Speaker 1: already recorded like Bodak Yellow.
28:01
Speaker 3: Wow.
28:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:03
Speaker 2: I love her. I think she's a hoot.
28:05
Speaker 1: Oh, she's a star.
28:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
28:07
Speaker 1: And I was doing this like weird trope at the
28:09
Speaker 1: beginning of podcasting where I was like trying to do
28:12
Speaker 1: the like babe walker, like white girl problem, like valley girl,
28:17
Speaker 1: like schtick, which was so stupid because I was like
28:22
Speaker 1: living in my– Then boyfriend, now husband's apartment with like
28:26
Speaker 1: bars on our windows with no car and like no job.
28:29
Speaker 1: And I was like trying to be like this person
28:33
Speaker 1: because I thought that's what was like going to play.
28:36
Speaker 1: And then that died out pretty quickly. But it's pretty bad.
28:39
Speaker 4: Were you nervous sitting down with all those people when
28:42
Speaker 4: you were just starting off in podcasting?
28:44
Speaker 3: No. No.
28:48
Speaker 1: I had such– balls. And I had, by the way,
28:53
Speaker 1: when you have nothing else going on and you've already
28:56
Speaker 1: failed at everything, like what's, what's another notch on the
29:01
Speaker 1: old belt? Like I, I was painfully delusionally confident and
29:07
Speaker 1: I was so bad at it too. Like I was
29:09
Speaker 1: really bad. I always get the timeline wrong because when
29:12
Speaker 1: I started podcasting, when I signed my deal, my first deal,
29:17
Speaker 1: which is generous, um, I podcasted for like a year
29:22
Speaker 1: and they never published any of those episodes because they
29:25
Speaker 1: were so bad that they were like training me to
29:28
Speaker 1: be a podcaster. And then they got one that was
29:31
Speaker 1: like kind of salvageable and then that was the first episode.
29:34
Speaker 3: Wow.
29:35
Speaker 1: But I podcasted for a year. It was like podcast training.
29:37
Speaker 2: That's crazy. And what made you want to keep going?
29:41
Speaker 1: I had no other options. I had nothing else in
29:44
Speaker 1: the pipeline. You know what I mean? So it was
29:46
Speaker 1: like go to Craigslist and get a rando job or
29:51
Speaker 1: just like see if I can finagle this. And it
29:53
Speaker 1: was like they had flown me to New York. I
29:55
Speaker 1: met Andy Cohen. It was all like very– It was
29:59
Speaker 1: the only thing that with a glimmer of hope happening
30:02
Speaker 1: in my life. So I had to kind of like
30:05
Speaker 1: go with it. Yeah. You know?
30:07
Speaker 4: And for having the attitude of being a delusional optimist,
30:10
Speaker 4: which I've been called that too.
30:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:13
Speaker 4: What was the turning point where you were like, this
30:15
Speaker 4: is going to work?
30:17
Speaker 1: I don't, honestly, it was, once again, I had no
30:20
Speaker 1: other options and I knew that I could get good
30:25
Speaker 1: at it. And now my only skill set was like
30:28
Speaker 1: talking and like people skills. So if I could just
30:32
Speaker 1: figure out what a podcast was and how to like
30:35
Speaker 1: kind of pop it off. And to be honest, there
30:38
Speaker 1: were no podcasts at the time. Spotify didn't exist. There
30:42
Speaker 1: were no categories. There were like four shows. So week one,
30:47
Speaker 1: I was charting. Your girl was charting. Not because I
30:51
Speaker 1: deserved it, but because there were quite literally no other shows.
30:54
Speaker 1: So I remember the first week, I put it out.
30:57
Speaker 1: I went on Watch What Happens Live again. And I
31:00
Speaker 1: remember being like number three on the podcast charts on
31:04
Speaker 1: iTunes or whatever it was at the time.
31:06
Speaker 3: Well, you beat one of them then.
31:08
Speaker 1: I beat like one person. And I was like, oh
31:12
Speaker 1: my God, I've done it. I'm amazing. I'm a star.
31:15
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? But then it's like, okay,
31:18
Speaker 1: you do one episode, then you do 10 episodes, then
31:20
Speaker 1: you do 100 episodes. How are we going to keep
31:22
Speaker 1: this going? And I think... Once I started getting like
31:27
Speaker 1: recognition from, I mean, this is down the line, maybe
31:30
Speaker 1: like a year or two into it when people that
31:34
Speaker 1: I had watched on television were like, oh my God,
31:37
Speaker 1: I love your podcast. I was like, maybe I have
31:39
Speaker 1: like something working here. Like this is working. And I,
31:44
Speaker 1: once again, no other options. So had to kind of
31:48
Speaker 1: just like fully lean in and be like, this is
31:50
Speaker 1: what I do and this is who I am. And
31:53
Speaker 1: I'm really bad at it.
31:55
Speaker 2: You're so good at it.
31:56
Speaker 4: I mean, doing solo episodes is so much pressure and
31:59
Speaker 4: you do that twice a week?
32:02
Speaker 1: Most weeks, yeah. I mean, I barely ever have guests.
32:04
Speaker 1: I find guests to be more challenging. They kind of
32:06
Speaker 1: like break up my flow.
32:08
Speaker 4: Really? I mean, I've done a version of a solo
32:12
Speaker 4: episode and I mostly have guests and I like it
32:16
Speaker 4: better this way because it's mostly the same script for me.
32:19
Speaker 2: It's really clients and assistants coming on or.
32:23
Speaker 4: people in the industry who have assistants or team members
32:25
Speaker 4: to talk about working in entertainment or an adjacent industry,
32:29
Speaker 4: how you got your start and really advice for the
32:33
Speaker 4: younger generation, which I love talking about because I feel
32:36
Speaker 4: like when you and I were younger, we worked our
32:40
Speaker 4: asses off and that's just not the vibe these days.
32:43
Speaker 2: No, it's not the vibe.
32:45
Speaker 1: It's really wild. I'm like, what is going on?
32:48
Speaker 3: Yeah.
32:48
Speaker 1: Like, do you know like what we did and didn't
32:52
Speaker 1: say ethnic? thing about it like I've got stories and
32:56
Speaker 1: they're not traumatizing stories that's just how it was like
33:01
Speaker 1: and it yeah it's definitely they've gone soft on us it's.
33:05
Speaker 4: Crazy I mean I with no disrespect to the younger
33:08
Speaker 4: generation I want to disrespect them a little bit it's
33:11
Speaker 4: just as a recruiter also sure them coming to me
33:15
Speaker 4: asking for a job and for a 100k salary with
33:20
Speaker 4: a month post-grad you're like Huh?
33:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, no.
33:24
Speaker 4: That took me years to get to 100K. You've got
33:27
Speaker 4: to start way below that. And you have to do
33:29
Speaker 4: it with a smile on your face or you're not
33:31
Speaker 4: going to get anywhere.
33:32
Speaker 1: Totally.
33:32
Speaker 2: And they won't.
33:33
Speaker 1: Totally.
33:33
Speaker 4: Then they don't answer text messages or emails past 5 p.m.
33:37
Speaker 4: Or if the contract says 9 to 5, then it
33:40
Speaker 4: gets adjusted 9 to 6.
33:41
Speaker 2: They're like, wait, why was that.
33:42
Speaker 3: Extra hour added? Oh my God. It's crazy.
33:45
Speaker 1: We were just so happy to have jobs. I was
33:48
Speaker 1: so happy to have like any form of income, like
33:52
Speaker 1: especially in entertainment. Like that was so wild to me.
33:55
Speaker 1: Like I was, when I was an intern, first of all,
33:57
Speaker 1: there was no paid internships. That was not a thing
33:59
Speaker 1: when I- Oh my God.
34:00
Speaker 2: I did three summers of unpaid internships.
34:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, no.
34:03
Speaker 4: And then I would work a retail job after my
34:06
Speaker 4: fashion internship down the street because I had no money.
34:09
Speaker 3: No, same.
34:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. I worked at the Fred Siegel jewelry counter- right
34:13
Speaker 1: when I got done with Chelsea or whatever. And if
34:17
Speaker 1: you had to wait, I would wait for those tapes.
34:19
Speaker 1: I was a tape runner. So I would have to
34:21
Speaker 1: wait for the tapes to run back to the network.
34:24
Speaker 1: I could have been there 11 PM. Like I was
34:28
Speaker 1: there just waiting for a tape. And if I, if
34:31
Speaker 1: I ever like had a, an engagement, like I had
34:34
Speaker 1: like a, a date of this, of that, Do you
34:37
Speaker 1: think that I would ever go to my supervisor and
34:40
Speaker 1: be like, hey, the tape was supposed to be ready
34:42
Speaker 1: by six. It's eight and I have plans. Oh, that
34:45
Speaker 1: was never.
34:46
Speaker 4: No.
34:46
Speaker 1: Oh my God. I don't have plans.
34:48
Speaker 2: I don't have a life.
34:50
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Never, never. Like you really just
34:53
Speaker 1: were so lucky. I'm not saying it's right, but that's
34:56
Speaker 1: just what we did.
34:57
Speaker 3: Correct.
34:58
Speaker 2: And we didn't really question it. We're like, this is
35:00
Speaker 2: just the way that it is.
35:01
Speaker 3: No.
35:02
Speaker 1: Yes. And I'm lucky to be here.
35:04
Speaker 3: Yeah.
35:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.
35:05
Speaker 1: So yes, I'll walk your dog.
35:06
Speaker 3: How old are you, Josh? 29.
35:07
Speaker 4: Okay.
35:08
Speaker 2: So you're not, you're Gen Z?
35:10
Speaker 3: I'm Gen Z. I'm the first year of Gen Z.
35:12
Speaker 2: But you're not really Gen Z. You don't give that.
35:15
Speaker 3: That's so sweet. Thank you. I mean, I, you know,
35:17
Speaker 3: I want to hold on to as much of like
35:18
Speaker 3: the youth of it as possible, but like, I'm not
35:20
Speaker 3: on TikTok other than running Jackie's TikTok. Yeah.
35:23
Speaker 4: Right. Do you find with your peers, there's this big
35:25
Speaker 4: theme of not wanting to work or.
35:28
Speaker 2: What is it being?
35:29
Speaker 1: Real emphasis on self-care. Am I right? Like what is,
35:33
Speaker 1: that's something that's earned.
35:35
Speaker 3: I think it's like it's hard to say because obviously
35:38
Speaker 3: like I am only around a certain group of people.
35:42
Speaker 3: So like I know that this is a trend is
35:44
Speaker 3: like a greater thing. But like me and like my
35:46
Speaker 3: close people are definitely like hustlers and go getters, you know.
35:49
Speaker 3: So Josh went to Brown. Jackie loves that I went
35:52
Speaker 3: to Brown. I love that. I think that was a
35:54
Speaker 3: big selling point for why.
35:55
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.
35:55
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my God, Brown? Just from someone who
35:59
Speaker 1: didn't graduate high school, like that's exciting for me.
36:01
Speaker 3: I'm like, whoa.
36:01
Speaker 2: It's very impressive.
36:02
Speaker 1: Smart.
36:03
Speaker 4: Thank you.
36:03
Speaker 2: I have a lot of friends who went to Brown
36:05
Speaker 2: and loved it.
36:05
Speaker 3: It was a great school. I think it's so funny
36:07
Speaker 3: now how, obviously I'll take it because it's helpful, but
36:11
Speaker 3: it's very funny how much people are impressed by something
36:14
Speaker 3: I did when I was like 18. I was like, yeah,
36:16
Speaker 3: I was good at like this.
36:16
Speaker 2: Getting into an Ivy League school is very impressive.
36:19
Speaker 1: Hello.
36:19
Speaker 3: Hello.
36:20
Speaker 1: Yeah. I could never, never.
36:23
Speaker 3: But listen, now you have one working for you. So
36:27
Speaker 3: who won at the end of the day? The one
36:28
Speaker 3: with the degree or the one?
36:30
Speaker 1: I don't know. Saying you went to Brown is pretty cool.
36:33
Speaker 1: You should bust that out more.
36:34
Speaker 4: But you didn't go to Brown and now you're the
36:36
Speaker 4: successful podcaster entrepreneur with your own assistant.
36:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I just got lucky. You know what I mean?
36:41
Speaker 1: Like I don't really take a lot of credit for that.
36:45
Speaker 1: I try not to.
36:47
Speaker 3: You should.
36:48
Speaker 1: Thank you.
36:48
Speaker 3: But on the hustle of Gen Z and people my age, yeah,
36:54
Speaker 3: I think.
36:56
Speaker 3: I do think that there's an expectation now that people
36:58
Speaker 3: will get to the end result a lot quicker. They
37:01
Speaker 3: want the end result sooner. And I think on one hand...
37:08
Speaker 3: Asking your bosses and asking employers for more reasonable expectations
37:13
Speaker 3: around work is a fair thing. But I do also
37:15
Speaker 3: think that expecting too much too soon is definitely not helpful.
37:19
Speaker 3: And you do kind of have to pay your dues
37:22
Speaker 3: a little bit. A lot of bit, to be honest.
37:25
Speaker 4: I think you just hit on something really important. A
37:27
Speaker 4: lot of people I come across who just graduate... They
37:32
Speaker 4: want to do an assistant job for one year, and
37:33
Speaker 4: then they want to be a producer or a director.
37:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. And in my head, I think, okay.
37:39
Speaker 1: I want to be a supermodel, but guess what? Like,
37:41
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen for me. So, like, there's
37:44
Speaker 1: a lot of emphasis on, like, if you can think it,
37:47
Speaker 1: you can do it. And this is coming from a
37:49
Speaker 1: delusional person. I don't know if it's an internet thing
37:52
Speaker 1: where everyone– everyone appears to be living very lavishly and
37:57
Speaker 1: then therefore like people think it's everything's so attainable and
38:01
Speaker 1: instantaneous or whatever. But there has to be a moment
38:06
Speaker 1: in time where everybody collectively looks inward and really thinks,
38:10
Speaker 1: what am I able to do here? And what seems
38:14
Speaker 1: feasible and what seems fair and what seems just like tangible?
38:18
Speaker 1: Because everyone's dreaming real big, okay? And it's enough, right?
38:24
Speaker 3: I think it also is.
38:26
Speaker 1: Josh is like, anyways.
38:27
Speaker 3: No, I mean like it's an age thing for sure.
38:31
Speaker 3: Because like at 23, did I think I was going
38:33
Speaker 3: to be a star? Of course. Did I know what
38:35
Speaker 3: that was?
38:35
Speaker 1: No.
38:36
Speaker 3: Did I still think I was just going to be
38:37
Speaker 3: generally a star? Absolutely. So like.
38:40
Speaker 1: And you are a star. You are.
38:42
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. But you know, yeah. Now it's
38:45
Speaker 3: like I've been through the majority of my 20s.
38:47
Speaker 2: But you put in the work in your 20s. Totally.
38:49
Speaker 4: And you're not expecting an immediate result. You're still an
38:52
Speaker 4: assistant assistant. chief of staff at 29. And I think
38:56
Speaker 4: a lot of people would have hung up the towel
38:58
Speaker 4: at 25 and say, and said, I don't want to
39:01
Speaker 4: do the assistant work anymore.
39:03
Speaker 2: I'm 25, you know?
39:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
39:04
Speaker 3: I think that's a fair, like for people that work
39:08
Speaker 3: in assisting roles that also have their own creative aspirations,
39:12
Speaker 3: which I think to an extent is kind of, It
39:15
Speaker 3: can be a faux pas depending. Jackie's been great. Cause
39:17
Speaker 3: like I do my own creative stuff and like Jackie
39:20
Speaker 3: knows that.
39:20
Speaker 1: He's a dancer and a painter and I love it.
39:23
Speaker 3: I do both of those things.
39:25
Speaker 1: Really well too.
39:26
Speaker 3: Thank you.
39:26
Speaker 1: Like not in a way that's embarrassing where I'm like,
39:29
Speaker 1: give up on your job. like on a real in
39:31
Speaker 1: a real way.
39:31
Speaker 3: If it was embarrassing like I wouldn't have hired me
39:33
Speaker 3: either I think.
39:34
Speaker 1: Self-awareness yeah having someone that yeah top of the resume
39:37
Speaker 1: self-awareness For real.
39:40
Speaker 3: Nothing more embarrassing than being, like, bad at your creative career. Like,
39:43
Speaker 3: when people say, like, oh, 90% of, like, actors or
39:46
Speaker 3: whatever don't make it, it's because 90% of them are, like,
39:48
Speaker 3: really dumb and not good at it.
39:50
Speaker 1: Totally.
39:50
Speaker 2: Agree.
39:52
Speaker 3: Totally. I think that, like, having... Just, like, having creative
39:57
Speaker 3: aspirations and, like, having creative careers, like, at this point,
40:01
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even call them aspirations for myself. It's a
40:02
Speaker 3: career as well. Like, you have to know... I don't know.
40:07
Speaker 3: That it's just, like... Yeah. When, when you're not 23
40:10
Speaker 3: and you, and you know that you're not going to
40:11
Speaker 3: like maybe be a star for those that are able
40:13
Speaker 3: to be a star immediately props to them. But like
40:16
Speaker 3: for a lot of people, like one, it takes longer
40:19
Speaker 3: and two, you have to put in a lot of
40:20
Speaker 3: work and three, you have to make sure that you're
40:22
Speaker 3: able to like sustain your life alongside that. So being
40:24
Speaker 3: able to like prioritize, yeah, multiple things at once. And like,
40:30
Speaker 3: of course, like go for your dreams all the time,
40:32
Speaker 3: but then also make sure you're prioritizing like who's like,
40:34
Speaker 3: I'm like, go for your dreams if they're worth it
40:41
Speaker 3: and good enough and you're getting at least some form
40:43
Speaker 3: of external validation. I think a lot of people say
40:46
Speaker 3: that like external validation isn't important. I think it is
40:48
Speaker 3: a little bit.
40:49
Speaker 1: It's reading the room.
40:49
Speaker 3: It's like, are we okay here?
40:51
Speaker 4: Yeah.
40:52
Speaker 3: But yeah, also make sure you're prioritizing like the, the
40:54
Speaker 3: job that's, uh, building your foundation or allowing you to
40:58
Speaker 3: go for that is just as important. Totally.
41:00
Speaker 1: If not more at the time, like, I mean, I
41:03
Speaker 1: could say the same for podcasting. I didn't make a
41:05
Speaker 1: dollar for years, years. I was getting validated by people
41:11
Speaker 1: and people in, you know, positions of power and executives
41:16
Speaker 1: and this, that, the other thing. I was getting positive feedback,
41:19
Speaker 1: but I was not making any money.
41:22
Speaker 3: Girl.
41:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
41:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
41:24
Speaker 1: You know.
41:25
Speaker 2: It's going to be a journey. I've only been doing
41:26
Speaker 2: this since March.
41:28
Speaker 4: Zero dollars, but I've had some great feedback from colleagues
41:31
Speaker 4: and friends and other guests who say that they had fun,
41:36
Speaker 4: they might be lying, but I, I'm entering the most
41:39
Speaker 4: oversaturated market and I'm delusional and I'm optimistic and I'm
41:46
Speaker 4: not going to stop.
41:48
Speaker 3: Yeah.
41:48
Speaker 1: You kind of can't.
41:50
Speaker 4: Yeah.
41:50
Speaker 1: Like if you want to see if something's going to
41:52
Speaker 1: be successful, you kind of have to just see it through.
41:56
Speaker 1: At a certain point, If you're floundering and you're flailing
41:59
Speaker 1: in the water, then yeah, you tap out. But you
42:02
Speaker 1: kind of have to give it a lot of time.
42:04
Speaker 1: It's like an endurance game.
42:07
Speaker 3: They say for a lot of creative careers, it's like
42:09
Speaker 3: you literally just have to wait in line at the
42:11
Speaker 3: queue for your turn. And it's not even about how
42:13
Speaker 3: good you are or whatever. It's literally just like, are
42:15
Speaker 3: you patient enough to wait to get to the front?
42:17
Speaker 1: Yeah.
42:18
Speaker 2: That's a good point. So guys, I'll back up a
42:22
Speaker 2: little bit. I'm curious, has there been a very funny
42:25
Speaker 2: moment or.
42:26
Speaker 1: memory or what.
42:29
Speaker 2: Is the funniest thing that has happened?
42:30
Speaker 3: I have one for sure.
42:32
Speaker 2: Since you've been working together.
42:33
Speaker 1: I would just say like, generally speaking, going on tour.
42:37
Speaker 3: I was going to say Boston specifically.
42:41
Speaker 1: Oh my God.
42:42
Speaker 3: I blocked it out. But yeah, tour as a whole was,
42:45
Speaker 3: was a journey. It was an adventure.
42:48
Speaker 1: Okay.
42:49
Speaker 4: Yes.
42:49
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to like re-traumatize you. No, no, no.
42:51
Speaker 1: This was incredible. So we went on tour last summer.
42:55
Speaker 3: Yeah.
42:56
Speaker 1: It feels so long ago. And I knew I was
43:00
Speaker 1: going to try for another baby. I was like, let's
43:03
Speaker 1: do this thing. Okay. So Josh and I pack our
43:05
Speaker 1: bags and head out to tour. Now it should be
43:08
Speaker 1: said that my default setting is in my home with
43:12
Speaker 1: my fireplace, like asleep by eight 30. I am not
43:16
Speaker 1: a show girl. Okay. So for me to go on
43:19
Speaker 1: tour already is very, it's overwhelming, but like We had
43:25
Speaker 1: it pretty dialed. We knew what we were doing. We
43:29
Speaker 1: had the show like formatted. It was great. We were ready.
43:33
Speaker 1: I was ready in theory. We'd go on our, was
43:36
Speaker 1: it our first leg?
43:37
Speaker 3: It was the first leg. It was the last show
43:39
Speaker 3: of the first leg. Okay.
43:41
Speaker 1: It was the first leg of tour and it was
43:43
Speaker 1: like DC and New York and Philly and things were
43:49
Speaker 1: going fairly smoothly.
43:50
Speaker 4: Okay.
43:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
43:51
Speaker 1: So the last show of this leg, the East Coast leg,
43:55
Speaker 1: was in Boston. And simultaneously, my husband, who's in music,
44:02
Speaker 1: two of his artists were playing at Fenway, okay? So
44:06
Speaker 1: Thomas Rhett and Teddy Swims sold out Fenway, okay? The
44:10
Speaker 1: night before was Little Jackie's sad live podcast show, okay?
44:15
Speaker 1: All my friends are there. We're like, let's like dial
44:18
Speaker 1: it in. I remember getting ready for the show and
44:22
Speaker 1: Josh calls me and is like, hey, and I could
44:26
Speaker 1: hear it in his voice. There was some type of
44:30
Speaker 1: a like precautionary warning about the venue. And I think
44:35
Speaker 1: you said something to the degree of like, hey, let
44:38
Speaker 1: me know when you get here. There's a farmer's market
44:43
Speaker 1: happening at the front of the venue. So maybe you'll
44:46
Speaker 1: have them drop you off in the side. And I said, well,
44:51
Speaker 1: what do you mean farmer's market? And then there was
44:53
Speaker 1: something about like alcohol not being there. I could sense
44:57
Speaker 1: it in his voice. And you basically said like this
45:00
Speaker 1: is not the same type of a venue as we've
45:03
Speaker 1: been accustomed to.
45:05
Speaker 3: Because we had great venues up until that point.
45:07
Speaker 1: Theaters.
45:08
Speaker 2: Like venue was this.
45:10
Speaker 3: I don't even remember the name. And probably for.
45:13
Speaker 1: It was like. theater of the art, like Boston. It
45:20
Speaker 1: was not a theater.
45:21
Speaker 3: But like New York, we were in like Gramercy theater,
45:22
Speaker 3: great space, you know, like we had so many great venues.
45:25
Speaker 1: This was a suburban community center with folding chairs, a
45:31
Speaker 1: makeshift bar, and literally a farmer's market happening in the
45:36
Speaker 1: foyer of the venue. before the show they were selling
45:41
Speaker 1: green onions the green onions.
45:42
Speaker 3: Looked gorgeous great yeah it was all great produce.
45:46
Speaker 1: They had we already had issues with this venue because
45:49
Speaker 1: they didn't have a liquor license um so they weren't
45:52
Speaker 1: gonna sell booze and i was like you guys like
45:54
Speaker 1: we're not doing a show without booze so they brought
45:56
Speaker 1: in like a temporary uh liquor license for the night
46:00
Speaker 1: but it was just like a folding table with like
46:01
Speaker 1: waters and like shitty beer and.
46:05
Speaker 3: And you weren't allowed to have any alcohol backstage when
46:07
Speaker 3: you had all of your friends that were there.
46:10
Speaker 1: And not only all of my friends, all of my
46:12
Speaker 1: friends that are primarily in the music industry who are
46:15
Speaker 1: there to go see our friends play Fenway the next night.
46:19
Speaker 1: And now we're coming to my hodgepodge busted... local community
46:24
Speaker 1: center show where I've been like, I'm on tour, we're
46:28
Speaker 1: doing theaters. And it was up until that point, really
46:33
Speaker 1: impressive venues with great crowds and sold out shows. And
46:37
Speaker 1: I was so excited to be like, look at what
46:39
Speaker 1: I've done. And it was the cruelest joke of all time.
46:47
Speaker 1: my green room, there was just rogue filing cabinets and
46:51
Speaker 1: like kids community center art. It was the craziest. And I, they,
46:57
Speaker 1: everyone said to me, my manager was calling me like,
47:00
Speaker 1: don't talk badly about the venue. Like, please don't talk
47:03
Speaker 1: badly about the venue. It's not a good look. Like
47:05
Speaker 1: they've been so accommodating, like just don't burn the house down.
47:09
Speaker 1: And that is not what I was able to do.
47:13
Speaker 1: I was on a pop-up stage. I was there. Remember
47:18
Speaker 1: they brought the lamp out on the folding table for
47:20
Speaker 1: the bar?
47:20
Speaker 4: Yes.
47:21
Speaker 1: People in the audience were just holding green onions and
47:24
Speaker 1: like bulbs of fennel. There was like a manual check-in,
47:28
Speaker 1: like a woman just at a folding table with a chair,
47:30
Speaker 1: like just checking tickets. It was the most... I don't
47:35
Speaker 1: get embarrassed. I was mortified.
47:38
Speaker 3: This is dirt.
47:39
Speaker 4: Mortified.
47:40
Speaker 1: And all my friends in the front just being like,
47:43
Speaker 1: like the pity in their eyes. They were so... And
47:47
Speaker 1: I was so... Remember, we went back to that bar
47:50
Speaker 1: and we just slammed martinis.
47:52
Speaker 3: Oh, and I think took your husband's drink also because.
47:58
Speaker 3: Backstory for the tour in general is that I handled...
48:02
Speaker 3: It was basically this montage of all of Jackie's home videos,
48:07
Speaker 3: which are insane from when she was a child. Music videos.
48:10
Speaker 1: Insane.
48:10
Speaker 3: Full cinematic productions. They are a wig collection you've never seen.
48:17
Speaker 3: They are really, really incredible. So I handled basically all
48:21
Speaker 3: of the creative for that, did all of the promo stuff.
48:23
Speaker 3: So I was already, it was a lot. It was
48:26
Speaker 3: great and it was like a really fun project to do,
48:27
Speaker 3: but it was a lot. Then we get to like,
48:30
Speaker 3: I ended up handling like the tour advancing also because
48:34
Speaker 3: her tour manager was like a little hands off.
48:38
Speaker 1: Yeah. Bless him.
48:39
Speaker 3: But yeah. So I ended up handling a lot of
48:41
Speaker 3: like the advancing. So then ends like a lot of
48:44
Speaker 3: the talks with the venues. And I, at that point
48:47
Speaker 3: I was in over my head a little bit, like
48:49
Speaker 3: obviously like what experience would I have had? Like doing
48:52
Speaker 3: tech specs with like these teams and handling like ticketing
48:56
Speaker 3: and like the VIP flow and all of these different things.
48:59
Speaker 2: Did you know how to do that? Having had no experience?
49:02
Speaker 1: Cause he went to Brown.
49:03
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just kind of went with the flow. I
49:08
Speaker 3: don't know. I figured it out is really all you
49:11
Speaker 3: can do.
49:11
Speaker 2: So impressive.
49:12
Speaker 3: Thank you.
49:12
Speaker 2: People either sink or swim in that.
49:14
Speaker 3: Oh, totally.
49:15
Speaker 4: You know what?
49:16
Speaker 3: I was doing butterflies. like i was swimming like he
49:18
Speaker 3: was swimming because i knew how stressed she already was
49:22
Speaker 3: about it and how much she really did not want
49:24
Speaker 3: to do it so i was just like i have
49:25
Speaker 3: to make it as easy as possible so that she's
49:28
Speaker 3: able to make.
49:29
Speaker 1: It through this he would go early and do the
49:31
Speaker 1: tech rehearsals because i'm like i ain't showing up till
49:34
Speaker 1: i need to show up right Cause I had done
49:36
Speaker 1: a tour before that traumatized me. And I'm like, I'm
49:38
Speaker 1: never going on tour again. And I was out in
49:41
Speaker 1: the wild doing basically what you were doing and broken inside.
49:45
Speaker 1: Like I was doing all the tech stuff I was doing.
49:48
Speaker 1: It was just, it was awful. And it was really unorganized.
49:51
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm never doing this again. And
49:53
Speaker 1: then my condition for this next tour was like, if
49:55
Speaker 1: I'm doing it, this needs to be so dialed, so dialed.
50:00
Speaker 1: Like I need to have And Josh was incredible. I mean,
50:04
Speaker 1: just like the organization of the prompts and outlines and
50:09
Speaker 1: tech rehearsals and lighting cues and music cues and like
50:13
Speaker 1: everything was so handled until Boston. That's when the wheels
50:18
Speaker 1: fell off and it had nothing to do with us.
50:21
Speaker 1: It was them. It was their fault. It was crazy.
50:25
Speaker 2: That is crazy.
50:26
Speaker 4: But how fun that you get to talk about it now.
50:29
Speaker 1: And honestly, it is- Great story. It was the funniest
50:32
Speaker 1: thing in the world. Looking at my friends sitting in
50:34
Speaker 1: those folding chairs, like drinking Miller Lights, just looking around
50:39
Speaker 1: being like, is this what she does all day? This
50:43
Speaker 1: is her tour. My best friend who does massive touring,
50:49
Speaker 1: they know what to do.
50:51
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
50:52
Speaker 1: And I was just like, wow, this is Really humbling.
50:55
Speaker 1: It's a humbling experience. I thought the stage was going
50:58
Speaker 1: to collapse at one point.
51:00
Speaker 3: But it didn't. It held up.
51:01
Speaker 1: It held up.
51:03
Speaker 3: But the craziest part for me. So that was all.
51:05
Speaker 3: I was already a little bit out of my depth.
51:06
Speaker 4: Right.
51:06
Speaker 3: We get to the first show in Philly and. They,
51:10
Speaker 3: all of the venues had told us that they had
51:12
Speaker 3: tech people and they did all have tech people, but
51:13
Speaker 3: not enough to run all of the graphics for a show.
51:16
Speaker 3: So then I end up in the tech booth with
51:18
Speaker 3: like all of the like rugged tech, like tech guys
51:22
Speaker 3: trying to figure out like the, you know, trying to
51:25
Speaker 3: run her PowerPoint presentation. And then I'm queuing the lights
51:27
Speaker 3: and I'm telling like Roger to queue up Enya. Like
51:30
Speaker 3: it's crazy.
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Speaker 4: Crazy.
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Speaker 3: I end up in the tech booths for a lot
51:33
Speaker 3: of the show. Boston is, I'm looking directly into this camera.
51:38
Speaker 3: Boston had a completely different like system in general, like
51:45
Speaker 3: software system in general for the programming. So literally as
51:50
Speaker 3: Jackie's backstage freaking out about the crazy venue, which it
51:52
Speaker 3: was a crazy venue in the leaks, I was like
51:55
Speaker 3: in the tech booth learning an entirely new software to
51:59
Speaker 3: run the show online. 30 minutes before the show starts.
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Speaker 1: With all my friends and family coming into the audience. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: Crazy.
52:07
Speaker 3: I was losing my mind.
52:09
Speaker 1: And he held it together. Like I didn't know that
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Speaker 1: until after. I didn't tell her.
52:14
Speaker 2: That's important.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
52:15
Speaker 2: Not telling her and holding it together.
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Speaker 4: No.
52:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
52:17
Speaker 1: Totally. Which is something you cannot teach people. Like just
52:20
Speaker 1: to like, just hold it in. We could talk about
52:23
Speaker 1: it after, but to not like, let the chaos internally
52:27
Speaker 1: become contagious. You know what I mean? Because if he
52:30
Speaker 1: would have told me that before... You would have freaked out.
52:32
Speaker 1: I would have been like, wait, then it would have
52:34
Speaker 1: just been a total disaster. Because then I would be
52:38
Speaker 1: thinking about that and not what I needed to do.
52:41
Speaker 1: Like it was very, it was handled... Beautifully.
52:44
Speaker 3: Thank you.
52:45
Speaker 1: And then until we got back to the hotel and
52:47
Speaker 1: started slamming cocktails, I had no idea.
52:49
Speaker 3: We drank a lot.
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Speaker 1: We did. I never go back and like have drinks.
52:55
Speaker 1: I rolled up to the, what was it? Contessa at
52:58
Speaker 1: the Newberry in Boston. I was wearing slippers and sheer
53:01
Speaker 1: pants and a robe. Just slugging martinis. I was like,
53:05
Speaker 1: I need to go comatose tonight.
53:07
Speaker 3: It was a fun night. Oh my God.
53:08
Speaker 2: What a bonding experience. That is an amazing story.
53:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. It was great.
53:13
Speaker 3: Oh my God.
53:14
Speaker 2: Well, to close out guys, I'll start with Jackie.
53:17
Speaker 4: What advice would you give someone who is looking to
53:19
Speaker 4: make it in entertainment or just their first job out
53:22
Speaker 4: of college?
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Speaker 1: I think that one thing that is so overlooked and
53:29
Speaker 1: underutilized is just not even like basic people skills, but
53:34
Speaker 1: people don't talk about just being likable enough because if
53:37
Speaker 1: you're a likable person, you will go farther than even
53:42
Speaker 1: the most skilled, the most equipped, capable, whatever that is.
53:48
Speaker 1: There is something to be said for being in a
53:51
Speaker 1: room and not that you need to like alter yourself
53:54
Speaker 1: or your behavior to like accommodate anybody, but there is
53:58
Speaker 1: a likability factor where people want to help you, to
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Speaker 1: employ you, to advance you for just being a cool hang.
54:08
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like not, not in the
54:10
Speaker 1: pursuit of like pushing the personality higher thing, but it's
54:16
Speaker 1: something that you cannot teach people. It's a level of self-awareness.
54:20
Speaker 1: It's about reading people's energies. It's about existing in a space,
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Speaker 1: not cow tailing or anything, but just Just knowing how
54:28
Speaker 1: to flow with humans that you cannot learn and is
54:33
Speaker 1: an invaluable asset in whatever you want to do. If
54:37
Speaker 1: you can just hang and be and not be fucking annoying...
54:45
Speaker 1: Learn how to do that because it's really rare, honestly.
54:48
Speaker 1: We don't talk about it enough.
54:49
Speaker 3: I agree.
54:50
Speaker 1: Like that is, that to me is the greatest asset.
54:54
Speaker 1: Like just knowing how to like move and groove with
54:57
Speaker 1: people of all different walks of life. Like that is,
55:01
Speaker 1: to me, like the most important aspect of being successful.
55:08
Speaker 1: So if you're annoying, good luck.
55:13
Speaker 3: Josh? Mine's, I mean, I think mine is super similar
55:17
Speaker 3: because like, I think when, like everyone who's applying for
55:22
Speaker 3: assistance jobs, like knows generally what you need to be.
55:24
Speaker 3: You need to be adaptable. You need to be a
55:26
Speaker 3: good communicator. You have to be very type A and organized,
55:28
Speaker 3: all of those kinds of things. But I think like
55:30
Speaker 3: the most important thing about this type of job is
55:32
Speaker 3: understanding that it is like more of a personal relationship
55:35
Speaker 3: than any other job. kind of job that you'll have
55:38
Speaker 3: probably like your boss is talking to you more than
55:41
Speaker 3: they talk to a lot of their friends probably you
55:43
Speaker 3: know like you end up learning so much about this
55:46
Speaker 3: person's life and just by nature of the work like
55:49
Speaker 3: I you know it's like I know Jackie's entire extended
55:51
Speaker 3: family I like know her husband know her dog know
55:53
Speaker 3: her have hung out with their baby like all of
55:54
Speaker 3: the things I have all of her passwords you know
55:56
Speaker 3: like and so I think like really knowing how to
56:02
Speaker 3: like build and respect that personal relationship is by far
56:05
Speaker 3: the most important thing and you know, again, when you're
56:09
Speaker 3: 22 beggars can't be choosers and like, don't push this
56:12
Speaker 3: too far. But I also think like, as someone looking
56:14
Speaker 3: for a job, make sure that you like the person
56:16
Speaker 3: that you're applying for. Because like, no matter how good
56:20
Speaker 3: you are at the tasks, like if you can't connect
56:22
Speaker 3: with them and if you don't like connecting them or
56:25
Speaker 3: connecting with them, like you're going to be miserable. You're
56:27
Speaker 3: going to hate it and you're not going to be
56:29
Speaker 3: good at it.
56:29
Speaker 4: No.
56:30
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
56:31
Speaker 3: That's so true.
56:31
Speaker 2: I've said it a hundred times. It's like dating.
56:33
Speaker 4: It's the most intimate relationship you will have in your
56:35
Speaker 4: professional career. And when some candidates ask, why isn't this
56:39
Speaker 4: a fit? It's because I try to match people up
56:42
Speaker 4: like they were entering a relationship. You have to be
56:45
Speaker 4: compatible on so many different levels.
56:47
Speaker 3: It's not just.
56:47
Speaker 2: About your resume.
56:48
Speaker 4: It's about, okay, can Jackie and Josh be in a
56:51
Speaker 4: car to the airport together at seven in the morning
56:53
Speaker 4: and Josh has social cues to not.
56:57
Speaker 1: Be- Or in the car with my dad for four
56:59
Speaker 1: and a half hours.
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Speaker 3: We did that in Florida.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
57:02
Speaker 1: There's just so many things.
57:04
Speaker 2: And Josh.
57:06
Speaker 1: Four and a half hours.
57:07
Speaker 3: I learned a lot about Florida real estate.
57:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
57:10
Speaker 2: But it's just, that's a hard seat to fill. Yes.
57:16
Speaker 1: Totally.
57:17
Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much. This was really fun.
57:19
Speaker 4: Thank you.
57:20
Speaker 2: I love successful Clyde stories.
57:23
Speaker 4: Yay.
57:23
Speaker 2: Oh my God, we are.
57:25
Speaker 3: Thank you for bringing us together. Of course.
57:28
Speaker 1: Oh my God, that's so cute. How cute are we?
57:31
Speaker 3: So cute. Love that.
57:32
Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much.
57:33
Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: See you guys. Thanks for tuning in.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.